July 13, 2024 • 9 mins
This week on the Sunday Panel, producer and journalist Irene Gardiner and partner at Freebairn and Hehir Lawyers, Liam Hehir, joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Investigations are under way after shooter opened fire at a Trump rally. The former President was narrowly grazed by a bullet before the Secret Service whisked him off stage. What do we make of this? Was this an assassination attempt?
Joe Biden has been dealing with additional scrutiny following more glaring mistakes at this week's NATO summit. Does he need to step down?
There's been growing calls to ban g-string bikinis after a New Plymouth mother launched a petition to bar them from public pools. What's the best course of action here?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
'b and it is time for the Sunday Session panel.
And joining me today, I have got Irene Gardner, Tavy
producer and journalists. Good morning, Irene, good morning, and partner
at Freebarn and Heir Lawyers Liam here.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
How are Liam, I'm good morning, I'm reasonably well.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Thank you for asking so.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Earlier today at the beginning of the show, I was
just talking about how fascinating and how fascinated I am
by the election, the presidential election coming up in November
at the end of the year. But it just keeps
getting crazier and crazier. Irene. Of course, this morning with
the news that it was possibly an assassination attempt on
Trump today.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Really, you know, I always see that it might be
the other way around. I mean, you know, without sounding
too hash on the day when the seven, you know,
Trump and his people that are the people who introduced
this very tribal, very divisive, very angry style of politics,
and I always feared it would go the other way
(01:11):
that you know, maybe someone would try and hurt the
Democramone from the Democrat side. So yeah, it's kind of
weird that it's gone this way. Although it's all kind
of unfolding and we don't exactly know what's going on
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's going to be a long few months till November.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Leam. Yeah, I mean I kind of I'm lot so surprised,
and I kind of reject this of the narrative. I mean,
it wasn't so long ago. A couple of years there
was that shooting free at the when the Republicans to
the baseball team together and the Bernie Sanders the border
opened up fire on them. So it's not the first
time that's happened. It's probably just the most spectacular times
(01:49):
that it's happened. Look, I think you're always going to
try to read politics into this and to make a
political statement and to qualify you, you know, your condemnation
or your criticism of a murder attempt by saying, well,
I don't'sbot Donald Trump, but still good. Actually no, I'm sorry.
(02:09):
Murdering someone is wrong. It doesn't it doesn't matter through
the person is Like, I just have no tolerance for
anyone trying to architectualize this at all.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
If you don't like someone I just don't vote for them.
You don't need to pick up a gun. Yeah, no, absolutely, Hey, President,
let's let's talk about President Joe Biden's bid for re election.
I feel like this is the longest staring competition that
we've ever seen, and it looks like nobody wants to blink.
Biden is standing firm. What do you reckon I ring,
(02:42):
do you think that how do you see this playing out?
Do you think he will blink and stand down? Or
do you think that, by the way, he'll still be
there by the time we get to the Democratic Party
national convention at the end of August.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I think he probably will still be there. I think
this is one of those ones where the media and
the pundit read it very wrong. And yes, it's true
that Joe is old. Yes it's true that he doesn't
control his stuture as well as he one stirred and
isn't just gread on his feet, and you know, makes
the odd mad gaff where he gets the wrong name
(03:14):
and he was terrible in debate. But you know, to
be fair, he didn't have a terrible head called. But
that doesn't take away that his track record as a
president is actually really really good and like his history
will record him as one of the best presidents legis
look at. For me, I think they've had really getting
things happening now. Whether that's him or whether it's his
team doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
In the end.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
It's happening, and I think that's what the public see,
and they'll see jobs and they'll see the economy. And
while the people who support Donald Trump really really really
love him, it's I don't think it's a beginnough group
of people anymore to actually get him in. So I
think the Democrats will get in. I mean, I think
(03:55):
if Joe Biden himself decides to step aside for his
deputy because he feels it's becoming a distraction stuff at
his age, then yeah, maybe. But actually I feel like
he'll probably just whether this next bit, it will just
all keep going. And it was interesting watching with the
crowd the other day, and there were a young people
in the crowd and they seem very very supportive of
other So I don't know, do they maybe they see
(04:17):
him as sort of a grandfatherly figure or something and
they like that. I don't know. I definitely feel the
media in the time that's are a bit off on
this one. They always tend to underestimate Biden, you know,
when he won the election, when they have a good
mid term that was never predicted. So I could be wrong,
but my faith still with Joe.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Liam. Yeah, I think it's really noticeable how the media
and the democratic study has really turned against them and
in the punditocracy really furiously. And it's striking how it
has been the tune to gets it has been so strong.
