March 6, 2025 • 15 mins
Sometimes echoes of your past life hang over you. Anney and Samantha discuss such instances, of change, both personally and on a larger scale.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to Stuff Will Never Tell you, a production
of My Heart Radio, and welcome to another edition of
Happy Hour. As always, if you are choosing to drink,
whatever you're choosing to do, please do so responsibly. Samantha,
(00:28):
what are you doing my bubble water? That's so yeah?
Uh huh?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know Mustaple, what about you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, I'm drinking. I don't know if people remember this,
but I had a real throat issue when we recorded
our audio book, and ever since then, I've been drinking
like warm water and lemon and ginger a lot. That's
what I'm drinking today is Marti Gras. So I have
(01:00):
friends coming over and there'll be plenty of drinks later
to be had, so save up for that. Yeah, I
almost did this. Happy Hour was almost my investigation into
some of the more sexualized trends of things like Marty
Gras and Saint Patrick's Day. But I feel like I
actually have to research that, and that's not what Happy
(01:22):
Hour is about. So that's not what we're doing today.
I actually wanted to talk about kind of when you
go back to a place she used to frequent a lot,
like when you have these memories that come back because
you can see the time of your life you were
(01:46):
in when you were in this place. And the reason
I wanted to talk about this is because last weekend,
as you know, Samantha, I had a bunch of friends
that I've known since elementary school, middle school come over
and we went to Piedmont Park, which is this big
popular park in Atlanta. And I used to run every day,
(02:12):
every day in Piedmont Park and I stopped during the pandemic.
And also, my knees are bad, so I've tried to
pick it up a couple times since the pandemic and
it does make me sad, but it my knees are
not good anymore. I went to years of physical therapy
and they're just not. It hasn't worked out for me.
(02:34):
I'm going to admit, if I'm being honest with myself,
I haven't been completely consistent with it. I was for
a long time though, and it still didn't seem to
be be working. But definitely not now. Definitely not now.
But it was just strange because I've remembered how big
a part of my life that was, and it was
(02:57):
I felt like I could almost see myself like running
by every day I would do this, and it's completely changed.
I was telling Samantha before this, it's got like all
these new pathways and it's got like a little swamp area,
it's got a new dog park, and it just it
(03:21):
just brought back all of these memories and made me
kind of sad of like, you know, I would have
really loved to run this at the time when I
was running. That would have been really nice. But it
was also kind of a closure almost. It was like, yeah,
but you don't do that anymore. That's not who you
(03:42):
are anymore. You had your time, you had your time running,
and you didn't take care of yourself like everyone told
you you should. But it was really lovely despite all
of the the memory he's resurfacing, because I was with
(04:02):
my friends and it was a nice day. It's the
first day of March, and we were helping a friend
with her her business and we were taking all these
pictures of her the thing she's made, and uh, it
was really nice, but it just felt strange. It felt
like this used to be such a big part of
(04:25):
my life and now I was like, oh God, I
don't recognize this anymore. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Oh yeah, Like I feel like that's just the ever
growing places. Every time I go somewhere that I used
to go to all the time and then there's a
new building, I'm like, what what is this? Like here
in Atlanta, we have a place called East Lana Village,
and I guess when I even before I've moved there,
it was kind of like the hip Yeah, yeah, I
(04:54):
know it's un dumb, but like a place to be.
But with like the grungier venue. There's a place called
the Earl who has been threatened to be shut down
every five years, but like has a legacy when it
comes to the shows that they would have, the food,
that they would have, the dive bar etiquette, but like
the good Okra, Like it was really interesting space. But
(05:17):
then all of a sudden, all these restaurants popped up
that's like three or four star restaurants with all these accolades,
and we're like, what is this? And as gentrification happened,
it really overtook that area to the point that there
was like these condos right next to one of the largest,
like one of the oldest grubby bar, divy food places
that we used to love and like you can't even
(05:39):
get to that without actually walking into someone's driveway. Weirdly
like it. The way they have set up is so interesting.
But when I see areas like that where I used
to visit and being like, what has happened here? And
you don't you don't see it. Like Atlanta has a
place called West Midtown, which was not the name now
(06:03):
and everybody's making it happen, And people who've lived there forever,
people who lived there, who lived there before gentrification and
have been ousted, are angry about this because they're like,
this is not what that is. Stop trying to make
this happen, like very angry. But with like running, I
do that too, because I'm like I used to run here.
I like the fact that I don't do p street
(06:23):
road races anymore, which is pretty big here in Atlanta
and the Southeast in general, like seventy five thousand participants
at one point, like all these things, and like getting
into it was a lottery, and I've been every time
I've ever entered, I've been able to get in. But
because I'm the same way, my knees are not okay,
to the point that the amount of like stretchy funky
(06:43):
sounds and popping sounds that's come from it, and I'm like,
I'm a little concerned about what's happening. But like we're
talking about Cardiac Hill, and I was trying to explain
that to my parents, even though it's still very much
in existence. But having the memory, I'm trying to remember
when I used to do that and how much I
hated it but loved conquering it. But like all of
(07:04):
these moments of like it just kind of going away.
