November 12, 2025 • 28 mins
Forget building the next app – Silicon Valley’s tech bros are now trying to rebuild themselves. Peptides are the new frontier into biohacking, promising better sleep, sharper focus, and maybe even eternal youth. Dexter talks to Zara Stone, a culture reporter at The San Francisco Standard, about her reporting on the Bay Area’s underground peptide scene, and what happens when tech’s obsession with optimization turns inward.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's pretty common is you will get a package from China.
They come sort of unlabeled. You get these kind of
little glass vials with sort of interesting looking powder inside them.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Zara Stone is a culture reporter at the San Francisco Standard,
and recently she's been reporting on a new trend in
Silicon Valley injecting non FDA approved drugs called peptides into
your body.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Then you have to go and buy bacterio static water.
You get a needle, you take out some of water,
you inject it into the bottle, You swizzle it around.
Then you get your like alcohol swab and you like
swab and ope your butt or your stomach or a
piece of fie. Inject the bowl again, pull out a plunge,
inject your body. There's a bunch of different steps and
(00:55):
people are having to do all of these steps to
do it successfully.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I mean, you lost me at the bacteriostatic water.
I don't even know what that is or where you
have to buy this, So we just talking boil water
and you're good or what. These days, there's peptides for
just about everything. There's peptides that allegedly improve your focus.
Peptides a help you lose weight, peptides that help you sleep,
peptides and make your muscles will cover faster after you
(01:20):
work out. But in Silicon Valley people have taken this
thing to a new level. One of your recent articles
starts out with the line, I'm going to quote it
here to the new school tech row, dying should be optional.
That's a wild opener. I mean, are there people who
actually think this, the dying should be optional?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, I think my definitely trying to build a world
where either they can replace their body pot so they
can live forever injecting yourself with stuff. They can freeze
themselves so they can be reanimated when the technology evolves,
or they can export the consciousness into the Internet and
live forever in that way.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
The concept of living forever is a constant theme in literature,
not to mention specifically science fiction, but I'm not sure
that we've ever seen such a strong subculture of influential
people who truly believe that it's attainable in their lifetime.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Part of the belief with this comes from sort of
AI accelerationism, seeing things that are possible in a shorter
timeframe than they used to be, and also from some
of the new technologies.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Welcome to the culture of what Zara calls tech bro
two point zero. Whether we like it or not, the
tech bros are dragging us along in their pursuit of
ever increasing optimization. So what exactly are they up to
and what's going to trickle down for the rest of us.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I'm afraid.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts. This is kill switch. I'm Dexter Thomas.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I'm I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It used to be when somebody used the word hacking,
they specifically meant hacking computer and now life hacks, which
is just things that make your life a little bit
more convenient or whatever. But then there's also biohacking or
body hacking that seems to have a lot more play
in Silicon Valley right now. How do people talk about that?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I feel like it is so part of a culture
that people often aren't using the word biohack. Things that
used to be biohacks have now sort of transformed into
the broader wellness culture. Like cold plunges. Everyone is doing
that red light therapy good for your skit. I think
everyone from I don't know moms to seventy year olds
(04:12):
to Silicon valley is already integrating, and then you have
the next level, and I think that's where things start
to get really interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So what is that next level.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
One part of that next level is injectibles. Injectibles are
mostly pet tides, all these different things that you inject
into your body, the idea being to have better longevity,
better sleep, mental health, physical performance, like this whole range
of like really good benefits that people are hoping for.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Okay, before we get too far into this, let me
just do the disclaimer here. Nothing in this episode should
be construed as medical advice. You should be talking to
your doctor about this. But that's kind of the catch
twenty two here, because at least in the US, most
of this stuff is not approved by the government, so
your family physician probably isn't just going to hand you
a syringe full of peptides. And anyway, even for a professional,
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it's pretty hard to keep up with this stuff because
there are a lot of peptides. For example, you can
inject yourself with something called GHK copper, which is supposed
to help your skin repair itself so you could look younger,
or you could stab yourself in the hip with some
silanc to reduce anxiety. Allegedly, there's also thimosin for your
immune system. I could keep going on and on about this,
(05:26):
but I'm not even sure that I'm pronouncing this stuff right.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Some kind of say that some of the peptides help
with the depression. Some say that it really helps them
gain muscle. There are some parallels with a body building
world as well, so we'll be these like different subculture
sort of feed into peptides.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
People who take peptides often claim that they're effective and
that they're safe to use because these peptides are naturally
occurring in our bodies. What is a peptide and why
is everybody talking about this all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So a peptide is a short amino acid, which it's
like a smaller protein, if that's a helpful way to
think about it. And these are not new things. These
have existed in our body forever, but they haven't always
been synthesized or been able to be replicated outside the body.
Oxytocin is a pet tide. Insulin is a pet tide,
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and I would say pet tide got to kind of
mainstream consciousness with ozepic, the GLP skinny shot drug.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Okay, now we're talking about something that everybody's heard of.
So Ozembic technically was approved for treating diabetes, and we
Govey is the one that's actually FDA approved for treating obesity.
Same molecule, just higher dose in different branding. They're both
part of a peptide drug class called GLP one receptor
agonist without getting two in the weeds. That basically means
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that they can mimic a hormone that we already have
in our bodies called GLP one, which regulates blood sugar levels.