I think that partly that comes down to it. I
guess the points of betrayal. I mean, like you know,
all who have I s to see? All Right, Joe
(04:57):
Biden has been in the declining stake for years, and
every time it's been pointed out, it's been the sort
of accusation that it's a conspiracy theory or a cheap
fake or something, until it was tested in a forum
where you can't you can't maintain the fiction anymore. Right,
there's the debate is ninety minutes where he had not
(05:17):
set up to it, and so all of a sudden
you've got the overreaction from the media. Right, So the media,
having its credibility really sorely tested, has now come down
very very hard on him. I think the problem is
if you want Joe Biden to stand down and relinquish denomination,
is it there's no easy way help for him to
do it now without it being a humiliation, right, Like
(05:39):
it's not his call anymore. He would be looking, he
would look like he was bowing the outside pressures, and
so there's not there's not an easy way for him
to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But it's it's not actually about him though, is it. Liam?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It is about it is about him to volunteer, to
voluntarily do it. Yes, right, forced them to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But he should be thinking broader than just how it
would look for him, because I think he can still
absolutely walk away with his reputation intact, as Irene says,
he has a good record.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I don't. I think I think it was harder, the
more of a humiliation for him.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I think he also believes that he's got the best
chance and he may be right in that, strangely, despite
the age things. And also I think the thing that
factors in and I guess people would common sense will
have thought about this, even though the media never seemed
to mention it. You know, even if he only does
the first year and Kamala Harris steps up. I mean,
you know that is that is still going to be
(06:36):
better than the damage that our second Trump presidents he
could potentially cause to America and the world.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So yeah, well that's.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Our opinion of outside of Americans might be differently in
Kamala Harris is not popular either.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Some America's s some Americans stead differently, But I don't think.
My theory is that that group isn't big enough anymore
to actually get Trump, and that it's you know, the
the real hardcore love him beyond reason and always will.
But initially when he got in the systemmer and there
were other people as well giving him the benefit of
the doubt, and I think those people have fallen away.
(07:13):
And even though the lover is intense and the media
pick up on that, I don't think it's big enough.
I think I think ultimately Democrats and you know, whether yet,
whether it's Joe or whether he's slide to step so,
I mean, it's not actually that straightforward for him to
step nine. You know, people are making it sound like
it's just like, oh, I don't do this, but you know,
there's a lot of and there's.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Also there's a lot of risk on both sides whichever
way go. As I said earlier, it's not an easy
pros and cons list. Love a pros and cons list.
It all comes together, then, doesn't it. But this is
not easy. Look on a on a slightly skimpier note
G string public G string bikinis in public Irene. I
don't know how often you whip on a G string,
but a mother made a call to ban G string
(07:53):
bikini has been paraded at a popular public pool in
New Plymouth, and now tourists have been told to leave
their skimpy swim We're at home. I headed trips to
the Pacific. Do you have an issue with a G
string in public?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Well, my ges years are definitely well behind me, if
they ever indeed existed. I don't especially like seeing them
in public. And I do think this thing about stuffic
islands is valid because I think that's a kind of
a cultural respect thing in terms of local pools. It's
a tritual one because half of the kind of going no, well,
women where whatever you like, you know. But then I
(08:27):
also do slightly bring some mom sort of saying you
but I've got my boys there and it's kind of
almost like they're looking at naked women and I don't
feel very comfortable with it.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So what's the man's you, Liam, Well, I think it
depends exactly like you said, me wearing a g shrings
grew different with someone else during a g shring in
terms of how it comes across.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So look, you know, I'm with you. I mean me,
there's a question of you know, of freedom the wear
what you want versus and fringing on the on the
froes of the rights for other people to be there.
