Full Show Podcast: 06 April 2025

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This week has been a brutal reminder of how politics
and politicians like to work and be seen. How important
it is to be the center of attention, to be
seen to be doing, even if it's just for appearances
and the little evidence of a real productive outcome. Whether
it's a destabilizing global economic and trade order champion legislation
that's dead on arrival, or feeling the need to speak

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for twenty five hours straight, it has definitely been a
fascinating week in politics. But for all the attention seeking,
polarization and stoking of grievances, there is also some good
work going on. This week. David Seymour announced the weight
loss drug where Govy has been approved by Medsafe, with
its producer hoping to make it available in New Zealand
as soon as possible. So with goov is like the

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celebrity championed ozing Peck. It's a semiglutide injection that acts
to regulate appetite by increasing the feeling of fullness and
reducing your food cravings. But unlike ozing peck, which has
approved in New Zealand to treat type two diabetes, where
GOV is approved just as a weight loss drug, I
very much sat on the fence when it comes to

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these drugs, like many people, including author Johann Harr, who's
used ozing peck and written about it at length in
his best selling book Magic Pill. He cites the many
concerns around the use of this drug, including its wide
availability imparts of the world, its impact on eating disorders,
and on those who don't really need it. There's a
long list of side effects and the possibility you might

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need to start it for life to maintain your weight.
And then there's this simple boredom of living life without
an appetite. But if you use this drug selectively on
people who have exhausted other means of losing weight and
effacing serious health issues, it could be a massive game
changer for our health system. It was a cardiologist involved

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in heart transplants who convinced me of the importance of
access to drugs like WEGOV. She told me it could
be the one thing which stops a heart transplant patient
being the only option left for them. I've had gps
say to me, this could have a huge impact on
reducing type two diabetes, orthopedic issues, cancer and strokes. They're

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not saying it should be available for every obese New
Zealander that would be one and three adults, but for
patients with chronic complex conditions. But here's the thing. At
this stage, far MECH is not funding the drug and
it's cost prohibitive. We'regov is available in Australia. It costs
New Zealand about four hundred and ninety seven per month

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for the recommended dose required to have the best weight
management outcome. So serious work needs to go into assessing
the benefit a drug such as this could have on
reducing the burden on our house system. If the benefits
outweigh the costs, then it needs to be funded by
FARMAC as soon as possible.

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Ninety two ninety two is the text. You think that
FARMAC should be making a drug like this available, putting
it in reach of those who need it but can't
afford it. Do you see it as a game changer?
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It's fourteen past nine to look on not to look?
Is that how you're feeling about your kivsaver valance? In
recent days, global markets have tumbled since US President Donald
Trump's Liberation Day tariffs were announced, with trillions of dollars
wiped from world markets. So what impact will these tariffs
have on our retirement nest eggs? Do we need to
panic about our que we saber balance? Just yet to discuss?

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I'm joined by chief economist for ki We Save provider Simplicity,
Chamubil yakob I Hope I said that correctly, Shamoubil, good morning.
Nice to deal with us, very well, Francesca, thank you
very much. CNN's US Political Commentators says this is the
biggest economic policy era of our lifetime. What do you

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make of that statement?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Absolutely agree. We have experimented with tariffs in the eighteen
hundreds and the early nineteen hundreds. We really gave it
up around the world after the First World War because
we had the depression and we saw the extraordinary damage
that it does to our own people and to the
global economy. But we also don't know if those policies
will actually last the distance. There's just so much uncertainty

(05:59):
around what Trump will do, what other countries around the
world will do. And it's the uncertainty that's as big
a problem the policies themselves.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Is this uncharted territory for kiwisaber.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
It is unchatted. So if you recall kvsiver is very young,
it's only been around for a little while. The last
time we had a big financial market crash was doing
the Global Financial Crisis, and there was very early on,
so none of us really had much money in markets
back then. So it is the first test of it.
But also what we're seeing is the uncertainty and the
moves in the markets are probably as quick and as

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big as we saw when COVID first started.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
So Schomy Bill, what impact have we seen so far
in the day since Trump's announced these tariffs.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
We've seen extraordinary fall off in markets, so you know,
all of us will have our different investments and some
of them will be exposed to what's happening in financial
markets around the world, and equity markets to shares in particular,
have fallen pretty sharply, particularly in the US. They've done
about ten percent in the last few weeks, which is
a lot if you think about how much how hard
it is to save ten percent or grow your money

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by ten percent. When that kind of happens in a
very short period of time, that does have a very
big impact on our balances. But it is paper losses,
right because we haven't sold our shares yet, but on
paper it looks like we've gotten worse off.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
It doesn't help that we already sort of had a
volatile start to twenty twenty five, didn't We were already
seeing sort of drops and key we say, the balances
we had, but.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
It's on the back of very strong growth in markets
in recent years. We've had some spectacular years on the
back of pandemic. Surprisingly because we had so much stimulus,
so much money going around the economy, we actually got
a lot of very strong gains. But you're absolutely right.
This year has got enough to a bad start and
it hasn't gotten better in the in recent weeks.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
So how are providers reacting to the tariffs? What moves
are you making?

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well?

Speaker 4 (07:50):
For us at simplicity, it's really important that we stay
the course because our investment philosophy is quite simple. Our
view is that stick to markets, be patient, be low cost,
and on average you'll come out better off because history
shows us that we have more good years than bad years.
So if you can't time the market, because no one can,
then time in the market is what really matters. So

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we want to make sure that for our members that
they're in the right kind of funds because that's the
choice you can make. And number two, we keep on
making sure that we're still giving the best possible service
we can. It's very hard to predict these unpredictable things
and say that we're going to be making the right
pecks for you and make you rich in this environment.
I think that's a full errand, but.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's worth remembering that because you know, I mentioned this
to someone. I said, oh, you're worried about you keep
saving and they went, no, why would I be. I'm
not retiring for fifteen years. Markets go up and down,
you know. So, so I imagine that those who are
panicking and maybe looking at you know, hitting sixty five
or retiring in the next two to five years, I
could totally understand why it's a consumed for them. But
for the rest of us do we all just need

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to take a big, deep brief and go. Markets go up,
markets go down, it's the long game. Just sit here,
we'll get back to where we need to be.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Absolutely for those people who need money soon, either for
your retirement or because you've got a first home that
you want to buy and you want to access the deposit,
it's really important that you're in the right kind of fund.
So if you're in a conservative fund or a balance fund,
then you wouldn't have been affected nearly as much by
the big movements in equity markets because in most balance funds,

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for example, will have only sixty percent of their portfolio
in equities. The others will be in bonds and things
which haven't fallen much, if at all, so you would
have been quite protected. So there are two things that
we can decide as Kiy servers, which is around what
kind of fund are we in? Is that the right
risk for my needs. And the second one is how
much do I contribute? So as long as those two

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decisions are right, because it's retirement savings rather than short
term savings, you will be fine. Even though we have
this market folatively and they do feel scary, but if
you take the long view, the history tells us that
history doesn't repeat. By the rhymes and the historical experiences,
over the long run, you will come out better off.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
What if you are about to hit sixty five, though,
does that become harder to manage?

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Well, even if you're sixty five, you're probably going to
live for another thirty or forty years. The difficulty, of course,
is that you may not be contributing for that period
of time. So if you're getting older, if you're close
getting nearer your retirement age, it's really important that you're
in the right kind of fund. So if you think
you're going to need that money soon, you should not
be in an aggressive fund, and you should go and
speak to your financial advisor about this buying lunch. You'd

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be in a more balanced fund or a conservative fund,
depending on what your needs are. So that's the choice
you can make, and it gives you a huge amount
of protection, and it's really important that rather than trying
to time the market, we get the right kind of
fund that's right for you.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
There's a large amount of uncertainty around this isn't there
and how it plays out and how other countries are
going to react or even if you know how Trump
handles things going forward, does that make it harder for
providers here and managed funds?

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Absolutely, it makes it hard for everybody. And so if
you're trying to understand what's going on the world, just
even as an economist, I find it very uncertain because
Trump is extraordarly unpredictable. We don't know if it's actually
going to push through with all the tariffs that he
has announced in the form for the next however long
it might be. We have also seen the retaliation by
other countries, so China has imposed retailiatory tariffs, So we're

(11:25):
going to see this tit foot ted possibly escalating overcoming days, weeks,
and months, and that might have a really big impact
on countries like New Zealand because we trade so much
with China and the US. There are number one and
number two trading partners, so there is the kind of
direct economic effects as well as the impact on financial markets.
And again that's why at Simplicity we've taken that very

(11:46):
deliberate choice that rather than trying to make active decisions
around what we invest in in which stocks we invest in,
we want to be passive and as hands off as
possible because the market movements are by their definition unpredictable,
so we want to make sure that what we're doing
instead is giving people the right exposures without adding cost

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and judgments which might lead us astray.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
What about mortgage rates, what impact might all this have
on them?

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Well, it's a little bit unpredictable, but my view is
that given the increase uncertainty in the world, we will
see the reserve Band continuing to cut interest rates, which
at the margin will put pressure downward pressure on mortgage rates. Now,
the only sort of spanner in the works for people
who would like to go out and buy something is
when things are uncertain, banks become less confident to lend

(12:36):
you money, so it might be harder to get the mortgage.
But at the margin, I think what we will see
as a result of the trade war is that interest
rates on the margin will be lower than otherwise, and
mortgage rates will be lower than otherwise.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Okay, I saw your comments yesterday that you thought a
new club of countries would form around trade out of
all this. Can you explain that to me?

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Absolutely? Because America has essentially become an unreliable partner after
being essentially the architect of the global order, the Western
Alliance that was built after the Second World War, where
they really promoted free trade, rules based order and all
those kinds of things, and now essentially Trump has done
away with that. But a lot of the other countries,

(13:20):
like US, like Europe, like UK like Japan, Korea, a
lot of these countries have actually benefited massively from free
and open trade. And I think we're going to find
a parallel track of countries strengthening the ties on the
back of this, and we should because we know that
trade that has significant benefits, we have benefited massively from it.

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If America is not going to be involved, how can
we find another way of doing things where we have
deeper ties and even less friction in trade. So then
this disruption that we're seeing coming from America can at
least be moderated by these other places, and quite often
it's going to be just strengthening out existing free trade agreements,

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and we've got some fabulous quality free trade agreements in
New Zealand. Really about using the excellent talent that we
have in our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade to
go how can we negotiate even better things. So we're
getting closer to those a parallel block of countries that
still believe in a world that's free of friction when
it comes to trade, so.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
It would be important for us to go with them.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I think this is one chance there's a wind of
opportunity where we either take the wrong track of going
down the protectionist path, which would serve New Zealand very badly,
or we choose the path of continuing our leadership of
rules based open trade that New Zealand has participated in
pretty much over the course of the last eighty years.
I think that is our strength, that is our brand,

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that is our reputation. I think we should lean into
it because it will be a benefit for New Zealand
consumers and exporters.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Shalmi Bill, thank you so much for your time this morning.
Really appreciated that was chief economist. The key we save
it provided simplicity. Shami Bill Jakob. Can you hear your
thoughts on what he had to say there, especially when
he was talking at the end about if there was
a club of countries that would form a you know,
who were interested in free trade, and continuing it on
would you like to see New Zealand part of that?

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B and Enjoining me now, New Zealand Herald political reporter
Jamie Enzil, Good morning, Jamie, good morning.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
How are you.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm very good, Thank you. We've just been talking about
Trump and tariffs and discussing whether the New Zealand should
really sort of team up with other countries who are
interested in free trade. But the response from the government
this week has just been softly, softly, we're just kind
of letting the dust settle, really, aren't we? Would that
be fair?

