August 9, 2025 • 14 mins
Richard Burton was a global icon best remembered for his memorable film roles and his passionate - and drama-filled - romance with Elizabeth Taylor, but a new release reveals where it all began.
The new biopic Mr Burton will be out in theatres next week and it tells the story of Richard Burton's tumultuous early life - and the school teacher who helped propel him to global stardom.
Kate Burton, daughter of Richard Burton and actress in her own right, says many didn't know about her father's early life beyond being born in Wales.
"I think it's an amazing achievement - I think they tell the story of my father beautifully, I think a lot of people don't realise where my father came from. The know that he came from Wales, but they didn't know how poverty-stricken his life was as a young person."
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks at B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welsh actor Richard Burton was a global superstar of screen
and stage, nominated for seven Academy Awards, and once referred
to as the natural successor to Laurence Olivier. Many films
have been made about him, his rock and roll lifestyle
or his marriage to Elizabeth Taylor, but a new film
releasing this week has focused on a young Richard Burton
an origin story of swords. It's called Mister Burton.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
This plea was everything we worked for and I'm terrified.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
This is the chance to establish yourself as a classical
actor in the most prestigious theater in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Me understudy to the drunken son of a drunken, bloody miner.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Do you not understand the magnitude of that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Richard Burton's family don't often watch films made about him,
but this film was a little different. One of his
children from his first marriage is Kate Burton, and Kate
herself is an actress. You'll know her as Meritless Mum
on Gray's Anatomy, or from scandalal Bosh or The dropout.
Kate joins me to talk to chat about this film
and her dad. Kate Burton, good morning or good evening
(01:19):
wherever you are.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, good morning, good evening.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Love you to have you with us. I just want
to say, first up, I very much appreciate you taking
the time to talk because I know that a lot
of people have made films about your father, and I'm
sure that people want to talk to you about him
all the time. That I'm really thrilled that you're able
to talk to us about this film because I think
it's quite special.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I do too, I agree with you. I mean, to
be honest, Francesca. The reason I do talk about it
is because I think it's so special, exactly exactly as
you say. I mean, I think it's an amazing achievement.
I think they tell the story of my father's you know,
my father's origin story, as they say in the United States.
I think they tell it beautifully. A lot of people
(02:03):
don't realize where my father came from. They know that he,
you know, came from Wales, but they don't know how
poverty stricken his life was, you know, as a young person.
They don't know about this amazing teacher who came into
his life, Philip Burton, and you know, and the life
that he was leading. And I think it's just it's
amazing the way they've told it. You know, they cover
(02:25):
my dad's life from sixteen to twenty six. Everybody knows
about Dad, you know, later in life when he met
my stepmother Elizabeth Taylor, but they don't know about this
young part of his life. And I'm it's his centenary
year here in the UK, so I mean all over
the world it's a centenary year, but you know, that's
a very big deal in the UK. And but this
was thrilling to me when I read this script last summer.
(02:49):
I thought it was excellent. And I met with Toby
Jones before he started playing Phil Burton, my grandfather. But
I was just amazed by everyone and Harry Lottie, I mean,
his performance going from sixteen to twenty six is extraordinary.
I mean it's it's nothing short of extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And New Zealand as we know him from the TV
show industry, and he's very much an actor on the rise.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I think he's fantastic. But is it hard to watch
someone play your father?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Very hard? I mean but what was funny. I didn't
see him. I didn't watch him through the monitor until
I met him. And when he emerged out of the
little sort of place where all the actors were hanging,
and he came out and he looked at me, and
I looked at him, and we both just just had
a moment of just and I said, this is the
weirdest thing that's ever happened to me. But you know,
(03:40):
to be honest with you, Francesca, you know, in terms
of actual films about Dad, there's been maybe a handful,
not a ton, and I've seen none of them. The
reality is is that I, you know, neither me nor
any of my siblings Elizabeth Taylor's children, we don't really
spend a great deal of time watching things. I mean,
(04:04):
you know, I think probably the best one I've heard
of was was Dominic West and Helen A. Bottom Carter,
and I heard that was very very good by a
bunch of people who I like and trust who saw it.
