X-Men '97: Season 1

We discuss the first season of 'X-Men '97'


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Episode Transcript

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Macca. I have news. Ihave horrible news. Really, an Indiana
judge has ended a year long debatebetween a restaurant door and the country Commission
that ultimately ruled tacos and burritos areMexican style sandwiches. So tacos I agree

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on. I think a taco iskind of a style of a sandwich,
as weird as that is to wrapyour mind around. Burritos are a little
different because for the most part it'swell, I guess it could be an
open ended burrito too, But ifyou're thinking two ends much like a wrap,
that's not really a sandwich because ifyou call that a sandwich, then
a cal zone's a sandwich. Anddo you want to start talking calzoni's as

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Sammy's. I don't know. Yeah, that's a slippery slope. I believe
the true definition of a sandwich ismeet between bread, So that could be
a taco. That could also bea burrito. If it's an open face
like a slice of pizza, that'snot an open face sandwich, is it.
I will say, though, onthe topic of calzonies, as samis,

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my favorite types of calzones are thosethat hey man, what are your
favorite types of calzones. They're theones that are basically hot submarines. I
like a steak and cheese calzone.I like that you can parm cowson like
a meatball calzone. That's how Iutilize calzones as hot sandwiches. Buffalo chicken
calzone, spinach and cheese. Messymy mom shout out. Paula makes an

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amazing cold cut calzone. But it'sheated cold cuts. Yeah, so it's
not cold anymore. It's hot cuts. It's a hot cut sandwich. But
a calzone hot cut calzone. We'rejust defined a calsone as a sandwich.
So one good three yeah, gasthree, King of Queen Middle Street,

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Enter time, Goo and I amMac and we bring you found family.
We bring you a big old Pilacome because that's what this latest episode,
these final three episodes did from thisshow. Goo, I was gonna just

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ask what the percentage of episodes wasthat made you go four. I'd say
four out of ten, so fortypercent. I said, percentage forty percent
come rate for this show. Iwould have to look at I mean,
it's definitely forty percent, but itmight be a smidge higher. I mean
episode one and we'll get into ita second. It's X Men ninety seven.
But episode one, like teased itfeathered you up, got you fluffed.

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I got fluffed in probably eight ofthe ten episodes, don't get me
wrong. What's the what's the fluffpercentage on this show? It was eighty
percent fluff or nutter. I hada couple episodes I didn't care for,
but overall hot, high percentage offluff. Mac, what are we talking
about GOO? Today? We arediscussing X Men ninety seven. This is

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a TV fourteen television program, anaction adventure of fantasy in sci fi.
This had ten episodes of a totalruntime of about four hours and twenty nine
minutes. That works out to beabout twenty seven minutes per episode, which
I thought was was a good length. Yes, it was a little bit
longer than your standard like twenty twominutes, but not up to your forty

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forty five minute episode length. AndI believe the longest episode was the finale
of thirty five minutes on Roddy Tea'sGood Right Now. Ninety eight percent from
the critics, ninety five percent fromthe audience. If you'd like to compare
that to the OG animated US.It ran from ninety two to ninety seven.
That had eighty two percent from thecritics ninety one percent from the audience.

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So naria critic has disliked this,I would say I understand and why
the original was at eighty two percent, four percent of the audience liking this
show a little bit more. Ifeel like, if you liked that show,
you definitely gonna like this show.So that's like an automatic ninety one
percent crossover, and then you mightrope in some more. I think that
this one, being a little moreadult, would get it over that next

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threshold from like an A minus toan A or a B plus to an
A. Yeah, it definitely is. And that's a good point too.
It's not really a kids show.It's TV fourteen. It's it's that's not
an issue too, because for thelast fifteen years it has been this like
move towards adult animation and adult orientedcartoons. But this show did start as

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a kids show, so that isa little bit of well, that's it.
Yeah, it was created, theshow was at least obviously there were
comic books before. It was aSaturday morning cartoon show that was meant to
sell toys and it did. Yeah, Like, I don't know if this
show is suitable for like a sevenyear old kid, whereas the original definitely
was. I showed the first episodeto my three year old son. He

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wasn't interested, and by episode maybefour, I was like, probably good
that he doesn't like this show.Again, I'm not complaining that's suitable.
No, no, but I thinksome some parents or some people might be.
This show did what losers like meand you want from other properties,
and that is to have what weloved as a kid grow up with us.

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Yeah, grow to its final form, for sure, No, but
just like it like as we arenow adults now make it for adults exactly.
And that's sort of like when whenthis original show came out in nineteen
ninety two, there was no realproof of concept for legitimate comic book stories
in overall comic book universes. Therewas nothing really there. So in that

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meantime, in the thirty years sinceor thirty what are we at thirty five
years since, I don't know,in the century since, obviously that has
been proven right, and so nowthey're able to dump the budget into this
that it that it necessitates, andalso of course, what we'll get to
in a bit how much the animationhas improved improved on That would be the
other part of it too, isthat the animation in this is just in

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a completely other ballpark than what theoriginal show was. Yeah, at some
points the original show looked like itwas drawn by a blind man. Was
especially the last couple of seasons whenthey they said the budget's gone, you
have to use the final images.It was like different animation than all the

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other seasons. It is bizarre,it's ugly. Go on Metacritic, this
has an eighty two. The ogdoesn't even even qualify, not enough ratings
on there, so this is outthere. As you know, when we
rate movies, go eighty plus ispretty spectacular. So getting this for cartoon
is obviously quite a strong rating.Go yes this show, And this is

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an interesting discussion to have about thecreator of this show, created by Bo
Demeyo. He was fired like twoweeks before the premiere episode, and we
still don't have a reason why we'regonna praise this man a lot today.
If it comes out he's a reallybad guy, nothing we can do about
it. If it comes out thathe is the worst person ever what we

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said today, it doesn't count.I still listen to the Ignition remix,
so that tells you all you needto know about me. It might be
the best song of all time.Though he was also consulted on the Armor
Wars story in script. I stilldon't know if that show movie is gonna
come out, but that's an ArmourWar story that's not coming out. And

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he was also an executive producer onthis show, along with Kevin Faige,
Louis Desposito, who has been likeon a ton of Marvel stuff, and
in Victoria Alonso. This show waswritten by bau DeMeo on eight episodes.
We would know him from not muchbefore this Sku. He did a couple
episodes of that Newer Star Trek showlive action show, two episodes of The

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Witcher, he did an animated animatedWitcher movie, and he did one of
the Moonnight episodes. So really nota big resume leading into this and did
Moight episode? Was it the goodone? It didn't. I didn't do
that much restary because there was onereally really good Moonnight episode. But I'll
say this, gu if it turnsout he is a kind fellow, He's
gonna be getting whatever he wants goingforward, because this show is of that

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quality and if it turns on hissa piece of shit, he has what's
coming to him. Do just dothis the entire podcast? Yeah, well
did two versions of this podcast.I'm gonna splice two different episodes and when
we find out what happens, I'mgoing to release the proper one. Uh.
The other writers on this season,Goo, Charlie Feldman did four episodes.

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You would know her from Fraggle RockBack to the Rocks. She did
five episodes of that. I knowyou're a big fraggle Rock guy, I'm
not. She was also a supervisingproducer on this show. Anthony Salidi gu
he got credited on three episodes.Those three episodes you ask the three taller
is an extinction episode, So clearlyhe was someone they sought out to give

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us that three part season finale.Yeah he is. He is a fella
that steps to the plate three timesand hits three grand slams. He's almost
Fernando Tatis senior. And then oneone final writing credit here was to JB.
Ballad on one episode. This wasthe Bright Eyes episode. That's the
unhinged rogue up in there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why it

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was just one episode for this person, but it was. He was also
a writer's room assistant on Moonnight,so a little bit of a connection there.
And of course, all of thesecharacters were created by stan Lee and
Jack Kirby, so credit to themas well. And a writing note here,
I can assure the folks at homethat season two was definitely written before

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this season ever came out. Yeah, which is a good thing. I
don't know how much more than seasontwo they have written, especially with Tomeo
now not in the picture, soit seems like season two and season one
are really going to be much ofthe same story arc and that that makes
sense because I guess a small spoilerhere, there's not much finality to the
end of this season. No,and if you think that maybe the storylines

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might have been rushed to get everythinginto ten episodes, I'm completely fine with
that because it was ten action packedepisodes. Yeah, they caught out the
fluff. I very much enjoyed thethe number of episodes and the content,
like four and a half hours isessentially like two good movies, so I'm
perfectly happy with that. And tonote that the writing of season two is

