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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello, and welcome to save your prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm
Annie Resil and I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we have an episode for you
about white tailed deer.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And what an episode it is.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh yeah, I mean, as always, you never know where
the reading is going to take you, and our animal
episodes are always a little bit strange to begin with,
because I'm like, check out the amazing biology of this creature.
It's also tasty, and yeah, I am also personally very
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creeped out by deer.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
This is true, so perhaps it's appropriate for the time
you and I had, which the time if you're not
listening to it when it comes out is October. You
and I had a conversation about de you in horror
movies and horror movies do love using deer? The Ring
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two comes to minds Uh, recently, leave the whole world behind.
I had a whole deer thing.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, it's there. It's their dead eyes, like a doll's eyes.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah. And they're big, Like, yeah, they're big.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's that's my thing. It's I'm not okay, I'm not
scared of deer the way I'm scared of like, I
don't know, like like like worms with teeth or something
like that. It's just that deer are real. They are
in my backyard. They're bigger than me, and they and
and and if they so chose, they could absolutely trample
me to death easily, easily, Yeah, and quickly. They move fast.
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They're big, and they move fast, and they've got big ol' hooves,
and they don't really want me to be there, like
they were here first and they know it.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, they do. That's a lesson from the ring too.
They also move erradically. I feel like I had a
lot of deer growing up in semi rural Georgia in
her backyards, and there was a constant war with my
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mom and the deer and her sure, yeah, yeah, but
they would they would come into our yard, just a
bunch of them, and I would be out and about
maybe running or doing something in the yard, and I
would just they would just make these movements where I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Not sure what you're going to do next.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, I'm trying to like stay in my lane here,
but I don't know where your lane is going.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, I don't know if you have a lane. I
don't know where they consider lanes to be I yeah, yeah,
I might have mentioned it on the show before the
house that I bought, that the property backs up to
some Georgia power lines. And so I've got like I've
got like a tiny little bit out of like like
fifty yards or something between me and the backyards of
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the next street over. And in that space there's like
a tree line and like a little crik that runs through,
and yeah, so we get deer. And there's in particular
this like girl gang of deer that just owns that
that creek and yeah, and like one of them is
like a big old lady, and yeah she is. She
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was in my front yard once when I came home
and like and like the like the like lyft driver
was dropping me off and like this deer was standing
between me and the front door, and I was like
I'm not getting out of the car, Like this is
your problem now, too, dude, Like this, like what are
we doing about this deer?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
We've got to go up with the plow. I think
I got out of the car like in my driveway
of area and was sort of like.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Hi, ma'am, I'm just I just want to go to
my could would you like to leave.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Please?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Maybe it's kind of like quietly and like with my
hands up.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, she did. She did leave.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
She she like sort of like like like looked me
up and down and was like, eh.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, she's got other things to do with her girl
game here.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Right, gosh, And and now, okay, So I was trying
to think of I was trying to think of it
whether I was creeped out by deer before before this
next reference or not. But when I was a teen,
I read a lot of horror, like like teen horror books,
and Carolyn B. Cooney was one of my favorite teen
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horror authors. And she had a short story called Where
the Deer Are. And I'm trying to think whether my
fear of my deer fear goes back beyond that or not.
I'm pretty sure it does, because again, like they're big
slightly onto deer fear.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Gosh. Anyway, anyway, Yes, I know I've told this story before,
but I lived very close to what who I will
call survivalist, and he he did hunt deer and he
kind of taught me about it, not really but kind of.
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But living in the area that I lived, you could
get venison from people who hunted deer, and you could
also get like dear heart, I remember, yeah, And it
was one of those things where I was never bothered
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by it, but it did scare me in terms of
I would hear gunshots near my head because people were
hunting deer. But it just scared because I could go
in the woods a lot as a kid. Yeah, and
so I was always a little worried about about that.
