August 21, 2019 • 38 mins
Intimacy and relationship expert Michaela Boehm teaches us how her Non-Linear Movement Method can dissolve our barriers to embodiment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're given, you know, an enormous amount of sensory perception
that can allow us to have incredible pleasure. There is
so much available And I'm not only talking sexual pleasure.
I'm just talking sensual aliveness and engaging with smell and
touch and taste and you know, I mean, there is
so much that we have available to us that we
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are not using to our fullest. Hello, and welcome to
our podcast, a place where we discuss the ways in
which we are growing in evolving hopefully right. Yes, and
(00:43):
I am chill her sake, and I think one of
the interesting things that comes up in conversations when we're podcasting,
but also just in our friendship and in our life.
You bring it around to sex. Girl, you do? Oh
is we just actually we just had this conversation a
few minutes ago with Alicia, our producer, and she's like,
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you only want to talk to to guess who talk
about sex or God? And that's that's like, what else
is there? I'm seriously, it's true, it's true, and everything
else pours me. I think it's because you are a
very sexually connected person. Welcome to our Oversharing podcast. But
I think that I buy sens us this about you,
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and I also feel like you kind of naturally want
to get to the honest place with people, and it's
it's a shortcut right to an honest place. Some spirituality
is as well. Sometimes it can be a shortcut to
align place to but it's just anyway, it's my it's
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my jam, which is why I'm so excited for our
guest today. We are talking to Michaelabom, the Queen of
Sex and she's intimacy and Relationships and her most recent book,
The Wild Woman's Way Unlock your Full Potential for pleasure,
power and fulfillment. Thank you so much for being with
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us today. We are so on her dephew. Oh, it's
my pleasure. And I like the idea. Did you talk
about six all the time. I don't actually talk about it,
it's just what I'm just thinking about it. And she's
just it's just a very natural way. Anytime the door
is just even slightly open, slightly cracked to the subject
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of sex, Lisa, We'll walk right through. It talks just
the clean of the double entange. But but I do
think because it's something bigger, I do think it's a
way to the transcendent and you are an expert in
tantra um as well as being a psychotherapist, And so
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for me, it's like, on the one respect, I do
I think it's common and more conversations and what I
think about. But I think because it's so much bigger
and deeper than we even realize in our society. Let's
talk first about how disconnected we've become from our bodies
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and our sexuality and and then we'll go go deeper
into that part. But how how did we lose how
do we lose that connection? Well? I think you know,
there's there's some very big considerations and I agree with
you with the uh you know, the the body being
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a part of the sacred and the transcendent and uh
an offering and the creative spark and life force and
with that of course sex and procreation and and creativity.
You don't have to have a baby to be wildly
creative as as a human being, right, Um, But it
all comes from the same place, and that place is
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the body. And um, the body really is a premier
decision making tool, is what I sometimes called called the body, right,
meaning we have so much wisdom in the body, which
the body was built to make us survive. And so
we have an enormous amount of sensory data and and
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sensory perception and power in the body that we're no
longer using. And so one of the reasons, and and
as you're saying, we're very disconnected. So there's two things
that happened. There is um lack of use, and then
there is also disconnection, and I'll talk about both of them.
So lack of use is has to do with the
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fact that, of course nowadays our lives are no longer
such that we're in physical survival for most of us.
Right in the west, as we're sitting here, um, we're
not wondering where the evening meal you speak from, or
or hunted from, or things of that nature. Right, the
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neighboring tribes are not right at the door. At the
moment the door, the whole food swings wide open and
it's all right there, and so mide open and most
of us can get food delivered and so on and
so on. Right, so there is there's not so much
imminent threat to one survival. And also the way we
live now, um, and and the way life is set up,
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a lot of the faculties that kept us alive for
millions of years. Essentially are no longer needed as much,
and so our spidy senses so to speak, are not
used and trained and worked with as much as in
the olden days, so to speak. Right, So there's there's
that whole area. Um. Then the other area, though, is
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that we always have access to the signals our body
sense because our body is always scanning and always aware
of our surroundings and always alive with sensory exchange. Right.
And so when we talk about sex and relationship and
the body, we're talking about an engagement with the body
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via the senses with then another human being. And so
one of the main things and and this answers your
question as to why are we so disconnected is that, Um,
we're human beings and we are subject to overload. So
we can only perceive so much before we have to
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shut down and and and kind of clench down input
because we only can deal with so much at once.
And we live in a time, particularly now, with all
the social media and cell phones and electronic input and
all of that, where just the sheer volume of sound
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and light and input and information coming and going is
such that there isn't much space for my jails. Really,
you had a phrase in your book that really stuck
in my mind, which is, our bodies are stuck in
go yes, stuck in mode. And and can you talk
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a little bit more about that because I immediately related
to it. I actually felt it in my body. I thought,
that's right, that that's what the sensation is. But um,
intellectually I still I still want more on that. Yes,
So so, um, we're overwhelmed, which means we have to
shut down the signals of our body sins right, that's
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number one. So we don't actually notice how disembodied we
are because we can here where answering that email and
returning that text and returning that snapchat, and it's right,
and it's loud. And then furthermore, you're sitting, so your
body is parked. When you sit, your body isn't supposed
to be active, right, so so you essentially park yourself.
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And what's now active is from the neck up, in
spite the way we have neck and shoulder and jaw
and tension issues, headaches, all of those kinds of things,
because all the energy goes from the body up where
it's needed. Type type type text text taket look, look
look talk talk talk, right, So that's the that's the
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kind of overwhelmed part, and then go is essentially the
outcome of that, where you focus externally to get things done,
and there's a lot of things to get done, a
lot more things than ever. I don't know how you
grew up, but I grew up in fairly rural Austria
where uh, at eleven o'clock on Saturday morning, every shop
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closed and didn't open back up till Monday morning, and
people actually rested on the weekend. You couldn't get anything
done after six in the evening and after eleven on Saturday,
and so actually there was a work life balance, so
to speak. That's no longer the case. Most people work
full on and then they do their laundry, their banking,
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there whatever, right at night, and then they watch TV
and so on and so on and so on. So
the go, go, go, go go is the predominant mode
we're in. But as women it's different. For men they
also suffer, right, but as women, because we are built
to actually grow humans and our bodies um a lot
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more emphasis in the body, for you know, the survival
and and and procreation aspects is down in the lower body,
in the hips and the sighs and the genitals. That
has to be blood flow, There has to be aliveness.
