August 10, 2024 • 10 mins
This week on the Sunday Panel, editor and journalist Jo McCarroll and partner at Freebairn and Hehir lawyers Liam Hehir joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the week - and more!
It was a wonderful night for New Zealand last night - with Hamish Kerr, Lydia Ko and Dame Lisa Carrington adding to New Zealand's Olympic gold medal count. What do we make of this? Can we earn more before the Games are done?
The Government's unveiled their new changes to the nation's educational curriculum - and unpacked some alarming statistics about mathematic achievement. Should we be concerned?
Have coffee prices gone too far? Can we justify paying $8 for a long black?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
EDB alrighty, well, we've been talking Olympics this morning because
it was just an epic night last night.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
She's half a boat length ahead of Cheap. She's got
the race face on the red Sonnies. It's Carrington Carrington
coming down to the line. It is gonna be gold
for New Zealand's Lisa Carrington co.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Parts through and it's down.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
A golden glow for Lydia Combe. Weeks and years of training,
Hamu's kur for the gold middle Kiwi's can fly and
Hemusker Scales his everest and his high jump Olympic champion.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Quite a night time for the Sunday Session Panel. Now
and joining me is editor and journalist Joe McCarroll.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Hi, Joe, Hi, Francesca tearing up just here this commentary again.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Less Liam here is also with us, a partner at
Freebahn and Heir Lawyers. Hey, Liam, how are you?
Speaker 6 (01:14):
I'm very well? Thank you? How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm good thinking you know? You're so right, Joe. I mean,
it's been a it's been beautiful to wake up in
the morning. I've been waking quite early and sort of
checking what's going on and whether I should get up
and go and watch a final or something. But it's
just it just puts it. It's a great way to
start the day. Three goals overnight.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Three goals and not I mean, I don't want to
sound too kind of Pollyanna, but just that all the
key wei's there, all the athletes there, hook just waks
are hard and persevered, and you know, and then their
mums and dads are on the sideline and you.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
Know they were taking them to practice every morning, and
you know, watching the uniforms and I just think it.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Is incredible and so worth celebrating, and you know what
an amazing result.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
I am absolutely lost words.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I genuinely weep quite.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Often when watching the Olympics because I find it so inspiring.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Have you brought onto the Olympic?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Liam?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Yeah? Always? And you know I went down to the
chief match that Albert last night with my and my
son and left that thoroughly demoralized. And don't think the
bed the press. And then yeah, you wake up and
we've got three more goals and you know that the
most gold ever had in the Olympics, and it's just
we're good ones for talking about, you know, having a
(02:32):
high number of medals, peck at that and after this game,
you know, we can we can bitch that we're just
a high high gold with all country all together. You know,
we don't need to qualify it. It was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Exactly and I think Joe that we were you know,
everyone was very hesitant after so much success at Tokyo
to put a huge amount of expectations on the media tally,
on the medal tally. But I do just think quietly
they will be the New Zealand Olympic. You know, team
will be very happy with the way things are gone.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I mean I think the whole do you see what
should be happy. I mean it's not just the medal tally.
I mean charenn is up there with the all time
great across multiple sports.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Bring on the Salmon Bars documentary, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I mean, there's youngest golfer ever into the LPGA Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
You know, our athletes, they're not just.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Winning gold medals there top of the world. It's just
incredible to see that level of talent coming out of
New Zealand and see the hard work that went into it,
and I just I keep thinking how much I want
my niss's nephews to be inspired by people like this.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
They inspire me just to get up. Liam, I'm not
I don't need to go to the Olympics. I just
kind of keep you going, don't they throughout that.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Might go for a walk today?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Do you know how many gold middles? Agentina had one?
But there we go. So we may lost the rugby,
but there we go. We've got nine times gold. Good.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, consoling yourself with that, Leah, I love it. And
also it's really important to note. I think as much
as the middle tally has exceeded expectations, there have been
some incredible performances by New Zealand athletes who might not
have got a medal but got so much further than anticipated.
Hit personal bests, we're hitting every lack in the swimming,
(04:19):
heading every final they could possibly be. They're still up
there with the best in the world. And I think
you might not walk away with the medal, but I
don't think we should underappreciate some of those performances.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
Joe Oh one hundred percent agree. I mean, you're competing
really in the end with yourself, and you know the
level athletes have got to and the hard work that
that represents.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Not just by them, but by the people around them.
