Full Show Podcast: 16 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, well, good body of people. Welcome to your Sunday.
And yes it's me Andrew Dickens doing a Sunday show
for the first time in what six years. Poor old
Francesca the got an attack of the tummies yesterday, so
I'm a very late Corbyn, but welcome on in. So
how are you Are you okay? Because the allback's lost

(00:49):
to England if you've just woken up and they didn't
just lose, they lost badly. So we're going to take
you to twicken them. We're going to take you to
Southwest London where apparently everybody's still in the stadium and
they're still singing Sweet Low, doing Low Sweet Chariot Smith
did the call and Elliot Smith will have his thoughts
on this game. What went right nothing, what went wrong? Everything,

(01:12):
and we'll talk about that now after ten we all
know Anika more, we know her from her pop stardom
to our outrageous interviews on television. But now a niker
is embracing new enterprises, and we'll find out just what
she's up to. Just after ten o'clock this morning. That's
an interview with Francesca. It was pre recorded during the week,
so you'll get to hear Francesca today. And the co

(01:33):
founder of adventure racing Coramandal is a bloke called Andy
Read and he's written a new book about his experience.
Lovely title. It's called Are You Trying to Kill Us?
It celebrates twenty years of crazy races of around the Coromander.
We're going to catch up with Andy and find out
just what his next wacky idea is. Just after eleven.
We've got all our normal correspondence, we've got the panel,
we've got more and you can always have your say.

(01:55):
I'm always here on the text ninety two ninety two
Biggest Small Charge does to play? It is now eight
minutes after.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Nine the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, I had a very lovely Saturday morning yesterday. I
was lying in bed, I was drinking coffee. I was
reading the Weekend Herald because I still get the paper,
and I was listening to Jack on ZB and he
was saying he'll ditch his wallet by next year because
everything he needs will be on his phone. And I thought,
keep up, lad. I ditched the wallet during COVID because

(02:27):
the phone has now become ubiquitous with its apps. And
if not the phone, then I've got cards in pockets
in the phone holder, and that's where I've got my
Hop card, and I've got a f postcard, and I've
got a couple of credit cards. It's all there on
the phone. There is no wallet whatsoever, because I do
not need cash. Now, look, it's debatable whether this is

(02:47):
a good thing considering how compromised phones are. I mean,
anyone can see what's on your phone if they want to.
And also phones are really reliant on cell towers and
software and power supply. But hey, here comes the future
and people have decided this is the way we're going
to live. Meanwhile, front page of the Herald was all
about the legislation that means that councils can charge congestion

(03:11):
taxes in the future on our roads. Now this is dodgy.
The taxes will be on roads that we already paid
taxes to build. And if the roads weren't built built
using taxes, then they were built using rates, and those,
by the way, are also taxes. So this is kind

(03:31):
of double jeopardy, isn't it. Taxes are taxes paying for
stuff we've already paid for before, and then you'd have
to start wondering. Hold on, if this is a new tax.
I thought the National leg Coalition wanted to cut all taxes,
but not, this is a new tax. Something they say
is what the socialists do, but it looks like all
politicians do it. Rates are up, water rates are up

(03:53):
under this coalition. The reality is taxes are going up
no matter how they try to sell it. But they
feel they have to do it to get some cars
off the roads because the roads are so congested they're
costing our productivity. So the motivation for taxes has many faces.
Some are used to punish the rich, some are used

(04:14):
to redistribute the wealth, some are used, of course, all
are used to fund health and education systems we rely on.
And they're also used to punish or change behavior, which
is what they're using them for. In this case, they're
trying to change our behavior to make more of us
drive off peak and less of us on peak and
good luck with that. You do what you have to do,

(04:37):
and good luck with your tax and no wonder. Wayne
Brown said, the Council's not going to use this new
power anytime soon because he knows a vote killer when
he sees one. But the fact that a young, modern
city of just over one and a half million people
has got itself in a position where a center right
government thinks the answer is a tax is a complete

(04:59):
and utter failure of civic planning. There's only one and
a half million of us in Auckland. Sure, I can
understand congestion taxes in London, which has had centuries of development,
there's no more room for roads. But Auckland or Toe
Dunger or Wellington. All we had to do to avoid
this tax was to provide alternatives to the car, alternatives

(05:21):
that were affordable and efficient. But you know it, every
time public transport options and alternate modes have been suggested,
they've been shouted down by people who think they live
in rural villages and not modern cities and feel that
they should be able to drive from doorstep to doorstep
and believe that public transport doesn't work. Well, thank you
for that, Thank you for your lack of foresight over
the last forty or fifty years, because this now means

(05:44):
another tax is coming and our roads will still be choker.
The Sunday session, as a Texter has already said, you
don't even need to carry a hot card anymore, and
that is so true. Did you see dwn Well in
Christchurch they've got a new thing called Motu Move, where
all you need is a credit card and you hop

(06:06):
on a or whatever they've got. Well, it's just a bus.
They've turned down light rail and you go boop and
you're away. You're traveling, brilliant. Take it nationwide. Now, okay,
we lost the rug beat. You will have thoughts about this.
I will read out your thoughts because I know that
Jason Pine's not here till midday for you to get

(06:26):
on the blower and have a real say about what's
gone wrong with the All Blacks over the last two years.
But if you do want to have your say ninety
two ninety two, you can have a text and we'll
talk to Elliott Smith next about what happened at Twickenham
and what went wrong and whether we should be worried.
And that's next on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Eb Sunday with Style.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
The Sunday Session with Andrew Dickens and Whit calls for
the best selection of great reads used talks.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
If I love you guys, I love the way you
keep me informed. By the way you can use your
credit card on orcambuses as well. Yes, I should keep
up a little bit more. Trish, good morning to you, trust,
Welcome to your Sunday, Trist writes, And what happens if
you lose your phone with its wallet in its pockets?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Then what?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well, exactly what used to happen when the old days
were around and you lost your wallet. The idea is
not to lose your phone. And I think people lose
their phone less than they lose their wallets because it
is just so critical to get into this building. I
need a phone now. I used to have a little card.
Now I have to have a phone. What happens if
you don't have a smartphone? Oh, that's right, you don't work.

(07:32):
It is nineteen seventeen. The Grand Slam is over for
the all Blacks. And here's how the dream ended.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Manasile coll it kicked ahead, reget it. That's the lend
your Slam Slam. I think Slams.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Nineteen eh thirty three nineteen to England. They first went
over the abs at twicket them. So it's twenty twelve
their second largest whenever, the second most points against the
All Blacks. That's why the locals are going nuts. There
were four Ingus tries in all two in the final
half hour news talks heb Rugby commentator Elliott Smith was

(08:18):
there called the match and joins me.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
In fact he's still there. Good morning to you, Elliott.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Hello Andrew from a boisterous twickt in the crowd just
beginning to disperse now, but they are still in fine
voice and celebrating what was one of England rugby's finest
hours at least in the last sort of fifteen or
twenty years, a win to remember that's the shore for England.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, we kicked off quite well. We had two unanswered tries,
it was pretty even at halftime, and then we had
the infamous third quarter crumble which sounds like an Alison holstmeal.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Absolutely, and you're right. They started really strongly you'll do
All Blacks and couldn't back it up. They got to
twelve mil early, probably against the run of player a
little bit they scored two tries in four minutes, but
then didn't really seem to know what to do with
it from that point, conceded a scrum and England were
able to get a try off the back of that scrum.

(09:13):
And then just as the All Blacks looking like they're
going to halftime with maybe a converted try lead, George
four bangs over a couple of drop goals and all
of a sudden, a twelve to five game has become
a twelve to eleven game, and very smart play from
George Ford, who ultimately ended up being the man of
the match, just managed to swing the momentum the way
of England at half time though it was still behind

(09:34):
by a point, but it felt like England would be
much content going with that at half time than they
would be at twelve to five, So smart play from him.
And then second half. You mentioned the court of third
quarter blues, Well that's where unraveled for the All Blacks
straight after halftime. How can they continue this momentum take
the lead? Well they didn't. They basically considered a yellow card.
England scored a try, took the lead and took all

(09:54):
the momentum and the air out of the contest. From
an All Blacks perspective.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's a simple game, but you've got to get it right.
And George Ford, all his kicks were pinpoint. Bowden, on
the other hand, put a penalty into the dead ball area.
Cam Roy guard made some mistakes. We just made little mistakes.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
Little mistakes, little moments that in the reflection of time
and at eighty minutes, you go, those were big moments
in the game. And if Field Blacks had managed to
find touch with both or one of those, even they
can apply a little bit more pressure. They had to
lead at that point. You know, if they get three
points out of at five, seven, whatever it might be,
just keep that scoreboard tacking over. But that just keeps

(10:31):
the door open for England. And England took advantage of that,
and as it got to twelve or eleven at half time,
the All Blacks weren't clinical enough. They made those errors
and those errors ultimately tell the story of the game
that got away from them. Bote and Barrett, we're hearing
had a little bit of a quad injury. But George Ford,
in comparison, was pinpoint that everyone talked to during the

(10:51):
week about how it was probably the conservative option going
with him at ten versus the more enterprising Finn Smith
who can also play ten in this England environment. Well
conservative or not, it delivered the result at the end
of the day and George Ford's them out of the
match England won the All Blacks. Contemplating what exactly went wrong.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
And in his first draft, I see that Liam Napier
has already written as saying that our backs seem bereafed
of ideas they do.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
You know, think of the opening try and it came
leictifying a knook who's way he was close to the line.
They also got Cody Taylor over in the left wing corner.
That was some good work, being able to isolate the
English defense in the middle of a park and then
try and maneuver it out wide later on in the
attacking phase. And they managed to do that on a
couple of occasions, but it didn't work throughout the rest

(11:41):
of the game. You could see what they were trying
to do was suckle the defenders into the middle of
the park and then have some opportunities out wide. But
that seemed to be really the only attacking play from
the All Blacks. There was a few times they held
the ball for a number of passengers to play in
the middle of the park, but weren't really going anywhere,
and it seemed like the tactic was to basically wait
for England to give up a penalty, maybe at the ruck,

(12:03):
or allow a moment for England's to feel rather than
the All Blacks creating opportunities on their own. So I'm
with you. I think the All Blacks attack is a
real worry against the top nations in the world. You
look at the way Scotland carried hard last week against
the All Blacks put pressure on them. England did the
same today. We don't seem to have those hard carriers

(12:24):
taking the ball into contact and getting over the advantage line.
We seem to play behind the advantage line a lot
now in Test rugby, which isn't going to gain you
too many points at all.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
So what will Scott Robertson be thinking. I mean, we
know that rugby is a game we have to build
slowly a team and people talk about four year cycles.
I think it's more like a six year cycle and
every six years a team can finally come right if
you work hard on it. What will Scott be thinking
now about where he's got to in his first couple
of years.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Well, it's a good point because that's the seventh loss
of the All Blacks last two years. So this is
a moment where you take a little bit of stock.
Next week against Wales. Wales, you know, going through some
struggles of their own, they're in a rebel projects. So
the All Blacks, barring catastrophe, should go to Wales and
win next week. Let's not entertain the prospect of what
might happen if things go wrong there. But the two

(13:15):
years unto a World Cup cycle, have there been enough
evolutions compared to the e and Foster team that got
to within a point in the World Cup Final in
twenty twenty three, I'd probably say there hasn't been. I
think there needs to be a little bit more innovation.
We're not seeing it. As we touched on the on attack.
The defense comes apart a little bit too easily, and
it doesn't seem like two years out from a World Cup. Yes,

(13:36):
there's been some new players exposed and the team does
look a lot different two years ago, but there's still,
I guess a sense of uncertainty about what the top
players in each position are In certain positions I should
say so yep today you don't want to view in
too much isolation and talk about how big a step
backwards it is. But I think it's an opportunity to
take stop for the All Blacks because they're probably not

(13:56):
where they want to be two years out from a
Rugby World.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Cup, Well said Alan Smith. Well called as well, and
I thank you for your time today and off you go.
Enjoy your time and ticking them, which is going off
right now. Maybe go down to Richmond. Very nice places
down at Richmond. The White Swan's a good place to
drink il Pie Island. I mean, yeah, England, Ah, yeah,
They're just impossible when they win. It's nine to twenty
three the Sunday session. We'll keeping with sport because the

(14:21):
other big story in New Zealand which broke yesterday is
that Joseph Parker has returned an adverse drug test result
on the day of his shock loss to Fabio Wadley
in London and Joe he's back in New Zealand right
now with the six kids and he's shocked at the result.
He couldn't believe it. He's strongly denied any wrongdoing. He's
vowing to clear his name. So to talk about this,

(14:43):
I've got former pro boxer now boxing trainer and commentator
Junior far You may remember Junior himself faced Joe back
in twenty twenty one. Junior, good morning to.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
You, Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
This is completely unlike Joe.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
I think this comes from a shock because of what
was found in his system. Now, I just want to
point out that even as a band substance, it's it's
not considered a performance enhancing drug. So this is completely
for like, you know, recreational use. So this is a
bit of a shock in terms of like lifestyle choice

(15:19):
and from from the boxing world, Joe Parker is very
very beloved. Everyone loves him. Yeah, so this comes to
a shock to everyone.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Absolutely. I saw Eddie Hern on the TV last night
who said, this is absolutely not like Joseph Parker. That
was the first reaction I had. You know, this is
a family man, he's a good boy, and he's not
he's not a coke deal. But we don't even know
exactly what the drug is. What do you read into that?

