January 7, 2025 • 25 mins
Anney and Samantha chat about the podcast and how it came to be what it is - and the ones we came before us.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to stuff I've never told you production of
Buy Heeart Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And welcome to another addition, the first addition of twenty
twenty five, A Feminist around the World. I'm gonna stick
with that. Annie, I'm gonna stick with that for sure
this year. I'm not gonna go back and forth.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
You know too.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I was just lamenting because we were talking about like
goals for the show, and I was just lamenting about
how if I could, if I had the time, I don't,
I would go back and correct a lot of irregularities. Also,
we don't have spell check in the system we use,
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so sometimes there's been spelling hers. Just know, I am
aware that that happens.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You're right.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I love like on social media when I am thinking
I'm putting up this great post, whether it's really funny
or thoughtful, I'm like yes, And then you see that
you've like either autocorrected or just completely like messed up
a sentas, and You're like, I.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Can't delete it because people have already started liking it.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
You'll no anyway, it is.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is our first episode four Famist Around the World,
at which we started a whole back how long ago.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
In you got a better memory than I do, so
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I feel like it was at the end of twenty twenty.
It was the end of the year. I remember that
because we had to start doing it in March, and
I got told in like November. We were right, we
got told in March, so that we got told in
November that we had to do six episodes essentially.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
So we had to like do something that would not only.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Follow that requisite, I guess, as well as trying to.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Keep our sanity.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And we were like, we'll do these like shorter episodes
or whatever whatnot. And sometimes these episodes are not short.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Surprise, surprise, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
But yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
So we've been doing this for a while. We've got
a lot of segments out there. We've gotten reached out
to by people who were featured, which was amazing, thank y'all.
But today I thought, we're going to try to do
this every year. I think any because I realized the
last time I did this it was in the middle
of a year, and I was like, oh, because it
was to celebrate our book, which was to almost a
year and a half ago. So this time around, we're
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going to do a feature on us as feminists.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Obviously, if we.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Are doing, if our job, if our career is based
around intersectional feminism, that means we're feminists, right and hopefully
we are good representations of that. We're going to say
we're real least trying, and with that to reintroduce ourselves
for people who are new to the show, people who
may have forgotten us, or maybe who are confused by
(03:04):
who the hosts are. So, as of January twenty twenty five,
it's Annie Reese and SAMMITHA McVeigh. We are the hosts
of steph Mom Never Told You. We have been here
since as a pair, you and I as a duo
twenty nineteen, and he's been here from jump if you
(03:26):
know you know, So, I thought we would do a
quick introduction, reintroduction of who we are as the hosts
of Stepmom Never Told You, as the host of this
segment feminist around the world, and maybe some fun facts,
funish facts in between all this. You know, I love
trying to tell all of Any's secrets, so I'm gonna
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try to probably put that in there somewhere. Don't worry
about it, any It's fine. So let's start off. What's
a good just a simple simple question. What do you
think is a constant.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
On our show?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Like what type of content is consistent to our show?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's a good question because one of the things I
love about our show but I understand can be confounding
to advertisers, is that we talk about pretty much everything.
And I like that freedom.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
That we're able to have nerdy deep dives into movies
and then also a deep look into politics. Like I
like that because I think we're a human like you,
and it's nice to have the variety of content when
things can be so dark in in or or just
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like make you tired in the world of intersectional feminism.
