Part Two: Ragnar Redbeard: The Patron Saint of Toxic Masculinity

In Part Two, Robert is joined again by Jamie Loftus to continue discussing Ragnar Redbeard. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What Phil and Jesus. I don't know how to open
this one. I was going to make like a claim
about like a joke about cum socks or something for
the introduction part two of our What's Ejaculating Socks? Sophie?
Is that a good introduction? Not your best? Pulled back?

(00:24):
What's what's squirting my cumb socks? Jamie? This was the
introduction equivalent of that scene in Footloose where the two
tractors are racing towards each other and then like one
pulls away and I pulled away. I pulled away in
the Game of Unfortunate come introduction based chicken and you
did not know. I refused to back down, and I

(00:46):
think I'm reaping the rewards as we speak. So this
is behind the Bastards the podcast where our introductions are
increasingly unhinged and inaccessible to new listeners. Um. This is
part two of our two part episode on Arthur Desmond,
author of Might Is Right, the book that inspired the

(01:06):
Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting, and a bunch of other stuff.
I don't want to like spoil the end, but this
is a lot of where the Church of Satan comes
from too. So it's gonna be cool. Oh yeah, baby, yeah,
the whole first episode with that. Okay, okay, yeah, i'd
buckle in, strapped together, belt down, yeah, yep, tape it

(01:31):
back on. Yeah, that's when they get it together, right,
throw a wrench at it. Yeah. All of those are
synonyms forget your ship rolling. Alright, it's time for Part two.
Might Is Right was originally published under the title The
Survival of the Fittest. It first existed, as I stated,
as a twenty five page pamphlet Desmond printed out while
he lived in Sydney. It wasn't until late teen nineties

(01:53):
six that the full book was published, and the final
edition of Desmond's life was published in around nineteen o
three under the title Might is Right. It's here. I
should note that not everyone agrees about the purpose behind
this book. While most folks seem to accept that Desmond
meant everything he wrote, there's a sizeable chunk of people
who do think that this was a work of satire
and that he was actually making fun of the kind

(02:14):
of people that you and I find so frustrating. They'll
argue that Desmond was actually a committed socialist to the death,
and that Mike is right was basically him mocking the
extremes of of the politics that he hated. Well, if so,
irresponsible satirist. If so, nobody got the joke because everyone
takes it seriously. But also looking at home dudes life,

(02:35):
there's a pretty natural evolution from like labor warrior to
guy who just thinks that you should punch each other
to determine who gets things. Yeah, yeah, don't. I mean
that's a very uh, that's a very forgiving interpretation. Yeah, yeah,
that it is. And I think the people who consider
it satire, I think in part they just don't want

(02:55):
to believe that anyone could take this book seriously. But
there's been a lot of time on the stupid parts
the internet, and people take way dumber ship seriously. They're like,
he's got to be joking. There's no way. I mean,
I you do have to appreciate that he went back
and he changed the title to something like Punchier too
might is right? Yeah, he got notes, Yeah exactly, they're
like Survival of the Fittest. You know, it's kind of

(03:16):
been done, kind of been said. I'm gonna guess you
like rolled down to the gym and was like, did
anybody read my book, and there was just like a
guy punching it, being like, no, I don't read science books.
And I was like, but what if it rhyme? Right?
If it rhyme. He's a poet and he knows at poet.
I wonder does his does his poetry get better or worse?

(03:38):
Do you think as he slowly becomes a Nazi? I
think labor Song, the poem that you liked with the
kids getting eaten. The children think that's yeah, the children's bones.
I think that's his high point as a poet. Um
looking forward to future work, I'm about to read another
poems that really a poem. It's just sort of like

(03:58):
flowery language. I'm gonna read how the book's introduction starts.
In this arid wilderness of steel and stone. I raise
up my voice that you may hear to the east,
into the west, I beckon to the north, and to
the south. I show a sign proclaiming death to the weakling,
wealth to the strong. Open your eyes that you may
hear that doesn't make any sense, Oh men of million,

(04:22):
oh men of mildewed minds, and listen to me, lee laborers, millions,
for I stand forth to challenge the wisdom of the world,
to interrogate the laws of man and of God, the
request reasons for your golden rule, and ask why and
wherefore of your tin commands Before none of your printed
idols do I bend an acquiescence. And he who sayest
thou shout to me is my mortal foe. I demand

(04:43):
proof over all things, and except with reservations, even that
which is true. I dip my forefinger into the watery
blood of your impotent mad redeemer, your divine democrat, your
Hebrew madman, and right over his thorn torn brow, the
true prince of evil, the king of the slaves. Yeah
he's not. He's real anti Jesus and also anti Semitic. Yeah,

(05:04):
very much intertwined. I was like, there it goes, and
he's off. That is, we are off to the races.
That is bad on so many levels. So he's also
obsessed with like he's like, oh you thin blood, like
just just all this weird coded language for emasculation. You're like,
how do you even think of that? It's like when

(05:25):
you like go on an in cell board and like,
how how would you think to describe something like that?
You're you're thinking about it too hard, my friend. Yeah,
it's um that like that, this is the problem. I
think like back in the day, Desmond was the only
guy thinking like this because he was the only one
spending all this time alone in front of a piece
of paper writing out his crazy thoughts. Um. But but

(05:48):
now with the Internet, people like you have whole communities
of people who are thinking along the same lines, and
they just dry because like Desmond would have looked at
the stuff in cells right about how like, oh no, dude,
you've got this passification of chin and so you're gonna
die alone because your chin is like an A three
and you got to have an A six or better
chin in order to like get a girl. Um. Desmond
would have looked at that and been like, what the

(06:09):
fund is wrong with you people? Um, but that's you know,
you can't have that without the Internet. This is as
far into those territories as you got back. I say,
you leave him on those boards for a couple of weeks,
he would start to see he would start to see
might the darkness he might You do get that feeling
from him that if he'd had the Internet, Uh, he
would have been pretty hardcore. Elliott Roger. It does seem

(06:30):
like every time he has like a lost year or two,
he pivots intensely. Yeah. Yeah, and I suspect he's spending
a lot of a loan time in those years. Um,
well he's not good. Not fucking that, I can say
pretty so absolutely not fucking. Arthur Desmond did not fuck
and rightfully except yeah, sorry, now we're very glad that

(06:52):
he did not fuck much. Yeah, for the better, for
the betterment of everyone. Now, the anti semitism is really stark,
like to us because we come from a somewhat saner
time where that's less common, but in an era where
that was more common. You can kind of see how
the language and theme would be compelling to a lot
of people in an era with a stricter social hierarchy

(07:12):
and strong ideas of the place of religion, the family,
the social order. This like this is a time like
the early nineteen hundreds when a lot of philosophies based
on tearing it all down are gaining an ascendency, not
just sort of like different strains of anarchism, but like
that's what socialism is about, and that's kind of where
like fascism comes from. Two. So you can see where
why this would be compelling to a lot of people.

