May 14, 2024 • 39 mins
C.J. and John are joined by the legend, Shaquille O'Neal, to talk about the playoffs, the rise of Anthony Edwards, the future of Inside the NBA, why Shaq was the most dominant player ever, why SGA should have won the MVP over Jokic, his "beef" with Shannon Sharpe, and the piece of advice Shaq got from Michael Jordan that changed his career.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Point Game with John Wall and CJ Toldonno
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Special episode. I'm gonna bring on our guests right now
because he is maybe my favorite person of all time.
On today's episode, we were joined by four time NBA champ,
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three times Finals MVP, fifteen time all start the Big
Aristotle himself, Ladies and gentlemen, Shaquille O'Neill on Point Game. Shaquille,
how you doing man?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
First of all, CJ, that guy did a radio voice
when you talking to me.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I just I don't usually talk like this. I'm like
Shack is on. I think I have to, like felt,
what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
John Wall?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
So, Ladie, thank you for coming on today. Man, I
ain't doing much. Chi how you I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Brother? What's happening?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Not much? You wanted to have you on the show,
and you know, just talk NBA playoffs and then I
had a few questions about your story and we just
want to talk ball if that's cool with you. Of course,
So I know you're on You're on you know TV
every night talking to playoffs happening right now. But we
wanted to start off the show by talking about the Knicks.
You know, they went up to Oh, then they went
to Indiana and the Pacers came right back. So I
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wanted to ask, do you think the Knicks are tired?
Do you think TIBs game plan and playing you know,
only like seven eight guys and playing them at major
run times is affecting them now?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yes? And no, because John will understand what I'm about
to say. It's a lot more physical back in our day.
I hate going back to our day, but it was
way more physical. Like, I don't see how you can
just be tired from running pick and rolls other day. No,
it ain't really know our flag fowles and I ain't
really I don't know, you know. So you know, like
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I hear a couple of guys talking about physical the game,
but that's not really the physical that John and myself
were used to. So I don't see how they can
be tired. But I like Brunson's response, Hey man, no excuses,
we just got to come out, you know, play our game.
I really I knew Brunson was nice. I didn't know
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he was that nice. Mins what John used to do
and moms be with a AI did a guy that
was very small, but just you know post up the
fadeaways getting to the lane, absorb a lot of contact
and you know he's he's he's doing very well. Well.
Man been lighting it up too, Uh Spanish cat that
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was a golden state what was his name? Lighting up?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
But he going back to like he had the National
championship game.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah he fired. Just listen. Both teamers did what they're
supposed to do. They want it home. I really liked
Tyree's Holiberry. I like his game. I like the way
that that team was playing. The game three almost let
it get away, but you know game four that they
came back and they played with more desperation in the
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next thing and they just blew him out. But as
we all know, this next game is the most important
game was important, and like I needs to hear that
a lot in the playoffs, and I'm sure you did too,
Gent we need this game just like the most. But
this game five, with three games left, I think the
team that wins this game is the team that's gonna
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win the series.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, that's mostly I go. You know, whoever win Game
five was two too. They usually win the whole series.
And like you said, I think the Knicks I don't
like it's not that physical. I just think they're not playing.
They played guys, they play a lot, but you know,
Og going down really hurt them a lot. I mean
Og is a big piece of their team, and there
was twenty six and five when he played, and I
think just Haliber when he's been aggressive. Since Game one,
he's been more aggressive, and their team goes how he goes.
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So when he's aggressive, they're tough to deal with.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
I think it goes. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Before I had it going six to seven, but I
don't know. I think Indiana might get it in six.
If they can win in that game, that'll be nice.
So last night we saw Dinner Top of series too too.
Who you think we're in that series?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
And why?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Because I know when we've seen what happened with Minnesota
the first two games, we're like, oh shit, it's getting bad.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Kat is the key and went crazy last night with
forty something and Cat had a thismal game. You know,
they can both play well like they did in game
one and two. It'll be tough for Denver. Listen, you're
not gonna stop joking jokers. He's a he's he's he's different.
You know, we can't let Jamal get off. So again,
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I just said forty two seconds ago, this next game
is gonna be most important. I like I like the
young fella, and because he reminds me of us old
school players talk smack. And you know, I was watching
at the end of the game when he was talking
to Jamal, and we actually on TNTs. I had I
told his ass say I like that, and so you know,
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I know he's gonna be ready. But if Kat can,
if Kat can give me a thirty something and give
me a thirty something, I still let in Minnesota. But
we can never count out the champs. They woke up.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, I need I think Catney to be like like
the series he was against Phoens, he was posting up
KD a lot when they going smaller guys on them
with Michael Porter and Carwell Pope. He has to post
up more. Yeah, and I think he's standing on the
perimitive a little too much. And they kind of go
back to what we said and I are the physicality
in the game, like he should be dominant down there
to make them get double teams, to open up over
shots for those other guys, because's gonna be man.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
He's been aggressives, being spent tackling all playoffs and he's
not backing down.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
He's talking his ship and he wants all to smoke.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I hate when cats you got to get in
and drive and be flailing looking for a car bro
just taking one or two jewels and just go up
from just go apart. But you know, he uh, he's
the key. And you know, whenever we have whenever you
have one two punch, if you want to go far,
the one and the two have to play well playoffs.
That's that's unfortunate. You know a lot of teams have
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you know, three or four guys that can you know,
come in on any night and play well. But in
all for Minnesota get to the next level, they have
to play well. And the nas read that's you know,
kicking and you know all the others have to kick
in no shack.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Can I ask you if Yokic goes out and leads
them to close the series on the next two games,
do you think your opinion and your stance on Yokic
form MVP changes a little bit, no.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Because I was always taught that the MVP is a
regular seasonal war. So you know, I like that, And
I hate when people act like they don't hear me
when I speak clearly, when I see the reason why
I told Joker man the man, because you know, when
you say things, everybody want to get in and twisted,
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and the first thing I want to say, you're the
best big man in the league. But this is no
disrespect to you. I want to tell you here so
people ain't twitting out words. I thought SGA should have
got to do V That's that's not a disc. That's cool,
that's called real You John, You my guy. But I
think DEEPH. Curry got better handled. That ain't a distant
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John John, you my guy, But I think a spell
Away jump higher than you. That's not a disc. That's
just how But you know, you know, you get all
these ears that don't want to get on that little
platform and you don't make a name for this ulf
and trying to trist my words, like when they say
I don't like all big men, I don't. But I
like Joker I like him be and I don't think
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I have to say anything bad about Joker because he
plays the game in the right way. He keeps his
teammates involved, he plays his style, he does what he does.
But I think what SGA did, and I'm sticking up
for the kid. You know, nobody else is Listen, He's
one of fifty players that got thirty points in fifty games.
Nobody was talking about Okay. See at the beginning of
the year. It was Denver, it was Philly, it was Boston.
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They threw the Lakers in there, the Golden State. Can
they make a last run with the Clippers and everybody,
all those names, nobody said the name about Okay. Seeing
what that kid did was tremendous. Now the fact that
he has to start all over and it g's what.
It ain't gonna be easy next year because at Man Coming,
at Man Coming, you know, Victor coming, you know, yeah,
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a lot of people coming. So this shit's unfortunate when
you work hard like that and then you don't come
away with that award. Because I've said this for many years,
what is the criteria for most lygule player? You can't
say most player, which is a singular award that always
include the team. I think that I think it should
be if your team is one through eight, you can
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be concerned in m v P. John and myself know,
MVP means the baddest motherfucker in the league period.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
For sure, that's what And I'm glad you brought it
up because I was like the criteria. I'm like, for
one day, I always said it was winning. They always said,
have these numbers, but that's not it. That's not MVP.
That means I'm not the most valued player to my team.
And what Shade did. Everybody had them as a playing team.
Nobody had them finish in top three, top two in
the West, and they go out there and get the
number one seed. And what he did every night, he's
the go to guy down the stretch. He got those
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young guys to play at a high level with the
youngest team in the league. So for sure, you know,
I mean, YO want to congratulations. Like you said, he's
the badest motherfucking the game. We're not taking away from them,
but I feel like Edgy should have been MVP this league.