So I think a consistent we have is that we
do our personalities are are we have similarities, but Samantha
and I are very different, but we allow that to
shine and we do a bunch of different stuff. But
we are also always kind of evolving and like, hey,
(05:05):
what if we try this, or let's let's see about this, right.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I think, Yeah, I think the consistency of our show,
if anything, is the chaos, meaning.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
That, yeah, we do talk about everything.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
When it comes to the conversation feminism and intersectional feminism
everything everything that includes all the conversations, whether we are
talking about men or dating or nerd stuff like fan
fiction or Marvel, maybe not Marvel, Like we have the
giant scope of understanding that it does involve feminism, whether
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it's trying to root out feminism or whether it's to
include feminism, or whether it's to pretend like it doesn't exist,
it still exists. So I think like the whole theme
could be called chaos as well as the fact that, yes,
it is about constant and continued growth because we are
learning new things every day. That's a part of the
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beauty of the subject of feminism, intersectional feminism, when we
talk about the sociology of it, the psychology of it,
even like the political understanding of it as well. You
have the room to grow, whether it's learning something that
you might not have understood or learning a new concept.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Because it is being rooted out.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
That's the best way to put it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So I think that's something that we would say is
consistent too at the show.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Right, and with that, we're going to talk a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Just go ahead, if you don't know what intersectional feminism is.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
We're going to kind of explain that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Kimberly Crenshaw, doctor Crenshaw is an activist and in nineteen
eighty nine coined the term intersectionality, which she describes is
how systems of oppression overlap in creed unique experiences for
people who belong to multiple identity categories. So we often
refer to let's say, black queer women in this conversation
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or black trans women in this conversation, and how that
overlaps so many different sectors of the marginalized categories, and
how that can oppress them in each individual way. But
then you put add them all together, and it's a
big wide system that just seems like it's fighting you
down all the.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Time at every angle.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
In our terms, and for us, it is understanding this
point that overlapping an inclusion of all marginalized folks and
opening to the fact that the unique experiences are important
factor in this movement that when we talk about feminism
in the past, we have concerned, we have conversations, and
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we have to confront the fact that it did not
include everyone. So therefore its movement and or its works
not negated necessarily, but it's kind of painted right.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Any yeah, I mean, especially when you look at, as
we have on the show, just the history of whose
concerns got elevated and why who was doing the work
and was getting ignored. In this case, usually white women
were taking the attention and black women who have been
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doing the work or people of color are doing the
work getting ignored and the needs are different. That's kind
of the point of intersectional feminism is that you have
to recognize not everybody's needs are the same, and there
are different levels of oppression that do impact the whole conversation.
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So it is it's very, very important and to move forward.
I think this was such a necessary like it had
already been there. But I'm glad that people of people
are coming around, even though we've heard more than once
people don't know what intersectional feminism is.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean, I love that we got onto the radio shows,
which were all men, but like two and one was
a co host, but the.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Other that was one woman who knew what was going
on and she was ready.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
She was like, let's talk, lady, let's talk.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
She was so ready, but the others were like, wait,
what literal hesitancy feminism? I love my mom. All the
conversations started that way.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Was always say that.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Even people who you know work with us are like,
let's have a show about stuff Dad never.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Told you, sir, you don't understand the show.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Then anyway back to yeah, I think that big conversation
is when we meet the needs of the most oppressed,
then we meet the needs of all the oppressed.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So that's that level.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
If you actually go to the route and find the
group that it's the most oppressed, and you work for
their rights, then you're actually working for everyone because it
benefits everyone. And that's that level of intersectionality that I
think has thank god, come through in the last forty years.
And I say come through at least been recognized, because
we can't have a conversation about equal rights, equity, any
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of these things, and inclusion if we don't talk about
the fact that for so long it played into the
idea that well, women, right, white women, Sure, if you
get it, then.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
That's the end.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's all that matters, right, And that's not that's not
that right, that's not that conversation. And oftentimes in these
types of systems, it's not so much that the oppress
people are being ignored, but that the rich or those
who have the most power are using oppression, as I
would say oppression olympics quote unquote, in order to make
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sure they are never targeted and everyone else is so
everybody is kept down while they continue to grow in power,
if that makes sense. And that's why we have this podcast.
That's why the creation of this podcast was so important.
We know that Kristen came in with this conversation of
wanting to talk about women's issues, and it has grown.
It has grown any You can attest to this more
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than anybody, obviously, because you've seen it from talking about
really important conversations they and they are about fashion and
about like high hills, and about workplace discrimination, which is
all important to this bigger conversation of oh, reproductive rights,
trans rights. Let's talk about all of these things and
how these matters are very very important. It's not just
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a fun, cute conversation that people really want to point
out and be.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Like yeah, like I know.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
The biggest one of the biggest episodes of this podcast,
which I think is a very inventive and very creative episode,
was why don't women have pockets?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And that's we still talk about that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Everybody talks about that women celebrate pockets when we get
addressed with pockets, we tell everybody it's the best. It's
it's not, it's not it's not a stereotype. It's excitement
and celebration for the small things. Okay, But you know
we like going from that to us talking about the
rape culture within churches and talking about the oppression of
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true love weights and why that type of celibacy is
actually conducive for rape culture, and so why we have
to have these types of conversations. But with that, Anie,
I have to ask you, because you've been here, what
have you seen as the changes of this podcast, specifically
from when it started from you as a baby intern
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to today.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
That could be a whole episode in itself, but briefly,
I was annoyed, and I think rightfully so, but I'm
glad that it happened that I was the only female
intern and I was put on that podcast because it's
about women, and I wanted to work on this other podcast.
