August 28, 2019 • 29 mins
Transformational specialist Koya Webb says we need to release our limiting beliefs in her new book Let Your Fears Make You Fierce.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think fierceness is all about being in love. And
when I say fears, I say fears and love. Unconditional
love for yourself no matter where you are, no matter
what limiting beliefs you have, no matter what you're going through,
no matter what you're leaving behind turned into something else.
You have to be fears and self love. That's number one.
(00:31):
Hello and welcome to the podcast where we talk about
exploring the possibilities of changing in a productive way. I
am Loosa Us and I am jil Herzig and U
On this podcast we talk about lots of things that
help you deal with change. And I know intellectually that
yoga would help me deal with change. And during my
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like huge job of people, I did make some time
for yoga and he no, I didn't hate it. I
didn't hate it. I love debt. So why haven't I
stuck with it? Because you didn't really love it? No,
it did, Lisa, really? Yes, And I know you introduced
your husband to yoga, but you were an early adopter.
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He loves it more than I do. He does it
way more religiously than I do. But you know what
I have help is on the way, Yes, because I
have a present for you. Our guest today is a yogini.
She's an expert in yoga um. She is a holistic
health coach and an international yoga instructor. And she's the
author of a new book called Let Your Fears Make
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You Fierce, How to Turn common obstacles into Seeds for Growth.
Ko Webb is with us today. Thank you so much
for being here. Thank you so much for having me.
So exciting to have you here. Well, Jill needs it
because you are going to get me on track. Yes,
you are going to make yoga a permanent and sustainable
part of my life. I accept the challenge. Thank you.
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Can you tell us how you got in yoga? Yes?
And I was a lot like like I was intimidated
when I started because I was a track athlete. I'm
like running and lifting weights and do it all a
very intense track of super added to the Olympics track
athlete like that was my goal. That's what you were
getting real close. I was getting really close, and I
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was really driven. I was really motivated. This was my
ticket out of the country into a better life. This
was my how I was going to change everything. And
so when I got this injury, I was like, wait,
what and what was it again? Tell I had a
stress fracture on my lower back, fourth labor vertebra. And
if anyone out there has had a back injury, you
know that it affects everything. You can't sit, you can't walk,
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if your back is out of whack. Everything hurts. Life hurts.
Life is painful when you have something wrong with your back.
And to be an athlete and so active and so
into everything and then all of a sudden you're shut
down completely. You feel like life just took a big
whack at you. And you don't guess it's your identity,
because it's your identity and my future and my paycheck
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and my everything, Like all the eggs were in this basket.
So when it happened, I did not have a plan B.
I barely had a plan A. Was like working itself
out every day, and so when I got this injury,
I was crying in class. I was depressed. I was like,
what am I going to do with myself? I don't
know anything else. And even though I made decent grades,
I made decent grades so I could run track. I
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made decent grades so that while I was getting my
track life together, I could potentially run my own business,
but I never saw myself not running track and field.
So one of the teachers, she was like, I'm sorry,
I love you, but you can't cry like I would
just burst out crying in classic. I was very, very,
very emotionally distraught. She sent me to the council. I
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counts like, try yoga, and I was like, when I
thought of yoga, I thought of Buddha. I thought of
worshiping some weird statue and I'm like, that is not me.
I'm Southern Baptists, like, we don't do that, and she's like, no,
it's just stretching. Of course, I went away from home
so I didn't have to consult with anyone about it.
So I'm just like, okay, I'm kicked out of class.
I don't have a choice. So honestly, when I started yoga,
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I didn't have a choice. It was like you do this,
or you do and so I did it. And when
I went in there and saw these people and these posts,
I was like, this is not me. Why am I here?
Like this is another not me situation. And so the
teacher came up to me and she said, just breathe
with me, and she took the steep inhale and I
rolled with it, and I took the steep inhale and
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ex heal with her, and I felt these chills down
my body and I was like, oh, it's like that
felt good, and I I felt this connection that I
hadn't felt before the only other time I felt it
was when I got baptized when I was a little girl.
I remember asking my mom and my dad, what am
I gonna know when I should get baptized, And you're like,
you you'll know, you'll feel and I was like, okay,
and I felt that tingling. I was like, oh, I
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guess that's it, and so I go, and so it was.
It was a real conversion experience. It was a real
conversion I felt like so deep experience. When I felt
the angles, that was my sign and the only sign
I need, I was like, okay, I'm in the right place.
And then after that, the meditation, the calming of my mind,
stopping the critical thoughts, stopping beating myself up getting into
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these excruciatingly painful poses. Thank you for admitting excruciatingly painful.
I mean not just because of your back and dream
because I was on my head you know, the pain
was so deep on my head, I didn't even feel
my back, Like, why was I in headstand? I've never
done this before. I'm running on my feet, I'm in
my head. I feel like my brain is going to
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ooze out of my school? How is this going to
bring me enlightenment? Like? How is this gonna bring me?
Because I was not a believer at the beginning. I
was just like whatever, I'm just gonna do what they
tell me and hope for the best. And let me
tell you, yoga is magical. And I think most people
have a similar story when they start. It's painful, but
guess what life is painful? It changes up all the time.
Life changes up all the time. So the one thing
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that I can say, the reason I love yoga the
most and reason I feel like everyone in the world
should do yoga, is because yoga mirrors life. And if
you can get through yoga class after yoga class, with
all the twists, with all the turns, with all the pain,
and you can get through it and breathe easy and
not beat yourself up, guess what you can do that
in life? All right? So this is thing one for
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me because I think I've always looked at yoga as
an escape from life. You're gonna relax, you're gonna take
this time for yourself. You're gonna feel insulated in a
way from it all. But you're saying, it's actually about
your age, being uncomfortable, being comfortable and uncomfortable pose or position,
so you can carry that equanimity into the rest of
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your day. Okay, perhaps we've gotten to the core of
it within five short minutes. Yes, because I think you're right.
Everyone goes and they think bliss, and then when they
get in this class and it's hard, they're like, I
didn't sign up for this. But the reason the poses
are actually hard is because it's actually preparing you for
meditation and life when it gets hard. The goal is
to sit in your car and traffic like I was
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for hour and a half and be in a state
of bliss, like it's okay, you're gonna get there. What's
meant to be will be, and not beat myself up
on everything that I could have done to make this better.