And there's nothing against Yokuss, nothing against none of the
other guys. Because if I feel like if m B
would have been healthy, he probably would have won it.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
The numbers he was putting.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
There and then and then you could tell the voters
the voters don't know what they're doing. I may have
fifteen votes, really that she had fifteen votes? Come on, bro,
So how far? How far you think a man can
go in his league? Really far? I think if they
continue to put the right pieces around him, and you know,
he just keeps playing the way he plays. Listen, the
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kid is a nice looking kid. He is a great
personal out here. I know he's gonna go over there
and do work in the Olympics or something. He's just
making his name for so you know, because you know,
so it's not really a big market, but you know,
because he's he's on the team, they're probably gonna get way, way, way,
way more TV game. So you got to you got
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to listen. He can like they're to be making comparisons
and Jordan and d Wade, But I like the way
this kid plays because he plays the right way, and
he plays hard and he played with that tenacity of
a dog.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You think he takes that d way role on the
Limby team has a sixth man no, d Way came
in a year.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
No, I think I think I think his personality. Listen,
he's a he's a team player like you like me,
but he knows where Hey this this dude from France
can't guard me. I'm gonna go to work. He's not
gonna go there and be like this my team. But
when he gets that ball, he's gonna be looking to
do what he do first and if not, he's gonna
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make the right play. So you know, d Wade was
was similar. He was like that. When you know, d
Wade was like the ultimate team player. He could have
been the leader that team. But when you got all
those big names personality, sometimes just okay to sit back
because as you know, we all can eat. We all
can eat. Like you know, just because one guy gets
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gets all the credit, I'm still going to, you know,
do what I do. I learned that in college. I'm
playing a guy named my mood Off Duro, because you know,
I was. I was telling my sons this, because you know,
I was telling my sons that my life is always
like this. High school was not really good. Number one
high school play go to college, Hey man, you gotta
wait your turn. Number one College player. Amen, you come
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to the NBA, they got marketing, they got you want
to and then you just move work work work, work, work,
work work. So you know d Wadding is the guy
that is just the you know, An'll be the guy
just sit back and when everybody do anything. But when
he gets his opportunity to make noise, he definitely made
a noise period for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, let him be into Okay, Shack. I wanted to
get into some shack news. There's been some stories right
now about the bidding war a little bit between NBC
and with NBA rights, and I think I speak for
everyone when we say if next season is the last
season inside the NBA, that's going to break our hearts.
So I wanted to know what sort of going through
your mind right now seeing some of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know, we don't really have any information on it.
On it, Yeah, I don't like to think left. I
think right, But you know, uh, I agree with you.
If it would be the end of that show, I
think it would be a travest everyone first to Plat
Boys break up, first run DMC break. But we don't
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have a lot of information. We don't know what's going on,
but hopefully the powers that be will make sure that
the show goes on forever.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Well, can you also just speak on like how you
know people said or Ernie has said he's gonna stay
with Turner and you know, maybe you guys go find
a new home, and can you just kind of speak
on how important Ernie has been to the run.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I don't listener. Ernie is the best in the business.
And again, I don't want to think left, get right,
I don't want to think right. We get another thing
here right now, I'm actually in the same place you're.
We don't know, we don't know what's going on. So
we'll just sit back and you see what happened. But hopefully,
hopefully you know, the show can do.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
For sure, that's the best show in business. Man, y'all
be having everybody's dying life. They gotta keep it. I mean,
mind came up there when they were doing the All
Star thing.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
One time.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
We was up there joking in the back. I was like,
only y'all see behind the scenes. These ship is hilarious.
It's all jokes and comedy back there. So the lottery
they did, the lot of Atlanta, Washington, Houston got the
topic pick. Some people are complaining yet again that the
worst team didn't crack the top three, Like, what do
you think about that?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
And what's the benefits of the lottery.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I don't know who's out there, but you know they're
talking about this kid in France and how it will
be the next generation play that's it's been the same
way forever. So I don't I don't like when they
take things and change it, like when they change the
All Star Game the first team to get them up. Bro,
let's just play. But I would like to see a
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TV USA versus Team World. I will. I would like
to see that also because you know some guys take
the some dope come in because I did both.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
So but in.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Atlanta, so GM John Wall, do you keep Trey and
de Jonte or do you trade him and get that
number one pick? And you telling what would you do
for me?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I think uh.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I think they made the trade with to Jonte just
in case they might want to move on from Tredeon
down the road. I mean, because he's been the point
guard in San Antonio, so I would trade him somewhere.
But I would let the Johnte Murray because of darring
point guard for them trade Treyon, let him start. For me,
I was saying earlier before we got on, I think
trading trade to San Antonio would be dope to put
him with win me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, but you think pop Pop won't let them shoot
them eighty for us?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Hey, Hey, sometimes we need some control.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Sometimes we need to adjustment, you know, sometime we need
some adjustments to get things right way, kind of like
of you, like Phil Jackson, probably you probably did some
stuff before.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
When Phil came, he was like Lizen Shanker.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
For us to get to where we want to get to,
to get to you where you want to get to,
we gotta make some changes. And like you said, for us,
it's pros if we want to really worry about winning
and get to our next steps in our crew, we
got to make certain adjustments. That's true, and I think
that'll be a nice adjustment to make well.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Piggybacking on that, can you tell us kind of specifically
why you think you and Kobe worked so well because
we don't see like we see guard big combos, you know,
with Jamal and jo Kicch and I think we can
say why that worked, But I'm curious what you think
works so well between you and Kobe mentality.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And when you got two guys competing with each other
on the same team and nobody's going to break, that's
feels disaster everybody else. Yeah, I've said this as a
big man, and this was talking to me about Dominique Wrookins.
We want to be a dominate big man. Got average
twenty eight two, that's the parts sport. So I'm glad
you get my twenty eight. I don't really care what
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anybody else to do. Now, got another guy and try
out and do you and get twenty eight thirty They
go sixty points right there. Now you got to do
is get him with Derek Fisher And they said, you
know what, Shack's tired. Then to go to Kobe. You
know Kobe and Kobe just missed four chants in a row.
Then to go to shat. Now you need a guy
that's going to you know, hit deadly chat. It's a
big shot blob. Now you need a veteran the calm
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everything down, Bryant shut. Now you need a guy really
tough on defense, Rick Fox. So you know the fact
that and then Johnny he made a great point about
sacrifices because I was a good free throw shooter. I
had to sacrifice and say you go out, go o
young fella, you take it. And once I started doing that,
we started winning championship. I'm gonna go and get my
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twenty year earlier, get the team at a penalty boom
boom bam, and do that hopefully. You know, I'm hitting
free throws. But in the full quarter especially, had been clothing games,
just giving the ball and we'll just go over and
we would have to revert to a role player, get offensive, rebound,
sit and pick some mature and once we establish that,
you know, we definitely started championships.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I think I say, you're the most dominant player of
all time.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You're the last person since Jordan to win scoring title, NBP,
the league in the championship in the same year.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Who you think is the most dominant right now?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah? Yeah, But according to some idiots, take it seriously,
because I.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I've seen it back and forth.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
For me, it's like you were so dominant, like some
people might think you wasn't taking it serious, but nobody
can stop me.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
It was all up to me. I was getting the
job done. I won three people.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And then my my response to that is one my
Eric response is work hard for who? Work hard for who?
Like wh Who's gonna stop me? Anyway? That's my ergant response.
And my other response is I don't have to work
that hard. You see what I'm saying. I don't have
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to work that hard to do what I may business
up here? You know that, and then you know all
that fives in the gym. Some people need to do
that to get that level. I came in him. Remember
I came in him. I didn't come like you know
some guys you know, came in and worked that way
through in two, three years and four or five. That's
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what you have to do to get to your spot.
I did what I did. And let's see three retired jerseys,
two statues. We see them balls behind me. So how
could you say I didn't take it? That's why, and
that's why I say G fourteen classification is important, like
if you if you don't have G fourteen classes like like,
for example, when it comes to being a great guard, John,
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we have G fourteen classification. So you could say, you
know what, Mary's taking that step back, Well, maybe you shouldn't,
you know, lean on me and go to the left.