There's a lot more happening there. And of course hormones
do that too. So UM, when we squeeze up and forward,
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up and forward, we lose our body sensation and we
lose our pleasure and um, go is very addictive right
here and go. It's like you're revving and that rev
needs to go somewhere. And then stopping from go into
flow what what I call it in that case, which
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is the part of us that connects to our body
that is essentially alive, sexually alive, creatively prolific, is very
very difficult because you have to reverse the flow of
energy from up and out and forward too, in and
down into kind of swirling, undulating, nonlinear kind of engagement,
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and that's very hard for most of us. When we
come back, I want to delve deeper into this idea
and maybe you could share some techniques on how it
can go from go to flow. Before the break, we
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were talking about getting stuck and go that place where
it's all externally focused energy. Can you share with us
how we get into flow, which is what you were recommending, yes,
And the good news is we're naturally built for flow.
So for most of us, it's much harder to achieve
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and maintain strong go than it is to go back
into flow because flow is kind of where we live,
and it's in a certain way our birthright as its pleasure, uh,
you know, because we're built for that full bodied engagement,
and that's what also keeps us alive as a species, right,
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because that's how we birth babies and all those good things. So, um,
there is a few really really simple techniques. And you know,
it's really funny because you were talking about things I
mentioned in the book. One of my real desires in
the book was to have a whole pack of super
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simple exercises that you can do in a few minutes.
Because what, of course, is so insane about being in
go is that when you now have to do something
to get from go to flow, that's still doing it
is it's a catch twenty two. So, um, what I
do for myself, and we've talked about this before we
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get started with the show, and I traveled an enormous
amount of time, so all these things are essentially road tested,
you know, very very extensively road tested. One of the
easiest and quickest ways to get back into flow is
to actually move your lower body. All right, so give
me help our listeners. It's this is one of those
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moments where it's a non visual medium. I will help us,
help them, help me. See what we're doing here? Is
this like a bell? Can you do it? Wiggling around
in my chair to me at all? I was saying
to Liza, I don't even have hips, so I'm not. Well,
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yes you do, and yes you can use it, and
what you just did would be a good way. So
I'll give you three ways to do it. Um. So
if you see that and you really can't get up
like on an airplane or you in a meeting and
things are starting to get really really stuck, you can
do exactly what you did. Is you can kind of
do a little bit of a weak goal from right
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to left of your hips, or do like little hip
circles in your chair and of playing everyone we are
fingerating and wingling yes and so and so. The The
the interesting thing about that is that it doesn't take much, right,
So all you really need to do is feel your
size and feel your hips and feel your lower body,
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and the energy will go where the attention goes. That's
how it is. That's how it isn't a body. So
if you can do better than wiggling in your chair,
which is preferable, like let's say, at the end of
the day or before a date or before you want
to engage in a some kind of um embodied exploration,
you'll just stand. You can put a piece of music
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on for this or you know or not, and you
put your feet hip withs apart and you just start
making hip circles as if you had an imaginary hula hoop. Right,
so you can say, our producer Alicia doing a little
wiggle in her chear right now, everyone's wiggling here, okay.
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So you start with hip circles, and then you can
do figure eights. If you want to be very creative,
you can write your name with your hips or you know,
any which way, and you just keep your hips moving
while bending your knees just a tiny little bit. So
you don't want to do that with your knees hyper extended,
of course, but also if you bend the knees a bit,
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the size get activated, and that activation of the size
really brings the energy down and it's so simple. Um.
And you know, I used to teach this in boardrooms
and and all kinds of places where people really are
not down with with hip circles to be a fly
on the wall and the board drive. And you're getting
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too you're saying, you're saying to the guys in the room, like,
shake it well with the guy with the guys. When
I'm working just with guys, were often do bouncing. This
is the other thing you can do if you, for
whatever reason, don't feel comfortable with hip circles, or you're
wearing a pencil skirt or something like that, you can
you can just have feet hip with apart and then
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put your hands on your hips and then or let
them hang by your side. It's up to you. And
then what you do is you just bounce up and
down by bending and straightening the knees and Um, what
you can imagine is that you're bouncing all the tension
from the head and the shoulders and the neck down
and it kind of by each bounce, it goes a
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little bit further down and it kind of falls off
the bottom. And what do you do when a little
inner voice says, Jill, you look like an idiot? What
do you what do you say to that inner voice
or like you're I'm sorry, I'm I just have to
I have to level set for everyone here. I am
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like a lifelong jogger. I wrecked my nie, so I
do pilates. Bloodies is all about drawing it in and
keeping it tight. I need so much help in this
area before I can. And part of it, I think
is mental is let it go, Jill, you can do this.
Who cares what you look like? Dance like no one's watching.
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So what what's the instruction to the inner, the nasty
inner voice, to the critic? I think with our wild side,
you talking about the wild needs a little more of
that wildness I have. I'm engaged in the Polates woman's way,
and it's I don't know I want but this. I
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will say that reading your book, I really thought I
was going to struggle with this because of what I've
just admitted, and instead I felt very very intrigued by it.
Well that's very good, because it's in you, and it's
normal to feel a bit strange about these things for
many reasons, one of which, of course, is we have
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all had some experience of it. Not not only looking stupid, right,
but also potentially not being safe. And so of course
you do these things in the privacy of your own
home when no one's watching. Yeah, that's a really interesting
point that as women, you know, kind of standing there
and letting it all go and really sort of swinging
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your hips around and getting in touch with your sensuality.
You know, you do that out in the world and
you might attract some money put in your own Absolutely so.
A lot of women I've worked with who work, you know,
day jobs in in in big offices, so they go
into the into the handicapped bathroom stall, put an I
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pod or like an I put on or something like that,
and move for a few minutes or just bounce up
and down where no one can see you. It is
important to understand that, um, we have a built in
mechanism to keep ourselves safe, and display of our hips
and our sensuality and aliveness in public is dangerous, you know,
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in the worst case scenario. In the best case scenario,
it's embarrassing. Of course, if you live in California, nobody cares.
But in some parts of California. But um, but so
what you do is you do it at home, and
you say to you in your critic that it's for
the good of so to speak, for the good of
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all beings, including your partner, um, your children, yourself, to
have more life and more fullness in the body, because
you know, we're not just talking pasure and sex here.