That's what yoga does, and that's why you have this
portion of it that is a little bit painful, if
you will. And there are many types of yoga as well.
But the type I do is benjansa flow painful, flowy, intense,
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and then meditation. There are some types you can go
and you can just meditate because meditation is the end goal.
The angle is so that you can sit and listen
to your soul, let your soul speak to you for
your next journey in life. So if my end goal
is to have incredible arms, I'm focusing on the wrong thing, right.
I would never say that there's a wrong thing. If
your goal is to have incredible arms, I'd say whole
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plank polls for a really long time. But it's gonna hurt.
Like the more you want it and the more you
try for the more. But that's like life. The more
you want something, the more you go for it. It's
gonna be paying, but it's not gonna be easiest. Sitting
in that comfortable job, not a lot of pay, but
I'm happy and it's relatively stress free. The more that
you want, the harder your journey is going to be.
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And that's just facts, that's just science. If you want
to get somewhere really great, most of the time it's
at the top of the hill. It's not sitting here
on surface level, right, and so the same thing. Yo.
You can have a peaceful yoga practice um and just chill,
but that intensity when you get in the flow and
then chill, you are also going to get other benefits
like detoxification, like stronger body parts. So it is your choice.
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And I believe there's so many types of yoga. If
you haven't found a yoga that you like, you can
talk to me because I'm on this website and we
have like at least twelve different types of yoga because
there's everything is different for everyone. Just like dance, you
have zoomba, then you have salsa, then you have hip hop,
and then you know modern dance. So just like yoga,
yoga has like Kundalini yoga, vinyasa flow yin yoga, hat yoga.
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So it really depends on what you like. You mentioned breathing,
and in yoga you do breathe through the poses, yes,
and through the discomfort and tour and you dissolve into
the breathing, so your muscles relaxed through the breathing. You
talk about using that same technique, that breathing technique to
breathe through your fears. Can you walk us through that idea?
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I want everyone to take a deep inhale and excel
and help bring your shoulders to your ears and excel
relax your shoulders down. So that is one way to
bring yourself to calmness. And I would say anytime your tents,
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do that ten times. And what happens when we're in fear?
And I do believe they're too base emisons in life
and that's fear and love. So fear is synonymous with doubt, worry, comparison,
self judgment, judgment other and love is happiness, alignment, compassion,
things like that. So when you find yourself in fear,
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it's really good to breathe first of all, and think
to yourself, what is this fear trying to teach me?
Because I do believe the world is it not happening
to us? Is happening for us? And I believe when
fear shows up, it's just a different variation of love.
And the way you find the love and fear is
to ask the question, what is this fear trying to
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teach me? So if I have a fear of okay,
I'm gonna be like, what should I do? I breathe
into my why why are you showing up? In the
first place. Is to talk about fear, is to talk
about tough times. So why would you beat yourself up?
Why not just go and talk about exactly what you're experiencing,
which is self judgment, which is beating yourself up, exactly
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what you don't want people to do. So how about
we just stop right now and breathe, and then I
breathe and I let it go. So when we come back,
I want to talk about a little bit more about
this self judgment and treating ourselves up and how we
actually challenge those limiting beliefs. I've been talking about yoga
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and how it's a useful life tool, not just an
exercide of body tool. Um. One of the ways that
I think yoga has greatest benefit is helping us challenger
are limiting beliefs. And you had an experience in Morocco,
if I'm not mistaken, where this was actually put into
play for you, right. I feel like I was so
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scared because people are like, you know, it's gonna be rough,
it's gonna be intense, and the energy was intense, and
I was just like, oh, this was a trip you
took by yourself. I took it was my first solo trip.
So I've done retreats before, I have people come in,
I've been part of retreats and everything, but this was
the first time. I'm just going for me. I'm just
going to dive deep within myself and just process a
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lot of the pain I was having at the time.
And so I was like, you know, I could do
what everyone told me to do, or I could follow
my own internal guidance. And my internal guidance told me
exactly what to do was like go out during the day,
rest to recover, and do your self care at night.
But everyone's all, you need to do this, you have
to do this, you have to do that, and I
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was like, you know what, No, and there is sometimes
we have to decide what is fear and what is
self preservation? What fears do I need to face and
what fears are like actually trying to protect me from
doing something that I shouldn't do. And that's when meditation works.
You should go within to work things out. Really cloud
out the outside voices, cloud out social media, cloud out
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everything outside of yourself that it's telling you who you
need to be, how you need to look, and what
you need to do. Because that's causes self judgment and
self criticism. But if you go into meditation and you
just breathe, I feel we all have spiritual guidance within us,
and I feel like when you breathe and you meditate,
you tap into that. And I personally, since I, since
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this thing happened to me with yoga, have been able
to tap into my own spiritual guidance and he's guided
me out of the roughest, toughest situations. But sometimes when
I ask other people, they don't know because they're not
in this situation. They don't know because they might not
be having the lesson that I'm trying to get out
of this. So I really encourage my students and my
clients to go with them to work things out. Do
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the breath work, do the meditation, sit with yourself, and
go over on your own internal guidance instead of listening
to people from the outside. So limiting beliefs have something
to do with people from the outside, But just help
me understand this. A lot of it is generated from
the inside. So just give me some example of limiting
beliefs and kind of how maybe how you've helped clients
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get find them discover what they are and through them.
I like to turn limiting beliefs into liberating affirmations. So
would you guys like to share a limiting belief limiting belief? Um?
A limiting belief for me that I've been struggling with
is that I'm terrible dealing with technology. Does that? Does
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that sounds I'm terrible at dealing with technology. So when
you know the inevitable which just happened, I feel a
little bit of a rising panic. And then I have to, like,
I actually think I do breathe through it a little
bit good. And then I just start playing and experimenting
and if I can't work it out, I throw myself
on the mercy of the I T Department. But first
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I tried, But you know, first I really try, and
I and I'm getting there, but I feel like it
is something that actually makes it harder for me to
solve things by myself because I believe that I suck
at well. I think you kind of already did it
for yourself, because the first thing you'd say you did
was you breathe. You breathe through that limiting belief. Take
that big inhale and I can figure out this technology
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or me and my team can figure this out. The
more that you say I or me and my team
can figure this out. I can figure out technology, well,
you know, and then it opens you up to removing
that anxiety around it instead of saying I'm not good
at this, and then you feel the stress and you
get tense. You're like, oh, I'm not good at this?