Maybe you should take a step. You know what I'm saying,
Like you have g fourteen classifications and say that nobody
has done. That's why I think that's important. But thank
you for that. I Uh, I wanted to be the
most of it, you know, the the title the best
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I've never had that never had that. Like as a youngster,
I wasn't the best player on the team. I was
the best player in the high school team, but it
was a small team. But I wasn't the best player
on my college team. I wasn't the best player on
none of my great teams. You telling me I'm better
than Pineontoway, You tell me I'm better than Kobe No,
you tell me I'm better than the Way No. So
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I wasn't looking to be the best. I was looking
to be where I was and that was the most
domine ever. So thank you for saying that.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
And I just hit, yeah, they got to respect it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
They're like a lot of people with your resume and
come over to that mindset wouldn't say they wasn't the best,
you know, because most people coming I got to be
the best.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I gotta be the best.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
And your mindset was I'm gonna be the most dominant
and it's still gonna help my team win.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So who can stand that I'm disappointed. I miss a
lot of free throws. So let's say the twenty thousand
boys I miss plaids.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, about fifty thousand times.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I missed ten downard free throws. Let's say act they
go thirty two thousand there, and.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Then they probably want to found you as much more
so than you would have more found me.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Bro No, I don't know, but again that's the only
thing that that's that obsessed me by my leg is
as you know, when it's going, you can never get
it back. So I missed ten thousand free throws, So
just give me three thousand off of that, that'd have
been thirty one thousand points. And then that's two hundred
and fifty games due to injury. You know, I got
my hand broke twice, knee stummach, and so two hundred
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and fifty that twenty that's another five donald points I
would have been. I'd have been thirty six thousand, probably
have been probably been. That's the only thing I'm upset about,
all that he didn't work hard.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, okay, so you talked, you talked about your My
ration for candis Parking. You spoke very high of her
and all that she did for the game when she
received announci.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
She is a.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Beautiful person inside so humble, loves the game. She's like us.
She talks that talk, she walks that walk, and she
plays with that and that's it. Beautiful girl and just
you know, played, just just played so hard, and you
know she wanted to be the best. And I actually
saw her documentary with what he and Pat Summer went
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through in ut never knew that happened. But I can
see where she gets a tougher love. She's she's tough
because she's from Chicago, but you know, you had an
element like that Pat Summer and all the things she
did at Tennessee. Candace has been a beast since they.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Were I think she's about to have you know, when
you retire. When Chuck retired, everyone was like, well, great players,
will see what they do next. But like then, you
know you've gone in this insane run as a media personality,
as a businessman, and Chuck same thing. You know, I
think we're about to see that. We're seeing the beginning
of Candice in that sort of era.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, she you know sky as a level I think
she was just named President of Women to do his
basketball and she was a she was a very bright
young lady. Stuff. She can actually do whatever she wants
to do.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Shack. I wanted to ask you about this because everyone
was raving over the Tom Brady roast that happened about
a week ago. But I don't know know a lot
of people remember you've had roast for years. So I
wanted to know what you thought of the Tom Brady
ROAs and if anything ever taught that moment that Jamie Foxx,
you know was it was roast and Doug Williams.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I'm a funny guy. No nothing my feelings. You could
pick me off, but you can never hurt my feelings.
I think that roast was very brutal. Yeah, some of
that stuff, like some of that stuff, a lot of
people don't be complaining in today's society. However, I think
it was funny. Ship. I was rope that that young
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lady missus Glazier, Oh my god, yeah, like I never
seen that before. She was the best on that roast.
Andrew Schultz and Kevin harr it was. And listen when
I was watching it, chilling, I was cracking up and
like I'm the type that like everyone's emple, Like if
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you and john said sending me right now that we're
gonna say some jokes. I already know in the laugh moment,
and now I'm just I just want to see you
here and see yours hit. I won't be like what
the fuck like I think, you know, the world we
live in now is a little bit too sensitive.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
But so seat you're a successful business man, When did
you start thinking about life at the basketball?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
How did you build you up before?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Little My father was a drill sergeant, don't know if
you know. And every time somebody when the NBA did
something crazy, I would get punished for it. So you know,
all the guys that would lose their money. He was
just coming out and he would just go crazy. So
you know, at nineteen, when all the money was coming in,
Andrew Johnson said to me, it's okay to you know,
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be famous and do it, do all this stuff. At
some point you want to start earning, owning things. And
I didn't know what he meant, so I said, see
him and said what do you mean by he said, Bro,
when you retired, he ain't gonna be making the same money.
So you want to create businesses and you get have
the same same income. And when he said that, I
was thinking about one person, my mother. But John probably
(24:03):
has a similar story. My mom and dad didn't have much.
We never had a house. We used to go for
army based army base. They never had their own house.
I can remember that when I first got drafted, I
tricked my parents because I had had a very look
of contract. I think it was forty for seven. So
we wanted to go a house hunting. So I saw
this big house and it was only six hundred thousand. Man,
(24:25):
I'm not bragging on the price, but it was a
nice big house. So we looked at it. I was like, Mom,
how do you like this house for me? And she
said that, baby, it's a little too big, but can
you afford it. I was like, yeah, we could afford it.
She said, yeah, you should beat it. When I had
out of the keys before the key touched her hand,
it was tears coming out of the face. She's liked
big one is is like this year house. Maybe we
(24:45):
can't afford this is paid for already. And that was
the best feel for me to be able to, you know,
reward my parents. And then I told my dad opened
the garage. My boy, he said, that's your car. I
was like, Nope, it's your car. So no, that's the
one you got, said bro. We got to say got
them a black on black and says bend. But you know,
drill sockers, you will probably only make sixty thousand a year.
(25:07):
Take the taxi I had forty five thousand a year.
I had a few five six kids have to feed
my big ass and get me some big as shoes,
so they don't really really and having much. So the
fact that I could do that for them and I'll
send myself, you know, and I'll retire. I want to
continue to do that for them, That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
That's always about for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I guess just following up on that Shack, how do
you do everything?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Now you're on inside one night and then we'll see
you on social media, be in La and then you'll
be the next night after that getting your jersey, retiring Orlando.
So what is like the day in the life of Shack?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Like, so I wake up and I come here in
my office and I check my calendar and see what
I have to do. But they answered you a question,
same thing you and John doing that delegation. So we
all can do a podcast by ourself, but we know
guys like you and really serviously to it. We have
to partner up with people like that, so you know
hold like for example, they have all shoe company, but
(26:04):
I really our partner of the guy has shoe company
factory designed and then we just do a joint ventureship.
I think that that would be the easiest way for
athletes to conduct business. You know, we'd like to come
in and do things ourselves. There's no way we could
play playoffs, fly out of China. Look at this MeeGo
(26:25):
four lockers. So you have to you know, so you
have to delegate your time a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That's dope.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
What piece of advice that with you the most of
your journey or why.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Before he succeeds, you must first learn to fail. No,
I'm probably the only legend that got swept six times
than so. Yeah, I got swept six times, got swept
in the finals in Orlando, and Kobe got swept three
years in a row when we first got to l
a uh. I got got swept another time and another time.
(26:59):
But I can after the Bulls beat the Orlando Magic
in ninety six, I'm walking off the corn like Michael said,
Michael Jordan before he succeeded, you most first one to fail.
So I wrote it down. I'm like, what the fuck
is Mike talking about? And then I'll just go back
and watch all these other guys and the Detroit series
(27:19):
and Boston's was like, man, I had to take those
bumps and bruises before they got a bob And I
was like, oh, so that was the biggest quote there,
you know, stuff with.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Shack. I read a recent poll that you are literally
the most recognizable person on the planet. What what do
you have to say to that? And do you think
there's anyone else besides you that's maybe the most recognizable.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
My mother caught me being arrogant one day when she
said something, of course you nothing will be nice, and
I was like, you know what, She's right. I don't
want no bef I don't want no problems, and fifty
years old, I haven't been through all that. Meet me
over the here, let's catch a fad. No come at
the fifty sixty, No, come at sixty seventy. So I
(28:05):
just try to make people happy and trying to make
people smile and you know when I'm doing my job. No,
we criticize a lot. But if you listen to my criticism,
listen a little bit of information around, you know, like
I might say, like, for example, Cat needs to play well.
He didn't play well last night. He needs to, you know,
stop shooting the three go to the post. You know,
(28:29):
A real person that understands this thing of oves to
do that. Oh, he's telling me what I need to do.
A person that doesn't listen. Over all, the game is different.
We don't do that anymore. And then you keep going
back and forth, and then the old shockgn't like that. No,
I'm telling you what you have to do, because remember
I had to cheat fourteen classification? Big man. You know
(28:50):
I haven't played your position, but I played with guys,
but they're like check, give me four or five touches
in the post and watch me go to work. And
then I became the guy at the and I would
die and the easy bets like, you know, I play
with that horse who you know can go on the
post is sixteen and you know, score anything you want.
So I try not to sound like I'm hating when
(29:10):
I am criticized.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Can I ask a spicy fallow up? What about with
Shannon Sharp? What about what's going on with that right now?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I just I just think in order to talk about
certain things you have to have G fourteen classification. And
not only that, when when you when you talk, just
make it make sense. Yeah, when you say you don't
take it seriously, Well don't I have three retired jersey
as well, I have two statues. Well I don't have
four balls standing right behind me. So if that's not,
(29:41):
oh those are aemies. Excuse me. But if I don't
take it seriously like I don't, and then don't don't
talk like you know me, don't don't don't talk like
you know me. He didn't take it seriously, and he
had a lot of injuries. My arm broke twice, se
six weeks, six weeks, I had knee andrey I one
(30:03):
in for a dumkin dude under Cooman, came down, blew
on my cap to a mix. I tried to dunk
and and do it help me blow out of sting.
