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April 7, 2020 53 mins

Race cars often take on some outlandish designs and rule-bending technology in their never-ending quest to go fast. Meet some of the more notable characters in the ragtag gang of unlikely speed demons. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Car Stuff, a production of I Heart Radio. Hi,
and Welcome to Car Stuff. I'm your host, Scott Benjamin,
and I'm joined by Kirk Garon, producer of the show
as well. Right, Kurt's right, you're doing double duty again today.
I think we've got a topic that both of us
can we'll probably have a lot to talk about. I
think there's there's ten really unusual, unlikely, weird, strange, whatever

(00:28):
you want to call them, race cars. And there's been
a list compiled. Of course, there's a list all over
the place, so this is one list, I should say.
There's been a list compiled by a place called driving
line dot com and they had an unusual one, like
a different one from others that I've seen, which I
thought was intriguing. So I chose that one to kind
of follow along with. And then I think we're gonna

(00:49):
add our own notes because there's not a whole lot
of material on each page. You know, it's kind of
like one of those it's like a slide show almost
really when you look at it online, you know, below
each photo is just a little bit of information, but
not a lot of information. So you know, when uh,
when I when I saw the list, I thought, well,
I can add something to this and and make it
really worthwhile for our audience, and you know, something that

(01:10):
would be interested in listening to and and maybe even
digging into on their own and learning a little bit
more about each one of these cars because they are unique,
and there are strange and wonderful and unusual and you
know all of the uh, you know, always you can
describe a race car that probably shouldn't be out there
on the race course, and that's maybe the best way
to put her. Yeah, I mean, what do you just

(01:30):
just real quick and we're not gonna really dig into
this yet. I got a few more things I want
to talk to you about before we start today's episode.
But when you saw this list that I sent over
to you, this um this, these tent unusual cars, did
you have any kind of initial reaction to it? Yeah?
I mean the look of a lot of the cars
is unique. When I looked at it, I did. I
went into with no preconceived notions, though, and I tried
to take each one and look at the era in

(01:53):
which it raced, and things began to make a lot
more sense when you look at the cars and the
landscape of racing at the time could have been ahead
of its time in some ways, right, But but other
cars when you look at your like, I can't imagine
at that at that time seeing that car on the racetrack.
It would be so unusual that it would be the
one that would get all the attention. Uh, you know,

(02:14):
even if it wasn't the pulsitter, even if it wasn't
the winner of the race of course, or you know,
even if nothing really spectacular happened with it, just the
fact that it's on the track it makes it fascinating
and unique in some way. So I think it's a
good list, and we'll definitely get to that. You know,
let's get into some of these, uh these these least
likely and weird and unusual race cars. As the the
author of this article says, is his name is Benjamin Hunting,

(02:37):
and he is from He's a writer from a site
called driving line dot com. And that's the list that
we're gonna follow. But I'll tell you we're gonna add
a lot to this list. And as Benjamin says, you know,
racing gets weird sometimes, it really does get unusual and strange.
And we all know this. We all know that you know,
racers in a particular series, whatever series it may be,

(02:59):
are all about bending the rules. And especially we've seen this,
especially in NASCAR, right, We've seen it so many times
in NASCAR, with so many different colorful characters and people
that you know, just right in your face about it too,
you know, like I like, if it's not specifically exactly
in the rule book like that, I'm going to do it.
And then you know, the next race has changed, you know,

(03:19):
it's the rules in the rule book and now you
can't do that, so they have to change their tactic
and it's kind of this, uh, this cat and mouse
back and forth, you know, play the game type thing
that they do. And as fans, we love to watch this, right,
we love to We love to see the you know,
the characters that are that are like a smokey Eunuch
or um, you know, Carol Shelby or any of those guys.
You know that we're really you know, just exciting to

(03:40):
watch a J. Foyd whoever it happens to be. You know,
it's just you know, it creates, it creates characters, you know,
larger than life characters at the racetrack. And one of
the things that results from this is unusual car design
or car technology or just um tactics or you know,
whatever it happens to be. But these happen to be uh,

(04:01):
the whole, the whole deal, like the complete package. These
are unusual cars. They now again some of them do
have just unusual technology. But along with that, you know,
forum has to follow the function, right, so um this
this makes um, you know, the the vehicle look weird.
And you know, because they're trying this new technology, it
makes it look unusual on the track and that's what
makes it stand out. And sometimes, as we said, you know,

(04:23):
these are the cars to get all the attention, whether
or not they're on the on the pole position or
win the race, or or don't even place at all.
If they make one lap, everybody's kind of you know,
owing an eye and over that one car, or you know,
laughing at it. Maybe they're laughing at it. This one
isn't on the list, but a modern example of some
of these types of cars would be the Delta Wing.
Oh yeah, that was an imp sports car race car.

(04:46):
I don't think they're racing it anymore. Very unusual car.
So that kind of gives you an idea if you're
familiar with a delta wing what we're about to dive into. Yeah,
if you're not, take a look online. I mean, just
do a quick Google search and you can you'll be
able to find the delta wing. But that is a
really strange design, especially, I mean look at it next
to any other car on the course at the time.
Completely unusual, a really strange car. But that's exactly what

(05:08):
we're talking about. And as the you know, these cars that,
as Benjamin says here, you know that defy convention in
a lot of cases the boundaries a good taste, and
I agree sometimes that's the case. But you know, they
all have something likable about them as well. You know,
there's something about rooting for the underdog or something about
you know, cheering for you know, the guy that is
trying something new and why not. Um, there's been a

(05:29):
lot of again a lot of people that a lot
of people that enjoy doing that and they do so
behind the wheel of misfits, like number one on our
list here, which is the Cadillac La Monstra and I
hope I'm pronouncing that right, but it's a French race
car and it's a nineteen forty nine car. Actually which
is competing in nineteen fifty. And I'll describe what's going

(05:50):
on here, but um, you really need to take a
look at this car online. You need to, you need
to have an image of what we're talking about here,
because there is some unusual body work going on, right.
Definitely wind tunnel tested. Yeah, and for the time, that's
that's pretty uh, pretty unique, I would imagine for a
road race car anyway, well, for any car. I think

(06:10):
at that time, I don't think. I don't think they
were doing a lot of of wind tunnel testing back
in that time. I mean I know that, you know,
of course, the Right brothers had built their you know,
their little wind tunnel, and they were they were, you know,
to test their designs very you know, like the tabletop
version and then later a bigger version. But then and
I think that you know, of course, there were there
were some wind tunnels around. There were, and I know
that manufacturers did use them and they you know, there's