Then I did see some hunters passed out with beer
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cans around them, which is not a comforting sign at all. No, no,
But but I have had venison and a couple of
parts of deer mostly through that. I think.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think I've I think I've only ever had venison
like on a relatively fancy restaurant menu, mm hmm. And
those are going to those are kind of the two
places that you get it in the United States.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yep. Yeah, which we are going to talk about. We're
also going to go into a little bit more of
the horror that I'm excited to share. But hey, yeah,
I guess that brings us to our question. Sure, white
tailed deer, what are they?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well? White tailed deer are a type of big game
land mammal that live in mostly like sparse forest areas
of temperate North America. They can be farm raised, but
they're more often harvested wild. They are popular with big
game hunters because they're abundant, they're kind of wily. The
male deer grow these beautiful antlers. They're high as useful,
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and their meat is tasty. This type of venison is
a lot leaner than, for example, beef, and often with
a sort of like rich, tangy gamy flavor to it
and a really deep burgundy red color. When it's really pretty,
like other red meats, it will brown and can go
a little bit gray even as it cooks. The flavor
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stands up well to other strong or rich or pike
in flavors, but it's also nice on its own. You
can get venison steaks or chops that you would cook
much like any other steak or chop, but most cuts
really benefit from like a low and slow sort of
preparation in a smoker or a stew, or like a
braized sort of situation. But yeah, people use white tailed
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venison cuts to make burgers or a sobuco or roasts
or sausages, jerky.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
They use the awful.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's it's a lean, flavorful red meat. It is so
earthy and yet so extravagant at the same time, because
it tends to be just really tender and eating it,
eating it feels like a gift and a bounty.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah. Yeah, it reminds me of a lot of the
like fictional episodes we've done when we talk about where
they just they describe like the bounties at the forest,
and I feel like, yeah, venison frequent frequently shows up
on those men.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh absolutely, Yeah, Oh so good. It's so good, And
I feel like it really is such a great like,
like it goes well with a lot of those kind
of fall flavors, those sort of rich like the like
the red wine and the turnips and all that kind
of stuff. Yeah, okay, okay, all right, hungry for things
I don't have access to at the very moment. Here
we go, all right. The white tailed deer is a
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species in the Servidae or deer family. Their short, thick
fur is mostly reddish brown in the summer and grayish
brown in the winter, with white on their bellies, around
their eyes and snout and the tufts of their ears
and on the underside of their tails, which have about
the span of like a large human hand.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
They will raise that tail up, showing the white when
they're alert or excited, hence the name. They can live
to about fifteen years in the wild, although most don't
make it, passed around five on On average, they grow
to about five feet long about as tall to the head,
though older animals can grow bigger, and male deer or
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bucks will be larger than the female deer or dough.
On average, they weigh some one hundred pounds that's forty
five kilos, though they can weigh up to about three
hundred pounds that's one hundred and thirty five kilos, and
that will yield about fifty pounds of meat or a
little bit over twenty kilos. They mate in the late
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fall to early winter, and does give birth about six
and a half months later, usually in May or June.
The fawns are born able to walk and can forage
on their own after a couple months, but will stay
with their mother for a year or two. The bucks
will often range out earlier than the dos. The fawns
do have adorable white spots across their backs. Like Bambi.
They tend to live in potentially large groups of females
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in their fawns and then smaller groups of males. The
male deer grow antlers that are made of bone in
the spring of every year, with a layer of thin
skin and short fur covering and feeding that bone. They'll
lose that velvet as it's called in the fall, then
use those antlers to fight for mating dominance with other
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males in the late fall to early winter, then lose
the antlers in the later winter and grow new ones
in the spring. Every year. The set that they grow
will be larger with more prongs or points. They are
powerful creatures, capable of running over thirty miles an hour
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that's forty eight kilometers an hour. They can jump about
eight feet straight up that's two and a half meters,
and about thirty feet horizontally that's about ten meters. That's fine,
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Wow, I can get it, dear.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I mean right, I mean certainly, the like four foot
fences out back they have no problem with. They're just
like bloop right over the.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Right over, no problem, little Jedi deer. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
They are also highly adaptable to different environments and can
eat pretty much any type of plant life because they
are ruminants with a four chambered stomach that specializes in
breaking down all kinds of tough vegetation. Their natural habitat
ranges from like central Canada down through the United States
and Mexico and Central America as far south as like
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Bolivia and parts of Peru, and they can survive in
anything from like subarctic to suburban conditions. A female deer
will typically reproduce with one to two fonnds every year.