Hence the application for diabetes. Also tells your brain that
you're already full and you don't need to eat anymore,
hence the application for obesity. But then there's the off
label use of just injecting yourself to lose a few pounds,
which allegedly a lot of Hollywood is doing, and apparently
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so is Silicon Valley.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
A lot of Bay Area people were taking ozempic like
two years before the rest of the world was like, hey,
get me some of that now, Like, there are benefits
to azempic beyond being skinny. There's gluecose control. There's some
study showing potential benefits on like memory and longevity, and
people are microdosing them, often in order to get specific
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benefits they're hoping for.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
But like we said earlier, ozembic is one of the
few consumer facing, government approved peptides that are on the
market in the US.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Apart from glps, the majority of peptides people are using,
there's no way to access that in any legal way
unless you're buying buru material. Most of these pettie, even
when the pharmouth companies are you know, legally giving you,
are manufactured in China.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Chinese dealers have managed to find ways to get off
market peptides into the US. One way is to sell
the peptides is quote unquote research grade. Sometimes they'll even
put a not for human use label on it. So
if you happen to use it on a human, like
say yourself, that's your responsibility. So how does one find
out about these? I mean you just do. You just
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google how to buy peptides, and all of a sudden
you're on peptides dot com.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You order them from a website, I mean very sketchy websites.
They're a better website. You might have a doctor in
the US who has kind of done very due diligent,
or you might have a doctor who hasn't. I think
the real thing is nobody knows what they're buying, who
they're buying from. There's a lot of concern about I'm
okay potentially, you know, taking experimental peptides. I'm not okay
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with injecting stuff that isn't the experimental pep tides. So
this is when you start getting this sort of network
of telegram groups, of what's app channels where people all
kind of pull their resources. The idea is a sort
of crowdsourced wisdom can at least advance and further than
just advice from somebody on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
What is it that makes it so difficult to obtain
this stuff from a doctor or a pharmacy.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So some of the peptides, like, for instance, a very
popular one EPC one five seven, which stands for Body
Protection Compound, is known to be pretty good helping muscle recovery,
kind of helping after the GIN. This used to be
something you could legally get in the US till around
twenty twenty three. You would need a prescription or a
(09:43):
compounding pharmacy or functional medicine or whatever. In twenty twenty three,
there was a bunch of pepdites that had been previously
distributed that was sort of placed on a watch list
where they were like, we think there may be some
side effects, we're not sure, we still want people to
doing this. And suddenly they were no longer available, which
(10:04):
is reasonable, but you also had a massive amount of
people who had legally taken this, kept taking them because
they'd seen good effects, and then suddenly couldn't access them.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That meant that consumers, including newcomers from the tech world,
suddenly had to source their peptides from somewhere else, and
because they were no longer FDA approved, there was no
straightforward process to in shure the quality or even the
quantity of what you're putting in that syringe.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So with a lot of people, especially the larger groups
who are you know, book buying peptides, they're sending it
to a bunch of different labs. The kind of the
main things they're testing is like, one the quality, are
you getting what you think you're getting? Two the volume,
Because if you think you I don't have a ten
milligram vile, but they've just thrown in twenty milligrams, you're
going to give yourself way too high a dose, and
(10:52):
you can't test it yourself at home. I mean unless
you literally have a lab and are a scientist. You
have to mail away to somebody.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So this stuff is not that easy to get. But
not only are we seeing these gray market workarounds, some
people are using injectables as office perks. More on that
after the break, tell me about peptide Friday.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So Superpower is a sort of longevity AI concierge company.
The idea is that wealthy people have access to concierge
doctors who look at all the science kind of do
this whole personalized medicine and suggest things based on my
body type. They do a lot of blood tests, they
do the on demand MRIs. A lot of this stuff
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really isn't accessible to most people, you know, even if
you're considered comfortable. This is on another level. So this
company is trying to sort of democratize access to all
the longevity knowledge through kind of an AI concierge doctor.
The company which very strongly believes in longevity and kind
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of talks about how they think they might never have
to die. And then you go to the office and
like with Fridge is like, you know, on this shelf
is like this guy's stack. He has like five thousands
dollars worth of injections a month. And another shelf is
like a different dude stack. He takes two thousand dollars worth.
Among the employees don't have to take stuff, many of
(12:28):
them do and in one of a really interesting, you know,
kind of encourage people to work from the office back
to work kind of things. They have pettipe Fridays where
if you come in on Friday, you get your bagel
and you get your optional peptide shot.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay, I had a lot of friends who were working
in the startup space in like the twenty tens. I
remember the ping pong tables, I remember the Nintendo sixty four's,
I remember the arcade machines. Those are the things that
they used to use to get people to come into work.
Peptime Fridays. Wild, that is a wild perk.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Hey, I mean, you want your pet tide shot, you
got to be in office.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So you you mentioned the price, So hold up two
thousand dollars a month on peptides five thousand dollars a month.