(07:32):
Um yeah, Now, all all that said, like as much
bullshit as they're in there, there are like pieces of
of of stuff in here that like I find compelling,
or at least that I think in an earlier, dumber
stage of my development, I would have found compelling. Like
there's stuff in here that's Taylor made to like latch
onto the brains of eighteen year old kind of narcissistic

(07:53):
kids who are like starting to read books, um, that
are like outside of the mainstream. And this is this
is where we're building exactly. There's stuff in here that's
made for that. Um. And I'm gonna read one of
those quotes now that like you can see why you
can you can imagine the kind of person that this um,
this is electric too. In the nursery, at school and

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at college, plastic brain pulp is deliberately forced into the
pre arranged mold. Everything that a corrupt civilization can do
is done to compress the growing intellect into unnatural channels. Thus,
the great massive men who inhabit the world today have
no initiative, no originality or independence of thought, but are
mere subjective individualities who have never had the slightest voice
in fashioning the ideals they formally revere. So that's just like, yeah,

(08:37):
it's just like adult like your parents are stupid, your
parents are so dumb. Society's bullshit. Man. Yeah, it sounds
like it sounds like like serious gen x ideology of
like you know, your parents who loved you, fuck them? Yeah,
fuck them. Come those Ikea shoppers. Yeah. Yeah. And there's

(09:01):
Desmond's a weird writer, Like there's single lines in here
that are actually like really good lines, good turns of phrase,
and then like you know, yoho, bullshit, like he's he's weird,
Like it's if he'd had an editor. He's a bad writer.
He's a bad writer with snatches of like really good
turns of phrase. Um, so I'm gonna read a paragraph

(09:21):
that's complete nonsense and then ends on what I consider
to be a pretty fun line. Okay. Mankind is a
weary a weary of its sham profits, it's demagogues and
its statesman. It crieth out for kings and heroes. It
demands a nobility, an ability that cannot be hired with money,
like slaves or beasts of burden. The world awaits the
coming of mighty men of valor, great destroyers, destroyers of
all that is vile, angels of death. We are sick

(09:42):
unto nausea of the Good Lord Jesus, terror stricken under
that executive of priest mob and proconsule. We are tired
to death of equality. Gods are at a discount, devils
are in demand. Fun last line, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
But like it's he never had an um and so
he didn't. But that is something in order to have

(10:05):
an editor, you do have to have a friend, and
it seems unlike he never had a friend. I know
he actually did have an editor, but I don't know
what the fucking guy was doing. Um, because because there's
a lot of nonsense, and you can see, like again
when I'm talking about how there's like all sorts of
ship in here. That's like proto the stuff that people
say online. Now we're tired to death of equality, Like

(10:25):
that's a major through line in the book of just
like the evils of equality. Um and yeah yeah, because yeah,
well Desmond's a big like the the democracies bullshit. Um,
Like all of our our societal notions of like the
inherent equality of mankind is bullshit, Like women's rights are bullshit.

(10:46):
The only thing that matters is like who can beat
up everybody else? Yeah, Like that's his philosophy. It's frustrating. Yeah,
that is like big like college college freshman, like male
college freshman energy, where it's like if I only was strong,
just need to get stronger, I'll fix the world by
being very strong. And I guess, I guess, like the

(11:07):
point I'm making with them, he has odd single lines
here that are like catchy is that Like it's he's
a writer who's writing is made to be like have
quotes pulled out and tattooed on the arms of guys
at the gym, Like that's that's that's the kind of
writer he is. Like you can see why individual bits
of this would like stick out to people reading it,

(11:28):
which is where we're building with Yeah, exactly, that's what
he's good at. And he also repeats himself constantly every chapter.
He repeats every single point that he makes in the
entire book. Um, which makes it a slog to read.
But if you're not good at reading, UM, it makes
it really easy to get the point driven home to you. UM,

(11:48):
because you only have to read one chapter of this
book to kind of get where it's all going the secret.
Yeah exactly, So, Yeah, I'm gonna read another quote. This
one could have come from a poorly mimiographed Sovereign Citizen
pamphlet in the midnight teen nineties, and again like there's
just so much here that seems like directly influenced the
modern far right. The freeman is born free, lives free,

(12:09):
and dies free. He is, even though living in an
artificial civilization, above all laws, all constitutions, all theories of
right and wrong. He supports and defends them, of course,
as long as they suit his own end. But if
they don't, then he annihilates them by the easiest and
most direct method. And you can't be tried under a
flag with a fringe that means it's a flag of admiralty. There.
This is written in all caps. This sounds like he

(12:33):
writes like I've got I've got to a lot of
gun shows in my day, and there's a lot of
poorly like xerox pamphlets in them, Like Arthur Desmond reads
like every one of those pamphlets like there will be
one poll quote on the front, and you're like, Okay,
what's going on here? And then it's just like fucking nonsense. Yeah,
everything he writes just seems like a hymn problem. It

(12:55):
just reeks of a personal issue with something that Yeah, yeah,
he's a he's a bitter, angry guy. Um, and and
that that comes across really fucking clear. And then he's like,
and I refused to work on my personality. Yeah no, no, no, no, no,
the world needs to accept his personality, which is that

(13:18):
the government should be based on who can punch best man. Yeah.
So many people have done like, so many men have
done damage based on wanting to the world to bend
to their shitty personality instead of Arthur Desmond is like
the fucking arc type of that. Um. Although there's also
like there's a there's an angle of it that's kind

(13:38):
of sad too, because you can see, like you we
we covered how he started out as this like very
pro labor guy who was like kind of desperately trying
to get the working class to like recognize how fucked
over it was being by the system they lived under. Um.
And he's completely abandoned that now. And you can taste
the bitterness over that fact in this book, right, I mean,
but that's just like a I feel is like a

(14:00):
lack of commitment to the cause and just being like
I wanted to get all the credit and knowing sure
there were tons of tons of people who did not
give up and who actually made like significant social strides
and stuff. Desmond just like I said, he didn't have
patients like you know, when he started his political career,
there was a point at which he probably could have
made himself a career as a politician, gotten into parliament,

(14:22):
but like after the second election didn't quite go his way.
He was just like, fuck it, I'm gonna write illegal newspapers,
but you know, I like a legal newspapers involved in
the zine community. Yeah. Quote. The common people have always
had to be befooled with some written or wooden or
golden idol, some constitution, declaration or gospel. Consequently, the majority

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of them have ever been mental thralls, living and dying
in an atmosphere of strong illusion. They are befooled and
hypnotized even to this hour, and a large proportion of
them must remain so until time is no more. Indeed,
the masses of mankind, or but the sediment from which
all the more valuable elements have been long ago distilled
their to really incapable of real freedom, and if it
were granted to them, they would straight away vote themselves
a master or a thousand masters within twenty four hours.