But anyway, when I got started on it, it changed
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my life. It changed my life because I was in
college and I was still living in that idea of Oh,
I got to find my husband, like that whole thing
I think I heard I learned about asexuality for the
first time through this podcast. But I saw it change
because I felt like it was treated as sort of, oh,
(13:14):
that's cute to know. Today we're talking about like rape,
or we're talking about like these huge issues, and you know,
the topics kind of did shift in the way that
I think the founder, Kristen had always wanted to talk
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about those deep issues but and still and still you know,
the important things of yes, why do we women not pockets?
But I think I saw it kind of shift from oh,
that's cute, Oh that's really important, even in my own
personal working on it, because I was mostly when I.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Started, like.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I was reading all these letters from listeners and
just talking about how the important the show was to
them and how much they learned from it and how
it may have changed their lives. So yeah, I think
it grew in terms of topics willing to be explored.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Right, And I will say because I'm not negating the beginning,
because the way that they opened the show, we know
how stuff works, and you were talking about the founder
who actually passed away recently, and everybody had been celebrating
what he had done and how he had created this
network was about seeking questions that they had and then
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deep digging into it, like doing some heavy, deep research
into it. And that's how how stuff works kind of began,
and stuff your mom never told you was that beginning.
And I want to note they were talking about important conversations.
They were talking about niche subjects as well, and all
those things could be.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
One and the same.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And Kristin has always come in and Caroline is all
come in with pretty fierce conversations and really deep research
in this conversation and topic. What has changed is the
environment of a work culture b podcasting. I mean, let's
be very honest from what they started as to see.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Growing tired of tiptoeing about.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So I really think like they put in an amazing
amount of work. And we know Kristen still in that
work and Caroline's still in that work. But Kristen still
has gone on with unladylike being no hole's bars, saying
exactly how she feels and looking at the deep dark
nature of humanity when it comes to the evolution of feminism,
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like she is doing an amazing job and she is
a true journalist in that level as well as entertainer
and being able to deliver these messages and she did
that from jump, so like we acknowledge and recognize that
so quickly, and we have noted that the listenership has
changed over time. Y'all who are still with us, thank you.
I have so many like I know you get it too,
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but we get so many emails and messages saying, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I've been around since the beginning and I love this
show and we love that.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Like, that's amazing that you were able to come with
us and change with us in our journeys. Because we
know we're very different people from the other creators as
well as other hosts around different shows. We know it's
a little bit different. We know the context is different.
We are very straightforward outside of our amazing fiction and
stuff which has all the cool sound effects, but like
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it's you know, it's we're very straightforward with the information
and we try to give you as much detail as
we can as we can find, whether it's about an
activist or a situation, or the news article. As it
continues to change, that's hard to keep up with current
affairs is hard to keep up with it. It's kind
of a phenomenon with podcasting anyway, because I feel like
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we're creating a time counsule.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I told you my fear that one day somebody were
listening to our podcast were like these fools.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
They didn't know, they didn't know.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Actually, we probably should't go back to like our first
year of episode.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
We're like, oh no, I'll never forget our twenty twenty
prediction episode.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It talks, it does haunt you me. I'm like, yeah,
that's about right, that's about right.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Those as you said, fools.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But yeah, so, like the journey of podcasting has been
so different, and like even when you listen to I
don't know why, I think I'm just thinking about them,
but Kristen and Caroline's original episodes to what they became
towards the end, it's a huge change.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It's a huge shift.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And that's also because the political and environmental and societal
effects of what was happening from their beginning to then
was massive. The changes were massive, and we're kind of
back here and we're like the flux of it where
it just feels like chaos all the time. We can't
talk enough about how much they have done. Yeah, for
this type of platform, like it is so important because
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they were part of the beginning. There were the beginning,
especially when it came to feminist podcasting, like they were
there at the jump, not sure what was happening and
not sure what was going to happen, but here we.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Are and not getting much support, to be honest, and
also like they were so great to me in terms
of like they would ask my opinion, they would like,
what do you think about this? And like I said,
I was a young college student, was internalized misogyny. You
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didn't realize it at the point at that point, but
it just having them treat me like oh yeah, yeah,
like somebody, okay, let me ask you about this. What
do you think about this? What about this? And at
one time Kristen and I were talking and she was like,
what do you think this show is? Like what is
it to you that you find so important in it?