I think it's absolutely worth celebrating. And actually not even
just from New Zealand. I mean some of the athletes
from some of those smaller countries, some of our neighbors
in the Pacific.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
You know, they're not starting with the same ability to
access high performance sport resources, and the fact that they're there,
the fact that they're competing, it is something that is
absolutely worth celebrating.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Miam. You've we've got quite a few young children, and
I want to just quickly move on to maths and
what we're going to do with our curriculum here in
the announcement that the government's made. You know, we've got
a problem. We've got to fix it. It's not going
to happen overnight. It's going to take a couple of years.
But I feel like there's a lot of fear mungering
going on. There'll be panicking parents, especially if their children
are just sort of starting to head into school. How
(05:26):
do you feel about, you know, your kids in the
education they're getting. You're just getting on with it.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Yeah, I mean, we're lucky, you know, we've always had
good teachers. And the criticism I'd make is, I think
that's the expect pictures to do two maps really and
you know, the biggest problem I think is overburdening them
by adding more and more acquirements. And if you want
to come back even to the basics, it's actually free
them up to teach the basics by not overburdening them.
(05:54):
But one thing I would also note is I think
that's a real problem in this country. We're going to
be a lot of bad in school. And you know,
so education has become very fanish in US on and
we go through recycles here we have you know, teen
teaching and then we go back to the smaller classrooms
and you know, I think what we truly do feed
I think it's some sort of stable consensus about the
(06:18):
way we're going to teach. And I think that the
politization of it, in terms of blinging back the forwards
one extreme or the other, that is one of the
biggest problems that we have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, I tend to agree, Joe, do you think it?
I just feel like it's been politicized a little bit
too much.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
Yeah, politicized, I think there's a touch of hysteria and
how it was framed, to be honest, and I'm uncomfortable
with how that data has been cherry picked. And that's
not to say it's not a really important issue. It's
not to say that it isn't a systemic problem. But
I'm I don't ever think the solution is this one
size fits all. You know, it's reductionist, it's simplistic. The
(06:57):
idea that you know, twenty million in a bit of
political grandstone is grandstanding can kind of fix this its
years of systemic on a underfunding.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
I think different kids learn differently. I think teachers often
are the ones who are experts in that. I know
one of my nephews needed some extra support and it
was the teacher who said that. It was the teacher
who knew that and that unlocked the world for him.
That teachers expertise.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
So I think the way that teachers are almost a
political football, and that's a workforce where retention is already
a problem. I don't think teachers will be hearing this
discussion and feeling more engaged and committed. You know, it
worries me.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, you got to get buy in if this is
going to work any any change in any new system,
it has to have buying from those responses for putting
it into practice.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, that's true. At the same time, right that the
education system doesn't exist for are convenience as teachers. It
exists to deliver the results that parent's want. And you know,
the government is the Elenking government and it's got the
right to sit with the priority there. I just would
prefer it. I would love the more bipartisan session. And
(08:10):
at the end of the day, though, you know that reading,
writing and doing that, that's it's a pretty good that's
a really important baseline to be able to give on
the world. If you've got a lot of kids, and
I like to see our kids like this that they've
got good parents at home, I think, and so they
will they'll be fine anyway. But but but we don't
have the ability for kids who don't have those great
(08:31):
homes to put that support in the school system, then
actually the long term outlet for the country is not
going to be great. So I'm in favor of terms
of basics, but I just really ought to wish it
to be a bit more stable.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
There was a lot of anxiousness in our office this
morning as we as the long drawn out high jump
final kind of unfolded. But in between all the anxiousness
there was a little bit of outrage as well, because
my producer was telling me that her father got charged
eight dollars this week for a long black which has
just beans in hot water. Would you pay eight dollars
for a couple for a long black?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I mean, let's get a bit more context.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Beans grown in a far away rainforest that need to
be dried and roasted and bagged and shipped and then
brought into the store where they're paying for stuff and
rent and internet and insurance, and then the milk, and
then they make it, and then they put a little
heart on the top.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
No milk, No milk, no milk.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I just think everyone knows every time you leave the
has the cost of everything has gone out. I think
we should make the link between the need for everything
to cost more so that businesses can.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Pay for it.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
You know, if vibell your wallets, if you think it's
too much make a coffee at home.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
There is that tipping point, isn't there, Lee, And you
suddenly go, oh, actually, that's a step too far.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
No, no business of getting a rich selling coffee. I
can guarantee you that I imagine we're so and so.
Where those costs go up, it's because of the underlying costs.