In really good conditions, the population of white tailed deer
can increase by eighty nine percent year over year, which
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means that a the population can stand up to harvesting,
and b if you don't do that, it can be
a problem. In some areas of the United States at
some times it has been a problem. This occurs when
the deer population is so large and the human encroachment
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on their natural habitat is so intense that there are
a lot of deer around human settlements, and so you
wind up with collisions with vehicles and a lot of
damage to landscaping and gardens because they're eating everything, and
the spread of disease due to a number of factors
that humans have absolutely caused. To be clear, it is
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like kind of important that people hunt deer in a
lot of parts.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Of the United States.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And yeah, as with any large, large mammal, there are
a lot of different cuts of meat that you can
get off of a deer, which can go to any
number of tasty, tasty purposes.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yes, well, speaking of what about the nutrition.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Again, white tailed deer venison is much leaner than beef.
It has a good punch of protein and a good
spread of micronutrients. I would say, paarrot with a fat
to help keep you going. That's also going to be delicious.
Eat a vegetable those are also delicious. Yeah. Yeah. Health Wise,
there is some concern about prion diseases spreading from large
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ruminants to humans. It seems highly unlikely to be a
danger from white tailed deer to humans, but hunters are
nonetheless urged to use caution when killing and butchering wild
game like white tailed deer as so do not interact
with any brain tissue or spinal fluid, just to be sure,
and also to always use caution around animals that are
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acting strangely good rule with them. Mad cow and related
prion diseases are a separate episode, but wanted to touch
on that here. There have been do not eat advisories
issued four whitetail deer in some places around the US
following testing for uptake of pollutants in those populations that
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are near industrial and municipal sources of said pollutants. Yep,
check with your local game and or fish and or
wildlife department for more on that. If you have a
hunting license, you should be doing that anyway, hunt responsibly.
And yeah, as a consumer, like as with any food
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and probably especially any protein, you know, try to source
venison from a place that you trust when possible.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yes, yeah, absolutely, yeah, Well we do have some numbers
for you, we do.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Okay, So today there are an estimated thirty million ish
wild whitetailed deer in the US. About ten million hunters
here harvest about six million deer per year. And I
love how much that rhymes. I'm sorry. That accounts for
about three hundred and thirty thousand tons of meat, and
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I believe that's metric tons, not that it's that much
of a difference one way or another, but here we are.
It's estimated that the economic activity around hunting deer in
America garners some twelve billion dollars a year. I did
not know that.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah wow. Yeah. As of twenty eleven, and I don't
think this has changed. This made white tailed deer the
most popular big game species in the world in terms
of land. Wow. Yeah, yeah, I had no idea. I
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had no idea. Huh uh.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, I like it. I like it. Sorry, I'm sorry,
put myself in that corner.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
No, I don't know. Staying Also, I couldn't find a
more recent number than this, but as of twenty twelve,
there were additionally over four thousand farms rearing white tailed
deer in the United States, generating some forty four million
dollars a year in sales.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
This is blowing my mind because to me, it is
this small town thing I encountered.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh now, there's a lot of small towns there are,
and we'll get we'll talk about it more later.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But yeah. Also, yeah, it's on fancy menus. It's just
weird to me because I feel like there were like
a couple of people I knew that did it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, right, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
What I mean?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah? Yeah, wow. Another ten million or so of these
deer live wild elsewhere, mostly in the Americas, although they
have been exported to various other places, including Finland, which
also now has white tailed deer, around one hundred and
ten thousand of them, and they harvest about twenty five
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thousand deer a year. Also, this doesn't have to do
with the meat, because for the most part, these are
protected deer. But there's a nature preserve in Seneca County,
New York on the site of this former army depot
that's been fenced since around nineteen forty one and shut
down since the year two thousand and it's home to
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a population of about seven hundred white tailed deer, around
half of which have entirely white coats, not al bino.