We're talking in tuition, and we're talking free available energy
to actually do the things we want to do. All
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of that sits down there in the hips and the
belly and the size, because that's the power center, right,
It's like the generator of of our of our creativity,
and with that the doing that doesn't just come from
the head. And so when you just engage a tiny
little bit every day, it's so simple. Most people don't
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think it makes a difference, and most people within a
week report a market difference in the way they feel
in their body. Interesting, I'm getting on board. I am,
and I don't care what my children exactly exactly? Can
Can we talk a little bit about your process of
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rewild ng say therefore aspects to it, um, the embodiment, sensitualization, UH, sensitization,
relaxation and release. Can you walk through that? Yes? So, Um,
you know I've been teaching this for over twenty years
in and have been added myself for over thirty um
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with this particular inquiry because I'm by nature very driven
and very heavy and very effective and so um, very
very effective, meaning I can get an enormous amount of
stuff done within a day and my body will suffer
the consequences if I'm not constantly maintaining a balance there
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and so um. The things I found is that essentially
those four aspects, when used and when you know what
they are, it's fairly easy to do it, and it's
not a time intensive thing because the first step is,
of course, that you come in touch with your feelings
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and your sensations, and that's what makes us connected back
to our body. You have to kind of imagine that
the body has a constant voice that always um is there,
but when it's loud, like let's say we're at a
rock concert, um and the three of us are speaking,
we have to scream to hear each other. But then,
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of course, if we go into a library, that same
noise level is going to be considered obscenely loud and
so um. When we constantly drown out the messages of
our body, what we essentially can do is bring the
noise level down and then we can hear these things
clearly and we're connected. So sensitization is the um the
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the engagement with that with those sensations by becoming more
sensitive to the body, and there's a variety of ways
to do that, like with the hip circles. UM. There's
another practice that you were talking earlier about maybe speaking
about nonlinear at some point, So there's a nonlinear movement practice.
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I'll explain that in the moment where you just move
with whatever you're feeling, and so you're translating your internal
sensations externally by knowing what you're feeling and by moving
what you're feeling, so that sensitization. Then relaxation of course
also plays a big part in there, because the more
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intense we are, the less we can feel. And as
you well know, arousal and um and and stress intention
in the body are directly opposite, right, And so the
more relaxed and open your body is, the more available
a sensation you have in the more arousal and the
more creativity can come forth. So there's all kinds of
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ways you can relax the body passively and actively of course,
and then UM. There is um release, which is also
very very important because a lot of us have a
lot of backlog, and UH, in the backlog, we it's
like sludge on the bottom of a you know, of
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a of a gas tank or something like that. And
and UM it makes us physical. Is it's psychological? Is
it something we're storing in the body. All of the above.
Backlog can be UM physical stuff that you haven't dealt with,
that you can't even hear or feel. UM. It can
be emotions, which it mostly is past traumas, old thirts, heartbreaks, anger, resentment, um,
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all the things that we stuffed down. When you stuff
it down, your stuff it down, you stay functional, functional, functional,
And at some point it's like a beach ball being
pushed underwater. At some point you can't hold it down anymore,
and it pops up. And when it pops up, people
have panic attacks or um they get very very sad
and depressed, or they have you know, fight or flight,
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or trauma comes up. All kinds of things can happen
when we don't release the things that we're dealing with
on a regular basis. And there's ways to do that
through talk therapy or talking with a friend as of course,
crying always good. Uh, and then there's moving your body.
You're making a face when I said crying, yeah, not
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always the most appropriate thing to do. Right now, I'm
awking cry yeah, I was so often a good cry.
Will will you know, wash it all out and then
you can do movement to release when we come back.
I want to actually talk about sex. Okay, So we
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were talking about a rewilding um and the process you
have before for aspects of the rewilding um. But I
do want to I said, we were gonna talk about sex.
I do want to get into sex, and I kind
of want to take it from a different angle because
Jill and I have talked about this before, and somehow
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at fifty and I don't know if you're a woman
of a certain age yet, but at fifty, people just
people just decided it's like, Okay, you don't have to
have sex anymore. You're invisible, you're not considered a sexual
entity anymore. And I think part of the whole it's
amazing how easily people just divest from it. It's the weirdest. Well,
a lot of our friends don't want to have sex anymore. Um,
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But I was just the whole rewilding thing. The thing
about the wild Woman is she's not necessarily a new
bio eighteen year old wild woman. You can be a
middle aged wild woman, I think, and embrace that aspect
of yourself. Can you talk about that a bit? Yes, well,
you know, I want to say, because wild woman sometimes
people get very confused. I'm not talking about wildness and
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crazy foaming at the mouth things, and I'm talking as
wild as in connect It's it's a union archetype, right.
So it's connected to nature, our original nature, meaning who
we are when all the labels and the layers and
the coping mechanisms are peeled away. And also our connection
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with nature within our bodies and around us. That of
course is present in every age. And there's also something
really really valuable in understanding that the cycles of nature
run through our bodies and that um, there's a wisdom
in the way we were built, so to speak. And
so every season of the wild Woman might look a
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bit different, but they all have the same aspects, which
is reconnecting to who we are and um, reconnecting with
our body and with that the power and the pleasure
and the intuition we have and so when we look
at being in our fifties, I'm I'm about to turn
fifty two, right, Um, we're actually in a really interesting position,
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and i've particularly recently because you know, when you start
getting into that age, there isn't much out there anymore
to look for or look up to or and like
you said, people close shops or to speak right. And um,
some people just hold on for dear life to the
younger years, and some people just give up, and there's
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a lot of confusion. There's not a lot of good
role models. And I think that when you really look
at it from a cyclical viewpoint, one of the good
things about being in your fifties is you just don't
give that much of a damn anymore because you can't
because you wake up you do and you know you
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just can't because things are no longer the way that
you thought they would be. And you know, in the
in our fifties, most of us had at least a few,
if not a series of heart breaking losses and experiences.
So for the most part, it's actually an opportunity to
be freer and to be more expressed, and to be
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more expressive of who we really are and not have
to conform so much anymore. I actually think that younger
women have perhaps the context is different, but they struggle
the same way because there's so many social constructs about
what it means to be a young sexual woman, and
they are trying to live up to those models, and
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they're trying to they're you know, they're in go mode
around achieving some ideal of being a hot young thing.