(06:33):
the later I think I don't know about gosh, I
can't remember when the Chrysler Airflow was built. But of
course manufacturers use wind tunnel testing and they do now
a lot, and so to race teams of course. I
think when you see car that looks like this from
this era, the wind tunnel is almost always to blame,
to blame because that's they they're designing the car based

(06:53):
on that data that they get from the test. Yeah,
that's why it looks how it does sides. Yeah, yeah,
it's a very unusual card to me, you know what
it looks like to me. And I I'm not a
huge Star Wars fan, believe or not. I mean I
kind of grew up in that era, and I think
that was the first movie I ever saw like out
you know, with my parents, like at a theater back
in you know, the late seventies. To me, the Cadillac

(07:14):
Series sixty one that this is built from or based on,
this ninety nine, not the not the street car, but
this car, this uh, this La Monstra looks an awful
lot like the land Speeder from from Star Wars. It
really does. I mean it's not the same color, it's
not that copper color or anything, but it does have
a lot of similarity to the land Speeder, and it
looks like it's almost hovering above the ground. You can't

(07:36):
really see the wheels underneath it. It's such an unusual design.
It's very very strange, very cool now. Um, but but
imagine seeing this in nineteen fifty on the racetrack in Lama,
because that's where it raced. Briggs Cunningham was the one
who took this car. And again underneath it's a nine
Cadillacs Series sixty one. There's a couple of cars that
he actually brought. He brought a factory spect manually equipped

(07:59):
Series sixty one coupe and the other one was this, uh,
this one that they had designed in the wind tunnel,
and this is the La Monstra, which means, of course
the monster for good reason. I mean, when you see it,
I guess, um. But the the French I think, dubbed
it that. But this car had a three or thirty
one Cubicus V eight that had five carburetors. And it

(08:21):
says it ran an eventful race, burying itself in the
sand bank at one point and requiring Cunningham to leave
the driver's seat and dig it out. And then despite
all of that, he finished eleventh in the race. Now
isn't that unusual? I mean, and I think about getting
out of the car, having to dig it out of
a sand bank, get it back on the course, came
back in racing again, you know, for the remainder of

(08:42):
the twenty four hours whatever whatever it is, and still
finishing eleven and eleventh place. That's impressive. It is impressive.
This impressive that the car survived that kind of a lick. Yeah,
I think it's a it's decent finish, I guess for
our vehicle, you know, that did something like that. Usually,
you know, we've heard of these unusual cases where a
driver will be in a race and they'll you know,
they call it spin and win. So they've had a

(09:03):
spin out, they didn't hit a wall or anything like that,
and yet they win the race somehow. It's very unusual.
It happens, but it's very unusual. But this is not
quite the same. I mean, finished the eleventh place, but
that's a long race, and digging out of the sand,
that's something that you don't see anybody, do you know,
still win the race by any means. That's a lot
like it would take much to get this thing stuck
in the sand. Yeah, no, exactly. And I do have

(09:25):
a little bit of an update on this one, not much,
but just a little bit as of seventeen and I
have a feeling needs of moved. But as of seventeen,
or at least in seventeen, uh, the car was on
display at a place called the REVS Institute in Naples, Florida,
along with a collection of other Cadillac race cars from
the two thousand seventeen wins at both the Rolex twenty
four and Daytona and the Twelve Hours of Sea Bring

(09:45):
and um you know the title of course with the
title wins that they won for those seasons as well.
So this is a group was within a group of
other Cadillac race cars from the modern era, which I
would have loved to have seen this in Naples, Florida.
That's not too far off a drive from us here
in Atlanta. We could have made it. I didn't have
any idea it was there, nor do I think I
probably would have driven all the way to Naples. But

(10:06):
if I was in the area, I would have. I
would have definitely checked it out, because how often you
get to see, you know, grouping of Cadillacs that goes
from nineteen fifty all the way through two thousand and
seventeen in in race car form. I mean, that's pretty unusual. Uh.
The next one on the list. Number two, the Chaparral
to J. Now this one is from around nineteen seventy
and I do want to tell you that we have

(10:26):
already done the full Chaparral story on Car Stuff for
a long time when we did this back in two
thousand and eleven. So if you want to get some
info on that and about you know, that whole thing,
and a lot about the kN M series and you
know the the cars that competed in that, you can,
you know, check that out if you want to. You
can go to Car Stuff show dot com and check
that out. It's actually it's a it's an interesting idea

(10:48):
here that with the Chaparral to j. Uh. The ideas,
of course we've talked about so much about this, but
down force on a vehicle at speed, right, and it's
how important it is to keep the car stuck to
the track and how important aerodynamics are. Positive aerodynamics are
in the keeping it down instead of making you know,
acting like a wing and taking off, because we've seen
a lot of cars that have done that unfortunately. So

(11:08):
the idea behind the Chaparal to J was that they
were going to use something called active arrow in order
to do that. Now, active arrow had a different meaning
back then, um, a little bit of a different meaning
back then than it does now. Now, what we typically
see our movable wings, You know that that adjust at
speed and kind of change the airflow over the vehicle
in order to produce more downforce. It you know, when

(11:29):
it's necessary and where it's necessary. This one, however, was
able to generate. This is the crazy thing. Able to
generate something like like, was it one point five g's
of down force regardless of whatever speed it was traveling.
So yeah, you have to imagine this. So let's say
that the car is sitting still on a scale and
it's not moving one bit, and it weighs let's say

(11:50):
a thousand pounds, all right, So that's easy enough to
just an easy round number to deal with. We flip
on this giant fan that's in the back of the car,
that's run by a two stroke motor, and what it
does is it sucks all the air off from underneath
the car and pulls it down to the road surface.
Right it's it's driving it straight down, not any direction
to straight down. The engine is doing nothing but pointing,

(12:13):
and the fan is pointing the air up pulling it
down vacuum exactly right. So you flip the switch and
this thing starts up, and the vacuum starts up, and
suddenly the scale will read or it will appear in
the car that the car ways pounds. And that's a
that's a crude way to put that, And I don't
even know if that's true or not. But what I'm
saying is it will pull down with the amount of

(12:34):
force equal to one and a half times its own
weight as it travels down the track. Now, I mean again,
it could be sitting still and do the same thing.
That's why I use that example. But um, that's probably
a terrible way to put that. I hope an engineer
doesn't call in and say, that's that's completely wrong. You've
just screwed everything up. You're just saying right now that
it probably is wrong. Well, I kind of am, and
I'm backpedaling a little bit because I'm terrible at this