They're lucistic. I think that's how you say that, but yeah, yeah,
entirely white white tailed deer really pretty. They do tours.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You can go, oh, okay this episode. Honestly, I feel
like we say this about every episode, but it is
certainly true for this one. There were so many other paths.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I was like, oh, oh yeah, yep, yep, yep. And
that is why we're also doing an episode on white
tail deer specifically and not on venison in general. Because
I started looking into it and I was like, oh no, oh,
certainly not.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
This cannot stand. Yeah, there's a lot, I mean, there
has been a lot written about a deer of all kinds.
But yes, in this case, we do have quite the
history of the white tail deer for you.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
We do, and we are going to get into that
as soon as we get back from a quick break.
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Speaker 1 (20:07):
Okay. So, Yes, the white tailed deer is the world's
oldest species of deer, with evidence suggesting they have been
around in the Americas for three and a half million
years or maybe even five million years, and they survived
a whole host of predators and climate events all that time.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah. They probably, though, to be fair, only really came
into their own after the demise of megafauna in the
area during like the late Pleistocene era, like twelve to
fifteen thousand years ago, And those megafauna met their demise
due to both like ice age stuff and also human hunting.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, but I did read a very lovely article that
was just talking about how strong they were, and that
might account for how scary they.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Are and adaptable and scary.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yes, adaptable and scary. Yes. For ten thousand years at least.
These deer have been significant in a lot of ways
for indigenous peoples in North America, for food, for clothing,
for tools. According to some estimates based on archaeological findings,
white tailed deer made up to twenty five percent of
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the diet of indigenous people in eastern and central North America.
Access to this resource was so important that it facilitated treaties.
Traps were devised to capture this deer, including snares, nets,
and pits. I read other articles that was about the
innovation that went into Oh yeah, it was huge, it
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was huge. Also, going back to our bone marrow episode,
they were talking about the conversation of meat versus the marrow.
Oh yeah, when it comes to deer. Very interesting. When
early colonizers arrived to North America's east coast, they hunted
and whittled down the population of predators of white tailed
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deer like wolves and cougars, and this gave the deer
the room to breed and increase their population. Even so,
some areas soon started to notice deer scarcity. The first
legislation around conserving deer populations was passed in sixteen forty
six in Rhode Island, introducing hunting seasons. However, this was
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less about environmental concerns and more because the meat and
hides were important to the economy. It's a little of both,
it's a little of both. Other colonies followed suit up
into the mid seventeen hundreds, though these rules weren't often
en forced. Over five hundred thousand deer skins were being
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traded to Europeans from indigenous peoples the mid seventeen hundreds.
By seventeen seventy six, in places like Pennsylvania, deer meat
was the primary source of protein. If any meat wasn't sold,
it was salted and preserved as the human population grew
in these areas. As more and more people came in,
the deer population declined for multiple reasons, including lumber industries
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impacting the ecosystem. So not just the hunting, not just
the more people, but the ecosystem. This of course had
a negative impact on indigenous peoples who relied on deer
as part of their diet had for a long time.
And also this reminded me of episodes we've done on
things like Oysters where I would read like old accounts
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where Europeans would come in and would just seemingly think
this would never run out.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
There's so much, it's so abundant that it is clearly
an eternal resource with exactly no concept of ecology at
all at all.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Not at all, not at all. But there were some
people who were worried about it. Beginning in the mid
eighteen hundreds in the US, groups of folks came together
to form sports organizations focused on better enforcing conservation regulations,
promoting conservation in national parks, and enacting new protective legislations.