I mean that is double a lot of people's house
note double, a lot of people's rent. That's a lot
of money.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Oh yeah. But I would also say that these guys
who are doing pet tight stacks, so they're not just
doing one or two, They're doing a whole bunch of
different pet tides combined and very regularly. There's the Wolverine stack,
which is like a couple of different pet tides together
that is, you know, based on Wolverine. You know, it's
recovers very quickly. Nothing can hurt him.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
The Wolverine stack. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
But also I would say that a lot of people
I spoke to who do pet tides regularly maybe one
hundred two hundred a month, which you know is not nothing,
but again is like much more reasonable than the pet
tight bros who are taking that volume.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Hold on, have you had any of this stuff? Have
you tried anyth the peptides I have tried.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Some the ones I've tried have been ones given to
me by a docta or by somebody who was being
overseen by adulta. I tried GHKCU. It's a copper peptide
that's meant to be really good for the skin. It
did nothing but give me a really big bruise that
actually it would never have done anything because you were
meant to do it regularly, So doing it once off
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was you know, really just to the gram.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Have you talked to anybody in your reporting who has
had a bad side effect from this stuff?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I spoke to one person who kind of overestimated, who
gave themselves two large a dose and they had like
a really bad stomach ache for like a day or so.
But I haven't actually found anyone who really has had
worse side effects than that. I would say the biggest
concern is sepsis, and sepsis again would be from poor application,
(14:58):
not so much from lif poor quality of the drug.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
What happens if you overdose? What happens if you use
too much?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I think like you get atomic ache, you might get
very dehydrated, You might need to go on like a
sort of ivy drip to replace fluids. And this is
generally unless you have any pre existing conditions. Kind of
the worst case scenario.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But keep in mind here that the crowd that Czar
is reporting on, the people in Silicon Valley who are
taking peptides, have a lot of resources at their disposal
to at least reduce the risk of using these off
market peptides that they're taking. Not everyone has that.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I think with some of the kind of the Bay
Area techies who are doing peptides and other experimental things,
many of them are also doing very frequent blood panels.
They are doing dexas scans. They might not have adopt
checking in on them, but they are doing all these
different things to monitor how the new substances they're taken
(16:00):
are affecting their physiology. And you know, somebody who's like, oh, peptides,
I live in Nebraska might not be doing the same thing.
And I think they may be missing something there, because
you know, the blood test doesn't make it safe, but
it does give you like a measured way to track
things that are difficult to track. So I think there's
an element of that that might not be obvious just.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Listening to you talk about this. And I wonder how
people listening to this will feel. I'm kind of getting
the feeling like, oh man, maybe I should be trying
some of these things. Is that a common response.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think it's challenging to talk about it without being
people being intrigued by some of it. I urge people
to be cautious and not just by random shit and
stick needles into themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, that's fruital. Yeah, whether or not they actually deliver
on the promise, peptides are just one part of a
larger trend in Silicon Valley. So why is biohacking getting
so popular and what does that mean for the rest
of us? That's after the break. Silicon Valley for a
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while was very stereotyped as being, you know, a bunch
of skinny nerds who wore hoodies, and there was this
other kind of parallel maybe track of things that men
did online, which is, here's how to get big and
huge and go to the gym, and we're gonna watch
MMA and all that sort of thing, and we're gonna
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watch sports. And those two didn't really job together. You know,
the skinny computer nerds didn't really like sports, and that
was almost kind of like a badge of honor, like, oh,
I don't like sports. That's for those meatheads, you know,
that's for the jocks. That seems to be kind of dovetailing.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Now it has sort of gone. I don't know even
if it's full circle, but it's just kind of muched.
I think it's maybe the dude equivalent of like I
can have it all, you know, I can have the
the computer science degree, I can have the l LN,
I can have the muscles. In a way where perhaps
you were like, you know, the tropes of nerds versus
jokes or whatever has sort of like faded in a
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way because people are like, I can have all of
these different things and still kind of be a complete person.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I mean, I think probably the obvious version of that
would be Mark Zuckerberg saying he was training MMA. I
don't think that was a tipping point, but I think
that was sort of an obvious sign that, Okay, the
nerds are going to the gym. Something has changed.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I think there's you know a portion of people who
are also just doing this to be hotter, optimizing for
attractiveness as well. So if they can get skinnier, if
them muscles can't be bigger. It kind of feeds into
the same train of like optimization. If they optimize their looks,
they optimize the work, they optimize or sleep and these
are all very kind of interrelated, sort of a Zuckerberg
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blow up, you know, as maybe the driver for some of.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
This, this obsession with optimization might have some deep roots
in Silicon Valley, but it's starting to spread out into
mainstream culture, and I think there's a pattern here. I mean,
think about it. Wearable devices that track your sleep used
to be weird. Now they're pretty normal. And think back
to our Google Glass episode. Having an always on computer
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camera strapped to your face was bizarre, but society starting
to warm up to that idea. Now you've got people
running around in Minnesota wearing the new meta ray bands.
It used to be that the most influential people in
America were musicians or actors in Hollywood, but Silicon Valley
is starting to be another cultural place that people look
up to and want a copy. If a lot of
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people in Silicon Valley are into peptides, now, is it
just a matter of time before the rest of us
are injecting stuff? Also?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, I think so. Really it's not something I would
have said yes too before Zembek, but Ozembic, this global
phenomenon a really normalized injecting yourself with stuff, And that's
not a Silicon Valley thing. That driver of a weight
loss industry, the abess teeth epidemic that has taken the
a deear of injecting yourself from something weird and scary
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to something that people are embracing. So yeah, that tracks
with the fact that pep tides are going to spread.
I think going forwards there is going to be a
lot more flexibility. And we have RFK on record saying,
you know, he wants kind of the FDA to stop
being so anti pet tides and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
We're going to end the war at FDA against alternative medicine.