So I ain't never had no out of shape hamshring injury.
So don't just be talking when you don't have that
G fourteen classification. And again you talk about you know,
I'm envious of the Joker. I'm not envious on anybody.
(30:24):
Do you know what it takes to get me mad?
I just said, in my opinion, I thought, SGA, so
you got the m v P. But they they need clicks.
Some people need clicks sometimes, so they said, oh shock, no,
I'm not here. That's why when I was talking to
Joke on my show, you go back to it and
you can replay the clip and said, Joke, I want
you to hear from me first, My boy, I want
(30:45):
you to hear from me first. And this is how
I'm saying it. I said, hey, you're the best big
man however I think, and that's all it was. But
they take it and they take excerpts and oh, shack,
he already don't like Dwight Howard, you don't like you
don't like no big man, and they try to make
it say like I was taking I was just getting
my opinion, and I'm always getting my opinion, and I'm
always staying on my opinion whether it's right and wrong,
(31:06):
and I don't give a fuck. Like's just But again,
I say, now, Joker is the best big man in
the league. I've been saying that I've never said anything
bad about jokers. He plays right away. Love that kid,
love his family, and you know, people may be mad,
but hey, that's life. We did it respectfully. You know,
(31:27):
I could be joking Joker Joker and they be on
my podcast and did all that I told him, I said,
and then listen and guess what. Joker was cool? He said, Hey, Shock,
got your opinion, He laughed. We laughed about it, and
I said, I said, bro, one thing we're always going
to do is keep it real because I am the
leader of the Big Man Alliance, which means I got
the most defourteen classification and until somebody else get four rings,
(31:49):
I will never be removed.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
To Well, shack Man, we love you and appreciate you
for taking the time of talking with us. Good luck
with the rest of the inside and all that. And
we hope you see you.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
John Autub Yeah I do.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Yeah. I just was in Atlanta. They just played this weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Okay, so me and Kitty putting this thing together where
like old ANBA guys at a team, we're going to
put them together.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
To them, I make sure I get a chance we
would talk about.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It, all right.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Cool appreciation a peace, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
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(32:47):
gonna play a little bit of a bucket brick. So
you ready, yep, you know it all right, So this
first one, the Pacers are now the favorite to win
the series over the next at minus one twenty, meaning
if you bet one hundred and twenty dollars in one
hundred so bucket or brick, the Pacers will win this
series against the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Bucket.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I just think they just banged up, you know, I
mean Jalen Bruns and he's tough dog fighting through his
right foot injured, I'm not mistaken, and then og been
out with the Hams drink. Then also losing Mitchell Robinson
was tough for them, you know, I mean, I think
they only any of loss. But Datovich, I think after
game one up before game one, so they only played
like seven to eight guys, So I think that's catching
up to him and us.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
They missing some key pieces they helped them.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And I would even say Tybre's Halliburton is like playing extraordinary.
What what do you think has been the sort of
main ingredient to the pacers.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think the key for them is a lot of
people don't speak on it, but t J mcconnley and
they'll be topping.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Has really been a difference making this yious to me,
you know.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I mean TJ is coming out the bench, keeping the
pacing to the game, picking it up, trying to make
it tough on Jalen Buss as best you can, you know.
I mean he's gifted and crafty as everything does. But
I mean one game he came in, I think game
one he had like twenty points almost in game two
he played okay, Then game three played well, had another
big scoring game.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
The last night he had tennis sister.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I mean, so when those two guys come out, the
de Bension played well for them, I think that gives
them that momentum, that energy they need. But I think
putting E Smith on Jenning Brust, you're not gonna stop them,
but it's a bigger body, more physical, more athletic than
them bar and it kind of helped them out a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, the TJ McConnell thing, it's like people were saying
in Game two, if he would have played down the stretch,
they could have a major chance to close that one out.
So yeah, for sure, for sure, Yes, it's definitelyn X factor. Okay,
number two, SJ finished second in the MVP race the season,
So Bucket or Brick Shaye will win next MVP next year.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I say Brick, I mean, I don't know. I think
he should have won this year. That's my opinion. I
think he should have won it. I mean, like we
just said, Yoka just the best player in the league,
the best big man. That means a hell of a talent.
I think it NB was healthy, he probably would have won.
You I mean, you never know, but I think Shaye
deserved it just because they're a numb one team in
the West. Nobody expected them to be as good, to
have a young team, and it would have been dope
(34:59):
because they coached one Coach of the year. You know,
me if your coach win coach year, I feel like
your best players you ain't be Betty Yer. Yeah, And
I just think next you never know because the way
a man is playing right now, me and b is
coming back. You got yogis coming back. Those guys are
playing high level. You have Luca that's coming back. So
I just don't know, all right.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
So the next one that Austin Rivers has been making
headlines for his comments about NBA players being able to
play in the NFL, So, Bucket or Brick, you could
have played in the NFL for sure.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah, I definitely could have played.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I think if I would have stuck to it when
I was in high at the middle school, going to
high school and really put my work ethic tours trying
to be in there for that player.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Yeah I could. I mean, I'm I'm fast, I'm athletic,
I could catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Not say huh, what do you think would be the
biggest learning curve for you and NBA players crossing over?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Well, for me, already played football, so it's not really
too much to learn. It's just really working on my
craft every day, you know. I mean, like, no matter
if you played your whole life like, it's the same thing.
You see some football players that played basketball in high school, right,
they was good, but what they played in the NBA,
they probably could, but they didn't put the work after
the catch out to be an NBA players, So they
probably got certain things they have to learn and work on.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
It's the same for me.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
If I already played in football before at the high level,
high school, whatever, I feel like I could have played
it just so much more.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
You gotta learn. But it's not easy to get there,
you know what I mean? It was that easy. I
know a lot of guys that's talented basketball and football
that didn't make it to the pros. I mean, so
it was that easy. It would be a cake wall.
But I think we're applate enough to play in that era,
and they're a playing enough to play in hours.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
If you would have to say an NFL player to
cross over and play NBA, who who do you think
would be the best NFL player to cross over? I
think you can say all the time. Can I think
Tony Gonzalez played some summer league or something like.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
That, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
I remember Randy Moss was good. He played with Jason
Williams in high school. I don't know, man, it's tough.
There's a lot of guys that played well. Like I
didn't know t Higgins was the athletic and play you
know what I mean. But he was good once the
kid and they just got drafted. The Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Highlights he was hot.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Lights are crazy. I've seen DeVonta Smith highlight. So you know,
they all could play ship. We see Ala Iverson play football. Shit,
he was stay champion.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
So you don't know. You don't never know how it
would be.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
But I know a lot of guys played so they
could play if they really put the work towards him.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, all right, Final one. The draft lottery just happened
and the Wizards now have the number two picks. So
Bucket or Brick, the Wizards should take a Kentucky player
with their first round pick.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
M Ah, I don't know, Robbery, they're both guards. I mean,
I think they have Jordan Pool right now, they have
Tids Jones. I say I would love them go high,
but I say, Brick, I don't think they'll do that.
I think they got to try to find out if
they want a center, kind of have a starting center
right now. I think they used Marvin Bagley a lot
this year a little bit when they made the trades.
(37:53):
Koos is therefore Danny obvious their three So I think
they just got to figure out which way they want
to go to they want a big man or do
they want to wing to try to build around and
make their franchise. So I think it's a big decision
for them. I mean, they had them one pick on
me before they had number three pick with Bradley Bill
and Otto Porter, and we had a couple lottery picks
earlier after that, and I think this is the highest
one they got to me U if they drafted Brandon
(38:16):
outto there, So it's gonna be good. I think they
got what the kid from France they got. They're supposed
to be high. They have Alex Carr that could be
high read share or rob dealing him. I'm not mistaken.
So I don't know which way they'll go, but they
have opportunity to build off what they want to. And
they got a new front office, I mean not from
a new front office and all those guys, so whatever
path they want to build their team off around, they
(38:37):
can go that way.
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the audience with here today?
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Hey man, Katune, continue to subscribe, watch the show. We're
getting batter and bread. It's a lot of fun. We're
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Special episode. I'm gonna bring on our guests right now
because he is maybe my favorite person of all time.
