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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome to Saver production of iHeartRadio, I'm any Ratio.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And I'm mourn bogle bam, And today we have a
SAVER short, a snack perhaps for you, combining two of
our favorite things, fresh tomatoes and space shenanigans.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh already, so great, so fantastic, And I love how
you wouldn't put the two together necessarily.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
No, but it turns out that there was a tomato
scandal on board the International Space Station.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Indeed there was, and it is quite a delight. I
maintain it would be an excellent movie or mini series.
Oh yeah, yeah, yes, but these are definitely two of
our favorite things. And we've been meaning to talk about
it for a while.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, because I think that you had alerted me to
this whole situation and I was like, oh, yes, we
are doing a mini episode about that, and then we
just haven't gotten around to it, but we're doing it now,
so huzzah.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yes, yes, and as we record, it is Fresh Tomato season.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
M h And yeah, speaking of we have done episodes
related to this. We have done tomatoes.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Space food in general. We did a short on sparkling
wine in space that you can see we can.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Get up to a lot of stuff for it.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We're big nerds, as it turns out.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So yeah, as it turns out we are.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I would love for it if you could break this
down for us, Lauren, what happened to you? Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
In twenty twenty three, there was indeed something of a
scandal aboard the International Space Station or ISS. Researchers are
running a number of experiments there around around growing fresh
produce in space, and in the process of one of them,
two tomatoes just up and vanished. A mystery was afoot,
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and did one of the illustrious astronauts of the ISS
illicitly ingest the incipient fruit?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
WHOA, I'm hooked already, as were a lot of people.
I remember when this was happening. Everyone was like, what
happened to the tomato? All right?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So let's go a little bit further back than that.
So food is important for humans, right, you know, nutritionally
and psychologically. This is sort of why we do this podcast,
and so ever since we've been sending people into space,
we've been trying to figure out how to feed them there.
Traditionally that's involved a lot of like highly processed foods
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that will behave well in near zero gravity, things in
tubes that won't go bad quickly or get crumbs, and
the machinery, things that will keep you alive, but that
probably will not set your heart or your taste buds
are rasin. And part of the problem here is that
even with our modern innovations and like the preservation and
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reheating of more interesting foods, many of those innovations having
been made because of space programs, there's just nothing like
fresh produce. You know, the textures and the flavors are different,
and if you're off Earth for an extended period of time,
you're probably going to miss that. Also, it monetarily behooves
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the heck out of us to be able to grow
food in space. Like, no matter what we do with
space exploration in the future, if we have humans out there,
they're probably going to need to be able to grow
their own food because shipping stuff into space is expensive
and nutrients do degrade over long periods of time. Also,
it's just it's just like nice to grow plants, you know,
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like gardening is nice.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, yeah, I'm really jealous of all my friends who
have a garden.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, it's you can work on your windowsill garden.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
The ants they destroyed, they decimated my herbs.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I feel like there are solutions here, but that's a different.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
That's a different.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
We're in space. We're in space today. Okay, okay, but
we'll work on that later, all right. So, starting in
twenty fourteen, NASA has been working on growing edible plants
in space with what's called the Vegetable Production System or
VEGGIE for short, and VEGGIE is a low power plant
growth unit designed to efficiently and safely give plants the
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light and support that they need to grow in near
zero gravity, while also helping keep like the larger environment
of the space station under control. It's a modular unit.
The original setup involved planting seeds in these pillows containing
a soil like growth medium that let the plant sprout out.
The first craft they tried was red Romain lettuce. By
summer of twenty fifteen, the crew eight the first space
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grown plant and sort of salad with olive oil and
balsamic vinegar. They also shared some of that lettuce with
the Russian cosmonauts on the station, one of whom put
it on a space cheeseburger. Love this for everyone involved.
So over the next few years. They worked successfully with
other leafy greens, including mustards and poc choi, and later
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some nice medium hot chilis, which they used to make
space tacos. But a new system was sent up in
twenty twenty two to add on to veggie, called the
Exposed Root on Orbit Test System or x ROOTS. Yeah,
and this is a system meant for growing plants without
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a growth medium, either hydroponically and or aeroponically. We'll have
to do episodes on those two systems of growing things
sometime in the future when we're feeling even more ambitious
than we've been feeling lately. Basically, like, just because it's
easy to grow plants in soil here on Earth does
not mean that it's the easiest or most efficient system
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possible for all circumstances anyway. Yeah, So they got the
x ROOTS system to work, growing on an expanded set
of crops leafy greens, yes, but also radishes, wheat, peas,
and tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
They were specifically growing a variety of dwarf tomatoes called
red Robin red dwarf tomatoes. Huh uh. Anyway, and one
of the astronauts on board, Frank Rubio, harvested the last
of them in spring of twenty twenty three, after a
rocky few months of running the experiment. It was a
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whole thing, like there was a humidity drop on the station.
Only twelve tomatoes grew to actual ripeness. There were fungal
infection concerns about those, so no one even got to
eat them. It was like a whole thing. But okay, now,
Rubio says that when he harvested these these final two
small tomatoes, he put them in a little sealable like
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Ziplock style baggie that has that had a little strip
of alcro on it. He velk rolled them in the
place that he was supposed to velcrow them, and then
continued on with some work. And then when he turned
around to collect the tomatoes, they had vanished. Did did someone?