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah, that is true. No one in the government was
overly surprised when we were hit by those tariffs. You were,
President Donal Trump's always been clear since his election campaign
that he saw tariffs as a way of restoring American industry,
I guess and manufacturing in the Prime Minister made a
point that even if we don't agree with these tariffs,
and we don't, you know, the American people did vote

(16:14):
for Donald Trump, and here's a mandate to take those actions.
But while there wasn't much surprise, there was a little
bit of confusion and uncertainty around the beehive regarding what
exactly those tariffs entailed. You know, government ministers, like the
general public had to wait until Thursday morning and watch
TV to see what rate was going to be applied.
Wasn't also very clear exactly how the Trump administration had

(16:36):
done some of its calculations, or whether that ten percent
tariff was going to be stacked on other tariffs. But
Trade Minister Tom McLay and the Prime Minister, we weren't
going to outright criticize the Trump administration. Look, even though
we're a close partner of the US, like other countries,
we didn't get a sneak peek of what was coming.

(16:57):
We aren't going to retaliate. The Prime Minister noted that
that would only increase prices here and pump up inflation,
and government clearly doesn't want that. What's The main message
coming from the government was that New Zealand's done as
well as anyone else, and our exporters in the long
term still see value in the US market. It's our
second largest trading partners. It's not one that can be

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just easily dismissed. And in terms of how it might
affect our goal of doubling export values, the government's been
pointing to the range of other free trade agreements we've
got with other countries and saying this is why the
Prime Minister is going out into the world too, places
like India, to try and diversify our trade portfolio.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Is it a concern though, because economic growth is at
the top of the priority list for the government, doesn't
it Yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:42):
It kind of, I guess contrasts with what the government's
trying to do. On the one hand, the government's saying
this is our main thing, but they're now one of
our biggest partners is putting in an agenda that goes
against that. So yeah, the government's going to have to
be pretty careful of how it responds to this, and
that's probably why you saw this week nothing major coming
from them. They want to take their.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Time, very sensible on Friday, the Justice Select Committee recommended
that the dead on Arrival Treaty principles built should not proceed.
What has the reaction been to this?

Speaker 5 (18:10):
Yeah, it feels like we've been talking about this thing
for a very long time and like you said, it's
only just been reported back on by Parliament's Justice Select Committee.
Now the report, and I guess the reaction to it
hasn't really been too surprising. No one's going to be
shocked that the Greens called it an international embarrassment or
party mold he said it misunderstood the history of the treaty,

(18:31):
or Labour said it was just a waste of time.
But the response from the act Party has been quite interesting.
David Seymour is not backing down. He says that there
wasn't a strong argument to put forward against the legislation,
and he's also still disputing that the publics against the bill.
There were more than three hundred thousand submissions, it's the
largest ever received to all one bill. Ninety percent were opposed,

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But David Seymour says the submission process on high profile
pieces of legislation like this one aren't always representative of
the wider public and despite all the opposition. He still
thinks it's a success. So look, this will go back
to the House for a second reading, where National New
Zealand First will finally be free of those coalition commitments

(19:14):
and have the opportunity to vote it down.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
And Jamie, we saw more controversy for the Greens Party
around Green MP Benjamin Doyle and some of his social
media posts. We have we wrapped this up or do
you think we'll be more on this this week?

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Potentially more on it this week. Doyle has been away
from Parliament for the past a few days after receiving
death threats. Now, the Green Party couldn't provide me with
an update on Friday in terms of whether they will
return to the House next week, but you can expect
that whenever Doyle does return, and he is a taxpayer
funded MP, so there will be some questions to ask

(19:48):
about the appropriateness of these posts that have been circulated.
They come from a private Instagram account that Doyle was
using prior to entering Parliament and they included some posts
that had what one may see as sexually suggestive comments
alongside an image of Doyle's child. Now, the Green Party
did come out as you would note pretty fiercely in

(20:11):
defense of Doyle, saying, look, the specific term used by
the MP is often used by some subsets of the
Rainbow community in an reverend or absurdist manner and needed
to be seen in context. But what exactly that context was,
or what Doyle was trying to say wasn't really clearly
spelled out by the Green Party. It's also come under

(20:31):
a bit of attack for suggesting that these types of
terms are used flippantly within the Rainbow community, something that
some in the community have found offensive. So there will
definitely be some questions going forward.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
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next model making at its finest. We are off to
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to meet the man behind these models. I'll explain everything
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Speaker 3 (21:09):
It is twenty four to ten ghosts of christ Church
past are currently on display in an exhibition of many
replica buildings made by artist Ghostcat. The replicas are scale
models of the city's former buildings, some of which were
destroyed in the twenty eleven earthquake. The exhibition is called
Ghosts on Every Corner. The artist's ghost Cat is also
known as Mike Beer and he joins me now, good

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to have you with us, Mike, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
How's it going good?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
This project? It is extraordinary. I haven't seen these in person,
but I have looked at the photos. How did this
project come about for you?

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Oh? Wow? So this has been like a four year
project now, so it's been a long time in the making.
But initially I'd had like my very first exhibition as
an artist here, and I've built like a really iconic
place called the Volcano bar Lava caf that was in Littleton.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I am soluteliar with it, would you believe?

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Yeah? Yeah, Bill Hammond used to frequent that place. It's
got some old stories. But it was like this kind
of bright yellow and blue building in Littleton, and I
just built it without any internal It was just the
external of the build And it was interesting on the
opening night watching people kind of share their stories and
talk about their experiences just from this one establishment. How

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many stories are created from this? So I was like, Oh,
there's something in this. And so I was kind of like,
I've always been a big fan of like nostalgia and
you know, our memories and the things that they kind
of evoke in us. So I'm like, do you know what,
I'm going to do a book? And then like four
years later, Yeah, this kind of project kind of is here.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's amazing. How did you come up with the name
for the exhibition?

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (22:43):
I had loads of different names, some weird ones, but
then something just I had this idea of like how
places can be gone because we lost a lot of
these places after the earthquake, but how the memory can
still exist like a ghost. So it's kind of like
an the corner represents where the buildings were kind of thing.
So yeah, that's where the name came from.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
And then how did you choose what buildings to make
riplicas of? Did you have to have a person connection
to them more?

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (23:08):
Well, I mean I've been you can tell from my
terrible accent. I'm from Birmingham, so I'm not originally from
christ Church, but I've been here like twenty years and
essentially we had like forty or fifty builds that we've
got and we need to narrow them down. So what's
been great at those projects. It's been really collective and
collaborative in and around people from christ Church getting their stories,
people that own these places, people that kind of grew

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up around these places, and we kind of narrowed it
down from that. So in a sense, it's not just
been me being oh, well, i'll choose this place because
it's very biased opinion. It's essentially been like it's been
narrowed down from talking to lots of people throughout the community,
which has been great.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Mike. These models are so intricate, and if you take
a look at the Smith's bookshop, I mean it has
tiny books inside. I can kind of see the liver
boxes and side. I mean, how long did it take
for you to build these models?

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Well, that build, I think I lost the will to
live towards in the making that because.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
It was like, honestly, yeah, oh my lord.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
I mean it's been great, but just like those those
things have been really kind of like I wanted that
level of detail. But like in Smith's, I think there's
just under five thousand individual books. I've got some help
from some people, but that was that was It's just
a labor and love. I mean, obviously, I've been so
passionate about this that I've wanted it to get to
a point where people when they come through they can
look inside the window and see that level of detail

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and like almost like be transported back to that time
without sounding cheesy, as kind of the impact it's had,
which has been amazing.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
What are they made out of?

Speaker 6 (24:42):
Oh, lots of different things from MDF case border me.
It's called scratch building. So it's like model making, but
you're you're using lots of different materials from normal stuff
like MDF to you know, I'll have stuff from the Echo.
I saw our stript wiring and stuff out of video players,
and you can use that for suff So you use
all sorts of weird and wonderful stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
I think at one point you were struggling to make
lace curtain, so you use.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
Toilet p Yeah, yeah, I used tissue toilet paper, which
is really classy, but I mean it worked.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
You know, it's scale.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
I tried so many different things, but it was just
like oh man, and then tried toilet paper. I was like, oh,
that actually looks like net curtain. So yeah, loads of
loads of different and different stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
The exhibition is now at the christi At Center, but
it started off inside the cathedral. What was it like
to have these riplicas of old buildings displayed inside the cathedral?

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Well, I think it was amazing that let us use
that space, and I think it evoked again, like lots
of different emotions because that was a space people hadn't
been in since the earthquakes. So the way we ran
it was it was throughout the day because of regulations,
you can only have fifty people in our time with
like their hard hats and high vis and so it
was just it was quite an emotional day because it's

(25:55):
that connection of people. Obviously the understanding of what happened
to is with the earthquakes and being in that space
was quite emotional. But then also remembering the places we
used to have, So it was a really interesting day.
But it was incredible and incredible space to use, which
has been great.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Mike, are you still making models or are you just
enjoying taking a little bit of a break at the moment.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
Well, I'm at this exhibition space for another four and
a half weeks. So I promised my daughter a holiday,
So I think I'm going to go away for a
bit another break.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Sounds like a good idea. Mike, thank you so much
for joining us this morning. Really nice to talk to you.
Ghosts on Every Corner is on now until the end
of the month at christ Church Arts Center. And look,
if you can't get to christ Church, just go online
and google it Ghost of Christis. You will see some
of the photos and you'll see what we're talking about.
Just how intricate these models are. It almost makes you

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want to start model making yourself. And then you hear
Mike going almost lost the world to live, and you go,
I think I'll just leave it to the experts. It
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Speaker 3 (28:08):
So after a couple of low key introspective albums, Ed
Sheeran is returning to his roots. He's getting back into
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we go for those of you who love the pop
version of Ed Sharan right, it is a game that's
got the celebrities hooked, David Beckham's Serena Williams, al macpherson.
I've even heard Wills and cap Iran on the action.
But it's not just the celebs. Paddle is said to
be the fastest growing sport worldwide and this Friday, New
Zealand is going to host its very first national Paddle

(28:51):
Tournament series. To talk us through the sport, Johnny Errington
from governing body Paddle New Zealand is with me this morning.
Thanks for your time, Johnny Kona, thank you for Hey
what is peddle?

Speaker 7 (29:06):
So paddle, like many great sports, has a bit of
a story behind it. It was started by a Mexican
in the late late sixties who was a tennis fanatic
and he didn't have space for a tennis court, so
he built He built his own custom made court. It
happened to be near the end of a cliff, as
it happens, and so he didn't want the balls running

(29:28):
off it, so he created these different sides. So paddle
combined the best elements of other racket sports like tennis
and squash in an enclosed space, so it's slightly smaller
than a regular tennis court. The court is made of
three meter high tempered glass panels and at the back
walls there are steel mesh fencing, so you can use
that like you do in squash. It's really addictive and

(29:51):
it is really accessible, a very sociable sport. But yeah,
it's really catching on really quick Francesco, and seems to
have accelerated over the last few years and we're really
excited to help its growth here in in Alida and
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
What is making the sports so popular?