And I honestly think that that they are as sort
of blocked in this way as as we are, or
I'm not saying that they you know, women in every
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age struggle with the same things, but you were specifically
asking about over fifty younger women. There's massive, massive, um
things that we never had to deal with. I mean,
can I just say tinder, But I mean, I mean,
you know all that comes with that, and the externalization
and the and the objectification that not only is put
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upon us from the outside but from the inside, and
and there's an enormous amount of struggle with the body
and the expression and you know, having to be everything
for everyone and and all of that. But when we
speak specifically about the fifties, and then we talk about
sex at every age, um, what we're looking at is
that essentially, um, we can be ourselves because um, how
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do they say? Everybody else is taken? Um? And that
becomes very clear when your body starts doing strange things,
you know that you just have to be with it.
And UM, what I find with sex, and I've worked
as women for a long time and women, you know,
sometimes it's very lovely. Sometimes when other women's events, we
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have mothers, daughters and grandmothers. They come together often. And
so you have an eighteen year old, uh, you know,
like a forty something you're old and the sixty something
or seventies something you old. That are related and you
can see the different expressions of that. And uh, most women,
if they're really really honest, stop having sex, not because
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they're no longer sexual beings, but because there's so many
other things that play into that, you know, subtle resentments,
not feeling good in the body, being disconnected, having so
much to do is just another chore, um, never having
really fully had really good pleasure. So when it's not
that great, why would you you know, participate and all
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of those kinds of things. And so when we look
at sex, what we're really looking at is our connection
to our own sense reality, and then sexuality. And you
can be very, very essentially alive and not necessarily sexually active,
or you can be very sexually active and not be
essentially alive. And you can of course be essentially very
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alive and sex sexually active with yourself or a partner.
That's entirely up to you. But it's an engagement with
the senses. And you were saying at the very beginning,
I don't know if it was recorded or not. Is
there anything else to talk about sex and God? Um? Well,
that that kind of isn't And there is in the
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sense that, um, there's beauty, right, So I would say
beauty sex and God beauty as a creative spark or
creative force, and then there's sex as that the entirety
of the creative expression, and God is the entirety of
our connection with the divine. However, we understand that and UM,
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our bodies and our essentral sexual expression UM are a
direct connection to beauty six and God, because how else
would we know about these things other than through the senses,
and through our senses connecting deeply with the world around
us and our partners and our children, our animals. So
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six starts with the senses and it's being alive in
the sense. And I don't think when I say sex,
but I joke about it, but really I think we
have known a society where we've it's the sexes that
actually become less important, not more, Because when you talk
about the connection between sensuality and sexuality, the erotic can
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be in picking up a glass of water and that energy,
the polarity of the masculine feminine energies, and the and
the appreciation of sensation. It doesn't have to be singularly
in the sexual act. And I think that's where I
feel sorry for her younger generations who now have gender
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or or porn on demand, because this sex has been robbed.
If it's real significance, because it's just in every aspect
of life. Yes, I always call it the everyday sacred right.
And that's um that that to me is really the
the reason for my existence in a certain way is
to um bring the sacred into the ordinary and the
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ordinary into the sacred, so to speak. And so yes,
the way you pick up a glass of water or
the way you sit on your desk and how your
desk is arranged can be equally important and essential and alive.
Then the most sublime sex act and the key and
then and the secret so to speak to the most
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sublime sex act is that your body is already essentially
alive and open. And so when you go from being
numb all day because you're stuck in that go thing
and you don't even notice your surrounding and then you
want to engage from meantically or erotically, the gap between
zero totally shut down and let's say a hundred most
(34:07):
sublime opening, heart opening, body ecstatic orgasm is a huge gap.
And that's a gap that you know, if you didn't
expect your partner to bridge that gap, for instance, that
partner is probably gonna fall short because it's it's going
to be a long road, all right, So help me,
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because I'm the practical shoes person. I transition from my
office on the New York City subway. That is not
essential experience and the essentially okay, how and how does
that not get dangerous or disgusting? It's it's not sexual.
(34:50):
So in the very very back of my book, there's
these u sensuality hacks, um, most of which you could
do on a subway. So um. So here's a few
practical things you could do. You could have an essential
oil on you so that you smell something good instead
of subway right, Um, you can have a little you know,
(35:11):
those little nobby balls or something like that in your
hand and massage your hands if you know that's that's fairly.
I mean nobody will really notice or care. Um, and I,
by the way, I am beyond caring what other people
think about me on the subway or anywhere else. But yes,
keep going because I'm loving these These are very practical,
you know, meaning but also from a from a danger
(35:33):
standpoint or so right, like massaging your hands with one
of those nobby balls or putting moisturizes on using your
actual commute to do something for your hands, right, massaging
every single one of your fingers and the knuckles. And
you know, you could spend the entire subway right massaging
your hands, and by the time you get out of
(35:55):
the subway, you've actually done something for yourself. Um, instead
of fiddling on the phone, which is not massage in
your hands. Um. You know, you could also listen to
your favorite music instead of you know, instead of a
podcast or oh no, no, they should be listening to
our podcast. This particular one listen to our podcast. But
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I'm talking about the sensuality thing. Um. By the way,
it's very funny, you know when I when I do
my own podcast, people come up to me sometimes and
they go, I walk with you on the beach every day,
and there is the funniest thing. So I'm not saying
one shouldn't do podcast, but what I mean is sometimes
when you want to transition, you want to get out
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of your head. You don't actually want to think more,
you want to think less, and you want to listen
to the podcast on the way to work so you're
sharp and the life and motivate it and pull right
another way back. You put music on your massage your hands,
you have that little ball, you have some you know,
a romo therapy mist or a little bit of central oils,
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and you make it so that everything is essential experience
because guess what, touching the cold middle in the subway
is essential experience. It's sensory, you know. Michael, Thank you.
I will never look at my commune the same way again. Never.
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It's fantastic. Thank you so much. It's been such a
lush for chatting with you. Thank you. If you want
to connect with michaela. You can go to our Instagram
account it's at macbom seventy seven. That's m I C
b o e h M seven seven, or go to
michaela bomb dot com. Yes, thanks everybody for joining us.
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Thank you so much to Usha Heywood, our producer. Everybody,
have a great commute and a nice night with whomever
you've got at home. And until next time.
We're given, you know, an enormous amount of sensory perception
that can allow us to have incredible pleasure. There is
so much available And I'm not only talking sexual pleasure.