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already done. That means we won'tbe in an Invincible type of situation where
you get two three years off andthen you kind of lose interest. So
well, the animation still ast likethey you know, they aren't gonna do
it loud. No, I know, but I don't think great stress on
the ANIMI I think they had todo it all after Invincible season one because
they weren't sure if that was gonnahit or not, which seems dumb in
retrospect. Goose synopsis. A bandof mutants use their uncanny gifts to protect

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a world that hates and fears them. They're challenged like never before, forced
to face a dangerous and unexpected newfuture. You would think in a world
where there are other superheroes, thesemutants would just be accepted. Yeah,
it's really interesting to see that.Like Iron Man and Captain America are just
chilling with the president and the restof these guys are like, well,

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you know what it is, andthey kind of tease this towards the end.
We're gonna spoiler free at the beginningis that you, as a human
being, could give birth to amutant, and that is something that some
humans did not want to deal with, so they want to get rid of
the mutant race to then not havethat issue anymore. Yeah, and a
lot of this is allegorical as itwas from the original series. As the

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original trilogy of movies gets into itdeals a lot with essentially LGBTQ stuff in
the fifties and sixties are a lotof what's echoed in these comic books,
and that's really what a lot ofthese themes are. Yeah, dude,
this show stars Now again, theseare all voice actors, So it's tough
personally for me to like, Ican evaluate an actor on screen because I

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can see what they're doing. Avoice actor, you can't really see what
they're doing. You don't know what. But I also love to see them
behind the scenes doing their thing,Like I wilvered that was me. He
doesn't say that once, I swearguys good. We did get five returning
voice actors technically six, but adifferent character. So these five returning where
George Buza as Beast, no issuesthere, no, But also if you

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look him up on Google, heis exactly what you think he looks like.
Cal Dodd returns his Wolverine up anddown up and down through the season.
I fell back in love with itby the end, or not fell
back, but like I was,I was in with it by the end.
Leonor Zan, who was the originalRogue read not read whatever. She's

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back his Rogue. Probably my secondleast favorite voice, but from episode five
on I was back on board.Not me. I did not care for
this voice. If there wasn't forthe one glaring bad one, I think
she would have been the worst.Chris Britten is back as mister Sinister.
Obviously they're modulating that voice, butI love that voice. It's a great

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voice. Adrian Hoe Huff h oU g h is back as Night Cruller.
He was only in like a handfulepisodes in the original series, so
it was good to get him onboard. German Speed German then go a
whole bunch of new voice actors here. Holly Chew as Jubilee, No issue
with her, Ray Chase as Cyclops, no issue with him. Jennifer Hales

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is Gene Gray slash Madeline Pryor.I didn't have any issues with her,
but it was noticeably different, muchdifferent voice than what she had in the
original series. Matthew Waterson as Magnetotremendous job, and I thought, not
only is he the best character,it's a great voice. The original voice
actors were not very good for magnetespecially the first guy who was doing that

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sort of German accent type of thing. Alison Ceily Smith as Storm. She
was there in the original series likehalfway through, so she did some Storm.
JP Carliac as Morph. This wasoriginally Ron Rubin. I just got
to say, what a great decisionfor the direction of More for this series.
Great a nice little swerve compared towhat he was before. Ross Markwand

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as Professor X and Gil I'll tellyou what if do we need a new
addition to the decagon. His voicewas bad. It didn't fit the character.
And I think you could argue theoriginal Professor X was the best voice
from that original series. So Idon't know what went wrong here. I
don't know how he ended up withthe gig, but his voice is distracting,

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as could they not sign someone witha deeper voice that could pull you
into the character. I found thisvoice too. Anytime that he spoke,
I'm like, that's not Professor X. Yeah, it just did not fit
Professor X at all. I didnot like it. It takes you out
of the episode often when when he'sspeaking with especially the ones that were like

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so focused on him, or evenif it's him and a Magneto story and
you're so into the into the Magnetopart of the story and then he speaks
and you just say, who areyou? You? Bald fuck. Gil
Birmingham as Forge had no issues withthat one. Now. Aj Locasio as
Gambit I thought was great and actuallyreally felt like a Cajun type of character.

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The two original voice actors there,Chris Potter and Tony Daniels, were
good, but I really like thisnew guy. Speaking of Chris Potter,
they brought him back not as Gambitbut his cable. I like that,
which is pretty cool. Isaac RobinsonSmith as Bishop. He also voices King
Kataka. Don't spoil the cameo.Oh we already did spoil a couple of
cameos. We're bad at. Yes, it's just a it's a cameo that

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I know. But also, hey, guys, if you w full cameo
Easter Eggs, whatever it is,we're not the people that you want.
Yeah, we're gonna get to thata bit too. King Tachaka is in
this series for all of seven seconds, so don't worry about it. And
then last couple here, Guy Augustinias Roberto DaCosta aka Sunspot pretty good.
Theo James as Bastion gu tremendou great, great voice acting, and he also

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I believe is Australian originally, He'seither British or Australian. So him doing
this like really strong England or astrong American accent as Bashan was just a
really really nice, nicely done.And then we had a fellow named Josh
keat was Captain America for a coupleepisodes. And then how about this name
gou Well, I guess that's probablya spoiling Yeah, save that for after,

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Save that one for after. Alright, alright, so I'm thinking that
we are going to do mostly spoilertalk, So should we just get into
the octagon right now? Through thedecade gone? How many legs are on
this? So, bitch, Ithink I'm fine with that. Okay,
we have an awful lot to getto. So first up here is fun
factor, and I believe that everyepisode outside of maybe one gave you something

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super fun, like a battle,a use of powers, some teamwork and
this is just a fun show.But it's a heavy show. But the
fun is what they do with theanimation. I think. Yeah, I
had a lot of fun with thefight sequences and the usage of powers.
That's always gonna be really fun forme. I do wish there was a

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little bit more comedy or a littlebit more camp and I don't ask for
that too often, but there needsto be a little bit more campiness with
the X Men. Morph was likethe only person that provided a little bit
of humor. We needed a littlebit more of it. Satisfactor and I
am wildly satisfied just hearing the themesong. Every episode checks off the satisfactor

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meter there. Oh and also speakingof the theme song, it was an
evolving character along with the show,with previously on being who the main character
of the episode was. The charactersfeatured as the as the main players of
the show changed every single sequence,the cut scenes between the characters changed every

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single time. It was like watchingGame of Thrones. Yeah, this show
is very satisfying to me. Itwas more satisfying than it was fun.
Borometer and while there were some episodesthat didn't necessarily pull me in, like
some other ones. I don't thinkI was bored. I was bored in

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one episode. Just in general.The Forge Storms Storm stuff just did I
didn't care about. And actually beyondthat now it plays up later on.
I really didn't care for the RoganMagneto stuff, although it does end up
meeting a ton the episode where Jubileeand sun Spot going on the video game
and then it culminates in the uhforge Storm stuff. Couldn't care about that

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episode. That was. That wasa tough watch for me. It was
it was. It was not great, and that was like the exact type
of thing you were hoping to get, some like campy fun, and there
really wasn't a lot of it.I was just about to call you out
for being a fraud, being beinga hypocrite where you just say that you
wanted can't be fun and the videogame stuff was can't be fun. No,

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it was a good reference. Ijust don't think they did it well.
I think also the Xavier stuff inSpace early on wasn't great either,
So there there are some misfires herein the first like four episodes. But
obviously the Xavier stuff, I don'tknow how much of a spoilers, but
that was also episode six, sothat wasn't like the first four episode.

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Well, when they come back toit, but they he does pop up,
I think, no, he doesn'tpop up until six. Oh,
all right, fair enough. Buteither way, unless they pay off on
that storyline, that might be oneof the throwaway things from the season.
Seems wasted, right, yeah,but they might get back to it.
We don't know. Awquater, isthis better or worse than Aquaman from twenty

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seventeen? Get that corner out ofmy face? It is better. Mac.
When life gives you plemings, youmake plemonade. And who do you
think stood out from this show beyondthe people that we he expected to stand
out in this show? Well,I guess I expect night Crawlers stand out
when he comes on. But theoriginal series had a severe lack of Nightcrawler,

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and this Nightcrawler we get being likethe energetic maybe eighteen twenty two.
You don't really know how old heis, but every time he's on screen,
he's doing something really fucking awesome.So I loved every time Nightcrawler was
on screen. I would say thecharacter of Morph, because they completely changed
it from what it was in thenineties show. Not only was he sassy,

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fun, his powers were a greatevery time that he used them.
Just the references to other X Menor superheroes from this universe and then using
their powers great. Yeah, totallyagree. I would say Magneto was the
best character from the season. Morphmight have been my favorite. We just
adapted. We just grab this onefrom the last movie of you did.