Speaker 7 (30:10):
Well, I think there are a few things that The
first is that it's easy to learn, hard to master,
but definitely easy to learn, and that means that it
can appeal to people of different ages, fitness, or skill levels.
So you can come from a racquetball sport such as
tennis or squash, or having no background at all in sports,

(30:32):
but want to really get into kind of a social
setting and also look after your well being. So that's
kind of theirs the second part of the social aspect,
and it really is catching on.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
The difference to pickleball, which is also very popular, is
pickleball you don't use the sides of the court.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
Is that right, No, that's right. So with pickleball, yeah,
you use something similar to a tennis court. The ball
is harder and you use you use bats with paddle
the rackets are substantially different from tennis rackets. They're made

(31:11):
from composite materials with perforated surfaces, so they're ergonomically designed
and that allows for airflow. But because the racket is
shorter than the tennis racket, it's much easier to control.
So the balls are similar but slightly smaller and less pressurized,
and that makes the bounds of the ball slightly less
than a tennis ball, slowing the game down and therefore

(31:31):
more accessible and easier to play.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
How accessible is it? I mean how many clubs and
courts do we hea around the country?

Speaker 7 (31:38):
Yeah, So there's been a real acceleration Francesco over the
last few years, and we are seeing and we're hearing
from other sports actually that twenty twenty five is the
year of paddle here in New Zealand. So there was
a strong start to the year with the showcase at
the ASP Classic up here in Tammachy mccador in Auckland

(32:01):
by Julian who runs the Pacific Paddle Clubs. So New
Zealand had its first two paddle courts open in late
twenty twenty three. We now have six open, with another
seven opening in twenty twenty five, and it's looking like
by the end of the year we're going to have
around twenty five courts across the country.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
So if you've never played tennis, so you've never played squash,
is this the sport for you? Is there something? As
you said, it's easy to learn. Will you be able
to get your here around it and draw it quite quickly?

Speaker 7 (32:31):
Most most definitely, I mean it's really accessible for anyone,
you know, from youngsters that we see at the tennis
club's I'm a member of a tennis club over here
on the north shore of Auckland, to you know, those
that are playing in their late sixty seventies. So any
person can pick up a racket. It's reasy, really easy

(32:51):
to grab on to. You know, even Storms, who the
hip hop artist, was saying in his Brick acceptance speech
that he is a paddle player. So as I mentioned,
you know, you don't have to be a you know,
a professional sports player. And we're really looking forward to
the tournament and that's got the end of this week.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
How much interest have you ahead in that?

Speaker 7 (33:13):
Yeah, a lot. I mean we sold out spaces very
quickly within two weeks. We just have a few more
spots in the women's grade. And so if there's an
opportunity for people to come along, sign up at www.
Dot Paddle New Zealand, dot org, dot NZ forward slash
Paddle in New Zealand Tour twenty twenty five and the
tournament is part of the tour, so we will have

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a number of tournaments throughout this year and we will
have an annual tour and it counts towards the ranking system,
so you will be able to get a rank. But
it's not just for those that are A grade players.
It's a grade B grade and we're really welcome people
to come along and just watch. That's really key for us.
We're really hoping that this really sparks an interest across

(33:56):
the country. The location of this one is in Torona,
eleventh to the thirteenth, Tony and rachel Or, the owners
of the Paddle Club in papal Moa in Tooly far
Too Street, and then there'll be a couple of others
during the year. We're hoping later on July, around July,

(34:16):
around November, Wellington, So paddle Houses open an indoor facility,
fantastic facility down in Wellington and then back up to
Tamackey mccordo welcomed in November. We're helping.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Oh, fantastic And look, Johnny, just asking for a friend.
If your needs are giving up the ghost of it
running around a tennis court is pedal? Is pedal for you?

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (34:36):
Pad most definitely is? I mean for Yeah, I was
huked immediately when I started playing a few years ago.
And yeah, it's one of those that is very sociable.
You know, you get along with your friends and work colleagues.
And as I mentioned, it is is accelerating as far
as the number of courts are concerned, and so we're

(34:58):
seeing a lot of social events and social clubs popping up. Yeah,
we're really excited, actually frantastic, and really appreciate you're giving
us the time to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Well, look, I'm glad that we've worked out exactly what
paddle is and we've distinguished it from pickleball and things. Johnny,
best of luck with the very first national tournament series.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
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Speaker 3 (35:24):
Just that thin you know. Yesterday Louise and me on
The Little Things released a new podcast. We were talking
about grief and it was a wonderful conversation that we
had with a very special person, doctor Denise Quinlan, who
was the director of the New Zealand Institute of Well
Being in Resilience and co founder of Coping with Loss.

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And look, if you know anyone who is experiencing grief
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is and you're trying to work out how to support them.
Maybe someone you work with is returning to work after
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(36:04):
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(36:27):
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Speaker 1 (36:42):
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Speaker 3 (36:51):
The gorgeous and talented Alyssa's Eilis is with me next.
She is the co founder and singer of The Naked
and the Famous. The band is taking a hiatus and
so she has gone solo and this week she has
just released her first solo album. She is going to
join me to talk about going it alone and how
her fascinating childhood has made her the woman she is today.

(37:13):
That's coming up next year on the Sunday Session on
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Speaker 10 (39:15):
Hi Science Time.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Thanks you're with the Sunday Session. And this is the
brand new single Alone with You from La based Kiwi
born singer songwriter Alyssa's Ileth. Alyssa was of course the

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lead singer and founder of band The Naked and Famous,
but with the band on hiatus, Alyssa is out on
her own and on Friday, she released her debut solo album,
it's called Slow Crush and Alyssa joins me Now I'
from Los Angeles, Melissa's ilith, good morning, Thank you for joining.

Speaker 10 (40:04):
Us, hill Go, Happy to be here.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
It's been a big week, hasn't it.

Speaker 10 (40:09):
It's been a massive week, It's been It's been a
weird first Q one over the year. I'd say it's
just a very polarizing time where things are happening that
are worth celebrating but also worth commiserating, and it's just

(40:31):
holding space for both sides of the coin and it's
just a strange dichotomy to walk every day. But we're here.
You just have to live life.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
We are here, and we're going to take a moment
to celebrate your album because I think it was December
twenty twenty one that you released your first solo single,
so it has actually been over three years that you've
been on this sort of solo journey and now the
debut full length album is out. It's a bit of
a milestone, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (41:03):
It's a massive milestone. I mean this album, just looking
back at the time that it was made and the
songs that came out of it over the last few
years of writing. So many of these songs sit at
the intersection of my girlhood going into womanhood, and it's

(41:26):
really cool to kind of commemorate memories and experiences my
life that have happened while also growing into this artist
that I am becoming, which is strange when you're someone
like me, with the history that I have and the

(41:49):
amount of experience I already carry with me from being
in the music industry, everything feels really new right now.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
So what have you got out of going solo or
learnt about yourself?

Speaker 10 (42:02):
I think I learned I was talking about this. I
actually speak about this quite a lot with young artists
that I might be doing songwriting sessions with.

Speaker 11 (42:12):
Is.

Speaker 10 (42:12):
I learned how to build up my own kind of
vocabulary for communicating what kind of sonic palette, sounds, ideas
I wanted to articulate into a room to somebody who
might not necessarily have knowledge or understanding of me as

(42:35):
an artist and where I want to go. And learning
my own vocabulary outside of the one that I had
been speaking for years and years and years and years.
That was the most important to me, because I was
able to move through rooms and communicate articulate. I would like,

(42:58):
does he sounding guitars that sound like the Smiths and
the chord progressions to just shimmer, and I want my
vocals to be more conned. I don't want to be
I want to kind of move away from what I've
been known for because that's unexplored territory for me. I
want to learn how to be soft in my femininity
because that feels like something that I really need right

(43:19):
now to fortify myself and this project. So just being
able to speak this language and claiming my vision and
claiming the softness and femininity that I was really wanting
was massive, because in my band days it was just like, ya,

(43:42):
what do you boys feel like doing?

Speaker 12 (43:43):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (43:44):
Yeah, that's cool. I guess I could do that. Yeah,
I'll try it. You know, it's just so different.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
It is different, and you don't want to be the
person that walks into the room going, look, I know
what I want, I just can't quite explain it or
I know what I I know what I where I
kind of want to go, but I'll know when I
hear it. It is quite important to be able to,
as you say, you're on your own now and to
express what you want, yeah, you want to part.

Speaker 10 (44:13):
The songwriting part like familiar to me. I can talk
about what I want to write about, but being on
my own journey and not having like a producer that
can telepathically understand my taste, I would have to communicate
that and articulate it clearly enough so that the person
in the room with me is like, I totally get you,

(44:35):
you know, because there have been so many rooms that
I've walked into where I hadn't done that, and I
walk away with a song at the end of the
day that just doesn't feel very aligned with with what
I want to make because I just went kind of
went along with I was too easygoing in a sense
and not specific enough. So I've grown a lot in
the sense that I learned. I've developed a new language

(44:58):
for myself when it comes to making music and sound design.
And you know, I'm not a producer, so I feel
like it it's very important to be able to communicate
that kind of all of your ideas clearly to somebody
who can be like, oh, I get you.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
And our listeners are probably picking up from this conversation
that the sound on this album is quite different and
I'm wondering is this just another side to you as
an artist, or do you think the work represents is
a little bit more of a genuine representation of who
you are as an artist.

Speaker 10 (45:34):
I think it's a genuine At this point in time
with what I've made, I think it is a pretty
genuine representation because I go back to feeling like I'm
thirteen years old again. I'm sitting in my bedroom writing
songs on my guitar, and there's like a singer songwriter
element to a lot of the songs on this record,

(45:59):
and with how they were started or how they were written.
And then there are things there's like sonic Palette. There's
guitars were that were inspired by The Strokes because I'm
a massive Strokes fan, so you might hear a little
bit of that guitar, really cool guitar sounds. It kind

(46:19):
of come across and the song kissed me like I'm
so in love, And then you know there's always stacked
vocal harmonies and lush vocals that it's just like an
amalgamation of like all the things I love about making
music that make me feel really good and excited. And yeah,

(46:45):
I think it's all over this all over this album.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
You're a bit of a sneaky thing. I believe that
you ran away and got married last year eloped in California?
Is that right?

Speaker 13 (46:55):
I did?

Speaker 10 (46:57):
It wasn't actic time. I eloped in Big Sir, which
is on the coast of California. Gorgeous sunrise ceremony on
this cliff side overlooking the ocean called Painter's Point. It
was just myself, my husband, the Efficient, his mum, and

(47:19):
a photographer. It was an our dog and that happens.
We got married on our dating anniversary November one, which
also happened to be the real lease date for Ordinary Love,
which is a song inspired by me finding a stable,

(47:41):
secure relationship and this partnership that I'm in has healed
so many parts of me. It's just it's the most
healthy partnership I've ever had, and as a result, I've
become a version of myself that I just really love.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
It's so good to hear, and I wanted to mention
the wedding because this is an album filled with a
lot of stories about love and relationships and finding yourself
and and some beautiful tributes there. As you say to
this relationship that you're in now, I also read though
that you've you talked about a songwriting tip that you
came across about how you don't always have to be

(48:23):
the good guy in your songwriting. What impact did that
have on on your work?

Speaker 10 (48:29):
I think it would just I think it's just I naturally,
naturally write about like heartache and love and ah and heartbreak.
And when I read that tip, I was like, Oh,
I've never really painted myself as like the bad guy
in a song before, and it just like opened up

(48:49):
a new world of writing perspectives and playing with other
writing perspectives and I just kind of dove in a
bit more and I think maybe maybe that will, you know,
my next project, it'll be something that I get to
discover a bit more. And you know, I wrote writes
stories from the perspectives of other people, other stories. Yeah

(49:11):
at the angles, Yeah, that was really cool. But when
I wrote that, I came home my husband, who hears
every single song I wrote, Like, He's like, oh, so,
do you what's the song about. I'm like, oh, maybe
something that a confrontation, something that I did in the past.
He's like, Oh, I'm still thinking about that, are you?