But you know what, we just don't do that. You know,
we just don't spend time watching those kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know, that makes sense?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean? It's just
a little too, it's like, oh, okay, that's so, that's
too weird.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This film in a way is as much of a
tribute to Philip and the role teachers complain in young
in a young person's life as much as it is
we sort of see Richard's origin story, isn't it right?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Exactly exactly right? And you know, ultimately what it is
is it's this extraordinarily interesting, very self effacing man who
had incredible integrity, who cared deeply about his students and
had a little handful of students that he really helped
them fulfill their frankly, their destiny. And of course he himself,
(05:09):
besides being you know, an absolute an incredible academic himself,
Philip Burton, he was a theatrical as well, and he
wrote plays, he directed plays, He was voracious about going
to see plays, reading them, you know. And so this
(05:31):
very fascinating, complicated man is there. He is you know,
he spent time in England, he spent time in Wales.
He's from Wales, and you know, he discovers this this young,
uncut gem, you know, who is who's always getting into
trouble because he has a really troubled childhood and he
(05:54):
takes him under his way, and I don't think, to
be honest, Francesca would be sitting here now in my
friend's house in London if that hadn't happened. You know,
I don't believe that I would have had had it
not been for Philip Burton, I wouldn't have the life
I have.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
No, it's a very special relationship. And look, you mentioned
before the transformation of Richard's voice and his ability to
project and his you know, and and and you know,
Philip is sort of responsible for sort of creating this
voice that we know that we associate so much with
Richard Burton, which is fascinating to watch. And of course
(06:30):
had to lose the strong Welsh accent. How did your
father feel about that?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Well, you know Dad's generation, especially those who chose to
pursue acting, they all lost their natural accents. They all
were expected in the forties and fifties to speak in
that kind of received pronunciation RP accent. And I think
(06:57):
Philip knew this, and Philip himself, you know, certainly as
depicted by the great Toby Jones. Oh my god, phil
too spoke and he had a very soft, soft, little
Welsh lilt. But I'm sure that he could have gone
into him. You know, intense received pronunciation, very happy, you know,
(07:21):
at the drop of a hat. And actors of that time,
male female, didn't matter if you were Scotland, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland,
you were expected to drop it, to drop that accent.
That was part part of your drama school training. But
you see, my dad didn't go to drama school, so
he had the drama school of Philip Burton. He worked hard,
(07:45):
He was a work he was a he was a
hard worker. Well you know, he came from a family
of hard workers, with the exception of his father. You know,
I mean Phil Dick Bach as we call him, both
means you know, small and Welsh, and he was this
was not a person who was had a great worth ethic,
but Dad really did. Dad was so very much an
(08:07):
auto did act. I mean he went to university. This
is what Phil helped get was that short course at Oxford.
You know, if you joined the RAF they gave you
or any part of the military, they gave you the
opportunity to do six months at a university. And that
is in fact what Phil helps Dad, do you know,
(08:29):
is do that short course at Oxford and when he
does that, he encounters people. He encounters. He encountered a
wonderful Robert tim Hardy who was in the original All
Creatures Great and Small, and they became lifelong friends. They
were friends, I mean tim Hardy was one of Dada's
closest friends. And you know, so he met people, and
(08:51):
he met directors, and you know, that was where when
he was at Oxford for his very brief stint, that's
where actor managers and managers and representatives and agents saw
him because that's where they'd went. They would go to
the drama schools. They would also go to Oxford and
Cambridge and you know, some of the other great universities.
And see these young young kids, I mean still as
(09:14):
they do today, you know, and watch them, see who
are the ones who they think have promised.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Kate, You yourself has become an actress very familiar to
us all over our screens, crazy and atomy, scandal, bosh,
the dropout, you name it. But your dad tried to
put you off acting as a career, which, to be
honest with you, is quite common, I think with quite
a lot of the time with parents and their children
in this industry.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
But you know, his whole I think his whole thing
was he just didn't want me to go into such
a mad, mad profession because my profession is crazy. I mean,
it's here, I am, I've been doing it for over
forty years, and forty three years, I think, no, and
(10:01):
you know, I'm still dealing with I have a wonderful
amount of job offers right now. I'm very, very honored
and grateful, but you know, I have to make decisions
based on like I also have to, you know, pay
the rent. So the truth of it is that I
have to do the things that makes sense financially as well.
(10:21):
And that was the thing that Data always dealt with.
My mother would always say when they were My mother
and my father were married for fourteen years. And the
reality is is that mom said, you know, it was
always a thing that Data was always concerned about, like
I need to, you know, pay for the house, and
I need to you know, And this is the thing.
But when you're working in show business, as they say,
(10:43):
you you don't generally know what's happening one minute to
the next, you know, so you know, you kind of
barrel ahead. And I've just i feel, you know, as
I'm touching what. As I say it, I feel so
blessed from having, you know, had such a wonderfully interesting career.