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, I mean it's Yeah, I find it quite interesting.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
I find it very interesting in terms of people's perception
of Joseph Parker and people's perception online in general. I
think this can this can really just sort people's image
of of of someone else.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Social media media.

Speaker 7 (16:05):
When I live in the day and age of like
seeing as believing you can put out whatever you want
out there and that's why people will believe and so
uh and and so on saying that, uh, this, this
to me doesn't really come to as a big surprise
only because of I know who Joseph Parker hangs.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
I've been like, there's a there's a big influence of
Tyson Fury, and there's also a massive history there with
with with with with like drug you say, I'm not
saying that, you know, he also takes it, But when
this came out, I'm just like, oh, well, shoot, okay, yeah, okay.
Maybe maybe there's a bit of like, you know, influence there,
but in terms of like anything to deal with the sport,

(16:46):
I think this is just yeah, this is this is
just odd only because of the time that it came
only because they tested them on the day of the fight,
and then it came back to kind of have some
kind of cocaine ingredient in there, and that's a big
shop because I'm just like, that doesn't seem right.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
So Joey's gonna fight this obviously, And we've seen this
happen in many sports. Tennis is a big one. You know,
you get an accusation, then you fight, then they test
the sample again, and then it sort of goes to tribunal.
Then of course lawyers get involved, and it can drag
on for quite some time. And of course, if you
believe you're innocent, you're going to fight to the end,
and if they believe you're guilty, they're going to fight
to the end. So what happens to Joseph now? Is

(17:26):
he now on hold until this whole issue is sorted out?
Can he still carry on with his career?

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (17:35):
I mean, especially in the sport of boxing, We'll see
this happened quite a lot, and it's but it's mostly
for worse things. It's mostly people getting popped for performance
enhancing drugs, So those are worse crimes. This isn't as
much of a bad crime, So so to me, it's
not that much of a big deal. I just believe
right now he's in basically no man's and he's just

(17:57):
waiting for them to test and test the other sample
and just kind of go from there whether whether they
do kind of instill the band. I don't believe the
band will be for a long period of time. There
was talks on him possibly facing the two year band.
I think if you're going to face a two year band,
it has to be for a performance enhancing drug, not
a recreational one. So if they do instill Want, it

(18:19):
will only be for a few months, I believe.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
But you combine this along with the lost of Fabio
and the fact that he is thirty three years of age,
this has all been it's been a bad six months
for Joseph.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
Really yeah, I mean it's actually been like a bad
year for Joseph Parker, only because he's been left in
the dark. He's been promoted wrongly. I believe he's been
He's in the camp of Frank Warren, who operates out
of Queensberry and England, and I believe that Queensbury, which

(18:52):
is England based, they put their fighters first, and Joseph
Parker has been in line to fight for the undisputed
title for a long time now and they never gave
him their chance, and then he finally got a chance
to possibly get in line for that, and then he
is taken out by five year Wardley. So for the
past year he's been on the back seat, just basically

(19:13):
waiting for his turn. So very very unlucky for.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Joe, no exactly, and that also will motivate him to
have one last big gig, one last big fight. So
there we go, Hey, Junior, can I just say I
went to the Joseph Parker at Junior Far fight at
Spark Arena, and at the time it was the biggest
fight in the world because we were the only place
that was clear of COVID and we were the only
place that could have a stadium, and it was. It
was a great night, Junior, and I thank you for that.

(19:36):
And I also remember it that just before the fight started,
of course, all our phones started doing the warning signal
saying that the country's about to Auckland is about to
close down for COVID again. So it was the last
great hurrah and I walked out of that going, well,
that was a funny old night. Goodness, that's right.

Speaker 7 (19:54):
I definitely remember that big time for the fight and
for that COVID warning as well. We thought that we
were out next but we're going back in here.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
I thought, yeah, it's going to be a drawing. They're
going to call the fight off, but no, we went
to the Hey, Junior, thank you so much for your
time today. That is Junior Farr, boxer now boxing trainer
and commentator, and we wait to see what happens with Joe.
It is twenty nine minutes after ten. Thomas Coglan is
joining us next. He is The Herald's political editor. Of course,
the big thing is the mix skimming fallout, which was

(20:23):
a story that I tired of very quickly because it
was just so bad. But we will talk about that
also to Patimari and their implosion and what that might
mean for John Tammer Heerry, but what it might also
mean for the Labor Party. This is the Sunday Session.
I'm Andrew Dickins in for Francesca Ruggan. It's nine thirty.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
At B Andrew Dickins filling in for Francisca at the time.
Now twenty eight minutes to ten. Rod, Good morning to you, Rod,
textas on my comments about everything being on your phone
these days. Goodbye to the wallet, Rod, carries twenty Chris
new consecutively numbered fifty dollars notes in his money class
back pocket say comforting feeling transmitted every time I sit down,

(21:10):
I know I'm immune from any techi trouble. He also
dips it into it from time to time to buy
coffees and sometimes buys coffees for a stranger. So yeah,
cash still is kind of a king. But at the
same time, everyone's talking about if it's all on the phone,
you know, you you could lose the phone, and the
phone is so vulnerable to text stuff. But that's just

(21:31):
the way the whole world has gone. You either have
to join them or worry. Okay, let's talk politics. Thomas
Coglan is The Herald's political editor and joins it now.
Tom Gooday, good morning. All week long it was job
mix skimming and then the fallout and who knew what
at the top level. So where are we at with
this now?

Speaker 8 (21:52):
Yeah, well, it looks like the former Commissioner Andrew Costa
is probably going to make an exit from his current
job as the chief executive of the Social and Investment Agency.
He moved the last year after police his positions pretty untenable.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
That he did not act on.

Speaker 8 (22:17):
His Deputy Commissioner Javon Max Skinning and actually, despite not
knowing the truth of what unwittingly, effectively unwittingly helped cover
up the sort of scandal by by making it less
likely that the complaints are investigated. So there has made
his position untenable. He's in an employment process with the

(22:40):
Public Service Commission, who is as an official employer, as
a public Service chief executive. It's pretty clear that ministers
have lost confidence in him, so he is just having
having a chat with the Commission. I I mentioned about
the terms of his exit.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Absolutely. The key point, the key word I just heard
in your sentence was unwittingly. And that's really what we
need to really prove, beyond doubt, whether Andy cost whether
his actions were unwitting or whether he knew exactly what
was happening. And he was and he was he was
going against Chambers, and he was wanting his man mix

(23:14):
Skimming to get the next job, and he was prepared
to hide it or not.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
Well, I think yes, I mean I don't think there
is any evidence that that Costa knew what what mix
Skimming had done. I think he's what what Coster did
know was that Chambers, sorry, mix Skimming had had an affair.
Uh and and the affair had ended in in in

(23:40):
bad in a bad way. Uh and and and he
seems to have believed that this was simply a case
of of a jilted x ex lover trying to smear
the reputation of mix Skimming, and he didn't seem to
do anything to uncover the truth of the matter, which
is that you know, mix Skimming have done had done
some serious, serious wrong here. So I think even if

(24:02):
it was unwitting which that that is all the evidence
we have is that is that it was unwittingly done,
it shows that he you know that that cost It
simply wasn't a very good cop.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Well, hey, exactly. And the other thing, I mean, we're
looking at political fallout, and of course for the people
who appointed cost it was the previous regime, so people
are using that against them and I get that. But
the real, the real victim in all of this is
trusting the police. And the first time I heard this story,
it instantly took me back to Sholam and Shipton and

(24:36):
Rickard and Louise Nicholas and all that story that we
had before, and now it turns out the same sort
of behavior of you know, of of conspiring and also
helping each other as as mates, went all the way
to the very top of the police. So what are
how could the police actually restore trust even though I

(24:56):
know that Chambers is doing a great job of it
by coming out so strongly.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
Yeah, I think, and I think there are a couple
of things which are helpfully different in this situation. You know,
we've seen a bit of commentary this week that actually
the police have made some good strides at the sort
of beat level. The the the Louise Nicholas scandal basically uncovered,
you know, widespread cover ups, widespread problems at many local

(25:24):
police stations around the country where where police use their
their power and standing within the community to to do
bad things and then not be held account held accountable
for them. That is, you know that that was a
terrible scandal just for how broad it was, that covered
the whole kind of country and not just Rush. This

(25:44):
scandal is a sort of a different one because it
actually involves a small number of people right at the
top of the police. And so what you haven't seen
in this scandal is that there is a widespread culture
within the whole organization, which is you know, thousands and
thousands of sworn officers and hundreds of public servants non
swom public servants, maybe thousands of them as well. Actually

(26:05):
I don't know the number of What this shows is
a is a really bad thing occurring with very powerful
people who should know better. At the same time, however,
it does I suppose if you look for any positives
in this in this scandal, and there are vanishingly few positives,
it is that it only involves a small number of
very powerful people who who are you know, currently being

(26:28):
excised from their roles within the public service.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Now let's move to another issue. What's happening with two
party Maori's slow motion collapse. We know that two people
have gone, now with any Copra possibly going, we don't
know what's happening with a couple of the others. It
seems like the whole party is fragmenting.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
It is.

Speaker 8 (26:46):
The party seems to be falling apart. It seems, I mean,
the only two people who are surely in the party
still are the co leaders Rowdy White Tea and Debi
Nadiba Pecker. Of course, you've got Hanna and after Mipy
Clark there the big bright, young hope for the future.
She's pretty quiet at the moment, but she's seems to

(27:06):
be pretty pretty squarely in their camp as well. But
I mean quite a remarkable split, like they've lost a
third of their caucus, could lose half their caucus, and
it doesn't seem to be any kind of end to
it because obviously now that they're split, they've got a
whole nother party in Parliament to contend with a whole
other party to potentially fight the seats over next election.

(27:29):
So I don't if anyone's guess where and when this
will end exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I know that the Labor Party jumping up and down saying, right,
we can get these we can get these Malori seats back,
but that will do them no good. Whatso where if
they get the Malory seats back but they don't lift
their party vote, because then they'll just replace you know,
List MPs with Maori and p's and get no more,
no more mandate.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (27:48):
Yeah, the benefit the benefit of having the Maori Party
in Parliament is that the benefit of having the Malori
Party in Parliament is that they the people in the
voters and the Maori seats do tend to split their vote.
And what that means is as the left gets what
has a good chance of getting a nice overhand after
the election, which is basically a free season the House

(28:09):
to make it easier to former government.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
All right, well we'll follow the story. You'll follow the story.
We'll keep on seeing how far this goes and what
it will mean. And I thank you so much. That's
Thomas Coglan, who is The Herald's political editor. How do
you take many holidays? Mike Hosking? Let's talk about Mike.
Have you noticed that Mike now only takes holidays over
Christmas New Year, and he takes a big one, but

(28:33):
he works all year long. Now that the kids of
their school, he doesn't take the school holidays all year long.
I mean, everybody else goes for holidays normally because of
the kids, but not Mike. He's there every day and
he loves it. It turns out a lot of us
are like this. And a new study has come up
with some figures about who cannot disengage from work and

(28:54):
who just keeps on working all the way through. And
should we be worried We're going to talk to a
guy who's a professor of management who understands these sorts
of things. Next, it is nineteen to ten. This is
the Sunday Session and I'm Andrew Dickins.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
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Speaker 2 (29:13):
It is seventeen minutes to ten and Nika Moha is
our very special guest after ten o'clock this morning. So
we know her from her pop stard and we know
her from the Telly. What's she up to these days? Well,
she's recorded a new album. She has a new passion.
You'll hear about what that is. You can hear her
performing tonight with a whole lot of other people. Next week, sorry,
next week with a whole lot of other people, because
she's doing something else. And she's also got a bit

(29:35):
of an issue with diabetes. So Anika and Francesca Ruken
are in conversation after ten o'clock this morning. Now, I
walked into work this morning and then the lobby there's
a Christmas tree. It's the sixteenth of November. I shouldn't
be surprised, so obviously here it comes. Christmas holidays are
fast approaching and this is where many New Zealanders get

(29:57):
out of the office, kickback and relax. But do they
According to a new study, we're not all that good
at leaving work behind when we're on holiday. Over half
of us do not fully disconnect when we go on
annual leave. We're still think and think and thinking about
the work all the time. We're not really you know,
going to another place. And there's even weird figures in

(30:18):
there as well, including the number of people who just
don't take holidays at all. So to talk us through
the findings of the survey, the guy who did it,
Massive University professor of Management, doctor Jared har joins me. Now, Jared,
good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (30:31):
You know what A good morning?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Okay, So we do not disconnect that surprise you.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
Well, I guess it doesn't surprise me. Sadly, I have
to say I wish we were. So there's I mean,
as you said, slightly less than half are totally disconnecting. Now,
the people that basically work while on holiday, which does
seem to be an oxymoron, is quite low at just

(30:58):
under seven and a half percent, but it is indicative
I think of our modern day working society that it
is it's just so easy to check your work emails
on your smartphone, even down the beach. Right you might
not be able to see the screen well, but and
so unfortunately, you know, and that has repercussions for our wellbeing.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I was going to say, is there any real problem
with that? Because work actually defines at least fifty percent
of our life. Then you've got family, and you've got
your own own leisure activities, but work is very important.
And should we just if we're taking our four or
five weeks if we're lucky, you know, or three weeks
in taking that time, is it better to actually somewhat

(31:43):
disconnect but still keep our mind on the ball.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
No.