On today's episode, we were joined by four time NBA champ,
(00:29):
three times Finals MVP, fifteen time all start the Big
Aristotle himself, Ladies and gentlemen, Shaquille O'Neill on Point Game. Shaquille,
how you doing man?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
First of all, CJ, that guy did a radio voice
when you talking to me.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I just I don't usually talk like this. I'm like
Shack is on. I think I have to, like felt,
what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
John Wall?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
So, Ladie, thank you for coming on today. Man, I
ain't doing much. Chi how you I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Brother? What's happening?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Not much? You wanted to have you on the show,
and you know, just talk NBA playoffs and then I
had a few questions about your story and we just
want to talk ball if that's cool with you. Of course,
So I know you're on You're on you know TV
every night talking to playoffs happening right now. But we
wanted to start off the show by talking about the Knicks.
You know, they went up to Oh, then they went
to Indiana and the Pacers came right back. So I
(01:23):
wanted to ask, do you think the Knicks are tired?
Do you think TIBs game plan and playing you know,
only like seven eight guys and playing them at major
run times is affecting them now?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yes? And no, because John will understand what I'm about
to say. It's a lot more physical back in our day.
I hate going back to our day, but it was
way more physical. Like, I don't see how you can
just be tired from running pick and rolls other day. No,
it ain't really know our flag fowles and I ain't
really I don't know, you know. So you know, like
(01:54):
I hear a couple of guys talking about physical the game,
but that's not really the physical that John and myself
were used to. So I don't see how they can
be tired. But I like Brunson's response, Hey man, no excuses,
we just got to come out, you know, play our game.
I really I knew Brunson was nice. I didn't know
(02:14):
he was that nice. Mins what John used to do
and moms be with a AI did a guy that
was very small, but just you know post up the
fadeaways getting to the lane, absorb a lot of contact
and you know he's he's he's doing very well. Well.
Man been lighting it up too, Uh Spanish cat that
(02:38):
was a golden state what was his name? Lighting up?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
But he going back to like he had the National
championship game.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah he fired. Just listen. Both teamers did what they're
supposed to do. They want it home. I really liked
Tyree's Holiberry. I like his game. I like the way
that that team was playing. The game three almost let
it get away, but you know game four that they
came back and they played with more desperation in the
(03:06):
next thing and they just blew him out. But as
we all know, this next game is the most important
game was important, and like I needs to hear that
a lot in the playoffs, and I'm sure you did too,
Gent we need this game just like the most. But
this game five, with three games left, I think the
team that wins this game is the team that's gonna
(03:28):
win the series.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, that's mostly I go. You know, whoever win Game
five was two too. They usually win the whole series.
And like you said, I think the Knicks I don't
like it's not that physical. I just think they're not playing.
They played guys, they play a lot, but you know,
Og going down really hurt them a lot. I mean
Og is a big piece of their team, and there
was twenty six and five when he played, and I
think just Haliber when he's been aggressive. Since Game one,
he's been more aggressive, and their team goes how he goes.
(03:51):
So when he's aggressive, they're tough to deal with.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
I think it goes. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Before I had it going six to seven, but I
don't know. I think Indiana might get it in six.
If they can win in that game, that'll be nice.
So last night we saw Dinner Top of series too too.
Who you think we're in that series?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
And why?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Because I know when we've seen what happened with Minnesota
the first two games, we're like, oh shit, it's getting bad.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Kat is the key and went crazy last night with
forty something and Cat had a thismal game. You know,
they can both play well like they did in game
one and two. It'll be tough for Denver. Listen, you're
not gonna stop joking jokers. He's a he's he's he's different.
You know, we can't let Jamal get off. So again,
(04:39):
I just said forty two seconds ago, this next game
is gonna be most important. I like I like the
young fella, and because he reminds me of us old
school players talk smack. And you know, I was watching
at the end of the game when he was talking
to Jamal, and we actually on TNTs. I had I
told his ass say I like that, and so you know,
(05:02):
I know he's gonna be ready. But if Kat can,
if Kat can give me a thirty something and give
me a thirty something, I still let in Minnesota. But
we can never count out the champs. They woke up.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, I need I think Catney to be like like
the series he was against Phoens, he was posting up
KD a lot when they going smaller guys on them
with Michael Porter and Carwell Pope. He has to post
up more. Yeah, and I think he's standing on the
perimitive a little too much. And they kind of go
back to what we said and I are the physicality
in the game, like he should be dominant down there
to make them get double teams, to open up over
shots for those other guys, because's gonna be man.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
He's been aggressives, being spent tackling all playoffs and he's
not backing down.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
He's talking his ship and he wants all to smoke.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I hate when cats you got to get in
and drive and be flailing looking for a car bro
just taking one or two jewels and just go up
from just go apart. But you know, he uh, he's
the key. And you know, whenever we have whenever you
have one two punch, if you want to go far,
the one and the two have to play well playoffs.
That's that's unfortunate. You know a lot of teams have
(06:04):
you know, three or four guys that can you know,
come in on any night and play well. But in
all for Minnesota get to the next level, they have
to play well. And the nas read that's you know,
kicking and you know all the others have to kick
in no shack.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Can I ask you if Yokic goes out and leads
them to close the series on the next two games,
do you think your opinion and your stance on Yokic
form MVP changes a little bit, no.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Because I was always taught that the MVP is a
regular seasonal war. So you know, I like that, And
I hate when people act like they don't hear me
when I speak clearly, when I see the reason why
I told Joker man the man, because you know, when
you say things, everybody want to get in and twisted,
(06:48):
and the first thing I want to say, you're the
best big man in the league. But this is no
disrespect to you. I want to tell you here so
people ain't twitting out words. I thought SGA should have
got to do V That's that's not a disc. That's cool,
that's called real You John, You my guy. But I
think DEEPH. Curry got better handled. That ain't a distant
(07:12):
John John, you my guy, But I think a spell
Away jump higher than you. That's not a disc. That's
just how But you know, you know, you get all
these ears that don't want to get on that little
platform and you don't make a name for this ulf
and trying to trist my words, like when they say
I don't like all big men, I don't. But I
like Joker I like him be and I don't think
(07:34):
I have to say anything bad about Joker because he
plays the game in the right way. He keeps his
teammates involved, he plays his style, he does what he does.
But I think what SGA did, and I'm sticking up
for the kid. You know, nobody else is Listen, He's
one of fifty players that got thirty points in fifty games.
Nobody was talking about Okay. See at the beginning of
the year. It was Denver, it was Philly, it was Boston.
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They threw the Lakers in there, the Golden State. Can
they make a last run with the Clippers and everybody,
all those names, nobody said the name about Okay. Seeing
what that kid did was tremendous. Now the fact that
he has to start all over and it g's what.
It ain't gonna be easy next year because at Man Coming,
at Man Coming, you know, Victor coming, you know, yeah,
(08:18):
a lot of people coming. So this shit's unfortunate when
you work hard like that and then you don't come
away with that award. Because I've said this for many years,
what is the criteria for most lygule player? You can't
say most player, which is a singular award that always
include the team. I think that I think it should
be if your team is one through eight, you can
(08:41):
be concerned in m v P. John and myself know,
MVP means the baddest motherfucker in the league period.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
For sure, that's what And I'm glad you brought it
up because I was like the criteria. I'm like, for
one day, I always said it was winning. They always said,
have these numbers, but that's not it. That's not MVP.
That means I'm not the most valued player to my team.
And what Shade did. Everybody had them as a playing team.
Nobody had them finish in top three, top two in
the West, and they go out there and get the
number one seed. And what he did every night, he's
the go to guy down the stretch. He got those
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young guys to play at a high level with the
youngest team in the league. So for sure, you know,
I mean, YO want to congratulations. Like you said, he's
the badest motherfucking the game. We're not taking away from them,
but I feel like Edgy should have been MVP this league.