I'm just talking sensual aliveness and engaging with smell and
touch and taste and you know, I mean, there is
so much that we have available to us that we
(00:22):
are not using to our fullest. Hello, and welcome to
our podcast, a place where we discuss the ways in
which we are growing in evolving hopefully right. Yes, and
(00:43):
I am chill her sake, and I think one of
the interesting things that comes up in conversations when we're podcasting,
but also just in our friendship and in our life.
You bring it around to sex. Girl, you do? Oh
is we just actually we just had this conversation a
few minutes ago with Alicia, our producer, and she's like,
(01:05):
you only want to talk to to guess who talk
about sex or God? And that's that's like, what else
is there? I'm seriously, it's true, it's true, and everything
else pours me. I think it's because you are a
very sexually connected person. Welcome to our Oversharing podcast. But
I think that I buy sens us this about you,
(01:27):
and I also feel like you kind of naturally want
to get to the honest place with people, and it's
it's a shortcut right to an honest place. Some spirituality
is as well. Sometimes it can be a shortcut to
align place to but it's just anyway, it's my it's
(01:47):
my jam, which is why I'm so excited for our
guest today. We are talking to Michaelabom, the Queen of
Sex and she's intimacy and Relationships and her most recent book,
The Wild Woman's Way Unlock your Full Potential for pleasure,
power and fulfillment. Thank you so much for being with
(02:08):
us today. We are so on her dephew. Oh, it's
my pleasure. And I like the idea. Did you talk
about six all the time. I don't actually talk about it,
it's just what I'm just thinking about it. And she's
just it's just a very natural way. Anytime the door
is just even slightly open, slightly cracked to the subject
(02:29):
of sex, Lisa, We'll walk right through. It talks just
the clean of the double entange. But but I do
think because it's something bigger, I do think it's a
way to the transcendent and you are an expert in
tantra um as well as being a psychotherapist, And so
(02:49):
for me, it's like, on the one respect, I do
I think it's common and more conversations and what I
think about. But I think because it's so much bigger
and deeper than we even realize in our society. Let's
talk first about how disconnected we've become from our bodies
(03:10):
and our sexuality and and then we'll go go deeper
into that part. But how how did we lose how
do we lose that connection? Well? I think you know,
there's there's some very big considerations and I agree with
you with the uh you know, the the body being
(03:31):
a part of the sacred and the transcendent and uh
an offering and the creative spark and life force and
with that of course sex and procreation and and creativity.
You don't have to have a baby to be wildly
creative as as a human being, right, Um, But it
all comes from the same place, and that place is
(03:52):
the body. And um, the body really is a premier
decision making tool, is what I sometimes called called the body, right,
meaning we have so much wisdom in the body, which
the body was built to make us survive. And so
we have an enormous amount of sensory data and and
(04:15):
sensory perception and power in the body that we're no
longer using. And so one of the reasons, and and
as you're saying, we're very disconnected. So there's two things
that happened. There is um lack of use, and then
there is also disconnection, and I'll talk about both of them.
So lack of use is has to do with the
(04:38):
fact that, of course nowadays our lives are no longer
such that we're in physical survival for most of us.
Right in the west, as we're sitting here, um, we're
not wondering where the evening meal you speak from, or
or hunted from, or things of that nature. Right, the
(05:00):
neighboring tribes are not right at the door. At the
moment the door, the whole food swings wide open and
it's all right there, and so mide open and most
of us can get food delivered and so on and
so on. Right, so there is there's not so much
imminent threat to one survival. And also the way we
live now, um, and and the way life is set up,
(05:24):
a lot of the faculties that kept us alive for
millions of years. Essentially are no longer needed as much,
and so our spidy senses so to speak, are not
used and trained and worked with as much as in
the olden days, so to speak. Right, So there's there's
that whole area. Um. Then the other area, though, is
(05:46):
that we always have access to the signals our body
sense because our body is always scanning and always aware
of our surroundings and always alive with sensory exchange. Right.
And so when we talk about sex and relationship and
the body, we're talking about an engagement with the body
(06:09):
via the senses with then another human being. And so
one of the main things and and this answers your
question as to why are we so disconnected is that, Um,
we're human beings and we are subject to overload. So
we can only perceive so much before we have to
(06:30):
shut down and and and kind of clench down input
because we only can deal with so much at once.
And we live in a time, particularly now, with all
the social media and cell phones and electronic input and
all of that, where just the sheer volume of sound
(06:51):
and light and input and information coming and going is
such that there isn't much space for my jails. Really,
you had a phrase in your book that really stuck
in my mind, which is, our bodies are stuck in
go yes, stuck in mode. And and can you talk
(07:11):
a little bit more about that because I immediately related
to it. I actually felt it in my body. I thought,
that's right, that that's what the sensation is. But um,
intellectually I still I still want more on that. Yes,
So so, um, we're overwhelmed, which means we have to
shut down the signals of our body sins right, that's
(07:33):
number one. So we don't actually notice how disembodied we
are because we can here where answering that email and
returning that text and returning that snapchat, and it's right,
and it's loud. And then furthermore, you're sitting, so your
body is parked. When you sit, your body isn't supposed
to be active, right, so so you essentially park yourself.
(07:56):
And what's now active is from the neck up, in
spite the way we have neck and shoulder and jaw
and tension issues, headaches, all of those kinds of things,
because all the energy goes from the body up where
it's needed. Type type type text text taket look, look
look talk talk talk, right, So that's the that's the
(08:17):
kind of overwhelmed part, and then go is essentially the
outcome of that, where you focus externally to get things done,
and there's a lot of things to get done, a
lot more things than ever. I don't know how you
grew up, but I grew up in fairly rural Austria
where uh, at eleven o'clock on Saturday morning, every shop
(08:42):
closed and didn't open back up till Monday morning, and
people actually rested on the weekend. You couldn't get anything
done after six in the evening and after eleven on Saturday,
and so actually there was a work life balance, so
to speak. That's no longer the case. Most people work
full on and then they do their laundry, their banking,
(09:02):
there whatever, right at night, and then they watch TV
and so on and so on and so on. So
the go, go, go, go go is the predominant mode
we're in. But as women it's different. For men they
also suffer, right, but as women, because we are built
to actually grow humans and our bodies um a lot
(09:24):
more emphasis in the body, for you know, the survival
and and and procreation aspects is down in the lower body,
in the hips and the sighs and the genitals. That
has to be blood flow, There has to be aliveness.