(11:03):
I feel so lucky, and I'm still doing it, and
I'm still doing it at this kinder age. We won't
go to it, sure look it up, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's interesting you mentioned that, okay, because once upon a
time there was sort of this thought that that a
woman in Hollywood got to a certain age and they
were no longer interesting, complex characters available for them. But
I feel it's changed a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That has really changed. And I really do think that
has changed. Because when I came to California twenty years ago,
I thought to myself, what is this is a disaster?
You know, what would I What am I thinking? You know?
I and I guess you know. I had just started
to shoot Gray's Anatomy and it had already become quite
(11:49):
a phenomenon by the time I got there. But who
knew that scandal was going to happen? And who knew
that all the other things were going to happen. And
the thing that was so interesting, Francesca, is that I
played such interesting roles c Ellis Gray, which I'm still
playing by the way, I'm doing an episode in a
few weeks. You know, I I played such fascinating characters,
(12:11):
and then I got to be in deep with Armando
yu Nucci directing me, and you know, I was amazing
and writing, writing veep, and then you know all the
other things that have gone my way. And it's not
I mean, I'm happy to play you know, mothers and grandmothers,
and I do that quite a lot. But I also
play such interesting characters, interesting women, you know, of all
(12:33):
shapes and sizes, all different stripes, and that's what's so gratifying.
And I would say that a lot of us, you know,
a lot of British actresses, Harriet Walter, you know my
god Helen Maren of course we worship at her shrine.
Christ and Scott Thomas. We all get to play really interesting,
(12:53):
multi dimensional characters. I just did a play, my very
first play at the World Shakespeare Company, and it was
such a wonderful confluence of events because Dad, my father
and mother were both there at the Royal Shape Company
in nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That is very special. And of course the two of
you did get to act together before your father passed away.
I think it was Allis in Wonderland? Wasn't it was
that special? Was that important to you?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It was so great. Yeah, we did Alice in Wonderland
where he played the White Night and I was Alice
and he's the sweetest scene and I'm so happy it exists.
And then we did you know, a mini series with
for CBS called Ellis Island. We did it in London
(13:39):
at Shepperton Studios where I had always been with Dad
when I was a kid, sitting on sets, film sets
in the summertimes. And that was incredible and that was
what we did right before he died.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Kate, I so appreciate the time to talk to you
about this film. I learned an awful lot from the film.
Love you to talk to you. Thank you so much.
That was Kate Burton, daughter of the late Richard Burton.
The film we're talking about is called Mister Burton. It
is cinemas this coming Thursday.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to News Talks a B from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks at B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welsh actor Richard Burton was a global superstar of screen
and stage, nominated for seven Academy Awards, and once referred
to as the natural successor to Laurence Olivier. Many films
have been made about him, his rock and roll lifestyle
or his marriage to Elizabeth Taylor, but a new film
releasing this week has focused on a young Richard Burton
an origin story of swords. It's called Mister Burton.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
This plea was everything we worked for and I'm terrified.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
This is the chance to establish yourself as a classical
actor in the most prestigious theater in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Me understudy to the drunken son of a drunken, bloody miner.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Do you not understand the magnitude of that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Richard Burton's family don't often watch films made about him,
but this film was a little different. One of his
children from his first marriage is Kate Burton, and Kate
herself is an actress. You'll know her as Meritless Mum
on Gray's Anatomy, or from scandalal Bosh or The dropout.
Kate joins me to talk to chat about this film
and her dad. Kate Burton, good morning or good evening
(01:19):
wherever you are.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, good morning, good evening.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Love you to have you with us. I just want
to say, first up, I very much appreciate you taking
the time to talk because I know that a lot
of people have made films about your father, and I'm
sure that people want to talk to you about him
all the time. That I'm really thrilled that you're able
to talk to us about this film because I think
it's quite special.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I do too, I agree with you. I mean, to
be honest, Francesca. The reason I do talk about it
is because I think it's so special, exactly exactly as
you say. I mean, I think it's an amazing achievement.
I think they tell the story of my father's you know,
my father's origin story, as they say in the United States.
I think they tell it beautifully. A lot of people
(02:03):
don't realize where my father came from. They know that he,
you know, came from Wales, but they don't know how
poverty stricken his life was, you know, as a young person.