(49:36):
He's not still not over there? Are you, I'm like, well,
what can you do? You married a songwriter?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
But this is this is And I know it's a
real cliche when people talk about that, you know, writing
music is a way to navigate our way through the
world and cope with things, or to make sense of things,
or to process things. But it is true, isn't it.
And I actually think it's a huge gift. It's why
everyone tells us we have to journal, you know, But
I think it's a huge gift if you can turn

(50:03):
it into something that you can share and that people
can resonate with. And you mentioned something at the beginning
of this interview about your life and the experiences you've had,
and it has been a really interesting upbringing that you've had,
Elissa with. Your parents were refugees, they left, they fled
the Vietnam War, You lost your mum when you were young.

(50:26):
Does that have an impact on who you've become as
an artist and also drive you to do what you
do today?

Speaker 10 (50:36):
Absolutely, it's the way I think, looking back at it,
it was a way of me kind of just coping
and getting out of my head, you know, busy, Like
if if you're anxious, usually if you do something with
your hands and your voice. It kind of just gets

(50:59):
you out of your body and gets you moving forward
through your day. And I think I learned that at
a very very young age without realizing it. I love singing.
I loved learning how to sing Mariah Carey songs, leaned
the On songs like those aren't just casual singing song.
But I realized I loved singing those kinds of songs

(51:19):
because singing out like that is somatic and it's healing.
And being a little seven eight year old girl, I
was just always gravitating towards singing groups and choirs because
it made me feel good. And I didn't realize why
at the time, but now it was because it was
a way of healing from the kind of difficulties I

(51:40):
was living through my daily home life. And writing music
and turning to music, it's just you just feel, really
I felt really connected to something higher than myself, and
it's kind of spiritual in a sense. And I just think,
for whatever reason, I've just always chased wanting to do

(52:02):
music because there's nothing else in life that gave me
that kind kind of healing kind of feeling and wanted
to and passion to continue just living, you know. So, yeah,
I think music was really really important for me growing.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Up, and it's taken you to so many incredible places
and given you so many opportunities. I saw that you
were singing back up on Jimmy Fallon last year. I mean,
is that just is that just because you're in LA
and these are the kind of opportunities that can arise
and you can take.

Speaker 10 (52:34):
Yeah, honestly, it's just that was just a proximity thing.
That was because like I knew the MD and he
messaged me. It was like, Hey, what are you doing.
I need some background singers for this Fellon gig with
floss of people. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I know
those guys, and and I walked I walked into the

(52:55):
rehearsal room and I was like, oh, Lisa, he plays
keyboards and drums. So I had no idea it was
gonna be you walking through the door. I'm like, what's up,
I'm singing in the band. Who's like, it's an absolute
honor to have you, like, and we just caught up
about life and it was like a strange, little full

(53:19):
circle moment, you know, because they fast of the people
were coming up and naked and famous of coming up
and you know, they're having another windfall in their career
and I'm kind of like beginning another branch of it,
and it was it was really cool.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Now, is there a tour coming with this new album?

Speaker 10 (53:38):
Yeah, there's gonna be a tour in North America with
an awesome band who I'm opening for. They called Sunday
nineteen ninety four and they're one of my favorite new
bands and their tour is called the Debut Tour, and
I feel like it's just perfect jumping on with them
because it's also my debut tour. And I'm really excited

(54:04):
about it because the people that are going are going
because they have found a new band that they love
and they want and seek out new music. So it's
just like the perfect first tour for me.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
And that sounds lovely. But what about a tour back here?

Speaker 10 (54:22):
I would love to give it, And you know what,
I'm going to time it with. I'll try to time
it with renewing my visa and I'm going to have
to leave the country and come back home. So if
there's a way where we can kind of streamline it,
that would be like the perfect the perfect.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Timing fingers crossed with the visa and fingers look and
congratulations on the album. It's so exciting. It's a beautiful album.
I'm absolutely loving it. Enjoy enjoy this release.

Speaker 10 (54:52):
Yeah, I am. I will thank you so much for
having me.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
That was Alyssa Zaidith. Her debut solo album, Slow Crush
is out now and don't forget my guests after eleven
as Entrepreneurs Simon Squibb talking about his collaboration with Richard
Branson to help make people's dreams come true. It is
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It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wickles for
the best selection of great readings used talks.

Speaker 11 (55:19):
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Wickles knows that every so often a book comes along
which takes the world by storm. They're books which hit
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Craze from a few years ago, and now the Let
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confidence and mindset, and she says, if you've ever felt overwhelmed,

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Speaker 3 (56:30):
And we're starting our entertainment segment today with a little
bit of emm because Slim Shady is officially a grandpa.
So his daughter, Hayley Jade, took to Instagram just this
morning to announce the arrival of her baby boy. She's
a podcaster and influencer. She posted two photos of her baby,

(56:51):
born on March fourteenth, and a little knitted outfit which
is very cute, although it just makes me feel a
bit old thinking that Eminem is now a grandfather. Steve Neil,
from editor at Flex dot cot and Z joins me, Now,
good morning.

Speaker 14 (57:05):
Good morning, I I join your hearty congratulations to mister
m There we go.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
He new film at the box office. It's called A
Working Man. Stars Jason Statham doing what he does best.

Speaker 14 (57:20):
Exactly having a job is what he does best. Statham's
been a mechanic, he's been a farmer, he's been a beekeeper,
he's been a diver, a driver, a.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Transporter, many talents.

Speaker 14 (57:32):
I was a construction worker, but it's Jason Stathams. So
he's a construction worker with a.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Secret bast that's correct. That involves being very good at
fighting his way out of any situation. And in this
particular case, he has to go on the hunt for
his the family that he works for, the daughter is kidnapped,
and he decides doesn't need to try and help them out.
Absolutely so.

Speaker 14 (57:57):
His last film for director David Ayer, The Beekeeper, which
was a real treat of twenty twenty four, like a big, silly,
preposterous action film. The villains there were scammers and fishes,
like the sort of guys that try and rip you
off down the phone or on the computer, and here
they are human traffickers. So it's really just sort of

(58:18):
ticking off the different distinct groups of baddies, along with.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
The different jobs, quite different films. When it comes to
the enjoyment factor, I would.

Speaker 14 (58:27):
Suggest, and for some audiences still, Sylvester Stallone's Fingerprints would
be a good thing. It's probably to the detriment of
this film. He bought the novel this is based on
and developed it. You can probably sense that it could
be a Sylvester Stallone film. The idea of this construction
worker with a heart of gold, with a strong moral
code who dust off his long, his long absent past

(58:53):
to become an action guy. Some of the sort of
moralizing this film is very sly, but the main reason
I bring it up actually is that this makes Statham
the most recent victim of local drama tr which has
been just continues to have seen off competition at the
box office week after week after week since it opened,
currently sitting umber six on the all time list of

(59:14):
highest grossing films, having overtaken so On His Wedding, Teena's
Beaten a Workingman, Disney snow White, Captain America Bridget Jones,
like the Run has not just been a very successful
and well timed release, but a lot of Hollywood heavyweights
have been bested week to week, and I think deservingly

(59:35):
so I reckon too. It's probably going to come to
an end. Though the Minecraft movie has opened internationally. This
is doing enormous box office in the US. It has
tracking even bigger than people thought it would be.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
So I think going into the school holidays it'll do.

Speaker 13 (59:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (59:50):
I think we all know the power of Minecraft on
children and the accompanying pester power that that could create.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Well put Look, you mentioned a while back that fire
Fest two is going to happen. Is it still on track?

Speaker 14 (01:00:05):
Yeah, it's a good question. So Billy McFarland, who's the
You can't see my air quotes because it's radio, but
air quotes genius behind Firefest. Back in twenty seventeen did
jail Time. This was the festival that was on a
beautiful island with a great lineup and people turned up
and they couldn't even have food, so it was a

(01:00:28):
huge disaster. But he has been promising to stage a
makeup event to help clean up his own image, but
also to help repay the twenty six million dollars that
he owes in restitution for the first event. But what's
the most recent development here is he's having a public
argument with Mexican government officials after they announced the event

(01:00:51):
wasn't happening, and so they're kind of having a slight
sort of tit for tat post for post. So McFarland's
now issued a statement of his own and put out
a whole bunch of documents and emails that he says
proves the events happening. There's still no lineup announced, because
that's just the way this event rolls. I think it
wouldn't be a mistake to think that people would be

(01:01:11):
curious to go to a fire festival too. But if
you were thinking about it, you might want to sort
of just do a bit of research. Check out these
most recent news reports.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Oh look, it's just a great story. I mean, it
was the film Fire, which I think is on Netflix,
isn't it? Yes, the Greatest Party that Never happened? If
it is worth a watch. It is just a great
entertainment story, and it just is the story that keeps
on giving. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 14 (01:01:33):
And you know, in a market like ours, we've seen
festivals falling over here through you know, not as overtly
fraudulent activities, and maybe not fraudulently or but you can
see how the impact on a lot of ticket buyers
can hurt. It's kind of nice to watch an absurd
version of this, and I guess sort of see why
some of the policies and rules we have a place

(01:01:54):
around ticketing are there for a reason. Speaking of ticketing, though,
just in case you are thinking about going to fire Festival,
these are US dollar prices, or just running through some
of the pricing. Tickets for five two start at fourteen
hundred dollars a piece for a four day pass that
doesn't include affairs or hotel, and goes twenty five thousand
dollars for artist passes, which I presume means you get

(01:02:15):
to hang out backstage with all the artists who are
supposedly playing. And on the high end that wasn't the
high end. On the high end, you can also purchase
a one million dollar package for eight people that has
luxury villas, a private marina with high end yachts, and
a private jet.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah, I think I'll give it a miss steep.

Speaker 14 (01:02:34):
All right, Well, well you won't be one of the
seven people I take on the one million dollar package
to fire House.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
If you do, and you no, no, come back to
me on that.

Speaker 14 (01:02:45):
You're great okay, just I think bring your own sandwich.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Thank you so much. Step right, have you got a
scratch that needs itching? Turns out you might be doing
more than just getting relief from a scratch, Doctor Michelle
Dickinson looks at the power of the scratch. Next here
on news Talks Ebach, it's this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
And joining me now is doctor Michelle to concern with
our Science study of the week. A good morning, Michelle,
good morning. So this is really interesting what you've discovered
about scratching, or what some scientists have discovered about scratching.

Speaker 15 (01:03:25):
I'm always amazed at what we don't know and then
it's so obvious. So for those who want to read
this at home, this is published in the journal Science.
Its open source, you can read it. It's a lovely study.
But previously, up until this study, we always thought that
we scratch to remove irritantce. So maybe an insect has
landed on your arm this and thus maybe you've touched

(01:03:46):
the leaf that was you were allergic to until you
try and scratch the allergen out. But these scientists said, well,
if that was true, then you would stop scratching once
that irritant had gone. Okay, so you've got the bug off,
then you stop scratching. But we don't because anybody who's
had a mosquito bite nose that even if the mosquito
has gone, you are still scratching, which which made them

(01:04:06):
think maybe we scratch for another reason. That that's what
this study is all about. And to do this study, sadly,
it was a mice study, and some of these mice
did not have a good day. So what they did
is they applied a substance to the ears of mice
that induced an itchy contact dermatitis to their ears. And
half of those mice were fine, They could scratch freely,

(01:04:27):
and they were studied. Half of the mice suddenly had
to wear a tiny little head collar. You know when
you take your pet to the there and they've got
those little Elizabethan collars. One of those, a tiny one
made for mice, which meant that they couldn't scratch their ears.
And so even though they had itchy ears, there was
nothing they could do. And they studied these mice, and
the mice that could scratch freely developed swelling in their ears.