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Yeah, So, like, wasthere any monkey business on this show?
I think we get rid of this. I think we dumped this one.
I just thought of this off thetop of my head. Mac. Who
was the X factor on this show? Is Beast of Monkeys, Nightcrawler and
Monkey couple couple of monkey type thingsin there, Triangle Face Monkeys. I'm
not going to answer this X factorquestion. Why it's X Men. Who's

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the X factor of the X Men? Leona Lewis, Leona Lewis, Who's
that she won? X Factor?Keep pleading, keep keep pleaded, love
shout out, Well, I mighthave a two thousand and seven, two
thousand and six, Mac, youdeserve so much credit, and you know
who else does unless he doesn't whenwe find out what he did. But
uh bo Demeyo, I was alittle bit more broad with the credit assignment,

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but it's it's probably the Mao andthe writing room in general here for
turning the bad guy Magneto into byfar the most interesting character on the show.
And I think the journey that Magnetogoes on during the season is why
the season is so great. He'sjust like, easily the best character on
the show right now. I mean, also, you just need to look

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at who was dealing with this showthis, you know, bringing back a
show from twenty something years ago.Who was in charge of making sure that
this was handled so delicately and withlove so that when you brought it back
it didn't feel like a zombiefie versionof what it was, right, And

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I think that credit has to beassigned to bo to Mayo for sure,
because obviously we've had so many showsbrought back, so many animated shows brought
back, and you're like, thisdoesn't really feel like the original show.
Yeah, for sure. It itfeels like a parody in some respects of
the original show. And that's whyI'll we'll get to this question at the
end, but I still want totread lightly when we're doing adaptations like that.

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Agreed and I almost I don't needthirty more of them. I almost
don't even need any I say,let's let's either find some new stuff or
just let Bo de Mayo unless hedid something bad, handle some other stuff
too. Pants ten City, excite, bike mania. What from this show
got you going? And for meMac just a very simple anytime the X

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Men teamed up to pull off anattack, fucking great. H There are
a plethora of half chubbs throughout theseason, and some notable ones Gene versus
Madeline. I think just the Madelineprior character design alone is a pants tent
rogue completely unhinged. Later on inthe season, the reveal we get surrounding

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the enemy or enemies was pretty good. The full pants ten skew I would
say at least three so maybe notfour, maybe thirty percent of the season,
thirty percent of the episodes. Thesacrifice that Gambit makes in the middle
of this season, yes, abit of a spoiler, but it happens
halfway through the season, So growup. That sacrifice and what we see

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him like this show tells you todo. Grow up. It's fucking amazing,
incredible, something we had never seenGambit do before. Maybe something we
all wondered if he was capable ofdoing. And then Goo. There are
two things that Magneto does in theepisode seven and episode no Episode eight and
episode nine that were fucking amazing thatI'll save because I think those are really

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really cool experiences. But basically everythingMagneto does in the final three episodes is
a pants ten. For those ofyou tardi to the Mac and Goo party.
We rate everything on a forty hotdog rating scale, and Mac from
tip starting with the theme song everysingle episode to tail where we are left

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off at the end of the season. There is no wasted time. This
is just a tight, tight storywith animation that has finally caught up to
its storytelling and shows off all themutant's powers, the arcs of all the
mutants, all the characters, theyall matter. Everything felt meaningful and had

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a purpose. Magnetos story best ofthe bunch. I cannot argue with you
on that, and really is becauseyou need him for that sad grounding and
him who you know. Obviously,in the original show they couldn't really mention
the Holocaust that was a huge focusof this and using that for Magneto as

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his character here, I was movedemotionally several times. Did I cry.
I might have cried once. Oh, I'll explain after Okay, anything father's
son, I get a little bigold pussback. Now as a father,
you wouldn't understand. The only bitof voice acting that I truly despised was

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Professor X there or some other passableones or ones that I just accepted by
the end. And there was abit of convenience to a part of the
final episode that we'll get to ina second that I thought I kind of
took away and it was just thereto keep things moving. But I cannot

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wait for season two. It's mymoney and I need it now. Mac.
I have this at forty hot Dogs. Wow full forty hot Dogs.
This is the best Marvel show.It's captivating, It was week to week,
much like the WandaVision stuff, muchlike Loki. I would take this
over both of them. This isthe best X Men anything outside of Logan

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to me, I will hear anargument for first class, And speaking of
stuff from the MCU, I wouldhave this anywhere from four to seven.
If I'm ranking it up against thosemovies, well, the good thing Goo
is my first point here. Ireally liked that they kept it separate from
the MCU. It's not a partof the MCU. I agree completely,

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And I think what they also needto look at in this show is that
you can do stuff not just inthat time, right. And I think
we all had this thought even inthe front of our heads, not even
the back of our heads. Herewith Deadpool and Wolverine on the horizon here,
we almost suspected a connection coming betweenthis show and that movie, or

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this show and the MCU. Wedidn't get it. I'm happy we didn't.
I'm happy it's its own thing.Reportedly, Deadpool was off limits,
so they just want to keep thisseparate from what they're doing in the MCU.
I think it just really worked outthat way, Dude. To echo
some of the points you've made,you can tell that this show was made
by people who grew up watching theoriginal, fell in love with these characters,

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and then became like a one dorks. They dove into the comic books.
They know anything and everything about thesecharacters, and I mean that in
the best way. I also reallyreally enjoyed that they cut out most of
the fluff. Maybe you could havedone an eight episode season that would have
been great, but ten episode seasonswas awesome. If this was like a
twenty episode season sixteen eighteen, therewould have been too much fluff in there.

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So keeping it succinct puts it onpar with some of the better Marvel
stuff we've ever seen. Those dorkbrains out there, combined with the strides
and animation over the last twenty fivethirty years, gave us the show that
these characters finally deserved. We getsome real character building finally too, because
that, like as fun as theoriginal show is, it really lacks some

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character building outside of a couple ofcharacters. Now, this season really only
builds two or three, but it'sgoing down that road where each character seemingly
is gonna be something we've bought intoand therefore what happens on screen is more
emotional for us. So I reallyreally liked that. I do think the
emotional high of the season was thatsmack dab middle of the season gambit stuff,

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so that hurts the end of theseason a little bit, being that
the end of the season is sortof not an end and the highest emotional
point was five episodes before, sohurts it a little bit. I also
really don't like a couple of thevoices, and in general I was just
fine with most of them, onlyloved a couple of them, fine with
most, hated a couple. SoI don't know. Maybe they should have

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recasted all of it, because someof the older people do sound old.
Yes, redoing the characters they've donefrom twenty years ago, but I guess
you gotta afford them the opportunity.Again, I thought the Storm storyline with
Forge and her losing her powers wasa bit underwhelming. It sort of just
seemed like an excuse to get herout of the main story for a few
episodes, so I didn't care forthat. Again, didn't care for much

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of the rogue Magneto stuff. Sorryto stop you right there. I think
that that might have been to helpbuild Gene up by the end as well.
So like losing Storm, I thinkhelped Gene. But go ahead,
yeah, yeah, no that yeah, you're probably right about that. That's
a good point. Again, Ineeded a little bit more camp be fun,
a little more laughs, not aton. I just needed it spotted
in there a little bit more,because every time more equipped it was hysterical.

(29:45):
It was one of the best momentsof each episode. Mac wanted Bozo
the Cloud to join the X Men. I just needed a little bit more
of that, a little bit morethat's all, so a little more fun,
a little less fluff in the middle, a bit more of a infinitive
ending instead of like an open endedthing here, and this would have been
forty Dogs as is. I thinkit does a great job setting up the

(30:08):
next season, next two seasons.And I think like coming into this,
let's say, would I would havebeen expecting like thirty two dogs, thirty
four dogs on par with the originalseries. I don't know where it's really
gonna go. This was so goodthat that's now raised the bar like I'm
expecting because of this season forty Dogsstuff from the next couple of seasons.