(12:57):
type of thing. But but that's my understanding of it anyway,
is that is that the car effectively as it travels down.
That's the goal, right, is to to make it heavier,
like as as you go faster, it pushes down on
the tires more than it does when it's sitting still.
And this car, no matter what speed you're going, even
like you're stopped, it's pushing down on the tires with

(13:17):
like one and a half times its own weight, which
is crazy to think about. I mean, and so imagine
the advantage of that the driver has when they're driving
this car through a corner. I mean, it's almost as
if you could take away. Not not that you can
completely take away, but you could. You could almost imagine
a driver with less skill being able to corner harder

(13:37):
than a driver with a lot of skill, because the
faster you go, the more this thing creates down for it.
I mean, it's it's it's a ridiculous amount of down
force in this car, which is really really an interesting thing.
And I think there's probably a full topic for a
podcast here. And I'm not sure we discussed the KNAM
series on on car stuff or not, but maybe we
can do that. But later in there's another kind of

(14:00):
related car that I want to talk about in there's
the Brabham b T forty six B which is called
the fan car, and it was designed by a guy
named Gordon Murray, and it would use kind of like
a similar down force principle. This is the F one series.
It would use a similar principle, you know, for down force,
but it was per This is the other part of
this one is that this one was powered by the

(14:22):
car's engine itself, so the faster the car went, the
more down force it would create. So um again, this
one even even more than the other one. I would
guess that suction effect, you know around the corners was
just unreal. I mean, you're able to corner inside outside,
you know, right down the you know, the perfect line
wherever you want to. You wouldn't have any problem. Everybody
else would have problems. You wouldn't have any problems at all.

(14:43):
So um, it did remove a little bit of that. Now,
One thing interesting I thought was the lead driver for
the car during that era for Brabham UM was was
Nikki Laudah. He was the Austrian driver at the time.
And of course there's also another Brazilian driver, you know,
another code driver, and it was Nelson peak Hey, so
they both got some time beyond the wheel. A couple
of big names in F one and UH and worth

(15:04):
mentioning anyway, UM number three in the list highly in
usual car, and um, you know, this is one that
I bet a lot of people do kind of laugh at.
But this is the Lata Granta. I hope I'm saying
that right, the lot of Granta. Now, I know I'm
getting a lot of part right, but I hope the
Granta is right, or East Granta, it's granted. I don't know,
but a lot of a lot of Americans will laugh
at this because the Lata is not necessarily the best car.

(15:27):
It's a Russian brand of car. And um, you know,
they make a lot of street cars in Europe. They
make a ton of them. Actually they make um gosh,
I want to say it's it's in the millions. I mean,
they've been making them since two thousand eleven. I think
they're still making them. But it's built in Russia, in
the Ukraine, Egypt and even in Kazakhstan is where this
thing is built. Of course, you know they're going to
take one of their their cars to compete in the

(15:48):
World Touring Car Championship of court, why not? Why wouldn't they, right,
But they chose the lot of Granted, which is an
unusual choice, and a lot of people kind of laughed
at it. But it first competed in two thousand twelve,
and it has a differ an engine. Of course, it
has a turbo charge four cylinder engine and it has
three eight horse power. That is not a lot of
granted that you're going to get. If you buy it
out of the dealership, you're gonna get a one point

(16:10):
six leader eight valve in line four engine or possibly
if you if you want, if you upgrade it, you
can get a sixteen valve in line four as well.
Number four in the list is, uh, who is an
unusual one? Really unusual? This is the Citron I D
nineteen And okay, before we start even talking about where

(16:30):
this one appeared, because this one has some history. Um,
we did do a couple of car stuff episodes on
this one too. If you want the entire Citron story
part one in part two, it was done in November
two thousand fourteen. It's got an extensive history on you know,
the whole thing. But this is the maybe one of
the craziest ones on the list for me. What do
you think? Do you agree? Um, maybe there's some there's

(16:53):
some a little nuance that makes it not as crazy
to meet in my opinion. All right, yeah, to me
to me is one of the more fascinated ones, just
because of where it appeared and and how this would
be even possible today. And I don't think this, it
wouldn't be possible obviously. But the Citron I D nineteen,
if you don't know what that is, that is a
it's part of the D series of cars. Um. The

(17:15):
I D meant that simply that it had a manual
transmission in the cloth interior, and the D S version
of this car, the Citron D S UM had leather
seats and uh something called a citro matic transmission, so
it was an automatic but had no clutch. It had
a shift lever but no clutch. Um. So so the
D I'm sorry, the I D and the D S

(17:35):
are kind of along the same appearance, but different um,
you know, trim packages and things like that and options.
In between nineteen fifty and nineteen seventy five they built
almost well, they built one point four million of these cars,
so a lot of them were out there. However, early
on in the run of these cars again they started
the nineteen fifty five. In nineteen fifty eight in Riverside, California.

(17:59):
An I D nineteen are actually a pair of I
D nineteens ran in a NASCAR race. It was a
road course. That's that's the thing that makes it a
little bit easier to believe his. NASCAR was a bit
different back then. It was a lot different back then, apparently.
I mean, if you if you know what a Citron
I D nineteen looks like, you know, from nineteen fifty eight,
take a look at one online. If you don't, and

(18:20):
imagine that running in NASCAR, that's really hard to believe
in on a road course, on a oval whatever, But
you're right, that is a road course. This was the
old Riverside track and it ran in nineteen fifty eight.
Is part of the Crown America five hundred. Get this
it finished. Here's here's the finishing. They both finished with
inside inside the top twenty. They finished eighteenth and nineteenth overall.

(18:41):
But that means that in their class they were first
in second place. So a Citron has won a NASCAR
race with get this, a seventy horsepower engine. These things
had seventy horse power. That's it. Now, look at what
they're running today, and you know, like the horse power
and you know the appearance of them and the you
know the how close closely their matched how they had

(19:01):
they looked this, you know, they look essentially the same, essentially.
I mean, I know there's variation between manufacturers, but it's
such just such an unusual thing. I mean, it's it's
funny that they would do this. And I hadn't put
this together, but the author did. They used it kind
of as a punch line in the um was it
the tallagon talladegon ance that's the one that the legend

(19:23):
of Rickey Bobby right. Yeah, they used it as a
as kind of a punch line because the challenger is
the French guy, right, he's the Perry a driver very
Sasha Baron Cohen is that who it was? Yeah, it's
very funny. So it's kind of a funny thing. But yeah,
I hadn't you put that together, those two things together
until this point, But I think that's really funny. Alright.