And there's nothing against Yokuss, nothing against none of the
other guys. Because if I feel like if m B
would have been healthy, he probably would have won it.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
The numbers he was putting.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
There and then and then you could tell the voters
the voters don't know what they're doing. I may have
fifteen votes, really that she had fifteen votes? Come on, bro,
So how far? How far you think a man can
go in his league? Really far? I think if they
continue to put the right pieces around him, and you know,
he just keeps playing the way he plays. Listen, the
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kid is a nice looking kid. He is a great
personal out here. I know he's gonna go over there
and do work in the Olympics or something. He's just
making his name for so you know, because you know,
so it's not really a big market, but you know,
because he's he's on the team, they're probably gonna get way, way, way,
way more TV game. So you got to you got
(10:09):
to listen. He can like they're to be making comparisons
and Jordan and d Wade, But I like the way
this kid plays because he plays the right way, and
he plays hard and he played with that tenacity of
a dog.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You think he takes that d way role on the
Limby team has a sixth man no, d Way came
in a year.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
No, I think I think I think his personality. Listen,
he's a he's a team player like you like me,
but he knows where Hey this this dude from France
can't guard me. I'm gonna go to work. He's not
gonna go there and be like this my team. But
when he gets that ball, he's gonna be looking to
do what he do first and if not, he's gonna
(10:49):
make the right play. So you know, d Wade was
was similar. He was like that. When you know, d
Wade was like the ultimate team player. He could have
been the leader that team. But when you got all
those big names personality, sometimes just okay to sit back
because as you know, we all can eat. We all
can eat. Like you know, just because one guy gets
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gets all the credit, I'm still going to, you know,
do what I do. I learned that in college. I'm
playing a guy named my mood Off Duro, because you know,
I was. I was telling my sons this, because you know,
I was telling my sons that my life is always
like this. High school was not really good. Number one
high school play go to college, Hey man, you gotta
wait your turn. Number one College player. Amen, you come
(11:32):
to the NBA, they got marketing, they got you want
to and then you just move work work work, work, work,
work work. So you know d Wadding is the guy
that is just the you know, An'll be the guy
just sit back and when everybody do anything. But when
he gets his opportunity to make noise, he definitely made
a noise period for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, let him be into Okay, Shack. I wanted to
get into some shack news. There's been some stories right
now about the bidding war a little bit between NBC
and with NBA rights, and I think I speak for
everyone when we say if next season is the last
season inside the NBA, that's going to break our hearts.
So I wanted to know what sort of going through
your mind right now seeing some of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know, we don't really have any information on it.
On it, Yeah, I don't like to think left. I
think right, But you know, uh, I agree with you.
If it would be the end of that show, I
think it would be a travest everyone first to Plat
Boys break up, first run DMC break. But we don't
(12:33):
have a lot of information. We don't know what's going on,
but hopefully the powers that be will make sure that
the show goes on forever.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Well, can you also just speak on like how you
know people said or Ernie has said he's gonna stay
with Turner and you know, maybe you guys go find
a new home, and can you just kind of speak
on how important Ernie has been to the run.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I don't listener. Ernie is the best in the business.
And again, I don't want to think left, get right,
I don't want to think right. We get another thing
here right now, I'm actually in the same place you're.
We don't know, we don't know what's going on. So
we'll just sit back and you see what happened. But hopefully,
hopefully you know, the show can do.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
For sure, that's the best show in business. Man, y'all
be having everybody's dying life. They gotta keep it. I mean,
mind came up there when they were doing the All
Star thing.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
One time.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
We was up there joking in the back. I was like,
only y'all see behind the scenes. These ship is hilarious.
It's all jokes and comedy back there. So the lottery
they did, the lot of Atlanta, Washington, Houston got the
topic pick. Some people are complaining yet again that the
worst team didn't crack the top three, Like, what do
you think about that?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
And what's the benefits of the lottery.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I don't know who's out there, but you know they're
talking about this kid in France and how it will
be the next generation play that's it's been the same
way forever. So I don't I don't like when they
take things and change it, like when they change the
All Star Game the first team to get them up. Bro,
let's just play. But I would like to see a
(14:03):
TV USA versus Team World. I will. I would like
to see that also because you know some guys take
the some dope come in because I did both.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
So but in.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Atlanta, so GM John Wall, do you keep Trey and
de Jonte or do you trade him and get that
number one pick? And you telling what would you do
for me?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I think uh.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I think they made the trade with to Jonte just
in case they might want to move on from Tredeon
down the road. I mean, because he's been the point
guard in San Antonio, so I would trade him somewhere.
But I would let the Johnte Murray because of darring
point guard for them trade Treyon, let him start. For me,
I was saying earlier before we got on, I think
trading trade to San Antonio would be dope to put
him with win me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, but you think pop Pop won't let them shoot
them eighty for us?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Hey, Hey, sometimes we need some control.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Sometimes we need to adjustment, you know, sometime we need
some adjustments to get things right way, kind of like
of you, like Phil Jackson, probably you probably did some
stuff before.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
When Phil came, he was like Lizen Shanker.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
For us to get to where we want to get to,
to get to you where you want to get to,
we gotta make some changes. And like you said, for us,
it's pros if we want to really worry about winning
and get to our next steps in our crew, we
got to make certain adjustments. That's true, and I think
that'll be a nice adjustment to make well.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Piggybacking on that, can you tell us kind of specifically
why you think you and Kobe worked so well because
we don't see like we see guard big combos, you know,
with Jamal and jo Kicch and I think we can
say why that worked, But I'm curious what you think
works so well between you and Kobe mentality.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And when you got two guys competing with each other
on the same team and nobody's going to break, that's
feels disaster everybody else. Yeah, I've said this as a
big man, and this was talking to me about Dominique Wrookins.
We want to be a dominate big man. Got average
twenty eight two, that's the parts sport. So I'm glad
you get my twenty eight. I don't really care what
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anybody else to do. Now, got another guy and try
out and do you and get twenty eight thirty They
go sixty points right there. Now you got to do
is get him with Derek Fisher And they said, you
know what, Shack's tired. Then to go to Kobe. You
know Kobe and Kobe just missed four chants in a row.
Then to go to shat. Now you need a guy
that's going to you know, hit deadly chat. It's a
big shot blob. Now you need a veteran the calm
(16:20):
everything down, Bryant shut. Now you need a guy really
tough on defense, Rick Fox. So you know the fact
that and then Johnny he made a great point about
sacrifices because I was a good free throw shooter. I
had to sacrifice and say you go out, go o
young fella, you take it. And once I started doing that,
we started winning championship. I'm gonna go and get my
(16:40):
twenty year earlier, get the team at a penalty boom
boom bam, and do that hopefully. You know, I'm hitting
free throws. But in the full quarter especially, had been clothing games,
just giving the ball and we'll just go over and
we would have to revert to a role player, get offensive, rebound,
sit and pick some mature and once we establish that,
you know, we definitely started championships.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I think I say, you're the most dominant player of
all time.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You're the last person since Jordan to win scoring title, NBP,
the league in the championship in the same year.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Who you think is the most dominant right now?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah? Yeah, But according to some idiots, take it seriously,
because I.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I've seen it back and forth.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
For me, it's like you were so dominant, like some
people might think you wasn't taking it serious, but nobody
can stop me.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
It was all up to me. I was getting the
job done. I won three people.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And then my my response to that is one my
Eric response is work hard for who? Work hard for who?
Like wh Who's gonna stop me? Anyway? That's my ergant response.
And my other response is I don't have to work
that hard. You see what I'm saying. I don't have
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to work that hard to do what I may business
up here? You know that, and then you know all
that fives in the gym. Some people need to do
that to get that level. I came in him. Remember
I came in him. I didn't come like you know
some guys you know, came in and worked that way
through in two, three years and four or five. That's
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what you have to do to get to your spot.
I did what I did. And let's see three retired jerseys,
two statues. We see them balls behind me. So how
could you say I didn't take it? That's why, and
that's why I say G fourteen classification is important, like
if you if you don't have G fourteen classes like like,
for example, when it comes to being a great guard, John,
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we have G fourteen classification. So you could say, you
know what, Mary's taking that step back, Well, maybe you shouldn't,
you know, lean on me and go to the left.
Maybe you should take a step. You know what I'm saying,
Like you have g fourteen classifications and say that nobody
has done. That's why I think that's important. But thank
you for that. I Uh, I wanted to be the
most of it, you know, the the title the best
(18:57):
I've never had that never had that. Like as a youngster,
I wasn't the best player on the team. I was
the best player in the high school team, but it
was a small team. But I wasn't the best player
on my college team. I wasn't the best player on
none of my great teams. You telling me I'm better
than Pineontoway, You tell me I'm better than Kobe No,
you tell me I'm better than the Way No. So
(19:19):
I wasn't looking to be the best. I was looking
to be where I was and that was the most
domine ever. So thank you for saying that.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
And I just hit, yeah, they got to respect it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
They're like a lot of people with your resume and
come over to that mindset wouldn't say they wasn't the best,
you know, because most people coming I got to be
the best.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I gotta be the best.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
And your mindset was I'm gonna be the most dominant
and it's still gonna help my team win.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So who can stand that I'm disappointed. I miss a
lot of free throws. So let's say the twenty thousand
boys I miss plaids.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, about fifty thousand times.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I missed ten downard free throws. Let's say act they
go thirty two thousand there, and.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Then they probably want to found you as much more
so than you would have more found me.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Bro No, I don't know, but again that's the only
thing that that's that obsessed me by my leg is
as you know, when it's going, you can never get
it back. So I missed ten thousand free throws, So
just give me three thousand off of that, that'd have
been thirty one thousand points. And then that's two hundred
and fifty games due to injury. You know, I got
my hand broke twice, knee stummach, and so two hundred
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and fifty that twenty that's another five donald points I
would have been. I'd have been thirty six thousand, probably
have been probably been. That's the only thing I'm upset about,
all that he didn't work hard.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, okay, so you talked, you talked about your My
ration for candis Parking. You spoke very high of her
and all that she did for the game when she
received announci.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
She is a.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Beautiful person inside so humble, loves the game. She's like us.