Thank you for on stem cells, warm keylating drugs. We're
on if you want to take an experimental drug, you
can do that.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
That's the US Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Junior on The Ultimate Human podcast with Gary Breca.
And this is kind of RFK Junior's thing. Back before
the election last year, he made a tweet accusing the
FDA of suppressing everything from pet tides to raw milk
to ivermectin. Remember that was that horse deworming pace that
people were trying to take to cure COVID. And he
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started that tweet with the sentence quote, FDA's war on
public health is about to end.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So these are all kind of adding up for something
a bigger picture and a bigger sort of rollout or acceptance.
It's going to be a couple of years, and then
I think it will be like, oh, it's you know,
here's my waita beck, here's my pep tie shot.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
As you're telling me about peptides, it sounds nuts that
somebody would just inject themselves on the off chance that
maybe their focus will get a little bit better for
the afternoon. But maybe not. Maybe it isn't so weird.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
We're at the start of something that I think is
really going to change, and we have an administration which
is maybe being friendlier than ever before to this kind
of experimental stuff. So maybe at some point people will
be getting this through woolgreens. It might cost more, but
at least, you know, the supply chain part of it
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will be fixed in terms of you know what you're doing.
When I think we're just at the beginning of this, Really.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
If peptides really do hit the mainstream and live up
to the potential that people say is there, the next
question is what the existence of this superhuman drug does
to us as a society. Are we now getting into
yet another permutation of kind of haves and have nots?
And what I mean by that is people who have
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access to the money to buy these things, can get
all these benefits where people who don't can't have those
benefits to some extent.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But I would also sort of caveat that with that
prescription drugs are expensive if you don't have insurance. There's
a lot of access and income disparity for a whole
bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Right now, in America, the richest come in the world,
millions of people are still struggling to get access to
decent quality food. It's hard to imagine that we're going
to figure out equal access when it comes to peptides.
Just for example. One of the co founders of that
longevity concierge service, Superpower said in Zara's article, and I'm
quoting here that good health is becoming a status symbol.
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And to be clear here I'm not criticizing him. I
think that he's correct. I'd say that being healthy has
been a status symbol, not in the sense of a liu,
a tom bag or a labouobuo. I mean in the
sense that a lot of modern history is us dealing
with the fact that good health is something that only
people with a certain level of status could even afford.
So maybe we're just repeating ourselves here.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I mean, we haven't even told you about pediatric peptides.
This is a kind of a small but growing kind
of area of people who are seeing the benefits of
giving peptides to children. The parents generally have to do
the injecting because I think the youngest child I've heard of,
I think was maybe eight years old. I think this
is wild and I am kind of struggling to kind
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of come to terms with some of this. When you're reporting,
you're like, Okay, yeah, adults are doing whatever, but when
you hear children, it sort of takes it to a
very different place.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Wow. I hesitate to even ask what are the benefits
that it gives to a child?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Supposedly, Supposedly the ones that are being used more frequently
on children are for the athletes, you know, the ten
year old runner or swimmer, so they're getting a lot
of a muscle recovery ones.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So who knows. Maybe the next step in peptides is
a world where some kids can run faster and swim
further and get more athletic scholarships, or they can focus
more on homework and get better sleep, or even look
more conventionally attractive by being thinner. Meanwhile, other kids don't
get that stuff. So one of my side hustles in
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college was tutoring, and at first I started out with
homework tutoring, but I figured out pretty quick that the
best money is an sat tutoring because rich kids' parents
will pay a lot of money to get their kids
into a good school, and a lot of the time
that's why I was teaching rich kids. Sometimes I'd get
to teach on the poor side of town. I think
the school district had some vouchers or something like that
to bring us in, and the idea was that it
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would help level the playing field. But it always worked
out the same way. Those voucher contracts would end halfway
through the year. The company didn't have enough tutors for
those specific schools, And meanwhile, the rich kids always got
the best environment, the most motivated tutors, and the most
supportant They got set up for success. Let's say that
these peptides really work. Let's say they're one hundred percent safe.
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Let's say that this is genuinely something that can improve humans' lives. Okay,
does everyone get access to that or do we wait
for it to trickle down to the rest of us,
while people with status get a head start on their superpowers.
Thank you so much for checking out another episode of
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And by the way, there is another weird trend happening
among the tech bros. That Zara told me about sperm racing.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
First way you're looking at it is like guys are
jacking off putting the sperm into a racecourse, and people
through like microscopic cameras, et cetera, like you know, watching
sperm race on a screen as a kind of sport.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Sorry, I'm just of Jenner process this. So is this
like were we talking a live event?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Here?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We are we talking here?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
They sort of broadcast this as a live event, which
was a little disingenuous because the way they did it
is they filmed it. They like took the sperm, they
put it in this sort of racecourse. I think they
died its slightly different colors so it would show up
a certain way in the cinematography. But then they actually,
like at a light event, they showed the video like
people weren't all standing around like a pool table watching
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sperm weave around it.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
We are live in Los Angeles for the world's very
first sperm race run by four three.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
W and here we go.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh shack, they're going.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
They're going.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Is the aser the chamber?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
We are Oh my god, oh ho.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And look before anybody asks, I'm just gonna make this
clear now we are not going to do an episode
about sperm racing, so please do not ask. I like
weird subcultures just as much as everybody else, but we
got to draw the line somewhere anyway. That's from us.