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Because I had said I think it, I think it
should keep going. I think it's really important, and I
was like, we you know, everything we do like we
can the pockets thing that has a history that if
you break it apart, is about like the impression of women,
like everything is that? So yeah, I don't want to
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sound dismissive of all at all of those right those topics,
but I was just it was eye opening for me
and it did change my life.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So yes, I love that, And I do want to ask, like,
what do you have anything specific that you think of
when you're like, yeah, this is one thing that changed
in me or something that I think differently on now
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than I did the because of this work that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Hmmm.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I mean obviously I view the world differently and I
look at sources differently. I actually really appreciate this where
I'm more skeptical of like, Okay, where did this come from?
Why are we saying this? How is it being worded?
That's something positive I personally have gotten from working on
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this show that I've noticed. And then I think I
was already an empathetic person, but I think I became
more empathetic to people who do work in any way
that involves marginalized people and helping marginalize people of just
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like you know, one week, we had to do a
whole set of episodes on sexual assaults and I just
remember thinking that this is this is so much. It's
draining me so much, and it's hurting me so much,
and other like my other colleagues aren't having to do it,
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so like that of kind of recognizing the emotional drain
of work like this, I.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Think, yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think from me starting which was much later than you,
I was working in a whole different field to this,
like looking at the intellectual levels of oppression and what
that looks like today and how often we ignore those
those statistics and why these statistics are important. Not only that,
like how often women are left out or marginalized people
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are left out altogether in those statistics was eye opening,
Like you would think it'd be common sense in so
many things, but just realizing how like far behind we
could be or we are often it's really disappointing. But
at the same time, like how many people are doing
this work or have been doing this work has been
phenomenal to to watch, like yeah, seeing and discovering many
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of the marginalized people who are like, yeah, doesn't exist,
so I'm gonna do it Like that's also been like
just inspiring. But it's been interesting to look up and
research just the communities I'm learning about new little areas
and communities and indigenous groups that I'm like, why didn't I.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Know about this critical theory? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Okay, and I think it's really important. Again, like the
amount of this type of conversation takes, the amount of
stress and the amount of mental health expensed on this.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I don't know how else to.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Say it, but yeah, So, like Carolina said that she's
been able to step away from having to constantly be
connected with all of the good and the bad, and honestly,
you know, we're getting so much of the bad it's
hard to see the good sometimes.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And she was just like, I love it.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I love being able to kind of disconnect, and we
haven't been able to really do that, so it's a
whole thing. But yeah, so, like I know, it's really
nice to be able to disconnect a little bit, and
that's kind of one of the stressors of this job.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So I am now hyper aware.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
And I think you and I.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Have talked about this often, that we're never not working
because whether or not, it's just having a conversation with
someone about an episode or about something it's about like.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Hey, I read this book.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I think you really like it. I think you like it.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
For a show, Hey, hey I like this movie. Oh
we should talk about this movie on this show. Like
any of these kinds of conversations come up so quickly
that it's like, yeah, we never stop working. So I
think I've just realized how much is going on, like
even with I probably still don't know, but like thirty
percent of what's going on. But it's a massive amount
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of intake, like of information. So it's it's quite.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Not debilitating, but unnerving.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I guess that I'm hyper aware of this that I'm like, oh,
and obviously we have a lot to say about our
work and the work of this podcast specifically, which we.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Do want to keep shouting out.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And with that, we're going to make this a two parter. Okay, Annie, Yeah,
I did my taing already only the first.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Week of I'm back, and I've already made this a
two parter. But hey, it's gonna be great, I promise.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Absolutely absolutely. Oh Well, in the meantime, listeners, if you'd
like to contact us, you can. You can email us
at Stephanie and mom Stuff at I Heeartmedia dot com
or Hello as Stuff onever told you dot com. They
will both go to the same place, so don't panic.
I panic, so but you don't have to panic. You
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can find us on Blue Sky at mom Stuff Podcast.
You can find us over on Instagram and TikTok at
stuff one never told you we're on YouTube. We have
a tea public store, and we have a book you
can get wherever you got your books. Thanks as always
to our super producer Christina, executive producer and our contributor Joey.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Thank you and let us know what your thoughts are.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
About how you've changed in this podcast. Christina specifically you
super producer.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yes, yes, yes yes, and thank you so much for listening.
