July 18, 2020 • 56 mins
If you count vampirism, this show was technically all about food. Anney and Lauren buff up on the sometimes magical, sometimes metaphorical foods and drinks featured in the television series ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio.
I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Fogelbaum, and today we're
talking about food and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. You heard
that correctly, listeners, Food and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. This
was a suggestion from listener Christie High Christie. Lauren absolutely
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jumped on. Um yep. I was like, well, that's the one.
That's the one for this week. I am so excited
about this. And I know I say that in every
episode and it's true in every episode, but I'm excited
for a different reason in this one because a lot
of times we talk about things where I know you've
probably experienced this to Lauren, where you do the research,
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but it's just different than like living in that world
and knowing it and yeah, and being able to write.
It's the difference between like just following all of these
lines of of of inquiry that you that you find
reference to and having those lines of inquiry yourself and
exactly more or less being able to answer them off
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the top of your head. Exactly. But most of the
time I feel like you and I are on a
very similar wavelength, like maybe one of us has a
little bit more experience, but not much. But this is
the time where I'm so excited because I feel like
the stuff that I've written you might be able to
correct me or be like well, and also because you
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have so much more knowledge of it than I do. Yes,
I have. I have some Buffy knowledge in my head
that if that would be inaccurate. But but but you
you watched it too. I did, and it's actually one
of a handful of shows that I watched on TV
every episode. Yeah. Um, I was kind of young ish though,
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and um, there's some things I remember super well. I
remember that like song They're coming for You, You're gonna
die screaming, but you won't be heard. I still remember
that really well, from from from Hush right. Yes, and
then I've often said that the Body, the one where
Buffy's mom dies, is one of the best episodes I've
ever seen on television. Uh yeah, a spoiler alert, it
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was it it's over twenty years old. But okay, so
fair fair. I was like, good, I just pearl clutched.
Um okay, but but yes, um, for sure, that episode
is just extraordinarily well done. Um. They they chose to
do the episode completely without soundtrack as one of the
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ways to to really drive home uh grief and especially
that very early grief process. Yeah yeah, like ringing sounds. Um.
I did rewatch the whole series about like six or
seven years ago, whenever that big like we had those
two snow apocalypses. I, um, I rewatched it in there.
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But as I recently told Lauren off Mike, I'm one
of the worst people to watch things with because I'm
always doing a million other things. So I kind of
feel like I halfway watched him and halfway did it.
That's about where I am. Um, I do love it.
I love it. Oh yeah. I actually missed the Buffy
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Train while it was originally airing. For the most part,
um I I didn't. I didn't catch on until until
my friends Kate and Gabe sat me down and made
me watch the musical episode, which is from season six.
UM and they and like like paused it to explain
all the references. They were like, no, you will like
this show. You should be watching it. Here is why,
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and uh this this was only like a little bit
after it aired. Um. I was finally convinced that that
watching the whole thing was worth it. I UM but
of course this was you know, as it was airing
in what was that, like like two thousand two, um,
I think. And so this was before like way before
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streaming services. It was before the show was even out
on DVD at all. Um, it was only on VHS
and I was a broke college student. So um. So
the way that I watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer is
that my friend Aaron kindly sent me boxes and boxes
of VHS tapes that he had recorded off of broadcast television.
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Oh that is a solid friend. And I did the
same for a friend of mine was Supernatural for a while.
Oh man, Oh yeah that is that. That is that
is a that is a heckend solid friend right there.
Um um, and I did. I went through through those
tapes and like a very short period of time. U
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I yeah, I loved it. Um. And I will say
that i've since then, uh you know, I finished watching
the series as it aired and then uh uh yeah,
I've watched it all the way through. I'm going to
say at least three times. Um. Uh. I tend to
when I get obsessive about something, I just reconsume it,
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kind of trying to to pick it apart and see
how it's working. Um. Especially yeah, when when something either
emotionally affects me or if I just appreciate the way
that it was written, I really want to break it
down in my head and so I just reconsume it.
It's also like a comfort thing, like if I'm trying
to go to sleep and I just want something to
help me turn my brain off, I'll just push something
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that I'm super familiar with, which is how I can
say shout out to uh to the DVD menu music
being horrifyingly startling um and that therefore not really being
a great way to fall asleep at all. So thanks
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for nothing. Whoever made those DVD menues, they knew what
was up. They knew. It's like the meaner version of
are you still watching with Netflix? Oh yeah, oh my gosh,
uh yeah if if if if, are you still watching?
Like yelled at you? Yeah exactly um uh. And I
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do have a reputation around the office for for being
this Buffy fan. Um. I went on sminty uh stuff,
Mom never told you right towards the end of Kristen
Carolines Run um November in order to talk about to
talk about the series and how in some ways it's
great and you know, ahead of its time in terms
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of feminism um or a product of its time, i'd say,
in terms of feminism ahead of its time on te
tlevision perhaps, um. And how it's been so positively influential
on especially like sci fi fantasy genre TV and film. Um.
You know, like it was one of the first series
that uh, that really combined humor and drama and this
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sci fi element in a way that I think has
been endlessly reproduced since then. People were suddenly like, oh,
you can do this and it's great, Let's definitely do
more of that. And I'm like, thank you, yes, um uh.
And you know how in other ways it's actually still
pretty sexist, um and really racist in a lot of times. Um.
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And you know, it's just generally far from perfect. Um.
I think in that episode of Spiny, I used the
word problematic like about fifteen times. Yeah. Yeah, you were
the you were the producer at that point, so you
may may remember, well, you know I did used to
do that, and not in a like mean way, but
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I would if people said certain words, I would just
count it a lot. But I think problematic for that
show is probably one of the number one words. So
you don't need to worry about it. You're in good company. Oh,
that's that's fair. It is definitely a part of the
modern discourse. Yes, yes, it is, UM. And I gave
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you that forward game that we've unfortunately haven't gotten to play.
We haven't. Oh yeah, because that was kind of just
before um, I mean relatively, just before COVID happened. Yeah, yeah,
one day, one day. Yes, And I guess this brings
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us to our question. Yes, foods a Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
What are they? Um? Oh well, uh, let's let's start
with with what Buffy is. Okay, okay, because you know
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what food is hypothetically, um, but I hope it's not.
I confused about what you're doing listening to this show
and probably a number of other things as well. But yes, um.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a TV show UM that
ran from through two thousand three. That's seven seasons with
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the episodes each aside from the first season, which was shorter. Um.
It's an our format broadcast show, so you know, like
forty two minute runtime per episode something in there. It
was created by Joss wheden Um, who was also the
writer of the film of the same name, UM, which
is treated as kind of like a prequel by the series. UM.
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Different cast, different mood, The direction of that one went
in different places, for sure, an interesting film. I will say, Uh, tone,
I have a I have a suspicion about what that means.
So I've never seen it. Oh my heck, you've never Okay,
(10:11):
all right, this is that is the next movie night?
What is up right? Okay? Or I mean I don't
want to dominate the now I got on Zombie Island.
It's somebody else's turn, all right. Paul Rubens in that
film is doing the work, and I appreciate it. I'm
excited anyway. So anyway, it was it was kind of
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Whedon's way of redeveloping that concept the series UM. And
then after the series was over, the plot was continued
UM in a series of comic books that added another
five cannon seasons. I didn't know is that many? Yeah,
I mean neither. Uh, that's a that's a different We're
not a culture show. I'm not going to just give
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you my opinions about the comic books anyway. UM. So yes,
the show is is the story of a teenage girl
who is who is called who has chosen to be
a slayer um. And in the show's mythos, this is
like a superpowered female human whose job, unpaid job, I
will add um, is to protect humanity from from vampires
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and assorted other demons. And the show uses this premise
to to make commentary about and poke fun at um
the horror genre as a whole, um, and to make
commentary about society and the expectations and assumptions that it
has for us, um as we're coming of age. And
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by us I mean mostly middle class white people, which
is one of the show's failings. Um. But but anyway, um,
because yeah, this particular slayer isn't what anyone expects her
to be, right down to her name, um Buffy, and
you know she she takes her calling seriously, but she
also takes herself seriously, her family and friends and dating
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life and extracurriculars and like lip gloss collection. It's it's
a very very third wave feminism. Um. You know, Buffy's
personal life and personality as a distinctly feminine woman are
expected to be a hindrance to her her job, but
she turns them into assets because girl power yeah. Yeah. Uh,
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but hey, we're a food show. Um, accordedly, I say again. Uh,
and because Buffy is a show about people being uh
people ee uh in a in a weedonism kind of phrase, Um,
it does feature people eating. Yes, yes, so let's talk
about some of the foods in here. And also I
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suppose we could say start with one that non people
are eating people, right, yeah, yeah, you know what I
got to thinking about this, Like the whole series is
obliquely about food. Uh. You know, part of the horror
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of vampires is that they're higher on the food chain
than humans are. Um. Lots of other demons featured in
the series eat humans too. Um. I was, I was
starting to make a list, and then I just stopped
because it was too many. It was too many, and
their names are all ridiculous and unpronounceable. And I was like, na,
not today, not one, but two of Sunnydale High, the
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local high school's principles get eaten. I remember thinking that
that's a very dangerous high school. Oh yeah it yeah,
well in general, I mean it's they're really playing up
the trope of high school as hell. But yeah, um,
the the vampire spike even even once says the people
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are like are like happy meals with legs. That's part
of what he likes them. Well, yeah, I would love
to and this seems right up our alley. I would
love to return and do a whole episode on like
monsters and how in theory like vampires with blood and
zombies eating fresh and brains. I think that would be fun.