She talks that talk, she walks that walk, and she
plays with that and that's it. Beautiful girl and just
you know, played, just just played so hard, and you
know she wanted to be the best. And I actually
saw her documentary with what he and Pat Summer went
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through in ut never knew that happened. But I can
see where she gets a tougher love. She's she's tough
because she's from Chicago, but you know, you had an
element like that Pat Summer and all the things she
did at Tennessee. Candace has been a beast since they.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Were I think she's about to have you know, when
you retire. When Chuck retired, everyone was like, well, great players,
will see what they do next. But like then, you
know you've gone in this insane run as a media personality,
as a businessman, and Chuck same thing. You know, I
think we're about to see that. We're seeing the beginning
of Candice in that sort of era.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, she you know sky as a level I think
she was just named President of Women to do his
basketball and she was a she was a very bright
young lady. Stuff. She can actually do whatever she wants
to do.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Shack. I wanted to ask you about this because everyone
was raving over the Tom Brady roast that happened about
a week ago. But I don't know know a lot
of people remember you've had roast for years. So I
wanted to know what you thought of the Tom Brady
ROAs and if anything ever taught that moment that Jamie Foxx,
you know was it was roast and Doug Williams.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I'm a funny guy. No nothing my feelings. You could
pick me off, but you can never hurt my feelings.
I think that roast was very brutal. Yeah, some of
that stuff, like some of that stuff, a lot of
people don't be complaining in today's society. However, I think
it was funny. Ship. I was rope that that young
(22:38):
lady missus Glazier, Oh my god, yeah, like I never
seen that before. She was the best on that roast.
Andrew Schultz and Kevin harr it was. And listen when
I was watching it, chilling, I was cracking up and
like I'm the type that like everyone's emple, Like if
(22:58):
you and john said sending me right now that we're
gonna say some jokes. I already know in the laugh moment,
and now I'm just I just want to see you
here and see yours hit. I won't be like what
the fuck like I think, you know, the world we
live in now is a little bit too sensitive.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
But so seat you're a successful business man, When did
you start thinking about life at the basketball?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
How did you build you up before?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Little My father was a drill sergeant, don't know if
you know. And every time somebody when the NBA did
something crazy, I would get punished for it. So you know,
all the guys that would lose their money. He was
just coming out and he would just go crazy. So
you know, at nineteen, when all the money was coming in,
Andrew Johnson said to me, it's okay to you know,
(23:41):
be famous and do it, do all this stuff. At
some point you want to start earning, owning things. And
I didn't know what he meant, so I said, see
him and said what do you mean by he said, Bro,
when you retired, he ain't gonna be making the same money.
So you want to create businesses and you get have
the same same income. And when he said that, I
was thinking about one person, my mother. But John probably
(24:03):
has a similar story. My mom and dad didn't have much.
We never had a house. We used to go for
army based army base. They never had their own house.
I can remember that when I first got drafted, I
tricked my parents because I had had a very look
of contract. I think it was forty for seven. So
we wanted to go a house hunting. So I saw
this big house and it was only six hundred thousand. Man,
(24:25):
I'm not bragging on the price, but it was a
nice big house. So we looked at it. I was like, Mom,
how do you like this house for me? And she
said that, baby, it's a little too big, but can
you afford it. I was like, yeah, we could afford it.
She said, yeah, you should beat it. When I had
out of the keys before the key touched her hand,
it was tears coming out of the face. She's liked
big one is is like this year house. Maybe we
(24:45):
can't afford this is paid for already. And that was
the best feel for me to be able to, you know,
reward my parents. And then I told my dad opened
the garage. My boy, he said, that's your car. I
was like, Nope, it's your car. So no, that's the
one you got, said bro. We got to say got
them a black on black and says bend. But you know,
drill sockers, you will probably only make sixty thousand a year.
(25:07):
Take the taxi I had forty five thousand a year.
I had a few five six kids have to feed
my big ass and get me some big as shoes,
so they don't really really and having much. So the
fact that I could do that for them and I'll
send myself, you know, and I'll retire. I want to
continue to do that for them, That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
That's always about for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I guess just following up on that Shack, how do
you do everything?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Now you're on inside one night and then we'll see
you on social media, be in La and then you'll
be the next night after that getting your jersey, retiring Orlando.
So what is like the day in the life of Shack?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Like, so I wake up and I come here in
my office and I check my calendar and see what
I have to do. But they answered you a question,
same thing you and John doing that delegation. So we
all can do a podcast by ourself, but we know
guys like you and really serviously to it. We have
to partner up with people like that, so you know
hold like for example, they have all shoe company, but
(26:04):
I really our partner of the guy has shoe company
factory designed and then we just do a joint ventureship.
I think that that would be the easiest way for
athletes to conduct business. You know, we'd like to come
in and do things ourselves. There's no way we could
play playoffs, fly out of China. Look at this MeeGo
(26:25):
four lockers. So you have to you know, so you
have to delegate your time a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That's dope.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
What piece of advice that with you the most of
your journey or why.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Before he succeeds, you must first learn to fail. No,
I'm probably the only legend that got swept six times
than so. Yeah, I got swept six times, got swept
in the finals in Orlando, and Kobe got swept three
years in a row when we first got to l
a uh. I got got swept another time and another time.
(26:59):
But I can after the Bulls beat the Orlando Magic
in ninety six, I'm walking off the corn like Michael said,
Michael Jordan before he succeeded, you most first one to fail.
So I wrote it down. I'm like, what the fuck
is Mike talking about? And then I'll just go back
and watch all these other guys and the Detroit series
(27:19):
and Boston's was like, man, I had to take those
bumps and bruises before they got a bob And I
was like, oh, so that was the biggest quote there,
you know, stuff with.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Shack. I read a recent poll that you are literally
the most recognizable person on the planet. What what do
you have to say to that? And do you think
there's anyone else besides you that's maybe the most recognizable.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
My mother caught me being arrogant one day when she
said something, of course you nothing will be nice, and
I was like, you know what, She's right. I don't
want no bef I don't want no problems, and fifty
years old, I haven't been through all that. Meet me
over the here, let's catch a fad. No come at
the fifty sixty, No, come at sixty seventy. So I
(28:05):
just try to make people happy and trying to make
people smile and you know when I'm doing my job. No,
we criticize a lot. But if you listen to my criticism,
listen a little bit of information around, you know, like
I might say, like, for example, Cat needs to play well.
He didn't play well last night. He needs to, you know,
stop shooting the three go to the post. You know,
(28:29):
A real person that understands this thing of oves to
do that. Oh, he's telling me what I need to do.
A person that doesn't listen. Over all, the game is different.
We don't do that anymore. And then you keep going
back and forth, and then the old shockgn't like that. No,
I'm telling you what you have to do, because remember
I had to cheat fourteen classification? Big man. You know
(28:50):
I haven't played your position, but I played with guys,
but they're like check, give me four or five touches
in the post and watch me go to work. And
then I became the guy at the and I would
die and the easy bets like, you know, I play
with that horse who you know can go on the
post is sixteen and you know, score anything you want.
So I try not to sound like I'm hating when
(29:10):
I am criticized.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Can I ask a spicy fallow up? What about with
Shannon Sharp? What about what's going on with that right now?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I just I just think in order to talk about
certain things you have to have G fourteen classification. And
not only that, when when you when you talk, just
make it make sense. Yeah, when you say you don't
take it seriously, Well don't I have three retired jersey
as well, I have two statues. Well I don't have
four balls standing right behind me. So if that's not,
(29:41):
oh those are aemies. Excuse me. But if I don't
take it seriously like I don't, and then don't don't
talk like you know me, don't don't don't talk like
you know me. He didn't take it seriously, and he
had a lot of injuries. My arm broke twice, se
six weeks, six weeks, I had knee andrey I one
(30:03):
in for a dumkin dude under Cooman, came down, blew
on my cap to a mix. I tried to dunk
and and do it help me blow out of sting.