Catch on the next one.
What's pretty common is you will get a package from China.
They come sort of unlabeled. You get these kind of
little glass vials with sort of interesting looking powder inside them.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Zara Stone is a culture reporter at the San Francisco Standard,
and recently she's been reporting on a new trend in
Silicon Valley injecting non FDA approved drugs called peptides into
your body.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Then you have to go and buy bacterio static water.
You get a needle, you take out some of water,
you inject it into the bottle, You swizzle it around.
Then you get your like alcohol swab and you like
swab and ope your butt or your stomach or a
piece of fie. Inject the bowl again, pull out a plunge,
inject your body. There's a bunch of different steps and
(00:55):
people are having to do all of these steps to
do it successfully.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I mean, you lost me at the bacteriostatic water.
I don't even know what that is or where you
have to buy this, So we just talking boil water
and you're good or what. These days, there's peptides for
just about everything. There's peptides that allegedly improve your focus.
Peptides a help you lose weight, peptides that help you sleep,
peptides and make your muscles will cover faster after you
(01:20):
work out. But in Silicon Valley people have taken this
thing to a new level. One of your recent articles
starts out with the line, I'm going to quote it
here to the new school tech row, dying should be optional.
That's a wild opener. I mean, are there people who
actually think this, the dying should be optional?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, I think my definitely trying to build a world
where either they can replace their body pot so they
can live forever injecting yourself with stuff. They can freeze
themselves so they can be reanimated when the technology evolves,
or they can export the consciousness into the Internet and
live forever in that way.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
The concept of living forever is a constant theme in literature,
not to mention specifically science fiction, but I'm not sure
that we've ever seen such a strong subculture of influential
people who truly believe that it's attainable in their lifetime.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Part of the belief with this comes from sort of
AI accelerationism, seeing things that are possible in a shorter
timeframe than they used to be, and also from some
of the new technologies.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Welcome to the culture of what Zara calls tech bro
two point zero. Whether we like it or not, the
tech bros are dragging us along in their pursuit of
ever increasing optimization. So what exactly are they up to
and what's going to trickle down for the rest of us.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I'm afraid.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts. This is kill switch. I'm Dexter Thomas.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I'm I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It used to be when somebody used the word hacking,
they specifically meant hacking computer and now life hacks, which
is just things that make your life a little bit
more convenient or whatever. But then there's also biohacking or
body hacking that seems to have a lot more play
in Silicon Valley right now. How do people talk about that?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I feel like it is so part of a culture
that people often aren't using the word biohack. Things that
used to be biohacks have now sort of transformed into
the broader wellness culture. Like cold plunges. Everyone is doing
that red light therapy good for your skit. I think
everyone from I don't know moms to seventy year olds
(04:12):
to Silicon valley is already integrating, and then you have
the next level, and I think that's where things start
to get really interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So what is that next level.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
One part of that next level is injectibles. Injectibles are
mostly pet tides, all these different things that you inject
into your body, the idea being to have better longevity,
better sleep, mental health, physical performance, like this whole range
of like really good benefits that people are hoping for.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Okay, before we get too far into this, let me
just do the disclaimer here. Nothing in this episode should
be construed as medical advice. You should be talking to
your doctor about this. But that's kind of the catch
twenty two here, because at least in the US, most
of this stuff is not approved by the government, so
your family physician probably isn't just going to hand you
a syringe full of peptides. And anyway, even for a professional,
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it's pretty hard to keep up with this stuff because
there are a lot of peptides. For example, you can
inject yourself with something called GHK copper, which is supposed
to help your skin repair itself so you could look younger,
or you could stab yourself in the hip with some
silanc to reduce anxiety. Allegedly, there's also thimosin for your
immune system. I could keep going on and on about this,
(05:26):
but I'm not even sure that I'm pronouncing this stuff right.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Some kind of say that some of the peptides help
with the depression. Some say that it really helps them
gain muscle. There are some parallels with a body building
world as well, so we'll be these like different subculture
sort of feed into peptides.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
People who take peptides often claim that they're effective and
that they're safe to use because these peptides are naturally
occurring in our bodies. What is a peptide and why
is everybody talking about this all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So a peptide is a short amino acid, which it's
like a smaller protein, if that's a helpful way to
think about it. And these are not new things. These
have existed in our body forever, but they haven't always
been synthesized or been able to be replicated outside the body.
Oxytocin is a pet tide. Insulin is a pet tide,
(06:21):
and I would say pet tide got to kind of
mainstream consciousness with ozepic, the GLP skinny shot drug.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Okay, now we're talking about something that everybody's heard of.
So Ozembic technically was approved for treating diabetes, and we
Govey is the one that's actually FDA approved for treating obesity.
Same molecule, just higher dose in different branding. They're both
part of a peptide drug class called GLP one receptor
agonist without getting two in the weeds. That basically means
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that they can mimic a hormone that we already have
in our bodies called GLP one, which regulates blood sugar levels.