There's a lot more happening there. And of course hormones
do that too. So UM, when we squeeze up and forward,
(09:48):
up and forward, we lose our body sensation and we
lose our pleasure and um, go is very addictive right
here and go. It's like you're revving and that rev
needs to go somewhere. And then stopping from go into
flow what what I call it in that case, which
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is the part of us that connects to our body
that is essentially alive, sexually alive, creatively prolific, is very
very difficult because you have to reverse the flow of
energy from up and out and forward too, in and
down into kind of swirling, undulating, nonlinear kind of engagement,
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and that's very hard for most of us. When we
come back, I want to delve deeper into this idea
and maybe you could share some techniques on how it
can go from go to flow. Before the break, we
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were talking about getting stuck and go that place where
it's all externally focused energy. Can you share with us
how we get into flow, which is what you were recommending, yes,
And the good news is we're naturally built for flow.
So for most of us, it's much harder to achieve
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and maintain strong go than it is to go back
into flow because flow is kind of where we live,
and it's in a certain way our birthright as its pleasure, uh,
you know, because we're built for that full bodied engagement,
and that's what also keeps us alive as a species, right,
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because that's how we birth babies and all those good things. So, um,
there is a few really really simple techniques. And you know,
it's really funny because you were talking about things I
mentioned in the book. One of my real desires in
the book was to have a whole pack of super
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simple exercises that you can do in a few minutes.
Because what, of course, is so insane about being in
go is that when you now have to do something
to get from go to flow, that's still doing it
is it's a catch twenty two. So, um, what I
do for myself, and we've talked about this before we
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get started with the show, and I traveled an enormous
amount of time, so all these things are essentially road tested,
you know, very very extensively road tested. One of the
easiest and quickest ways to get back into flow is
to actually move your lower body. All right, so give
me help our listeners. It's this is one of those
(12:42):
moments where it's a non visual medium. I will help us,
help them, help me. See what we're doing here? Is
this like a bell? Can you do it? Wiggling around
in my chair to me at all? I was saying
to Liza, I don't even have hips, so I'm not. Well,
(13:02):
yes you do, and yes you can use it, and
what you just did would be a good way. So
I'll give you three ways to do it. Um. So
if you see that and you really can't get up
like on an airplane or you in a meeting and
things are starting to get really really stuck, you can
do exactly what you did. Is you can kind of
do a little bit of a weak goal from right
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to left of your hips, or do like little hip
circles in your chair and of playing everyone we are
fingerating and wingling yes and so and so. The The
the interesting thing about that is that it doesn't take much, right,
So all you really need to do is feel your
size and feel your hips and feel your lower body,
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and the energy will go where the attention goes. That's
how it is. That's how it isn't a body. So
if you can do better than wiggling in your chair,
which is preferable, like let's say, at the end of
the day or before a date or before you want
to engage in a some kind of um embodied exploration,
you'll just stand. You can put a piece of music
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on for this or you know or not, and you
put your feet hip withs apart and you just start
making hip circles as if you had an imaginary hula hoop. Right,
so you can say, our producer Alicia doing a little
wiggle in her chear right now, everyone's wiggling here, okay.
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So you start with hip circles, and then you can
do figure eights. If you want to be very creative,
you can write your name with your hips or you know,
any which way, and you just keep your hips moving
while bending your knees just a tiny little bit. So
you don't want to do that with your knees hyper extended,
of course, but also if you bend the knees a bit,
(14:50):
the size get activated, and that activation of the size
really brings the energy down and it's so simple. Um.
And you know, I used to teach this in boardrooms
and and all kinds of places where people really are
not down with with hip circles to be a fly
on the wall and the board drive. And you're getting
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too you're saying, you're saying to the guys in the room, like,
shake it well with the guy with the guys. When
I'm working just with guys, were often do bouncing. This
is the other thing you can do if you, for
whatever reason, don't feel comfortable with hip circles, or you're
wearing a pencil skirt or something like that, you can
you can just have feet hip with apart and then
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put your hands on your hips and then or let
them hang by your side. It's up to you. And
then what you do is you just bounce up and
down by bending and straightening the knees and Um, what
you can imagine is that you're bouncing all the tension
from the head and the shoulders and the neck down
and it kind of by each bounce, it goes a
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little bit further down and it kind of falls off
the bottom. And what do you do when a little
inner voice says, Jill, you look like an idiot? What
do you what do you say to that inner voice
or like you're I'm sorry, I'm I just have to
I have to level set for everyone here. I am
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like a lifelong jogger. I wrecked my nie, so I
do pilates. Bloodies is all about drawing it in and
keeping it tight. I need so much help in this
area before I can. And part of it, I think
is mental is let it go, Jill, you can do this.
Who cares what you look like? Dance like no one's watching.
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So what what's the instruction to the inner, the nasty
inner voice, to the critic? I think with our wild side,
you talking about the wild needs a little more of
that wildness I have. I'm engaged in the Polates woman's way,
and it's I don't know I want but this. I
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will say that reading your book, I really thought I
was going to struggle with this because of what I've
just admitted, and instead I felt very very intrigued by it.
Well that's very good, because it's in you, and it's
normal to feel a bit strange about these things for
many reasons, one of which, of course, is we have
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all had some experience of it. Not not only looking stupid, right,
but also potentially not being safe. And so of course
you do these things in the privacy of your own
home when no one's watching. Yeah, that's a really interesting
point that as women, you know, kind of standing there
and letting it all go and really sort of swinging
(17:41):
your hips around and getting in touch with your sensuality.
You know, you do that out in the world and
you might attract some money put in your own Absolutely so.
A lot of women I've worked with who work, you know,
day jobs in in in big offices, so they go
into the into the handicapped bathroom stall, put an I
(18:05):
pod or like an I put on or something like that,
and move for a few minutes or just bounce up
and down where no one can see you. It is
important to understand that, um, we have a built in
mechanism to keep ourselves safe, and display of our hips
and our sensuality and aliveness in public is dangerous, you know,
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in the worst case scenario. In the best case scenario,
it's embarrassing. Of course, if you live in California, nobody cares.
But in some parts of California. But um, but so
what you do is you do it at home, and
you say to you in your critic that it's for
the good of so to speak, for the good of
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all beings, including your partner, um, your children, yourself, to
have more life and more fullness in the body, because
you know, we're not just talking pasure and sex here.