(15:07):
Mastership is right, Mastership is natural, Mastership is eternal, but
only for those who cannot overthrow it and trample it
beneath their hoofs. So that's where he's wound up. Yeah, okay,
I hate him. I hate him. Yeah. God, it uses
the word eunuch a lot in this too. He's he's
been using the word unch a lot the whole time. Yeah,

(15:28):
that he starts using that mainly to refer to Christianity,
so like it'll be he'll he'll focus on like lately
it's it's Hebrew and it's like Unich and it's like yeah,
he thinks it's Nickless. That's number one. Yeah. Yeah, Now
I know what you're wondering, Jamie. Is this book racist
as fuck? And yes, no, it's it is absolutely racist

(15:50):
as fun? Um Are all men really brethren? Negro and
Indian black fellow? Calmuck I don't even know what a
calmuck is. And Cooley the well Born and the base
bread the beer soaked loafer and the hero hearted patriot,
belted chieftain, an ignoble mechanic slave, pot of iron and
pot of clay. That's a sentence, that's a that's a
single scene. He wrote that down. He wrote that down

(16:12):
and was like, people have to sad this, people have
to know. I had to read this. No one else
has to read this, and please don't read this. There's
no need to read it. And then and then going,
I mean it's like if you think that that is
the content of it, and then you read the marketing
for how important he clearly thought the book was. Yeah,

(16:32):
that no one's ever had these thoughts before. Yeah, it's
like my cool idea racism. He would have had so
many fucking fight club posters up in his bedroom, right
next to the pile of socks as stiff as particle boards,
petrified socks, and a million snake flags. I just yeah, yeah,

(16:56):
Now might is right? Is on balance extremely repetitive. Sman
does attempt to cite history and science in his arguments,
but he never goes into any meaningful detail because he
clearly only has a shallow understanding for anything that he references. Um.
One good example is this line the Big fish eat
the little fish. The big trees by absorbing and monopolizing
the nutriment, eat up the little trees. The strong animals

(17:18):
eat the weak animals, and so on, and its at infinitum,
which is not how forest work, not entirely how fish work,
even um or or even animals. Like yeah, it's it's
just all caps confidence that you're like, does he know
something I don't? And then it's like, no, he's gaslighting you. Yeah, yeah,

(17:41):
well you know, some of them may just have been
honest ignorance about the way forests. Of course, the big
trees are eating the little trees. That's how it works.
It's crazy, how like Yeah, you're just like, oh, he's
gaslighting me. You're like, no, he's not even that smart.
He's not even that smart. He just like looked at
a big tree next to a little tree and was like, well,
that big ones eating the little one. I got to

(18:02):
write a book about the ship. Now, I'm gonna guess
it didn't surprise you that he was racist. Will it
surprise you to learn that he's very pro cannibalism. Yes,
he's super pro cannibalism. This is the most pro cannibalism
book I've read, No, I didn't run into a poem,

(18:24):
not like figure of speech cannibalism, Like like he talks
about cannibalism for pages and he never says like it's
good to eat people, but like he clearly admires cannibalism,
Like like I just read how racist it is, Like
there's a bunch of lines about how like black and
white people clearly aren't like like equal and stuff. The

(18:46):
one time he talks about a non white group of
people positively, he's talking about New Zealand aboriginals and cannibalism. Um,
like that's his one like wokest passages being like these
guys eat people and that's cool as hell and that's
fucking metal. He just sounds like a misguided like right
wing mental music. Oh god, yeah, he's a big cannibalism fan.

(19:10):
He's clearly Do we know why he chose to publish
this under a pseudonym other than it's absolutely full of ship,
But it doesn't seem like he thinks that. So why
isn't he willing to put his name on it? Um?
You know he had a bunch of pseudonyms throughout his life.
I think because he was a criminal. Yeah, he was
constantly committing crimes. Okay, okay, just curious. Yeah. Yeah, so

(19:33):
like again cannibals, cannibalism. Yeah, he describes him as very
intelligent New Zealand aboriginals when he talks about like they're
cannibalistic traditions because and that's the only positive reference to
a non white group of people in the book is
like these guys eat people and that's sick as ship. Yo. Yeah,
like this is a very like hot topic analysis, like

(19:53):
of of cannibalism. He is sounds so there can't I mean,
it sounds like a terrible book, but at least there's
twists appreciate. He stands cannibalism, stannibalism, stannibalism. God, okay, please
don't make that T shirt. Please don't know. I am
that it's already a shirt. I refuse, too bad. Arthur

(20:20):
Desmond's attitude towards women is another area where his writing
seems virtually identical to angry posts on four chan or
read it. Uh yeah, so I'm going to read a
little bit of that now, Jamie. A man's family is
his property, It is part of himself. Therefore, his natural
business is to defend it as he would his own life.
Women and children belong to man, who must hunt for

(20:41):
them as well as for himself. He is their lord
and master in theory and in fact. Yeah, well, I
agree with all of that. So I don't really know
why we were trying to set me off, because I
agree with it. I think it's right. Well, let's see
how you. Let's see how you feel about this next party.
Women are frail beings at the best of times, and
in secret hearts are probably lovers of the unlimited. For

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the welfare of the breed and the security of discent,
thing must be held in thorough subjection. Man has captured them,
and besides providing for and protecting them, it is necessary
to keep them on the chain. As it were, woe
to him, woe one to them, and woe one to
our race. If every these lovable creatures should break loose
from mastership and become rulers or equals of man. But
that is impossible, he adds in parentheses, I don't either,