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Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to stuff I've never told you production of
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
And welcome to another addition, the first addition of twenty
twenty five, A Feminist around the World. I'm gonna stick
with that. Annie, I'm gonna stick with that for sure
this year. I'm not gonna go back and forth.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
You know too.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I was just lamenting because we were talking about like
goals for the show, and I was just lamenting about
how if I could, if I had the time, I don't,
I would go back and correct a lot of irregularities. Also,
we don't have spell check in the system we use,
(00:57):
so sometimes there's been spelling hers. Just know, I am
aware that that happens.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You're right.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I love like on social media when I am thinking
I'm putting up this great post, whether it's really funny
or thoughtful, I'm like yes, And then you see that
you've like either autocorrected or just completely like messed up
a sentas, and You're like, I.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Can't delete it because people have already started liking it.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
You'll no anyway, it is.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is our first episode four Famist Around the World,
at which we started a whole back how long ago.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
In you got a better memory than I do, so
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I feel like it was at the end of twenty twenty.
It was the end of the year. I remember that
because we had to start doing it in March, and
I got told in like November. We were right, we
got told in March, so that we got told in
November that we had to do six episodes essentially.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
So we had to like do something that would not only.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Follow that requisite, I guess, as well as trying to.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Keep our sanity.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And we were like, we'll do these like shorter episodes
or whatever whatnot. And sometimes these episodes are not short.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Surprise, surprise, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
But yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
So we've been doing this for a while. We've got
a lot of segments out there. We've gotten reached out
to by people who were featured, which was amazing, thank y'all.
But today I thought, we're going to try to do
this every year. I think any because I realized the
last time I did this it was in the middle
of a year, and I was like, oh, because it
was to celebrate our book, which was to almost a
year and a half ago. So this time around, we're
(02:39):
going to do a feature on us as feminists.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Obviously, if we.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Are doing, if our job, if our career is based
around intersectional feminism, that means we're feminists, right and hopefully
we are good representations of that. We're going to say
we're real least trying, and with that to reintroduce ourselves
for people who are new to the show, people who
may have forgotten us, or maybe who are confused by
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who the hosts are. So, as of January twenty twenty five,
it's Annie Reese and SAMMITHA McVeigh. We are the hosts
of steph Mom Never Told You. We have been here
since as a pair, you and I as a duo
twenty nineteen, and he's been here from jump if you
(03:26):
know you know, So, I thought we would do a
quick introduction, reintroduction of who we are as the hosts
of Stepmom Never Told You, as the host of this
segment feminist around the world, and maybe some fun facts,
funish facts in between all this. You know, I love
trying to tell all of Any's secrets, so I'm gonna
(03:47):
try to probably put that in there somewhere. Don't worry
about it, any It's fine. So let's start off. What's
a good just a simple simple question. What do you
think is a constant.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
On our show?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Like what type of content is consistent to our show?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's a good question because one of the things I
love about our show but I understand can be confounding
to advertisers, is that we talk about pretty much everything.
And I like that freedom.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
That we're able to have nerdy deep dives into movies
and then also a deep look into politics. Like I
like that because I think we're a human like you,
and it's nice to have the variety of content when
things can be so dark in in or or just
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like make you tired in the world of intersectional feminism.