(19:44):
Number five here on the list is the one that
most people can picture in their minds. At least most
of our listeners can picture in their mind. I would
think this is the Volvo eight fifty wagon that was
in the British Touring Car Championship. This one, to me
is as iconic. Oh I I completely agree, and how
it came about is really really unusual. There's a long,
long story that I'm not going to bore you with,

(20:05):
but um it raised in season of the British Touring
Car Championship and again there's a fascinating story behind why
it raced in there, and I can I can give
you just the highlights right now, but again I bet
that most of our our listeners can picture this in
their in their mind. Just just close your eyes and
if you're not driving, close your eyes, imagine what this
car looks like. And typically you'll think of this car

(20:26):
going around a corner on two wheels. And that's what
the photographers just loved about this car is that it
was always on two wheels. The thing was very top heavy,
of course, but it had some other advantages, or maybe
it wasn't advantages, it was just it didn't have the
disadvantages that you would think that it would have. This
was a car that that actually performed just as well

(20:47):
as the eight fifties Sedan did, and they didn't really
know that until there was a shortage at the factory.
So here's here's how all this goes down. So you
might wonder, okay, why why the Volvo wagon was chosen. Right,
So it's a it's again long story, but it's a
good one, I'll shorten it. So Volvo hadn't rased since
about nineteen eighties six, when it was in something called

(21:07):
the European Touring Car Cup which was called the e
t c C and that went defunct, right, so that
was gone. It was already gone at this point, but
was the last time Volvo was on the world racing
stage in that in that type of series. And then
in the early nineteen nineties, Volvo senior vice president his
name I can't remember right now, I'll find it, but
UM decided that it was time to return to racing

(21:29):
and it kind of pep up the brand UM that
was at this point better known for safety. You know,
they had all these safety nations. They still do. I mean,
there's still a brand known for safety, which is not
a bad thing, that's a really good thing. But they
wanted to kind of, you know, I don't know, spices
up a little bit, right, I mean, it's time to
you know, get back on the racetrack and show what
we can do as well. And so a Swedish performance

(21:51):
company was chosen. It was. It was called Stephenson Automotive
or Stephenson Automotive hoping not pronouncing that totally wrong. But
initially they wanted the eight fifty sedan. Of course, so
you know, they went to the story as they went
to the factory to pick up the cars that they
were supposed to pick up, and there's a shortage of
the eight fifty sedan bodies at the time they were
supposed to go to customers or you know, they were

(22:13):
they just simply didn't have them. They weren't building them,
you know, fast enough to be able to provide them
for the racing team or the racing effort. And the
only bodies that were available were, um, were the wagons.
And they decided, let's take the wagons. Let's just do it.
We've got a you know, assignment we have, we have
a short amount of time to build these race cars.
We're gonna take these wagons. We're gonna do it. You know,

(22:33):
it's gonna be unusual, but they want us to build them.
One of the best ideas of so they find out
that as it turns out, um, you know, these sedans
actually there's there's no disadvantage to running the wagon versus
the sedan. Aerodynamically, well, if you think about the Volvo
back in the nineties, how box it was anyway, it

(22:54):
doesn't surprise me one bit. You have a long, flat
roof and maybe more way over the Yeah, I think
there's more there's more weight, and it's it's distributed differently
for the wagon, of course, which is why you see
it on two wheels an awful lot. I mean, yeah,
those cars were you know, they often were on two
wheels anyway, but the wagon more so than the others.

(23:14):
And you know, here's the really interesting thing is that
because it was captured so many times like that, you know,
couring hard, you don't expect a wagon to be doing this.
And plus it looks incredible and it's it's all, you know,
dec healed up, you know, like a race car. It
looks like a race car. It's really a cool looking vehicle.
If you're a wagon fan, you fall in love with
this immediately. I did. I'm a huge wagon fan anyway.

(23:36):
Sad that there are you don't find wagons anywhere. There's
a few out there, and I've been seeing them in
commercials recently, but um, this this vehicle, this this particular
vehicle was probably photographed more than any other car in
the series during that season than than which was just
a boon for Volvo. Yeah, I mean it was. It
was an unbelievable stroke of genius on their part. And

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they didn't even know what was really gonna happen like that.
The company didn't know it. The company that was you know,
building them, the stephan Son Automotive, the performance company, they
didn't know what was gonna happen either. They figured they
were going to be ridiculed, and I think initially they were,
they were kind of laughed at, but they actually happy accident. Yeah, yeah,
they I think that they said that the best that
they finished with something like fourteenth and fifte in the

(24:20):
in that one season. But again one season again and
we can probably all picture this car. It was on posters.
It's you know, some people probably still have it as there,
you know, their desktop image saver or whatever you call it,
the desktop you know image. So it's a cool looking car.
If you haven't ever seen it, you know, look it up.
The Volvo eight fifty Wagon from the British Touring Car
Championship or b t c C. And you know what

(24:43):
we're gonna have the rest of our list in just
a moment after the break, and we're back and I'm
your host, Scott Benjamin, and I am Kurt Garant. Kurt's
holding in there for number six. I you're you're you're
chopping at the bid for numbers, so you can I
can tell you all right, this one that's an unusual

(25:06):
one too. These are all unusually. That's well, that's why
they're on the best, isn't it. Uh. This is the
Mercedes Benz three S E L A MG. Now a
couple of things make this really unique. Now this one, well,
for one, it's a limousine. It's crazy. I mean, if
you look at it, it doesn't look like it should
be on the race. It doesn't. But I think the
more that I see this one, the more it grows

(25:27):
on me. I initially didn't necessarily like it. It's a
it's a fire engine red MG. Uh sedan, I guess,
a limousine. It's a longer version of the car anyway,
which is really weird. This one competed um raised in
the twenty four hour races SPA and this was this
This is crazy. This is the first race car that

(25:49):
was ever built by MG. Which when you look in back,
I mean, I mean, you see a ton of Mercedes
on the roads right now, at least we do here
in Atlanta that have the MG tag on it, a
lot of AMG cars. AMG has been around for fifty
two years now. They've been around since nineteen sixty seven,
and this was the first race car that they ever created. Now,
I know that they were working on other things, you know,
for UH, for Mercedes Mercedes Benz at the time. It's

(26:12):
kind of their performance division if you want to call
it that, or the performance house. UM. But it is
a full size sedan. I maybe a limo is. I've
seen it called limos some places, but full size sedan
is it's probably a better way to say it. UM.
The car actually won its class and was second overall
in the race that it was in. UM we're talking
about again, the SPA twenty four hour race in ninety one.