You know, nobody's nobody's ripping loss consumer here. And I
like to say, I make myself on it, instant coffee drinker, right,
So I like, I'm probably not the gift erston to ask,
(10:09):
but I do know from my clients, nobody's getting Rerotrastel
and coffee coffee st experiences because the expenses.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Oh, thank you so much. Liam here and Joe McCarroll.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin. Listen
live to News Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
EDB alrighty, well, we've been talking Olympics this morning because
it was just an epic night last night.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
She's half a boat length ahead of Cheap. She's got
the race face on the red Sonnies. It's Carrington Carrington
coming down to the line. It is gonna be gold
for New Zealand's Lisa Carrington co.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Parts through and it's down.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
A golden glow for Lydia Combe. Weeks and years of training,
Hamu's kur for the gold middle Kiwi's can fly and
Hemusker Scales his everest and his high jump Olympic champion.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Quite a night time for the Sunday Session Panel. Now
and joining me is editor and journalist Joe McCarroll.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Hi, Joe, Hi, Francesca tearing up just here this commentary again.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Less Liam here is also with us, a partner at
Freebahn and Heir Lawyers. Hey, Liam, how are you?
Speaker 6 (01:14):
I'm very well? Thank you? How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm good thinking you know? You're so right, Joe. I mean,
it's been a it's been beautiful to wake up in
the morning. I've been waking quite early and sort of
checking what's going on and whether I should get up
and go and watch a final or something. But it's
just it just puts it. It's a great way to
start the day. Three goals overnight.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Three goals and not I mean, I don't want to
sound too kind of Pollyanna, but just that all the
key wei's there, all the athletes there, hook just waks
are hard and persevered, and you know, and then their
mums and dads are on the sideline and you.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
Know they were taking them to practice every morning, and
you know, watching the uniforms and I just think it.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Is incredible and so worth celebrating, and you know what
an amazing result.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
I am absolutely lost words.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I genuinely weep quite.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Often when watching the Olympics because I find it so inspiring.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Have you brought onto the Olympic?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Liam?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Yeah? Always? And you know I went down to the
chief match that Albert last night with my and my
son and left that thoroughly demoralized. And don't think the
bed the press. And then yeah, you wake up and
we've got three more goals and you know that the
most gold ever had in the Olympics, and it's just
we're good ones for talking about, you know, having a
(02:32):
high number of medals, peck at that and after this game,
you know, we can we can bitch that we're just
a high high gold with all country all together. You know,
we don't need to qualify it. It was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Exactly and I think Joe that we were you know,
everyone was very hesitant after so much success at Tokyo
to put a huge amount of expectations on the media tally,
on the medal tally. But I do just think quietly
they will be the New Zealand Olympic. You know, team
will be very happy with the way things are gone.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I mean I think the whole do you see what
should be happy. I mean it's not just the medal tally.
I mean charenn is up there with the all time
great across multiple sports.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Bring on the Salmon Bars documentary, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I mean, there's youngest golfer ever into the LPGA Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
You know, our athletes, they're not just.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Winning gold medals there top of the world. It's just
incredible to see that level of talent coming out of
New Zealand and see the hard work that went into it,
and I just I keep thinking how much I want
my niss's nephews to be inspired by people like this.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
They inspire me just to get up. Liam, I'm not
I don't need to go to the Olympics. I just
kind of keep you going, don't they throughout that.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Might go for a walk today?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Do you know how many gold middles? Agentina had one?
But there we go. So we may lost the rugby,
but there we go. We've got nine times gold. Good.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, consoling yourself with that, Leah, I love it. And
also it's really important to note. I think as much
as the middle tally has exceeded expectations, there have been
some incredible performances by New Zealand athletes who might not
have got a medal but got so much further than anticipated.
Hit personal bests, we're hitting every lack in the swimming,
(04:19):
heading every final they could possibly be. They're still up
there with the best in the world. And I think
you might not walk away with the medal, but I
don't think we should underappreciate some of those performances.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
Joe Oh one hundred percent agree. I mean, you're competing
really in the end with yourself, and you know the
level athletes have got to and the hard work that
that represents.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Not just by them, but by the people around them.
I think it's absolutely worth celebrating. And actually not even
just from New Zealand. I mean some of the athletes
from some of those smaller countries, some of our neighbors
in the Pacific.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
You know, they're not starting with the same ability to
access high performance sport resources, and the fact that they're there,
the fact that they're competing, it is something that is
absolutely worth celebrating.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Miam. You've we've got quite a few young children, and
I want to just quickly move on to maths and
what we're going to do with our curriculum here in
the announcement that the government's made. You know, we've got
a problem. We've got to fix it. It's not going
to happen overnight. It's going to take a couple of years.