(21:25):
sorry about women like their mog wise and so yeah, ikey, yeah.
From the earliest ages man has captured his wife by
force or stratagem, and to this day he does the
same marriage ceremonies symbolize his proprietorship, his capture. The marriage
ring is one link of a chain emblematic of the
fact that the prehistoric bridegroom chained his beloved one in
a cave, so she became tame, tractable, and reciprocative. I

(21:48):
don't know where he came up with that brutal yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You would not be wrong to see Ragnar Redbeard as
the prototype of the in his rights activists or the
in cell movements. Yeah yeah, yeah. I suspect that today
he'd be at the very least a very successful grifter

(22:08):
in that world. For example, near the end of the
book is this chapter subtitle manhood is Demonized, complains all
caps King. It is actually all caps. Yeah, good, Yeah,
it's literally all caps manhood is demonized. And again, this
is like the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. Is
so no, but it's also like two thousand and eighteen

(22:31):
in a way. Yeah, it's very much both of those things.
So we're going to talk Jamie about how manhood is demonized.
But first, you know what's not demonized capitalism? Yeah, beach
to it, ad Pug. Yes, we're back we're back. We're

(22:56):
talking about how manhood is demonized. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think that. I mean, isn't it Robert? Wouldn't you agree?
Haven't you been on the boards? It's a pretty hot
topic of discussion. I it's it's all I can do
to I don't know what's the stereotypical thing, truly, like
manhood is demonized in all caps sounds like a Reddit

(23:18):
post I saw this week. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean literally,
I've read variants of that exact sentence a thousand times
over the last couple of years, generally while someone on
Facebook was trying to sell me like leather goods and
axes and ship because manhood has been very successfully capitalized.

(23:39):
Which there's a funny bit to that here. So I'm
going to read a quote from that chapter on manhood
is demonized. We're living and dying, mostly dying in a
poisonous environment of deep seated moral dementia, social disease, and
political illusions. The righteous and the just, hypocrites, deceivers, enemies
of all that is noble, courageous and manly, destroyers of
self assertiveness, annihilators of hero was him? Would that I

(24:00):
had a legion of demons to ring neck, a crucified
Jew slave terrorized under authority is set up as a god,
a standard of measurement for all mankind. That is why
personal valor and nobility of thought are at such a
tremendous discount. Christendom is bondage. Manhood is demonetized. Are Yeah
I think he was trying to say, like demonetized, like
made into a demon. But it's spelled demonetized. Yeah, like

(24:24):
he's beauty pie. Man. It is demonetized. Yeah, no, man,
you can it's monetized. Very well, Yeah, this is okay,
So man is demonetized. I would I would wear that shirt? Now,
what a piece of work you would? Yeah? Yeah, no, Jamie,

(24:49):
I bet at this point, I know what you're wondering.
How would Desmond? How, yes, how how would Arthur Desmond
scientifically define a fe male? Oh? No? Oh yeah, I
really did get like a weird feeling in my stomach
when you said that, because female? Yeah, I mean, hey,

(25:12):
it's gross, Okay, Okay. A woman is primarily a reproductive
cell organism, a womb structurally ambastioned by a protective, defensive
osseous network, surrounded with the antennae and blood. Vessels necessary
for supplying nutriment to the growing ohm or embryo. That's
a woman. It sounds like a fucking creature from the

(25:35):
black lagoon. What is he? You're just a wound with bones.
You're just a meat prison that's supposed to make me
a child, yield me an air. But he that is
Oh what a loser. What a loser? This? I like
if he had a counselor or if he has somewhere

(25:56):
to express himself. Yeah, maybe, but he did. Actually I
think him having a place to express express himself was
the problem. Well, I think that he shouldn't. He certainly
shouldn't have had a platform, Robert, I think he should.
Oh my deep hashtag d platform hall Arthur Desmond did
he stroke did that a while back? So wait, he said,

(26:22):
he said, when they have antenna? Yeah, where did he
specify where they got him? Because nope, but you have
antenna and blood vessels to supply nutriment to your growing
of him. Congrats on that. I bet you're happy to
learn that my o them stays growing. So maybe maybe
it's the antenna. You gotta check those antenna yep. So

(26:44):
what a door? Wow? What a door? The more you
read might is right, the more convinced you become that,
among other things, Arthur Desmond was the founding father of
all in cells, and this quote, I think embodies that
more than any other strap in Okay, sexualism and maternity
dominate the lives of all true women to such an extent.

(27:05):
Is this so that they have very little time left
or inclination to think, and therefore they've never been fitted
out abenito with reasoning organs. Probably this is what Mohammed
alluded to when he sentatiously affirmed that women have no soul.
Even in man, the soul is probably a fiction, but
in woman it's absence is an absolute certainty. I got
stuck on reasoning organism, reasoning organs. Yeah, that's so nasty.

(27:32):
I just love that he's both like such an like
atheist bro that he's got to be like nobody has
a soul, but also like women for sure don't have souls.
I just I and again it is like that trend
that he has of just like you're like, oh, this
could be something horrible, or he might just really not
know what he's talking about, where he's like, you know,

(27:52):
when you're just sating a baby, you really gotta focus
and give it your full attention, or like like you're
just sitting on an egg for for nine months, you
can't move, You can't do anything much less use your
reasoning organisms or grapple with your soul because you don't
have one. Oh lord, well, Jamie, yes, I'm sorry I was.

(28:15):
My reasoning organism is just overextended. Right now, keep reasoning
with those organs. Yeah, well, I mean I can't, or
my open will stop growing. Oh see, that's the classic.
That's the classic contradiction of womanhood. Right, flex my reasoning
organism too hard. My antenna will stop working in my open?

(28:35):
Don't you understand? I do? Now now that I've read
Might as Right, and that's the last normal quote from
the book. We're going to read one last piece of
Might is right to read and it's a poem. Go
for it. No, From Sandy Hook to London Tower, from
Chatha to Japan, they can take who half the power?