(30:30):
This season, though, I thinkit was flawed. I don't know if
they could have done it any better, except for maybe a couple of things.
But I got it, like thirtyseven to thirty eight hot Dogs.
I could be top down. It'sjust there was too many things I didn't
like for it to be forty Dogs. Now, the greatness outweighs of things
I didn't like. But again,that's why it's at thirty eight hot dogs,
So I like, I'm looking atit a bit. How I view

(30:52):
the first Spider Verse movie blew myexpectations out of the water. It's forever
up the expectations going forward in thatuniverse, and it's building out our characters
and provides like a perfect jumping offpoint, like as a leadoff hitter.
It was incredible. But maybe it'snot our two or three hitter. So
we're going into different storylines, goingto be introducing some more characters. I

(31:14):
think the potential going forward is likeit should be forty dogs going forward.
Does this have to do with yourprejudice against animation. Yeah, that's like
always a thing with me and animationfor sure. But I also I also
I think I'm not you are tooeasily pleased. So that's so we're back

(31:34):
and forth on this attack me,so you're too easily pleased. And then
I have a thing with animation.So like if this was live action,
it might have been fifty five dogs, you know, like we would have
stopped the podcast. If this waslive action and we got this exact same
thing, we would have stopped thepodcast. There is a disconnect with me

(31:55):
and animated characters. But when youdo it as well as you do it
in spite of or what you dowith Magneto. Here, I'm able to
buy in. But then when youhave characters like Xavier taking you out of
that fake realcity, I agree,it's hard to get back into it.
Yeah, so that's again. Imy complaints are mostly nitpicks. They're not
things that lampoon in the season,but they are things that don't make it

(32:19):
a forty dogger for me. Fortyhot dogs. Guys, Head over to
x Instagram. Are you still onFacebook? Go to LinkedIn and just tell
the world how many hot dogs XMen ninety deserves. Here's here's a good,
good example. I think the lastfour episodes are forty dog episodes.

(32:39):
The six leading up to it theremight have been one or two forty Can
we spoil rests for like thirty fourto thirty six? Pro should we spoil
real quick? Yeah? Filer spoilers, spoilers. So you mentioned not liking
episode four with the video game stuff, but by the end of the season,
Jubilee needs that growth slash, thepowers that she learns from the older

(33:00):
Jubilee. She she doesn't use those, Yes, she does, she uses
those. She uses her ring lightto cut Bastion's wings and then she explodes
his face with just extra strong fireworks. No, she learns how to use
it now. Oh sure, sure? Uh that you want? You want
that motendo episode Slash Life Death PartLife Death Part one was not only the

(33:23):
shortest episode of the season, itwas the worst episode of the season.
I liked it. That's why.That's why they put two ideas in there
together. We're like, I don'twe don't really know where these things go
here. Here you go. Ididn't care for that episode, and I
forget I'm getting them all mismatched together. Yeah. I kind of had to
fix your notes earlier. You hadthings happening all over the place. I'm
like, that didn't happen in thisepisode. I don't think that's right.

(33:45):
No, I did. I didn'tfix a couple. My notes were good.
My mind is bad. No,No, your episode notes at the
end. I had to move somestuff around wrong, I did. There
was another episode that I that wasin the first four that I thought that
was in the first ten. Iget it. Yeah, they're all but
again the last four episodes of fortyDogs stuff. Yeah. Sure. Once

(34:07):
once Gambit is dead, the showis amazing. I know, but you
can't judge a season if there's likeone episode that's like, eh, I
get thirty eight hot dougs. No, you gave it twenty I heard you.
You hate this show. Forty percentof the season was forty hot dogs,
maybe fifty percent. Even that doesn'tmean the whole thing is forty hot

(34:27):
dougs. Why are you attacking meright now? I'm agreeing with you.
I like the show good in thefinale, Yes, we'll get to all
the things that happened throughout the finale. Let's get to where the characters end
up first and foremost, So Magnetosaves the world, goes from villain a
hero once again, and then idea. So Magneto first off, throughout this
season, he saves the world kindof like by by r O villain,

(34:53):
no but bullin by you know,showing in court that he's not that bad
of a guy. He you know, bought them some time. Then Genosha
happens. He's dead, right,then he's brought back from the dead.
Then he is, he stops theworld. He fucking uh, he demagnetizes
the world, and then he isonce again a villain, where they have

(35:15):
to torpedo his asteroid and then he'sonce again the euro What a journey him.
Obviously, the standout moment during theseason was him ripping the adamantium from
Wolverine's bones. That was fucking credible. There's a couple stand out like,
so not only there was that,sure I was gonna get to the second
one just off of that. Itdoesn't look as cool, but the idea

(35:37):
that Magneto can basically just kill Earthby floating to one of the poles and
turning off the magnetism of the planet, yeah, is incredible. That's terrifying.
Well I was so There's that himpulling the judges and politicians into pretty
much space to yell at them.That was an amazing scene. Him speaking
German to that dying child. Thatwas an amazing insane dude, there's we

(36:00):
could do a top ten let's justbe fucking watch Mojo. Let's do top
ten Magneto moments from the season.Good. Yes, they get poofed off
into god knows where and we're like, what the fuck what's going on here?
Because a big thing that Demeyo wassaying during the season when he's getting
fielding all these questions online and whatnotis that time travel is not gonna be

(36:24):
how this whole thing is solved.And he's correct, But time travel plays
a fucking big ass role going forwardhere. So they didn't use it at
all for the first four hours andtwenty six minutes of the season, but
the last three minutes it's all timetravel. I'll tell you what though,
for being time travel, which isusually pretty confusing stuff that's pretty tangible,

(36:46):
maybe I don't need to get intothe semantics of time travel. No,
I'm not saying that I can timetravel now, I'm saying on the show
it's decently easy to grasp. Yeah, fair enough. Good. Remaining on
Earth, we have Forge, Jubilee, sun Spot, and Cable. Now
on Forge's board that we see whenhe's having that conversation with Bishop, we

(37:07):
see that Jubilee, sun Spot,and Cable or listed as a wall,
so they're off. They don't reallywant anything to do with the X Men
or fighting anyone. And then allthe heroes that we see gets zapped away
or listened as missing presumed dead.But the interesting stuff here gou Is,
Wanda, Maximov, and Quicksilver arelisted as off Earth, so they're still

(37:28):
in play. We just have noidea where they are or when they are,
so that's something to consider moving forward. And the active members remaining on
that board at least that we cansee are Colossus, Dust, never heard
of Dust. I don't know whoDust is, Magic who I think is
Colossus. His sister correct Iceman,who I think is the only Omega level

(37:49):
mutant left out of these ones.Havoc. Havoc might be Omega level.
That's that is Psyclopsis brother Exodus.No idea who that is? Shadow Cat
who just likes sneaking up on peopleand Frost so this who likes to be
scared by buses. This seems likethey might be setting up a little bit
of like an X Force thing inthe meantime on Earth while the X Men,

(38:12):
or in present day while the XMen are traveling through time. And
speaking of traveling through time, let'sget into Obviously Apocalypse is the one who
sent all these people through time.I don't know how he's able to slice
them and dice them up while theywere all in the same place, but
that's neither here. He's very powerful. We see Scott and Gene in the
future thirty nine sixty a D andwe meet a character named mother Askani,

(38:36):
who apparently is Rachel Summers, theirdaughter at some point in the future,
and then we see a young NathanSummers. Now are we to presume this
is the Nathan that got sent intothe future originally, Yes, it's a
different version of Nathan. Yes.And now in the final episode, Nathan
or Cable, he tells him thathe always heard stories about his parents in

(38:59):
the future. Do you think thatit's his parents telling him those stories?
It might be, but that Nathanwe see it would have been like old
enough to remember that. No.But then also if he's like, yeah,
they all kind of sound boring,but that makes sense because it's Scott
telling the stories and he's a boringfuck. Interesting to note that they are

(39:19):
in Egypt. In that scene youcan see pyramids faintly in the background and
speaking Aliens built pyramids that could beanywhere in space. Speaking of Egypt,
we see Rogue, Nightcrawler, Beast, Xavier and Magneto in ancient Egypt three
thousand BC, and they run intoa young Apocalypse whose name I can't pronounce.
It's a three part name something.Bernardo Berkship, Shamar does Beest have

(39:45):
to carry Professor X around the entiretime in ancient Egypt? Should wear him
as a backpack. That seems likeit would be better. That's what I
would assume too. We see YoungApocalypse fighting some armored warriors here Gou and
I'm starting to think and this hasbeen pointed out online too. We we
it's very a very known thing thatone of the most powerful King variants was

(40:08):
an Egyptian emperor. So do wesee this three thousand BC that is being
dominated by King and Apocalypse sort ofleads this uprising with these X Men.
So I have also seen online thatBastian who instead of taking Scott's hand to
you know, be a part ofthe X Men. At the end,
he gets pulled into that like likegravity center that was holding up Asteroid muh

(40:34):
And does he get pulled into anowhere where King is. Yeah, so
we don't see what happens to him, which is be interesting, which probably
there's a bunch of Kangs by theway, so they could all be going
to Kang. Yeah, And wedid see in the original series. I
think it was was it Scott thatended up talking to a variant of King
during the original series, maybe someonegets like lost in time, I forget

(40:57):
who that is. Go In presentday we see Apocalypse on Genosha sort of
picking up the rubble, and inthe rubble we see I think it's the
Queen of Hearts, one of Gambit'scards, leading the Internet to believe that
Gambit is going to become one ofApocalypse's four horsemen, most notably Death,
which so is okay. Yeah,so I don't want Gambit brought back,

(41:22):
but if they have to, ifhe's brought back as Death, that'd be
cool. As long as they don't, he would be Gambit representative. But
what I'm saying though, but aslong as they don't eventually flip him back
to just being normal Gambit, Idon't want them to. Episode five as
one of the best fucking endings whereGambit sacrifices him himself to take out one

(41:45):
of these giant, crazy sentinels,and that Death holds such weight over the
final half of the season. Ifyou bring him back, you lose that
power. I agree. I wholeheartedlyagree with you. And part of the
reason why the sacrifice is so greatis because he's stayed dead for the rest
of the season. So like oh, they actually killed someone we love.