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That might say a lot about us. We are both
big fans of the horror genre, so yes, we are,
so maybe one day. Yeah, yeah, that would be a
good Halloween episode if nothing else. Um but but yes,
In terms of what the humans on the show eat,
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uh you know, food and drink on this show are
are most often props to to add visual interest to scenes,
you know, like something for the actors to do with
their hands during all of that exposition, um and and
and to humanize their characters, um you know, like Buffy
and her mom will have a conversation over standing breakfast,
or or the team will be picking at donuts and
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coffee while they're researching the monster of the week. Specific
items of food are occasionally called attention to for humor
or or very occasionally for like a specific plot point.
Um i uh I read or or heard on the
commentary because yes, I'm that guy who listens to the
DVD commentary. Um. Uh, something I miss about DVDs. I
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don't have a Blu ray player yet anyway, Okay, Um
yeah that um. The actor who plays Giles the mentor character,
Anthony Stewart had at least one of the writers or
producers of the show, was like concerned about his about
his eating habits. They were like, Tony, do you have
an eating disorder? Because you keep having food in or
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drinks in every scene, Like every scene that you're in
You're eating something? Are you okay? And he is like,
I use them as props? What I'm just trying to
do something other than fiddle with my glasses all the time.
What do you want from me except British er? Um? Uh?
It is a British character. Um. At one point the uh,
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he asked someone for for for coffee and uh and
they go, you know, white white coffee. You're you're you're
ruining a perfectly good British stereotype about drinking tea and
he just goes tease soothing, I wish to be tense. Um.
It's one of those lines I think about a lot.
That's a great line. Excellent, but yeah, it really is.
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Um often utilized as a as a humanizing part of
the show. Um, like when there there's a there's a
robot that is made to look like Buffy at one point,
the Buffy butt. Um. And when she's trying to be
like a good and like normal human, she makes just
all of these dang peanut butter and jellies, which is
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just stacks and stacks and of them. Um. Uh. Willow.
At one point, one of one of the characters who's
usually a real do good her accidentally gets into some
shenanigans and afterwards she feels bad, so she makes cookies. Um.
The quote is, look cookies a very not evil thing.
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I did oatmeal, eat a cookie. He's my pain. Baking
lifts about of my guilt, but only seven percent of
my inner turmoil. It's such a Willow line and one
that I also feel deeply. I also do definitely like
apology bake. Oh yeah, me too. I've told everybody about
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my apology cheese. That's how cheese giving us started apologizing
to someone with cheese. And now it's just a thing,
it's natural, it lends itself to it. Um. I will
say that also a chocolate and cake and cookies are
very frequent mentioned on the show UM as comfort foods,
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which is interesting to me because because these were I
still are, but especially in the nineties, I think we're
we're very feminine coated food items. And so the fact
that the series kept calling attention to them was kind
of part of their feminizing of um of the main
character Buffy. UM. Also um. Unlike vampires from some other
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vampire lores, these vampires can eat and drink people food um,
and some enjoy doing so, although it's primarily the aforementioned
vampire Spike, which again is this interesting humanizing kind of
thing because of of all the vampire characters, this one
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is supposed to be really riding the line between being
this this demon and being really human um and and
so I think it's it's just a really fascinating, like
writer thing to put in all these references to food
for this character um he uh. He drinks hot chocolate
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at one point and like inquires whether anyone has those
little marshmallow things. Uh. He not once but twice brings
up his love for for onion blossoms, like blooming onions.
That makes so much sense, because when I was researching this,
I kept seeing recipes for blooming onions. I was like,
what because they're pointy? What like? Uh? Yeah? He even um,
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he even shares the recipe for for how to make
them that you that you use cold water to to
get them to to open up and firm up so
that you can then deep fry them, and then threatens
the character that he's just shared the recipe with two
with with a with a solid biting if he tells
anyone that needs so, he cooks them too, or he
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just really appreciates the Yeah, you're right. Uh he asks
for buffalo wings at one point. Uh, he asks, uh,
this character is British as well, and he asks he
asks Chiles at one point if he's got any weed
a box um to put in his blood, because he
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says that he likes the texture. Interesting. Okay, okay, yeah,
why not make up the blood every now and then?
You know, you know, you know, you get you get
tired of the of just drinking. You want something a
little bit solid, right, I got it, I see, I see.
And we were discussing before this, uh we couldn't find
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any solid uh information here nor there about garlic, oh right,
and whether uh it's um it's a deterrent or or
at poison or whatever to two vampires. Certainly it's shown
in the show a lot when people are trying to
ward off vampires. But I don't think it's ever yeah,
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because I like googled it because I was like, do
they ever really mention it? And they don't. Yeah, I
mean it seems like you could have a run in
with some garlic with onion blossoms or buffalo wings. So
I my instinct is that it doesn't really bother them,
but you know, uh, yeah, maybe they're right. It's certainly
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never I mean, like crosses are shown to burn them, um,
but yeah, who knows. Maybe one of our listeners does
and you can let us know. And speaking out this
next thing, Christie gave like three examples to talk about
when she recommended this, and those are the ones I'm
going to talk about. And the first one is Ted's
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mini Pizzas. Yes, yes, a lot of recipes for this
available online. So all the way back in episode eleven
of season two, which was in by the way, um,
we as an audience were introduced to Ted's mini pizzas.
So okay. In this episode, Buffy returns home one night
to find her mother kissing a strange man turns out
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to be salesman named Ted. Her mother is single. This
isn't this isn't like terribly scandalous. It's just she's dating
and she doesn't usually date right, And the way this
episode is set up is definitely one of those things
where it's playing on the whole. Do you just not
like your mother's new boyfriend or is there actually something
going on here? Right? And in you know, in this case,
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is this something going on that he's some kind of demon? Exactly? So, yeah,
Buffy isn't super happy about this. Uh. Ted tells her
he's been dating her mom for a while. Um. Yeah,
she doesn't like the surprise. She doesn't like that he
x kind of like he's out of the fifties. Um,
like really out of the fifties, like the mid century.
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That's fair point in this show, Thank you inties. He
threatens her while they're alone him, but no one believes her.
Again they think, you just don't like this guy. I
don't really believe you. The Scooby Gang as they're called, Um,
they do investigate him. They learned He's never missed a
day of work, He's never gotten sick. Buffy discovers that
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he read her diary and uh. Ted attempts to blackmail
her about being a slayer thing, which her mom doesn't
really know about at that point right not at this point? Yes, Um.
He slaps her and altercation sues that ends with Ted
falling down the stairs dead. Yes, that's the end. No, Um,
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he's Buffy feeling incredibly, incredibly guilty. Um. But her friends
have figured out that the cookies were drugged. It was
kind of like this make you feel peaceful at ease.
I'm gonna like this guy drug and that he's had
four wives go missing since nineteen fifty seven. And Buffy
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finds Ted in her room a live is uh and
they fight again, and Buffy realizes he is not a
demon robot root or seriously misguided robot. I like that
seriously misguided robot. Um. So he manages to escape and
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he gets to his fifty style bunker. They find the
bodies of his four dead wives there. Uh. So it
turns out Ted had been a real person at one time. Um.
He was an unwell, unsuccessful inventor in the fifties. And
Nies who tried to make quote a better Ted, which
was this robot, but the robot didn't seem to be
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better because kidnapped Ted's wife who had left him and
kept her hostage until she died, and then did the
same with women who looked like his wife, his past wife.
And uh after this, Buffy's mom swears off men forever
makes sense to me anyway, this is a food show
once again. He made these mini pizzas for everybody, and
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everyone loves them except for Buffy, especially Zander. Oh yeah, yeah,
Buffy just flat refuses to eat any of Ted's food
because she's which comes off as pretty bratty. She's like, oh,
I'm not hungry, thanks, thanks. It turns out they were trumped,
so hey, sometimes being Braddy pays off. Um yeah yeah,
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he was especially trying to connect with Zander and about
cooking and pizza and works. But yeah, it comes up
later in the show. Uh, I learned a new word
for a trope. What was What is it? Meta? Forgotten?
It's when you forget your metaphor, and so she was
making a metaphor about like beating up vampires, but it
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turned into like and many pizzas and everyone likes the
mini pizzas, and they shown like the mini pizzas. Uh
so it sort of became a metaphor for ted uh. Okay, so,
speaking of pizzas, UM brief mentioned in here for anchovy pizza, UM,
the character Don really loves anchovies on her pizzas. She
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sings a little song about them at one point, which goes,
anchovies anchovies, You're so delicious. I love you more than
all the other fishes. Wow, that's so good. Thank you
for that rendition. You're you're welcome. Uh And this was
apparently written in because UM, one of the producers, I
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believe Jane epsens In UM loves anchovies and chovie. There
are very divisive food. So I'm sure that calls up
like when people like them, it is the thing you
like remember about them? Oh they like anchovies. Oh okay,
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here's another one. Christie recommended. I do remember this episode.
Yeah yeah, Double Meat Burgers up. So in the Double
Meat Palace episode, which was in season six, Buffy takes
a job at Double Meat Palace, which is sort of
a like in color scheme, a very McDonald's desk fast
food restaurant. Uh huh, and and its stick. Is that,
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um that it's got these double meat burgers because double
meat is double sweet or it's a double treat. M hmm,
it's one of those things. Are there's a rhyming slogan involved.
