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June 27, 2024 12 mins

In a follow-up to our recent episode about the conservative fear-mongering around gay behavior in animals, we read some notes from listeners about the topic. 

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff
I never told your prodiction my Heart Radio. And welcome
to another edition of Happy Hour. As always, drink responsibly

if you choose to do so. Are you slipping on anything.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Smantha Water, I keep myself hat rated.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm sipping on warm beer. No warm beer, we are.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Unfortunately, we weren't able Samantha and I to work out
our vacation dates at the same time.

Speaker 2 (00:46):

Speaker 1 (00:47):
So it's been a bit of a scramble covering the content.
So this one is going to be kind of a
shorter one.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I think. Who knows. I did want to started This
was a bit all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's stuff that I cut from my previous Happy Hour
on gay animals.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Because that episode was.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Going a bit longer I didn't get to and because
Pride Month is coming to a close, I thought I
would talk about it. But speaking of gay animals, I
did want to mention some thoughts some people wrote in
about that one. Yeah, so first of all, Michelle reminded me,

I totally forgot about this, So if you haven't listened
to that episode, I was mostly I was lamenting the
facts that this documentary came out, which I still haven't seen,
but it was about like gay behavior in the animal kingdom,
and I was talking about I had experienced that the
backlash that came from conservatives about that documentary of that's

not natural. Animals don't do that a lot, and so
I was sort of lamenting that, and I was talking about,
I don't think we should.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Compare. That shouldn't be like our benchmark, right.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
But I said at the end, it's not that I
don't I'm not interested in that because I'm a huge
dork and I love nature and I love animals. So
I was like, hey, please send in if you've got
your favorite clare behavior in the animal kingdom. So Michelle
reminded me there is the book and Tango Mix three.

It's a children's book. It's illustrated, and it's about the
two male penguins that came together and raised a young
penguin together. If I'm remembering correctly, this happened like in
New York Zoo, but it was like based on the
like real thing that happened. But here's the note for Michelle, Well,

you asked for our favorite gay activities among animals. I've
come across more than one story about pairs of male
penguins raising children together. It's super sweet and if the
conservatives want to use animal activity to decide what should
be done, here's proof that two men can raise a
child together. And unfortunately, I love that you brought this up.

But unfortunately this is one of the most banned books,
of course, But that was really interesting in contrast with
a message we got from Lena, who brought up this
point that I actually hadn't really heard, but when Lina
sent it to us, I was like, oh, yeah, that
makes sense. Lena wrote, I had a biology class an

undergrad wherein we looked at how physical anatomy influenced different
animals mating practices. So having some awareness of how the
animal kingdom behaves when it's getting it's frisky on seems
really unsettling to me too. I've also heard a different
take on human sexuality, focusing on same sex attracting and
sexual behaviors. That's just as weirdly homophobic. I've heard some

religious folks make the argument that because same sex behavior
happens in the animal world, that humans shouldn't emulate it
because God put us in charge of all the animals,
and since we are above them and the eyes of God,
we can't possibly be gay because of that. It's all
very bend over backwards to uphold the bigotry.

Speaker 2 (04:29):

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I had never heard that, but when you say that,
that makes complete sense to me that people use that argument.
And it is fascinating how as you say clearly either
way it's unnatural in the animal kingdom, so you shouldn't

do it, or it's unnatural because animals do it, so
you shouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
And I'm definitely hearted as like, you're not an animal,
don't do that, You're not in the you know, like
all these things. So how does it? And it has
typically come from a conservative side of that as well,
so you're like.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, and like I said, I know all of us
have experienced to this, but sort of the the way
that the argument is articulated around, men are just inherently
biologically sexual things, right, And so that to me sounds

like you're saying they're animal Like, you're saying they're animalistic
and they're instinctual, so that would imply okay, then we
aren't above animals, right, But then.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
You're also saying.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Like it just feels that as I said in that episode,
I can't square this. I just can't square it right
because it feels very It just to me feels that
whole boys will be boys, they're not in control. Feels
like you're talking about not a human right.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
This goes back to what we've talked about many times
where they're like women can't lead, Yeah, just both like
this scenario because they're not manly enough, because you know,
men are leaders and they're in control and women are emotional.
But then you're like all these other things like but
you excuse men and also make them seem really really
ignorant and naive, like they can't raise children, they can't

be alone with children type of conversations, or they shouldn't
be expected to clean anything because they're not they don't
know how to do that, like this level, Like but
then which one is it? And then it's that same
conversation of like, yeah, but you're saying it's because of
this if they shouldn't be doing this, or it's because
of that they should be doing this, But yet you're
using both like you're straddling the fence once again, and

you're kind of making making this an oxymoron in itself.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point about
like the the raising of children, because in at least
like Western US society, it was very it was perceived
as it still is. We've talked about it many times,
like women do that.

Speaker 3 (07:31):

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I guess I should say Western US like a modernized society.
I don't know, because we've talked about now indigenous people
that was not the case. But but like, yeah, they
the men aren't really involved in raising the children. They're
more involved in like working and bringing how money. So

it is interesting that, Yeah, you're also saying they can't
do that.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Right, but they can do this other thing that's way
more responsibility.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
You're like that, it's how many times have we heard
the like religious man cheats on his wife. But but
that was like temptation or his like proclivity of just
being a man. That's just what happens when so these

big ones. Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to say
is it's so manufactured.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's so.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Just to keep the patriarchy in place. Whichever story you're
gonna tell, they'll spend it whichever way.

Speaker 3 (08:49):

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, So I'm glad thanks to both of those listeners,
with that because I do one story.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I know it's been around, but Keith makes me go
back to the Parks and Wreck episode which you don't
know the way, where she does a cute thing has
a penguin wedding. It turns out that they're both male.
Everybody gets in arms and they're like, you are you know,
promoting homosexuality and all these things, and they're like, they
actually are mating and are together, and then she takes

into a more open city area where they can live
happily together.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Right. Oh my gosh, I totally forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I always I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
That sounds like we just did we just recorded an
episode on but I'm a cheerleader. That sounds like the
most absurd conversion therapy for animals.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Like good luck with that. Have fun with this.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, And I do feel like there's a third thing,
which is probably the most accurate, but it's still weaponized
sometimes where it's it's like, yeah, I like the animal
is gonna hump you.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
I don't want to say about it.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
That's just a whole little conversation about dominance and my
female dog. She humps like like it is what it
is a thing from either one.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, yeah, it's just fascinating. Yeah to me, Yes
to me, these arguments.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
It's fascinating and sad.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's really sad. It's honestly bumming me out because I no,
I mean, I just feel like, like I said, I
am a big I love like nature documentaries. I love
that kind of stuff. And now it's become politicized. I mean,

I'm sure it always was, but it feels like now
it's become this huge artument point that I have heard.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I think it's just a regurgitation because it comes back
again like all these things that you would think at
this point is like that is so outdated and already
been proven wrong. Why are we back here again? But
then we've got this new generation of adults who were
not adults at the time when it was happening, so
they would bring it back without fully taking it through.

So but yeah, but it is like constant, like why
are we doing this? Why are you doing this?

Speaker 3 (11:27):
So need for this?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
It is really unnecessary that. And Tango Makes Three is
a very nice book. Yeah, it's very lovely.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
It's supposed to be cute, but it be.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, listeners. Thanks to both of these listeners writing in.
First of all, cheers to everybody. We love hearing from you.
If you have any more thoughts about this, I would
love to hear them, just your thoughts in general. We
didn't get to the other thing I was going to
talk about because it's about fair fiction. I was just
a little worried go off the rails to welcome back.

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