(26:34):
Huge horse power, four twenty eight horse power, four hundred
and forty eight pound feet of torque, and that comes
from UM an engine. I think I want to say
that this was a board out version of the already
Giant V eight they had under the hood, which was
either I can't I can't determine this. It was either
a six point three Leader engine or a six point
six Leader engine that they then board out to be

(26:55):
six point eight leaders still a V eight of course.
I mean that doesn't that doesn't change any moore at
an engine of course. Um, but it hasn't some unusual
things it has, like a it has a wood dash. Um,
it's kind of like a sleeper car, I guess if
you want to put it that way, you know, I mean,
it doesn't look like outside of the decals, if it
didn't have all that. I mean, it's it's a little
bit jacked up in the rear. It's got you know,

(27:15):
rally lights in the front. If you took all that
off of their, the decals, the lights, it would just
look like a sedan on the road. It really wouldn't
be anything, you know, much different. I mean, the tires
are a little bit wider, sure, I get it. But
it's just like taking whatever car you had on the
street and throwing it on the racetrack and you know,
putting a number on it and calling it a race car.
But it still has the chrome trim on it and
that it just doesn't look like a race car. Doesn't

(27:38):
like it would be very fast. They called it the
Red Pig. I mean, if that says anything, so the
Mercedes Benz s l A MG or if you want
to search the Red Pig, you'll find an image or
a photo of this car. Now, I found something really
unusual and had a tragic end and and its not
probably what you think. This is really unusual. So there's
a lot of replicas out there, all right. So, um,

(28:01):
replicas of the original are available there, you know, you
get of course, there are museums and you know people
are building in that kind of thing, and their exact
replicas they're they're very they're very detailed, right down to
you know, exactly the way it was. UM. But the original, unfortunately,
the Red Pig that was raced, was sold to an
aircraft company. And this is according to a site called

(28:21):
motor one dot com. And um, because it was one
of the fastest cars in the world at the time,
you know, is huge horse power. Again, it was perfect,
as they say, for testing landing gear at speed by
dropping the landing gear through holes that they cut into
the floorboards of the car. So they would drive this

(28:42):
thing down the track at speed and then drop the
landing gear through these holes, which would just tear the
hell out of the car. I mean every time they
did it, right, I mean the shock that must have
gone through and you know, just the the torque and
the you know, just tearing the metal and everything. Unfortunately,
it didn't take a very long but this thing eventually
just became such a total wreck that they couldn't even
use it for that. So, um, the original Red Pig

(29:06):
met quite a strange end. I don't think there's a
lot of cars that have a history like that or
you know, an end like that, especially race cars. Usually
they either crash or they end up in a museum,
you know, one of the two, especially one that I mean,
this is a historic car, but then here's this thing
is then you know, it was just another car to them,
you know, on the way. But yeah, look, looking back,

(29:27):
anybody would give anything to have that car, you know,
the original car would be a great museum piece, or
even the factory would probably want to buy that back
for a couple of million bucks. Little did they know.
So al right, next one on the list, and I
don't think we need to spend too much time on
this one. I don't know, a whole lot about it.
As a matter of fact, it's it's another series that
we probably need to dig into. This is number seven.

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It's the Toyota Prius G T. And you might laugh
throwing a G T at the end of Prius, but
until you until you see the Prius GT, uh, you
don't understand. I mean this is This is the super
g T Prius, which debuted in the Super GT series
in two thousand twelve. It took the class pole position
in the GT three D class and then took sixth

(30:10):
place at the two thousand twelve Fuji GT five race. Um.
It is, as you may have already guessed, not a
your typical Toyota Prius. So this one is still hybrid.
It still has a what has a larger lithium ion
batteries you might expect, But the biggest difference is that
it has a mid mounted three point four leader V

(30:30):
engine that produces three D horsepower. Of course, it's a
it's naturally aspirated, it's not a turbo engine. UM. It
ran from about two thousand twelve until two thousand eighteen,
and it got the podium several times during that time.
This one I have been staring at photos of this
for a long time, trying to figure out where the
Prius is underneath there, because it doesn't have a whole
lot of share panels or anything like that. I mean,

(30:52):
it's it's buried somewhere underneath some really impressive looking body work. Um,
at least the version that I'm looking at does not
look like a Prius in any way. Prius and name only,
and yeah, I guess so it's a it's a really
you know, I'm not a Prius fan, you know, just
in general, but this one I would drive. Yeah, I
think just about anybody in our listening audience would drive

(31:13):
this one. If you if you look at the Prius
GT or this super g T Prius, you will be
inspired by this. Now. Um all right, just real quick.
I was watching a little bit of the road Kill
Knights footage, you know, some of the drag events, and
one of the things that they had paired up was
a I think it was a Dodge Dark Demon and
a Prius. And you might think, okay, well, what are

(31:35):
they what are they doing with this? Well, the Prius
was actually powered by a Dodge Hellcat crate engine, and
not just the hell Cat engine. Because you might think, well,
maybe the Dark Demon still has a chance against this
lightweight Prius. Right, not just that, but they had upgraded
the seven and seven horsepower Hellcat engine too well, they've
upgraded it by adding a four point five leader Whipple

(31:58):
supercharter to that. So it's it's achieving one thousand horsepower
in a Prius that just falls into that categories. So
this is not your you know, this is not for
fuel economy or anything like that, right, but but it's
it's funny as hell to watch the Prius drag and
of course it just it destroys the Dodge Demon right

(32:19):
off the line. I mean it's within ten ft you're
gonna see who's gonna win. I mean, it's it's that quick.
It's like it's just gone. It's it's unbelievable to watch.
So um again, this is that drag racing event in
in Pontiac. Of course, this rear World drive has a
fort nine entry end. It's got you know, it's it's
completely stripped out underneath. It's just a freest body really,
but but it's it's just funny to watch. Al right,

(32:41):
next one on the list, and we're getting towards the
end here, before we get to our surprises, and we'll
probably have to. Let's let's speed through these last couples
so that we can get to our extras. Okay, let's
let's do it that way. So the there's the nineteen
Terrell P. Thirty four. Actually this is called the Project
thirty four, so that's if you want to look it
up that way. Consider this the the most unusual f

(33:05):
one car you've probably ever seen. Is so we I'm
gonna say it. Um, this is the six wheeler, and
I think a lot of people can also picture this
one in their mind. This is the six wheeler that
has I think it has ELF printed on the side.
A lot of people can picture that as well. Um,
I think ELF was like a fuel or something at
the time, wasn't I think something like that long time
and it was Yeah, you're right, Um, yeah, you're right