Hence the application for diabetes. Also tells your brain that
you're already full and you don't need to eat anymore,
hence the application for obesity. But then there's the off
label use of just injecting yourself to lose a few pounds,
which allegedly a lot of Hollywood is doing, and apparently
(07:14):
so is Silicon Valley.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
A lot of Bay Area people were taking ozempic like
two years before the rest of the world was like, hey,
get me some of that now, Like, there are benefits
to azempic beyond being skinny. There's gluecose control. There's some
study showing potential benefits on like memory and longevity, and
people are microdosing them, often in order to get specific
(07:38):
benefits they're hoping for.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
But like we said earlier, ozembic is one of the
few consumer facing, government approved peptides that are on the
market in the US.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Apart from glps, the majority of peptides people are using,
there's no way to access that in any legal way
unless you're buying buru material. Most of these pettie, even
when the pharmouth companies are you know, legally giving you,
are manufactured in China.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Chinese dealers have managed to find ways to get off
market peptides into the US. One way is to sell
the peptides is quote unquote research grade. Sometimes they'll even
put a not for human use label on it. So
if you happen to use it on a human, like
say yourself, that's your responsibility. So how does one find
out about these? I mean you just do. You just
(08:28):
google how to buy peptides, and all of a sudden
you're on peptides dot com.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You order them from a website, I mean very sketchy websites.
They're a better website. You might have a doctor in
the US who has kind of done very due diligent,
or you might have a doctor who hasn't. I think
the real thing is nobody knows what they're buying, who
they're buying from. There's a lot of concern about I'm
okay potentially, you know, taking experimental peptides. I'm not okay
(08:55):
with injecting stuff that isn't the experimental pep tides. So
this is when you start getting this sort of network
of telegram groups, of what's app channels where people all
kind of pull their resources. The idea is a sort
of crowdsourced wisdom can at least advance and further than
just advice from somebody on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
What is it that makes it so difficult to obtain
this stuff from a doctor or a pharmacy.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So some of the peptides, like, for instance, a very
popular one EPC one five seven, which stands for Body
Protection Compound, is known to be pretty good helping muscle recovery,
kind of helping after the GIN. This used to be
something you could legally get in the US till around
twenty twenty three. You would need a prescription or a
(09:43):
compounding pharmacy or functional medicine or whatever. In twenty twenty three,
there was a bunch of pepdites that had been previously
distributed that was sort of placed on a watch list
where they were like, we think there may be some
side effects, we're not sure, we still want people to
doing this. And suddenly they were no longer available, which
(10:04):
is reasonable, but you also had a massive amount of
people who had legally taken this, kept taking them because
they'd seen good effects, and then suddenly couldn't access them.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That meant that consumers, including newcomers from the tech world,
suddenly had to source their peptides from somewhere else, and
because they were no longer FDA approved, there was no
straightforward process to in shure the quality or even the
quantity of what you're putting in that syringe.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So with a lot of people, especially the larger groups
who are you know, book buying peptides, they're sending it
to a bunch of different labs. The kind of the
main things they're testing is like, one the quality, are
you getting what you think you're getting? Two the volume,
Because if you think you I don't have a ten
milligram vile, but they've just thrown in twenty milligrams, you're
going to give yourself way too high a dose, and
(10:52):
you can't test it yourself at home. I mean unless
you literally have a lab and are a scientist. You
have to mail away to somebody.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So this stuff is not that easy to get. But
not only are we seeing these gray market workarounds, some
people are using injectables as office perks. More on that
after the break, tell me about peptide Friday.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So Superpower is a sort of longevity AI concierge company.
The idea is that wealthy people have access to concierge
doctors who look at all the science kind of do
this whole personalized medicine and suggest things based on my
body type. They do a lot of blood tests, they
do the on demand MRIs. A lot of this stuff
(11:47):
really isn't accessible to most people, you know, even if
you're considered comfortable. This is on another level. So this
company is trying to sort of democratize access to all
the longevity knowledge through kind of an AI concierge doctor.
The company which very strongly believes in longevity and kind
(12:08):
of talks about how they think they might never have
to die. And then you go to the office and
like with Fridge is like, you know, on this shelf
is like this guy's stack. He has like five thousands
dollars worth of injections a month. And another shelf is
like a different dude stack. He takes two thousand dollars worth.
Among the employees don't have to take stuff, many of
(12:28):
them do and in one of a really interesting, you know,
kind of encourage people to work from the office back
to work kind of things. They have pettipe Fridays where
if you come in on Friday, you get your bagel
and you get your optional peptide shot.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay, I had a lot of friends who were working
in the startup space in like the twenty tens. I
remember the ping pong tables, I remember the Nintendo sixty four's,
I remember the arcade machines. Those are the things that
they used to use to get people to come into work.
Peptime Fridays. Wild, that is a wild perk.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Hey, I mean, you want your pet tide shot, you
got to be in office.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So you you mentioned the price, So hold up two
thousand dollars a month on peptides five thousand dollars a month.
I mean that is double a lot of people's house
note double, a lot of people's rent. That's a lot
of money.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Oh yeah. But I would also say that these guys
who are doing pet tight stacks, so they're not just
doing one or two, They're doing a whole bunch of
different pet tides combined and very regularly. There's the Wolverine stack,
which is like a couple of different pet tides together
that is, you know, based on Wolverine. You know, it's
recovers very quickly. Nothing can hurt him.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
The Wolverine stack. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
But also I would say that a lot of people
I spoke to who do pet tides regularly maybe one
hundred two hundred a month, which you know is not nothing,
but again is like much more reasonable than the pet
tight bros who are taking that volume.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Hold on, have you had any of this stuff? Have
you tried anyth the peptides I have tried.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Some the ones I've tried have been ones given to
me by a docta or by somebody who was being
overseen by adulta. I tried GHKCU. It's a copper peptide
that's meant to be really good for the skin. It
did nothing but give me a really big bruise that
actually it would never have done anything because you were
meant to do it regularly, So doing it once off
(14:28):
was you know, really just to the gram.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Have you talked to anybody in your reporting who has
had a bad side effect from this stuff?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I spoke to one person who kind of overestimated, who
gave themselves two large a dose and they had like
a really bad stomach ache for like a day or so.