(42:07):
Gambit I think is on the shortlist for most people's favorite character always,
So to kill a character of thatpopularity in an amazing way is truly awesome,
something we never see. So ifyou are going to bring him back,
it's like, well, like Isaid, do it as a horseman,

(42:28):
but don't bring him back to reallife, Like, don't make him
Gambit again. I agree with you, But I think if they do bring
him back as a horseman, you'regonna see him back as Gambit. Yeah,
because that's gonna give him a bigold smooch and he's gonna be like,
I'm back, baby, that's mycage and accent. By the way,
good, as you mentioned, wesee nothing about Bashton. We also

(42:52):
see nothing about Wolverine morphin Storm,and this is something I really didn't like.
I didn't use this against grading theshow. They don't mention where they
are, and I think it's adecent little mystery as to where they might
be. Instead, DeMeo went onlineand said that they're in one of the
two timelines, either in the futureor in the past, and the Internet
tells us they're more likely than notthat they're probably in the future with Gene

(43:15):
and Scott. I was really hopingfor. You know, we see this
in the Wolverine where he goes toJapan and sort of takes up this Samurai
stuff. They purposefully show Silver Samuraiin this show like four times for one
second a piece each time, soclearly they're like setting that up, and
Wolverine's the main connection there, soI thought they might send him back a

(43:36):
couple hundred years and him like sortof doing a similar storyline that we've seen
before. And that was just bizarreto stick Silver Samurai in there so many
times and then tell us that Wolverineagain, we can assume Apocalypse is responsible
for all this. Now will theyhave to fight him in three Times Past
President Future. It's I'm very intriguedby that. I don't know if it's

(43:59):
possible. Intrigued by it. Thumbsup and then some other thing here.
This is a character that I amonly aware of over the last couple of
weeks. Cable has a daughter goo. Her name is Hope Summers and apparently
she's a super cool mutant. Iwonder if she pops up Since we're jumping
around timelines here now too, howfar into the future would they have to
go presumably in the future where they'reat now. Oh, do you want

(44:22):
to hear the part where I gota little teary eyed? Yeah, let's
see it. Scott and Jean aresaying goodbye to Cable again and Scott's like,
my father never did this to me, and I feel like I need
to do this to you, andthen he shows him his eyes. Yeah.
Pretty very nice, pretty good.Off the back of was it episode?
It was episode three with the GoblinQueen when they sent him into the
future because he was poisoned. Inthe future is the only time where they

(44:45):
can cure it again, I guessthat thirty nine to sixty future, which
is very far in the future.Other things from this episode, Gou and
this might be the biggest thing loominglarge again, Goo and I are ignorant
to the comic books, But there'sa character in the colic books called Onslaught
who is essentially the mind of Magnetoand Charles Xavier together, and he's also

(45:07):
like kind of a good guy.He's like sort of in the middle.
He's not right. I've heard he'sa bad guy. I don't know anything
about his character. All he's kindof in the middle. Is that there
was an easter egg where the radiostation that was shown The station was the
exact date of Onslaught's original comic appearance. Yeah, so it seems like they've

(45:29):
been setting up Onslaught for the lastfew episodes. Seems like we're going to
get that, and the idea isApocalypse might be too powerful to stop.
But when Onslaught arrives Enemy of myenemies, my friend, Onslaught might be
able to defeat Apocalypse. So that'llbe something interesting down the line. That's
probably more of a season three thing. I'm guessing. We learned that Cable
tried to go back and save Janoshatwo hundred times, which is an awful

(45:52):
lot of times to go back andhave that fail over and over and over
again. I've come to bargain withyou. Yeah, it's Tommu. This
seems to be a point of contentionfor you. This is this was a
half Chubb for me. Phoenix,How did you talking about Phoenix stripping Sinister
of all the extra DNA? Wascool to me. Of course, we

(46:13):
haven't seen the Phoenix force at allthis season. We haven't seen it for
a while. In this X Men'sshow. To me, I've always believed
that the Phoenix force is always insideof her, so it's gonna save her
the way that the Hulk will always. It was in the opening theme song.
I think for every single episode theywould show the Phoenix, so you
knew that it was coming eventually,but it just came at a point where

(46:35):
you know, the X Men weredown and out and you're like, how
are they going to get out ofthis? Oh, Phoenix is here?
All right? Nice easy? Yeah, deisx Machina if you will. I
was fine with it because I thinkshe pops out when it's needed. There
it is. I just thought it. I thought it made things too easy,
all right, fair enough. Ijust love Phoenix. I don't know
why you don't. You love Maddelin. You love the Phoenix, but you

(46:59):
don't like Gene No. I likeher evolve forms, okay, so you
like I don't know any of EV'sfuckings. I was trying to think,
Ah, they Pourion. No,I don't like the poor On. I
like jolty On. I like thecycle on. No, what's the what's
the fire Larons? The fire one? Yeah, Flarion. There's like seven

(47:21):
ev evolutions now, you're still talkinggen one. But I only know one
fifty one, Babe. Jilty Onis clearly the coolest. And when I
say I only know one fifty one, I mean I just blanked on all
three of them when I was tryingto say them goode. We see Bashan
go into this full like mechanized bashingmode. Here looks a awful lot like
Archangel I guess in the Commons.And this is like this. This is

(47:42):
after he beats Cable with his ownarm. Yeah, and then uses the
future tech to juice up his armor, which I wish he said once stop
hitting yourself. That would have beena real nice line. I love this
look it just it looked like areal cool, badass villain. And not
only that went so And I knowwe already mentioned this, but when Jubilee
like fire works his face off andhe looks like fucking two face, that

(48:07):
was also awesome. Some juice isflowing a little bit. Yeah, he's
like oil. He's like the fuckingtin man we see in uh this sort
of I guess it's on a dreamstate. But when they're in Magneto's mind,
Yeah, out lurking on a boatin the water. There is Wanda
and Peter, which she rogue moreprominently, which seems like they're overstating her
significance. And then also go acharacter named Polaris who was also Magneto's daughter

(48:31):
that I don't know anything about.Yeah, I don't know a ton about
her either, And I read thatat first people assumed that she was his
daughter, but then it was proventhat she wasn't. But now it looks
like she is again, I wouldsay based on that boat, the old
floating body. I also saw that. So is it when you're in a
dream and you have water that hasto do with like like like your world

(48:52):
crashing down upon you or something.Is that what it is? That seemed
to be like how they were usingit. For sure, I don't know
shit about So have you dreamt aboutwater? Probably the last time I did,
I probably pissed the bed. I'mguessing I only remember once truly dreaming
about water, and I was drowningin my dream and I woke up and
h'im like, is this ever happening? You gou some other cameos in the

(49:19):
finale Silver Samurai. As I mentioned, they showed him like four times during
the season. Uh, we getCap and Ironman protecting President Kelly, and
I really liked that they did thenineties Ironman, the campy iron Man,
like that's it from the cartoon.That was nice. We see Daredevil fighting
crime in New York City and hegets saved by Gou Cloak and Dagger,
and these are two characters I don'tknow shit about. I know they had

(49:42):
a live action show. What itwas Netflix or where it was. I
think Keith was the only person onthe planet that watched that show. We
get Doctor Strange doing surgery. Ilike this doctor with magic, Yeah,
a little magic, so his handsare obviously still fucked up, so that's
kind of cool. We see Gouand this was huge. This is I
didn't realize how big this was untilit was explained to me by New rock
Stars, So credit to E.A. Voss and New rock Stars.

(50:06):
We see Peter Parker, not SpiderMan, and MJ watching this whole thing
go down in a storefront in NewYork City and apparently go, I don't
remember this this maybe you knew this. At the end of the animated Spider
Mand series, MJ was cloned andher clone dies and that's the only reason
why Peter finds out MJ was cloned, and so the end of the series

(50:28):
he utilizes Madam Webb to go andsearch for MJ. So this is telling
us we have an answer here thatPeter and Madame Webb found MJ. So
that's that's big. I think backto that scene constantly where Peter says we
need to find MJ and then MadamWeb goes chicken. That's so good.
Now I'll just picture James Franco good, bless you, so good good.