(33:28):
through the two thousand's or late nineties. Yeah, yeah, I
think of sponsorship or you'd see banners or at least
you know, some kind of signage for those. Um. This
is a car that was designed by a guy named
Derek Gardner, who is actually better known as a transmission
designer up until the point that he met Ken Tyrrell
in nineteen seventy and he convinced him to start designing
cars and he did so. UM, I think around nineteen

(33:49):
seventy they started building cars in God, I think it
was just like a private garage. Maybe even it could
have even have been Derrick Gardner's garage for all I know.
I think they built the first one there. This one
has a Viet end and it's Afford Causeworth Engine UM
DFV engine, which stands for double four valve engine UM.
Of course the reason behind this, and a lot of
people will wonder why why bother with extra wheels? Do

(34:10):
you think it would just be extra trouble and you know,
it seems like it just it has a real unusual look.
It doesn't look like it would be an advantage of
any kind. But the advantage comes in increased breaking power,
which I guess makes sense. You get more breaking surface
with UM, you know, an additional two wheels, you're able

(34:30):
to have an additional two breaks, so you're able to,
you know, go harder into the corners when you need to.
And that's exactly what they did. And it raced. It
was sort of successful. I mean it had UM it
raced during I think it was nineteen seventy seven or
and it retired after nineteen seventy seven, but it did.
It kind of kind of won over fans it it initially,

(34:51):
you know, fans laughed at it, thought it was kind
of ridiculous, and it still looks ridiculous a little bit,
but it did win people over it. It ran in
thirty races, it had it had only one win, which
was in the Swedish Grand Prix and that's when Jody
Scheckter drove that car um and then it had one
pole position and for get this three times it's at
the fastest lap in a race, which is pretty impressive

(35:12):
really for a brand new vehicle out of the gate
like that. A lot more history on that one that
we're not going to get to right now. Um. Then
there's the number nine, the Rolls Royce Corniche. Now we've
done a lot of cars to episodes on Rolls Royce
and you know all about the uh, the the luxury
and you know the opulence of the of the Rolls

(35:32):
Royce and that's not what this one is all about.
This is a different animal altogether. This is my weirdest
one on the list, is it really? Yeah? Se you like.
Do you like this one a lot to you? I mean,
do you not like it? It's just it's just strange.
It would be strange seeing it raced across the desert.
This was an entry to the Paris to the Car
event and I don't know how many years at race.

(35:53):
But um, it's not entirely a Rolls Royce. Underneath there's
um a Toyota Toyota land Cruiser chassis and it's powered
by something, uh, quite a bit different as well. Yeah
it's Chevy engine. Yeah, Chevy fight Yeah, big V eight.
It's got a five point seven leader small block Chevy
V eight. And again i've you know, they thought it

(36:14):
was a joke again, but um gosh, I mean it
did pretty well in the standings. I think it was
as high as thirteen in the standings as that, right,
it got not too bad really, and it's a it's
a grueling race, a very difficult race to to make
and and to consider that you're in a Rolls Royce.
I mean it's funny to think of because you know,
you think of it being a luxury vehicle. And we've
talked about this on car stuff so many times. We
talked about the phantom. We talked about there was a

(36:36):
guy who his name it's actually the episodes is called
the Man who Became a Paint, which is I think
it's an intriguing title. You have to look into that
one to see what that's all about. And we did
another one about a spiritual healer or a spiritual leader,
I guess the spiritual leader rush Niche who had ninety
three rolls royces that were paid for by his followers.

(36:58):
We did a story about that long time ago. I
think it's the ninety three rolls Royces of bag Juan
Shri Rajnish, which was done in No It's a strange
story and there's there's a lot of funny lines in
that one, but you have to listen to that one
to get the full story. But it's a funny idea,
isn't it That you know that this is such a

(37:18):
luxury car, and it's known for its occulence and and
and the dollar amounts that are thrown around with this,
and you know it's supposed to be like prestigious thing,
but here it is blazing across the desert and I'm
sure that inside there it was uncomfortable and it wasn't.
It wasn't a comfortable trip by any means. It's not
like you're in the last of luxury, not like in
one of the Hardly a Rolls Royce, not like in

(37:39):
one of the Cannonball Run movies or something where it's
you know, a race car underneath, and you know it's
a race car inside as well. It's you know, it
has to have all that as well. I love the
name to Jules. Jules. Do you name your cars? Scott?
I do not. Have you ever named a car? They
kind of developed names over time. I don't go. I
don't name it intentionally. It just kind of let me

(38:00):
ask you this, Do you name it? Or does somebody
else name it for you? Because I've seen that happen
as well. It happened sometimes someone else will name it
and then I'll the car will take that name. But
normally it's a name I come up with. Does your
current car have a name? It does? Yeah? Jane, okay, Jane?
Is that right plane? Jane? Is that right plane? Jane? Okay,

(38:21):
that's just Jane. I call it Jane. Yeah, okay, alright,
fair enough plane Jane. Then I've had the Silver Bullet
was my first car. That's cylinder, Honda Civic hatchback. Okay,
so that's silver bullet. That's good. Yeah, that's good. That's funny.
I would bet a lot of people. I I just
never even think about this, but I would bet a
lot of people name name your car. Yeah, I'd love

(38:42):
I'd love to hear some people, you know, some of
our listeners right in with the names of their car
or cars that they've had in the past, and what
type of car it was, and maybe even you know,
a short description. Why alright, number ten on the list.
We're finally number ten, and then we've got we do
have two things, so hang on. After the list, I'm
just gonna go through this kind of quickly, although I
will all you that this one you know what number ten,

(39:02):
you don't. I'm gonna do something unusually. I'm gonna leave.
I'm gonna actually change the order up of our show
here right as we're talking just a little bit, not
not too much, because number ten relates to what I'm
going to talk about as a surprise for you later.
So I do want to bring out one that I
did not find on the list that I think was
really unusual, and I shared I shared with this one
with you. Earlier it was the the NASCAR Tucker um

(39:27):
and this is another strange one. But in nineteen fifty
again with nineteen o nine fifty eight was the the
Citrum nineteen fifty UM in the poor Man's five hundred,
which I think is a great name for a NASCAR race.
It's so funny. The poor Man's five hundred at Canfield
Speedway in Ohio. Um a Tucker, an actual Tucker participated

(39:47):
in a NASCAR race. It's it's believed to be car
number one zero two three. If you go to the registry,
you can find out all about car number two three.
And I'll spare you the um the extra key strokes
on that one. I've already done it. I'll tell you
about that in a minute. The photos appeared in Hemmings
and uh, I think it started somewhere around two thousand
and eight when they kind of, you know, pose the