But I feel like there's a lot of fear mungering
going on. There'll be panicking parents, especially if their children
are just sort of starting to head into school. How
(05:26):
do you feel about, you know, your kids in the
education they're getting. You're just getting on with it.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Yeah, I mean, we're lucky, you know, we've always had
good teachers. And the criticism I'd make is, I think
that's the expect pictures to do two maps really and
you know, the biggest problem I think is overburdening them
by adding more and more acquirements. And if you want
to come back even to the basics, it's actually free
them up to teach the basics by not overburdening them.
(05:54):
But one thing I would also note is I think
that's a real problem in this country. We're going to
be a lot of bad in school. And you know,
so education has become very fanish in US on and
we go through recycles here we have you know, teen
teaching and then we go back to the smaller classrooms
and you know, I think what we truly do feed
I think it's some sort of stable consensus about the
(06:18):
way we're going to teach. And I think that the
politization of it, in terms of blinging back the forwards
one extreme or the other, that is one of the
biggest problems that we have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, I tend to agree, Joe, do you think it?
I just feel like it's been politicized a little bit
too much.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
Yeah, politicized, I think there's a touch of hysteria and
how it was framed, to be honest, and I'm uncomfortable
with how that data has been cherry picked. And that's
not to say it's not a really important issue. It's
not to say that it isn't a systemic problem. But
I'm I don't ever think the solution is this one
size fits all. You know, it's reductionist, it's simplistic. The
(06:57):
idea that you know, twenty million in a bit of
political grandstone is grandstanding can kind of fix this its
years of systemic on a underfunding.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
I think different kids learn differently. I think teachers often
are the ones who are experts in that. I know
one of my nephews needed some extra support and it
was the teacher who said that. It was the teacher
who knew that and that unlocked the world for him.
That teachers expertise.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
So I think the way that teachers are almost a
political football, and that's a workforce where retention is already
a problem. I don't think teachers will be hearing this
discussion and feeling more engaged and committed. You know, it
worries me.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, you got to get buy in if this is
going to work any any change in any new system,
it has to have buying from those responses for putting
it into practice.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, that's true. At the same time, right that the
education system doesn't exist for are convenience as teachers. It
exists to deliver the results that parent's want. And you know,
the government is the Elenking government and it's got the
right to sit with the priority there. I just would
prefer it. I would love the more bipartisan session. And
(08:10):
at the end of the day, though, you know that reading,
writing and doing that, that's it's a pretty good that's
a really important baseline to be able to give on
the world. If you've got a lot of kids, and
I like to see our kids like this that they've
got good parents at home, I think, and so they
will they'll be fine anyway. But but but we don't
have the ability for kids who don't have those great
(08:31):
homes to put that support in the school system, then
actually the long term outlet for the country is not
going to be great. So I'm in favor of terms
of basics, but I just really ought to wish it
to be a bit more stable.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
There was a lot of anxiousness in our office this
morning as we as the long drawn out high jump
final kind of unfolded. But in between all the anxiousness
there was a little bit of outrage as well, because
my producer was telling me that her father got charged
eight dollars this week for a long black which has
just beans in hot water. Would you pay eight dollars
for a couple for a long black?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I mean, let's get a bit more context.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Beans grown in a far away rainforest that need to
be dried and roasted and bagged and shipped and then
brought into the store where they're paying for stuff and
rent and internet and insurance, and then the milk, and
then they make it, and then they put a little
heart on the top.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
No milk, No milk, no milk.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I just think everyone knows every time you leave the
has the cost of everything has gone out. I think
we should make the link between the need for everything
to cost more so that businesses can.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Pay for it.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
You know, if vibell your wallets, if you think it's
too much make a coffee at home.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
There is that tipping point, isn't there, Lee, And you
suddenly go, oh, actually, that's a step too far.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
No, no business of getting a rich selling coffee. I
can guarantee you that I imagine we're so and so.
Where those costs go up, it's because of the underlying costs.
You know, nobody's nobody's ripping loss consumer here. And I
like to say, I make myself on it, instant coffee drinker, right,
So I like, I'm probably not the gift erston to ask,
(10:09):
but I do know from my clients, nobody's getting Rerotrastel
and coffee coffee st experiences because the expenses.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Oh, thank you so much. Liam here and Joe McCarroll.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin. Listen
live to News Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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