(50:52):
We get Black Panther, uh notto Challa but to Chaka, his father,
which makes sense given the time.Ye see Omega Red who is like
Russia's greatest warrior, along with CrimsonDynamo, which is a cool name.
He looks like shit though, andDark Star, who had popped up a
couple times before. Uh Sielock wesee back on Earth, so that's that's

(51:13):
nice. As we see some othermutants with her by the way, Yeah,
the little the little midget guy Puck, that's right. And then the
siblings who is like north Star andsomething else are there. And then we
also pre finale, now you mightremember more than I do, we also
got Barren Zemo and doctor Doom andsome cameos, and I thought, oh,
we also got a kill Monger too. Yeah, you keep saying that,

(51:36):
I don't think we did. DoesGoogle kill Manger? X Men ninety
seven you'll see it? Yeah,I don't think he's in there. You're
the only person that has said that. It was an episode seven, I
believe, or six, one ofthose two. It's in the episode that
Zemo and Doom were in, AndI don't think he's in there. He
is, He's on one of theTV screens. They're all doing a big
old zoom call. It doesn't no, I know you say that, but
again, he would He would beT'Challa's cousin, and Tachaka is the Black

(51:59):
Panthers. Wouldn't he make sense?What if it's Sterling K. Brown.
He's not Killbuger. It could beSterling K. Brown. All right,
whatever, dude, do you wantto run through the episodes real quick before
we get to any other final Yes, let's do some episodes real quick,
and keep in mind these might beoff by an episode or two. Uh
no, these are all these areall good? Yeah, whatever, go

(52:20):
ahead. Uh first episode to me, my X Men, this was like
the reintroduction obviously to all the characters. We find out that Magneto is now
the leader and there's this technology outthere that is basically sapping mutants of their
powers. They need to figure outwhy this is happening. A couple of
the highlights from this episode is wefinally see Cyclops using his powers like pretty

(52:44):
cool wise, like him using hisibeam to like move around when he's battling
and then take people out. Wealso get one of the best TeamWorks scenes
of this show where Wolverine gets chargedup by Gambit and then thrown into a
sentinel by More turning into Blob.Yes that is right, and Beast is
like, don't mind if we're friends, mister Suntanel. He actually does a

(53:08):
good line at the end too,when he goes into the Sentinel for a
second time. It's like those Greeksthey love horses. Trojan horse reference.
Yeah. Yeah, because Bashi thoughthis pals were arriving. It was the
X Men Episode two, Mutant Liberationbegins. This is where Magneto's on trial.
They find out he's not a reallybad guy, just a regular bad

(53:30):
guy. The Friends of Honor.I think that's what Foh is, right,
Yeah, attack the un for basicallynot killing Magneto. They didn't have
a strong enough reaction towards to him. And then Storm Stormy the loser powers
in this episode, he does oncehe's protecting Magneto. That's what it is.
That's what it is right there,and then anything else else cool from
this episode. So, first off, this one ends with the Matteline cliffhanger

(53:52):
when everyone's at there, everyone's downabout Storm losing their powers and leaving.
I would say that the highlights hereand most of my highlights are just sweet
battles the front of the courthouse whenwe have morph taking on the Foh.
Also we have we have Wolverine drivingGene or madelinto the hospital and she's like

(54:15):
wow, she's like lou again andhe's like apocalypse here that part. And
then also I still love Magneto pullingthe politicians judges up into space pretty much
and being like, look what youwant me to be? Right right?
I don't have to be this becauseI don't want to be this you want
me to be. This episode three, Fire Made Flesh. This is where

(54:38):
we get the whole There's two geneGrays. We find out that Sinister has
swapped Jene Gray at some point duringthis show's run, which is still unclear.
They tease that we were Sinister wasgonna tell Cable when they were swapped
in the finale or episode nine,they never actually tell us. I don't

(54:59):
think we have her in a reallyneed to know. I think that's a
fun little mystery. And then Nathan'sborn in this episode as well. Nathan
was born in the episode prior.He's alive in this episode, but then
he gets poison to this episode.Sent into the future. Yeah, at
the end of the episode, sentin the future with h Bishop. And
we also get in this episode anawesome Jean versus Gene fight where Madeleine turns

(55:20):
into this goblin queen outfit and it'sjust it's a one, it's a yeah,
no, this is good spooky stuff. The highlight of this episode is
when Morph says the cyclops what wouldyou do with a million dollars? And
Cyclop goes to Jean's at the sametime. Episode four g Motendo Slash Life
Death Part one. This is whereJubilee and Roboido with Boito or is that

(55:44):
Bobby Bousch's dad or in Motendo,Hey, Roboito like that Tiger Woods and
his daddy. For like thirteen minutes, we get Mojo, who was in
the original series. I didn't carefor this, you liked it. I
liked the nod to the original seriesand to the video game, but I
didn't really care for this. Ilike the nods, and I liked that

(56:05):
she learned her powers. Yeah kinda. And then we also get the beginning
of Forge and Storm trying to buildStorm back up here to full storm.
It's just a real The episode's clearlylike the worst of the season. That's
because the rest of the season isso great. Also, this one also
gets a little bit spooky because ofthat big old demon bird. Good point,

(56:29):
there is a demon bird. Ithink Forge actually calls it a big
old demon bird. Episode five,remember it. This is where Rogue,
Gambit, and Magneto are off toGenosha because Janosha is joining the un and
all the other X Men are stayingback home in the mansion, And meanwhile,

(56:52):
Scott is dealing with these like mentalthings, trying to figure out who
was really Gene, who was maddelingthat whole thing He's going and he's cheating
on Gene with Madeline in her brainyeah, real sexy, cheating, little
mental stuff. That's what all thewomen want, right someone they can engage
with mentally. This culminates in firstof all, them killing a ton of

(57:15):
mutants was awesome, and then Gambitmaking that sacrifice was incredible. The end
of this episode had the coolest feelingI think of the season because you're like,
oh, we had sort of beenramping up the stakes and now we
really did it. Now, likethis series is gonna be great. Yeah.
And it also it has the speechin the middle of where Gambit believes

(57:37):
that Rogue has chosen Magneto over himbecause she can touch Magneto, and that
then plays into the final line ofthe episode of I Can't Feel You,
where obviously she can drain power andstuff, and it's like he took it
upon himself to be like, look, you always thought that you had to
take care of me, but Ican do this for you right now.

(57:59):
To me, that was this isthe only real emotional moment of the season
for me, was I Can't FeelYou. It calls back to Wanda and
Vision from Wanda Vision because that relationshipwas built up and had built up for
five seasons prior to this. Itwas it was cool to see something substantial
happen to two characters we love.I got not cool to see, but
it was cool to see them actuallylike do something that big. Was that

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the best eight minutes of the season? That? And then probably when the
X Men are fighting Magneto at theend of episode nine, that's probably that's
probably the best, right, You'reright, yeah, those are those are
the two are we watch Mojo?Now, what are the top ten to
eight minute pieces of X Men ninetyseven? Cue episode six? So this

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this bothered me a little bit too, because we end episode five with that
sacrifice, and then episode six wedive back into this the palate cleanser.
Now it's almost like they said,Okay, we know that you guys just
fucking lost it for episode five,which, by the way, epistisode five
has been submitted for Emmy consideration,and I think it actually might win something.

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But then they said, all right, let's take a step back.
Let's get back to Storm. She'sgonna get her powers back, she's gonna
switch her outfit. Yeah, andlet's also bring Professor X back. And
while watching the Professor X stuff,I'm like, I hope this means something
because otherwise it's like, you don'tlike the Mojo episode, I prefer that
over this. Yeah, two weakestepisodes of the season, I'd say,

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I like, sure, I fine, I just this This one was more
annoying than the other one because wehad already ramped up so much. So
but fair enough, I'm not gonnaargue with you about that one. The
end of this episode is when he'scalling out to the X Men too.
He says, the dead Gambit andwhatnot. It's just I don't know,
it didn't hit right. Episode seven, Bright Eyes, this is where we
see Rogue completely unhinged. She's dealingwith Gambit. She's no longer Porner Punches.