(01:04:50):
Their ears swelled up, and that was because their immune
response basically kicked in, so there was a rush of
immune cells to their ears they called neutrophils at the
site they were scratching at their ears. Interestingly, the little
mice with the colors on that couldn't scratch there is
didn't swell up and there was very little inflammation. And
that's sort of what's important about this study because what

(01:05:13):
they found is if you scratch your skin, what you
do is you activate a neuron and this neuron releases
a powerful neurochemical they call it substance P in this paper.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
And this wakes up massed.

Speaker 15 (01:05:28):
Cells and these are immune cells that basically play a
key role in allergic reactions. And so what's happening is
as you're scratching, you're actually kicking off an immune response
in your body to help try and get rid and
attack anything that might be at that site, which is
why their ear swelled up. That's why when you scratch
your mossy bites, your sort of arm swells up a
little bit if it's on your arm. Now why is

(01:05:49):
that important, Well, what they found is that by kicking
in your immune response and your immune response, which is
part of your white blood cells is what kills anything
that's nasty around you. They're able to actually measure that
they were getting dangerous bacteria at the skin, killing it
and keeping it at bay. So not only were the
scratching mice allowed to scratch and sort of get that

(01:06:12):
itch feeling better, they actually measured they had lower levels
of harmful bacteria at the scratching site. So stephalococosorus was
one of the ones that they measured. So what they found,
which I didn't know before, is the act of scratching
itself can actually activate your immune response to help your

(01:06:32):
body to fight whatever it is that might be attacking you.
And the reason why this is different is previously they
thought the immune response was only kicked off by the
allergen itself, so the thing that was touching your skin.
And the reason why that's important is because actually scratching
is designed to protect you and help you tell your
body you need to get here now to get rid

(01:06:52):
of whatever this is and bring some white blood cells
here to fight against that. And that is the first
time they've ever found that. They thought that all you
scratch for was to get rid of the physical object.
And the reason why that's interesting is because in this
study they were able to fight two different nerve pathways
when it comes to scratching. So one of these pathways
signals the itch, so you scratch it, but one of

(01:07:14):
them controls the immune response. And the reason why that's
interesting is now they know what these pathways are. If
you have something like exma, where you have a chronic
scratching problem, they might be able to turn off one
of these nerve pathways to help stop the itch. Because
if you scratch too much, you can break your skin
and you can just cause some infections and other problems

(01:07:34):
like that. So these poor mice very itchy. Is I
actually have discovered something really important?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, a bit of a bad day in the office.
Thank you so much, Michelle, appreciate that. I've just spent
the whole time sitting here sort of mentioning itching, just
scratching myself. But thank you so much for that. Mike
Vender Elson is celebrating a truly incredible milestone today. He's
up next with a fitting recipe for today's celebration.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
It be a Resident Chief Mike Vender l it's with
us now. Good morning, good morning, And you were celebrating
a very important birthday today.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Isn't it amazing?

Speaker 16 (01:08:13):
Yes, it's my mum's ninetiers wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
I think happy birthday for Tuesday. I think it was
wasn't it?

Speaker 16 (01:08:19):
It was April Fool's Day.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
So you're having a celebration today.

Speaker 16 (01:08:23):
We are, we are, And I'm not cooking.

Speaker 17 (01:08:25):
Yay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
I'm so pleased. You're not even contributing a design, nothing, nothing.

Speaker 16 (01:08:34):
We're taking some flowers, that's all we're doing. That's great. Yeah, No,
what a celebration to make it nineteen. You know, Mum's
still fit as a fiddle and sharp as attack, and
she still keeps me in check. So it's great. So
in ninety years, but I thought kind of as a
little bit of a celebration of that, I would talk
about fond memories of being brought up on a poultry farm,

(01:08:56):
or the food side of it was. Mum would always
make an apple tart, and she would make this beautiful
apple tart. It's got super super short pastry to it,
and she would make it in a massive, big roasting
tray and that will go into the pantry and over
a period of a week. It will just slowly disappear,
well quickly disappear. I'd run through that recipe today.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Fantastic, let's do it.

Speaker 16 (01:09:21):
So the pastry. I've got a pastry recipe here, so
I just followed that. It's quite a long recie, so
I'm just going to shorten it up. So make up
the pastry. It's a very short crust pastry. Roll it
and then line it was about twenty cent to meter
baking troat or a twenty cent to meter tartan sorry,

(01:09:41):
line that you want it to be about a good
a good cent to met in thickness. You know you
want this to be quite thick because it is quite
hard to deal with. Once you've lined that, pop that
into the fridge. Keep some pastry back because you're going
to lattice some of the pastry over the top of
it afterwards. For the filling. I've got a couple of
raisins soap that in about four tablespoons of warm water

(01:10:02):
and three tablespoons of brandy, and just set that aside
and let those raisin so off and up as they
soak up that beautiful brandy flavor. And then four apples
peel them, care them, cut them into like thin wedges,
and then into a bowl with three tables swings of
brown sugar, half tea spoon of cinnamon and the juice
of the lemon. And that juice just obviously stops the

(01:10:23):
apples from browning up. Set that aside, take your pastry
back out, drain your raisins out, add your raisins into
your apple mix. Put all those apples into the base
of your tartan, and then take the remaining pastry roll
that out, cut it into little lents and then just
crisscross that over the top of your pastry. And then
I just brush it with a little bit of water

(01:10:44):
the top pastry and just ice that with a little
bit of icing sugar. Fire that into the oven. Ovens
on one and that's going to take forty minutes because
you want those apples to be fully cooked through. Take
that out and just let it cool a bit and
then you're good to go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Oh sounds divine, Mike. I hope you have a lovely
day to day with the family. And you can get
that recipe from from scratch dot co dot m zaid
or we will get that up on our website today
as well. For your newstalk ZEDB dot co dot nz
Ford Slash Sunday and now I know what I'm gonna
do with the apples on the tree in my backyard.

(01:11:19):
But aren't great for just eating straight off the tree,
but I think will be perfect in an apple tart.
It is a thirteen to eleven protein. Protein. Protein. We're
all being told to eat more protein, aren't we? But
how much is enough? And can you eat too much?
Erin O'Hara sets us straight next year on news storks
EDB all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Right Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin
and Wiggles for the best selection of great reeds us Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Sebb Erin O'Hara is with us now to talk well bean,
good morning, good morning. Now, if there's one thing that
a middle aged woman hears these days, it's eat your protein.
Eat your protein. And not just middle aged women. We're
all talking about eating more protein. I know that if
you go to the gym a lot and you work
out a lot, you're probably quite obsessed about how much
protein you're eating. Are we overdoing the protein talk or

(01:12:08):
not eating enough of it?

Speaker 18 (01:12:10):
I think we're really in that protein mania boom where
everyone talks about eating protein, getting more protein into their diet,
especially if you're on any sort of social media Instagram, TikTok, Facebook,
it's always promoting eat more protein. And with the diet culture,
there's always that sort of one sort of thing that

(01:12:32):
we're doing, and it's really in the limelight is protein
at the moment. And I've got mixed views on this.
I'm actually, as you know, a big fan of protein
and rich diets. However, it's about how to create that balance.
I think that some people have that view of their
eating lots of protein. I ask them, Okay, what do
you have for breakfast, and they'll say, oh, I have

(01:12:52):
one egg. I have a nice high protein breakfast. And
I'm like, wow, one egg is not really technically a
high protein breakfast. But I think that's where there is
still a misconception of how much protein people are eating.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Because you might have a persian amount of chicken soon
you know, grams of chicken, but actually that doesn't equate
to the amount of protein in it, does it.

Speaker 18 (01:13:15):
And that's the thing is that people quite often will
eat too small a portion that they actually won't hit
their amount of protein that they need. And if you're
unsure how much protein does your body need, It's really
different depending on the size of you. So usually a
good guy just to get an adequate amount of protein
for your body is a point eight to one point

(01:13:37):
two grams of protein per kilo of body weight. So
knowing what your weight is, then work that out in grams,
which is easy conversion. So if you just go for
one for one, if you're sixty kilos at minimum, trying
to get sixty grams of protein. Now one egg does
a day, okay, so one egg has six point five

(01:13:57):
grams of protein, so you weight lot of eggs if
you're going for eggs. And that's where generally with this
low protein diet, it's usually more someone who tends to
be a bit more vegetarian or vegan, and they have
to really work to get the protein in. If you
are a meat eater or doing a carnivoric diet, you're
probably going the other extreme. Quite often. If people just

(01:14:19):
eating meat and following that sort of meat only diet,
they're usually eating excessive amounts of protein. And that's where
we've got this sort of both ends of the spectrum
of people either not eating enough protein or the people
who are becoming so fixated on protein that I would
actually classify them as eating too much protein.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
And is there a danger of eating too much protein?
There is.

Speaker 18 (01:14:41):
It's actually quite hard to process and a lot of
the extract protein gets processed through our kidneys. Your kidneys
can work harder. If you're doing extreme high protein, you're
at a higher risk of getting things like kidney stones. Also,
quite often we'll be switching out the protein for other
nutrients in our diet, so that might mean that we're

(01:15:01):
actually missing some other nutrients, particularly fiber. And that's why
when people go onto these meat only sort of diets,
constipation is super common because we need that ruffage and
that fiber to kind of brush through the gut and
keep the bow moving. Also, sometimes if you're not actually
active enough and you're going on a high protein diet,

(01:15:22):
you'll still gain weight.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Like at the end of the.

Speaker 18 (01:15:24):
Day, calories are calories, so it's not just eat protein
and you're going to suddenly lose weight. Doesn't work the
magic like that. So how do we find that balance
of macro nutrients? Yeah, macro nutrients if you don't know
what that is, that's the balance of protein carbohydrate, foods
and fats, and we want to get a good, beautiful
balance across the day, so we can't just eat protein.

(01:15:48):
And that's whe're looking at your dinner plates. I always
go with just a general guide of like half a
plate of vegetables, quarter of the plate protein, and maybe
half a cup of carbohydrate with a tablespoon of fats.
And it's a good little balance. And that's a good
way to kind of structure if you're really not sure
how to get the dinner plate locking balance. And that's

(01:16:09):
where we don't just want half a play to meet
and no veggies, like we want to keep that balance
in the meal plan and that will help you get
your macronutrient balance, which is then making sure you're getting
all your nutrients or your fiber and all the good
stuff their body needs.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Love it, Thank you so much. Erin will talk next
week the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Simon Squib is up next. He became famous on social
media for walking up to people excuse me, asking them
what their dream was, and then offering them money to
quit their job and get on with it. He also
developed the Elevator of Dreams with Richard Branson. So we
find out why we should all be making a bit
more of an effort to follow our dreams and what's

(01:16:57):
stopping us. Simon's Squib, author of What's Your Dream? Find
your passion, love your work, build a richer life, is
with us. After News and Sport, we're going to finish
the hour some new music from Joe aka Joe Keary
aka Steve Harrington from Stranger Things.