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They may keep? Who can This is the law of
heaven and hell. Stoop in this and divine the highest,
holiest law of all that governs mine and thine. The law.
It is of Sun and Star, of President and Pope.
It is the prisoner at the bar, the gallows and
the rope. It is the lawyer and his fee, the
shearer and his sheep, the eagle soaring, swift and free,
the dreadnought on the deep. It is the bond. It

(29:17):
is the loan, the prophet and the lost, the user
on his bully and throne, the idol of the cross.
It is the goth. It is the hun, the tyrant
and his prey, the flame and saber, club and gun.
Oh taxes that we pay. It is the law of
all the climbs, and all the things to be, and
all the bold, tremendous times that you and I shall see,
from Sandy Hook to London Tower, from Greenland to Japan,

(29:37):
they will take who have the power. And I think
I cut off the last night. That's a very jarring
place to end it. Yeah, it ends with the word can,
I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean, you don't know.
His poetry is so good and deft and complicatable. Where
is it going? That sounds like a shitty black Sabbath song.
He should have kept writing labor poems about kids bones

(29:59):
being crossed. That that was, yeah, because it really that's
his high point. Yeah, yeah, when he was when then
that was also like kind of his high point ideologically too, Yes,
it was yeah, good, Okay, So so he's a bad
poet again. I am also interested in the arc of
his poetry because it's really it's a parabola. Yeah, but

(30:20):
we also know he's a play dress, so we may
my my my thing is maybe he didn't write the
one good poem. He just beats some guy up and
stole his poem. Well that's entirely possible, is right, So yeah,
that is that is how poetry works. He's got I mean,
the untellable damage that's been done to the world over
like shitty artists that that just really couldn't get it.

(30:44):
It's just like part of what that's like the best
argument you can make for like the fucking uh the
universal basic income is like, then all the terrible artists
in the world can make terrible art and not turned
into Hitler and not yet becomes so deeply politicize or

(31:05):
George Bunch for that matter. Yeah, yeah, if they if
they both just lived in small apartments and painted, we'd
all be better off. Right. It's like, yeah, no one's
going to buy it, but they're not going to die,
It'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah. If Arthur Desmond had just
had a government apartment, he would have kept writing poems.
Some of them would have been good, some of them
would have been terrible. He would have published shitty zines
for the rest of his life. And no, I mean this.

(31:27):
You could argue that Might Is Right is kind of
a shitty zne Yeah, but it has way more impact
than that, Like it's it's we're We're about to get
into how this spread outside of the shitty zene community
of the eighteen nineties and early nineteen hundreds. But first,
let's talk about the rest of Arthur Desmond's life. Now.
Once he made it to the United States, he appears

(31:48):
initially and like registers in the city uh of Chicago
as a reporter um. He also started going by the
name Ragnar Redbeard professionally at this point, writing one friend
that he had taken on the new name just for luck.
After Might Is Right was published and started to gain
serious prominence as a work of radical politics, Desmond seems
to have found himself in possession of a decent amount
of funding. He created the Adolph Mueller Company in eighteen

(32:11):
ninety seven for the sole purpose of selling Ragnar Redbeard
books and pamphlets. I'm going to guess Adolph Mueller was
another one of his aliases. Um now, most of these
seemed to have just been reprints of pieces of Might
Is Right. He published The Eagle in the Serpent in
eighteen ninety eight, which was just a reprint of chapter six.
He started publishing a journal, Red Beard's Review, in England.
It was mainly existed to like sell copies of Might

(32:34):
Is Right, and it ran for around four years. Desmond
also started to claiming to be a pH d at
this time, and started signing his work with l l D,
the abbreviation for a doctorate of law. When his biographers
looked into this and found it to be an absolute lie.
The University of Chicago, where he claimed to have gotten
his degree, didn't even award its first l l D
until a year after Desmond claimed to have received his cool.

(32:56):
So pathetic and yet another grifter who follows in the
pattern of they all wind up pretending to be a
doctor at some point. Yeah, I mean, and that's that's
almost Billy Wayne territory. I know, I know, and I'm yeah,
he might leap out in through the poison room at
this point to take over. There's not a lot about
the doctor part. I bravely take on the in cell

(33:17):
beat and uh yeah, okay, so he's I mean, we
knew he was a liar and a grifter, but okay, okay.
And we also don't know how old he is. We
really don't, like, not even super close to how old
he is, to be honest, we have a twenty year descriptive.
I'm seeing like eighteen fifty nine in a lot of stuff. Yeah,

(33:38):
it's really hard to tell, like different sources, like you, Like,
one of the difficulties publishing that or putting this together
is like everyone who writes about him, there's a bunch
of stuff that doesn't at all go along with each other.
And I don't know exactly how everything timed out other
than like the publication of his books and stuff. We
have that set in stone. But like I mean, and
some of that's just down to the fact that this

(33:59):
was like the eighteen nineties and nobody was keeping good
records back then. Um. But also he was a criminal
grifter who lied about every aspect of his life, so
it seems like he might lie about his age about everything.
We don't even know if Arthur Desmond was his real name.
Like the reason they're pretty sure he was Ragnar Redbeard.
Um is just because like the poetry and ship in

(34:20):
Might Is Right sounds exactly like Arthur Desmond's poetry, Like
and that seems compelling to me, like just having read
a bunch of his poems from earlier in his life
and then reading Might is Right, Like, I'm pretty fucking
sure it's the same guy. There's definitely a through line
through all of the shitty poetry we've heard today. And
I I'm also convinced that it's not Jack London who
wrote Might Is Right? Because Jack London, for all of

(34:41):
his flaws, was a good fucking writer. He could write
a fucking book. Um, and Might Is Right is mostly nonsense.
Like there's a couple of turns of phrase that are net,
but it's mostly just like insane babbling with no through line.
I liked Children's Bones and that was a different publications
that was a different from me here. Well, maybe you
just got to read Might as Right, Jamie and learn

(35:02):
about Antenna and perthing works. He's the last thing or two.
Now it's possible that this new publishing career was very
lucrative for Arthur. Some sources say he did well enough
to buy a large ranch in Callus Bell, Montana. He
said to have stocked it with game animals and entertained
journalist friends of his there with hunting and shooting parties.
This is probably a lie because I've only found it

(35:24):
in one source. But he might have gotten rich and
bought a ranch in Montana. I really don't know. At
the end of the eighteen hundreds, Arthur Desmond claimed to
have sucked off to South Africa to fight in the
Second Boer War. He claimed to have joined a regiment
of lighthorse cavalry in Cape Town and to have fought
in the vicious Battle of parde Bourg in February nineteen hundred.
After that adventure, if it happened, he moved back to

(35:45):
Chicago and lived for a time under the name Richard Thurland.
In nineteen o three, he published Might Is Right, the
newest edition of Survival of the Fitish. With that title
um he wrote another book, Rival Caesar's, which flopped. By
nineteen o four, he had been reduced to managing an ice,
scream and candy company, So I don't know if he
went to fight in the Second Boer War, but he

(36:05):
definitely round up managing an ice cream company best chapter
of his life yet. Yep. Now, if you know one
thing about Arthur Desmond, it's that whenever he was in
an office building, he was running in a legal side
business out of that office building that he wasn't supposed
to be running. Uh and true to form, while he
was managing this ice cream company, he also ran an
advertising business as a side the hustle out of the office.