M hmmm. And as you said, Lauren Slaying is unpaid,
so she had to take this job. And yes, their
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top seller is the double meat medley, which is a
beef patty, a slice of quote processed chicken product, and
a secret ingredients is it soil and green? A double
meat burgers? People are they? After noticing that some of
her fellow employees have seemingly disappeared, and when she finds
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out finger and the meat grinder, Buffy begins to suspect
the secret ingredient is in fact people. She gets fired
after she she runs out and is telling all the
patrons in the dining area about her suspicions. Um, she
has Willow analyzed the ingredients and drum roll, it is
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not people. It's not even meat. Nope, Nope, it's silly
loase it's vegetable protein. Yeah. Um. As Madeline Davies over
at Eater pointed out when this episode came out in
two thousand two, there were plant based burgers around. Um,
but they hadn't really entered the fast food market yet,
so this was like pretty impossible burger and beyond burger,
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so went away. The Double Meat Palace was ahead of
its time. And if you're worried, Buffy did get her
job back, although I guess you could argue the pros
and cons of that at this particular establishment. And a
monster was behind the missing employees and the face of course,
yes the monster was eating humans, yes, but but but
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no one else was except for maybe a little bit
that got into the meat grinder. Yes, that is the
Double Meat Burger. Um. And I guess on that note,
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we we do have, um, we do have more food
of Buffy for you. Um. But first we've got a
quick break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back.
Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. Okay. I wanted to
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put in a brief note here about not food within Buffy,
but food from the actor played Buffy, Sarah Michelle geller Um.
She published a cookbook back in It's called Stirring Up
Fun with Food, and it's it's a lot of family
friendly recipes to make food more fun and creative for kids.
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Because her and her husband, Freddie Prince Jr. Have two kids,
and she says that she had to like seriously do
some do some learning in the kitchen um when the
kids came along, Um and Annie. It features a menu
for Star Wars Day, including chewy cookies. Um. Apparently Sarah
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Michelle and apparently the whole family or fans. Um. Freddie
does a voice acting for for Star Wars as the
Jedi Canaan. Um. Sarah Michelle shows up in Uh the
show rebels as well. Um. So I didn't know Freddie
French Jr. Was in the Star Wars universe. And I
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saw the most recent film Rise with Skywalker. I was
sitting through the credits and I saw his name pop
up and the credits as a voice. And I turned
to my friend and I said, so seriously, Freddie Prince Jedi.
So that's what I call him now. Um. Also Laura knows.
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But one of my quarantine projects is I'm keeping track
of how many Star Wars references I encounter in a day.
I've been doing this since May. I have some serious data,
but you've given me several right here. And also right
before we start recording, I remembered the theme song for
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Buffy was by the Nerve Herders, which is a Star
Wars reference. The name of the band is a Star
Wars reference. Yes, yes, that puts me up to like
eleven today already. So dang well, I'm always glad to help.
Thank you that that really gave my day a boost. Thing.
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Oh and if you haven't watched Star Wars Rebels, you
totally should. I I really enjoy that show. It's super
it's super fun. Yeah, I've been meaning to. I know,
I like them. I get kind of nervous with TV
shows that I know I'm going to have to finish
because I'm also I'll stay up all night and I
just know it's going to be a big thing to
embark on, so I'm waiting to be ready to But yeah,
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I definitely want to check it out. And what's the
other one I want to see? Clone Wars? Oh? Yeah?
Also great? Also great? Yes, high quality must But okay
back to Buffy. Yes, and uh, this is another one,
Christie said, and it's band Candy. H this is one
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of my favorite episodes probably, Oh I remember this one too.
Um and this it took me back because Lauren and
Andrew recently were subjected to some of my very dramatic
marching band memories, and I have so many. I did
have to sell these chocolate bars and lollipops and own
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nuts to raise money for our band uniforms, so this
hit close to home. Yeah, yeah, I would love to
have just a we need to do our We're vaguely
talking about doing random Saturday shows that aren't food related,
which I'm sure will never happen, but if we did,
I want to do one that's just me complaining about
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marching band. Yeah. Oh I'm into it. Oh man, we can.
We could do a whole other one of me complaining
about yearbook. It would be great. Yes, okay, all right,
maybe Quarantine project in the future. But yes, back to
band candy. In the world of Buffy, this is the
title of the sixth episode in season three, and the
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principle passes out boxes of milk bar chocolate for the
students to sell to raise money for the band uniforms,
not just to the banned students, all the students. Because
this this particular principal, portrayed uh gorgeously by arm and Shimmerman,
who also plays Quirk in Deep Space nine, um is
(34:17):
is just it's just a real just a real nasty
little guy. Uh and oh oh oh indeed, so yeah,
I remember being like, why he's just passing these out
to non band students. Um, so often happens. Buffy sells
half her candy to her mom, and she sells the
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other half to Giles, which is sort of her mentor
also often happens um and both learn that she's lied
to them about her whereabouts because they're kind of overscheduling her, um,
trying to keep her on track like s A T
S and slaying practice all this stuff. And in their
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stress of finding this out, they eat some of the
chocolate and the next day Buffy you notice is some
out of character behavior from the both of them. Giles
is late, he's smoking. Her mom pulls out a bottle
of Khalua and gives Buffy the keys to her car
when she'd earlier refused to allow Buffy to even get
(35:18):
a license. Giles starts going by Ripper, which is his
like like like like bad boy youth name exactly yep uh. Later,
Buffy and Willow go to to a glove the Bronze,
and it's just packed with adults acting like teenagers, including
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the principle and they're all They all seem to be
shoving their faces with these candy birds, leading the Scooby
Gang to suspect that they are the candy bars are
behind this behavior, and the situation really escalates. Giles beats
up a cop and steals his car and all of
his stuff. He and Buffy's mom make out on the
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hood of the are It's more than makeout, Buffy finds
out later during this one period of time when she
can read people's thoughts. Yeah, they mentioned this in several episodes.
It's one of those things. Yeah, it actually turns really sweet.
But but at any rate, please please continue. Yes, um. So,
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Buffy investigates the factory that manufactures the candy bars and
interrogates the person running it until he admits that the
candy is a part of a plot to render the
adults kind of uncaring while a demon eats babies as
you do. Pretty much. Yeah, um and the batty here
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um not the demon, but the but the dude running
the candy factory was one of giles old friends from
his Ripper days, one one Ethan rain Um, who also
shows up in another candy related episode. Um the the
Helloween episode from season two, the name of which I
did not look up. Um, candy doesn't really fit into
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his plot that time. Um, But but Xander does give
a group of young tricker treaters advice on how to
us Slee's extra candy from from the houses that they
hit up. Ah those days, be a kid just trying
to get the most candy that you can. Yeah. I
also love how in the at least the synopsis I
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was reading on I think it was the Buffy Wicky
fandom for this episode, it's Buffy and teterrogates Ethan with
her fist and he yep, that's so yep. I love
the phrasing of that. So this one I actually found
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on my own and I don't remember this episode at all,
but oh it is unmemorable, so that's fair. Okay, yeah, yeah,
we'll talk about that more in a minute. But the
episode in question here is Beer Bad, which is an
episode five UM season four. Buffy is not handling a
recent breakup well, uh, so she goes to the bar
(38:08):
that Xander recently got a job in as a bartender.
I think he fake with a fake idea, I believe, yeah,
because none of them are of age at this point right,
um to drink her stars away with a beer called
black Frost. So she gets drunk with a group of
college dudes. Later wakes up not feeling so hot, but
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that doesn't stop her from going back drinking even more
that night, um, until Xander makes her go home, only
to find that her drinking buddies are now aggressive Neanderthals. Yes, yes,
you know how it goes. Turns out the pub's owner
has been using a chemical lab to brew this revenge
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beer in retaliation for all the stuff college kids and
put him through over the years. Also as you do. Yeah, okay,
so yes, there is a lot of controversy around this episode.
A lot of folks regarded as one of the worst
episodes ever. Um. Some international viewers called out what they
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saw as American puritanicalism. Alcohol and casual sex are bad
that kind of messaging. Um, I believe. Josh Sweden was
even asked about it, and and he was like, you know,
some of them don't turn out that you thought they
would on paper. But um, apparently the episode was written
with the original intent of cashing in on some US
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government subsidies provided to entertainment that had this anti drug message. Yeah,
and and people involved in this program at the White
House would read scripts. Um. Yeah, and this was like
a big secret hardly anyone knew about. I mean a
handful of people knew about it until Salon reported on
(39:58):
it after investigating for I think six months. Um. It
caused this huge up war. Some we're calling it propaganda,
mind control. Um beer bad. Though this was like an
official memo report. I was reading this episode of Buffy
the Vampire Slayer was rejected like in this memo uh
for funding. As someone who helped make the decision said
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drugs were an issue, but it wasn't on strategy. It
was otherworldly nonsense, very abstract and not like real life
kids taking drugs. Humors wouldn't make the link to our message.
Other worldly nonsense. Oh wow, that I mean fair fair Yeah,
(40:47):
I mean I think I would have gotten a message though.
It's pretty you know. And I was thinking about this,
and and I would say that that overall throughout the series,
the way that drinking and a use is portrayed, UM
is very cautious. Um. It's it's certainly portrayed as negative
for the underage characters. UM. Throughout the series of both
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Magic and Vampirism, are used as metaphors. They're portrayed as
addictive and destructive, you know, like only the bad guys
smoke cigarettes, and only when you know they're just casually
trying to be like, right evil, I'm smoking um uh.
After after the characters are of age, they are occasionally
shown drinking, but only like casually. Um. At one point,
(41:31):
the character Annya, who happens to be a thousand year
old vengeance demon who looks like like a late teenager
maybe maybe in our early twenties. Um. She she's at
one point unable to order a drink, an alcoholic drink
at the Bronze because she doesn't have I d um
so so you know, like they usually stay on top
of it. So I I think that that government reader
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should have considered more deeply he should of this beer
bad episode. Uh. Yeah it was. It was a totally
fascinating unexpected rabbit hole. And they had a list of
all the shows that like got money. They got like
millions of dollars, like the Drew Carey show, Wayne's Brothers
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uh and the episodes that got the funding. So if
you want to look into it, it was fascinating to me. Um,
But I also want to say, not all bad. This
episode was nominated for an Emmy for Outstanding Hairstyling in
the Series, so take that, haters. Uh. This is extra
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funny because because the the hairstyling in question is that
as Buffy regresses into like this knee and call Buffy state,
her hair just gets like big wacky cave person hair. Uh.