Speaker 9 (31:46):
I think it is totally fine if you can to disconnect.
The wellbeing advantages are quite clear. I think if you're
if you're the kind of person and this will be
an individual difference thing. If you like, oh, I'm just
going to check my email every odd day or something
like that, I totally respect that and think that's totally fine.
But there are people saying, basically, I took a week's leave,

(32:09):
I opened up my laptop and I did eight hours
of work and asked this kind of like, yeah, one
is to wonder why you took the leave.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Then, right, all right, well here we go talking about leave.
Thirty six percent of the people you surveyed had taken
one week or less in the year. Eleven point six
percent had taken no leave at all. Now my question
is what do you put that down to. Now, there
are some people with business as small, small enterprises where
they just feel that they can't they feel a pressure

(32:38):
to do that. But I also think there's an awful
lot of people who just love their job.

Speaker 9 (32:43):
Cool. Yeah, I don't know if the data says there's
a whole that they're all loving their job. I think
a lot of it. Maybe people are just stockpiling at
all to the Christmas holidays, so they're probably going, yes,
I've finally made it to you know, the week before Christmas,
and I've got the next five weeks off because I've
saved all my holidays and all those kind of public

(33:06):
holidays going on there. And again I think that's totally fine.
We do get quite a few days paid leave throughout
the year, so I think again those might be quite
you know, strategic people, although there is you know, there's
ten percent who have used all of their leave now
they maybe they're you know, those in the hospitality time

(33:29):
who just think, actually, you know, December January is the
busiest time of the year for me and there is
no leave.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
So I who should worry about this? That this is
personal responsibility? You know, you know what makes you feel good,
you know, what makes you feel right? Or should employers
be worried when they realize that they've got some real
workaholics there who are not taking any leave at all,
or only one week of leave, and they're not disconnecting
at all, and not they don't have a balance.

Speaker 9 (33:58):
Yeah, I think so. I think I think there is
a play here from both the organization and the individual.
The data would suggest it's more the individual than the organization.
So maybe the organization should be saying, hey, I'm reminding
you all, we've got Christmas break coming up. We're closed
for two or three weeks. Please disconnect, recharge your better,

(34:21):
you know. And if somebody is still checking their emails
because that's what they like to do, that's not a problem,
right because you're just thinking, I can't do anything about those,
you know, you know, And maybe the workaholics maybe they
you know, they're just wired that way. But trying to
encourage everybody else to say, hey, b you know, be

(34:43):
one who might check is on you know his or
her email, you know once or twice for the week,
not not five times, you know an hour or something.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Good advice and enjoy your holiday. Massive University Professor of Management,
doctor Jared her was my very special guest. John's written
and said I started working back in nineteen sixty six
and I've had one two week holiday in nineteen eighty one.
That is one holiday in fifty nine years. Hey, another
person rights wanted to take leave, but no staff to

(35:13):
cover it while I'm away, so it was declined you
can take leave, you should take people. I'm a little
a lot guy. I'm a weak here week week, they're
week there, Mike. As we know, big holiday then works
all year long. Thank god. It is eleven to ten.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Thanks about regulatory standards bill got through, Dando drove it
through in the Minister River Regulation.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
They would see more of the Labor Party will flip it.

Speaker 9 (35:40):
Well, I mean that's of course if the Labour Party.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, I get all that, but if you haven't got
broad bays support.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
On yes and No.

Speaker 10 (35:45):
David Parker one of the more thoughtful guys I think
would have been open to it. Duncan were bellows that
he's not actually standing for christ Duke Central, so frankly,
he's shooting blanks. Elena Williams stood up in the debates,
sung for the first two minutes, then cried, then talk
about her ancestors, and then made some incoherent points about
the legislation. So I am sad that we don't have
cross party support in those circumstances. It is challenging.

Speaker 7 (36:09):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk zed B.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Keep it simple, It's Sunday, the Sunday Session with Andrew
Dickens and Whitkles for the best selection of grape breaths
used Talk zed B.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
So much.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
As his bigot hit probably Lenny Krabitz, actor singer who
I've already seen three times in my life. I've seen
him in Los Angeles, I've seen him in London, and
I've seen him in the South of France and last
night I could have seen him at Spark Arena because
he played awkward last night. Here's the thing about Lenny.
And here's the thing about the cost of living. When
Lenny first said he was coming, I mean, ALLO want

(36:56):
to see this guy, But the price for the tickets
was just insane. But as time got closer to the gig,
all of a sudden, she per tickets started coming up.
If you could have bought a ticket on the floor
well for seventy nine dollars yesterday, And in fact, yesterday
I got sent a link saying you want to get
a free ticket to Lenny Kravitz. They call papering tickets,
and so they fill in the gaps in the audience

(37:18):
so the guy doesn't come out and go, oh, there's
a lot of empty seats here. And so I could
have got a ticket to Lenny Cravitz last night for free.
And that surprises me because he's such a big star,
such had all the music. But it shows you the
people don't have the ding, people don't have the spear
cash to go to very expensive concerts. So maybe it's time.

(37:40):
If you're a bit wobbly about a concert, just wait
to the very end and see what ticket Master does,
and you'll be surprised what you can get in terms
of a deal. Now on the way, Oh, I'm doing
an air break and then on the way, yeah, on
the way, I'm going to tell you what's coming up.
This is the Sunday Session with Andrew Dickens. Filling in.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
The Sunday Session Full show podcast on my Heart Radio
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Speaker 2 (38:06):
News Sooks BEP. I'm Mandrew Dickens text coming through about
the holidays made. I'm self employed, a farmer and a contractor.
I haven't had a day off in years and years
because I have a heap of work in the cost
of living. And someone else says for many work is
the only sense of purpose they have, which is sad.
Or you say that some of those people who for
whom work is the only sense of purpose are our

(38:27):
most productive people. So it's about knowing yourself, isn't it. Hey,
listen to this. It's a Nika Mayer. It's becus such
a lovely voice. Then she went on the TV and
did outrageous interviews. You may remember that. So what's she
up to these days. She's actually part of a choir,
the Jubilation Choir, and they're performing next week, and she's
battling with a bit of diabetes and she's recording a

(38:48):
new album and she's doing some acting and she spoke
with Francesca Rugken earlier this week and she's going to
be on the radio right after the News with Diana,
which is next.

Speaker 11 (39:01):
It's quite lowe.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
It's the Sunday Session with Andrew Dickens and Wickles for
the best selection of great Reads on News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Good morning to you. Francesca's got an attack of the
tummy bug and so couldn't make it today, so I'm
Andrew Dickens filling it on the way. Well in a
few moments. Andykamore later Steve Newell from flicks dot co
dot m Z, we might play some Metallica because they're
playing Eden Park this week. We had to talk about
the New Zealand Screen Awards. Michelle Dickinson and our Girl

(39:58):
is here to talk science a bit later on as well.
It's all go. You can text me anytime you like.
Ninety two. Ninety two is the number. It is eight
minutes after ten. Small charge does apply if you are
texting now. Have you ever heard about the Jubilation Choir?
The Jubilation Choir was set up by a guy called
Rick Bryant who was a good old soul singer, Rick
Bryant and the Giant Bombers, And what he used to

(40:19):
do is just get all sorts of just normal people
all together to sing in a inn a choir. They
used to practice up at All Saints' Church, Ponsby Road
and you go past on a Sunday morning and the
place was ringing with pop and rock and gospel and soul,
all sung by a whole lot of hippies, all enjoying
the community of being together and having a sing. The
Jubilation Choir has been going for twenty five years, and

(40:41):
of course Rick passed away, so there was always some
worry about what might happen to the choir. Well, the
good news is the choir is still going and in fact,
next Sunday the choir will be performing. And not only that,
there's a new development. The choir will be joined by
three great powerhouses from New Zealand music, Julia Dean's EXCEP

(41:01):
fur Patrol Bella Cololo and the one and only Annika Moore.
So earlier this week Francesca sat down with Anica and
had a chat about the choir and asked Ganika if
there was a revival in the choir or an increased
appreciation for the choir since the passing of Rick.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
I think, I think so.

Speaker 12 (41:21):
I mean, the Jubilation Choir has been going for like
twenty five years and they're really they're really lovely. We
had our first rehearsal the other night, and the things
that that, the arrangements that they were doing, the enthusiasm.
I was like, I hope, and I don't mean to
sell this as a little backclap, but I hope when
I'm that age, I'm as enthusiastic about life as them,

(41:44):
because it's so fun.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
I remember growing up in christ Church.

Speaker 12 (41:48):
I was in all the choirs and I was in
the Special Choir, and we'd plainly and I would sing
at the town hall and we'd sing all our our
Christian songs and our and our lark song, and you know,
my favorite one to do was.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
Cotton candycott in Candy lovely sticky stuff. And I was
just such a geek. I was. I was a singing nud.

Speaker 13 (42:09):
But I mean I know that you know you've collaborated
and performed with lots of artists quite often, but have
you as.

Speaker 14 (42:15):
An adult sing at a choir.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
No, and you know what I.

Speaker 12 (42:19):
Said, I'd love to do an a choir, and the
lady from the Jubilation I was like, I don't actually
have time. I wish I could, but I've got other
things that that keep me saying. So it's nice to
be a part of this project because you know, we've
got two shows. It's it's in and out. It's doing

(42:40):
our favorite songs of ours. And I get to sing
with Dulia Dean's and Bellaculor or what what's you know?
That's that's a pretty good Sunday absolutely.

Speaker 13 (42:48):
I mean Jubilation Choiet. There are some pretty well known
names in it. I mean these people can sing. You've
got Jackie Clark and Jennifer ward Leland.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

Speaker 10 (42:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (42:59):
I actually spotted a few other people I knew too,
and I was like, oh, you're in the choir. Don't
you own a shop on Bloody Blood right?

Speaker 6 (43:06):
They're like mm hmm, yeah, it's I think that.

Speaker 12 (43:09):
You know, they meet every Tuesday, they do these shows
that they did this one show with the Chaffoo's Egg
Dad Sorry to Ness, and they said it blew them away,
like the crub was just going for it, and he's
playing as drums and they're singing these cool songs and
like that.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
Really, what I like to say is.

Speaker 12 (43:28):
They're branching out, they're trialing different people.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
You know.

Speaker 12 (43:31):
They've asked me to to do a show. You know,
Bella Calora, who's famous, is famous now from Shortened Street,
and I feel honored.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
I feel really honored to get back to my geek face.

Speaker 13 (43:47):
I met Bella the other day actually for the first time.
We were on a photo shoot for a magazine and yeah,
a stunning woman, like she really stunning.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
I've got a little secret about her.

Speaker 12 (43:58):
She I do my kids shows and I always bring
a witch on tour with me to to do harmonies
and to and to go into the audience and to
be with the kids because I'm on stage, you.