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They took out ads, they spearheaded reintroduction efforts, basically like
moving deer populations to different places. White tailed deer numbers
were dwindling in several East Coast states by the early
nineteen hundreds since they were hunted as this cheap source
of protein coupled with the availability and improvement of weapons.
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So in response, several of these states implemented regulations or
measures to boost the population numbers. And these things did
include stuff like hunting, hunting seasons with various weapons. In mind,
deer hunters were integral and managing and recovering deer populations.
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And when I tell you, a lot of these articles
were written about the importance of deer hunters in this
whole history. Wow wow, yep.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Speaking of the Pittman Robertson Federal Aid and Wildlife Rerustoration
Act of nineteen thirty seven placed a ten percent tax
on ammunition and firearms and later was amended to include
archery equipment, and this helped provide funding for wildlife conservation
in the US, including deer. I am not someone who
has a lot of experience in hunting outside of this
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neighbor I've spoken about, but I do know about this.
These taxes placed on things, and these wildlife taxes that
are put in place if you're going to go hunting
in a legal way. So they were starting that pretty
early with these regulations. Some states saw growth in their
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deer population from the nineteen sixties to the nineteen nineties.
By the nineteen seventies, experts estimated the white tailed deer
population was approaching fifteen million. In fact, some of these
methods worked too well, and deer became overabundant in some areas.
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There were reports of environmental and crop damage caused by deer,
and later damage caused by cars colliding with deer. New
regulations were introduced, like requiring hunters to harvest a female
deer before hunting a male one. Apparently this was a
real mind shift, had.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
To Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I think it was called
earn a buck.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, So what our office we used
to have this like past the buck, the buck stops here.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, there you go, there you go.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
It was awful. You get these, you'd get placed on
your desk and you were supposed to handle all issues.
I guess I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
It was it was supposed to be an honor.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, it felt like duty I'd never asked for any way.
White tailed deer were transported to Finland in the nineteen hundreds,
and by the nineteen sixties their population had really stabilized
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enough for people to hunt them. I would love to
hear from people from Finland about Yeah. I kind of
found one article and I couldn't find anything else, So
I would love to get some backup evidence. There were
populations of other species of deer in Europe already, though,
with a long history. Oh, absolutely different episodes, episodes, Yeah, yeah,
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just to say it's not like, oh, they suddenly had deer,
it was just this specific population. Yeah, Okay, here we go,
stepping back a bit. We need to do a brief
aside about the nineteen forty two animated film.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Bamby Yep, Yep, we do.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, Yes, I do. I'm guessing most if you have
seen it, but it famously opens with a pretty traumatic
scene where a hunter called only the Man shoots and
kills Bambi's mom. The deer our white tailed deer in
this movie, which is different from them from what they
are in the book. To this day, many critics say
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this is one of the best animated films of all time,
and because of that a lot has been looked into
in terms of the film's impact. One is that for
a lot of kids, this was one of the earliest
encounters with mortality that they had. There's an episode of
Friends that revolves around Phoebe realizing that her mom fast
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forwarded through that scene in like every sad scene in
every child movie, but that was the scene because everyone
was like, what are you talking about? Bambee's so sad
and she didn't understand. Oh yeah, So she has a
real reckoning with that whole thing. Another is that after
this movie came out, deer Hunters experienced this huge pushback
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from the public United States.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
They were like, oh, you're hunting Bambi's mom, Like, yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
A lot of hunters have pointed out that the criticism
should more accurately be against people who do not care
about their environment or conservation. Because there was also a
wildfire that devastated the forest. Oh yeah, that part was
scarier for me personally, but anyway, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yes, I remember.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Somehow, I we have to do these huge surveys at
work sometimes, and somehow, through one of those surveys, I
found out about how hunters like proch us Bambi every year.