I'm I'm saying that as though it means something real,
(43:03):
but it's it's just like this like giant like sticks
and leaves, kind of kind of boof of hair. Um. Uh.
So I you know, I appreciate that the people behind
the Emmy's really appreciated that recognize greatness when they see it. Yeah. Yeah, Um.
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I wanted to put in here another episode that that
does deal explicitly about food. Um. The Thanksgiving episode Payings um.
And this is season four, episode eight that the plot
revolves around Buffy attempting to host her own Thanksgiving because
her mother is out of town for Thanksgiving that year. Um.
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And you know she she's also just graduated high school.
So it's kind of playing on that thing that many
of his experience when we're kind of on our own
for the first time trying to do this grown up thing.
Um and and literally everything that could go wrong does,
like up to and including the vengeful spirits of wronged
Native Americans cursing in or killing people in ways reminiscent
(44:11):
of the ways that colonizers harmed them. Wow as you do. Yeah,
um and and this is this is real awkward, y'all. Um,
but you know this show is trying to deal with
it reflexively. Um. Like, the spirits come to life in
the first place when ground is broken for a new
cultural center, which disturbs a sacred Native site. So they're
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making an effort like and and like the characters all
feel conflicted about fighting the spirits because they're like, no,
you were the ones who were in the right in
the first Oh, you're trying to kill us, okay. Um.
One character, again, willow Is, is conflicted about celebrating Thanksgiving
in general because of all of the wrongs that colonizers
did too Native people. Um. She says, it's a it's
(44:59):
a sham. Buffy replies, but it's a sham with yams.
It's a it's a yam sham sham. H. Food comes
up a lot because they're you know, making a Thanksgiving dinner. Um.
Uh Anya, the aforementioned thousand year old vengeance demon, um,
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insists that Thanksgiving is a great ritual sacrifice kind of
holiday and that she loves that sort of thing, and
upon being challenged, they're like, this is not a ritual sacrifice.
She says, to commemorate a past event, you kill and
eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice with pie. Hard
to argue with that, correct Um, And and a few
(45:43):
more little ones to kind of to kind of wrap up, Um.
I did want to put in that the demons of
this series do not only eat people. Um. Kittens are
also a popular demon snack. Not cats with kittens, but
kitten kittens specifically. Yeah, oh gosh, Yeah, there's a there's
a quote. At one point a demon is saying like,
(46:06):
hey to another demon, like, hey, pay up those kittens
you owe me. The second demon goes like, goes like,
but but I just need a little more time, okay,
And the first one goes, time is what turns kittens
into cats. See, this is what I want to see.
I always want to see the goofy, Like, I want
to see that demon trying to catch kittens, you know
(46:26):
what I mean? That's what I want. Yeah, Yeah, one
of one of the demons that they're that they try
to humanize a little bit. Um. The demon's name is
clem Um. He actually gives up his kitten habit because
because I think it's a combination of like they're a
little bit too caloric, um. Uh, like he was watching
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his cholesterol, you know. And and also he feels bad
about it, Okay, but it's primarily I think I got it. Um.
One of the uh, one of the great mysteries of
the series is the cheese Man. Not the cheese man, Yes,
(47:13):
the cheese man. He this is this is a dude
who shows up um in in the dreams of four
of the main characters in the episode Restless, which is
the finale of season four. And it's just this guy
in a suit, unassuming guy who's who's carrying around slices
(47:35):
of American cheese, like little square slices, you know. Um.
And he's never explained huh never, never a great mystery. Indeed, well,
cheese is a mystery. Cheese is a fabulous mystery. Um
(48:02):
and uh and I guess I guess I want to
to to finish out this episode, uh with a reference
from the finale of the show in which Buffy refers
to herself as cookie Dough. She she says, she she's
trying to explain too long time flame, uh sometime vampire angel,
(48:27):
that you know, she's not ready to to to to
settle down with him or with anyone um, or to
make any serious choices about her life because she is
still growing up um. And she says, Okay, I'm cookie dough.
I'm not done baking. I'm not finished becoming whoever the
hell it is I'm going to turn out to be.
I make it through this and the next thing and
(48:47):
the next thing, and maybe one day I turn around
and realize I'm ready. I'm cookies. And then you know,
if I want someone to eat or enjoy warm it's
just cooking me, then that's fine. That'll be then when
I'm done beautiful it is really Yeah, that's another line
(49:15):
that I think about a lot of, Like maybe I'm
still cookie though, and maybe that's okay, cookie does great
it is. Oh yeah, this has been a fun one
for sure. Yeah I did when I mentioned I didn't.
It's like a super short thing. But there's also that
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picture of Buffy and her sushi Pizona pajamas. Yeah, she's
like saying all these tough things, and she's like, that
would have sounded formidating. I wasn't in my happy, happy
sushi pajamas. Yeah. I often feel that way, like cookie
(49:58):
dough or like I'm in my trying to be scary
in my happy sushi pajamas. Yeah. Yeah, but it's it's
very relatable. Oh absolutely it is. That's about what we
have to say about the food of Buffy. That is
um And we do have some listener mail for you,
(50:19):
but first we've got one more quick break forward from
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and we're back with this norm. So how it goes
(50:42):
it's basically how it goes. Perfect Again. By the time
I realized what you were doing, I was laughing too
hard to really to really get into it. But yes,
I try. I try so, Andrea, And yeah, I know
if some people say it differently wrote about a Rock
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four episode. Through my quick internet search, I found that
the term rock comes from the term rock or rook.
Any Chess fan will recognize that a rook is a
fortified castle. The cheese is made in the city of
rock Force or Susan. The strongly fortified castle on the
Sulson River. My husband and I visited the Rock for
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Caves decades ago. My palate was less varied, and I
was at first repulsed by the pungent odor. But the
cheese was so fresh and delicious. I would highly recommend
you taste local cheeses of your region. There's such a
difference between fresh and packaged cheeses. We wandered the French
countryside eating bread, cheese and tomatoes. What could be better?
(51:48):
How much um? During the tour of the caves, we
were showing a video describing the story of cheesemaking in
Rock For The audio was in French. We were trying
to translate using our phrase book and our knowledge of
Spanish and Italian for in justest geographically in between so
linguistically not so much. All of this in we heard
with great dramatics, raw to fromage, King of Cheese. From
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that point on, we um, and now our kids shout
every time we taste delicious cheese, raw to fromage, which
is excellent. That is excellent. Also, one of the words
I have the most difficulty saying is roar like a lion.
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And oh this when I was in French raw is
close to it. Uh, And we did. Ah. I don't
know why, but we we did a whole thing on
the Lion King the movie. So I had to pay
it like so many times, and every time I would
just like stumble and mess it up. And so I
have sort of I love this saying though, like just
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shouting King of Cheese these That's excellent, that is see.
I started souting cinnamon roll. That's my thing. Now. I
don't shout enough when I'm eating food. Oh, you've got
to change that, Lauren. I do, I do. I'll work
on it and I'll update you. Okay, good. I'm sure
my neighbors are like, oh, she has lost it in quarantine.
(53:22):
She's just shouting random food names, haven't we all? Though?
I mean haven't haven't? Ali wrote, I just finished your
Easter episode when I was reminded of a local holiday
here in Utah. As a recent transplant to the state,
I was baffled when I learned of a state holiday
on July called Pioneer Day. Most Utahs receive this day
(53:46):
off of work. It celebrates the arrival of the morbid
Pioneers to Utah. What does that have to do with food?
You ask, well, after the parade festivities are over, if
you aren't Mormon, you had to a local eatery to
celebrate the unofficial Pie and Beer Day. Local breweries and
a dessert slash pizza makers put their wits together to
come up with many a creative and unusual combo. I've
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also recently gone down a movie rabbit hole for be
horror films starring food as the monster I can recommend
if you haven't watched Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, Attack
of the Killer Donuts, and in Human Witch. I have
seen the other two, but I have not seen in
Human Witch, So thank you. Yes, be horror film recommendations always, Well,
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you could not tell clearly in the Buffy episode, I
think we're our colors are showing yes please. And also
Pie and Beer Day. That sounds fantastic, and um, Lauren
and I went on a very long tangent about Supernatural. Uh,
in these ad breaks that we take for no apparent reason,
(54:55):
we actually take and I was wondering, like, well, when
Supernatural finally ends there in their fift and fine season,
what episodes should we do then? And Dean loves pie
and beer. Oh there's a there's something there, there is,
what there is? Maybe it'll finally be time for our
Burger episode. Oh yeah, there's a So I believe I
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gave you that Buffy book. Um, Samantha over on Sminty,
I gave her a supernatural cookbook. So I have to
ask her if there's any good recipes or things in there. Yeah, yeah,
and I'll check them. The book you gave me is
um they put out like like like a like Willows
(55:43):
like guide to Demons and stuff. Um, and uh, so
I'll check and see if there's recipes in there. Yeah. Yes,
another thing to report back on us. And if any
of you, I know some of you listeners have sent
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in recipes from the geeky nerdy things that we talked
about on here, always send those. We love them. Yea.
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your way.
Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio.
I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Fogelbaum, and today we're
talking about food and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. You heard
that correctly, listeners, Food and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. This
was a suggestion from listener Christie High Christie. Lauren absolutely
(00:30):
jumped on. Um yep. I was like, well, that's the one.