How do I figure this out? And day saying you
know what, I'm getting better and better at figuring out technology.
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So you're not saying I'm great at technology. You're not
like throwing out this big, huge like thing in the universe.
It doesn't that you can say I'm getting better and
better or I'm I'm understanding. Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting good.
I'm trying. You're trying, right, Definitely, I am trying. So
I feel like if anyone you can't fail until you
stop trying. Now. You told a story in your book
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that really resonated with me, UM about your dad, who
great dad, Um, but something that he said to you
when you were singing in your house as as a
little girl that resulted in a limiting belief for you. Absolutely,
I was saying, he no, I'm not and high enough,
and he was just like shut up, and I just
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started bawling because my dad. I'm a daddy's girl. I
love my dad. I value his opinion and he had
just had a long day and he didn't mean anything
by but here I was screaming at the top of
my lungs on karaoke for probably at least an hour,
so he was kind of over it. OK, right, So
it wasn't the song, It wasn't me it was, but
in that moment, I was in my feelings and I
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was having a great time and so hearing my dad
because he never said things like shut up, he never
swear it in front of us, So that was intense
for me, and it closed down my voice. I was like,
my dad doesn't want to hear me sing, and he's
like the biggest person that I tried to impress in
my youth, and I just my voice just got smaller
and smaller and smaller. I didn't even realize it was
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a living belief until I looked back on it and
I thought about it. I was like, ever since then
you stopped singing in the church choir. You're like, you
know what, I don't need to sing. People don't need
to damn it's no big deal, Like I don't sound
that great anyway, and you know, and so I shut
myself off until about two years ago when I was like,
I love singing and I want to write my first song.
I'd always write songs when I get inspired, but I
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never produce anything. I was like, I'm going to produce
my first song. So be Love was developed people get
here and now on Spotify, and it just thank you,
and it's just about everyone wants to be loved, no
matter what we do or we don't do. We just
want to be loved and accepted as we are. And
so it was not just a song. It was something
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that meant a lot to me and have processed life
up until now. And I made a music video to
go along with it. I shot it in one day
and it just felt good. I wasn't really blew up
this limiting belief I blew it up and it had
to competiti falling out of it. So yes, I hope
everyone listening just blows those limiting beliefs out of the water,
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because I do think limiting beliefs are just meant to
be challenged, were meant to conquer these limiting beliefs what
role does gratitude play overcoming these challenges? Gratitude, I feel
is the number one tool. Like after you come out
of meditation, I like to write a grat to journal
because that's part of my manifestation. Because you how do
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I manifest being better at technology? How do I manifest
being a better singer? Well, first, you have to have
gratitude for where you are, like, hey, I can do
this good or I can do this, I can sing
a little bit right. So that gratitude for the gift
that you have really opens up your heart, release some
of that anxiety and you're like, you know what, I
don't have a partner. I'm grateful that I have friends.
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I don't have all the money that I want to have.
I'm grateful that I can buy groceries for the week.
So when you have these goals, and I think the
biggest goals people have are like money, life, partner, and
um just freedom, those are some of the biggest ones
that always come up. And in those things, if you
just remember what are you grateful for that you have now,
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it can remove this doubt or feeling of like I
don't have will get which is more fear, and you
can move into love based So gratitude is the key
for moving yourself from fear based thinking to love based thinking.
And I feel like love of the middle base, the
middle step exactly, it's the biggest middle step, because when
you're in fear and doubt and worry, your vibration is low,
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you don't feel as great. But when you're in gratitude
and compassion, you are really connected to a higher frequency
of manifestation and evolution. And that's what I talked about
a little bit deeper in my book. These different practice meditation, yoga,
shock or work, these things that can lift your vibration
from a lower vibration filling down self doubt, judgment, and
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to a higher vibration of gratitude, compassion, and belief itself great.
When we come back, we're want to talk more about
how that you translate the belief in self into your
inter fierceness. Before the break, we're talking about overcoming limiting beliefs,
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and one of those days is to really get fierce.
According to Corea, with this today, tell us how we
get fierce. And because you are fierce, I mean you
walk in the room and you exude fierceness, and I
want some of that until's already already signed up. So well,
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thank you, ladies, you're so kind. And I think fierceness
is all about being in love. And when I say fearce,
I say fierce and love, unconditional love for yourself, no
matter where you are, no matter what limiting beliefs you have,
no matter what you're going through, no matter what you're
leaving behind. To turn into something else, you have to
be fierce and self love, that's number one. You have
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to love yourself fully where you are, by having gratitude,
by having compassion for your journey, what every you've been
through to get you where you are. You have to
start with self love. That's how you are fierce. And
when you have that self love, I feel like you
can break through boundaries and then I feel like loving
others is the next step. The thing is a lot
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of time you put other people down, or or whether
it be an ex partner or ex job or whatever
we're leaving or leaving behind. Your fierce When you can
have so much compassion for that past job that doesn't
align with you anymore, that past partner, that past friend,
that past pay rate, then not it doesn't work with you,
whatever it was, I am grateful for that and whatever
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it brought my life, thank you. I'm moving on. And
so being fears in love is all about stepping forward
from that space of fear, of doubt, of change and saying,
you know what, I'm grateful for those lessons and turning
those obstacles into seeds for growth. And that's the subtitle
of the book. Everything we have in life is an
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opportunity for growth. And I think growth is that middle
ground because if you're not growing, you're dying, right But
at any time in life, we can choose to grow
through the changes, not let the changes get us down.
So I feel like being furious is again having that
unconditional love for ourselves, unconditional love and compassion for others.