(36:28):
In March of that year, Desmond got into trouble when
a telephone inspector asked to inspect the office as part
of a routine checkup. Arthur refused, possibly because he was
running a side business out of the office that his
employers were unaware of. The inspector called the police and
Desmond held them off for some hours with a rifle
he had claimed to have captured during the Boer War.
He was eventually assaulted, overpowered, subdued, and taken to the

(36:49):
Cook County Jail to await trial. Thankfully for Desmond, a
lifetime as a labor firebrand and organizer had turned him
into a capable public speaker. He defended himself successfully in
court and seems to have earned the sympathy of the
jury enough that he was freed. Wow, that never works.
It did back then. It was an easier time. All right,
we'll give of the rest of his life. We know

(37:09):
fairly little. We know. We got married once to a
woman like twenty something years his junior. They had a child,
but she left him fairly quickly for reasons that are
probably obvious. And she died. Yeah, yeah, she died of tuberculosis. Right,
that's what I'm saying. I was trying to find out
more about this poor lady who he was just like,
are looking mighty fine today, my inferior? And then she

(37:32):
was like, yeah, I I don't have trouble believing, like
understanding why she would have left. Plug my o um
daddy gross. If you want to plug some of them,
check out the products and services that support this show
and also ovaries. Yeah, that was probably a bad line
to go to add zombe, I can't he can't over.

(38:04):
We're back, We're back. We're back. We're talking about o
ms and ads. Mind the bastards. God, that's feminist capitalism,
baby and ads. No, I can't participate, okay, Arthur Arthur

(38:26):
motherfucking Desmond. So uh yeah. His first biographer, who was
also his editor, claims that Desmond stayed mostly in the
Chicago area for the rest of his life, publishing articles
and journals, intermittently arguing with other anarchists, and republishing one
last edition of might Is right before his death in
nine from a spontaneous cerebral hemorrhage that he had while
stalking books at the bookstore where he worked. It was

(38:48):
like a second hand shop, so he died of a
stroke while putting books on a shelf. The author of
Might's write the book of how Warriors should rule the World,
very warriorly death. Um. Now that said, there are other
stories about how he died. Some sources will claim he
died fighting in Mexico in nineteen fourteen, or in Palestine
in nineteen eighteen or nineteen twenty six. There are stories

(39:10):
that he died in World War One, and for what
it's worth you, I think the Likelise version of events
is that he ran a small bookstore as an old
man and died in the late nineteen twenties. Yeah. I
believe the book a narrative that he was reading. I
wonder if he was like paging through something deeply pathetic,
and then he just he just fucked off, but forever

(39:31):
this time. Well, alright, Rest in power, King, loser, Rest
in power King. Now. While our buddy Desmond was dead
and buried by nineteen twenty nine, his work has lived on,
and it did not take long for his favorite writings
to catch the imagination of another generation of political firebrand.
In nineteen fifty seven, Anton Lavay, the father of modern Satanism,

(39:56):
was walking down a street in San Francisco, California, when
he came upon a rare bookstore and the window was
a particular tone that caught his eye. An old copy
of Might Is Right. Here's what LaVey wrote about finding it.
What I saw should not have been in print. It
was more than inflammatory. It was sheer blasphemy. Obviously McDonald
hadn't even glanced within its pages, but figured the odd

(40:17):
cover and title would remove it from the window. As
I turned the pages, more blasphemy met my eyes. Crazy
as it was, I found myself charged at the words.
People just didn't write that way. There's a good reason
for that, Anton. Now, many scholars will claim, with significant
evidence that Anton LaVey plagiarized huge chunks of might is
right in order to write the Satanic Bible, which is
his most well known UH piece um, which he published

(40:40):
in nineteen sixty nine. It's generally considered to be the
most influential Satanic text. I'm going to quote now from
digital commons. Lave's plagiarism was extensive. To his credit, However,
Lave removed some of the more offensive passages, and there
are no racist undertones in the Satanic Bible. So LaVey
finds this book likes the parts of it about hating
Chris Gianity and about like some of the stuff about

(41:02):
like the will to power, and just cuts out the
anti semitism and the racism, and uh basically reprint some
of it almost word for word as the Satanic Bible.
I didn't, Yeah, I wasn't aware that that was also
that whole that whole narrative of just like and yeah,
he'd never seen like I'd never seen something written like
that before. I wonder why that is. But we never

(41:25):
get to the second question. I mean, part of it
is that like, in a little bit of fairness to
leave a like in the nineteen fifties, you think about
like how closed American society was, and how like intolerant
it was of any questioning of like Christianity, of patriarchal
value of like so anything that's like I imagine there
was so few, so so little like really radical text
being written then that anything that didn't reinforce like the

(41:47):
fucking mad men lying about how society ought to be
was like intoxicating to a guy like LaVey. And I
suspect that some of what's happening. Yeah, sure, if Anton
Leavey had been born later, he probably wouldn't have found
this as influential because there would have been other ship
to read. I mean, I'm glad that he at least
cut out the parts, but okay, I would think twice

(42:11):
if I was like found myself enthralled with the philosopher
and was like, okay, well I gotta cut out pages
of racism, but like there's some there's some golden but
he's pretty spot on with everything else. So weird that
he like what he says about Antenna and Ovum's Yeah, wait,
did leave keep the the woman's stuff deepen enough? But

(42:34):
Leave did Um admit to basically plagiarizing might is right?
And he actually wrote a forward to a reprinting of
Might is Right. That like is the addition I have quote.
After spreading the Gospel of Might is Right for over
a decade, came the official commission to write a Satanic Bible.
My agent and publisher one of the material I had
already printed and tracked form with additional stuff to make
up the Bible as quickly as possible. I was not

(42:56):
a writer. Some will say I'm still not, but I
had to draw from my inspire rations what had to
be said. Now you may know that every single occult
scholar I knew warned me against publishing the Enochian Call,
saying that nobody touched upon them and it was doomed
to even mention them. Okay, that was enough for me,
and they went. So it was with the selected passages
from Mike is Right, except I got no warnings because
nobody had even heard of the damn book, especially ahead