Speaker 6 (44:08):
Holding it down. And she was my witch one season. Oh.

Speaker 12 (44:13):
The funny thing is that we'd be off stage and
she'd be saying the most naughtiest things, and then we'd
get on stage.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
We'd be like, hello, kidneys, how are you today. Oh
it's a lovely day.

Speaker 12 (44:24):
But next I'm still thinking about what She's just whispered
in my ear, just for my god stage. So it's
nice to have someone with such a good sense of
humor who I can gel with in a naughty way.

Speaker 13 (44:37):
I love it. Julia Dean's is also on the show.
As you mentioned, you're really close with her. I mean
you two have been good mates and supporters of each
other for a long time.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
I'd say twenty twenty five years. Twenty five years.

Speaker 12 (44:51):
And she's doing a new song actually on our shows,
and the quiet arrangement she did because she's amazing with harmonies,
and it just I just sat there with my kids
and I was just like, Wow, Okay, cool that that's
my She's always been my goalpost. She's always been the
person I've always looked up to, and now I kind

(45:12):
of look down to her. She's a bit shorter than me,
And how amazing for her for all of us to
be a passed in our well in our forties writing
great music, still writing great music.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
So I can't wait to hear that song live.

Speaker 13 (45:30):
What do you think it is that brings people together
to sing? Is it is it about connection? Is it
sort of that communal experience.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
I think it's a communal experience.

Speaker 12 (45:41):
I think that it's it's a real far no vibe
and everyone searching for their place. I didn't grow up
on am I. I didn't grow up with my EWI
and I always go up north and search for people
that that that might be far no, because I feel
like I want to be a part of something.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
So I think a quiet.

Speaker 12 (45:59):
Experience is almost well, it is kind of on par
because you're just not play soccer with your mates. You
know each he still plays soccer. He's used to go
watch him play soccer and he and it's part of
a team and he's part of a world. And I
think being a musician can sometimes be a lonely place
as well, because you know you're either in a band

(46:19):
or your solo and.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
You overthink things.

Speaker 12 (46:23):
You're anxious, you're introverted, are not But it's nice to
be part of something.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
It really is.

Speaker 14 (46:31):
What songs you singing? Can you tell us?

Speaker 6 (46:33):
Oh, I'm going to do dreams in my head?

Speaker 12 (46:36):
And another song I wrote from my third album and
songs are tired. And I'm doing a couple of covers
that they asked me to do, which I'm excited about.
And one of them is really really cool from a
nineties brick pop band. I don't know what Bella's doing.
But I yeah, Dulia's doing one of your older songs
and then a new song, and I think, and then

(46:56):
we're all we're all singing together on a classic Kiwi song.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
Oh I tell you what it is.

Speaker 12 (47:03):
All I can say is that I really had to
try my artist because the woman who sings the song
has an amazing voice.

Speaker 13 (47:10):
And I'm like, here's this might be an odd question,
but if you're singing with the choir, how how do
you change a song to if you take one of
your songs which you'll use of singing as a solo artist,
do you change it much to you know, to fit
acquire it.

Speaker 12 (47:28):
Well, they haven't changed my songs much because they they
arranged it as per the strings on the songs, maybe
adding adding a few flourishes here and there. My friend
Bruce Lynch did all the strings for the two songs
I'm doing, and so they just basically got every part
and reenacted. So they're my strings, that my string choir.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
It's clever.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
I know, it's amazing.

Speaker 13 (47:53):
Now I'm very excited because I've heard a little rumor
that you're working or you're almost finished your first album
for adults in almost a decade.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
What has been taken a long time?

Speaker 13 (48:06):
What's been in that process of writing and recording this album?
What's that been like?

Speaker 12 (48:10):
Well, usually i work really fast, but this time I
haven't because I've really put a lot more thought into
how i want to be placed and how I see
myself fitting in the old tenor of today as a musician,
because sometimes you have your lulls and then you come
back and then you lull. I've been working with Jeremy Toy,

(48:33):
who's an amazing producer. Our kids go the same school,
so we drop in school, I take my dogs for
a walking them, and then will turn up and rehearse,
and then too.

Speaker 6 (48:41):
Saidie, oh, we've got to get our kids.

Speaker 12 (48:45):
But the best thing about him is very very fluid.
So if I've got a sick kid at home, if
I'm having a bad day, whatever, I'm like next week.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
So we're nearly finished.

Speaker 12 (48:54):
We're just mixing it at the moment, and I'm going
to tour it next year, and I'm going to but
I'm going.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
To start from the start.

Speaker 12 (49:02):
I'm going to tour little bars and houses and I'm
doing I'm doing grassroots again because i want to connect
with people again.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
I don't. I don't want to put out a single
and then go.

Speaker 12 (49:12):
Yeah, you go, I'm off on holiday, and I want
to I want to be part of the community, the
people that love music.

Speaker 13 (49:22):
I think people are really responding to that at the
moment too. I think we're all looking for that, you know,
intimacy and sort of connection and belonging, and you.

Speaker 12 (49:30):
Know, I think, yeah, and I think it's really important.
You know, a lot of my crowded women who are
going through perimenopause, who their kids are leaving home, and
I've still got young ones. But I'm starting to branch
out and and feel myself again, even though I don't.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Feel myself because I'm going through perimenopause.

Speaker 12 (49:49):
But I'm trying my best to punch through a wall
of all everything in my life to then find simpleness
and doing shows, you know, turning up at the door
and going hey, guys, welcome to the show, and not
being backstage being too cold to talk to people, and
you know, we all go through those phases in our twenties.
And yeah, I'm just looking forward to playing new music

(50:11):
to people who won't expect what I have to show them.

Speaker 13 (50:17):
So can I ask you more than happy to leave
it as a surprise when the album comes out. But
where do you sort of see yourself fit into the
contemporary music scene.

Speaker 12 (50:28):
Well, finally, I really look up to Red Fountain, and
she was one of those oh wow, what are you doing?
You know with her career and with her songwriting, and
I just I believe a songwriting just getting better and better.
So I want to be better and better because I
challenge myself to write a better music, better songs, more

(50:51):
heartfelt stuff. So I guess I see I'm in that
camp of finding myself again and then putting it out
there and then people finding me, not pushing anything on people,
just going here, this is me.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
How am I? Let's go? Let's go.

Speaker 13 (51:11):
Ever, since I've known you, you've had an incredible work ethic.
You've just worked and worked and worked, and of course
you're working in radio for a long time. You decided
to step away and make some changes to your life
in order to manage you know, your mental and physical
health better.

Speaker 14 (51:25):
How has the slower life changed you?

Speaker 6 (51:30):
When I say.

Speaker 12 (51:31):
Slowing down, that means only seventy five percent.

Speaker 14 (51:34):
So well that's what That's what I'm sort of intrigued about.

Speaker 13 (51:37):
You know, is it easy to step back and slow
down when you've always been that kind of person that's
always pushed and pushed and work and work.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
I can't. I'd like to, but my brain won't let me.
And I enjoy.

Speaker 12 (51:50):
I enjoy the excitement of doing things too much, you know,
going out for dinners and doing gigs.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
And I've been trying new things this year. So I've
been taking acting classes. Oh gosh, a long way.

Speaker 10 (52:02):
To go there.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
I got a new agent.

Speaker 12 (52:05):
I've been doing auditions for movies and TV series and
that's a challenge for me because I'm.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
Very bad at being vulnerable.

Speaker 12 (52:14):
So I'm learning so that, you know, for me to
get out of my comfort zone. Even though I act,
but I just don't. I want to do serious acting,
which is so cliche, but it's true.

Speaker 14 (52:27):
Acting's hard.

Speaker 13 (52:29):
It's something which I think, it's something which people don't
understand if you've never been on a seat or a
stage or something on a stage. But I tried to
act twenty years ago. I'm so bad.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
It's yeah, it's so high specious.

Speaker 12 (52:43):
People are looking at you and you're like, I mean,
I did this two day one on acting class and
it was kind of like a healing yoga class as well,
and oh godness, you've close your eyes and I'd be like,
oh god on God, has everyone closer? Like I just
was in my head too much? But I'm learning that's
what I want to do going forward. And you know,

(53:03):
we'll see if you see serious nicks on on on
the TV have a little half.

Speaker 13 (53:10):
I haven't spoken to you since you released your debut
children's book, The Witch of Makatu and.

Speaker 14 (53:14):
The Bleating Lambs.

Speaker 13 (53:15):
I want to congratulate you because you were a finalist
in the New Zealand Book Awards for Children and Young Adults. Yeah,
are you even though you've got an album on the
go and you're starting a new career as an actor,
are you?

Speaker 14 (53:26):
Are you encouraged to write more?

Speaker 12 (53:29):
I wish I could say yes, But you know that
there's that that that lead up to Christmas as a parent,
and you're just trying your best to keep your head
above water.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
That's I'm today.

Speaker 12 (53:39):
I'm head above watering day and I've got so much
on and I'm like, and you know, you got your
tech list and you're just taking it off and ticking
it off, and so.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
I can't remember what your question.

Speaker 13 (53:50):
Was, but I think you've summed it out. I think
you've answered it perfectly.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
There.

Speaker 13 (53:54):
I always have a picture of is it the duck
or the swan that people talk about, which looks like
it's gliding gracefully across the lake, but underneath the little
feet are going furiously.

Speaker 14 (54:03):
That kind of explains life.

Speaker 6 (54:05):
Right, that's me, that's me.

Speaker 12 (54:07):
And yeah, but you know, put that in with twenty
four hour seven maintenance of type one diabetes.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
It's pretty wild.

Speaker 14 (54:16):
How is how is that going?

Speaker 13 (54:18):
Because it's a big thing to get your hair around,
and it takes time, doesn't it.

Speaker 14 (54:23):
Yeah, not to manage it.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
I take our hour by hour.

Speaker 12 (54:26):
It's like it's a disease and it could kill me
at any time because of insulin. You give yourself insulin
you you, you carb count, you, sugar count you. It's like, yes,
I was trying to explain it to Julia the other day.
It's like, you're a mathematician, but you've been pit there
without asking for it. And yeah, I'm really good at maths,

(54:47):
but I the math when it comes to giving yourself
in son, trying to give you just enough so that
you live.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
And not too much so you die. It cracks me up,
but also I feel lonely and sad and cry a lot.
So there's there's there's there's ups and downs with it.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
You know.

Speaker 12 (55:07):
If I can turn up to an interview and smile
and talk about it, then I'm so much better for it.

Speaker 13 (55:12):
But I was very pleased to say I saw on
Instagram that you managed this year to have a beautiful
holiday in Greece, which I believe was your first overseas
trip where you were not working.

Speaker 12 (55:24):
Yes, and I really, oh man, it's it's amazing when
you give yourself permission to like I, like you said,
slow down. I mean we were, we were traveling, my
partner and I were just going for it, and those
emails were not being answered. You know, I didn't even
put it I'm away at email. I just didn't reply

(55:44):
to anyone and went to London for three nights to
see Neil Young at Hyde Park, which has been a
bucket the stream for me. So that's my new goal
is to give myself a bit of time out every year,
and I mean save, save like a maniac, because you
can't just you know, not everyone's life is perfect, and

(56:04):
not everyone's a millionnaire, but we're really hard to get
those moments of simplicity and far no time and you know,
kick the kids off.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
Than the nannies.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
I love it.

Speaker 14 (56:18):
Hey, Anica, have a blast singing with the choir.

Speaker 12 (56:21):
We shall we shall so Yeah, Avandale Theater, November the
twenty third, Jubilation Choir with Bella color Or Julia Dean's
and me Anica Moorea.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yes that is Anikamoya. Who else could it be? She
caught up with Francesca earlier this week, and as Anika mentioned,
she is singing with the Jubilation Choir at the Hollywood
Avandale on Sunday the twenty third, and tickets are on
sale now and actually on more on Live Music. I've
had a text through Andrew. I took my parents to
see Cliff Richard at the RTEs Center last night. Look

(56:51):
near full and the old fella has still got it,
just from Gen Metallica playing later this week. So there
are concerts and we're going to talk about that and more,
including the New Zealand Screen Awards with Steve Neule, who's
next here on the Sunday session on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
So relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
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Speaker 3 (58:19):
The Sunday session when.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Life obviously that is Metallica. They are playing live at
eden Park this coming Wednesday. News reports through suggests that
you can't get a hotel room in Auckland on that
day because of that and something else as well, so

(58:53):
it's all good for business. The only disappointing thing I'm
going to Metallica this weekend. Disappointing thing is they're not
doing it in the round. They're doing it like a
traditional concert, which doesn't mean the sound. It means the
sound won't be as awesome as it is when it's
in the realm where everyone is close to the speakers,
but still Wickled sorry Wickled sorry, and still Metallica is

(59:15):
going to be great. And joining me now is Steve Newell,
the editor from flix dot co dot nz. Are you
going to Metallica?