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We see her trying to basically findall of these extinctions is tolerance,
So what was the oz T officersor or whatever the hell they are.
No, so she's she's going downthe line to try and figure out who
did this. Yeah, and weeventually get to the end of this episode
after you know, assuming that well, and by the way, at the

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end of episode five, we getthe little piece there that like Sinister had
been behind this, but then afterthat he's just a pawn to someone else,
right, And Yeah, and Bashian'spretty fucking cool. Yeah, it's
just he's just like a no nonsensevillain. And we spend I don't know
how many countless times talking about howvillains like pull their punches, and we

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end up getting all these episodes,all these stories because the villains don't go
full villain. Bashan is going fullvillain. Yeah, and Rogan this episode
fucking Marvel versus CAPCOMs a bunch ofpeople and vehicles. She throws Cat in
America's shield like eight thousand. Thatis my favorite, you know, that's
my favorite. Parts is like,it was pretty long. You're stupid Frisbee,
little bitch, and then good wejump into the free part finale,

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Tolerance is Extinction Part one. Thisuh, the end of episode seven finishes
with us discovering that Bashan has createdthis human sentinel program, these Prime Sentinels,
And in episode eight they're fighting Bashanand all these Prime Sentinels and we
don't know how the fuck they're gonnastop. Also, episode seven, we

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learned that Bastion is a mutant andhis mutant power is controlling robots. But
also he was born through who arethe two Mute or the so he's a
combination of master mold yes and uhget what else? Yeah, So he
was a mutant who who like isalso now a cyborg. He's a cyborg,

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self hating mutant who does not referto himself as a mutant until the
final episode. He does not saywhen speaking to the X Men until his
final scene. Up until then,he just refers to them as freaks.
That's a nice little uh detail,right there. Ku. The only way
that we end up solving this,I say we the only way the X

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Men solve this is that Senator ladywhose name is escaping me, the blonde
lady who we saw in Janosho sawa couple of times before, who people
thought was a bad guy. Sheends up being good. She freeze Magneto
from Bashi's like legs. This isalso the first time that we see is
rest. You see his his Holocaustnumber. Uh. He floats up to
one of the poles. I thinkit was the North Pole, but there

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was land, so probably wasn't.That didn't make it. He doesn't even
see Santa though, so I don'tthink he went to the North Pole.
And he fucking I thought he wasreversing Earth's magnetic field. He just completely
undressed Earth, dissolved the magnetic field, got rid of it, demagnetized the
planet, and that was really coolin the moment, and then when the
episode ends, you start thinking aboutlike, well, wait a second,

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so and We'll also says Magneto justdeclared war. Every player in the sky
fell out of the sky, everyship in the ocean stopped working, hospitals,
nuclear reactors, all of this stuff, which plays into it when you
see doctor Strange having to use youknow, candles and magic to do like
an operation later. So he killsall these sentinels, but he also kills

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millions and millions of humans as well, So they don't really touch on that
subject. By the way, thenext couple episodes, like politics wise,
that should have been a big thing. They well, that does play into
them going with the Magneto protocol,but it also then plays with the final
piece of dialogue over the radio atthe end of the show, where you

(01:03:45):
have the other politician that's gaining onKelly, and the politician is like purely
anti mutant and it's because of whatMagneto did that is getting him votes.
Yeah, and in that war room, the only two people speaking out against
it is Captain America, and Ithink to Chaka, sorry, yeah,

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Episode nine, Magneto time out.Can we just once again point out how
fucking great this show is? Yeah, I expect, like these last four
episodes are something like close to twohours of content, and it's two great
hours, incredible hours, forty dogcontent over two straight hours. Episode nine,

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Magneto is sort of just basking inhis glory, for lack of a
better term, like taking it allin, looking out all the ships that
don't work it anymore. He decidesto resurrect Asteroid M from the ocean,
which he crashed in there in theoriginal series in season like three or four.
I don't think he crashed, andI think the team that he brought
on to work with him someone overtookit and then crashed it form or something

(01:04:53):
like that. I think he crashedit because it got over to something something
to that effect. Either way,he pulls it back out of the ocean
and then the X Men devise aplan here a twofold plan Blue Team and
Gold Team to go after Bastian andto also go after Magneto simultaneously. And
their plan to save the world isonly going to work if it all works

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out the same time Gold Team andBlue Team got to hit it at the
same time. That doesn't happen.But this is also when we get the
sweet line of Cyclops making fun ofthe movies and the black leather is like,
what do you expect us to wearblack leathery? Yeah, we see
some really cool callbacks to their nottheir original outfits, but like they're like

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Gen two outfits, which is whichis good. We see Wolverine pull a
thor here, doesn't go for thehead, doesn't go for the heart,
hits Magneto straight through the chest,and Magneto ends up ripping all of the
adamantium out of his body. Now, I did think it looked weird that
the adam antium was like it's liquidliquefied. Yeah, but either way,

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him ripping it all out of Wolverine'sbody was fucking incredible because we know,
we know, we all know he'scapable of this, and at some point
or another we've all wondered why hehas a gentleman's agreement right right, And
we see in Days of Future Pasthe almost does it. He does like
tie Wolverine to a block, andin Days of futures past. He also

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or in the uh we're talking aboutthe movie, right, Yeah, he
says to him, wouldn't that besomething if you'll clause a metal By the
way, that's my Michael Fastbender.But also in this episode he does.
So the whole Wolverine thing happens afterCharles calls him out first and then he
tries to get into his mind andMagneto puts his helmet onto Charles and tries

(01:06:45):
to crush his brain. Yeah,that was pretty cool, and we we
were at the point where like Iwasn't sure what was gonna happen. I
was like, is he gonna fuckingsmush Charles? He shut up smushed Charles,
right, And so while this isall not while this is happening,
but prior to this, you hadGene verse Sinister. That was a cool
little battle she fight was bowling Baldom. And then this is the first time

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we've seen We've seen Sinister throughout theoriginal series and we've never seen him fight
like this. Yeah, this wasthe first time where we had recognized it
before. But you're like, yayanimation, Yes, and fighting was cool,
But then after that it's her verse, uh, not her son,
because Cable still believes Madeline to behere. I mean she is, you
know, she gave birth to him. But in this episode he's controlled by

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Sinister and he's like, my motherwas a world class telekinetic. And then
he yeah, he finally uses histelekinetic power. And I had to look
this up afterwards because clearly he getsit from Gene slash Madeline whatever. But
apparently he doesn't utilize it often becauseto use it to control his illness,

(01:07:50):
right no stuff, yeah, yeah, which is a nice little wrinkle to
his character. And then of coursethis ends with the Wolverine still, which
is like ripped out of the colicbook. I also think it would be
so funny if there's ever like alittle thing of Magneto just being like,
hey, Charles, can I talkto you for a second. You keep
on bringing this guy here that youknow I can murder him really fucking quick,

(01:08:14):
right, like his body is metal, that's what I do. You
keep bringing him here to tease mebeing like, hey, man, don't
kill my metal guy. It reallyis tauting him, and you could have
like one has to wonder why Wolverinewasn't on the other team. The one
not fighting Magneto. That would havemade a little more sense, But what
are you gonna do? The finale, we open up in Magneto's mind,

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presumably at this bar they've talked aboutin referenced a couple of times from their
past, from the first time theymet Xaviers, trying to convince Magneto to
reinstirt reinstate Earth's magnetic field to savethe Earth. Magneto refuses, outright refuses,
and Charles basically just overwhelms them,and we get this shot back in

(01:08:57):
the real world, such a solarblast through Magneto's stall, and the Internet
tells me that this is the momentthat Onslaught is actually created. We won't
see Onslought for a bit, butthis is like the incubation stage for him.
This this is what would create him, which is pretty cool to think
about because it's two of arguably likethe greatest or most powerful mutants there are.

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I don't know enough about Onslaught toget too excited about them. Yeah,
I guess that's true. Do youwant to run through the rest?
Now? We did, we didall they did most of that, But
yeah, I think we've mentioned prettymuch everything we need to mention. So
this is this is a hell ofa season, and I'm like, as
much as I like this season,I'm more excited for what's going to happen

(01:09:41):
next season. I mean, I'munbelievably excited for next season as well.
But I can still point to thisseason in the nine weeks because the first
week was two episodes, the nineweeks of every Wednesday being so excited to
watch the show. Yeah, Iget. I would say it was like
fifty to fifty for me. Someof the days I waited till Thursday.
I never waited like two days.But I didn't watch it right away every

(01:10:04):
week. Not that that like takesaway from the show, but I guess
I didn't. I didn't anticipate itas much as you did until the last
couple episodes, and then also notto like knock some things down to build
others up, But there were Ithink, I want to say six of
the episodes I watched more than once. The only episode I watched more than
once was the finale, because Iwatched first, second, fifth, and

(01:10:29):
then six, seven, eight,nine, ten, all. I watched
all of those at at least twice. I watched. Credit to you,
the Magneto courtroom thing, like fuckingthree times. This show, This show
is just so good. You lovemutant politics, that's see it. I
love diplomacy. I wanted them totalk about trade tariffs and then bargoes.