So I think a consistent we have is that we
do our personalities are are we have similarities, but Samantha
and I are very different, but we allow that to
shine and we do a bunch of different stuff. But
we are also always kind of evolving and like, hey,
(05:05):
what if we try this, or let's let's see about this, right.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I think, Yeah, I think the consistency of our show,
if anything, is the chaos, meaning.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
That, yeah, we do talk about everything.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
When it comes to the conversation feminism and intersectional feminism
everything everything that includes all the conversations, whether we are
talking about men or dating or nerd stuff like fan
fiction or Marvel, maybe not Marvel, Like we have the
giant scope of understanding that it does involve feminism, whether
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it's trying to root out feminism or whether it's to
include feminism, or whether it's to pretend like it doesn't exist,
it still exists. So I think like the whole theme
could be called chaos as well as the fact that, yes,
it is about constant and continued growth because we are
learning new things every day. That's a part of the
(06:02):
beauty of the subject of feminism, intersectional feminism, when we
talk about the sociology of it, the psychology of it,
even like the political understanding of it as well. You
have the room to grow, whether it's learning something that
you might not have understood or learning a new concept.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Because it is being rooted out.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
That's the best way to put it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So I think that's something that we would say is
consistent too at the show.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Right, and with that, we're going to talk a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Just go ahead, if you don't know what intersectional feminism is.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
We're going to kind of explain that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Kimberly Crenshaw, doctor Crenshaw is an activist and in nineteen
eighty nine coined the term intersectionality, which she describes is
how systems of oppression overlap in creed unique experiences for
people who belong to multiple identity categories. So we often
refer to let's say, black queer women in this conversation
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or black trans women in this conversation, and how that
overlaps so many different sectors of the marginalized categories, and
how that can oppress them in each individual way. But
then you put add them all together, and it's a
big wide system that just seems like it's fighting you
down all the.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Time at every angle.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
In our terms, and for us, it is understanding this
point that overlapping an inclusion of all marginalized folks and
opening to the fact that the unique experiences are important
factor in this movement that when we talk about feminism
in the past, we have concerned, we have conversations, and
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we have to confront the fact that it did not
include everyone. So therefore its movement and or its works
not negated necessarily, but it's kind of painted right.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Any yeah, I mean, especially when you look at, as
we have on the show, just the history of whose
concerns got elevated and why who was doing the work
and was getting ignored. In this case, usually white women
were taking the attention and black women who have been
(08:24):
doing the work or people of color are doing the
work getting ignored and the needs are different. That's kind
of the point of intersectional feminism is that you have
to recognize not everybody's needs are the same, and there
are different levels of oppression that do impact the whole conversation.
(08:47):
So it is it's very, very important and to move forward.
I think this was such a necessary like it had
already been there. But I'm glad that people of people
are coming around, even though we've heard more than once
people don't know what intersectional feminism is.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean, I love that we got onto the radio shows,
which were all men, but like two and one was
a co host, but the.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Other that was one woman who knew what was going
on and she was ready.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
She was like, let's talk, lady, let's talk.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
She was so ready, but the others were like, wait,
what literal hesitancy feminism? I love my mom. All the
conversations started that way.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Was always say that.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Even people who you know work with us are like,
let's have a show about stuff Dad never.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Told you, sir, you don't understand the show.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Then anyway back to yeah, I think that big conversation
is when we meet the needs of the most oppressed,
then we meet the needs of all the oppressed.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So that's that level.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
If you actually go to the route and find the
group that it's the most oppressed, and you work for
their rights, then you're actually working for everyone because it
benefits everyone. And that's that level of intersectionality that I
think has thank god, come through in the last forty years.
And I say come through at least been recognized, because
we can't have a conversation about equal rights, equity, any
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of these things, and inclusion if we don't talk about
the fact that for so long it played into the
idea that well, women, right, white women, Sure, if you
get it, then.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
That's the end.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's all that matters, right, And that's not that's not
that right, that's not that conversation. And oftentimes in these
types of systems, it's not so much that the oppress
people are being ignored, but that the rich or those
who have the most power are using oppression, as I
would say oppression olympics quote unquote, in order to make
(10:44):
sure they are never targeted and everyone else is so
everybody is kept down while they continue to grow in power,
if that makes sense. And that's why we have this podcast.
That's why the creation of this podcast was so important.
We know that Kristen came in with this conversation of
wanting to talk about women's issues, and it has grown.
It has grown any You can attest to this more
(11:06):
than anybody, obviously, because you've seen it from talking about
really important conversations they and they are about fashion and
about like high hills, and about workplace discrimination, which is
all important to this bigger conversation of oh, reproductive rights,
trans rights. Let's talk about all of these things and
how these matters are very very important. It's not just
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a fun, cute conversation that people really want to point
out and be.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Like yeah, like I know.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
The biggest one of the biggest episodes of this podcast,
which I think is a very inventive and very creative episode,
was why don't women have pockets?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And that's we still talk about that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Everybody talks about that women celebrate pockets when we get
addressed with pockets, we tell everybody it's the best. It's
it's not, it's not it's not a stereotype. It's excitement
and celebration for the small things. Okay, But you know
we like going from that to us talking about the
rape culture within churches and talking about the oppression of
(12:05):
true love weights and why that type of celibacy is
actually conducive for rape culture, and so why we have
to have these types of conversations. But with that, Anie,
I have to ask you, because you've been here, what
have you seen as the changes of this podcast, specifically
from when it started from you as a baby intern
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to today.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
That could be a whole episode in itself, but briefly,
I was annoyed, and I think rightfully so, but I'm
glad that it happened that I was the only female
intern and I was put on that podcast because it's
about women, and I wanted to work on this other podcast.