That's the one for this week. I am so excited
about this. And I know I say that in every
episode and it's true in every episode, but I'm excited
for a different reason in this one because a lot
of times we talk about things where I know you've
probably experienced this to Lauren, where you do the research,
(00:50):
but it's just different than like living in that world
and knowing it and yeah, and being able to write.
It's the difference between like just following all of these
lines of of of inquiry that you that you find
reference to and having those lines of inquiry yourself and
exactly more or less being able to answer them off
(01:12):
the top of your head. Exactly. But most of the
time I feel like you and I are on a
very similar wavelength, like maybe one of us has a
little bit more experience, but not much. But this is
the time where I'm so excited because I feel like
the stuff that I've written you might be able to
correct me or be like well, and also because you
(01:32):
have so much more knowledge of it than I do. Yes,
I have. I have some Buffy knowledge in my head
that if that would be inaccurate. But but but you
you watched it too. I did, and it's actually one
of a handful of shows that I watched on TV
every episode. Yeah. Um, I was kind of young ish though,
(01:58):
and um, there's some things I remember super well. I
remember that like song They're coming for You, You're gonna
die screaming, but you won't be heard. I still remember
that really well, from from from Hush right. Yes, and
then I've often said that the Body, the one where
Buffy's mom dies, is one of the best episodes I've
ever seen on television. Uh yeah, a spoiler alert, it
(02:24):
was it it's over twenty years old. But okay, so
fair fair. I was like, good, I just pearl clutched.
Um okay, but but yes, um, for sure, that episode
is just extraordinarily well done. Um. They they chose to
do the episode completely without soundtrack as one of the
(02:45):
ways to to really drive home uh grief and especially
that very early grief process. Yeah yeah, like ringing sounds. Um.
I did rewatch the whole series about like six or
seven years ago, whenever that big like we had those
two snow apocalypses. I, um, I rewatched it in there.
(03:06):
But as I recently told Lauren off Mike, I'm one
of the worst people to watch things with because I'm
always doing a million other things. So I kind of
feel like I halfway watched him and halfway did it.
That's about where I am. Um, I do love it.
I love it. Oh yeah. I actually missed the Buffy
(03:27):
Train while it was originally airing. For the most part,
um I I didn't. I didn't catch on until until
my friends Kate and Gabe sat me down and made
me watch the musical episode, which is from season six.
UM and they and like like paused it to explain
all the references. They were like, no, you will like
this show. You should be watching it. Here is why,
(03:50):
and uh this this was only like a little bit
after it aired. Um. I was finally convinced that that
watching the whole thing was worth it. I UM but
of course this was you know, as it was airing
in what was that, like like two thousand two, um,
I think. And so this was before like way before
(04:11):
streaming services. It was before the show was even out
on DVD at all. Um, it was only on VHS
and I was a broke college student. So um. So
the way that I watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer is
that my friend Aaron kindly sent me boxes and boxes
of VHS tapes that he had recorded off of broadcast television.
(04:35):
Oh that is a solid friend. And I did the
same for a friend of mine was Supernatural for a while.
Oh man, Oh yeah that is that. That is that
is a that is a heckend solid friend right there.
Um um, and I did. I went through through those
tapes and like a very short period of time. U
(05:00):
I yeah, I loved it. Um. And I will say
that i've since then, uh you know, I finished watching
the series as it aired and then uh uh yeah,
I've watched it all the way through. I'm going to
say at least three times. Um. Uh. I tend to
when I get obsessive about something, I just reconsume it,
(05:25):
kind of trying to to pick it apart and see
how it's working. Um. Especially yeah, when when something either
emotionally affects me or if I just appreciate the way
that it was written, I really want to break it
down in my head and so I just reconsume it.
It's also like a comfort thing, like if I'm trying
to go to sleep and I just want something to
help me turn my brain off, I'll just push something
(05:46):
that I'm super familiar with, which is how I can
say shout out to uh to the DVD menu music
being horrifyingly startling um and that therefore not really being
a great way to fall asleep at all. So thanks
(06:06):
for nothing. Whoever made those DVD menues, they knew what
was up. They knew. It's like the meaner version of
are you still watching with Netflix? Oh yeah, oh my gosh,
uh yeah if if if if, are you still watching?
Like yelled at you? Yeah exactly um uh. And I
(06:34):
do have a reputation around the office for for being
this Buffy fan. Um. I went on sminty uh stuff,
Mom never told you right towards the end of Kristen
Carolines Run um November in order to talk about to
talk about the series and how in some ways it's
great and you know, ahead of its time in terms
(06:55):
of feminism um or a product of its time, i'd say,
in terms of feminism ahead of its time on te
tlevision perhaps, um. And how it's been so positively influential
on especially like sci fi fantasy genre TV and film. Um.
You know, like it was one of the first series
that uh, that really combined humor and drama and this
(07:21):
sci fi element in a way that I think has
been endlessly reproduced since then. People were suddenly like, oh,
you can do this and it's great, Let's definitely do
more of that. And I'm like, thank you, yes, um uh.
And you know how in other ways it's actually still
pretty sexist, um and really racist in a lot of times. Um.
(07:42):
And you know, it's just generally far from perfect. Um.
I think in that episode of Spiny, I used the
word problematic like about fifteen times. Yeah. Yeah, you were
the you were the producer at that point, so you
may may remember, well, you know I did used to
do that, and not in a like mean way, but
(08:02):
I would if people said certain words, I would just
count it a lot. But I think problematic for that
show is probably one of the number one words. So
you don't need to worry about it. You're in good company. Oh,
that's that's fair. It is definitely a part of the
modern discourse. Yes, yes, it is, UM. And I gave
(08:23):
you that forward game that we've unfortunately haven't gotten to play.
We haven't. Oh yeah, because that was kind of just
before um, I mean relatively, just before COVID happened. Yeah, yeah,
one day, one day. Yes, And I guess this brings
(08:44):
us to our question. Yes, foods a Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
What are they? Um? Oh well, uh, let's let's start
with with what Buffy is. Okay, okay, because you know
(09:06):
what food is hypothetically, um, but I hope it's not.
I confused about what you're doing listening to this show
and probably a number of other things as well. But yes, um.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a TV show UM that
ran from through two thousand three. That's seven seasons with
(09:27):
the episodes each aside from the first season, which was shorter. Um.
It's an our format broadcast show, so you know, like
forty two minute runtime per episode something in there. It
was created by Joss wheden Um, who was also the
writer of the film of the same name, UM, which
is treated as kind of like a prequel by the series. UM.
(09:49):
Different cast, different mood, The direction of that one went
in different places, for sure, an interesting film. I will say, Uh, tone,
I have a I have a suspicion about what that means.
So I've never seen it. Oh my heck, you've never Okay,
(10:11):
all right, this is that is the next movie night?
What is up right? Okay? Or I mean I don't
want to dominate the now I got on Zombie Island.
It's somebody else's turn, all right. Paul Rubens in that
film is doing the work, and I appreciate it. I'm
excited anyway. So anyway, it was it was kind of
(10:36):
Whedon's way of redeveloping that concept the series UM. And
then after the series was over, the plot was continued
UM in a series of comic books that added another
five cannon seasons. I didn't know is that many? Yeah,
I mean neither. Uh, that's a that's a different We're
not a culture show. I'm not going to just give
(10:59):
you my opinions about the comic books anyway. UM. So yes,
the show is is the story of a teenage girl
who is who is called who has chosen to be
a slayer um. And in the show's mythos, this is
like a superpowered female human whose job, unpaid job, I
will add um, is to protect humanity from from vampires
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and assorted other demons. And the show uses this premise
to to make commentary about and poke fun at um
the horror genre as a whole, um, and to make
commentary about society and the expectations and assumptions that it
has for us, um as we're coming of age. And
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by us I mean mostly middle class white people, which
is one of the show's failings. Um. But but anyway, um,
because yeah, this particular slayer isn't what anyone expects her
to be, right down to her name, um Buffy, and
you know she she takes her calling seriously, but she
also takes herself seriously, her family and friends and dating
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life and extracurriculars and like lip gloss collection. It's it's
a very very third wave feminism. Um. You know, Buffy's
personal life and personality as a distinctly feminine woman are
expected to be a hindrance to her her job, but
she turns them into assets because girl power yeah. Yeah. Uh,
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but hey, we're a food show. Um, accordedly, I say again. Uh,
and because Buffy is a show about people being uh
people ee uh in a in a weedonism kind of phrase, Um,
it does feature people eating. Yes, yes, so let's talk
about some of the foods in here. And also I
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suppose we could say start with one that non people
are eating people, right, yeah, yeah, you know what I
got to thinking about this, Like the whole series is
obliquely about food. Uh. You know, part of the horror
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of vampires is that they're higher on the food chain
than humans are. Um. Lots of other demons featured in
the series eat humans too. Um. I was, I was
starting to make a list, and then I just stopped
because it was too many. It was too many, and
their names are all ridiculous and unpronounceable. And I was like, na,
not today, not one, but two of Sunnydale High, the
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local high school's principles get eaten. I remember thinking that
that's a very dangerous high school. Oh yeah it yeah,
well in general, I mean it's they're really playing up
the trope of high school as hell. But yeah, um,
the the vampire spike even even once says the people
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are like are like happy meals with legs. That's part
of what he likes them. Well, yeah, I would love
to and this seems right up our alley. I would
love to return and do a whole episode on like
monsters and how in theory like vampires with blood and
zombies eating fresh and brains. I think that would be fun.