(01:10:53):
H yeah, I uh. Iwonder where they go from here because they're
obviously setting up apocalypse and you can'tnot have apocalypse be the main storyline for
next season now, But like,what is that? So realistically? How
many seasons of the show do youthink we're gonna get five? Hopefully?

(01:11:13):
It seems like doing Apocalypse in theseason two, it's gonna be hard to
get more than three. So Isaid this same thing to Friar, and
then he got really mad at me, being like, there's a million fucking
X Men stories. They'll figure itout. Oh they could. But I'm
saying, like, if you dotwo or three of the best like cartoon
animated seasons you've ever done, doyou want to risk getting into stuff that

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we don't care that much? No, So I wouldn't say that. I
think that we're already teetering on theline of things being too weird for a
general audience to grasp, and ifyou go deeper into this stuff. People
are be like, what is happeningright now? No, that might be
true too. You're right because we'reworking in three timelines. We're working in

(01:11:56):
three timelines where you're like, wait, isn't he dead? Yeah, But
that's the same time. I feellike, if you like this season enough,
you're getting online and you're looking upwho the fuck mother Escrin is or
whatever. I also love the factthat the creator said, this is a
comic book show and we are goingto be as weird as the comics.
Yep, I enjoy it, andfor you and I, it's a true

(01:12:17):
delight because we have zero expectations.We don't know shit about the comics.
The only thing we know is whenthe book boys tell us or what we
google. That's it. Forty hotdogs, thirty eight hot dogs. Let's
get into Max, and Max couldbe anything that could be a boat in

(01:12:41):
mac Of course, with the resurrectionof X Men ninety seven or X Men
the animated series two X Men ninetyseven, I ask you this, is
there another cartoon or cartoons that youwould like brought back and given the X
Men ninety seven treatment. So there'sbeen a beginning of not an outcry,
but a calling for Spider Man ninetyeight in rebooting that, and I'd be

(01:13:06):
okay with that. We do havea lot of Spider Man stories already and
more coming, so I don't knowif you necessarily know if I need.
We have a Spider Man. Wehave an animated Spider Man show coming out,
don't we like Spider Man Freshman Yearor something. Yeah, and they're
also doing the Spider Man Noir,so we're getting more of that. That's
live action though, No, it'sthe Cage's doing the voice live action.

(01:13:28):
Really, yes, are you serious? I'm very serious. Dump. I
didn't know that. I've never heardyou say that before. I did to
do it every time, I didit without you because I didn't have the
I didn't listen to those episodes Iwant goo. Yeah, especially because we're
getting them next year on the bigscreen. How about revitalizing the Fantastic Four

(01:13:51):
giving us a little bit of that? Yeah, So my answer would be,
I guess anything in this animated Marvelmultiverse, but it needs to be
handled with the same love and carethat this show had, and I don't
know if they can do that becauseI've seen so many other shows from the

(01:14:12):
eighties or the nineties brought back andit just feels like a zombie version of
what that show was. Take,for example, the Animaniacs that ran on
Hulu. You watch one or twoepisodes and you go, this is kind
of funny, But it doesn't feellike Animaniacs. Give me what GENV is
to the boys. I need thatequivalent in this universe. It doesn't need

(01:14:34):
to be X Men, but somethingX Men adjacent that loosely ties in but
is of the quality of X Men. Okay, you know what I think.
I know what you're talking about.What you want is, you know
how there's a presidential race happening rightnow on the show. You want us
to follow the politics of this worldabout what six episodes leading up to the

(01:14:57):
presidential election. This might be theperfect medium for the New Mutants. This
might be the medium for it.I feel like we're gonna get something like
that in season two. For whoevereither X Force or the X Men are
all right, well, maybe buildhim up in their own season gen V
style. Just build him up inthe X Men season like because I said
that about gen V, but itworked the way it did. Shut up

(01:15:21):
because I will say that, like, if you do things right, like,
this was done right, this wasdone great. I also really liked
the reboot series of Ductails that cameout, like Tennis years ago. That
was a show that I watched withmy son when he was like one,
and he wasn't watching him, Likefuck, Docktails is great. Yeah,

(01:15:42):
you just need to get him tothe point where he's young. Oh no,
that's all he does. Like hepays attention every twenty two minutes just
to say woo hoo and then leave. Yeah, like we alluded to,
though, don't force it. Don'tmake this a trend if it were.
And that's that's what I love aboutJames Gunn. They asked him like,
hey, would you do the JusticeLeague from seven? Would you bring back

(01:16:03):
Batman? And he's like, we'renot chasing trends. That's not what we're
supposed to be doing. We shouldbe trying to find trends. Can't trust
that man anymore. Though I agreewith what he's saying, but I can't
trust him anymore. I don't knowif you've seen The Flash, it was
the best comic book movie of alltime. Dude, one hundred and forty
million for Kingdom of the Planet ofthe Apes. To look that good,

(01:16:25):
and the Flash couldn't do that.I was showing my son all of the
scenes of when fast superheroes do coolthings in movies the other day, so
we watched the Quicksilver scenes, wewatched Sonic, you know those scenes and
the Sonic movies, and then Ishowed him the Flash putting the babies in
the microwave, and I once againsaid, I said, this is a

(01:16:46):
bold swing. You didn't necessarily hit, but you put some effort in.
You thought of something that it didn'tpay off. But we haven't seen this
before. We haven't seen a heroput babies in a microwave. Watching that
in the theater was so confusing becauseI was laughing. I couldn't figure if

(01:17:06):
it was funny or if it wasso ridiculous. But I was walking that
line in the theater and I'm like, what is going on right now?
I was like, I like thedirection this movie is going, and I
think this doesn't look good. Butthis isn't a great scene. But though
we're trying something. Hey, Ihope Ezra Miller learns how to run one
day, that's all I hope.Or he's a bad guy. I don't

(01:17:26):
know. Yeah, I hope he'snot. I hope bo To Mayo's not
tied up in Isra Miller's stuff.No, let's yeah. Once again,
If to Mayo's a bad guy,we have disassociated ourselves from this episode.
This is not us. We're likebad Tomayo. Right, you can cut
that in. If he's a badguy, put that in every time,

(01:17:48):
at the end of every cent.It's gonna splice that in. I'm gonna
spend seven days making this episode justto put that in over and over again.
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dot com experts screen printing and embroideryPepubic dot Com March all right, catch
us next week we'll be doing Mac'sbirthday episode. Finally, look at those
boots. They're about to grow roots. It's got one of my favorite sex
scenes of all time. Are youjust gonna turn into watch Mojo and do
top ten sex scenes from eight mile? If you could go back to two

(01:18:56):
thousand and six and create a channelon YouTube, what would it be so
like before everyone else did it?Yeah, the Lonely Island? All right?
Cool? Yeah, I might gofor new Manouma. Guy, just
get my like, that was agood one. I'm trying to of,
like, oh, could I bemister Beast? Could I be? Could
I be Jake Paul? You knowmister Beasts is like twenty five years old.

(01:19:18):
It looks like he's forty. Samehere, I'm the opposite me and
were the same age. Just acouple of youngsters cracking wise on YouTube?
What are other what are other YouTubechannels that have made money? Well?
I was thinking, like watch Mojo, that type of shit. Watch Mojo.
They crank out way too much content. I couldn't even do that,

(01:19:41):
And I crank out too much contentmyself, and they got like four sub
channels you got like miss Mojo,they get all that shit too. Yeah,
and every one of those miss Mojovideos is about Chuck Bass. I
could do those ones. I guess. Oh boy, time Chuck Bass looked
at Blair Waldorf. You know whatI would have done. I would have
done the Jiri Experience clips because thatmotherfucker puts up like fifteen minutes. Joe

(01:20:04):
Rogan so does but does he getthe views? Or does Joe Rogan get
the views? Well? I thinkit started as a third party doing it,
and I think it's all roped upand together now, yeah, because
that's illegal. You can't steal someoneship and post it as your own.
I don't think it was comclaiming itas his own, but maybe YouTube was
paying him as such. Yeah,that's what I mean. That's yeah,
So it could began for it couldhave been Rogan from the beginning. I

(01:20:28):
don't know. You're asking me like, oh, well, but what creative
things would you want to do?And you're like, I would be the
person that stole someone else's ship andposted it to YouTube. Bam. You
know what I would have done.I would have created Coco Melon that started
on YouTube, right, did it? Now? That might be Netflix.
I don't know. There's a lotof YouTube shit, all right, see
you later, Uh Tuesdays or Goosdays. I abused kangaroos. Please flip the

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set over to side B to continuethe adventure.