And I remember sending you a message about it, like, oh,
that makes sense, but I didn't know about this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I feel like for some kids our generation, like
Megatron was kind of the first one, and the Transformers
animated film like Bear like Brush with Mortality. But anyway, yeah, interesting.
Ostensibly we're a food show. Let's please continue.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Ostensibly we are, but I must talk about this, uh okay.
So this also led to what is called the Bambi effect,
are the idea that people resist killing cute animals like deer,
but have no problem with cruel conditions and mass slaughter
of other of those cute animals like pigs or cows.
And I think this relates to what we've talked to
before about how in the US, like we don't call
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what we're eating the name of the animal. Yeah, it's
from generally chicken a parent, yes.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
But yeah, yeah, a lot of the time we use
the French word for the meat and the English Germanic
word for the animal. Were also particularly distanced, like through supermarkets,
from any kind of butchering process and any kind of
reality about the life of the animal that we are
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going to consume.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yes, yes, so I think that's a big part of
the Bambi effect as well. Just to put this out there,
in twenty eighteen, a deer poacher, because that is a thing,
was sentenced to watch Bambi once a month over the year.
He was sentenced to jail.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Wow, it feels particularly vindictive.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
But I.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Okay, okay, but okay, we have to talk about the pouniverse.
This is a I have to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
This was not a thing that I was aware of
before where Annie brought it up a couple days ago.
So yeah, please please enlighten this, enlighten us all.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yes, So this is an aside within the aside. It's related,
and I want to preface it by saying I am
in no way recommending these films. Okay, okay, okay, no,
but there are some really good puns in there. They're puns.
I put some at the bottom. I don't know if
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you saw them, but okay.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Okay, okay, back up. What is what is the pouniverse? Annie?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Oh, I'm so glad you asked.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
We have seen a lot of popular pieces of media
come into the public domain recently. We've also seen a
lot of them made into pretty bad horror movies. A
lot of them are children's movies made into horror movies.
One of the most famous distances of this is Winnie
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the Pooh, Blood and Honey, which has a sequel that
I hear is kind of deep. Okay, I've seen it,
but I wasn't really paying attention. There was like genetic
interesting stuff going on, okay, and more recently also Screamboat
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and the Mouse chap about Steamboat Willie. Those are not
part of the pooniverse, which is also, by the way,
called the Twisted Childhood Universe or the TCU. Okay, okay,
But after the success of those Winn of the Pooh movies,
the creators announced a slate of in Universe films, Peter
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Pan's never Land Nightmare, Pinocchio Unstrung, and Bamby the Reckoning
coming together with Pooniverse Monsters Assemble. Yes. Bamby the Reckoning
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follows a mother and son trying to survive a mutated
car crash deer.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I've seen some images and it looks maybe I can't
describe it, one of the filmmakers said of it, it
is quote an incredibly dark retelling of the nineteen twenty
eighth story we all know and love, finding inspiration from
the design used and Netflix is the ritual. Bamby will
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be a vicious killing machine that lurks in the wilderness.
So wow, your fear of deer, your dear fear.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
M hmm.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah. To be clear, this horror adaptation follows. This horror
adaptation follows the book, which is now in the public domain,
not the Disney film.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, because public domain is tricksie like that, and it
lasts for ninety six years on a lot of media
thanks to companies like Disney, perhaps primarily Disney. Love I
love the finding inspiration from the ritual because the ritual,
if you guys are unfamiliar with. The film is a
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film that I do recommend, although I am biased because
I happen to be acquaintances with the with the director,
Dave Bruckner, who's a great human person and much much nicer.
If you've seen a lot of his movies, you might
assume he's a big weirdo, and he is, but in
a fun way, you know. But highly recommend the Ritual.