But I haven't actually found anyone who really has had
worse side effects than that. I would say the biggest
concern is sepsis, and sepsis again would be from poor application,
(14:58):
not so much from lif poor quality of the drug.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
What happens if you overdose? What happens if you use
too much?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I think like you get atomic ache, you might get
very dehydrated, You might need to go on like a
sort of ivy drip to replace fluids. And this is
generally unless you have any pre existing conditions. Kind of
the worst case scenario.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But keep in mind here that the crowd that Czar
is reporting on, the people in Silicon Valley who are
taking peptides, have a lot of resources at their disposal
to at least reduce the risk of using these off
market peptides that they're taking. Not everyone has that.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I think with some of the kind of the Bay
Area techies who are doing peptides and other experimental things,
many of them are also doing very frequent blood panels.
They are doing dexas scans. They might not have adopt
checking in on them, but they are doing all these
different things to monitor how the new substances they're taken
(16:00):
are affecting their physiology. And you know, somebody who's like, oh, peptides,
I live in Nebraska might not be doing the same thing.
And I think they may be missing something there, because
you know, the blood test doesn't make it safe, but
it does give you like a measured way to track
things that are difficult to track. So I think there's
an element of that that might not be obvious just.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Listening to you talk about this. And I wonder how
people listening to this will feel. I'm kind of getting
the feeling like, oh man, maybe I should be trying
some of these things. Is that a common response.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think it's challenging to talk about it without being
people being intrigued by some of it. I urge people
to be cautious and not just by random shit and
stick needles into themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, that's fruital. Yeah, whether or not they actually deliver
on the promise, peptides are just one part of a
larger trend in Silicon Valley. So why is biohacking getting
so popular and what does that mean for the rest
of us? That's after the break. Silicon Valley for a
(17:14):
while was very stereotyped as being, you know, a bunch
of skinny nerds who wore hoodies, and there was this
other kind of parallel maybe track of things that men
did online, which is, here's how to get big and
huge and go to the gym, and we're gonna watch
MMA and all that sort of thing, and we're gonna
(17:34):
watch sports. And those two didn't really job together. You know,
the skinny computer nerds didn't really like sports, and that
was almost kind of like a badge of honor, like, oh,
I don't like sports. That's for those meatheads, you know,
that's for the jocks. That seems to be kind of dovetailing.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Now it has sort of gone. I don't know even
if it's full circle, but it's just kind of muched.
I think it's maybe the dude equivalent of like I
can have it all, you know, I can have the
the computer science degree, I can have the l LN,
I can have the muscles. In a way where perhaps
you were like, you know, the tropes of nerds versus
jokes or whatever has sort of like faded in a
(18:12):
way because people are like, I can have all of
these different things and still kind of be a complete person.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I mean, I think probably the obvious version of that
would be Mark Zuckerberg saying he was training MMA. I
don't think that was a tipping point, but I think
that was sort of an obvious sign that, Okay, the
nerds are going to the gym. Something has changed.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I think there's you know a portion of people who
are also just doing this to be hotter, optimizing for
attractiveness as well. So if they can get skinnier, if
them muscles can't be bigger. It kind of feeds into
the same train of like optimization. If they optimize their looks,
they optimize the work, they optimize or sleep and these
are all very kind of interrelated, sort of a Zuckerberg
(18:55):
blow up, you know, as maybe the driver for some of.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
This, this obsession with optimization might have some deep roots
in Silicon Valley, but it's starting to spread out into
mainstream culture, and I think there's a pattern here. I mean,
think about it. Wearable devices that track your sleep used
to be weird. Now they're pretty normal. And think back
to our Google Glass episode. Having an always on computer
(19:20):
camera strapped to your face was bizarre, but society starting
to warm up to that idea. Now you've got people
running around in Minnesota wearing the new meta ray bands.
It used to be that the most influential people in
America were musicians or actors in Hollywood, but Silicon Valley
is starting to be another cultural place that people look
up to and want a copy. If a lot of
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people in Silicon Valley are into peptides, now, is it
just a matter of time before the rest of us
are injecting stuff? Also?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, I think so. Really it's not something I would
have said yes too before Zembek, but Ozembic, this global
phenomenon a really normalized injecting yourself with stuff, And that's
not a Silicon Valley thing. That driver of a weight
loss industry, the abess teeth epidemic that has taken the
a deear of injecting yourself from something weird and scary
(20:14):
to something that people are embracing. So yeah, that tracks
with the fact that pep tides are going to spread.
I think going forwards there is going to be a
lot more flexibility. And we have RFK on record saying,
you know, he wants kind of the FDA to stop
being so anti pet tides and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
We're going to end the war at FDA against alternative medicine.
Thank you for on stem cells, warm keylating drugs. We're
on if you want to take an experimental drug, you
can do that.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
That's the US Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Junior on The Ultimate Human podcast with Gary Breca.