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Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Yes. Good to have you with us here on the
Sunday Session. Piney is coming up this hour. He's going
to be talking about the Japanese Grand Prix, megaz is
in Los Coubles, Mexico, and Joan gives us her thoughts
on Alie Moore's explosive new memoir.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
The Sunday Session.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Right, Simon Squab is not your average entrepreneur, and after
tragedy saw him leave home at the age of fifteen,
he went into survival mode. He started a gardening business
with no actual experience or knowledge of the industry. Nineteen
businesses later, Simon is a multimillionaire. Nowadays, he focuses his
time on helping others fulfill their dreams. You may have
seen him on social media interviewing people about their dreams.

(01:18:53):
It was on TikTok. He's also behind the concept of
the Elevator of Dreams with Sir Richard Branson. Simon shares
his knowledge in his new book. It's called What's Your Dream,
Find your Passion, love your work. A richer life sounds good.
Simon squib is with us now, good morning, good morning,
lovely to have you with us. If it's all right,

(01:19:16):
could we talk a little bit about your journey to
being an entrepreneur, because it really began in quite difficult circumstances.
Your father had passed away from a heart attack when
you were fifteen. Then you had a little bit of
a falling out with your mother and you were homeless
for a few months. Can you talk me through that
time in your life and what that was like for you.

Speaker 19 (01:19:37):
Well, in some aspects, it's a long time ago. It's
thirty five years ago when that particular stage of my
life took place, and I reflect on it both with
pain because it was one of the saddest times in
my life, as you would expect, but also in a
strange way, that difficult time had to happen to me

(01:19:59):
for me to do what I do today and to
have the life I love today and to have mission
I'm on. So I think a lot of our pain
in life sometimes is there for a reason, and I
think that's sometimes how I reflect on that time. What
I wanted to have happened, I would say, no, But

(01:20:20):
do I feel grateful for the lessons learned and the
person that's made me today? Yes, I am. I'm grateful
for where I am now, even though that was a
painful time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
So, I mean, it could have been be very easy
to give up in a situation like that, but as
you say, was a bit of a kickstarter to your
success taught me through that first entrepreneurial moment.

Speaker 19 (01:20:42):
Well, I was unable to get a job at fifteen.
I was technically homeless, and I didn't have anywhere to
put down as an address on job applications, and I
didn't have a national short number, which is a number
you need to enter the employment market. So I couldn't
get a job, and I did try. I also tried begging,

(01:21:04):
but I wasn't very good at it, got quite a
lot of insults, and so I was forced to And
I described this moment as my entrepreneur muscle waking up
in my brain. I was forced to be an entrepreneur,
and it wasn't really my path at that moment in
my life. I'd never thought about becoming an entrepreneur. No
one had taught me at school really what an entrepreneur was,

(01:21:27):
or how to create something in your mind and make
it real. I was just like everybody else thinking about
getting a job, and so I couldn't get a job
when I couldn't make money from begging. So this entrepreneur
muscle woke up in my brain and I started a
gardening company. It's a very long story how it happened,
but I had no choice, and I think it's quite

(01:21:47):
an interesting analogy for life. If you really want to
make something happen, you can't just want it, You've got
to need it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
So when did it become your dream to help other
people achieve their dreams.

Speaker 19 (01:21:59):
I think I retired at forty I sold my company.
I had a company called Fluid and I sold it
to Price Water Cooper and for the first time in
my life, I didn't have to worry about money, and
I started to think about you know, I just had
a baby. I just started to think about what his
future might be like. And I realized in that moment,

(01:22:23):
the school system was still broken, and it still didn't
teach people about money. It still wasn't teaching people how
to live in the real world, just like that fifteen
year old me. And so I kind of had this
feeling like, what can I do to make the world
a better place for my son as he grows up?
And what is the problem in the world that matters
to me? And it's basically, the education system is broken

(01:22:47):
for most people, and how could I fix it? And
so that's when I started, you know, hatching a plan,
as they say, about how I could go about fixing
such a such a difficult thing to fix. And so
I started initially by just creating content that was free
that taught people about the world, about business, about people

(01:23:08):
that had nothing and how they'd made it, in the
hope that that knowledge would be useful to those that
listened to it. So that's where I started, and then
very slowly I realized that I didn't know really what
people needed. So I went into the streets and studied
asking people, you know, what business would you start if
you could start a business, and what do you need
help with to make it happen? More as a research

(01:23:30):
project to find out what I could produce to give
people what they needed, and it quickly turned into well
social media craziness with hundreds of millions of views on
the videos that when I was asking people what is
their dream? What would they like to start? And I
realized that the very thing I was asking people what
is their dream? It was my dream to ask people

(01:23:51):
this and help them make it happen. And so it's
a process finding your dream. And I write about this
in my book about How to Find Your Dream. But
it's a process finding your dream, and sometimes it's through experimentation.
So I just asked people what their dream was and
I realized, Wow, I really love hearing people's dreams and
then helping them make it happen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
And I'm sure that this will be People were going, oh,
hang on, I've heard about this guy, the guy on
tech talk that went up to people and said, you know,
you know, and at times offered money for people to
quit their jobs and to pursue their dreams. When you
asked people what is your dream? What percentage of people
had a dream knew what it was.

Speaker 19 (01:24:27):
It's interesting because I've asked this question now all over
the world, and each I guess part of the world
has a slightly different vibe. So I think, you know,
in Hong Kong, where my Hong Kong business was based,
fluid and a lot of people there their dream is
to own a home. So that's quite often, you know,
a common answer. In America, where you know, the American

(01:24:51):
dream is very prevalent, a lot of people have quite
ambitious projects they'd like to launch, you know, rocket ship
companies and so on and so and you know. And
I think for different people in different markets, there's different
motivations and different in influences, and I think the people
you hang out with will influence you. But a lot

(01:25:11):
of the time people just dream of having some freedom,
freedom to do hobbies, freedom to maybe you know, follow
their passions as opposed to business per se in the
traditional sense. And most people don't like their job. I
think over eighty percent of people in England don't like
their job, and so a lot of people just want

(01:25:32):
to have a job they enjoy and make work fun.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
The passion is an interesting one, and you mention this
in the book that you know, your advice is to
root your dream and something you love. But these days
we're always being told, you know, you've got to look
for a gap in the market, or do something no
one else is doing, or solve the problem in order
to be successful. But a lot of the time people
just want to run their own business, whether it's a
gardening business as you say, or a dog grooming business

(01:25:57):
or something totally Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:25:59):
I think you know, I've invested in over eighty companies,
and the ones that have done well were not rooted
in this brilliant business place and where it was global
domination as you say, filling a market gap. It really
people that just love what they do. They love the job,
they love whatever it is. And I think a lot
of the time people need to redefine what success is

(01:26:20):
for them and build something that brings fulfillment to them.
And again I've written about this in my book How
To Do This, But I think I think the key
is that people need to really know themselves and try
to be true to themselves, not let the materialistic world
sell them a fake dream. But look at what is
success for you, and you know, if it's playing golf,

(01:26:42):
then you know, make a living. Put a business model
behind your dream. That's the only thing I would say
that people don't do whatever they want to do, you
have to put a business model behind it. And so
if you do that, then you can follow follow anything,
and every single dream that someone's got is possible, whatever
it is. But I think owning your own time is
my opinion, the success. You know, when I was twenty,

(01:27:04):
maybe owning a Ferrari was what I thought was successful.
People now it's someone on a Wednesday afternoon or a
bike ride with the one they love. You know, that's success.
You know, just having the time to do the things
that matter to you is success.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Why do dreams measure well?

Speaker 19 (01:27:20):
I like the concept of a dream because it's very
hard for people to shoot it down. You know, it's
by definition a fantasy full thing. So if my dream
is to fix the education system, as much as people
might say, oh, that's not going to happen, you know,
you can't really say it's not possible or don't don't
do that, Simon. I think if I say I've got

(01:27:40):
a goal or you know, I've got an ambition, it's
you know, it's never the American ambition or the American goal.
It was always the American dream that drives America, for example.
But I think, yeah, a lot of the time, people
feel more excited about life if they have a dream.
And I think that you feel more hopeful if you
have a dream, because you can solve any problem in
the world. If your dream is to fix a problem,

(01:28:02):
then then you can. If you, if you, if you,
if you have that belief, life is just more more
purposeful and more exciting and more hopeful as opposed to
you know, sometimes we feel like the world's in trouble
and we can't do anything about it. We feel hopeless,
Whereas if we have a dream and we aim towards it,
even if it's very ambitious, we feel more positive because

(01:28:23):
we're taking action on the problems that matter to us.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
And yet for a lot of us that has had
to take that through step to follow a dream. And
I imagine there are some people out there at the
moment who don't feel they get to have a dream.

Speaker 19 (01:28:36):
No, I think, you know, again, I tried to go
deep on this in my book because there's a lot
of self sabotage, there's a lot of subconscious bias, and
you know that a lot of the time people and
I was poor, so I know what it's like to
have nothing the iem in the years. If you know,
if you look at it right, you kind of got

(01:28:58):
nothing to lose if you've got no money, So you know,
I think, I think it's actually people in the middle
class that are in the toughest spot because you've got
something to lose if you take a risk, Whereas when
you're young and you've got nothing taking risk, you know,
that's the best time to take a risk. I think
once you have children, and I've got a seven year old,
but I changed when my son was born. You know,

(01:29:19):
I went from quite a selfish being to like, I've
got to look after him, and so things change as
you get older. But I think, you know, you've got
to set yourself on this frame of mind that even
if you are trying to support your family and that's
why you're doing a job you hate, just remember kids
don't do what you say, they do what you do.
So if you're not doing what you love they won't

(01:29:42):
do what they love, and if you want the best
of them, you've got to do what you love. So
I think again in my book, I've tried to explain
it some more detail, but every stage of life, wherever
you are, there's always a reason not to do something,
and you've got to remove those subconscious beliefs, those limiting beliefs,
and see that you know you can do it and
anything is possible. And I'm not particularly intelligent. I've got

(01:30:03):
a very smart wife. Maybe that helps, but I'm not
person you know, high up there in the IQ department.
But I've taken risk and I believe anything is possible,
and I've gone for it. And I think you know
that that's what people need to perhaps do. If you've
got no money, you've got competive advantage, you've got nothing
to lose. And if you're if you're looking at it
your family and thinking you can't go do what you

(01:30:24):
love because you've got to look after your family. Well,
your family want you to be happy. You know, all
my son cares about it. ISS not much money I've
got in the bank, But am I enjoying what I do?
Am I happy? And I think that's what people need
to strive for more.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
I'd love to talk to you about help Bank, which
you set up and you had this fantastic idea with
the doorbell and a staircase and now I believe it's
the elevator of dreams. You've also set up in one
of Sir Richard Branson's London hotels. Tell us a little
bit about this, and what I'm keen to know is

(01:30:57):
you have a group of You've also gathered a group
of people together to mentor to offer help to these
to these people who have these dreams to you know,
make them reality. Is it easy to get people to
step up and share their knowledge and expertise?

Speaker 19 (01:31:13):
The short answer is it is easy to get people
to share their knowledge and help. And I have learned
something in the last year and a half. You know,
we launched this platform called help Bank, and for your listeners,
the basic premise was people out there that need help,
where can they go to get help? If you've got
a dream, where can you go to get help with
that dream? And so there isn't many places you can go,

(01:31:34):
So we wanted to create a place where anyone could
go share their dream and get help with that dream
without any cost. And so when we launched a platform,
we thought the biggest problem was going to be people
going to help, and we didn't think we'd have a
problem with people asking for help, right, But actually, when
we launched, three times more people on the platform wanting

(01:31:56):
to help than asking for help.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Huh.