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Really like that film.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
So yeah, well, foovers, thank.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You Annie for introducing me to something new.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Well, it's funny because while you and I and Andrew
were in law sphase, I brought this up casually, assuming
everyone would know what I was talking about, which it's
fair that you did not. I.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yes, yes. In these are modern times of Internet, it
is easy to believe that the niche things that you
have stumbled across are a lot more widespread, yeah, than
they actually are. And I believe the puniverse is one
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of those things.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, fair enough, fair enough, I would like to leave
you with one of the puns Oh four weeks ago,
please phrase okay. So from the second Blood and Honey,
they introduced two new characters, Tigger and Owl.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Oh right, because Tigger is now I think Tigger only
only more recently. He didn't show up until like a
slightly later book, and so he only like this year
or maybe last year, came into public domain.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Please go ahead. Well, so they release character posters for them. Again,
I'm not recommending anyone watch these movies. I think this
is enough for you. But I'll do both of them.
So Tiggers is the cat is out of the bag
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and Owl's is guess ooos joining the fun. But they're
really menacing images anyway. I know it's not food related,
but you know, we love horror and it is October,
so please thank you for indulging me.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I they they are relatively menacing.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Relatively yes, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, I feel at the very least slightly menaced. I
like that.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Slightly menaced.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
That's good enough. Like I said, they're not They're not
that great. I don't recommend it, but yeah no, unless
you're looking for a wild night, I won't tell you
not to.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Any way anyway.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Uh okay, So, going back to a point we made
at the top, in recent years, deer meat has really
started to occupy a sort of strange space in American cuisine.
It is either expensive on menus at upscale restaurants as
part of the whole head to tail movement, or you
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just can't get it anywhere else, or it's freely donated
by hunters because they can't officially sell the meat since
it's not inspected for safety.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah yea yeah, and so they just have like fifty
pounds of it and they're like, here, take some, please
take some. I've filled all my freezers, please take some.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Sod. It exists at two ends of the spectrum. It's
really interesting of some people being like, oh, I can
get that for free anywhere, and some people being like,
I have to pay so much to.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Entry. Yeah, sure, sure, Yeah. Well I'm glad that we
brought it back to Venison at the end.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Here did I went?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
We did go a little off the rails, Yeah, in
a fun way, I hope, So, I hope. So. I
have had.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
A lot of really good most of the things I've
had with venison or stews are but they're really good,
and I have a craving for them now, and I
know I can't I can't get there.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, I'm just gonna have to because I don't. Yeah,
I'm gonna have to look out for it on restaurant
menus or maybe maybe some of the like specialty butcher
shops around town.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I don't know, yeah, yeah, but we would love to
hear from you listeners. What if you have experience cooking
with venison, either hunting it, making it, or on a
menu somewhere. Absolutely, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
If you have opinions about the Punaverse.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Oh my gosh, if you have opinions of the puniverse,
please let me know. I have to say, okay, well
about the Poona. I have kind of a not a
not the easiest relationship with my older brother. He was
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essentially throwing me in olive branch and was like, what
can we talk about? And we talked about through a
Verse and he laughed so hard at its great. So
you know it gave me that, It gave me.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
It brings people together.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
While shredding them.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Apon on film, perfect beautiful, love it. Yes, well, yes, okay,
So if you have anything to share with us, please
do And in the meanwhile, that is all we have
to say about White Tailed Deer for now, but we
do already have some listener mail for you, and we
are going to get into that as soon as we
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Speaker 1 (42:06):
The snooth.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Bounding away, bounding.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, how they bound away? Yeah, there is a scene.
Funnily enough, we talked about it in our Rabbit episode
in the Last of Us game, where you're hunting a
deer and it is a bounder.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah. I will say, like, not all of my encounters
with the local deer are terrifying at all. Like like,
like like over the summer, like there was some young
deer that were kind of frolicking, maybe like a year
old I would guess, frolicking out back and uh and
it was like any other group of young mammals, you know,
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Like one of them was just like going in these
completely wild circles, just racing, just absolutely racing. Nobody but
itself and all of its siblings were like, come on,
come on, Ralph, what are you doing, man, We're trying
to eat this grass.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Embarrassing. Yeah, I'm glad not all of your deer encounters
are full of horror.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
No, no, no, no no. For the most part, they're lovely.