We're talking in tuition, and we're talking free available energy
to actually do the things we want to do. All
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of that sits down there in the hips and the
belly and the size, because that's the power center, right,
It's like the generator of of our of our creativity,
and with that the doing that doesn't just come from
the head. And so when you just engage a tiny
little bit every day, it's so simple. Most people don't
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think it makes a difference, and most people within a
week report a market difference in the way they feel
in their body. Interesting, I'm getting on board. I am,
and I don't care what my children exactly exactly? Can
Can we talk a little bit about your process of
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rewild ng say therefore aspects to it, um, the embodiment, sensitualization, UH, sensitization,
relaxation and release. Can you walk through that? Yes? So, Um,
you know I've been teaching this for over twenty years
in and have been added myself for over thirty um
(20:12):
with this particular inquiry because I'm by nature very driven
and very heavy and very effective and so um, very
very effective, meaning I can get an enormous amount of
stuff done within a day and my body will suffer
the consequences if I'm not constantly maintaining a balance there
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and so um. The things I found is that essentially
those four aspects, when used and when you know what
they are, it's fairly easy to do it, and it's
not a time intensive thing because the first step is,
of course, that you come in touch with your feelings
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and your sensations, and that's what makes us connected back
to our body. You have to kind of imagine that
the body has a constant voice that always um is there,
but when it's loud, like let's say we're at a
rock concert, um and the three of us are speaking,
we have to scream to hear each other. But then,
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of course, if we go into a library, that same
noise level is going to be considered obscenely loud and
so um. When we constantly drown out the messages of
our body, what we essentially can do is bring the
noise level down and then we can hear these things
clearly and we're connected. So sensitization is the um the
(21:43):
the engagement with that with those sensations by becoming more
sensitive to the body, and there's a variety of ways
to do that, like with the hip circles. UM. There's
another practice that you were talking earlier about maybe speaking
about nonlinear at some point, So there's a nonlinear movement practice.
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I'll explain that in the moment where you just move
with whatever you're feeling, and so you're translating your internal
sensations externally by knowing what you're feeling and by moving
what you're feeling, so that sensitization. Then relaxation of course
also plays a big part in there, because the more
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intense we are, the less we can feel. And as
you well know, arousal and um and and stress intention
in the body are directly opposite, right, And so the
more relaxed and open your body is, the more available
a sensation you have in the more arousal and the
more creativity can come forth. So there's all kinds of
(22:48):
ways you can relax the body passively and actively of course,
and then UM. There is um release, which is also
very very important because a lot of us have a
lot of backlog, and UH, in the backlog, we it's
like sludge on the bottom of a you know, of
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a of a gas tank or something like that. And
and UM it makes us physical. Is it's psychological? Is
it something we're storing in the body. All of the above.
Backlog can be UM physical stuff that you haven't dealt with,
that you can't even hear or feel. UM. It can
be emotions, which it mostly is past traumas, old thirts, heartbreaks, anger, resentment, um,
(23:38):
all the things that we stuffed down. When you stuff
it down, your stuff it down, you stay functional, functional, functional,
And at some point it's like a beach ball being
pushed underwater. At some point you can't hold it down anymore,
and it pops up. And when it pops up, people
have panic attacks or um they get very very sad
and depressed, or they have you know, fight or flight,
(23:59):
or trauma comes up. All kinds of things can happen
when we don't release the things that we're dealing with
on a regular basis. And there's ways to do that
through talk therapy or talking with a friend as of course,
crying always good. Uh, and then there's moving your body.
You're making a face when I said crying, yeah, not
(24:21):
always the most appropriate thing to do. Right now, I'm
awking cry yeah, I was so often a good cry.
Will will you know, wash it all out and then
you can do movement to release when we come back.
I want to actually talk about sex. Okay, So we
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were talking about a rewilding um and the process you
have before for aspects of the rewilding um. But I
do want to I said, we were gonna talk about sex.
I do want to get into sex, and I kind
of want to take it from a different angle because
Jill and I have talked about this before, and somehow
(25:10):
at fifty and I don't know if you're a woman
of a certain age yet, but at fifty, people just
people just decided it's like, Okay, you don't have to
have sex anymore. You're invisible, you're not considered a sexual
entity anymore. And I think part of the whole it's
amazing how easily people just divest from it. It's the weirdest. Well,
a lot of our friends don't want to have sex anymore. Um,
(25:34):
But I was just the whole rewilding thing. The thing
about the wild Woman is she's not necessarily a new
bio eighteen year old wild woman. You can be a
middle aged wild woman, I think, and embrace that aspect
of yourself. Can you talk about that a bit? Yes, well,
you know, I want to say, because wild woman sometimes
people get very confused. I'm not talking about wildness and
(25:56):
crazy foaming at the mouth things, and I'm talking as
wild as in connect It's it's a union archetype, right.
So it's connected to nature, our original nature, meaning who
we are when all the labels and the layers and
the coping mechanisms are peeled away. And also our connection
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with nature within our bodies and around us. That of
course is present in every age. And there's also something
really really valuable in understanding that the cycles of nature
run through our bodies and that um, there's a wisdom
in the way we were built, so to speak. And
so every season of the wild Woman might look a
(26:40):
bit different, but they all have the same aspects, which
is reconnecting to who we are and um, reconnecting with
our body and with that the power and the pleasure
and the intuition we have and so when we look
at being in our fifties, I'm I'm about to turn
fifty two, right, Um, we're actually in a really interesting position,
(27:04):
and i've particularly recently because you know, when you start
getting into that age, there isn't much out there anymore
to look for or look up to or and like
you said, people close shops or to speak right. And um,
some people just hold on for dear life to the
younger years, and some people just give up, and there's
(27:26):
a lot of confusion. There's not a lot of good
role models. And I think that when you really look
at it from a cyclical viewpoint, one of the good
things about being in your fifties is you just don't
give that much of a damn anymore because you can't
because you wake up you do and you know you
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just can't because things are no longer the way that
you thought they would be. And you know, in the
in our fifties, most of us had at least a few,
if not a series of heart breaking losses and experiences.
So for the most part, it's actually an opportunity to
be freer and to be more expressed, and to be
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more expressive of who we really are and not have
to conform so much anymore. I actually think that younger
women have perhaps the context is different, but they struggle
the same way because there's so many social constructs about
what it means to be a young sexual woman, and
they are trying to live up to those models, and
(28:32):
they're trying to they're you know, they're in go mode
around achieving some ideal of being a hot young thing.