Speaker 19 (01:31:58):
And so what that told me is something I kind
of already knew that humans get happiness oxytocin natural happiness
from helping someone in their community, so it's in us
naturally to do this. It's actually much easier to give
help than to be brave enough to ask for help,
and it turns out the strongest people ask for help,

(01:32:20):
but it's really hard to ask for help. People love helping,
they find it awkward or they're not deserving to.

Speaker 10 (01:32:26):
Ask for help.

Speaker 19 (01:32:28):
So we actually had spend quite a bit of time
marketing that's okay to ask for help, and we thought
we were going to have to beg people to come
and help. But that was not the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
So that was good.

Speaker 19 (01:32:38):
The doorbell just to wrap up that quickly. We wanted
to create a place where people could go and pitch
their dream and so I can't be in every street
all day, every day, so we just decided to put
a doorbell on a staircase in London, and then we
have now done a partnership with Sir Richard Branson to

(01:33:00):
put a doorbell on the Virgin Hotel as well, and
you can go there pitch your dream myself and so
rich Anson and the community on Help Bank will all
try to help you with that dream. And we are
coming to Australia soon. We're just working on an Australian doorbell,
so hopefully very soon we'll have this same idea upper
running in Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Simon has been a pleasure to talk to you. Thank
you so much for your time.

Speaker 19 (01:33:23):
Thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
That was entrepreneur Simon Squib. His new book it's called
What's Your Dream? Find Your Passion, Love your work, Build
of Richer Life is in stalls now, panels up, next.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Sleep It's Silvil.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
It's Sundays the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudge and Wiggles
for the best selection of gravery news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Editor's time for the panel and I'm joined by Coast
Day host and host of travel podcast trip Notes, Laurna Riley.
How are you, Launa?

Speaker 12 (01:33:51):
Good?

Speaker 11 (01:33:52):
Morning. I'm very good, even though I feel like it's
the afternoon Augay Daylight Savings.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Spent long morning and sing your account director at one
plus one Communications, Damian Venuto, how are you, Damien.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
I'm doing really well.

Speaker 17 (01:34:03):
I had a little sleep in this morning, which was
a rare privilege me with a four year old.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Oh well, very pleased to hear right, Trump and tariffs.
I think the New Zealand government is being very sensible
and they're calm. Let's let the dust settle here approach
to this, Laura, how do you want to see New
Zealand respond?

Speaker 11 (01:34:20):
Well, yeah, I guess we have to suck it and
see a little bit important to note that it's a
ten percent tariff on top of water. Ever tariff currently
exists for most people, and we don't want to be
retaliatory because that just means we're going to pay more
here and it'll be inflationary as well. I guess if

(01:34:41):
you look at tariff European Union twenty percent, China thirty
four percent, we got off pretty lightly. Some exporters say
they might be able to increase their sales against other
countries in the US market, which is good for them.
Others obviously see opportunities perhaps with China to increase sort
of beef experts and that kind of thing. So I
guess we just have to see how it goes. If

(01:35:02):
there is a group of countries that provide sort of
an alternative, then that could be worth us looking at.
I think, because you know, experts assume the global economy
is going to go through a pretty tough period and
it's still a risk for us to fall back into
a recession, which of course none of us want.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
But I think you're right. I think you're right, Lawna.
We don't really quite understand the impact of this all this,
do we yet Everyone's just kind of taken a moment
to go okay, actually, so what impact is this going
to have on us? How is it going to affect us?

Speaker 17 (01:35:34):
I saw a great video this morning where somebody said
that when you have an extreme event happening to you
in your life, don't make any rash decisions. So to
go through a divorce, if you're do you have a
death in the family, don't make any decisions immediately. And
this feels about the same. We have to let the
US settle. We have to see where this lands, how
it affects New Zealand how it affects other countries. I

(01:35:55):
think any rash decisions now are a terrible idea.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
How weever, Damian, you know, we were talking earlier this
morning about if there was sort of a club of
countries who all believe in free trade, who kind of
gathered together to sort of move forward. It would be
important for New Zealand to quietly be part of that group, wouldn't.

Speaker 17 (01:36:14):
It It would be the problem is that the US
GDP is thirty trillion dollars. Now if you compare that
to the UK, the UK is about three point seven
trillion dollars, So you're talking about quite a big club
of countries. The reality is that the US economy is
just so important to the global economy. Then any talk
of a club isn't going to return things to normality.

(01:36:36):
We need to find the same markets for the goods
of New Zealand selling that'll kind of make up for
the loss that we suffer in the US. And that's
a big ask. That's a really really big ask.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Norna, have you checked your key we savor or you
just kind of got.

Speaker 11 (01:36:53):
Hid in the sand, don't want to look you know,
I'm not ready to retire just yet. So I'm just.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
What about you, Damien.

Speaker 17 (01:37:03):
No, I haven't checked anything again because we might wake
up on Monday morning and Trump I've decided that the
tariffs are council and everything might sewn up again. So
I'm just leaving everything alone and waiting.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
I like it. What is really interesting to see happen
is that there's quite a few nations around the world
that are essuing travel warnings to the US, and some
visitors are opting to boycott the US entirely. And this
is partly because of sort of border enforcement and border security.
So you've got sort of Germany and the UK, Denmark, Finland,
Portugal and in Canada who have expressed some concerns to

(01:37:36):
travelers and things. Then of course you've got some people
who are making sort of moral decisions about whether they
want to travel there or not. Lorna, you know, I
know that you've got your travel podcast and things. Do
you hear much around this and people making decisions to
whether they would travel there or not depending on what's
happening in the country in the US at the moment.

Speaker 11 (01:37:55):
So, I mean I was there last year moment to
National Memphis and New Orleans and it was amazing. WL
was thinking about going back later this year, and there's
been some fantastic flight deals, which possibly suggests they might
not be quite the demand that we thought. I wouldn't
say I'm scared about traveling. There is an unease around

(01:38:20):
traveling to America right now. I think, of course too,
it's not helped by the fact that our dollar is
pretty crappy against the US as well, so you know,
we might get cheaper flights, but once you get their
things are pretty pretty expensive. But I can understand other countries.
You know, they've Germany, the UK, Denmark, Finland, I think
Portugal as well. They've all issued travel warnings and advisories.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
For the States.

Speaker 11 (01:38:44):
They're predicting a seventeen percent drop in European visitors, eleven
percent drop in China visitors. And this was from the
beginning of the year. Quite a turnaround because the tourism
economics and the States is actually predicting a booming year
for international travel to the States, so I actually think
they're going to see quite an impact. They're saying up

(01:39:04):
to twenty percent loss of their tourism market, which is Canada,
but even a ten percent reduction in visitors two billion
dollars and lost spending in fourteen thousand job losses are
being predicted, so a massive impact on the States.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
I did love that article on the BBC Launa. I
read that one too, and I don't know if you'd
noticed that you scrolled down there were massive ads for
USA and Canada on sale.

Speaker 11 (01:39:29):
Absolutely. I see local travel agents are saying that that
leisure travelers are dipping slightly, but that corporate travel to
the States is booming currently, So you know, it's a
bob each way. I think for Kiwis at the moment, Damy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Would you go as far as not to travel to
the US?

Speaker 12 (01:39:47):
I am.

Speaker 17 (01:39:48):
I've always found that the US is such a divided place, right.
Some of my best friends are from the US. So
I'd probably not boycott the US, but I'll probably be
selective in terms of the places that I go to.
I'd be careful in terms of gage places where I
feel that they would be accepting to tourists than other
places where they're a bit more confrontational when it comes

(01:40:10):
to outside, it's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Yeah, and look, if you turn it round. I know
people who work in the tourism ministry here in New
Zealand who organized tourism and things for a lot of
Americans coming to New Zealand, and they've noticed a drop
off because they say that Americans are concerned about how
we will react to them when they get here, which
is quite interesting as well. Okay, let's help our listeners.
I got an email this morning time a Netflix subscription

(01:40:34):
was going up. A month ago, a Skybill increased. So
when it comes to these TV subscriptions and streaming, what's
the best bang for your buck? Do you reckon? Guys?

Speaker 14 (01:40:42):
Damien?

Speaker 17 (01:40:44):
They you know what I feel like. I feel like
they've trapped us and they've made us dependent on all
these things, and I just I don't even know, Like
because I've Disney is a no brainer for me a
four year old, so Disney has to be in my mix.
Then I'm I'm torn between Neon or Netflix or Prime.
And you kind of get caught sometimes where you have

(01:41:04):
all three of these at the same time. So I've
read that if you can find four shows that justify
a subscription, that's enough. So as long as you have
those four shows, that's okay. At the moment they fall away,
then you have to kind of question Am I really
getting enough use out of them?

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:41:21):
Yeah, I'm a bit of a tragic and that I'll
go just for one show. So I got Apple TV
to watch Severance. I got me on to watch White
Lotus or Severance is finished for the time being. White
Lotus about to wrap up with a ninety minute episode tomorrow.
I cannot wait, so I'll probably revisit both of those. Netflix.
I haven't noticed the Rake cost because it's sort of

(01:41:43):
bundled out with my phone through Spark, But I still
think Netflix is pretty good value. We've got to mix
in our household of adults, a teenager and a toddler.
But I think as we sort of looked trim costs
and things, don't forget TV and Z plus and three
now because they make three yep, and there's so much

(01:42:04):
stuff on there. You still have Sky a long time ago. Well,
but then I'm not really a sport watcher, so you know, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
No, Well that's that's why we have Lorna. But can
I just suguest to listeners that Sky is very keen
to keep subscribers, so if you would like to get
a deal, feel free to ring and haggle. It worked
brilliantly for me. Thank you so much, Lrna and Damien.
Good to talk to you. It is twenty six to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
a B.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Jason Pine is with us now he is with you
at midday with Weekend Sport. Hello, Hello, good to see you.
Gosh you've got a busy show. Yeah, there's what's going on.
David Coldheart is joining here.

Speaker 20 (01:42:47):
Yes, looking forward to chatting to Motivation Royalty David Coulta
on lots of things really leave Wawson, Yuki Sonoda, Max
for Stappen genius from Max for Stappin yesterday. Isn't that
car is nowhere near as fast as those McLaren's from
what I can tell, But he just drives like he's
on another planet. Incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
I think he realized this is all up to I
think you might be right.

Speaker 20 (01:43:09):
I think he knows the Constructors Championship probably ain't going
to happen. I mean, Liam Lawson can't or couldn't drive
that second car as fast as they wanted. Yuki Sonoda
doesn't look as though he'll be able to. I think
any suggestion that that red bull can get you know,
close to McLaren or even you know, even Ferrari some
of the others. Mercedes, look, they just seemed like to
be way behind. But for stepping my goodness, what a driver.

(01:43:33):
Just generational talent. So yeah, Japanese Grand Prix, but later
on today, so David Coulthard'll preview that for us. But
there's so much gone on franchis, you know, rugby league
for four week There's no way I could get through all.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Of that list. We've got two and a half minutes. Okay,
pack something then from the rugby that impressed you, has
intrigued you over the weekend.