They don't know about this amazing teacher who came into
his life, Philip Burton, and you know, and the life
that he was leading. And I think it's just it's
amazing the way they've told it. You know, they cover
(02:25):
my dad's life from sixteen to twenty six. Everybody knows
about Dad, you know, later in life when he met
my stepmother Elizabeth Taylor, but they don't know about this
young part of his life. And I'm it's his centenary
year here in the UK, so I mean all over
the world it's a centenary year, but you know, that's
a very big deal in the UK. And but this
was thrilling to me when I read this script last summer.
(02:49):
I thought it was excellent. And I met with Toby
Jones before he started playing Phil Burton, my grandfather. But
I was just amazed by everyone and Harry Lottie, I mean,
his performance going from sixteen to twenty six is extraordinary.
I mean it's it's nothing short of extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And New Zealand as we know him from the TV
show industry, and he's very much an actor on the rise.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I think he's fantastic. But is it hard to watch
someone play your father?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Very hard? I mean but what was funny. I didn't
see him. I didn't watch him through the monitor until
I met him. And when he emerged out of the
little sort of place where all the actors were hanging,
and he came out and he looked at me, and
I looked at him, and we both just just had
a moment of just and I said, this is the
weirdest thing that's ever happened to me. But you know,
(03:40):
to be honest with you, Francesca, you know, in terms
of actual films about Dad, there's been maybe a handful,
not a ton, and I've seen none of them. The
reality is is that I, you know, neither me nor
any of my siblings Elizabeth Taylor's children, we don't really
spend a great deal of time watching things. I mean,
(04:04):
you know, I think probably the best one I've heard
of was was Dominic West and Helen A. Bottom Carter,
and I heard that was very very good by a
bunch of people who I like and trust who saw it.
But you know what, we just don't do that. You know,
we just don't spend time watching those kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know, that makes sense?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean? It's just
a little too, it's like, oh, okay, that's so, that's
too weird.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This film in a way is as much of a
tribute to Philip and the role teachers complain in young
in a young person's life as much as it is
we sort of see Richard's origin story, isn't it right?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Exactly exactly right? And you know, ultimately what it is
is it's this extraordinarily interesting, very self effacing man who
had incredible integrity, who cared deeply about his students and
had a little handful of students that he really helped
them fulfill their frankly, their destiny. And of course he himself,
(05:09):
besides being you know, an absolute an incredible academic himself,
Philip Burton, he was a theatrical as well, and he
wrote plays, he directed plays, He was voracious about going
to see plays, reading them, you know. And so this
(05:31):
very fascinating, complicated man is there. He is you know,
he spent time in England, he spent time in Wales.
He's from Wales, and you know, he discovers this this young,
uncut gem, you know, who is who's always getting into
trouble because he has a really troubled childhood and he
(05:54):
takes him under his way, and I don't think, to
be honest, Francesca would be sitting here now in my
friend's house in London if that hadn't happened. You know,
I don't believe that I would have had had it
not been for Philip Burton, I wouldn't have the life
I have.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
No, it's a very special relationship. And look, you mentioned
before the transformation of Richard's voice and his ability to
project and his you know, and and and you know,
Philip is sort of responsible for sort of creating this
voice that we know that we associate so much with
Richard Burton, which is fascinating to watch. And of course
(06:30):
had to lose the strong Welsh accent. How did your
father feel about that?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Well, you know Dad's generation, especially those who chose to
pursue acting, they all lost their natural accents. They all
were expected in the forties and fifties to speak in
that kind of received pronunciation RP accent. And I think
(06:57):
Philip knew this, and Philip himself, you know, certainly as
depicted by the great Toby Jones. Oh my god, phil
too spoke and he had a very soft, soft, little
Welsh lilt. But I'm sure that he could have gone
into him. You know, intense received pronunciation, very happy, you know,
(07:21):
at the drop of a hat. And actors of that time,
male female, didn't matter if you were Scotland, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland,
you were expected to drop it, to drop that accent.
That was part part of your drama school training. But
you see, my dad didn't go to drama school, so
he had the drama school of Philip Burton. He worked hard,
(07:45):
He was a work he was a he was a
hard worker. Well you know, he came from a family
of hard workers, with the exception of his father. You know,
I mean Phil Dick Bach as we call him, both
means you know, small and Welsh, and he was this
was not a person who was had a great worth ethic,
but Dad really did. Dad was so very much an
(08:07):
auto did act. I mean he went to university. This
is what Phil helped get was that short course at Oxford.