Speaker 7 (59:20):
Mate?

Speaker 15 (59:21):
I'm looking forward to Wednesday. But of course, real metalers
like myself were at Blood Incantation last night at Double
Way in Auckland, US progue metal band who I saw
are correctly described on social media as a mix of
Morbid Angel, Tangerine Dream and Pink Floyd.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Thank you. Then all right with Metallica by the way
evan essence they're playing, and that they're quite operatic and
suicidal tendency. So it's going to be a good night
or around for the positive vibes. I'm sure. Hey, the
New Zealand Screen Awards happening Friday, November the twenty first,
and we've heard some nominations.

Speaker 15 (59:55):
Yes, so this is pulling together both New Zealand's TV
and feature film screen industries. I mean the line so
blurred now anywhere between those two formats, right, But leaving
the pack of film nominations this year, Tina, the rule
of Jenny Penn and Tanu overshadowing the awards to some extent,

(01:00:15):
like the sad passing of Lee Tamohori so recently, it's
gonna be already felt in the room, I think on
Friday night, his sadly final feature of the convert his
six nominations across.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
It's a good film, I like, I think very much.

Speaker 15 (01:00:31):
It's really interestingly, you know, and sadly bookended Lee's career
now with you two really strong.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
He's got something else coming out next year though he
was working on one, so he's got one more still
to come. But the Convert with Guy Peace and of
course Ancient Old New Zealand very good watch. Indeed, speaking
about legends, so Tama Hardy never got the Screen Awards
Legend Prize.

Speaker 12 (01:00:57):
Did he?

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:00:58):
Correct? So the the awards will will I guess it's
a career retrospective celebration TI Award. Previous honorees include Dame
Julie Christie, Oscar Kite, Lee der and Morrale, gunn Ian Mune,
Andrew Shore, et cetera. This year, Sir Sam Neil is
the honorees, so it's going to be great to celebrate

(01:01:18):
him in the room.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Well, look, he almost died. I mean hello, what were
you saying before? You know, sometimes you can go too early,
but sometimes you can go too late, and we went
too late with Lee.

Speaker 15 (01:01:29):
It is a shame. I think we will honor his
career this Friday in the room, but it would have
been great to have him there to do that, you know,
So it's a bit of a shame. So elsewhere in
the in the nominees. On the small screen side, the
Best Drama category includes shows like Broken Wood, Mysteries, The Gone,
A Remarkable Place to Die and Dead Ahead. Shows like

(01:01:49):
The Restaurant That Makes Mistakes, The Traders in New Zealand
and Match Fit Union Versus League are in the Reality
category and Look. Tons of names from Alta and further
abroad are in the Acting and Presented nominees. A bit
like Guy pars mentioned for The Convert, you know you'll
see a couple of international actors in the in this list,
so Acting in presenter nominees include the likes of John Campbell,

(01:02:10):
Julian Dennison, court A Forester, Elizabeth Hawthorne, Martin Henderson, John Lithgow,
maney A Potto did John Sneaking. A couple of internationals,
So John lethgo on Jeffrey Rush, who's also nominated Stars
of the Rule of Jenny Pen which is James Ashcroft's
really chilling retirement community thriller I'm based on Stephen King.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
The first time I ever saw John lethg go on
screen it was the World according to Garp and he
played a transsexual character and the transsexual character's name was ROBERTA.
Muldoon and I remember going to the premiere and we know,
if you hadn't read the book, you didn't know that
this was happening. And when he said I'm ROBERTA. Muldoon,

(01:02:54):
and Muldoon was still around at the time, the entire
theater laughed.

Speaker 15 (01:02:57):
I'm in New Zealand. Does love seeing itself on the
screen right, like it doesn't. It doesn't take much for
for us to point and go that's us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah, exactly right. Oh great, So this is Friday, November
twenty first, are you going to go?

Speaker 15 (01:03:07):
If you go, I'm really looking forward to this. No,
no tax or tails. I'm still figuring it out, but
I'm really looking forward to walking the red carpet and celebrating.
It's gonna be a big night. It's fifty seven categories,
so I'm really curious to see they can't possibly have
fifty seven speeches.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Ah, No, absolutely, it's going to go.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
Go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
It always does. Hey, Steve, thank you so much. Flicks
dot co dot n ZED love your website. Whenever I
want to see a film, I always check to see
where it might be streaming and your it's definitive your website,
and you know I haven't done the show for six
years and you're still here and you've made the websit ever,
made the website better than ever. Exactly right. Thanks for
your time today. It is twenty six minutes to eleven.

(01:03:45):
It's His News Talk to B I'm Andrew Dickens and
for Francesca, doctor Michelle Dickinson is here. In a few
moments time, we're going to talk about gender matters in
aging research because we age different depending on what gender
we own. It is now twenty six to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
It's the Sunday Set with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
It be well Science time now doctor Michelle Dickinson, good
morning to you.

Speaker 14 (01:04:13):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Now. We have another interesting study and this is something
we've become increasingly aware of. But a lot of medical
studies are only done on men.

Speaker 16 (01:04:23):
So the reason why this has happened and it's only
really become like I've known of it for a long time,
but it's because women are complicated. When you test something
medical on a human, there's already enough things going on,
what are they eating, what are their genetics? You don
want to add in hormonal cycles, and women are complex
because we have hormonal cycles and so instead they go,
let's just take that variable out, because our medication might

(01:04:43):
be based on where they are in their cycle. We'll
just do it on a dude.

Speaker 14 (01:04:47):
So it's always been.

Speaker 16 (01:04:49):
Done on men until a very recent way we started going, hey,
you want to test those women drugs on women. Now
it's been really interesting because there's a new study that
came out this week in the journal Aging that basically
shows why you have to test on a whole wide
range of people. And what they did is they were
looking at drugs that extend and life span. And this
has only been done in mice. They don't get too excited,

(01:05:10):
but they took frail elderly mice and they were twenty
five months old, but that's equivalent to seventy five year
olds in humans. And these mice looked old, they acted old,
like they were on their way out. And they basically
discovered a combination of two drugs that expended their lifespan

(01:05:30):
by seventy three percent from the start of the treatment,
which is interesting because often you go, oh, I should
have been taken this since I was young, blah blah blah,
but they just went no, here, these super old frail
mice have some drugs and they were like sprightly happy mice. Again,
so there's hope in the long run. Don't get excited.
It's only on mice increase their lifespan by seventy three
percent and their risk of death at any time decreased threefold.

(01:05:54):
They had better grip, strength, better endurance, they were running
around like young mice. They remembered things, their short to
memory improved. But also importantly they measured blood by markers
and those shifted towards younger health. The levels great only
in the male mice, same drugs, female mice, absolutely no difference,
absolutely not even any sign of improvement. So it would

(01:06:15):
have been very easy for a researcher to go, we've.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
Found the cure. We're going to expand your life.

Speaker 16 (01:06:19):
And previously we would only have tested on male mice
first and then male humans. But like everybody, take this,
but it would only have benefited the male because we
wouldn't have known. This is why we have to talk
about the importance of making sure we test things on
a variety of different people. Why is this, Well, they
actually dug into what was going on and they found
that the female inflammatory signal pathways differ in females and males,

(01:06:42):
and this was actually working on that inflammatory system. Hormonal
environments change aging differently in men and women and the interaction,
so this was an oxytocin based drug. The interaction between
oxytocin and the TGF BEEDA networks, which is the inflammation
ones do not play the same role in female tissues.
So this drug is amazing if you're a male mice.

(01:07:07):
And we just have to be really aware in the
research sector that we would have probably ten years ago
made the conclusion that we have got this jug and
everybody should have it, and the one would have taken
it and nothing would have worked. And if we had
to test it on female mice, which we don't because
they're also complicated, we would have known this. But it's
a good reason for us to make sure that we're
doing good gender testing in our drug research.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Fascinating stuff, Michelle, thank you. Now up next, meat's got expensive,
So what do we do? What do we turned to?
Apparently it's chickpeas and to talk chickpeas. Michael Van der
Elsen is next on News Talks here b This is
the Sunday Session.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
The Sunday Session Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by
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Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Abe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
All right, the big Lotto draw last night, by the way,
three winners. It was a must win, fifty five mil
must win. So we've got three lucky powerball players have
each one eighteen point three million dollars each. And there
were more than a million tickets soldays on Friday. I
believe we got close to three million by the day
time the draw happened. Now here's the thing. Lotto in

(01:08:09):
Z is going to release the locations of the winners
at eleven am, which we're all interested in. But if
you did have a ticket, go check it now so
you're prepared for what is going to be a life
changing moment. It is seventeen to eleven and it's time
to welcome to the program, Michael vander Elsen from Good
from Scratch dot co dot NZ. Mike is lovely to
talk to you again.

Speaker 17 (01:08:30):
It has been a while, such wonderful memories.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Very good, very good. Hey, chickpeas. We're talking chickpias. And
the reason we're talking about chickpies is that meat prices
are going through the roof and people are using chickpeas
for protein.

Speaker 18 (01:08:44):
Yeah, and I thought, you know, I heard about this
on the radio say they seem to think that come Christmas,
the price of all meat is going to go up.
So I was like, well, let's start thinking outside the box.
That start thinking of other things that we can serve
not so much as a replacement, not as a replacement,
but as something you could serve alongside to kind of
fulfill the dinner table and and give you a little

(01:09:07):
bit of replacement. So you're not replacing the meat, you're
possibly cutting down the amount that you're using. So I
thought a roasted carrot with minta mulsion and spiced chickpeas
and chickpeas being the main focus. So shall I I'll
just do the recipe for the spice chickpeas we reckon, Okay,
So pre heat oven one hundred and.

Speaker 17 (01:09:27):
Eighty degrees and then into a bowl. I've got three
cups of drained chickpeas, so that can either be canned drained,
or you can soak them over night and then cook
them on the day. That's by far the better option.
Make sure you salt the water when you cook your chickpeas.
Into a bowl goes three cups of drained chickpeas half
a cup of some flower seeds or quarter them. A
cup of pumpkin seeds, a teaspoon of puff briker, a

(01:09:49):
teaspoon of ground coomen, a teaspoon of ground coriander, some
fresh chilies in there or some dried chilies up to you.
It is a spice chickpea recipe. And then just coat
the whole lot with two tablespoons some plout oil and
a decent pinch of flaky salt. Give that a good
max in the bowl, and and then spread them out
onto an oven tray. Fire them in the oven at

(01:10:10):
one hundred and eighty. You've got to leave them there.
I would go twenty minutes first.

Speaker 18 (01:10:14):
After twenty minutes, just give them a little stir around
and fire them back and for maybe another ten minutes,
so thirty minutes in total. Pull them out and you
can bite into them.

Speaker 9 (01:10:24):
Have a try.

Speaker 18 (01:10:25):
The outside would be nice and crunchy with all their
flavor around the outside. In the center would be nice
and soft, and yeah, fite a delicious snack.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Well, we're using beans and chickpeas a lot. Just you
buy sort of seven dollars worth of meat and then
you beef it up a bit more with the beans
or your chickpeas, so you get a little bit more.
I note in the recipe which will put up online,
you've got a miso emulsion and that's something that since
I last talked to you, that we've started doing. We
use miso all the time. Also, gotcha young, These things

(01:10:52):
really make great taste.

Speaker 17 (01:10:54):
And that they're a great flavor booster. Particularly that meso.
You could put that into stocks, you can put that
into sauces, you put that into soups. I make a
miso homeless which is delicious. Yeah, definitely go out to
your market buy some miso. It's a little bit costly,
but it goes a long way and just keep it
in the fridge.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
At Last River Good Stuff. That is Michael vander Elson
from Good from Scratch dot Co DoD and said love
you to talk to you again. It is fourteen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
There's no better way to start your Sunday. It's the
Sunday Session with Andrew Dickens and Witkles for the best
selection of Great Breeds Youth Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Well, this is News Talks B. It's a Sunday session.
I'm Andrew Dickins filling in for Francesca Rucan, So let's
talk about well being. And it's my great pleasure to
welcome to the program. Erin O'Hara, a natural path, holds
a Bachelor of Science and Physiology and a Bachelor of
Natural Medicine, and welcome into the program.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Got a hell of a shock this morning. I walked
into work and I came through the lobby and the
elves have been at work and there's a big old
Christmas tree there in there, and I thought, oh no,
it's started.