But anyway, when I got started on it, it changed
(12:52):
my life. It changed my life because I was in
college and I was still living in that idea of Oh,
I got to find my husband, like that whole thing
I think I heard I learned about asexuality for the
first time through this podcast. But I saw it change
because I felt like it was treated as sort of, oh,
(13:14):
that's cute to know. Today we're talking about like rape,
or we're talking about like these huge issues, and you know,
the topics kind of did shift in the way that
I think the founder, Kristen had always wanted to talk
(13:34):
about those deep issues but and still and still you know,
the important things of yes, why do we women not pockets?
But I think I saw it kind of shift from oh,
that's cute, Oh that's really important, even in my own
personal working on it, because I was mostly when I.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Started, like.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I was reading all these letters from listeners and
just talking about how the important the show was to
them and how much they learned from it and how
it may have changed their lives. So yeah, I think
it grew in terms of topics willing to be explored.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Right, And I will say because I'm not negating the beginning,
because the way that they opened the show, we know
how stuff works, and you were talking about the founder
who actually passed away recently, and everybody had been celebrating
what he had done and how he had created this
network was about seeking questions that they had and then
(14:41):
deep digging into it, like doing some heavy, deep research
into it. And that's how how stuff works kind of began,
and stuff your mom never told you was that beginning.
And I want to note they were talking about important conversations.
They were talking about niche subjects as well, and all
those things could be.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
One and the same.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And Kristin has always come in and Caroline is all
come in with pretty fierce conversations and really deep research
in this conversation and topic. What has changed is the
environment of a work culture b podcasting. I mean, let's
be very honest from what they started as to see.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Growing tired of tiptoeing about.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So I really think like they put in an amazing
amount of work. And we know Kristen still in that
work and Caroline's still in that work. But Kristen still
has gone on with unladylike being no hole's bars, saying
exactly how she feels and looking at the deep dark
nature of humanity when it comes to the evolution of feminism,
(15:47):
like she is doing an amazing job and she is
a true journalist in that level as well as entertainer
and being able to deliver these messages and she did
that from jump, so like we acknowledge and recognize that
so quickly, and we have noted that the listenership has
changed over time. Y'all who are still with us, thank you.
I have so many like I know you get it too,
(16:07):
but we get so many emails and messages saying, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I've been around since the beginning and I love this
show and we love that.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Like, that's amazing that you were able to come with
us and change with us in our journeys. Because we
know we're very different people from the other creators as
well as other hosts around different shows. We know it's
a little bit different. We know the context is different.
We are very straightforward outside of our amazing fiction and
stuff which has all the cool sound effects, but like
(16:34):
it's you know, it's we're very straightforward with the information
and we try to give you as much detail as
we can as we can find, whether it's about an
activist or a situation, or the news article. As it
continues to change, that's hard to keep up with current
affairs is hard to keep up with it. It's kind
of a phenomenon with podcasting anyway, because I feel like
(16:55):
we're creating a time counsule.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I told you my fear that one day somebody were
listening to our podcast were like these fools.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
They didn't know, they didn't know.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Actually, we probably should't go back to like our first
year of episode.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
We're like, oh no, I'll never forget our twenty twenty
prediction episode.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It talks, it does haunt you me. I'm like, yeah,
that's about right, that's about right.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Those as you said, fools.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But yeah, so, like the journey of podcasting has been
so different, and like even when you listen to I
don't know why, I think I'm just thinking about them,
but Kristen and Caroline's original episodes to what they became
towards the end, it's a huge change.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It's a huge shift.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And that's also because the political and environmental and societal
effects of what was happening from their beginning to then
was massive. The changes were massive, and we're kind of
back here and we're like the flux of it where
it just feels like chaos all the time. We can't
talk enough about how much they have done. Yeah, for
this type of platform, like it is so important because
(18:05):
they were part of the beginning. There were the beginning,
especially when it came to feminist podcasting, like they were
there at the jump, not sure what was happening and
not sure what was going to happen, but here we.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Are and not getting much support, to be honest, and
also like they were so great to me in terms
of like they would ask my opinion, they would like,
what do you think about this? And like I said,
I was a young college student, was internalized misogyny. You
(18:37):
didn't realize it at the point at that point, but
it just having them treat me like oh yeah, yeah,
like somebody, okay, let me ask you about this. What
do you think about this? What about this? And at
one time Kristen and I were talking and she was like,
what do you think this show is? Like what is
it to you that you find so important in it?