And when you move through life like that, then you
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feel fierce. You're like, nothing's getting me down. This sucked,
that hurt that, and you just kind of talk it
out and then you let it go. But you're not
in this blame game on yourself. You're not in this
blame game among others you like, but you acknowledge that
was painful. You know, I've had assault happened, not whitewashing
any No, no, no, You're like that was painful, that sucked,
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that hurt, letting it go because it doesn't serve me. Yeah,
I think you're about to mention something that is very
affecting that you talk about, which is that you are
the survivor of three different incidents of sexual assault, which
I think unbelievably, you know, I mean, the damage that
that could do, and yet it has not, It has
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not locked you into the box of victim huod, So
how how has that? How if you managed that? I
feel like, you know, especially you know, getting through the
whole me too Movement's just like it sucks and it
has happened ng and I feel like more voices need
to be talking about it and having a conversation so
it can stop happening. And I am a voice in
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the world, and I feel like it's happened multiple times
and all those times are opportunities for me to speak
about it. But at first I didn't. I felt ashamed,
I felt like it was my fault. I felt all
these again self judgments, which is not fierce. And until
I could step out of that and say, hey, that
was not your fault, and these people that assault to
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you were sick and let's just talk about it. Not
only could I heal, but now again help other people's
heal so they don't feel bad about traumatic things. Was
opening up at it that helped you to stactly have
the shame and the self blame. I think you have
to reveal it to heal it. And that's with anything
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assault or other things that happen in life. And me
revealing it allowed me to say, hey, look I don't
have a perfect life, because I think some people look
and they're like, oh, you have life made. You're traveling
the world, You're fulfilling your dreams, like you know. This
lasts all happened a year ago after doing all the
spiritual work. I mean it was with a client that
I never would have thought in a million years would
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ever abuse or affect me. Every every instance was someone
that was closed. It wasn't just out on the street
random someone that I trusted. And so for me, it
was an opportunity to say this happened, it is happening
to four out of five women, and let's talk about that.
Not only to the women, let's talk to the men.
We're in rape culture, you know where people go out
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for drinks and think it's okay to like just hook
up randomly, and it's really detrimental, you know. And then
we talk about our bodies and the value of our
bodies and what happens when the results in pregnancy and
and things like this, and it's all a conversation that
needs to happen so that we can heal on a
cultural level. And I feel like, as women, we are
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a lot of times devalued and we are put down
and we have to look at this and say it
is not okay. And we are fierce and love for
ourselves and loves for others. Let's talk about and let's
communicate how we should be treated. Let's communicate how these
things should go. And I feel like that is my
mission in the world is to communicate love consciousness. How
can we love? So nothing that happens to me is
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going to stop me from that mission. And I feel
like that is being fierce. Part of the way that
you manifest that fierceness, even in spite of all all
of this trauma that you've dealt with, is because you're
so disciplined, and that you take being fierce seriously, and
you say that your discipline actually creates the freedom to
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be fierce. Um, can you share some of that with us?
You have like an insane daily schedule. I was impressed,
thank you. And one of the chapters is there's freedom
and discipline and I really believe nonimperfection. But when you
do have a schedule, it does help you practice more
self care. And I feel like, especially being um a woman,
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as you all are, just fierce women in the world,
we really have to we give a lot, we do
a lot, we really have to make time for self care.
And so discipline is more like putting time for work, family, friends,
but most of all self care first, so that you
can be more balanced, being more harmony in life and
not just spend all your energy doing for others, doing
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for your job, doing for everything, and then you come
home and you're exhausted. I mean, you have a whole
your whole morning routine. What is it? Okay, so one
morning routine. I wake up and it doesn't happen every day.
It didn't happen this morning. Let me just be quite honest.
It's there, so it can happen most of the time,
but it's not realistic to happen every single day, especially
moving at the pace that I move. But that's the thing.
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It's not about perfection, it's about practice. And when I
can practice and get all of this in, I do
feel my best. And when I don't, I do feel
the difference. So I start off with meditation. I just
set up in my bed and just breathe and connect.
And then I do something called Nolly Krea and it's
stomach and a breathing exercise. It tones your abdomen and
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it tones your digestive organs. Go and look at Kuya
Webs Instagram and you'll see this. Yeah, it's the craziest
thing I've ever seen. And I take giving a step
by step. You're giving your organs a massage. Basically, who
doesn't love a massage. We need to get massage at
least once a week. That's definitely in the self care protocol.
So I signed up for that right away. I'm going
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to look for a close one. Right after this attention
in my shoulders. Um, So I meditate, I do the
Noli Korea. Um. I go out in nature, So I
go for a walk um and if it's raining, then
I go inside to my gym. But I love when
I can walk in nature for just a mile. Sometimes
I jog sometimes that there's some sprints in there if
I feel like it, but at least one mile because
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even though I do yoga, I think weight bearing exercise
because I used to be a personal trainer before I
was at Yogini, so I know the benefits of weight
bearing exercise on your muscles and on your body. So walking,
jogging in nature super important. Then I have a glass
of dirty water, which is water, cayenne and lime juice
that clings everything out of your body, detoxifies you. And
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then I do my yoga practice, so anywhere from ten
minutes to two hours, most of the times thirty minutes
though um. And then after that I'm on for my day.
What to me finished off? Usually it takes me anywhere
from two to four hours to do my morning routine.
I usually when I'm in l A, I start around
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six o'clock. So if I ten, you can yeah about
and I'm ready and then I tell I tell my
to a yoga session. I'm gonna I'm gonna do this
for two hours or does it just is it something
you get into and it just you know, you just
keep going until you feel like you've completed. That's nice.
When I have like I'm when I'm at a retreat,
I have all the time in the world. Then I
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can go into a completed I can go for two hours.
But when I'm on book tour, when I'm doing podcasting,
when I'm intr it's like I'm gonna do ten minutes today,
I'm gonna do thirty minutes. I set my timer and
then I felt so there's an intention or all follow
like an online I love doing online and being guided
about other people as well. So um, I go on
Alo Moves and I just flow with like my favorite instructor.
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So it just really depends on how I feel. But
when I'm at a retreat, like I'm going to a
Ruba after New York and I'm gonna flow at my sister,
and that's when I can get those two hour sessions in. Well,
we definitely feel like we're flowing more since having met you.
Thank you so much for being with us today. Thank
you for having me. It's been a pleasure. If you
want to connect with Kaya, you can check around on
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Instagram so you can watch what is it called? It
will change your worldview people, So check her out at
Koya Web. You can also here on her podcast Get
Loved Up with Kyo Web or read her book let
Your Fears Make You Fears. And thank you everyone for
joining us, and thanks to Alicia Haywood, our producer. Until
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next time, everybody,
I think fierceness is all about being in love. And
when I say fears, I say fears and love. Unconditional
love for yourself no matter where you are, no matter
what limiting beliefs you have, no matter what you're going through,
no matter what you're leaving behind turned into something else.