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That might say a lot about us. We are both
big fans of the horror genre, so yes, we are,
so maybe one day. Yeah, yeah, that would be a
good Halloween episode if nothing else. Um but but yes,
In terms of what the humans on the show eat,
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uh you know, food and drink on this show are
are most often props to to add visual interest to scenes,
you know, like something for the actors to do with
their hands during all of that exposition, um and and
and to humanize their characters, um you know, like Buffy
and her mom will have a conversation over standing breakfast,
or or the team will be picking at donuts and
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coffee while they're researching the monster of the week. Specific
items of food are occasionally called attention to for humor
or or very occasionally for like a specific plot point.
Um i uh I read or or heard on the
commentary because yes, I'm that guy who listens to the
DVD commentary. Um. Uh, something I miss about DVDs. I
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don't have a Blu ray player yet anyway, Okay, Um
yeah that um. The actor who plays Giles the mentor character,
Anthony Stewart had at least one of the writers or
producers of the show, was like concerned about his about
his eating habits. They were like, Tony, do you have
an eating disorder? Because you keep having food in or
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drinks in every scene, Like every scene that you're in
You're eating something? Are you okay? And he is like,
I use them as props? What I'm just trying to
do something other than fiddle with my glasses all the time.
What do you want from me except British er? Um? Uh?
It is a British character. Um. At one point the uh,
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he asked someone for for for coffee and uh and
they go, you know, white white coffee. You're you're you're
ruining a perfectly good British stereotype about drinking tea and
he just goes tease soothing, I wish to be tense. Um.
It's one of those lines I think about a lot.
That's a great line. Excellent, but yeah, it really is.
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Um often utilized as a as a humanizing part of
the show. Um, like when there there's a there's a
robot that is made to look like Buffy at one point,
the Buffy butt. Um. And when she's trying to be
like a good and like normal human, she makes just
all of these dang peanut butter and jellies, which is
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just stacks and stacks and of them. Um. Uh. Willow.
At one point, one of one of the characters who's
usually a real do good her accidentally gets into some
shenanigans and afterwards she feels bad, so she makes cookies. Um.
The quote is, look cookies a very not evil thing.
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I did oatmeal, eat a cookie. He's my pain. Baking
lifts about of my guilt, but only seven percent of
my inner turmoil. It's such a Willow line and one
that I also feel deeply. I also do definitely like
apology bake. Oh yeah, me too. I've told everybody about
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my apology cheese. That's how cheese giving us started apologizing
to someone with cheese. And now it's just a thing,
it's natural, it lends itself to it. Um. I will
say that also a chocolate and cake and cookies are
very frequent mentioned on the show UM as comfort foods,
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which is interesting to me because because these were I
still are, but especially in the nineties, I think we're
we're very feminine coated food items. And so the fact
that the series kept calling attention to them was kind
of part of their feminizing of um of the main
character Buffy. UM. Also um. Unlike vampires from some other
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vampire lores, these vampires can eat and drink people food um,
and some enjoy doing so, although it's primarily the aforementioned
vampire Spike, which again is this interesting humanizing kind of
thing because of of all the vampire characters, this one
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is supposed to be really riding the line between being
this this demon and being really human um and and
so I think it's it's just a really fascinating, like
writer thing to put in all these references to food
for this character um he uh. He drinks hot chocolate
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at one point and like inquires whether anyone has those
little marshmallow things. Uh. He not once but twice brings
up his love for for onion blossoms, like blooming onions.
That makes so much sense, because when I was researching this,
I kept seeing recipes for blooming onions. I was like,
what because they're pointy? What like? Uh? Yeah? He even um,
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he even shares the recipe for for how to make
them that you that you use cold water to to
get them to to open up and firm up so
that you can then deep fry them, and then threatens
the character that he's just shared the recipe with two
with with a with a solid biting if he tells
anyone that needs so, he cooks them too, or he
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just really appreciates the Yeah, you're right. Uh he asks
for buffalo wings at one point. Uh, he asks, uh,
this character is British as well, and he asks he
asks Chiles at one point if he's got any weed
a box um to put in his blood, because he
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says that he likes the texture. Interesting. Okay, okay, yeah,
why not make up the blood every now and then?
You know, you know, you know, you get you get
tired of the of just drinking. You want something a
little bit solid, right, I got it, I see, I see.
And we were discussing before this, uh we couldn't find
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any solid uh information here nor there about garlic, oh right,
and whether uh it's um it's a deterrent or or
at poison or whatever to two vampires. Certainly it's shown
in the show a lot when people are trying to
ward off vampires. But I don't think it's ever yeah,
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because I like googled it because I was like, do
they ever really mention it? And they don't. Yeah, I
mean it seems like you could have a run in
with some garlic with onion blossoms or buffalo wings. So
I my instinct is that it doesn't really bother them,
but you know, uh, yeah, maybe they're right. It's certainly
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never I mean, like crosses are shown to burn them, um,
but yeah, who knows. Maybe one of our listeners does
and you can let us know. And speaking out this
next thing, Christie gave like three examples to talk about
when she recommended this, and those are the ones I'm
going to talk about. And the first one is Ted's
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mini Pizzas. Yes, yes, a lot of recipes for this
available online. So all the way back in episode eleven
of season two, which was in by the way, um,
we as an audience were introduced to Ted's mini pizzas.
So okay. In this episode, Buffy returns home one night
to find her mother kissing a strange man turns out
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to be salesman named Ted. Her mother is single. This
isn't this isn't like terribly scandalous. It's just she's dating
and she doesn't usually date right, And the way this
episode is set up is definitely one of those things
where it's playing on the whole. Do you just not
like your mother's new boyfriend or is there actually something
going on here? Right? And in you know, in this case,
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is this something going on that he's some kind of demon? Exactly? So, yeah,
Buffy isn't super happy about this. Uh. Ted tells her
he's been dating her mom for a while. Um. Yeah,
she doesn't like the surprise. She doesn't like that he
x kind of like he's out of the fifties. Um,
like really out of the fifties, like the mid century.
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That's fair point in this show, Thank you inties. He
threatens her while they're alone him, but no one believes her.
Again they think, you just don't like this guy. I
don't really believe you. The Scooby Gang as they're called, Um,
they do investigate him. They learned He's never missed a
day of work, He's never gotten sick. Buffy discovers that
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he read her diary and uh. Ted attempts to blackmail
her about being a slayer thing, which her mom doesn't
really know about at that point right not at this point? Yes, Um.
He slaps her and altercation sues that ends with Ted
falling down the stairs dead. Yes, that's the end. No, Um,
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he's Buffy feeling incredibly, incredibly guilty. Um. But her friends
have figured out that the cookies were drugged. It was
kind of like this make you feel peaceful at ease.
I'm gonna like this guy drug and that he's had
four wives go missing since nineteen fifty seven. And Buffy
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finds Ted in her room a live is uh and
they fight again, and Buffy realizes he is not a
demon robot root or seriously misguided robot. I like that
seriously misguided robot. Um. So he manages to escape and
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he gets to his fifty style bunker. They find the
bodies of his four dead wives there. Uh. So it
turns out Ted had been a real person at one time. Um.
He was an unwell, unsuccessful inventor in the fifties. And
Nies who tried to make quote a better Ted, which
was this robot, but the robot didn't seem to be
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better because kidnapped Ted's wife who had left him and
kept her hostage until she died, and then did the
same with women who looked like his wife, his past wife.
And uh after this, Buffy's mom swears off men forever
makes sense to me anyway, this is a food show
once again. He made these mini pizzas for everybody, and
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everyone loves them except for Buffy, especially Zander. Oh yeah, yeah,
Buffy just flat refuses to eat any of Ted's food
because she's which comes off as pretty bratty. She's like, oh,
I'm not hungry, thanks, thanks. It turns out they were trumped,
so hey, sometimes being Braddy pays off. Um yeah yeah,
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he was especially trying to connect with Zander and about
cooking and pizza and works. But yeah, it comes up
later in the show. Uh, I learned a new word
for a trope. What was What is it? Meta? Forgotten?
It's when you forget your metaphor, and so she was
making a metaphor about like beating up vampires, but it
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turned into like and many pizzas and everyone likes the
mini pizzas, and they shown like the mini pizzas. Uh
so it sort of became a metaphor for ted uh. Okay, so,
speaking of pizzas, UM brief mentioned in here for anchovy pizza, UM,
the character Don really loves anchovies on her pizzas. She
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sings a little song about them at one point, which goes,
anchovies anchovies, You're so delicious. I love you more than
all the other fishes. Wow, that's so good. Thank you
for that rendition. You're you're welcome. Uh And this was
apparently written in because UM, one of the producers, I
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believe Jane epsens In UM loves anchovies and chovie. There
are very divisive food. So I'm sure that calls up
like when people like them, it is the thing you
like remember about them? Oh they like anchovies. Oh okay,
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here's another one. Christie recommended. I do remember this episode.
Yeah yeah, Double Meat Burgers up. So in the Double
Meat Palace episode, which was in season six, Buffy takes
a job at Double Meat Palace, which is sort of
a like in color scheme, a very McDonald's desk fast
food restaurant. Uh huh, and and its stick. Is that,
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um that it's got these double meat burgers because double
meat is double sweet or it's a double treat. M hmm,
it's one of those things. Are there's a rhyming slogan involved.