(40:09):
idea that you know, this might have happened, and here's
a photo of a car that looks like a NASCAR
did this really happen? And you know, there's a lot
of discussion and back and forth, and then eventually the
son of the man that ran the car in the
NASCAR race, wrote in with another photograph of his dad
standing next to the same car on the same car lot.
So um proof positive that you know he definitely did

(40:30):
run this thing in nineteen fifty again car number one zero,
two three. And this was actually the photo was taken
in the Mount Oliver section of Pittsburgh. Um, I think
it's um, it looks like Mount Oliver. Um, you know
Mount Oliver. It's a used car dealer a lot that
it's on. If all things I mean, and and I'll
tell you about cars car number one or two three,

(40:51):
This isn't usual. This is one that was actually lost
in a fire later on, and then it was this
is the strangest part. It was buried under the garage
of the Tucker Automobile Club of America's founder in Florida.
So if you want to know where it is, it's
underneath a slab of concrete in Florida on you know,
just buried. It will always be there. They know that

(41:11):
they know where that one is. It's it's gone obviously
never to come back. There was. It was unsalvageable. It
was just a twisted, massive, rusted metal at that point.
But an unusual, unusual thing. And if you go to
Hemmings dot com you can see photographs of the NASCAR Tucker.
It's got the number twelve painted on the side there
and it looks like Joe Nagle Jr. Motor Sales is
the name printed on the side. So I thought that

(41:32):
was interesting. The driver's name was Joe Morola and he
was out of Braddock, Pennsylvania. So yeah, you can check
that out if you want to. That's uh. I thought
that was an interesting little bit of history. And we're
back and number ten on the actual list, which leads
to the surprise. I don't want you to look at

(41:54):
that yet. I just want your reaction when you see them. Alright,
So number ten on this list is Jungle Jim Chevrolet
Vega Wagon. Now another wagon, a second wagon to make
the list. And I see why, I mean, I see why.
It's unusual to, you know, have a couple of wagons
out there on the on the racetrack. This one is
a drag car. A drag car, so it's a little

(42:14):
different and probably a lot has to do with the
weight distribution of the car, I would guess, right, Um,
even drag racing, I mean, how unusual is it to
see a wagon on the track. We don't see it anymore.
Maybe I'm not sure how common it was back then.
I mean, I know in the late sixties and seventies, Um,
like you wanted your car to look you try to

(42:34):
be outrageous, exaggerated and weird, and you try to be
you wanted to beat the other cars too, but you
also wanted to beat the other cars in a car
that was unique in some way. It's gonna be a
little crazy, right, it would be a little a little outrageous,
a little different, a little unique. All right, Well that's
coming up in just a second to so hang on.
Uh So, the thing is that wagons actually had a

(42:55):
kind of a surge of interest, as they say in
in the NHR, a pro stock class because of the
mass at the back of the wagon, which actually added
to the traction of the vehicles. So when you compare
that to a sedan or a coup of the day, Um,
it wasn't necessary, it was it was an advantage over
a sedan or a coup if you look at it
that way, right, So think about you know, going back

(43:16):
to uh, you know that Volvo eight fifty wagon in
the Touring Car Championship similar idea. You know, there's there's
probably a lot of the same reason. There's a bit
of advantage, I mean, and once you're at speed again,
there's a little bit of an aerodynamic advantage as well.
So one of the craziest cars that was out there
was was Jungle Jim Lieberman and he raised in the
nineteen seventy two Chevy Vega wagon and of all things,

(43:38):
a Chevy Vega. A lot of people, you know, laugh
at the Chevy Vega because it was supposed to be
more about economy than it was about performance, of course,
and you know, it doesn't matter. In n HR a
pro stock you just throw an engine and it's just
a shell at that point, really, I mean, there's nothing
underneath it that is is stock really outside of you know,
just the the outward appearance. Similar to the Prius, it's

(43:58):
more of a visual thing. It's fun to see that
car beat whatever is next to it, exactly. But he
could he could stuff a giant feed under the hood
of this thing and make it work, and that's exactly
what it did. It had a short wheel base because
it was a compact wagon um and had a lightweight design,
you know, but but waited in the right way. You know,
it was waited exactly where he needed it, so you

(44:18):
know it was actually a strong performer. And you know,
some a few interesting things about him now he Jungle
Gym was he was like a He was one of
the early guys that that was like really I would
call him flamboyant, but I don't mean that. I mean
he was more like a promoter, like a showman, like
he would make a big deal at the track. Of
a personality. Yeah, he cared. He was definitely a personality

(44:42):
at the track. He was really a character. I mean
his Jungle Jim, Yeah he was. And he was, Yeah,
Jungle Jim he was. He ended up dying fairly young.
He died at the age of thirty one. He was
killed in a sports car. He had a Corvette and
I think he was in Pennsylvania. I believe at the
time he went around a corner too fast and head
on with a bus, of all things. He hit a
bus head on. I mean that's what you hear about,

(45:03):
like he could get hit by a bus. Who knows.
Thirty one years old, he's kind of at the peak
of his gamer. We think he was the peak of
he might have been better, you know, you never know,
But he was only thirty one years old, made quite
a an impression on everybody. But I said that he
was kind of a showman, right, all right, So I have, um,
I'm telling you what I'm doing here. I'm gonna slide

(45:23):
a piece of paper over to you, and I have
stapled a piece of white paper on top of this.
The curd has never seen what I'm about to show.
He might already know. He kind of has annoying look.
But to go along with the Jungle Gym story, we
have to include one other character that Jungle Jim had
with him on the track. Can I guess? Or you
want me to look first? You want to guess? I
want to guess. Okay, what was the is it? His wife?

(45:44):
Is his girlfriend? Girlfriend? His girlfriend? Her name? I don't
know her name. Oh, her name was Jungle Pam. Now
Jungle Pam. Okay, so I'm Jungle Pam Hardy. Now Jungle
Pam Hardy. I'm I'm showing him some photos of Jung
Wiiam Hardy. And what Jungle Pam Hardy? His job was
on the track. Now, she was something that they call
a backup girl or a stage you know, a staging girl.

(46:07):
And I'm not trying to be derogatory in any means
that I'm gonna try to be very careful about this,
I am. But she was a rather busty persons buxom
good looking lady. She was good looking lady. Yeah, yeah,
but it was his girlfriend, he kind of. I think
he just met her like cruising buyer one day on
the sidewalk or some some story like that they were
boyfriend and girlfriend. She toured with him for a while. Um,

(46:29):
I think you know, she was like she was pretty.
Actually she was like pretty valuable to the team and
that she did more than a lot of people think.
She would come out in these extremely skimpy unif you
know outfits, I'll call him uniform, but it's an outfit, Um,
go go boots, you know, really tiny little shorts and
you know, a halter top. And you gotta remember the era.