You have to be fears and self love. That's number one.
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Hello and welcome to the podcast where we talk about
exploring the possibilities of changing in a productive way. I
am Loosa Us and I am jil Herzig and U
On this podcast we talk about lots of things that
help you deal with change. And I know intellectually that
yoga would help me deal with change. And during my
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like huge job of people, I did make some time
for yoga and he no, I didn't hate it. I
didn't hate it. I love debt. So why haven't I
stuck with it? Because you didn't really love it? No,
it did, Lisa, really? Yes, And I know you introduced
your husband to yoga, but you were an early adopter.
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He loves it more than I do. He does it
way more religiously than I do. But you know what
I have help is on the way, Yes, because I
have a present for you. Our guest today is a yogini.
She's an expert in yoga um. She is a holistic
health coach and an international yoga instructor. And she's the
author of a new book called Let Your Fears Make
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You Fierce, How to Turn common obstacles into Seeds for Growth.
Ko Webb is with us today. Thank you so much
for being here. Thank you so much for having me.
So exciting to have you here. Well, Jill needs it
because you are going to get me on track. Yes,
you are going to make yoga a permanent and sustainable
part of my life. I accept the challenge. Thank you.
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Can you tell us how you got in yoga? Yes?
And I was a lot like like I was intimidated
when I started because I was a track athlete. I'm
like running and lifting weights and do it all a
very intense track of super added to the Olympics track
athlete like that was my goal. That's what you were
getting real close. I was getting really close, and I
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was really driven. I was really motivated. This was my
ticket out of the country into a better life. This
was my how I was going to change everything. And
so when I got this injury, I was like, wait,
what and what was it again? Tell I had a
stress fracture on my lower back, fourth labor vertebra. And
if anyone out there has had a back injury, you
know that it affects everything. You can't sit, you can't walk,
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if your back is out of whack. Everything hurts. Life hurts.
Life is painful when you have something wrong with your back.
And to be an athlete and so active and so
into everything and then all of a sudden you're shut
down completely. You feel like life just took a big
whack at you. And you don't guess it's your identity,
because it's your identity and my future and my paycheck
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and my everything, Like all the eggs were in this basket.
So when it happened, I did not have a plan B.
I barely had a plan A. Was like working itself
out every day, and so when I got this injury,
I was crying in class. I was depressed. I was like,
what am I going to do with myself? I don't
know anything else. And even though I made decent grades,
I made decent grades so I could run track. I
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made decent grades so that while I was getting my
track life together, I could potentially run my own business,
but I never saw myself not running track and field.
So one of the teachers, she was like, I'm sorry,
I love you, but you can't cry like I would
just burst out crying in classic. I was very, very,
very emotionally distraught. She sent me to the council. I
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counts like, try yoga, and I was like, when I
thought of yoga, I thought of Buddha. I thought of
worshiping some weird statue and I'm like, that is not me.
I'm Southern Baptists, like, we don't do that, and she's like, no,
it's just stretching. Of course, I went away from home
so I didn't have to consult with anyone about it.
So I'm just like, okay, I'm kicked out of class.
I don't have a choice. So honestly, when I started yoga,
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I didn't have a choice. It was like you do this,
or you do and so I did it. And when
I went in there and saw these people and these posts,
I was like, this is not me. Why am I here?
Like this is another not me situation. And so the
teacher came up to me and she said, just breathe
with me, and she took the steep inhale and I
rolled with it, and I took the steep inhale and
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ex heal with her, and I felt these chills down
my body and I was like, oh, it's like that
felt good, and I I felt this connection that I
hadn't felt before the only other time I felt it
was when I got baptized when I was a little girl.
I remember asking my mom and my dad, what am
I gonna know when I should get baptized, And you're like,
you you'll know, you'll feel and I was like, okay,
and I felt that tingling. I was like, oh, I
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guess that's it, and so I go, and so it was.
It was a real conversion experience. It was a real
conversion I felt like so deep experience. When I felt
the angles, that was my sign and the only sign
I need, I was like, okay, I'm in the right place.
And then after that, the meditation, the calming of my mind,
stopping the critical thoughts, stopping beating myself up getting into
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these excruciatingly painful poses. Thank you for admitting excruciatingly painful.
I mean not just because of your back and dream
because I was on my head you know, the pain
was so deep on my head, I didn't even feel
my back, Like, why was I in headstand? I've never
done this before. I'm running on my feet, I'm in
my head. I feel like my brain is going to
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ooze out of my school? How is this going to
bring me enlightenment? Like? How is this gonna bring me?
Because I was not a believer at the beginning. I
was just like whatever, I'm just gonna do what they
tell me and hope for the best. And let me
tell you, yoga is magical. And I think most people
have a similar story when they start. It's painful, but
guess what life is painful? It changes up all the time.
Life changes up all the time. So the one thing
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that I can say, the reason I love yoga the
most and reason I feel like everyone in the world
should do yoga, is because yoga mirrors life. And if
you can get through yoga class after yoga class, with
all the twists, with all the turns, with all the pain,
and you can get through it and breathe easy and
not beat yourself up, guess what you can do that
in life? All right? So this is thing one for
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me because I think I've always looked at yoga as
an escape from life. You're gonna relax, you're gonna take
this time for yourself. You're gonna feel insulated in a
way from it all. But you're saying, it's actually about
your age, being uncomfortable, being comfortable and uncomfortable pose or position,
so you can carry that equanimity into the rest of
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your day. Okay, perhaps we've gotten to the core of
it within five short minutes. Yes, because I think you're right.
Everyone goes and they think bliss, and then when they
get in this class and it's hard, they're like, I
didn't sign up for this. But the reason the poses
are actually hard is because it's actually preparing you for
meditation and life when it gets hard. The goal is
to sit in your car and traffic like I was
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for hour and a half and be in a state
of bliss, like it's okay, you're gonna get there. What's
meant to be will be, and not beat myself up
on everything that I could have done to make this better.