I just think it's a metaphor individual judgment and I
think just the individual communities make up their own problem.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And in a few years time, Liam, your teenagers will
be reciting that directly back to you. Thank you both
so much. Liam. Here and Iron Gardner.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin. Listen
live to News Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
'b and it is time for the Sunday Session panel.
And joining me today, I have got Irene Gardner, Tavy
producer and journalists. Good morning, Irene, good morning, and partner
at Freebarn and Heir Lawyers Liam here.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
How are Liam, I'm good morning, I'm reasonably well.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Thank you for asking so.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Earlier today at the beginning of the show, I was
just talking about how fascinating and how fascinated I am
by the election, the presidential election coming up in November
at the end of the year. But it just keeps
getting crazier and crazier. Irene. Of course, this morning with
the news that it was possibly an assassination attempt on
Trump today.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Really, you know, I always see that it might be
the other way around. I mean, you know, without sounding
too hash on the day when the seven, you know,
Trump and his people that are the people who introduced
this very tribal, very divisive, very angry style of politics,
and I always feared it would go the other way
(01:11):
that you know, maybe someone would try and hurt the
Democramone from the Democrat side. So yeah, it's kind of
weird that it's gone this way. Although it's all kind
of unfolding and we don't exactly know what's going on
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's going to be a long few months till November.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Leam. Yeah, I mean I kind of I'm lot so surprised,
and I kind of reject this of the narrative. I mean,
it wasn't so long ago. A couple of years there
was that shooting free at the when the Republicans to
the baseball team together and the Bernie Sanders the border
opened up fire on them. So it's not the first
time that's happened. It's probably just the most spectacular times
(01:49):
that it's happened. Look, I think you're always going to
try to read politics into this and to make a
political statement and to qualify you, you know, your condemnation
or your criticism of a murder attempt by saying, well,
I don't'sbot Donald Trump, but still good. Actually no, I'm sorry.
(02:09):
Murdering someone is wrong. It doesn't it doesn't matter through
the person is Like, I just have no tolerance for
anyone trying to architectualize this at all.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
If you don't like someone I just don't vote for them.
You don't need to pick up a gun. Yeah, no, absolutely, Hey, President,
let's let's talk about President Joe Biden's bid for re election.
I feel like this is the longest staring competition that
we've ever seen, and it looks like nobody wants to blink.
Biden is standing firm. What do you reckon I ring,
(02:42):
do you think that how do you see this playing out?
Do you think he will blink and stand down? Or
do you think that, by the way, he'll still be
there by the time we get to the Democratic Party
national convention at the end of August.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I think he probably will still be there. I think
this is one of those ones where the media and
the pundit read it very wrong. And yes, it's true
that Joe is old. Yes it's true that he doesn't
control his stuture as well as he one stirred and
isn't just gread on his feet, and you know, makes
the odd mad gaff where he gets the wrong name
(03:14):
and he was terrible in debate. But you know, to
be fair, he didn't have a terrible head called. But
that doesn't take away that his track record as a
president is actually really really good and like his history
will record him as one of the best presidents legis
look at. For me, I think they've had really getting
things happening now. Whether that's him or whether it's his
team doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
In the end.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
It's happening, and I think that's what the public see,
and they'll see jobs and they'll see the economy. And
while the people who support Donald Trump really really really
love him, it's I don't think it's a beginnough group
of people anymore to actually get him in. So I
think the Democrats will get in. I mean, I think
(03:55):
if Joe Biden himself decides to step aside for his
deputy because he feels it's becoming a distraction stuff at
his age, then yeah, maybe. But actually I feel like
he'll probably just whether this next bit, it will just
all keep going. And it was interesting watching with the
crowd the other day, and there were a young people
in the crowd and they seem very very supportive of
other So I don't know, do they maybe they see
(04:17):
him as sort of a grandfatherly figure or something and
they like that. I don't know. I definitely feel the
media in the time that's are a bit off on
this one. They always tend to underestimate Biden, you know,
when he won the election, when they have a good
mid term that was never predicted. So I could be wrong,
but my faith still with Joe.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Liam. Yeah, I think it's really noticeable how the media
and the democratic study has really turned against them and
in the punditocracy really furiously. And it's striking how it
has been the tune to gets it has been so strong.