So I ain't never had no out of shape hamshring injury.
So don't just be talking when you don't have that
G fourteen classification. And again you talk about you know,
I'm envious of the Joker. I'm not envious on anybody.
(30:24):
Do you know what it takes to get me mad?
I just said, in my opinion, I thought, SGA, so
you got the m v P. But they they need clicks.
Some people need clicks sometimes, so they said, oh shock, no,
I'm not here. That's why when I was talking to
Joke on my show, you go back to it and
you can replay the clip and said, Joke, I want
you to hear from me first, My boy, I want
(30:45):
you to hear from me first. And this is how
I'm saying it. I said, hey, you're the best big
man however I think, and that's all it was. But
they take it and they take excerpts and oh, shack,
he already don't like Dwight Howard, you don't like you
don't like no big man, and they try to make
it say like I was taking I was just getting
my opinion, and I'm always getting my opinion, and I'm
always staying on my opinion whether it's right and wrong,
(31:06):
and I don't give a fuck. Like's just But again,
I say, now, Joker is the best big man in
the league. I've been saying that I've never said anything
bad about jokers. He plays right away. Love that kid,
love his family, and you know, people may be mad,
but hey, that's life. We did it respectfully. You know,
(31:27):
I could be joking Joker Joker and they be on
my podcast and did all that I told him, I said,
and then listen and guess what. Joker was cool? He said, Hey, Shock,
got your opinion, He laughed. We laughed about it, and
I said, I said, bro, one thing we're always going
to do is keep it real because I am the
leader of the Big Man Alliance, which means I got
the most defourteen classification and until somebody else get four rings,
(31:49):
I will never be removed.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
To Well, shack Man, we love you and appreciate you
for taking the time of talking with us. Good luck
with the rest of the inside and all that. And
we hope you see you.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
John Autub Yeah I do.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Yeah. I just was in Atlanta. They just played this weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Okay, so me and Kitty putting this thing together where
like old ANBA guys at a team, we're going to
put them together.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
To them, I make sure I get a chance we
would talk about.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It, all right.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Cool appreciation a peace, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Welcome back to point Game with John Walling, CJ. Tolaldonad
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has come to that time of the episode where we're
(32:47):
gonna play a little bit of a bucket brick. So
you ready, yep, you know it all right, So this
first one, the Pacers are now the favorite to win
the series over the next at minus one twenty, meaning
if you bet one hundred and twenty dollars in one
hundred so bucket or brick, the Pacers will win this
series against the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Bucket.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I just think they just banged up, you know, I
mean Jalen Bruns and he's tough dog fighting through his
right foot injured, I'm not mistaken, and then og been
out with the Hams drink. Then also losing Mitchell Robinson
was tough for them, you know, I mean, I think
they only any of loss. But Datovich, I think after
game one up before game one, so they only played
like seven to eight guys, So I think that's catching
up to him and us.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
They missing some key pieces they helped them.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And I would even say Tybre's Halliburton is like playing extraordinary.
What what do you think has been the sort of
main ingredient to the pacers.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think the key for them is a lot of
people don't speak on it, but t J mcconnley and
they'll be topping.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Has really been a difference making this yious to me,
you know.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I mean TJ is coming out the bench, keeping the
pacing to the game, picking it up, trying to make
it tough on Jalen Buss as best you can, you know.
I mean he's gifted and crafty as everything does. But
I mean one game he came in, I think game
one he had like twenty points almost in game two
he played okay, Then game three played well, had another
big scoring game.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
The last night he had tennis sister.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I mean, so when those two guys come out, the
de Bension played well for them, I think that gives
them that momentum, that energy they need. But I think
putting E Smith on Jenning Brust, you're not gonna stop them,
but it's a bigger body, more physical, more athletic than
them bar and it kind of helped them out a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, the TJ McConnell thing, it's like people were saying
in Game two, if he would have played down the stretch,
they could have a major chance to close that one out.
So yeah, for sure, for sure, Yes, it's definitelyn X factor. Okay,
number two, SJ finished second in the MVP race the season,
So Bucket or Brick Shaye will win next MVP next year.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I say Brick, I mean, I don't know. I think
he should have won this year. That's my opinion. I
think he should have won it. I mean, like we
just said, Yoka just the best player in the league,
the best big man. That means a hell of a talent.
I think it NB was healthy, he probably would have won.
You I mean, you never know, but I think Shaye
deserved it just because they're a numb one team in
the West. Nobody expected them to be as good, to
have a young team, and it would have been dope
(34:59):
because they coached one Coach of the year. You know,
me if your coach win coach year, I feel like
your best players you ain't be Betty Yer. Yeah, And
I just think next you never know because the way
a man is playing right now, me and b is
coming back. You got yogis coming back. Those guys are
playing high level. You have Luca that's coming back. So
I just don't know, all right.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
So the next one that Austin Rivers has been making
headlines for his comments about NBA players being able to
play in the NFL, So, Bucket or Brick, you could
have played in the NFL for sure.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah, I definitely could have played.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I think if I would have stuck to it when
I was in high at the middle school, going to
high school and really put my work ethic tours trying
to be in there for that player.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Yeah I could. I mean, I'm I'm fast, I'm athletic,
I could catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Not say huh, what do you think would be the
biggest learning curve for you and NBA players crossing over?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Well, for me, already played football, so it's not really
too much to learn. It's just really working on my
craft every day, you know. I mean, like, no matter
if you played your whole life like, it's the same thing.
You see some football players that played basketball in high school, right,
they was good, but what they played in the NBA,
they probably could, but they didn't put the work after
the catch out to be an NBA players, So they
probably got certain things they have to learn and work on.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
It's the same for me.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
If I already played in football before at the high level,
high school, whatever, I feel like I could have played
it just so much more.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
You gotta learn. But it's not easy to get there,
you know what I mean? It was that easy. I
know a lot of guys that's talented basketball and football
that didn't make it to the pros. I mean, so
it was that easy. It would be a cake wall.
But I think we're applate enough to play in that era,
and they're a playing enough to play in hours.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
If you would have to say an NFL player to
cross over and play NBA, who who do you think
would be the best NFL player to cross over? I
think you can say all the time. Can I think
Tony Gonzalez played some summer league or something like.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
That, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
I remember Randy Moss was good. He played with Jason
Williams in high school. I don't know, man, it's tough.
There's a lot of guys that played well. Like I
didn't know t Higgins was the athletic and play you
know what I mean. But he was good once the
kid and they just got drafted. The Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Highlights he was hot.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Lights are crazy. I've seen DeVonta Smith highlight. So you know,
they all could play ship. We see Ala Iverson play football. Shit,
he was stay champion.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
So you don't know. You don't never know how it
would be.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
But I know a lot of guys played so they
could play if they really put the work towards him.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, all right, Final one. The draft lottery just happened
and the Wizards now have the number two picks. So
Bucket or Brick, the Wizards should take a Kentucky player
with their first round pick.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
M Ah, I don't know, Robbery, they're both guards. I mean,
I think they have Jordan Pool right now, they have
Tids Jones. I say I would love them go high,
but I say, Brick, I don't think they'll do that.
I think they got to try to find out if
they want a center, kind of have a starting center
right now. I think they used Marvin Bagley a lot
this year a little bit when they made the trades.
(37:53):
Koos is therefore Danny obvious their three So I think
they just got to figure out which way they want
to go to they want a big man or do
they want to wing to try to build around and
make their franchise. So I think it's a big decision
for them. I mean, they had them one pick on
me before they had number three pick with Bradley Bill
and Otto Porter, and we had a couple lottery picks
earlier after that, and I think this is the highest
one they got to me U if they drafted Brandon
(38:16):
outto there, So it's gonna be good. I think they
got what the kid from France they got. They're supposed
to be high. They have Alex Carr that could be
high read share or rob dealing him. I'm not mistaken.
So I don't know which way they'll go, but they
have opportunity to build off what they want to. And
they got a new front office, I mean not from
a new front office and all those guys, so whatever
path they want to build their team off around, they
(38:37):
can go that way.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
All right, that's Stipe, all right, John, There's been another
episode of Point Game. What do you want to leave
the audience with here today?
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Hey man, Katune, continue to subscribe, watch the show. We're
getting batter and bread. It's a lot of fun. We're
enjoying this playoff run that's going on, a lot of
great basketball, and uh, just check out what's going on.
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