That's what yoga does, and that's why you have this
portion of it that is a little bit painful, if
you will. And there are many types of yoga as well.
But the type I do is benjansa flow painful, flowy, intense,
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and then meditation. There are some types you can go
and you can just meditate because meditation is the end goal.
The angle is so that you can sit and listen
to your soul, let your soul speak to you for
your next journey in life. So if my end goal
is to have incredible arms, I'm focusing on the wrong thing, right.
I would never say that there's a wrong thing. If
your goal is to have incredible arms, I'd say whole
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plank polls for a really long time. But it's gonna hurt.
Like the more you want it and the more you
try for the more. But that's like life. The more
you want something, the more you go for it. It's
gonna be paying, but it's not gonna be easiest. Sitting
in that comfortable job, not a lot of pay, but
I'm happy and it's relatively stress free. The more that
you want, the harder your journey is going to be.
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And that's just facts, that's just science. If you want
to get somewhere really great, most of the time it's
at the top of the hill. It's not sitting here
on surface level, right, and so the same thing. Yo.
You can have a peaceful yoga practice um and just chill,
but that intensity when you get in the flow and
then chill, you are also going to get other benefits
like detoxification, like stronger body parts. So it is your choice.
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And I believe there's so many types of yoga. If
you haven't found a yoga that you like, you can
talk to me because I'm on this website and we
have like at least twelve different types of yoga because
there's everything is different for everyone. Just like dance, you
have zoomba, then you have salsa, then you have hip hop,
and then you know modern dance. So just like yoga,
yoga has like Kundalini yoga, vinyasa flow yin yoga, hat yoga.
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So it really depends on what you like. You mentioned breathing,
and in yoga you do breathe through the poses, yes,
and through the discomfort and tour and you dissolve into
the breathing, so your muscles relaxed through the breathing. You
talk about using that same technique, that breathing technique to
breathe through your fears. Can you walk us through that idea?
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I want everyone to take a deep inhale and excel
and help bring your shoulders to your ears and excel
relax your shoulders down. So that is one way to
bring yourself to calmness. And I would say anytime your tents,
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do that ten times. And what happens when we're in fear?
And I do believe they're too base emisons in life
and that's fear and love. So fear is synonymous with doubt, worry, comparison,
self judgment, judgment other and love is happiness, alignment, compassion,
things like that. So when you find yourself in fear,
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it's really good to breathe first of all, and think
to yourself, what is this fear trying to teach me?
Because I do believe the world is it not happening
to us? Is happening for us? And I believe when
fear shows up, it's just a different variation of love.
And the way you find the love and fear is
to ask the question, what is this fear trying to
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teach me? So if I have a fear of okay,
I'm gonna be like, what should I do? I breathe
into my why why are you showing up? In the
first place. Is to talk about fear, is to talk
about tough times. So why would you beat yourself up?
Why not just go and talk about exactly what you're experiencing,
which is self judgment, which is beating yourself up, exactly
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what you don't want people to do. So how about
we just stop right now and breathe, and then I
breathe and I let it go. So when we come back,
I want to talk about a little bit more about
this self judgment and treating ourselves up and how we
actually challenge those limiting beliefs. I've been talking about yoga
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and how it's a useful life tool, not just an
exercide of body tool. Um. One of the ways that
I think yoga has greatest benefit is helping us challenger
are limiting beliefs. And you had an experience in Morocco,
if I'm not mistaken, where this was actually put into
play for you, right. I feel like I was so
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scared because people are like, you know, it's gonna be rough,
it's gonna be intense, and the energy was intense, and
I was just like, oh, this was a trip you
took by yourself. I took it was my first solo trip.
So I've done retreats before, I have people come in,
I've been part of retreats and everything, but this was
the first time. I'm just going for me. I'm just
going to dive deep within myself and just process a
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lot of the pain I was having at the time.
And so I was like, you know, I could do
what everyone told me to do, or I could follow
my own internal guidance. And my internal guidance told me
exactly what to do was like go out during the day,
rest to recover, and do your self care at night.
But everyone's all, you need to do this, you have
to do this, you have to do that, and I
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was like, you know what, No, and there is sometimes
we have to decide what is fear and what is
self preservation? What fears do I need to face and
what fears are like actually trying to protect me from
doing something that I shouldn't do. And that's when meditation works.
You should go within to work things out. Really cloud
out the outside voices, cloud out social media, cloud out
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everything outside of yourself that it's telling you who you
need to be, how you need to look, and what
you need to do. Because that's causes self judgment and
self criticism. But if you go into meditation and you
just breathe, I feel we all have spiritual guidance within us,
and I feel like when you breathe and you meditate,
you tap into that. And I personally, since I, since
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this thing happened to me with yoga, have been able
to tap into my own spiritual guidance and he's guided
me out of the roughest, toughest situations. But sometimes when
I ask other people, they don't know because they're not
in this situation. They don't know because they might not
be having the lesson that I'm trying to get out
of this. So I really encourage my students and my
clients to go with them to work things out. Do
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the breath work, do the meditation, sit with yourself, and
go over on your own internal guidance instead of listening
to people from the outside. So limiting beliefs have something
to do with people from the outside, But just help
me understand this. A lot of it is generated from
the inside. So just give me some example of limiting
beliefs and kind of how maybe how you've helped clients
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get find them discover what they are and through them.
I like to turn limiting beliefs into liberating affirmations. So
would you guys like to share a limiting belief limiting belief? Um?
A limiting belief for me that I've been struggling with
is that I'm terrible dealing with technology. Does that? Does
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that sounds I'm terrible at dealing with technology. So when
you know the inevitable which just happened, I feel a
little bit of a rising panic. And then I have to, like,
I actually think I do breathe through it a little
bit good. And then I just start playing and experimenting
and if I can't work it out, I throw myself
on the mercy of the I T Department. But first
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I tried, But you know, first I really try, and
I and I'm getting there, but I feel like it
is something that actually makes it harder for me to
solve things by myself because I believe that I suck
at well. I think you kind of already did it
for yourself, because the first thing you'd say you did
was you breathe. You breathe through that limiting belief. Take
that big inhale and I can figure out this technology
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or me and my team can figure this out. The
more that you say I or me and my team
can figure this out. I can figure out technology, well,
you know, and then it opens you up to removing
that anxiety around it instead of saying I'm not good
at this, and then you feel the stress and you
get tense. You're like, oh, I'm not good at this?