Speaker 19 (01:11:57):
Yep, we're into the holiday season. There's so much holiday
spirit and Christmas parties and it's social gatherings all around exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
So speaking of the spirit, this is a time for
us to think about our drinking.

Speaker 19 (01:12:10):
Yeah, it's a time actually in everywhere around the world,
particularly in New Zealand, we have a very high binge
drinking rate, and as we head into the holiday seasons,
it seems to be a little bit more on steroids,
so there's a lot more people drinking and unfortunately binge drinking,
which is what's actually a big problem, and one in

(01:12:30):
five New Zealand adults actually drink to a hazardous level
which actually affects their health and actually affects themselves and
it puts others at risk as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
How does it affect their health?

Speaker 14 (01:12:42):
Oh, it has a.

Speaker 19 (01:12:42):
Huge effect on your health. If you're drinking excessively long term,
especially the binge drinking habits. It actually loads the liver,
can cause liver disease or alcoholic fatty liver disease, also
heart problems, high blood pressure if you're doing it regularly,
higher risk of stroke, also increase risk of cancer as well,
because your liver is your main detox or get in

(01:13:04):
your body.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Yeah, well, I just have my bloods done the other
day and they said, well, you might want to have
an ultrasound on that liver because I've had a lifetime
of whatever. And the other interesting thing is that apparently
my blood my red blood cells have got a bit
bigger than they should be, and they say that's probably
because of drinking.

Speaker 19 (01:13:23):
Yeah, drinking has a huge effect on your house. At
the end of the day, it is quite toxic to
the body, and there's not a lot of benefits apart
from the fun element of feeling relaxed. But actually, and
it is actually at present because it makes you feel calm,
But actually the load it has on the body that
has to fix your health not just in that moment

(01:13:43):
in time, but if you have a big drinking session
or fix you for days to recover from that time,
but also that long term impact that it's having on
your health as well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Absolutely, and this is the time, as you mentioned right
at the very beginning, that we have an awful lot
of social occasions and it's lovely to have a glass
of wine, maybe two, but when you start having three
or four, when the bottle starts sort of you know, falling,
not good. So what we need to do is address
how we control at least moderation. And so what are
your tips about moderation.

Speaker 19 (01:14:13):
Yeah, so quite often at this time of year, people
think I'm going to start in the new year. But
so instead of thinking that, maybe start looking at your drinking. Now,
know your limits and maybe have a set yourself a
limit when you go to a Christmas party or a
social event, so you know how many drinks you're going
to have. Tracking your drinks across the weeks and know
how many units of our coal you've had across the

(01:14:34):
week can always be really helpful. Maybe slowing down your drinking,
so sipping your our coal holic drinks rather than guzzling
them down. That will actually help you reduce the amount
of drinks that you'll have. And it might be that
typical technique of alternating between an alcoholic drink and maybe
a glass of water or fizzy water to try and
just keep the balance.

Speaker 14 (01:14:54):
You don't overload with alcohol.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Sometimes I think a lot of people just drink purely
because they want something in their hands, and it's not
actually a physiological thing. It's a mental thing, and it's
just something you've got used to over the years. So
if you just go to a water after every drink,
to one and then a water one and then a water,
then you know, then the bladder will start telling you

(01:15:16):
to start but I'll actually.

Speaker 19 (01:15:18):
Have you have the detoxing from the alcohol as well.
Or maybe it's swapping out some of your alcolic drinks
to mocktails or a non alcoholic drink, which nowadays there's
so many options with alcohol free bears, alcohol free drinks
that you could swap out to instead of always having
our colic drink, and that will also help reduce alcohol.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
What about food, of course, you know you eat some
food to mop up the booze. Is that true.

Speaker 19 (01:15:44):
That is absolutely true, and it might be preparing by
having a proper meal before you have your drink or
having snacks while you're drinking, so you can actually help
with keeping that balance of not overloading your system and
also not pre loading with.

Speaker 14 (01:15:59):
Your alcoholic drinks as well.

Speaker 19 (01:16:00):
If you're heading out for a night of Christmas parties instead,
have no alcholic drinks before you go, so you can
then have them and enjoy them with your social workmates
or friends or family.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Now you're a natural path, But do you drink.

Speaker 14 (01:16:13):
I do not drink at all.

Speaker 19 (01:16:15):
I have never really drunk, so I'm not a person
who drinks how cohol. But I said a lot in
my clinic, and particularly this last week, I've seen a
lot more people that have just up to their drinking
recently because of more social events, and it's something that
I think we all need to look.

Speaker 14 (01:16:31):
At me personally.

Speaker 19 (01:16:33):
I was sick as a child, so as a teenager,
and so I've chosen that I don't really drink because
it's the best for my health. So I think you've
got to always look out for what's best for your
health and not be pressured into over drinking or over consume.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Of course and not relying. Perhaps I'm thinking that maybe
you can take a pill, or that there might be
some sort of drug in some way or another that
might actually get you around this. It's actually about having
a natural balance.

Speaker 19 (01:16:57):
It is absolutely a lot of people ask me. They're like, oh,
what can I do to get over hangover? And really, yeah,
you can drink and sleep and eat and get some
electrolytes in. But at the end end of the day,
the number one thing you editor is not over drink.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Good advice, and I thank you so much. Erin O'Hara
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called Are You Trying to Kill Us? Andy has got
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Weldome to you. Welcome to your Sunday. Welcome to the
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a Leny next week with Francesca. Anyway, I'm here and
I'm here for another hour and still to come. This hour,
we've got the panel. We've got Joe McCarroll and Roman
Travis on the panel. We'll talk about to party Mary
and their implosion. We'll talk about disconnecting from work and
also a little bit of a discussion about the all backs.
But I think we've grown up as a nation and
we don't worry so much about the all backs as
we used to. I'll tell you someone who won't worry

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about the will backs, and that's Jason Pine, who's going
to join us for a quick chat about sport before
he has his show from midday today, the Silver Ferns
beat England. Can you imagine what would have happened if
we'd lost both the netball and the rugby? Also Iland
Wallabies and there's some very big football happening. Two Day
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And Meghan Singletons just come back from New York. So
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hour right here on New.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Salsab this Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Well, I'm going to talk about a book that has
the time Are You Trying to Kill Us? How good
is that title? Eh? This is a book all about
adventure racing and it sums up the kind of races
that are organized by a fellow called Andy Reid who's
got a mate called Keith Stevenson, and together they founded

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adventure Racing Corimandal and for twenty years have been putting
on mad mad mad races through the ranges. And in
the end there were so many stories that and he
wrote a book, and yes, it's called are You Going?
Are You Trying to Kill Us? And and he read
joins me, Now, good morning to you, Andy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Yeah, morning Andrew. Nice to nice to hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Are you joining me from the commandel.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
I am you know, I'm just in the sunny Corimandal
at the moment, which part near the Corimandel town.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Oh lovely, okay, west side, So there we go. Wonderful
title for a book. How many times has a competitor
in one of your mad races said are you trying
to kill us?

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
I'm not sure, but the one that did it did
say that, and us the title for the book was
a woman called Kate Callahan. She was a coast to
coast swinner and we made our second adventure race a
little bit on the longside, and at the end of
the race, Keith went to give her a big hug and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
She said, are you going to kill us?

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Well you mentioned Keith. You and him founded all these races,
but he actually passed away back in twenty twenty one.
So this book is kind of a tribute to your mate.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
It is. It's a tribute to to Keith, and it's
also one of the one of the legacies that Keith
left the Coromanders that we together we built a bike
park in the town and we, you know, we need
to raise funds each year to maintain it. It's a
lovely bike park and so the proceeds of this book.
Are all going to go to help maintain that bike park.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Oh, you're a good man, you're a you're a pillar
of the community. And there we go. So what are
you will tell us about the sorts of races you
guys organize?

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
Okay, we don't, we don't now. But over the twenty years,
we organized every year an Adventure Race, the K two
cycle race which you may have heard of, which goes
right around the peninsula, the Cowery Run, which is an
event that we we we used to plant a Cowery
for every competitor that took part. And and so now
we've got we've got about twenty thousand Cowrie in the

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area that we've planted. And and then we had a
couple of other races, a mountain bike and a Mouldi
sport race.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
So what came first, the outdoor racing or the concern
for the environment?

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
I think yeah, they're all sort of into into twined really,
And we started with the Eventure Race, and and straight
away we knew that we could only put these races
on with the help of all our local volunteers, and
so we thought that it was really important, you know,
to put something back into the community. So we set
up a trust called the Spread of Coromandel, and we

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used to we sent kids on our outdoor adventure courses,
you know like OPC and Outward Bound, and also we
wanted to put some back into the environment because we
were using the environment. And that's that's where the tree
idea came from.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Why do people do this? I mean most of us
look at it and go, this is mad. This they're
trying to kill us. Why do people like to put
themselves through the ringer?

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Well, every everyone loves a challenge, I think. But you know,
over the twenty years we had thirty two thousand participants
and then they weren't all mad somewhere that you know,
and they kept coming back, and I think, yeah, there's
lots of reasons. It's it's healthy. You know, you're getting
out in the outdoors. You're going to places that you
wouldn't ordinarily see in everyday life. You're getting to do

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it with your friends. You know, our Adventure race was
a team sport, and you know that was a you
build some really deep friendships taking part in the sport,
because you know, it's not only the event that you're
preparing for, you're going you're going away and doing weekends
together to get ready for it, so it's a great
bonding exercise.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
I did the Pahi Coastal Track, which is at the
very top of the Coromander Potentia, and I did it
with a whole lot of strangers, and those strangers have
become friends, which is what happens when you know, middle
day of the trek is twenty two kilometers and one
thousand meters of vertical climb and so you know that's
half a marathon going up hill and then you end

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out chatting and you end out becoming friends, and it
is very bonding. Once you've got over the pain, when
the dopamine finally hits, you do feel quite good, you do.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
Do you feel lovely? Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
What we went into organizing these events because as you've
already mentioned, you make courses, you unearthed some of these courses,
you actually designed the route. So what went into organizing
the Currimnal Adventure Races.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Well, yeah, we had to make the thing about eventure
racing is it's a secret course every year and the
teams have to navigate their way around the course. So
we just give them the checkpoints marked on the map,
so we would have to go out every year and
find a new course. And sometimes, you know, we ran
out of ideas and the commander so we went further south.
We went down to down to the Chaimis and to

(01:25:11):
Tarana and and a couple of times we went over
to the west coast and in Kafire and Raglan and
it took all our weekends for a few weeks, you know,
exploring different places. And but that was that was part
of the fun of it, you know, because we we
we love getting out into the bush and looking for
new things to well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
You say fun, but you read the book and finding
some of these courses was more perilous for you than
any competitor that then had to had to run on them.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Oh, I know, you're you're quite right there. Yeah, we
had we had a few close, close, close calls during
during our time. Tell me tell me one, well, probably
probably the closest wires we were we were exploring the
old north South track in the in the Cimis and
we'd been we'd been walking for about three hours and
it was pretty overgrown this track, and suddenly we came

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out of some bushes and there were these two hunters
just putting their rifles down, and they came over to
us and they said, God, you guys were lucky. We
weren't wearing any bright clothing or anything and that and
that particular story got into plenty of times the next week,
and I got a phone call from a reporter asking
us about the incident. So as a result of that,

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we had to we have to make sure all our
competitors wore bright orange bean is during during the race.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Good call, I mean, it is wild country. I've also
done the Broken Hill tramp where you go upper hill.
I did it in the middle of the summer. It
was thirty degrees, it was straight up. By the time
I got to the top, I was starting to spin out.
I was you know, I drunk all the water in
two seconds flat, and you know I was getting I
was getting the prickly heat as well. So a lot
of this stuff is very, very full on, very and

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very very perilous. And this is the thing that you
and Keith always said, we can't ask people to do
a race that we haven't already done ourselves. That's exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
Yeah, that was a great area, by the way, the
Broken Hills, We used that quite a couple of times.
But yeah, we would always go and try everything, and
so we we used to incorporate these mystery activities into
the events, you know, to try it. Yeah, basically it's
a fine balance. You know, you want to you want
to give them something that's going to put them outside
of their comfort zone, but at the same time it's
not going to you know, be overly dangerous. So there

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was a really it was really a nice example. We
were driving near Towering one day and we saw these
young mari kids jumping off a cliff into into the river,
and so we went up and had a look and
it was over ten meters tall and Keith, Keith was
Keith was scared of heights and suffered a bit from vertigo.
So but anyway, we got into our into our trunks

(01:27:43):
and jumped in. I jumped in and there's this Keith
was standing there for a minute and this little Marray
kid said to him, what are you waiting for? Mister?