I'm glad to have them, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yes, yes, most of my experience with them in my
yard growing up was very They were cute, yeah, dear, Yeah,
but yeah it's just our our horror movies and our
when you are when you're close to one and you
see how big they are, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
It's like I should be elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I'll step back. Yeah all right, m okay, Ashley wrote,
I just wanted to let y'all know that you inspired
quite a detour on my husband and my current anniversary trip.
We are in Switzerland and already fully planned on going
to Griere, but a week before we left, we happened
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to listen to the Chartreuse episode and started to look
into just how much of a detour it might be
just under three hours. We had a car and no
set plans, so we went for it. The town of
Voyron is very charming with a painted church. We toured,
and while no distilling takes place at this location anymore
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due to regulations surrounding fire safety, the tour was super
interesting and informative, and all of the videos showing monks
working the large metal stills in a very modern setting
was a super unique juxtaposition. The cocktails in the bar
there were quite tasty. As well. No photos were allowed
on the tour, but the longest underground Cellar did seem
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to live up to its name, also attaching photos from
the tour in Griere, it lived up to all my
cheesy dreams.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
What oh wow, that is also cool.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
That's awesome, that's so cool. Thank you for taking I mean,
thank you for writing to us about this tour that
you took. Yes, because we were curious about Oh my goodness,
Truth distillery.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
It did look really cool and I'm so glad that
it actually was really cool. I'm glad that your email
wasn't like, yeah, thanks a lot for talking about.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
A Yeah, me too. That wasn't a concern I had,
But I'm relieved now I really know that sounds awesome.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, yeah, congratulations on your anniversary. And oh, cheesy dreams.
Cheesy dreams are the best dreams.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yes, career, mmmmmmm.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Another big sigh for a thing that I'm not consuming
at this very moment.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Christine wrote updating us about Australia and coffee creamer. Okay,
within days of the coffee creamer episode, I found some
in my local supermarket. It's probably been in other supermarkets,
but I wasn't looking for it. I meant to send
you the photo, but forgot about that. However, earlier this
week I was required to submit the tenth photo in
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my gallery to the council of Katto's for judgment, and
it happened to be the photo I had to submit.
This particular council consists of three chonky cats wearing presumably
cleaned instant noodle cup hats. They managed to look simultaneously
inscrutably wise, utterly adorable, and really ridiculous. Still, I think
the photo describes another reason creamer isn't found much in Australia.
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Who's going to pay thirteen bucks for something that's probably
going to go bad before you finish it when you
can get a more versatile carton of milk that's cheaper,
healthier and tastier. Still, for anyone in Australia who desperately
wants creamer, they need to look for a large supermarket
near an industrial park with multinational corporations and internationally renowned
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medical research facility, or a large university. I happened to
be near all three, and except that there might not
be a large selection of flavors.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
I love this continued research Christine.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Oh yeah, thank you, And I hope that the Council
of Kados. I hope that their judgment was fair and balanced.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Indeed, indeed, I can tell that the hats in part
of wisdom. Oh oh yes, we must accept their judgment.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Sure, Oh yeah, I don't know. I don't know coffee creamer,
I still don't know about it.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
But here we are, yep, same, but we.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Are entering a really good We are in the midst
of a really good season for it. If you're into it,
I am positive that you have had a oh it's
back moment at some point in the last few weeks
or will sometime the next few weeks, depending on what
your exact flavor of being excited about coffee creamer is.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yes, I mean yeah, there's a lot. There are a
lot of flavors that's exciting. Oh yeah, I get it.
I support it. Oh yeah, hello, absolutely, go get it,
go get it. Well. Thank you to both of those
listeners for writing to us. If you would like to
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write to us, you can Our email is Hello at
sabrepod dot com.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
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Thanks as always to super producers Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard.
Thanks to you for listening, and we hope that lots
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of more good things are coming your way