You know, if you joined the RAF they gave you
or any part of the military, they gave you the
opportunity to do six months at a university. And that
is in fact what Phil helps Dad, do you know,
(08:29):
is do that short course at Oxford and when he
does that, he encounters people. He encounters. He encountered a
wonderful Robert tim Hardy who was in the original All
Creatures Great and Small, and they became lifelong friends. They
were friends, I mean tim Hardy was one of Dada's
closest friends. And you know, so he met people, and
(08:51):
he met directors, and you know, that was where when
he was at Oxford for his very brief stint, that's
where actor managers and managers and representatives and agents saw
him because that's where they'd went. They would go to
the drama schools. They would also go to Oxford and
Cambridge and you know, some of the other great universities.
And see these young young kids, I mean still as
(09:14):
they do today, you know, and watch them, see who
are the ones who they think have promised.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Kate, You yourself has become an actress very familiar to
us all over our screens, crazy and atomy, scandal, bosh,
the dropout, you name it. But your dad tried to
put you off acting as a career, which, to be
honest with you, is quite common, I think with quite
a lot of the time with parents and their children
in this industry.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
But you know, his whole I think his whole thing
was he just didn't want me to go into such
a mad, mad profession because my profession is crazy. I mean,
it's here, I am, I've been doing it for over
forty years, and forty three years, I think, no, and
(10:01):
you know, I'm still dealing with I have a wonderful
amount of job offers right now. I'm very, very honored
and grateful, but you know, I have to make decisions
based on like I also have to, you know, pay
the rent. So the truth of it is that I
have to do the things that makes sense financially as well.
(10:21):
And that was the thing that Data always dealt with.
My mother would always say when they were My mother
and my father were married for fourteen years. And the
reality is is that mom said, you know, it was
always a thing that Data was always concerned about, like
I need to, you know, pay for the house, and
I need to you know, And this is the thing.
But when you're working in show business, as they say,
(10:43):
you you don't generally know what's happening one minute to
the next, you know, so you know, you kind of
barrel ahead. And I've just i feel, you know, as
I'm touching what. As I say it, I feel so
blessed from having, you know, had such a wonderfully interesting career.
(11:03):
I feel so lucky, and I'm still doing it, and
I'm still doing it at this kinder age. We won't
go to it, sure look it up, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's interesting you mentioned that, okay, because once upon a
time there was sort of this thought that that a
woman in Hollywood got to a certain age and they
were no longer interesting, complex characters available for them. But
I feel it's changed a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That has really changed. And I really do think that
has changed. Because when I came to California twenty years ago,
I thought to myself, what is this is a disaster?
You know, what would I What am I thinking? You know?
I and I guess you know. I had just started
to shoot Gray's Anatomy and it had already become quite
(11:49):
a phenomenon by the time I got there. But who
knew that scandal was going to happen? And who knew
that all the other things were going to happen. And
the thing that was so interesting, Francesca, is that I
played such interesting roles c Ellis Gray, which I'm still
playing by the way, I'm doing an episode in a
few weeks. You know, I I played such fascinating characters,
(12:11):
and then I got to be in deep with Armando
yu Nucci directing me, and you know, I was amazing
and writing, writing veep, and then you know all the
other things that have gone my way. And it's not
I mean, I'm happy to play you know, mothers and grandmothers,
and I do that quite a lot. But I also
play such interesting characters, interesting women, you know, of all
(12:33):
shapes and sizes, all different stripes, and that's what's so gratifying.
And I would say that a lot of us, you know,
a lot of British actresses, Harriet Walter, you know my
god Helen Maren of course we worship at her shrine.
Christ and Scott Thomas. We all get to play really interesting,
(12:53):
multi dimensional characters. I just did a play, my very
first play at the World Shakespeare Company, and it was
such a wonderful confluence of events because Dad, my father
and mother were both there at the Royal Shape Company
in nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That is very special. And of course the two of
you did get to act together before your father passed away.
I think it was Allis in Wonderland? Wasn't it was
that special? Was that important to you?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It was so great. Yeah, we did Alice in Wonderland
where he played the White Night and I was Alice
and he's the sweetest scene and I'm so happy it exists.
And then we did you know, a mini series with
for CBS called Ellis Island. We did it in London
(13:39):
at Shepperton Studios where I had always been with Dad
when I was a kid, sitting on sets, film sets
in the summertimes. And that was incredible and that was
what we did right before he died.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Kate, I so appreciate the time to talk to you
about this film. I learned an awful lot from the film.
Love you to talk to you. Thank you so much.
That was Kate Burton, daughter of the late Richard Burton.
The film we're talking about is called Mister Burton. It
is cinemas this coming Thursday.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
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