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
So you had to jump in. There you go, there
you go. So there might be some people out there
going I need a good challenge, So why don't you
tell them what sort of challenge you might actually have
presented to your competer to some of the more risky ones,
perhaps some of the more exciting and challenging things that
you see. It to people, this is what you're going
to do if you're going to race my race.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Well, there was one, there was one particular one that
we we found. We found these old gold mines and
up in the hills behind Coromandel, we cleared a track
called the Success and after clearing it, we found these
old gold mines and one of them you had to
abseil down the mine and you ended up in this
sort of chest deep, freezing cold water, so they had
to wear wetsuits and then it was like a maze.

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They had to find their way out of this maze,
and we covered up the entrance with a sheet so
there's no light. And that was probably probably one of
the scariest things that we've got people to do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Have you have you ever lost anyone? Have you ever
lost it, or have you ever seriously injured anyone?

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Not the eventual race, we didn't. We had just three
sort of minor injuries, really, but we did. We certainly
lost people and what our what our second race, there
were three teams that just you know, the race should
have finished at about ten o'clock on Sunday morning, and
these teams still and appeared at midday on Sunday, and
you know, we were getting a bit worried and we

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we were starting to get our search and rescue teams ready,
and fortunately they popped out at about two thirty, much
to our relief. But you know, and every now and
then we'd lose a team, but we'd always we always,
we always, we always found them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
So that's good. That's good because there's always all fun
and games until you lose on them. And nobody's lost
on them yet. And of course the stories around the
pub afterwards are going to be absolutely amazing. Tell me
about the Coramandal, and tell the country about the coramandle
because the whole time it is such a good spot

(01:29:47):
for this sort of back to basics, back to nature
adventurrizing in mountains.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
Yeah, there's I mean, it's it's there's got so many
mountains and for natural native bush and forest and sort
of cower groves and lovely rivers, and it's you know,
you can find we found tracks that probably haven't been
used since the.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Old miners' days.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
You know that it's it's pretty rugged in there. And
but and then then you've got all the incredible coastline
and the islands that you can kayake out to, and
it is a stunning area. It's it's denically beautiful, but
it's also yeah, challenging, and I think that that's what
makes a great adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
And as a as a Corimandal town resident and a
long time Corimandal lover, you've been getting a little bit
worried with the uptick in mining activities. Some of the
old old permits that were granted back in the day
are being refired again. How much threat has the Cormetle
got for this Christine environment to actually once again be

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mined like it was one hundred and forty years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
Yeah, I know, Well there's always a risk and people
are on the high alert up here for that type
of thing, and you know, you have to look at
places like you know, there's one down down in the
south of the car around the range called the Golden Cross,
which is just north of Wayhi, and it's the mining
company you know, as part of the of their contract,

(01:31:16):
had to put millions into putting it back as they
found it. But we used it one year and you
go up there, and it's still got that sort of
slightly antiseptic feel about it. It's it doesn't feel natural,
you know, and so you know, I, you know, I
think we've got to we've got to protect our forests
and that and our and our native fauna wildlife, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
I didn't mention the Broken Hill area before, which was
once upon a time being mined, but then back in
the day they didn't have the technology or the ability
to really find as much gold, and so it was
then reverted back to bush. But now some Australian companies
have those permits and they have the support of the
government and they're saying they can get into it. And
that is that is countryside right behind Pawa Nui and

(01:32:00):
tairua uh and people there are worried that that what
what they love now will be gone.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Yeah, absolutely, I know, And yeah, it is a worry.
And I mean they've tried to tried, you know, over
the over the last twenty years, mining has been tried
in the Commander, but the locals usually, yeah, they they're
pretty they're pretty vocal and as far as chaining themselves
to the to the to the machinery.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
So yes, exactly right, it is the last last great best,
you know, the of the of the the hippie saving
the planet and prepared to chain themselves to machinery. You're
quite right. So how's your season looking this summer.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Well, one one of the good things we've we've lost
our ferry for for a few years, and you know,
we're very fortunate to have had it reinstated this summer,
so that's going to help the town. And and I
think we don't do the events anymore, but when we

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did them, you know, the they created amazing positive energy
around the and hopefully, you know, more and more people
will start setting up events because it does. It does
bring a lot of good to towns and everyone gets involved,
people start getting out on their bikes and walking more,
and yeah, it's just it's just the terrific, terrific thing

(01:33:23):
for the community. We're hoping that we get people coming
to our bike park, which is it's got six kilometers
of mountain bike trails and we've just got some new
toilets put in and it's looking stunning and really good
for the kids. So and it's it's it's like a
family thing, so you know, there's something there for everyone,
so be great if we get people coming up to

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see the bike park.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Well, you're a good man, Andy, and you've written a
good book and you've done great things. And I thank
you so much for your time today.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Yeah, thanks Andrew, it's been lovely chatting to you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
That is Andy Reid, event racer and event organizer. His
book is called Are You Trying to Kill Us? And
if you'd like to buy it, it's available from our events.
It's a r C events ark, Events dot co dot m.
It's in Unity Books. It's at Ferg's Kayaks and Benny's
Bike Shop as well. And this is News Talks. The

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Panels on the Way Joe mchall Roman Travers all backs
to party Mary disconnecting from work. Got a number of
texts saying what about MC skimming. We'll see how the
panel feel about that.

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Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
And we welcome to the session. The panel, Joemy Carroll
and Roman Travers Welcome people.

Speaker 9 (01:36:06):
Morning, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Good to hear from you. Joe. I was going to
talk all back to departibari and disconnecting from work, but
of course the textas are same. We've got to talk
about nick skimming, but at the same time we've been
talking about mixed skimming all week long. And you always
need to shower afterwards. Roman, But this has been bad
for trust and police, Yeah, it really has.

Speaker 20 (01:36:26):
And you know, I'm not opposed to pornography. I'm not
that much of a puritanical, but it's the fact that
he was looking at pornography at work and the level
of pornography, and also the way that the police had
tried to make this go away. My concern is not
the machine that will come in and take care of
this and make the public perception better again. My concern
is the woman at the heart of all of this,

(01:36:48):
who time and time again has been ignored and deferred,
who was forced to some extent to do something illegal.
And I think, you know, what was she supposed to do?
And now the police are going, oh, hang on, that
doesn't look very good and never did.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
No, That's the thing, Joe. First time I heard the story,
it took me back to Sholom and ship him in
Ricards and the way those guys looked after each other's backs,
you know, and I thought, well, this is happening at all.

Speaker 21 (01:37:12):
Hundred percent, Andrew, I mean I absolutely I remember marching
in support of Louise Nicholas and the absolute miscarriage of
justice she faced. And what we are hearing now with
the police are behaving like thugs. They are harassing legitimate victims,
they're engineering convictions.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:37:33):
I mean, you think to yourself, what has changed? And
you mentioned we're talking about it. You know, we've talked
about it a week. I think we have to keep
talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
We can't.

Speaker 21 (01:37:41):
We can't just go, oh, well, hopefully they'll have a
cultural change soon. You know, the thinking saying the police
failed this woman understates it to a point of absurdity.

Speaker 20 (01:37:52):
Yeah, well, at what point with Louise Nichols and all
the work that was done by her trust in the
police college, with her talking to graduating police, at what
point will they start to actually put into action. They're
very learnings they know to be so important.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Now we know Mixciving obviously lost his job, but it
looks like Andy Coster is losing his job as well
because part of it was on the public purse as well.
And I see the Heather of c Allen has written
an editorial today and asked the question, was Andy cost
a bad man? Or was he a bad cop? Joe?

Speaker 21 (01:38:24):
I mean, that is a hard and almost unanswerable question.
I think, without a doubt he did not provide the
cultural leadership that was needed. And I think I think
calling the bad man it's a swing I'm not comfortable with.
But you cannot you cannot say you are not part

(01:38:48):
of the problem, even if you're at the top and
the problem is occurring.

Speaker 20 (01:38:53):
Yeah, well, everyone's complicit at the top. Well I didn't
see that email. Well, I don't really care if you
saw the email or not. You're part of an organization that,
at some point over the coffee cups in the corridors,
you would have known about this issue. And even if
your email is a tree by some secretary, you should
be aware.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
It's your job.

Speaker 20 (01:39:10):
And whether it's tacit approval or complicit or very obvious
or not, things have to change. Because that they don't,
the public perception of the police at that level will change.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
There's a reason why the buck stops at the top,
and Chambers is doing a very good job of saying right,
buck stops here. So we'll see how this comes out. Meanwhile,
the other big political story right now has been to
Patti Marii, who are spectacularly imploding. First there was a
couple of guys gone, and then redly Copra looks like
she's gone, and then Hannah, we don't know what she's doing.

(01:39:42):
And I see Thomas Cocklin this morning said it looks
like the Maori party now are down to just two
and that's the co leaders. So does this, you know, Roman,
who does this play into the hands on? Does this
help labor because they might get their Maori seeds back,
or in fact does this helping the coalition.

Speaker 20 (01:39:59):
Only under MMP who the heck knows right. It's a
bizarre thing anyway, But the first MP in the Marii
sense to have a general electorate was James Carroll back
in eighteen ninety three. Since then, you've had people like
Sir Peter Buck, Apparana Nata, James Carroll, Georgina Bias, you know,
lots and lots of wonderful people who have been very
respected politicians who have flown the banner of being Maori

(01:40:21):
or with the Maori Party of some sort or another.
What makes me very, very sad is that these people
we're seeing now have disregarded the whole process that got
them to where they are, and they're not using that
opportunity to actually do anything good for Mary at all.
Standing up doing a haker, ripping up a piece of paper, whatever,
What a load of bollocks. You know, Actually respect the process,

(01:40:42):
respect those who have gone before you, and do a
job that gives your people something worth talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
That's a thing, Joe. The reason we have a Tapati
Mali like Chapati Mali is now is but the old
Tapati Mali, the Malori Party under tari Adituria and Peter Sharples.
The electorate started to feel that they got too close
to National and they got close to Nationale, which meant
that they could make the tiuananga or to rid the university,
and they got stuff over it, they got policy done.

(01:41:10):
Maori then turned against that because you're too close to
National But can Maori and knowing that nobody in this
conversation is Maori ki Mary say that Tapati Mali have
really actually done anything for their people when they sit
there and just and do their theatrics.

Speaker 21 (01:41:25):
Well, it's always the tension. I mean, if you are
going to work within the existing system of government, you
do have to work within the existing system of government
in order to achieve things. And you can say that
system of government does not serve Mari, and you can
make really legitimate points about that, But if you are
elected into that system and not prepared to work within it,

(01:41:48):
it becomes a bit fastical. And I think this is
one of those political dramas that voters hate. You know,
it doesn't matter what the actual argument is about what
the rights and wrongs of it. It just seems to me
from the outside, all this energy is going into this
chaotic and undisciplined fighting, and you want that energy to

(01:42:08):
go to serving a constituency and delivering to the people
who voted for them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Meanwhile, Ramanda the left, he is jumping up and down
I was going to do the other night, and they're
all going, oh, Bardi, Mari's got great. Now the Seeds
could come back to Labor, which they should never have
left from. But that's not necessarily any good for Labor,
which is what Peter Dunn said, because if they end
up winning all the Mari seeds, fine, but if they
haven't increased their party vote, then all they're going to

(01:42:32):
do is transfer from List MPs to Mariy MPs and
they get no more and therefore it's not a helpful,
not a help for their coalition plans.

Speaker 20 (01:42:41):
Well, interestingly, when you watch all these current all the
polls that come out telling you where where certain politicians
are and the parties, Labour have actually done very very well,
very very well in the polls by doing absolutely nothing
at all. They haven't done a harker, they've ripped nothing up.
But they have introduced a capital gains tax idea, which
is mind blowingly obviously something that needs to happen, but

(01:43:02):
that's all they've done. And some people thought, oh, that'll
be the death of you, and they're go up even more.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
So.

Speaker 20 (01:43:08):
I don't know. Just don't be don't be doing war
dancers in parliament or being outrageously aggrieved by everything, and
you might actually get somewhere in politics. Just an idea.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
I don't know, good stuff. Fun chat. Are we broken
hearted about the all blacks joke?

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
I mean, I'm going to live with it.