(46:50):
Um you have to look at the photograph to see
what's going on. But um, she would come out and
um in these outfits drive the guys you know at
the track crazy, and you know she her job was
to back him up once he had done his burnout,
and she would also, uh, she would very seductively bend
over and check for fluid leaks under the car and
add fluids and you know, make sure that they do

(47:10):
final checks right. But she did a lot more than
what people give her credit for. She actually was the
one who packed his parachutes. She would do more than
you knew behind the scenes, you know, as far as
like you know, clean up and engine work, and she
would do all. She was hands on. She really was,
and not a lot of people knew that she was
hands on in the pits, in the pit area. She

(47:30):
was definitely like a pin up type girl. Um, you
know that they loved to photograph her. Jungle Jim knew that,
and that's why she was there exactly, and other teams
copied that they brought someone like that with them as well,
because Jim was stealing all of the attention from every
other driver, no matter how he didn't a race, no
matter how poorly he was performing, everybody was looking at

(47:53):
his team and his name was getting out there because
of Jungle Pam. So he knew how valuable Pam was
not only for you know, because it was she was
actually helping on the team, but also the promotional aspects
of this whole thing. You know, we were great and
that they worked really well together as a team. They
had a great respect for each other. I know, um
you've heard, I've heard her talk about him. Um. You know,

(48:14):
of course his life was cut short, you know, during
their relationship, I believe, I don't I don't know if
they were broken up at that point. I think it was.
It was really close to that time when they met,
I know, when he passed away, So I don't know
if they you know, they had already moved on or not.
But she still had a lot of respect for him
and I always did, and it was just it was
a good relationship. Now, um again, take a look at

(48:36):
take a look at photographs of Jungle Jim and Juggle Pam.
If if you want to get it, it's it's kind
of a good day. You laugh a bit about it.
It's real. It's really funny. But the last thing that
I want to bring up, and I know we've gone
a long time here, this is a long podcast, but
I want to tell you something that I found pretty
unusual going through and finding these Jungle Pam images and
kind of learning about her. I saw some articles that

(48:57):
said or there were some that there's some modern verse
of backup girls right now and there's kind of a
resurgence of that right now happening. And uh, and it's
kind of a popular thing. That's I didn't know that.
I'm not one to hang out at the race tracks.
Maybe you've a you've seen this in person. I feel
like it was even back then. I feel like it

(49:17):
was just kind of part of the show, even when
it was like a street racing type thing back in
like fifties or the women also played that part in
the whole thing. We have seen Greece before. Yeah, but
a good point. Yeah, but you know what, I here's
the thing, and I'm not just talking about you know,
the the um the rockabilly looking person that you know,

(49:39):
a girl that that throws the green flag, you know
and jumps up and down, you know, wearing her shorts
or whatever. I'm talking about like a full on backup
girl at a drag racing competition, just like Pam Hardy
was that you know, has other duties. But you know,
dresses like in go Go boots, dresses like they're in
the late sixties. Uh, they have that look intentionally and

(50:02):
they know the role they're playing, they're they're just there
for the you know, the promotional aspect of the whole thing.
And I'm sure it's fun. It's got to be a
lot of fun to get, you know, to do this.
If you want, if you want to get an idea
of what I'm talking about, you can look up articles
about the Backup Girl or the comeback of the Backup Girl.
Or there's a video online called UM Southeast Gasser's Backup
Girls Season. It's a brand new version. You'll see uh,

(50:25):
you know women from this year that are doing this.
I mean, and and before you write in hostile letters
or whatever, these are women of all ages, sizes, shapes,
different styles address. I mean, it's girlfriends, it's wives, it's daughters,
it's anyone really that that wants to do this, and
it's it's actually, it looks like a lot of fun,
it really does. It seems like you know those rockabilly

(50:45):
events where they have you know, rat rods and things
like that in music, and it looks like the women
that are participating in that as well, that are doing this.
It's just that similar, similar kind of feel in a
lot of ways. UM their Facebook pages, there's Pinterest pages,
of course there's articles on hot rotter sites and drag
racing sites. It's it's really it's kind of a neat,
nostalgic thing. That's that I think is is um um.

(51:09):
It's it's taken grip and I kind of like it.
I liked it. I like the trend. It gives you
that feel, that that old time feel. Yeah, something about
the cars, but then too, just they were more wild
and out of control. You can hear the you know,
the supercharger whining and everything, and that's the thing that
fuel was coming out, and it was just to me

(51:29):
the cars of that era and that the whole spectacle
of it. It's just more raw and and just it's
just better as a spectator sport. I mean, it's fun
to watch the top fuel drags the fly down the track,
but it's so controlled and everything's dished out in a
certain way. But those cars had some like just unbridled power.

(51:50):
And well, you were sharing you shared with me a
video recently of it was a drag racing documentary. I
guess we'll call it. I don't know what it was called,
but um. It was from the late sixties in Indianapolis.
Um at the National event and oh my gosh, I
think it was a Hurst sponsored thing because the Hurst
appeared everywhere a few times. But it was it was
film obviously, it was you know, the old film and

(52:10):
it had that That alone gives it a great texture feel.
But the cars and the people and the dress and
the you know, the way it's narrated, just everything about
that piece was it was unbelievable. It was really really cool.
I loved watching that. And you know, the music as
of course, it's original music that was scored, you know,
just for that documentary. Very much of the era, very

(52:32):
much of the late sixties, early seven I think it
was the late sixties. Um, but yeah, you're right. The
just the raw power of those cars. I mean, a
lot of them are you know, if if they screw up,
it's in a wheel stand and you know that's or
a lot of them were drifting over into the other
lane and bumping the other car and the engine was
just right there in front of them and it will
be you know, losing parts because it flew down the track.
Beautiful cars. I mean, it's just unreal. It's so cool

(52:54):
to watch the watch that old stuff. But um, well,
i'll tell you Kurt, I think we've probably exhausted this list.
I know we've got a we had a long list
to get through. And uh, I know we've we've probably
gone way too long on this this podcast, as we
always say at the end. But and uh, in the meantime,
if you want to check us out on social media,
we are on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram where we are car
Stuff hs W on all three of those, and of

(53:17):
course tell your friends, you know, trying to gain listeners
as well all the time. So I guess that's about
it for me, Kurt, how about you? That's it for me?
Anything else? All right? I guess we will see you
next time, and who knows, maybe Ben'll be back. Maybe
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