M hmmm. And as you said, Lauren Slaying is unpaid,
so she had to take this job. And yes, their
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top seller is the double meat medley, which is a
beef patty, a slice of quote processed chicken product, and
a secret ingredients is it soil and green? A double
meat burgers? People are they? After noticing that some of
her fellow employees have seemingly disappeared, and when she finds
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out finger and the meat grinder, Buffy begins to suspect
the secret ingredient is in fact people. She gets fired
after she she runs out and is telling all the
patrons in the dining area about her suspicions. Um, she
has Willow analyzed the ingredients and drum roll, it is
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not people. It's not even meat. Nope, Nope, it's silly
loase it's vegetable protein. Yeah. Um. As Madeline Davies over
at Eater pointed out when this episode came out in
two thousand two, there were plant based burgers around. Um,
but they hadn't really entered the fast food market yet,
so this was like pretty impossible burger and beyond burger,
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so went away. The Double Meat Palace was ahead of
its time. And if you're worried, Buffy did get her
job back, although I guess you could argue the pros
and cons of that at this particular establishment. And a
monster was behind the missing employees and the face of course,
yes the monster was eating humans, yes, but but but
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no one else was except for maybe a little bit
that got into the meat grinder. Yes, that is the
Double Meat Burger. Um. And I guess on that note,
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we we do have, um, we do have more food
of Buffy for you. Um. But first we've got a
quick break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back.
Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. Okay. I wanted to
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put in a brief note here about not food within Buffy,
but food from the actor played Buffy, Sarah Michelle geller Um.
She published a cookbook back in It's called Stirring Up
Fun with Food, and it's it's a lot of family
friendly recipes to make food more fun and creative for kids.
(30:11):
Because her and her husband, Freddie Prince Jr. Have two kids,
and she says that she had to like seriously do
some do some learning in the kitchen um when the
kids came along, Um and Annie. It features a menu
for Star Wars Day, including chewy cookies. Um. Apparently Sarah
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Michelle and apparently the whole family or fans. Um. Freddie
does a voice acting for for Star Wars as the
Jedi Canaan. Um. Sarah Michelle shows up in Uh the
show rebels as well. Um. So I didn't know Freddie
French Jr. Was in the Star Wars universe. And I
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saw the most recent film Rise with Skywalker. I was
sitting through the credits and I saw his name pop
up and the credits as a voice. And I turned
to my friend and I said, so seriously, Freddie Prince Jedi.
So that's what I call him now. Um. Also Laura knows.
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But one of my quarantine projects is I'm keeping track
of how many Star Wars references I encounter in a day.
I've been doing this since May. I have some serious data,
but you've given me several right here. And also right
before we start recording, I remembered the theme song for
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Buffy was by the Nerve Herders, which is a Star
Wars reference. The name of the band is a Star
Wars reference. Yes, yes, that puts me up to like
eleven today already. So dang well, I'm always glad to help.
Thank you that that really gave my day a boost. Thing.
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Oh and if you haven't watched Star Wars Rebels, you
totally should. I I really enjoy that show. It's super
it's super fun. Yeah, I've been meaning to. I know,
I like them. I get kind of nervous with TV
shows that I know I'm going to have to finish
because I'm also I'll stay up all night and I
just know it's going to be a big thing to
embark on, so I'm waiting to be ready to But yeah,
(32:27):
I definitely want to check it out. And what's the
other one I want to see? Clone Wars? Oh? Yeah?
Also great? Also great? Yes, high quality must But okay
back to Buffy. Yes, and uh, this is another one,
Christie said, and it's band Candy. H this is one
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of my favorite episodes probably, Oh I remember this one too.
Um and this it took me back because Lauren and
Andrew recently were subjected to some of my very dramatic
marching band memories, and I have so many. I did
have to sell these chocolate bars and lollipops and own
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nuts to raise money for our band uniforms, so this
hit close to home. Yeah, yeah, I would love to
have just a we need to do our We're vaguely
talking about doing random Saturday shows that aren't food related,
which I'm sure will never happen, but if we did,
I want to do one that's just me complaining about
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marching band. Yeah. Oh I'm into it. Oh man, we can.
We could do a whole other one of me complaining
about yearbook. It would be great. Yes, okay, all right,
maybe Quarantine project in the future. But yes, back to
band candy. In the world of Buffy, this is the
title of the sixth episode in season three, and the
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principle passes out boxes of milk bar chocolate for the
students to sell to raise money for the band uniforms,
not just to the banned students, all the students. Because
this this particular principal, portrayed uh gorgeously by arm and Shimmerman,
who also plays Quirk in Deep Space nine, um is
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is just it's just a real just a real nasty
little guy. Uh and oh oh oh indeed, so yeah,
I remember being like, why he's just passing these out
to non band students. Um, so often happens. Buffy sells
half her candy to her mom, and she sells the
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other half to Giles, which is sort of her mentor
also often happens um and both learn that she's lied
to them about her whereabouts because they're kind of overscheduling her, um,
trying to keep her on track like s A T
S and slaying practice all this stuff. And in their
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stress of finding this out, they eat some of the
chocolate and the next day Buffy you notice is some
out of character behavior from the both of them. Giles
is late, he's smoking. Her mom pulls out a bottle
of Khalua and gives Buffy the keys to her car
when she'd earlier refused to allow Buffy to even get
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a license. Giles starts going by Ripper, which is his
like like like like bad boy youth name exactly yep uh. Later,
Buffy and Willow go to to a glove the Bronze,
and it's just packed with adults acting like teenagers, including
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the principle and they're all They all seem to be
shoving their faces with these candy birds, leading the Scooby
Gang to suspect that they are the candy bars are
behind this behavior, and the situation really escalates. Giles beats
up a cop and steals his car and all of
his stuff. He and Buffy's mom make out on the
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hood of the are It's more than makeout, Buffy finds
out later during this one period of time when she
can read people's thoughts. Yeah, they mentioned this in several episodes.
It's one of those things. Yeah, it actually turns really sweet.
But but at any rate, please please continue. Yes, um. So,
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Buffy investigates the factory that manufactures the candy bars and
interrogates the person running it until he admits that the
candy is a part of a plot to render the
adults kind of uncaring while a demon eats babies as
you do. Pretty much. Yeah, um and the batty here
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um not the demon, but the but the dude running
the candy factory was one of giles old friends from
his Ripper days, one one Ethan rain Um, who also
shows up in another candy related episode. Um the the
Helloween episode from season two, the name of which I
did not look up. Um, candy doesn't really fit into
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his plot that time. Um, But but Xander does give
a group of young tricker treaters advice on how to
us Slee's extra candy from from the houses that they
hit up. Ah those days, be a kid just trying
to get the most candy that you can. Yeah. I
also love how in the at least the synopsis I
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was reading on I think it was the Buffy Wicky
fandom for this episode, it's Buffy and teterrogates Ethan with
her fist and he yep, that's so yep. I love
the phrasing of that. So this one I actually found
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on my own and I don't remember this episode at all,
but oh it is unmemorable, so that's fair. Okay, yeah, yeah,
we'll talk about that more in a minute. But the
episode in question here is Beer Bad, which is an
episode five UM season four. Buffy is not handling a
recent breakup well, uh, so she goes to the bar
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that Xander recently got a job in as a bartender.
I think he fake with a fake idea, I believe, yeah,
because none of them are of age at this point right,
um to drink her stars away with a beer called
black Frost. So she gets drunk with a group of
college dudes. Later wakes up not feeling so hot, but
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that doesn't stop her from going back drinking even more
that night, um, until Xander makes her go home, only
to find that her drinking buddies are now aggressive Neanderthals. Yes, yes,
you know how it goes. Turns out the pub's owner
has been using a chemical lab to brew this revenge
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beer in retaliation for all the stuff college kids and
put him through over the years. Also as you do. Yeah, okay,
so yes, there is a lot of controversy around this episode.
A lot of folks regarded as one of the worst
episodes ever. Um. Some international viewers called out what they
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saw as American puritanicalism. Alcohol and casual sex are bad
that kind of messaging. Um, I believe. Josh Sweden was
even asked about it, and and he was like, you know,
some of them don't turn out that you thought they
would on paper. But um, apparently the episode was written
with the original intent of cashing in on some US
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government subsidies provided to entertainment that had this anti drug message. Yeah,
and and people involved in this program at the White
House would read scripts. Um. Yeah, and this was like
a big secret hardly anyone knew about. I mean a
handful of people knew about it until Salon reported on
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it after investigating for I think six months. Um. It
caused this huge up war. Some we're calling it propaganda,
mind control. Um beer bad. Though this was like an
official memo report. I was reading this episode of Buffy
the Vampire Slayer was rejected like in this memo uh
for funding. As someone who helped make the decision said
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drugs were an issue, but it wasn't on strategy. It
was otherworldly nonsense, very abstract and not like real life
kids taking drugs. Humors wouldn't make the link to our message.
Other worldly nonsense. Oh wow, that I mean fair fair Yeah,
(40:47):
I mean I think I would have gotten a message though.
It's pretty you know. And I was thinking about this,
and and I would say that that overall throughout the series,
the way that drinking and a use is portrayed, UM
is very cautious. Um. It's it's certainly portrayed as negative
for the underage characters. UM. Throughout the series of both
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Magic and Vampirism, are used as metaphors. They're portrayed as
addictive and destructive, you know, like only the bad guys
smoke cigarettes, and only when you know they're just casually
trying to be like, right evil, I'm smoking um uh.
After after the characters are of age, they are occasionally
shown drinking, but only like casually. Um. At one point,
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the character Annya, who happens to be a thousand year
old vengeance demon who looks like like a late teenager
maybe maybe in our early twenties. Um. She she's at
one point unable to order a drink, an alcoholic drink
at the Bronze because she doesn't have I d um
so so you know, like they usually stay on top
of it. So I I think that that government reader
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should have considered more deeply he should of this beer
bad episode. Uh. Yeah it was. It was a totally
fascinating unexpected rabbit hole. And they had a list of
all the shows that like got money. They got like
millions of dollars, like the Drew Carey show, Wayne's Brothers
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uh and the episodes that got the funding. So if
you want to look into it, it was fascinating to me. Um,
But I also want to say, not all bad. This
episode was nominated for an Emmy for Outstanding Hairstyling in
the Series, so take that, haters. Uh. This is extra
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funny because because the the hairstyling in question is that
as Buffy regresses into like this knee and call Buffy state,
her hair just gets like big wacky cave person hair. Uh.