Speaker 21 (01:43:25):
I think you said something before Andrew that you know,
we've grown up a bit and we don't care about
the all blacks as much, and I think we that
really what you say is we just don't care about
the all blacks as much.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
No, no, what it could be is that we are
fair weather friends and we love it when they win,
and now we've learned that when they lose, let's support
Awk of FC.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:43:47):
Well, well, I don't want to be a name dropper,
but my cousin Dylan Hartley was the captain of England
for a while born and wrote to us so when
it comes to playing England, it's just a game. It's
just a game. And the netball was about eight stories
deep in the news wasn't it. We won the netball
by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
Thank God for that, you have to say romand Travis
Joe mc yeah, I thank you both. At it's twenty
five to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B actually.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Andrew Dickins because fran has got some tummy issues right now.
So there we go. We're going to talk sport with
Jason Pine, who's on after Midday. Jason, how they Hello?
Andrew Hello. I could talk about the sport. I could
talk about the rugby, but then again, you're about to
spend three hours talking about the rugby, so you know,
should I really? But well, here's what I will say
that Scott the Saviors was obviously a little overhyped and

(01:44:39):
I'm not sure I'm seeing the new direction. And we've
only got two years into a World Cup.

Speaker 22 (01:44:43):
It's a pretty good summary I've got written down here.
Have we improved in the last two years? And I
think the answers No. I don't think any of us
would say that we're more confident now about the World
Cup than we were two years ago. I think there
are still big questions over the direction of the team,
and after this morning, I'm not sure too many of
those questions were answered. So yeah, we're gonna have a

(01:45:06):
decent chin wag about this this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
I'm not too worry about it in that I don't
mind if I can see improvement. I don't mind if
we lose if I can see improvement. But you know,
what I saw today was a backline that was bereafed
of ideas around out a puff after sixty and that's
not what an all back team used to do. And
I wonry and because they're great talents. So I don't know,
So there we go. But I know what you will

(01:45:29):
love to talk about is the game that's happening at
one twenty this afternoon. It is the All Whites versus Colombia,
the Central American state who are very good at football.
Is being played in Florida, which is hot. Are they
playing it on the on the the what where Beckham
has the club? Are they playing it on his ground?

Speaker 22 (01:45:49):
I believe they are. Yes, yes, and up to Miami, yes,
I believe it is that ground. And I'm looking forward
to this too. My focus is going to be divided, Well,
it's not going to be divided. I'm going to be
concentrating on the radio show, but yeah there'll be football
going on off to one side, and cricket and christ
Wich as well Andrews. So look that doesn't have to
all be all Blacks today. It will be a decent
chunk of it, but a bit of football, but a
cricket and some other.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Bits and people to tell the people because there won't.

Speaker 9 (01:46:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Columbia is a very very good team and this will
be our biggest challenge yet, even though of course we've
already had some pretty big challenges starting with the Australian
ashes that we played earlier in the year. This is
going to be hard and a real acid test for
the team and how far they've come.

Speaker 22 (01:46:25):
Indeed, and without a couple of key players too, they're
a good team Columbia. They finished above Brazil in South
American qualifying. Everybody, regardless they much you know about football,
knows that Brazil is pretty good at it. Columbia were
better than them across eighteen games in South American qualifying.
Big test for Darren Baseley's team this afternoon, just the
sort of thing they need with the World Cup about

(01:46:46):
seven months away.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Very good stuff and of course as you mentioned black
Caps versus the West Indies, We've already done them in
the twenties and now we moved to the fifties. Our
cricket side's tracking quite well, getting better with each game,
I think, so I think you know we're doing okay.

Speaker 22 (01:47:01):
We had a big yarn about cricket domestically yesterday, but yeah,
but I look these fifty It was almost a bit
of a distraction with a T twenty World Cup coming
up next year, but they are what they are. I'm
sure the fine folk of christ You will turn out
today and have a look at it. So yeah, two
o'clock I think start. It's Heglioval for that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
One and midday start for Jason Plan Planning on Sport
from midday today here on News Talks Hebb. Thank you, Jace,
talk to you later.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Sunday with Style.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
The Sunday Session with Andrew Dickens and whit calls for
the best selection of great Reads.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Youth Talks EB.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
We're talking travel with Meghan Singleton. It's sixteen to twelve. Meghan,
welcome home.

Speaker 11 (01:48:02):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Meghan has just been in New York, big city of dreams.
You got out just in time before it got cold.

Speaker 11 (01:48:10):
I know I did. It actually snowed the next day.
New York is actually right now the most popular destination
on my blog. I've got tons of New York content
on there, and it always peaks around now as we
lead up to Christmas. So that was actually the reason
why I wanted to add on those extra couple of days.
I'd also been to Chicago for the All Blacks and
then Boston. We got the train down to New York

(01:48:32):
and about took about four hours, and then the plan
was we were just going to take that direct flight home,
but I thought, oh, you can't just pass through from
the train station to the airport or not stay a
couple of nights. So that's what we did, and I
actually was pleasantly surprised that that big long flight wasn't
as arduous as I thought it was going to be.
It ended up only being sixteen and a half hours.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Good.

Speaker 11 (01:48:54):
I was anticipating eighteen. Yeah, so it was really good.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Well, the question is do you have less jet lag
at the end of one of these big things?

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
Can I tell you?

Speaker 11 (01:49:04):
And you might remember years ago we spoke about this.
The seven eight seven they fly out of New York
and they fly the Triple seven up to Los Angeles,
which is what we did on the way through. And
the seven eight seven has a different cabin pressure which
actually makes you not as dehydrated. You don't get you
don't get the headaches. It was actually really noticeable, and

(01:49:25):
I didn't know that it was that noticeable, even though
I'd written about it in the past. So it was
really good, I know, and I haven't really been jet lagged.
I mean, you know, a little bit of a lie
in this morning, but that's.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
All right, good stuff. Now, tell me about Christmas in
New York, because it is special. Other windows all decorated
up now are the trees out.

Speaker 11 (01:49:44):
The windows are papered over like Macy's and Saxmuth Avenue,
and they're just in the process. Wouldn't that be a
great job? So they're all covered up. But I peeped
through some sort of cracks in between the windows and
was able to see like Macy's is going to have
like gingerbread biscuits and houses and things all around it.
And the Rockefeller tree had just been delivered the day before,

(01:50:07):
and so we were watching them put the scaffolding up
full like full floor stories of scaffold scaffolding with a
ladder like no stairs for it to be decorated. But
already Bryant Park's Christmas Market is open. The ice skating
at Rockefeller and at Bryant Park is already underway. And
so it's such an exciting even though it's drizzly and

(01:50:29):
it's gonna snow on you, it's just so magical to
just dress it as TM.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Yeah, layers, layers, layers, layers, and an umbrella. Always travel
with an umbrella, which is one of my great hints.
A blunt metro is one of the best things to
travel with. But there you go. How did you get
around New York? Did you brave the subway?

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
We did.

Speaker 11 (01:50:46):
We did a lot of walking and you've pulverized your
feet to stumps. In New York. We did a bit
of yellow taxi riding, but because the traffic's so slow,
that does add up. So the subway, you don't need
to buy a ticket anymore. You can just tap your
debit or credit card. You can use that for up
to two people. So I went through, handed the card
back to my husband. He walked through and it came
out to I think about five New Zealand dollars a ride.

(01:51:08):
You can get off anywhere, so once you get off,
you know you've tapped off. And so that was really easy.
And in fact, my American friends didn't even realized you
could do that, so I taught them a thing you now.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
I well. Raving Ramsey and Malcolm Jordan together went to
America the Eastern seaboard this year and they they commented
about how many Americans came up and said, thank you
so much for visiting. We understand why you might not
because of you know, some of the stories about ice
agents and you know, just the environment. Did you find

(01:51:39):
that as well?

Speaker 11 (01:51:41):
No? No, And actually I didn't notice any delays or
hold ups or anything at all. But what I did
going through JFK Airport, I checked with some of the
customs guys. I said, are you not being paid? And
they went and I said, well, thank you for coming
to work. You know, there still weren't long delays, really
there they were canceling more domestic flights I think than anything.

(01:52:02):
But I think that's all remedied now. Are we back
to normal? I don't know that, you know, when it
was actually just deems that we're back to normal. But no,
I didn't find people that to.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Me excellent excellent, though I do understand the tourism figures
it down into America so he can get some good deals.
And Megan Singleton's just been in New York and so
New York for Christmas sounds great. And I thank you
for your time, Megan. It's coming up eleven minutes to
twelve Books.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
With Winkles for the Best Election of Greek Reads.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Well, Joe McKenzie, good morning to you. Hello, So tell
me about The Detective. It's a book by Matthew Riley.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:52:40):
Well, you may know.

Speaker 23 (01:52:40):
That Matt Riley is really well known for his thrillers.
He's had a really long career which he started when
he self published his first book and he literally sold
them out of the boot of his car, and he's
gone on to become globally famous. And this one is
his twentieth book.

Speaker 14 (01:52:55):
I loved it.

Speaker 23 (01:52:56):
I loved his last one too, mister Einstein Secretary. So
he's well known for thrillers and these two are a
departure from that kind of run of the mill thriller thing.
And this has concerned with the disappearance of women, which
of course is such a hardy perennial in so many thrillers,
but these are really weird goings on. There's a pattern
to the disappearances which shows that four women have gone

(01:53:19):
missing around every twenty eight years, and weirdly so have
the investigators have been sent out to find them. So
there's a pattern to this thing. And enter a guy
called Sam Speedman, who's a highly unusual private detective who's
autistic and he sees the world in ways that most
of us don't. And the story is told by him

(01:53:39):
in the first person, and he's quirky and he's funny,
and he's surprisingly insightful, with an unvarying personal routine, it
has to be said, for example, he eats the same
lunch every single day at Hooters. But he can also
see clues and patterns that other people miss. And so
this is set in the nexus of Louisiana and Texas,

(01:54:00):
which I've always found a fascinating part of the states,
that whole southern thing going on, and it's got all
the whole all marks of that area. There's the wealthy
family dynasties, there's racism, there's the buyer us, there's alligators
and really high stakes adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
Now, Simon Winchester has a new book out, yes.

Speaker 23 (01:54:18):
And I've been a fan of his for years. A
while ago he wrote a brilliant book on precision engineering
which was called Exactly And who would ever have thought
that I'd be a candidate for a book on precision engineering?
But it was absolutely fascinating. I keept talking about it
all these years later. So this new one's all about
the wind and how it thrives in our atmosphere. And

(01:54:39):
it can be a force for good, so you can
enjoy a gentle breeze, for instance, or it gives us
renewable energy, but it can also be much more malevolent,
with things like cyclones and tornadoes. And I'm sadly not
making this sound nearly as interesting as he does. Simon
Winchester is incredibly well informed, and he uses science and

(01:55:00):
poetry and engineering and history and literature to explain the
dynamics of this fundamental piece of our ecosystem. And there's
a lot in it that's quite brilliant. For instance, there's
a terrific section on tumbleweeds and how in some places
they've been blown along by the wind and almost buried
entire suburbs. It's really amazing. There's a fascinating piece on

(01:55:22):
our own Wahina disaster in nineteen sixty eight, when many
listeners will remember the Wahina and Turreland Fairies sank and
Wellington Harbor and fifty three people died, and he essentially
gives a blow by blow description of what happened on
the ship during that terrible storm, and so all up
he roves around the world and he gives the most
fascinating insights into the history of the wind on the

(01:55:44):
world and what its future might look like. And I
just can't recommend this highly enough for anybody who likes
high quality nonfiction. And I'll be buying lots for people
for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Well, that sounds like the perfect Christmas present. And Joe,
thank you so much. That last book that Joan was
talking about was The Breath of the Gods by Simon Winchester,
and the first book was The Detective by Matthew Riley.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
Be all right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much
for your company today. My name is Andrew Dickins filling
in for Francesca, who's got a bit ill. I used
to do the show six years ago for a decade
and it's been lovely to come back because it's so
much fun and the people are so good and so
lovely catching up with old friends. Francesca will be back
next weekend and guests will be Yotam otter Lingey, the

(01:56:37):
cookbook writer and restaurant owner who actually started life as
a journalist and a copy editor and didn't get into
cooking until he was thirty. Causes cooking style, sunny food,
big flavors of the Mediterranean and Middle East, beautiful stuff.
Otter Lengy is with Fran next Sunday. Thank you to
my producer Kerry, who's just a ray of lights. And

(01:57:02):
I'm actually back for Kerry Woodham tomorrow nine to twelve,
so I'll see you. Then enjoy your Sunday towns.

Speaker 7 (01:57:16):
Time flydon Ben twice, time fly.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
So don't Ben twice.

Speaker 1 (01:57:28):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to News Talks it Be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.

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