How do I figure this out? And day saying you
know what, I'm getting better and better at figuring out technology.
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So you're not saying I'm great at technology. You're not
like throwing out this big, huge like thing in the universe.
It doesn't that you can say I'm getting better and
better or I'm I'm understanding. Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting good.
I'm trying. You're trying, right, Definitely, I am trying. So
I feel like if anyone you can't fail until you
stop trying. Now. You told a story in your book
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that really resonated with me, UM about your dad, who
great dad, Um, but something that he said to you
when you were singing in your house as as a
little girl that resulted in a limiting belief for you. Absolutely,
I was saying, he no, I'm not and high enough,
and he was just like shut up, and I just
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started bawling because my dad. I'm a daddy's girl. I
love my dad. I value his opinion and he had
just had a long day and he didn't mean anything
by but here I was screaming at the top of
my lungs on karaoke for probably at least an hour,
so he was kind of over it. OK, right, So
it wasn't the song, It wasn't me it was, but
in that moment, I was in my feelings and I
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was having a great time and so hearing my dad
because he never said things like shut up, he never
swear it in front of us, So that was intense
for me, and it closed down my voice. I was like,
my dad doesn't want to hear me sing, and he's
like the biggest person that I tried to impress in
my youth, and I just my voice just got smaller
and smaller and smaller. I didn't even realize it was
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a living belief until I looked back on it and
I thought about it. I was like, ever since then
you stopped singing in the church choir. You're like, you
know what, I don't need to sing. People don't need
to damn it's no big deal, Like I don't sound
that great anyway, and you know, and so I shut
myself off until about two years ago when I was like,
I love singing and I want to write my first song.
I'd always write songs when I get inspired, but I
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never produce anything. I was like, I'm going to produce
my first song. So be Love was developed people get
here and now on Spotify, and it just thank you,
and it's just about everyone wants to be loved, no
matter what we do or we don't do. We just
want to be loved and accepted as we are. And
so it was not just a song. It was something
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that meant a lot to me and have processed life
up until now. And I made a music video to
go along with it. I shot it in one day
and it just felt good. I wasn't really blew up
this limiting belief I blew it up and it had
to competiti falling out of it. So yes, I hope
everyone listening just blows those limiting beliefs out of the water,
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because I do think limiting beliefs are just meant to
be challenged, were meant to conquer these limiting beliefs what
role does gratitude play overcoming these challenges? Gratitude, I feel
is the number one tool. Like after you come out
of meditation, I like to write a grat to journal
because that's part of my manifestation. Because you how do
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I manifest being better at technology? How do I manifest
being a better singer? Well, first, you have to have
gratitude for where you are, like, hey, I can do
this good or I can do this, I can sing
a little bit right. So that gratitude for the gift
that you have really opens up your heart, release some
of that anxiety and you're like, you know what, I
don't have a partner. I'm grateful that I have friends.
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I don't have all the money that I want to have.
I'm grateful that I can buy groceries for the week.
So when you have these goals, and I think the
biggest goals people have are like money, life, partner, and
um just freedom, those are some of the biggest ones
that always come up. And in those things, if you
just remember what are you grateful for that you have now,
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it can remove this doubt or feeling of like I
don't have will get which is more fear, and you
can move into love based So gratitude is the key
for moving yourself from fear based thinking to love based thinking.
And I feel like love of the middle base, the
middle step exactly, it's the biggest middle step, because when
you're in fear and doubt and worry, your vibration is low,
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you don't feel as great. But when you're in gratitude
and compassion, you are really connected to a higher frequency
of manifestation and evolution. And that's what I talked about
a little bit deeper in my book. These different practice meditation, yoga,
shock or work, these things that can lift your vibration
from a lower vibration filling down self doubt, judgment, and
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to a higher vibration of gratitude, compassion, and belief itself great.
When we come back, we're want to talk more about
how that you translate the belief in self into your
inter fierceness. Before the break, we're talking about overcoming limiting beliefs,
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and one of those days is to really get fierce.
According to Corea, with this today, tell us how we
get fierce. And because you are fierce, I mean you
walk in the room and you exude fierceness, and I
want some of that until's already already signed up. So well,
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thank you, ladies, you're so kind. And I think fierceness
is all about being in love. And when I say fearce,
I say fierce and love, unconditional love for yourself, no
matter where you are, no matter what limiting beliefs you have,
no matter what you're going through, no matter what you're
leaving behind. To turn into something else, you have to
be fierce and self love, that's number one. You have
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to love yourself fully where you are, by having gratitude,
by having compassion for your journey, what every you've been
through to get you where you are. You have to
start with self love. That's how you are fierce. And
when you have that self love, I feel like you
can break through boundaries and then I feel like loving
others is the next step. The thing is a lot
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of time you put other people down, or or whether
it be an ex partner or ex job or whatever
we're leaving or leaving behind. Your fierce When you can
have so much compassion for that past job that doesn't
align with you anymore, that past partner, that past friend,
that past pay rate, then not it doesn't work with you,
whatever it was, I am grateful for that and whatever
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it brought my life, thank you. I'm moving on. And
so being fears in love is all about stepping forward
from that space of fear, of doubt, of change and saying,
you know what, I'm grateful for those lessons and turning
those obstacles into seeds for growth. And that's the subtitle
of the book. Everything we have in life is an
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opportunity for growth. And I think growth is that middle
ground because if you're not growing, you're dying, right But
at any time in life, we can choose to grow
through the changes, not let the changes get us down.
So I feel like being furious is again having that
unconditional love for ourselves, unconditional love and compassion for others.