(43:17):
in the clouds of cult Nis. It had inspired me, though,
and that was enough. The copyright, even with renewal, would
have recently expired. So it suddenly became part of the
Satanic Bible, with myself and the publisher holding in context
new copyrights and the portions employed. So like brags about
plagiarizing it and copyrighting then and just getting away with it. Yeah,
just being like, well, yeah, sure I stole it, but
I found a loophole that sounds like that sounds like

(43:41):
a fun like indie comedy of like, I'm not much
of a writer, but I've got to write a bible
and fast, like horrible, just steal from this book. I
guess I'll just find this book by this in cell racist. Yeah,
I'm just I'm sorry. I'm just looking at the Anton
LaVey Google image. Just page. I've been here before, but

(44:01):
it's always just newly shot. It's pretty fun, right, snake heavy, Yeah,
he was. He had a style. You gotta give him that.
He was way ahead on brand. I respect a consistency
of brand. Yes, yeah, now. But they claims he only
included the sections of might is Right that he agreed
with because the rest of the work was filling with

(44:22):
what he called glaring contradictions and was at best a rant.
Both of those things are very accurate. He sought to
preserve the things he found so inspiring in Desmond's book
without including all of the bullshit. Quote it is despite
my enthusiasm for the book inaccurate to state that Might
is Right was the inspiration for the Church of Satan.
For the record, I was relatively young when I discovered it,
but I had already indulged myself in the experience of

(44:43):
reading every scrap of anarchists, nihilist, extremist and free thought
esoterica I could encounter. A day hardly passes that I
don't read a comment from someone who was astounded at
how close his own thoughts come to the message of
my Satanic Bible. I find that interesting because he's basically
saying that, like a lot of the stuff in Might
is Right I had thought of before as like a
young dude on the fringes, and like so much of
Desmond's writing sounds like ship. I've seen kids on eight

(45:05):
chan type who I know hadn't like read that ship
or kids on four chan or read it. Like there's
a certain degree to which like frustrated young male minds
think alike um, and like that's kind of what Mida's
Right is is. It's like the worst parts of the
male Id published by a low rent poet and former

(45:25):
labor organizer. That's how I would describe the book. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, well,
I mean, I love when two kings collaborate. Yeah, so
you know, there there is something primal about I think
the young male psyche that Desmond was able to reach
at times, and that's why Anton LaVey found it so

(45:47):
compelling and why he cut out bits of Desmond's philosophy
to write the Satanic Bible, which was also like magnetic
to a chunk of young men. But you know, someone
like lave was clearly strong headed enough that like he
didn't bibe all of the toxicity from Might is Right.
Other people are more vulnerable, and this brings us back
to the Gilroy Garlic shooter, Santino Lagan. We don't know

(46:10):
how we're where he first came across Might is Right.
The book is available for free online and I ran
into it numerous times over the last year and post
filled with suggested reading material on eight chance poll Board.
They would include links to this one regularly. It was
not the most popular tone of white supremacist reading, but
it was certainly prominent, and it's only grown more so
in recent months. In my research, I found the website
for a very dumb group called the Red Beard Right,

(46:32):
purporting to be an organization of white nationalists adhering to
the ideas and ideals of Arthur Desmond. From that website quote,
this is a far right website, and unapologetically so. However,
the site has nothing to do with national socialism. This
website is not for basic bitch hitler fan boys. We
are white nationalists, but not all right. We are the
real right. Our ideal is not some kind of socialism
without brown people. We are pragmatic realists. We embraced the

(46:55):
nature of man and of life itself. We recognize man
for the aware beast that he is, and have no
desire to demand stigate him into docility. We seek to
deal with the reality on its own terms. We have
no interest in be witching ourselves with fanciful willow whisp utopias.
We are the red Beard right. We do not indiscriminately
concern ourselves with just any white person's well being. We
instaid reserve our concern for the well being of those
Europeans we feel worth preserving a future for. So there

(47:18):
we go. That's a great uh, sir, This is a
wind yeah, the red Beard right. I mean the thing
that I that strikes me about all this Arthur Desmond stuff,
it is it does sound like he was able to
connect with that like young, angry, like depressed masculine thing,
but it doesn't seem even that particularly strategic. It just

(47:40):
seems like that was he was stuck there as opposed
to like leave a kind of more strategically pulling out
stuff with a specific goal. But it's to me, like,
especially as his career goes on, it's unclear to me
what like Arthur Desmond's real goal was other than to
be like thought of as a fucking cool guy. And
it's i which I think is why people are like

(48:02):
so fluid in their ideology sometimes when they're just like
I just want someone to think I'm like smart and
cool and if you don't think I'm cool in the
labor unions, I'm fucking right off, you know. And yeah,
And I think the core of where what Desmond did,
like that was the heart of it. And that's why
it's so electrifying to a lot of young men, because

(48:25):
like there's this core of anger that like, particularly young
men often don't learn how to deal with. And Mida's
right kind of speaks to that in a very primal
way and doesn't challenge any of it, and it doesn't
really require that you do any interest. Boy, No, it
just requires that you do a lot of push up
so that you can punch people. Yeah. Now, in the
weight of Santino lagand shooting spree, the Red Beard Right

(48:48):
was forced to directly address what had happened because research
revealed that the gunman had shared a Facebook post made
by the group, and the post included a bunch of
quotes from Red Beard's work, but it also included an
image macro with a picture of a Viking that said,
dear conquered people's The history of humanity is one of
constant conflict and competition for resources like land, food, water,
and women. You wind about the fact that Europeans were

(49:09):
and are better at this contest than any other culture
in the world. You losers want us to regret being
better at conquest and exploration than you were. You want
apologies and reparations from people who were smarter and stronger
than you, people who want to equivocally one, we are
not sorry. We owe you nothing. Deal with it, Deal
with deal with it. Yeah. Now, this obviously looked bad

(49:30):
for the Red Beard Right. Yeah, so one member of
the group, posting under the misspelled user name red Beard
posted this. We at the Red Beard Right do not
disavow his actions, but we are not responsible for the
actions of those who read our posts. We do not
encourage our readers to commit violence. We do not condone
what he did. His actions contributed nothing to our cause

(49:52):
of white well being. His actions were strategically stupid. So yeah,
it's the fun guys. Now, A bit of digging made
it clear that Red Breard is James Theodore still Well
the Third, which is absolutely the name of a guy
who creates a website dedicated to the Red He calls
himself a rogue philosopher, which is the most that's the