Speaker 20 (01:43:49):
More on a PACIFICA winning back to back, I thought
that was just tremendous. Well, half time yesterday they were
twenty one seven down. I thought, okay, they've had their
one over the Crusaders. They've you know that they'll go
back to type if there is a type, not a
bit of a second half. I don't know what time
of Umung has said at half time, but it was
something pretty special because look just the way they are
blending the Polynesian flair that we've always known they have

(01:44:11):
with a structure and a consistency now that's allowed them
torn back to bout games for the first time. They're real,
Wanda Pacifica are real and orderly.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
See played a game yesterday, hence you're up here in Auckland.

Speaker 20 (01:44:22):
What an occasion. Eight ten and a half thousand there
at Mount Smart yesterday. The place was absolutely jumping.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Unbeaten for eleven games.

Speaker 12 (01:44:29):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
That's right. That's pretty impressive, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:44:31):
Yeah, although, although I mean, if we are going to
k they've been mainly draws recently, four draws in their
last five. Yes, they're unbeaten.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
You know why?

Speaker 20 (01:44:41):
Yeah, I do know.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Because it's our producer Carrey, who joined the family and
got the T shirts, like got her own T shirt
and everything. In the minute she started wearing that to
the games. They can only draw, they can't win.

Speaker 20 (01:44:51):
She's not playing her part. No, so maybe we need
to examine that facts.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
So we'll sot that out.

Speaker 20 (01:44:56):
But I look there, it's the atmosphere yesterday. If they
had managed to win that game, I said there before
you came to wear I just feel like the place
would have exploded. It was just a tinder box there yesterday.
And we've spoken about it the atmosphere you get at an
awfuan Left Sea game is second to none, and when
you compare it to what was happening a couple of
hours later Eating Park, which you know, a different venue obviously,

(01:45:20):
but it's night and day. As far as the supports
was was.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
That when the Blues managed to beat the Hurricane.

Speaker 20 (01:45:25):
Thanks Francisca. Yeah, I did pick up on that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Moving on, Hey, the black Caps tho sweeted the ODI
series against Pakistanta. It's good. That was good.

Speaker 20 (01:45:32):
Yeah, in the in the home summer with victory ben
ceas back to back five wicket bags. As you're going
to talk this afternoon a bit of cricket about and
about the next generation talent that we have, because that
was a very fresh faced team yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:45:44):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
I was just thinking, the fact that we're still talking
about cricket while we're into league and the rugby and
everything else. It's all a bit confusing that I didn't
really recognize a lot of the team names. I love,
which I quite like like.

Speaker 20 (01:45:55):
I like the fact that it's not the same old
names and the same old faces, and there is depth buildings.
So yeah, quite a bit to get through between Midday
and three franchise Fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
I'm looking forward to it Parney, which is by we
back at Midday.

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Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
Love?

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
Tell me where is Los Cabos?

Speaker 13 (01:46:31):
So if you can picture California and then it goes
down into Mexico and it looks like a siletto heel
and Mexico Cancun, Mexican is the main shoe part to
the right.

Speaker 12 (01:46:43):
So we are at the bottom of the.

Speaker 13 (01:46:45):
Siletto heel, the bottom of the Baja Peninsula called Lost Carbos,
and there's two carbos. One is Carbo San Lucas and
the other one is San Jose del Carbo, So that's Lost.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Tabos fantastic And so where are you at present?

Speaker 12 (01:47:03):
Well, actually at present, I'm in Palm Spring. But I'm
going to.

Speaker 13 (01:47:07):
Talk to you about that next week because it's been
a crazy trip and we're heading home tonight. But I
want to tell you all about Carbo which is what
it's nicknamed. Because I managed to get a blog post
done and lots of peckies, and I've got some good
tips for where people might like to stay.

Speaker 12 (01:47:23):
And where I would stay differently next time.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Okay, so tell me where you stayed.

Speaker 13 (01:47:28):
We stayed in Cabo San Lucas, and we stayed.

Speaker 12 (01:47:31):
At an all inclusive resort right up at the Marina.

Speaker 13 (01:47:34):
So the reason I chose that was because it is
a really busy part of town.

Speaker 12 (01:47:39):
But it does mean you can.

Speaker 13 (01:47:40):
Pop out and about, walk around, go shopping, find a restaurant,
a bar, a shopping mall. And because I'm leaving my group,
I wanted them.

Speaker 12 (01:47:50):
To able to just do that at any time.

Speaker 13 (01:47:52):
But next time I would either stay further down the
beach where you would have to taxi to the marina.

Speaker 12 (01:47:59):
But honestly, the Marina is a little bit like.

Speaker 13 (01:48:02):
Las Vegas at the beach I was last year, twelve
years ago, it just was not this busy.

Speaker 12 (01:48:08):
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 13 (01:48:09):
Actually, we arrived on Saturday and it was like spring
broke and party time, and I thought, oh no, what
have I done?

Speaker 12 (01:48:18):
But actually then it all calms down and it.

Speaker 13 (01:48:21):
Was a great spot to stay in and from there
we could go whale watching, do all the tours that
they are famous for in that area, a.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
Lot of whale watching and dolphin watching and sea lions,
all sorts of wildlife to enjoy.

Speaker 13 (01:48:34):
And it's the whale watching season finishes mid April, so
this is actually why I chose this whole date of
the tour to work backwards from whale watching, so that
we could be out on the harbor. And we did
see these amazing humpbacks because they travel mama baby and
an escort which they think.

Speaker 12 (01:48:54):
Might be an auntie a grandmother. They're not really sure.

Speaker 13 (01:48:57):
But then they started breaching and dancing out of the
water and it was airpak.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
If you want to avoid the spring breakers, when are
they there? Megan?

Speaker 13 (01:49:08):
Well, now, because east are coming up, I'm going to
go either early early March would probably be better, and
weather wise it would be better too, but cooler.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Are there some historical cultural sites around where you.

Speaker 12 (01:49:22):
Are, so that's what you go to San Jose del
Carbo for.

Speaker 13 (01:49:26):
It's about a half hour drive from San Lucas and
there's a beautiful Spanish mission church that anchors the town square,
and then surrounding that is all these gorgeous art boutiques
and galleries and handcrafts. I bought a ridiculously expensive handmade rug, sorry,
not rug, mug.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
I was going to say the rug would be quite
a bit to bring home a rug.

Speaker 12 (01:49:51):
Well, I did buy a rug.

Speaker 13 (01:49:52):
I did buy a rug, but that was in Mexico City.
I'll tell you about that another time. Yeah, so I
love that. And actually, next time, if I came back,
this would be my third visit, I would probably stay.

Speaker 12 (01:50:03):
Down at that historic areas Dell Carbo.

Speaker 13 (01:50:08):
So I would say, in one of the beachfront resorts
where I could still just walk or get a quick
little taxi into the historic village.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Gorgeous there, Meghan and enjoy Palm Springs. Looking forward to
catching up with you when you get back, and if
you would like to learn all about Carbo, you can
find Meghan's blog at blogger at large dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Books with Wiggles for the best Election of great Reads.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
Joining me now is Joan McKenzie. Good morning, Hello, what
have you got for us today? The first book I've.

Speaker 21 (01:50:39):
Got is by Jenny Patrick, who I'm sure many listeners
will remember, wrote a book twenty two years ago called
The Denniston Rose Yes, which in a way I think
started to change the landscape of New Zealand fiction because
it was really commercial, really accessible, fascinating in its history
and did incredibly well and it really ultimately was a

(01:51:00):
story about survival. While she's done it again in this
new book, which as I say, is twenty two years later.
It's called Sea Change, and it's after a magnitude eight
earthquake strikes the Alpine Fault in the South Island and
a tsunami arrives afterwards, which devastates and cuts off a
small village slightly north of Wellington, and the government decided

(01:51:21):
it was unsustainable and unsafe, and they decreed a mandatory
relocation of all of the inhabitants. But a group of
really resourceful and determined people decided to stay and live
off the grid and under the radar. And it's really
well done because each of them, in their own special way,
has particular skills which when they're all pulled together, mean

(01:51:41):
that the basic necessities for a small community can be
taken care of, and of course the social fabric amongst
them starts to really meld, and I found it really
heartwarming to see the bonds that they develop, and how
they're so focused on their survival so cleverly. But it's
all threatened when a really nasty, unpleasant developer who has

(01:52:02):
a holiday home there, decides this is an opportunity for
him to buy out a number of these no longer
lived in houses and built a little estate, a little
mini empire for himself. So he sends his people over
to check it all out, and he's got a plan
to take most of the area over.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
And I will say it's fair to.

Speaker 21 (01:52:21):
Say there's a number of reasonably stereotypical characters in here,
the property developer being so avaricious and so unpleasant being one.
But I thought it was a really heartwarming story based
on something which for us is unfortunately quite credible, which
was the earthquake and tsunami. And I thought that the
courage and the strength of the characters was just lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
Oh good to hear. And you've got a book that
I know a lot of people are talking about. Alie
Moore has written a memoir.

Speaker 21 (01:52:49):
Yeah, and she'll need no introduction to most listeners because
she's been on our screens and in our newspapers for
years and years now. But she was born and grew
up in Australia. She grew up in a family which
wasn't easy. Her father was a rough and tough newspaper
man and she eventually followed him into that world, the
world of journalism, but he was a difficult man to

(01:53:10):
please and a deeply misogynistic individual. So she grew up
both with him and in the newsrooms of Australia at
the time. And I don't know how she survived it,
because I'm damn sure that I wouldn't have anyway. She
eventually came to New Zealand and married here and had
kids and had a really good career. But one night
she got a phone call from her elder sister who

(01:53:31):
cracked opened something that had been festering for forty years,
which was the fact that when those two were children,
their father interfered with them and they suddenly had to
front up to the reality of what had happened to
them and how they were now going to deal with it.
And it was compounded when she discovered that her nephew
had also been abused by her father. So obviously there

(01:53:53):
were very dark elements to this book, but I will
say she writes beautifully and incredibly courageously, and it's the
story about how you confront this stuff. And if they'd
done something earlier, would her father have received a different
kind of justice, And would their relationship with their mother,
who protected him, have been different, And the kind of

(01:54:15):
relationship their mother in her later years was desperate to
have with her daughters, to have them close again, but
everything had been so fractured that it wasn't possible. It's
a very brave book to have written, because at the
time of writing her parents are both alive, just about
to ask that if father just wants everything to go
back to the way that it was before, but of
course for Allie and her sister, it's just not possible,

(01:54:36):
and they're finding ways to live with this, and of course,
as many will know, Alie's gone on to help so
many women who found themselves in similar, very difficult positions.
I thought it was a very I'm going to say,
deep and meaningful book, and despite that theme, I thoroughly
enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Thank you so much. Joan so Alimow's memoir is no
words for this. And the first book that Joan spoke
about was See Change by Jenny Patrick.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
So good to have you with us this morning. Thank
you for being with us. Up next, Jason Pine as
with you and Weekend Sport, and as we mentioned before,
he's got a very full show all lined up for
you next week on the show, I am very excited.
Rich Richard Roxburgh, the Ossie actor, is with us to
talk about his new film, The Correspondent. He's joined by

(01:55:32):
Peter Grestor, who is the journalist you may remember the
story who in twenty thirteen was jailed in Cairo and
accused of aiding and abetting terrorism. He was actually just
reporting a story or two. Amazing story anyway. Richard Rocksborough
is playing him in a film, so we're going to
talk to both of them about this incredible story, and

(01:55:54):
we're also going to talk to Scott about rural living
in New Zealand. Gillian Swinton on The Good Life will
be with us as well. Hey, enjoy the rest of
your Sunday. What'll be getting to be quite early tonight.
It's gonna be a long day, isn't it. This is
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Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
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