And this is kind of RFK Junior's thing. Back before
the election last year, he made a tweet accusing the
FDA of suppressing everything from pet tides to raw milk
to ivermectin. Remember that was that horse deworming pace that
people were trying to take to cure COVID. And he
(21:07):
started that tweet with the sentence quote, FDA's war on
public health is about to end.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So these are all kind of adding up for something
a bigger picture and a bigger sort of rollout or acceptance.
It's going to be a couple of years, and then
I think it will be like, oh, it's you know,
here's my waita beck, here's my pep tie shot.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
As you're telling me about peptides, it sounds nuts that
somebody would just inject themselves on the off chance that
maybe their focus will get a little bit better for
the afternoon. But maybe not. Maybe it isn't so weird.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
We're at the start of something that I think is
really going to change, and we have an administration which
is maybe being friendlier than ever before to this kind
of experimental stuff. So maybe at some point people will
be getting this through woolgreens. It might cost more, but
at least, you know, the supply chain part of it
(22:07):
will be fixed in terms of you know what you're doing.
When I think we're just at the beginning of this, Really.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
If peptides really do hit the mainstream and live up
to the potential that people say is there, the next
question is what the existence of this superhuman drug does
to us as a society. Are we now getting into
yet another permutation of kind of haves and have nots?
And what I mean by that is people who have
(22:35):
access to the money to buy these things, can get
all these benefits where people who don't can't have those
benefits to some extent.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But I would also sort of caveat that with that
prescription drugs are expensive if you don't have insurance. There's
a lot of access and income disparity for a whole
bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Right now, in America, the richest come in the world,
millions of people are still struggling to get access to
decent quality food. It's hard to imagine that we're going
to figure out equal access when it comes to peptides.
Just for example. One of the co founders of that
longevity concierge service, Superpower said in Zara's article, and I'm
quoting here that good health is becoming a status symbol.
(23:20):
And to be clear here I'm not criticizing him. I
think that he's correct. I'd say that being healthy has
been a status symbol, not in the sense of a liu,
a tom bag or a labouobuo. I mean in the
sense that a lot of modern history is us dealing
with the fact that good health is something that only
people with a certain level of status could even afford.
So maybe we're just repeating ourselves here.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I mean, we haven't even told you about pediatric peptides.
This is a kind of a small but growing kind
of area of people who are seeing the benefits of
giving peptides to children. The parents generally have to do
the injecting because I think the youngest child I've heard of,
I think was maybe eight years old. I think this
is wild and I am kind of struggling to kind
(24:05):
of come to terms with some of this. When you're reporting,
you're like, Okay, yeah, adults are doing whatever, but when
you hear children, it sort of takes it to a
very different place.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Wow. I hesitate to even ask what are the benefits
that it gives to a child?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Supposedly, Supposedly the ones that are being used more frequently
on children are for the athletes, you know, the ten
year old runner or swimmer, so they're getting a lot
of a muscle recovery ones.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So who knows. Maybe the next step in peptides is
a world where some kids can run faster and swim
further and get more athletic scholarships, or they can focus
more on homework and get better sleep, or even look
more conventionally attractive by being thinner. Meanwhile, other kids don't
get that stuff. So one of my side hustles in
(24:55):
college was tutoring, and at first I started out with
homework tutoring, but I figured out pretty quick that the
best money is an sat tutoring because rich kids' parents
will pay a lot of money to get their kids
into a good school, and a lot of the time
that's why I was teaching rich kids. Sometimes I'd get
to teach on the poor side of town. I think
the school district had some vouchers or something like that
to bring us in, and the idea was that it
(25:17):
would help level the playing field. But it always worked
out the same way. Those voucher contracts would end halfway
through the year. The company didn't have enough tutors for
those specific schools, And meanwhile, the rich kids always got
the best environment, the most motivated tutors, and the most
supportant They got set up for success. Let's say that
these peptides really work. Let's say they're one hundred percent safe.
(25:40):
Let's say that this is genuinely something that can improve humans' lives. Okay,
does everyone get access to that or do we wait
for it to trickle down to the rest of us,
while people with status get a head start on their superpowers.
Thank you so much for checking out another episode of
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And by the way, there is another weird trend happening
among the tech bros. That Zara told me about sperm racing.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
First way you're looking at it is like guys are
jacking off putting the sperm into a racecourse, and people
through like microscopic cameras, et cetera, like you know, watching
sperm race on a screen as a kind of sport.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Sorry, I'm just of Jenner process this. So is this
like were we talking a live event?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Here?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We are we talking here?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
They sort of broadcast this as a live event, which
was a little disingenuous because the way they did it
is they filmed it. They like took the sperm, they
put it in this sort of racecourse. I think they
died its slightly different colors so it would show up
a certain way in the cinematography. But then they actually,
like at a light event, they showed the video like
people weren't all standing around like a pool table watching
(27:45):
sperm weave around it.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
We are live in Los Angeles for the world's very
first sperm race run by four three.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
W and here we go.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh shack, they're going.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
They're going.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Is the aser the chamber?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
We are Oh my god, oh ho.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And look before anybody asks, I'm just gonna make this
clear now we are not going to do an episode
about sperm racing, so please do not ask. I like
weird subcultures just as much as everybody else, but we
got to draw the line somewhere anyway. That's from us.
Catch on the next one.
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Ruthie's Table 4
For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.