And I honestly think that that they are as sort
of blocked in this way as as we are, or
I'm not saying that they you know, women in every
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age struggle with the same things, but you were specifically
asking about over fifty younger women. There's massive, massive, um
things that we never had to deal with. I mean,
can I just say tinder, But I mean, I mean,
you know all that comes with that, and the externalization
and the and the objectification that not only is put
(29:19):
upon us from the outside but from the inside, and
and there's an enormous amount of struggle with the body
and the expression and you know, having to be everything
for everyone and and all of that. But when we
speak specifically about the fifties, and then we talk about
sex at every age, um, what we're looking at is
that essentially, um, we can be ourselves because um, how
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do they say? Everybody else is taken? Um? And that
becomes very clear when your body starts doing strange things,
you know that you just have to be with it.
And UM, what I find with sex, and I've worked
as women for a long time and women, you know,
sometimes it's very lovely. Sometimes when other women's events, we
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have mothers, daughters and grandmothers. They come together often. And
so you have an eighteen year old, uh, you know,
like a forty something you're old and the sixty something
or seventies something you old. That are related and you
can see the different expressions of that. And uh, most women,
if they're really really honest, stop having sex, not because
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they're no longer sexual beings, but because there's so many
other things that play into that, you know, subtle resentments,
not feeling good in the body, being disconnected, having so
much to do is just another chore, um, never having
really fully had really good pleasure. So when it's not
that great, why would you you know, participate and all
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of those kinds of things. And so when we look
at sex, what we're really looking at is our connection
to our own sense reality, and then sexuality. And you
can be very, very essentially alive and not necessarily sexually active,
or you can be very sexually active and not be
essentially alive. And you can of course be essentially very
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alive and sex sexually active with yourself or a partner.
That's entirely up to you. But it's an engagement with
the senses. And you were saying at the very beginning,
I don't know if it was recorded or not. Is
there anything else to talk about sex and God? Um? Well,
that that kind of isn't And there is in the
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sense that, um, there's beauty, right, So I would say
beauty sex and God beauty as a creative spark or
creative force, and then there's sex as that the entirety
of the creative expression, and God is the entirety of
our connection with the divine. However, we understand that and UM,
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our bodies and our essentral sexual expression UM are a
direct connection to beauty six and God, because how else
would we know about these things other than through the senses,
and through our senses connecting deeply with the world around
us and our partners and our children, our animals. So
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six starts with the senses and it's being alive in
the sense. And I don't think when I say sex,
but I joke about it, but really I think we
have known a society where we've it's the sexes that
actually become less important, not more, Because when you talk
about the connection between sensuality and sexuality, the erotic can
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be in picking up a glass of water and that energy,
the polarity of the masculine feminine energies, and the and
the appreciation of sensation. It doesn't have to be singularly
in the sexual act. And I think that's where I
feel sorry for her younger generations who now have gender
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or or porn on demand, because this sex has been robbed.
If it's real significance, because it's just in every aspect
of life. Yes, I always call it the everyday sacred right.
And that's um that that to me is really the
the reason for my existence in a certain way is
to um bring the sacred into the ordinary and the
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ordinary into the sacred, so to speak. And so yes,
the way you pick up a glass of water or
the way you sit on your desk and how your
desk is arranged can be equally important and essential and alive.
Then the most sublime sex act and the key and
then and the secret so to speak to the most
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sublime sex act is that your body is already essentially
alive and open. And so when you go from being
numb all day because you're stuck in that go thing
and you don't even notice your surrounding and then you
want to engage from meantically or erotically, the gap between
zero totally shut down and let's say a hundred most
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sublime opening, heart opening, body ecstatic orgasm is a huge gap.
And that's a gap that you know, if you didn't
expect your partner to bridge that gap, for instance, that
partner is probably gonna fall short because it's it's going
to be a long road, all right, So help me,
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because I'm the practical shoes person. I transition from my
office on the New York City subway. That is not
essential experience and the essentially okay, how and how does
that not get dangerous or disgusting? It's it's not sexual.
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So in the very very back of my book, there's
these u sensuality hacks, um, most of which you could
do on a subway. So um. So here's a few
practical things you could do. You could have an essential
oil on you so that you smell something good instead
of subway right, Um, you can have a little you know,
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those little nobby balls or something like that in your
hand and massage your hands if you know that's that's fairly.
I mean nobody will really notice or care. Um, and I,
by the way, I am beyond caring what other people
think about me on the subway or anywhere else. But yes,
keep going because I'm loving these These are very practical,
you know, meaning but also from a from a danger
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standpoint or so right, like massaging your hands with one
of those nobby balls or putting moisturizes on using your
actual commute to do something for your hands, right, massaging
every single one of your fingers and the knuckles. And
you know, you could spend the entire subway right massaging
your hands, and by the time you get out of
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the subway, you've actually done something for yourself. Um, instead
of fiddling on the phone, which is not massage in
your hands. Um. You know, you could also listen to
your favorite music instead of you know, instead of a
podcast or oh no, no, they should be listening to
our podcast. This particular one listen to our podcast. But
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I'm talking about the sensuality thing. Um. By the way,
it's very funny, you know when I when I do
my own podcast, people come up to me sometimes and
they go, I walk with you on the beach every day,
and there is the funniest thing. So I'm not saying
one shouldn't do podcast, but what I mean is sometimes
when you want to transition, you want to get out
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of your head. You don't actually want to think more,
you want to think less, and you want to listen
to the podcast on the way to work so you're
sharp and the life and motivate it and pull right
another way back. You put music on your massage your hands,
you have that little ball, you have some you know,
a romo therapy mist or a little bit of central oils,
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and you make it so that everything is essential experience
because guess what, touching the cold middle in the subway
is essential experience. It's sensory, you know. Michael, Thank you.
I will never look at my commune the same way again. Never.
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It's fantastic. Thank you so much. It's been such a
lush for chatting with you. Thank you. If you want
to connect with michaela. You can go to our Instagram
account it's at macbom seventy seven. That's m I C
b o e h M seven seven, or go to
michaela bomb dot com. Yes, thanks everybody for joining us.
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Thank you so much to Usha Heywood, our producer. Everybody,
have a great commute and a nice night with whomever
you've got at home. And until next time.
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