And when you move through life like that, then you
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feel fierce. You're like, nothing's getting me down. This sucked,
that hurt that, and you just kind of talk it
out and then you let it go. But you're not
in this blame game on yourself. You're not in this
blame game among others you like, but you acknowledge that
was painful. You know, I've had assault happened, not whitewashing
any No, no, no, You're like that was painful, that sucked,
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that hurt, letting it go because it doesn't serve me. Yeah,
I think you're about to mention something that is very
affecting that you talk about, which is that you are
the survivor of three different incidents of sexual assault, which
I think unbelievably, you know, I mean, the damage that
that could do, and yet it has not, It has
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not locked you into the box of victim huod, So
how how has that? How if you managed that? I
feel like, you know, especially you know, getting through the
whole me too Movement's just like it sucks and it
has happened ng and I feel like more voices need
to be talking about it and having a conversation so
it can stop happening. And I am a voice in
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the world, and I feel like it's happened multiple times
and all those times are opportunities for me to speak
about it. But at first I didn't. I felt ashamed,
I felt like it was my fault. I felt all
these again self judgments, which is not fierce. And until
I could step out of that and say, hey, that
was not your fault, and these people that assault to
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you were sick and let's just talk about it. Not
only could I heal, but now again help other people's
heal so they don't feel bad about traumatic things. Was
opening up at it that helped you to stactly have
the shame and the self blame. I think you have
to reveal it to heal it. And that's with anything
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assault or other things that happen in life. And me
revealing it allowed me to say, hey, look I don't
have a perfect life, because I think some people look
and they're like, oh, you have life made. You're traveling
the world, You're fulfilling your dreams, like you know. This
lasts all happened a year ago after doing all the
spiritual work. I mean it was with a client that
I never would have thought in a million years would
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ever abuse or affect me. Every every instance was someone
that was closed. It wasn't just out on the street
random someone that I trusted. And so for me, it
was an opportunity to say this happened, it is happening
to four out of five women, and let's talk about that.
Not only to the women, let's talk to the men.
We're in rape culture, you know where people go out
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for drinks and think it's okay to like just hook
up randomly, and it's really detrimental, you know. And then
we talk about our bodies and the value of our
bodies and what happens when the results in pregnancy and
and things like this, and it's all a conversation that
needs to happen so that we can heal on a
cultural level. And I feel like, as women, we are
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a lot of times devalued and we are put down
and we have to look at this and say it
is not okay. And we are fierce and love for
ourselves and loves for others. Let's talk about and let's
communicate how we should be treated. Let's communicate how these
things should go. And I feel like that is my
mission in the world is to communicate love consciousness. How
can we love? So nothing that happens to me is
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going to stop me from that mission. And I feel
like that is being fierce. Part of the way that
you manifest that fierceness, even in spite of all all
of this trauma that you've dealt with, is because you're
so disciplined, and that you take being fierce seriously, and
you say that your discipline actually creates the freedom to
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be fierce. Um, can you share some of that with us?
You have like an insane daily schedule. I was impressed,
thank you. And one of the chapters is there's freedom
and discipline and I really believe nonimperfection. But when you
do have a schedule, it does help you practice more
self care. And I feel like, especially being um a woman,
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as you all are, just fierce women in the world,
we really have to we give a lot, we do
a lot, we really have to make time for self care.
And so discipline is more like putting time for work, family, friends,
but most of all self care first, so that you
can be more balanced, being more harmony in life and
not just spend all your energy doing for others, doing
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for your job, doing for everything, and then you come
home and you're exhausted. I mean, you have a whole
your whole morning routine. What is it? Okay, so one
morning routine. I wake up and it doesn't happen every day.
It didn't happen this morning. Let me just be quite honest.
It's there, so it can happen most of the time,
but it's not realistic to happen every single day, especially
moving at the pace that I move. But that's the thing.
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It's not about perfection, it's about practice. And when I
can practice and get all of this in, I do
feel my best. And when I don't, I do feel
the difference. So I start off with meditation. I just
set up in my bed and just breathe and connect.
And then I do something called Nolly Krea and it's
stomach and a breathing exercise. It tones your abdomen and
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it tones your digestive organs. Go and look at Kuya
Webs Instagram and you'll see this. Yeah, it's the craziest
thing I've ever seen. And I take giving a step
by step. You're giving your organs a massage. Basically, who
doesn't love a massage. We need to get massage at
least once a week. That's definitely in the self care protocol.
So I signed up for that right away. I'm going
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to look for a close one. Right after this attention
in my shoulders. Um, So I meditate, I do the
Noli Korea. Um. I go out in nature, So I
go for a walk um and if it's raining, then
I go inside to my gym. But I love when
I can walk in nature for just a mile. Sometimes
I jog sometimes that there's some sprints in there if
I feel like it, but at least one mile because
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even though I do yoga, I think weight bearing exercise
because I used to be a personal trainer before I
was at Yogini, so I know the benefits of weight
bearing exercise on your muscles and on your body. So walking,
jogging in nature super important. Then I have a glass
of dirty water, which is water, cayenne and lime juice
that clings everything out of your body, detoxifies you. And
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then I do my yoga practice, so anywhere from ten
minutes to two hours, most of the times thirty minutes
though um. And then after that I'm on for my day.
What to me finished off? Usually it takes me anywhere
from two to four hours to do my morning routine.
I usually when I'm in l A, I start around
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six o'clock. So if I ten, you can yeah about
and I'm ready and then I tell I tell my
to a yoga session. I'm gonna I'm gonna do this
for two hours or does it just is it something
you get into and it just you know, you just
keep going until you feel like you've completed. That's nice.
When I have like I'm when I'm at a retreat,
I have all the time in the world. Then I
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can go into a completed I can go for two hours.
But when I'm on book tour, when I'm doing podcasting,
when I'm intr it's like I'm gonna do ten minutes today,
I'm gonna do thirty minutes. I set my timer and
then I felt so there's an intention or all follow
like an online I love doing online and being guided
about other people as well. So um, I go on
Alo Moves and I just flow with like my favorite instructor.
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So it just really depends on how I feel. But
when I'm at a retreat, like I'm going to a
Ruba after New York and I'm gonna flow at my sister,
and that's when I can get those two hour sessions in. Well,
we definitely feel like we're flowing more since having met you.
Thank you so much for being with us today. Thank
you for having me. It's been a pleasure. If you
want to connect with Kaya, you can check around on
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Instagram so you can watch what is it called? It
will change your worldview people, So check her out at
Koya Web. You can also here on her podcast Get
Loved Up with Kyo Web or read her book let
Your Fears Make You Fears. And thank you everyone for
joining us, and thanks to Alicia Haywood, our producer. Until
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next time, everybody,
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