(19:00):
Because I had said I think it, I think it
should keep going. I think it's really important, and I
was like, we you know, everything we do like we
can the pockets thing that has a history that if
you break it apart, is about like the impression of women,
like everything is that? So yeah, I don't want to
(19:22):
sound dismissive of all at all of those right those topics,
but I was just it was eye opening for me
and it did change my life.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So yes, I love that, And I do want to ask, like,
what do you have anything specific that you think of
when you're like, yeah, this is one thing that changed
in me or something that I think differently on now
(19:53):
than I did the because of this work that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Hmmm.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I mean obviously I view the world differently and I
look at sources differently. I actually really appreciate this where
I'm more skeptical of like, Okay, where did this come from?
Why are we saying this? How is it being worded?
That's something positive I personally have gotten from working on
(20:20):
this show that I've noticed. And then I think I
was already an empathetic person, but I think I became
more empathetic to people who do work in any way
that involves marginalized people and helping marginalize people of just
(20:41):
like you know, one week, we had to do a
whole set of episodes on sexual assaults and I just
remember thinking that this is this is so much. It's
draining me so much, and it's hurting me so much,
and other like my other colleagues aren't having to do it,
(21:04):
so like that of kind of recognizing the emotional drain
of work like this, I.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Think, yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think from me starting which was much later than you,
I was working in a whole different field to this,
like looking at the intellectual levels of oppression and what
that looks like today and how often we ignore those
those statistics and why these statistics are important. Not only that,
like how often women are left out or marginalized people
(21:36):
are left out altogether in those statistics was eye opening,
Like you would think it'd be common sense in so
many things, but just realizing how like far behind we
could be or we are often it's really disappointing. But
at the same time, like how many people are doing
this work or have been doing this work has been
phenomenal to to watch, like yeah, seeing and discovering many
(21:58):
of the marginalized people who are like, yeah, doesn't exist,
so I'm gonna do it Like that's also been like
just inspiring. But it's been interesting to look up and
research just the communities I'm learning about new little areas
and communities and indigenous groups that I'm like, why didn't I.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Know about this critical theory? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Okay, and I think it's really important. Again, like the
amount of this type of conversation takes, the amount of
stress and the amount of mental health expensed on this.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I don't know how else to.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Say it, but yeah, So, like Carolina said that she's
been able to step away from having to constantly be
connected with all of the good and the bad, and honestly,
you know, we're getting so much of the bad it's
hard to see the good sometimes.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And she was just like, I love it.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I love being able to kind of disconnect, and we
haven't been able to really do that, so it's a
whole thing. But yeah, so, like I know, it's really
nice to be able to disconnect a little bit, and
that's kind of one of the stressors of this job.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So I am now hyper aware.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
And I think you and I.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Have talked about this often, that we're never not working
because whether or not, it's just having a conversation with
someone about an episode or about something it's about like.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Hey, I read this book.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I think you really like it. I think you like it.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
For a show, Hey, hey I like this movie. Oh
we should talk about this movie on this show. Like
any of these kinds of conversations come up so quickly
that it's like, yeah, we never stop working. So I
think I've just realized how much is going on, like
even with I probably still don't know, but like thirty
percent of what's going on. But it's a massive amount
(23:39):
of intake, like of information. So it's it's quite.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Not debilitating, but unnerving.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I guess that I'm hyper aware of this that I'm like, oh,
and obviously we have a lot to say about our
work and the work of this podcast specifically, which we.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Do want to keep shouting out.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And with that, we're going to make this a two parter. Okay, Annie, Yeah,
I did my taing already only the first.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Week of I'm back, and I've already made this a
two parter. But hey, it's gonna be great, I promise.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Absolutely absolutely. Oh Well, in the meantime, listeners, if you'd
like to contact us, you can. You can email us
at Stephanie and mom Stuff at I Heeartmedia dot com
or Hello as Stuff onever told you dot com. They
will both go to the same place, so don't panic.
I panic, so but you don't have to panic. You
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can find us on Blue Sky at mom Stuff Podcast.
You can find us over on Instagram and TikTok at
stuff one never told you we're on YouTube. We have
a tea public store, and we have a book you
can get wherever you got your books. Thanks as always
to our super producer Christina, executive producer and our contributor Joey.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Thank you and let us know what your thoughts are.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
About how you've changed in this podcast. Christina specifically you
super producer.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yes, yes, yes yes, and thank you so much for listening.
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