(50:14):
most punchable thing you can terrible YouTube channel. I think
I would. I would have to fist fight someone who
introduced themselves as a rogue philosopher. That would That's my
might is right. I'm going to write a book just
about punching people like this guy, Theodore still Well the Third. Yeah,

(50:37):
he lives in Keene, New Hampshire, where he writes books
like Power Nihilism, A Case for Moral and Literal Nihilism. Well,
he portrays himself as some sort of neo Viking warrior skeptic.
My guess is that he will probably wind up living
as a low end bookseller and dying alone of a
stroke like his idol. As for Santino Lagan, the Gilroy shooter,
he proved to be distinctly less mighty than the Gilroy police,

(50:58):
who shot him repeatedly with one minute of open fire.
Most mass shooters these days tend to have some sort
of political message they're trying to get out, and Setina
was no exception. He created an Instagram account just a
few days before the shooting and posted about Ragnar Redbeard's
might is Right. It's clear to me that he hoped
people would be inspired by his shooting to read the book.
Law enforcement combed through Santino's home after the attack, and

(51:20):
they seem to have been baffled by what they found there.
The Los Angeles Times quoted John Bennett, the FBI agent
in charge of the investigation. Among the information we're collecting
there is conflicting literature, everything from left to right, so
Bennett said, investigators do not feel they can put this
person in a box. I wouldn't say it was extreme views.
It is writings and books that we have found through
some of the search warrants. We're trying to go through
all the literature and make sense of it. Now. To me,

(51:43):
this suggests that Santino himself went through an ideological evolution,
not unlike that of Arthur Desmond, flirting with the most
extreme elements of left and right wing political theory before
settling with violent, egoistic nihilism. According to some reports, one
of Santino's victims at the festival was heard to ask
why are you doing this, to which the nineteen year
old allegedly responded, because I'm really angry and I think

(52:07):
that right therefore of why Arthur Desmond did what he
did and what wasn't like, because I'm really appealing. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Oh god, that's awful. That's so brittle, Okay, yep, yeah,
well well there's that Robert there is jee yeah one ah.

(52:30):
You know, it started kind of fun. I liked the
poetry parts. I love Duncan, and the poetry parts was fun.
I love dunking on a shitty poet. God, I mean
it is it is trouble, troubling that like I mean, yeah,
just went that something this angry and it's just like
so clear, how like impotent it comes off and the

(52:51):
fact that you know, it's still it's still appealing to
equally um angry people. It's a sad te go away.
It really is because it sounds like Arthur Desmond was
like a really kind of like a sad pathetic person himself,
um and is inspiring sad pathetic people to this day.
It just is at look, And the saddest thing about

(53:14):
it to me is that, like Desmond, there was clearly
a point at which he could have done good for
the world, Like he started out with really good intentions.
Like you get a lot of credit for me if
you're the only person, the only white dude in town
willing to stand up for an Indigenous person and they're
right to like exist in your community and stuff like
and it's just like that, Like that's the big question

(53:36):
is like why why do some men who wind up
in kind of the similar situations where the sort of
pushing against the social tide stay true to their moral
compass and like you know, fight for what they see
as justice, And why do some men like like Desmond
become consumed by their anger and leave their idealism behind
and just turned into these this sort of like shitty

(53:57):
asshole nihilists. But like, yeah, the ego driven like it does.
It does seem like an ego problem if you if
if you feel yeah like it that the like his
like left leaning political Um, I guess you could call
it a career. But like early on, when he was
still doing cool stuff, it's it sounds like he just
didn't get the like payoff of that that he wanted,

(54:20):
which just puts in the expectation that he was always
expecting something from doing this and if he didn't get
what he wanted, then why do it. It's just it's
just I mean, it's all very bleak to me. Yeah, yeah,
it's like he, um, he wanted I think you are
right that, like he wanted recognition out of his activism.
He wanted to win, and he wanted to be recognized

(54:42):
for his importance in the struggle. And when it became
clear that like, no, dude, like turning around the kind
of weight of human injustice that is like this inertia
in our culture that like leads to such like an
oppressed underclass of labors. Turning that around isn't the work
of one person, It's the work of million of people
over the course of decades and really centuries. If we're

(55:03):
like being realistic about it, and that doesn't mean it's
not valuable, but like a guy like him, I think
was too narcissistic to accept that, and so when he realized, yeah,
he just bails halfway through exactly gives up on his principles.
It's that I mean, And I do think that there
are like other examples of that in the tons of them. Yeah,
just like people who start with being really into leftist politics,

(55:27):
who who just sort of sour for various narcissistic reasons.
It's a story. You see Jason Kessler, the guy who
organized the bloody Unite the Right rally and Charlottesville, his
first big political like action was taking part in Occupy
Wall Street UM. And if you go into the discord
archives that Unicorn Right has posted of those like fascist

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groups that planned those those early two seventeen rallies and
you just type in the term occupy, a whole bunch
of them got their start with Occupy Wall Street and
sort of like liberal and left wing act of is um.
And then they realize, like that ship is hard because
you're fighting against social inertia um, and so they turned
to this kind of violent, nihilistic toxic bullshit. Um, because

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it's easier. Yeah, yeah it is, it's less challenging, and
uh there's more direct ego based reward. I guess it's
just oh God, because I'm really angry, because I'm really angry.
Really does sum it all up, doesn't it? Yeah? Yeah
yeah yeah yeah. Well you want to plug your Jamie Yeah,

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this feels it always it is. It never feels right. Um,
I love a good plugable, all right. Uh, I'm on
Twitter dot com at Jamie Loft his Help and uh
Instagram at Jamie christ Superstar. Can listen to the Bechdel
Cast every Thursday. And yeah, that's that's what all plugables,

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that's all your plug dobles. Well, Uh, you can find
me at I right okay on Twitter. Um, if you
want to find a political philosopher who was not a
violent nihilist uh and not anti woman, maybe read some
Murray book chin. Uh. You can find this podcast sources
at behind the Bastards dot com. You can find uh

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shirts on te public behind the Bastards, And you can
find love inside your heart where it dwells in the
hearts of us all wherever it remains. Seek it out
where it remains and let leopards crush your children's bones
um or whatever whatever that line was. Yeah, let birds birds, Robert,

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you're gonna plug Worst year ever? And now, oh yeah,
we have a podcast called the Worst Year Ever. It's
about the election. Uh, speaking of being pushed into violent nihilism,
hard Sell, Hard Sell, I'm not good. It's selling things.