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Did someone steal the tomatoes? Did it? Was Rubio lying,
had he eat eat the tomatoes. He got like a
kind of a lot of pretty good natured grief from
his teammates, both on board and on the ground. They
were like, yeah, sure, Frank, the tomatoes just floated away.
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You totally didn't eat the tomatoes A likely story, And
after a total of three hundred and seventy one days
on board for Rubio, which is a record long stay
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on the ISS. He finally came back to Earth in
September of twenty twenty three, with the mystery still unsolved.
He apparently he apparently spent some eighteen to twenty hours
of his remaining time there looking for those tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
This was a story, all people drawing accusations, and he's
having to deal with that. He's trying to find the tomatoes.
Clear his name.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I mean, it's it's a closed space station mystery, you know,
like where could the tomatoes have gone to?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But it was also it's also really funny, like hearing
their interviews as time went on, because it was good natured,
as you said, it was generally very good natured, but
him wanting to exonerate himself, Yeah, to be like no.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
No, no, no, no, I did not eat the tomatoes, but
he couldn't find the heck and tomatoes. It's, you know, yeah,
one ziploc bag of two tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
What do you do? Like?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
It's they're not big tomatoes. But his good name was
eventually restored in early December of twenty twenty three. His
coworkers back on the ISS announced that they had recovered
the tomatoes in their bag unharmed, I mean, if well,
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maybe not totally unharmed. They were slightly dehydrated and squished,
but they recovered them from the forward hatch of the
Harmony module. Harmony is the connecting module of the ISS.
The hatch is the one that allows visiting spacecraft to
dock in and and items like not infrequently go missing
on the station because again, they can literally just float
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away and you know they'll be found later, like in
intake events or other little mixing crannies around.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, it was really really funny because this did catch
a lot of attention, and so there were a lot
of interviews around it, and Rubio was joking like, one
day they'll find ten years from now dessicated tomatoes and
no one will even know what they are. But then
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again jokingly, I think some people were like, show us
the tomatoes, because when they made this announcement, they didn't
really show anything, right, so people were like, oh, maybe
it's a cover up, and but very funny.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, Tomato Gate. You know, they did eventually send photos
this is slightly squished tomatoes in their little ziplock back
down to Earth. So we can all rest assured that
the tomato mystery has been solved.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You, I was lying awake at night thinking who absconded
and less.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's a more intricate cover up than we even thought.
That's true, Lauren, that's what if these are false tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Planted. The plants were planted.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they didn't look very red to
me at that point. One's kind of yellowish red dwarf tomatoes. Indeed,
couldn't even get the right colored tomatoes. Mmmmmm no, I think.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I honestly, it was such like a fun back and
forth about this tomato and the suspicions around the tomato. Uh,
it was. It caught a lot of attention and it
was really fun to see. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, and the headlines were beautiful. I mean everyone, yes,
every one had good puns.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, like Houston we don't have the tomato.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, ground control to missing tom Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
A good one. There's really good. I recommend it. Look up, yeah, oracles,
look up. The videos The videos are great. Yes, Frank
Rubio sounds like a real good sport. And I'm glad
his name was cleared all this.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Absolutely, but this is this is not the end of
tomatoes on the space station end of this current drama
perhaps perhaps.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Unless other details come to light. But but yeah, I
know more experiments with tomatoes are being planned for the future.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Really cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
We will have to, as we said in the Space
Bubbly episode, we will have to do uh space food update,
because there's all kinds of cool stuff happening up there.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
You're right, we do a lot of stuff around space
because we are a big nerd.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yep, and it's interesting and we get you know, as
we said in our original Space Food episode, like a
lot of a lot of innovations in food in general
have come from a lot of these space programs.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So that's true. That's true. Oh, I'm excited. I love
I love what's going on food and space. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Also, furthermore, if if you or someone you know has
is in school, your classroom can participate in space tomato research.
There's a program called Tomato Sphere where students in the
US and Canada can help scientists by like planting tomato
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seeds that have gone up to space, plant them blindly
alongside earth bound tomato seeds and then see how both
both crops do. Yeah. Yeah, And the program has been
running since like two thousand and one. It's currently for
grades K through eight. So yeah, google tomatoes fear for more.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Info on that.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
They are currently as of this dropping in early August
of twenty twenty four. They are accepting registrations for the
fall twenty twenty four in spring twenty twenty five class seasons.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So that sounds so cool.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, grow tomatoes for science.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I would have loved that.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean I would love that now, but now, yeah,
I mean I just want to I generally just want
to grow tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
But yeah, yeah, if space you're adding in space kind
of curiosity? What's going to happen here? I am into it?
Oh well, I guess is space mystery? We can put
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it to rest for now for now, yes, but where
we're gonna be looking out for any updates. And we
do love we do love space space related episodes, however,
we can get them, so listeners, if you have any
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suggestions about.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That, oh yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Please let us know if you participated in anything like this.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh please, If you are just growing some tomatoes that
you're excited about, send us photos and flavor profiles. Oh
my gosh, yes, make me jealous of tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
They're so good tomatoes, Oh my gosh. If you have
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