I'm I'm saying that as though it means something real,
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but it's it's just like this like giant like sticks
and leaves, kind of kind of boof of hair. Um. Uh.
So I you know, I appreciate that the people behind
the Emmy's really appreciated that recognize greatness when they see it. Yeah. Yeah, Um.
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I wanted to put in here another episode that that
does deal explicitly about food. Um. The Thanksgiving episode Payings um.
And this is season four, episode eight that the plot
revolves around Buffy attempting to host her own Thanksgiving because
her mother is out of town for Thanksgiving that year. Um.
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And you know she she's also just graduated high school.
So it's kind of playing on that thing that many
of his experience when we're kind of on our own
for the first time trying to do this grown up thing.
Um and and literally everything that could go wrong does,
like up to and including the vengeful spirits of wronged
Native Americans cursing in or killing people in ways reminiscent
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of the ways that colonizers harmed them. Wow as you do. Yeah,
um and and this is this is real awkward, y'all. Um,
but you know this show is trying to deal with
it reflexively. Um. Like, the spirits come to life in
the first place when ground is broken for a new
cultural center, which disturbs a sacred Native site. So they're
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making an effort like and and like the characters all
feel conflicted about fighting the spirits because they're like, no,
you were the ones who were in the right in
the first Oh, you're trying to kill us, okay. Um.
One character, again, willow Is, is conflicted about celebrating Thanksgiving
in general because of all of the wrongs that colonizers
did too Native people. Um. She says, it's a it's
(44:59):
a sham. Buffy replies, but it's a sham with yams.
It's a it's a yam sham sham. H. Food comes
up a lot because they're you know, making a Thanksgiving dinner. Um.
Uh Anya, the aforementioned thousand year old vengeance demon, um,
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insists that Thanksgiving is a great ritual sacrifice kind of
holiday and that she loves that sort of thing, and
upon being challenged, they're like, this is not a ritual sacrifice.
She says, to commemorate a past event, you kill and
eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice with pie. Hard
to argue with that, correct Um, And and a few
(45:43):
more little ones to kind of to kind of wrap up, Um.
I did want to put in that the demons of
this series do not only eat people. Um. Kittens are
also a popular demon snack. Not cats with kittens, but
kitten kittens specifically. Yeah, oh gosh, Yeah, there's a there's
a quote. At one point a demon is saying like,
(46:06):
hey to another demon, like, hey, pay up those kittens
you owe me. The second demon goes like, goes like,
but but I just need a little more time, okay,
And the first one goes, time is what turns kittens
into cats. See, this is what I want to see.
I always want to see the goofy, Like, I want
to see that demon trying to catch kittens, you know
(46:26):
what I mean? That's what I want. Yeah, Yeah, one
of one of the demons that they're that they try
to humanize a little bit. Um. The demon's name is
clem Um. He actually gives up his kitten habit because
because I think it's a combination of like they're a
little bit too caloric, um. Uh, like he was watching
(46:52):
his cholesterol, you know. And and also he feels bad
about it, Okay, but it's primarily I think I got it. Um.
One of the uh, one of the great mysteries of
the series is the cheese Man. Not the cheese man, Yes,
(47:13):
the cheese man. He this is this is a dude
who shows up um in in the dreams of four
of the main characters in the episode Restless, which is
the finale of season four. And it's just this guy
in a suit, unassuming guy who's who's carrying around slices
(47:35):
of American cheese, like little square slices, you know. Um.
And he's never explained huh never, never a great mystery. Indeed, well,
cheese is a mystery. Cheese is a fabulous mystery. Um
(48:02):
and uh and I guess I guess I want to
to to finish out this episode, uh with a reference
from the finale of the show in which Buffy refers
to herself as cookie Dough. She she says, she she's
trying to explain too long time flame, uh sometime vampire angel,
(48:27):
that you know, she's not ready to to to to
settle down with him or with anyone um, or to
make any serious choices about her life because she is
still growing up um. And she says, Okay, I'm cookie dough.
I'm not done baking. I'm not finished becoming whoever the
hell it is I'm going to turn out to be.
I make it through this and the next thing and
(48:47):
the next thing, and maybe one day I turn around
and realize I'm ready. I'm cookies. And then you know,
if I want someone to eat or enjoy warm it's
just cooking me, then that's fine. That'll be then when
I'm done beautiful it is really Yeah, that's another line
(49:15):
that I think about a lot of, Like maybe I'm
still cookie though, and maybe that's okay, cookie does great
it is. Oh yeah, this has been a fun one
for sure. Yeah I did when I mentioned I didn't.
It's like a super short thing. But there's also that
(49:36):
picture of Buffy and her sushi Pizona pajamas. Yeah, she's
like saying all these tough things, and she's like, that
would have sounded formidating. I wasn't in my happy, happy
sushi pajamas. Yeah. I often feel that way, like cookie
(49:58):
dough or like I'm in my trying to be scary
in my happy sushi pajamas. Yeah. Yeah, but it's it's
very relatable. Oh absolutely it is. That's about what we
have to say about the food of Buffy. That is
um And we do have some listener mail for you,
(50:19):
but first we've got one more quick break forward from
our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you,
and we're back with this norm. So how it goes
(50:42):
it's basically how it goes. Perfect Again. By the time
I realized what you were doing, I was laughing too
hard to really to really get into it. But yes,
I try. I try so, Andrea, And yeah, I know
if some people say it differently wrote about a Rock
(51:02):
four episode. Through my quick internet search, I found that
the term rock comes from the term rock or rook.
Any Chess fan will recognize that a rook is a
fortified castle. The cheese is made in the city of
rock Force or Susan. The strongly fortified castle on the
Sulson River. My husband and I visited the Rock for
(51:24):
Caves decades ago. My palate was less varied, and I
was at first repulsed by the pungent odor. But the
cheese was so fresh and delicious. I would highly recommend
you taste local cheeses of your region. There's such a
difference between fresh and packaged cheeses. We wandered the French
countryside eating bread, cheese and tomatoes. What could be better?
(51:48):
How much um? During the tour of the caves, we
were showing a video describing the story of cheesemaking in
Rock For The audio was in French. We were trying
to translate using our phrase book and our knowledge of
Spanish and Italian for in justest geographically in between so
linguistically not so much. All of this in we heard
with great dramatics, raw to fromage, King of Cheese. From
(52:12):
that point on, we um, and now our kids shout
every time we taste delicious cheese, raw to fromage, which
is excellent. That is excellent. Also, one of the words
I have the most difficulty saying is roar like a lion.
(52:35):
And oh this when I was in French raw is
close to it. Uh, And we did. Ah. I don't
know why, but we we did a whole thing on
the Lion King the movie. So I had to pay
it like so many times, and every time I would
just like stumble and mess it up. And so I
have sort of I love this saying though, like just
(52:58):
shouting King of Cheese these That's excellent, that is see.
I started souting cinnamon roll. That's my thing. Now. I
don't shout enough when I'm eating food. Oh, you've got
to change that, Lauren. I do, I do. I'll work
on it and I'll update you. Okay, good. I'm sure
my neighbors are like, oh, she has lost it in quarantine.
(53:22):
She's just shouting random food names, haven't we all? Though?
I mean haven't haven't? Ali wrote, I just finished your
Easter episode when I was reminded of a local holiday
here in Utah. As a recent transplant to the state,
I was baffled when I learned of a state holiday
on July called Pioneer Day. Most Utahs receive this day
(53:46):
off of work. It celebrates the arrival of the morbid
Pioneers to Utah. What does that have to do with food?
You ask, well, after the parade festivities are over, if
you aren't Mormon, you had to a local eatery to
celebrate the unofficial Pie and Beer Day. Local breweries and
a dessert slash pizza makers put their wits together to
come up with many a creative and unusual combo. I've
(54:08):
also recently gone down a movie rabbit hole for be
horror films starring food as the monster I can recommend
if you haven't watched Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, Attack
of the Killer Donuts, and in Human Witch. I have
seen the other two, but I have not seen in
Human Witch, So thank you. Yes, be horror film recommendations always, Well,
(54:33):
you could not tell clearly in the Buffy episode, I
think we're our colors are showing yes please. And also
Pie and Beer Day. That sounds fantastic, and um, Lauren
and I went on a very long tangent about Supernatural. Uh,
in these ad breaks that we take for no apparent reason,
(54:55):
we actually take and I was wondering, like, well, when
Supernatural finally ends there in their fift and fine season,
what episodes should we do then? And Dean loves pie
and beer. Oh there's a there's something there, there is,
what there is? Maybe it'll finally be time for our
Burger episode. Oh yeah, there's a So I believe I
(55:20):
gave you that Buffy book. Um, Samantha over on Sminty,
I gave her a supernatural cookbook. So I have to
ask her if there's any good recipes or things in there. Yeah, yeah,
and I'll check them. The book you gave me is
um they put out like like like a like Willows
(55:43):
like guide to Demons and stuff. Um, and uh, so
I'll check and see if there's recipes in there. Yeah. Yes,
another thing to report back on us. And if any
of you, I know some of you listeners have sent
(56:03):
in recipes from the geeky nerdy things that we talked
about on here, always send those. We love them. Yea.
Thanks to both of these listeners for writing in. If
you would like to write to us, you can. Our
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(56:26):
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