I think that partly that comes down to it. I
guess the points of betrayal. I mean, like you know,
all who have I s to see? All Right, Joe
(04:57):
Biden has been in the declining stake for years, and
every time it's been pointed out, it's been the sort
of accusation that it's a conspiracy theory or a cheap
fake or something, until it was tested in a forum
where you can't you can't maintain the fiction anymore. Right,
there's the debate is ninety minutes where he had not
(05:17):
set up to it, and so all of a sudden
you've got the overreaction from the media. Right, So the media,
having its credibility really sorely tested, has now come down
very very hard on him. I think the problem is
if you want Joe Biden to stand down and relinquish denomination,
is it there's no easy way help for him to
do it now without it being a humiliation, right, Like
(05:39):
it's not his call anymore. He would be looking, he
would look like he was bowing the outside pressures, and
so there's not there's not an easy way for him
to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But it's it's not actually about him though, is it. Liam?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It is about it is about him to volunteer, to
voluntarily do it. Yes, right, forced them to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But he should be thinking broader than just how it
would look for him, because I think he can still
absolutely walk away with his reputation intact, as Irene says,
he has a good record.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I don't. I think I think it was harder, the
more of a humiliation for him.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I think he also believes that he's got the best
chance and he may be right in that, strangely, despite
the age things. And also I think the thing that
factors in and I guess people would common sense will
have thought about this, even though the media never seemed
to mention it. You know, even if he only does
the first year and Kamala Harris steps up. I mean,
you know that is that is still going to be
(06:36):
better than the damage that our second Trump presidents he
could potentially cause to America and the world.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So yeah, well that's.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Our opinion of outside of Americans might be differently in
Kamala Harris is not popular either.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Some America's s some Americans stead differently, But I don't think.
My theory is that that group isn't big enough anymore
to actually get Trump, and that it's you know, the
the real hardcore love him beyond reason and always will.
But initially when he got in the systemmer and there
were other people as well giving him the benefit of
the doubt, and I think those people have fallen away.
(07:13):
And even though the lover is intense and the media
pick up on that, I don't think it's big enough.
I think I think ultimately Democrats and you know, whether yet,
whether it's Joe or whether he's slide to step so,
I mean, it's not actually that straightforward for him to
step nine. You know, people are making it sound like
it's just like, oh, I don't do this, but you know,
there's a lot of and there's.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Also there's a lot of risk on both sides whichever
way go. As I said earlier, it's not an easy
pros and cons list. Love a pros and cons list.
It all comes together, then, doesn't it. But this is
not easy. Look on a on a slightly skimpier note
G string public G string bikinis in public Irene. I
don't know how often you whip on a G string,
but a mother made a call to ban G string
(07:53):
bikini has been paraded at a popular public pool in
New Plymouth, and now tourists have been told to leave
their skimpy swim We're at home. I headed trips to
the Pacific. Do you have an issue with a G
string in public?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Well, my ges years are definitely well behind me, if
they ever indeed existed. I don't especially like seeing them
in public. And I do think this thing about stuffic
islands is valid because I think that's a kind of
a cultural respect thing in terms of local pools. It's
a tritual one because half of the kind of going no, well,
women where whatever you like, you know. But then I
(08:27):
also do slightly bring some mom sort of saying you
but I've got my boys there and it's kind of
almost like they're looking at naked women and I don't
feel very comfortable with it.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So what's the man's you, Liam, Well, I think it
depends exactly like you said, me wearing a g shrings
grew different with someone else during a g shring in
terms of how it comes across.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So look, you know, I'm with you. I mean me,
there's a question of you know, of freedom the wear
what you want versus and fringing on the on the
froes of the rights for other people to be there.
I just think it's a metaphor individual judgment and I
think just the individual communities make up their own problem.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And in a few years time, Liam, your teenagers will
be reciting that directly back to you. Thank you both
so much. Liam. Here and Iron Gardner.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin. Listen
live to News Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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