And I haven't participated in the p Street road race
since the last time you and I did it, Yes,
and your top I beat your time for the first
time ever because you were like, I'm done rightly so
and I hadn't like trained, But like, it's weird getting
(07:24):
older and then looking back at an area that you've
lived in and for so long. Aging is an interesting
concept because I've been thinking about, like how I used
to see things, going out doing these things, doing these activities,
and I don't know what's going on anymore because I
don't do activity.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yes, that brings me to another point I wanted to
bring up, which I mentioned to you. There is a
popular spot in Piedmont Park called Park Tavern and I
(08:06):
we were walking back my apartment. I'm very lucky I
can walk to Piedmont Park. I used to walk to
our office. That was nice, but we don't have our
office isn't there anymore. But I used to go to
this place a lot when I was younger. It does
a lot of like like it would have an ice
(08:28):
skating rink during the holidays, as a lot of stuff
like that. We had an office party there once. It
was disastrous, but that's besides the point. That was not
Park Tavern's fault. That's where I accidentally called my boyfriend
my friend and we had a big fight about it later. Anyway,
it was so different and it was so loud, and
(08:49):
it was so packed, and I just remember thinking like
this has changed so much since I have been here,
since like my days of coming here and doing this,
and I don't know, I just felt. And then I
was trying to look at like we could maybe go
to some other bars that are nearby, but all the
(09:09):
other bars I was thinking about were closed. They don't
exist anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, So, well, when you were telling me about what
was happening there, like surprised you. It surprised me because
like part Tavern is known for jazz. It used to
do like near live music and had some weird still
surprises me that they serve sushi.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It still throws me off. I'm like, wait, what so
all of that to say, like there's definitely a growth,
because you were saying it was like very sports bar
is like and I was like what because I don't remember.
It's been years since I've been there. Don't get me wrong,
it used to be a great place for brunch. You
would go to an activity at the Piedmont Park and
(09:52):
then go to Park Tavern to have a drink, like
just those different things. So I do remember people being
there for like kickball, but we don't consider kickball to
be that level of like a sports bar, right.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
No, okay, I don't think so tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
But yeah, I just found that very interesting, Uh, that
what you were saying, because that's I feel like it's
a pretty big change.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It felt like a very big change to me. Like
the AstroTurf alone, I feel like it used to be
like more wood panels and I don't know, but it
was loud and packed and I just felt so out
of place because I went in thinking it was going
to be this one thing and it was not that thing. Also,
we had this experience recently, we got to hang out
(10:39):
in person with Christina, super producer Christina. They have the
system too, where you walk up to the bar now
and to order food there instead of having a waiter
come to you, and that line was huge. So ah, yeah,
(10:59):
it was. It's interesting. I don't know. This might have been.
They do a lot of events there. I was worried
it might be Oysterfest, to be honest, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Uh, But.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So I don't know. Maybe this was a special It
was I think the first day of March Madness. I
don't know much about March Madness. It was March, so
it's possible. But I mean maybe that maybe they're not
like that normally, but it would. It's a lot to
put down astro turf in a bar anyway. I don't know.
(11:33):
I was just like experiencing these kind of strange like
memories encroaching on me, like ghost like you used to
do this all the time, do you remember that. It's like,
oh god, I did. And it feels like a different person.
It feels like a different life.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It really does. When I think about running as well,
like doing when I mentioned the people that I used
to know half marathons, I used to do two a
year at least for like five years. That seems ridiculous. Yeah,
that conversation. I see pictures of me doing little like
races here and there, and I was like, what.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Is that me?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But it is interesting because it Yeah, also living in
an area and watching the changes, wishing for things. I
just saw the post someone talking about their favorite hangout
spot in college is gone. Like hearing about all the
places that are closed down. I mean in Atlanta once again,
that West MIDTOWNA. I'm putting that in quotes here, A
big chunk of restaurants are gone, even one of the
(12:29):
biggest stables, which is called West Egg, that had been
there for decades and now it's completely gone. They're closed down.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, and a lot of it happened during the pandemic,
but a lot of it, you know, it is gentrification
or it is it's expensive to have a restaurant. But
I feel bad, Like I feel bad both because that's happening,
but also I have my infamous Atlanta map and when
(12:59):
people visit Atlanta, I send it to them and I'm like,
I don't know what all of this is open anymore? Idea? Right?
It was good at one time. If it's not.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Open, oh man, memories, Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It was both nice and I'm I am and like
a little bittersweet, I guess, but I'm glad we did it.
We had a good time when went out for a walk. Yeah,
we were in the sun. The weather was lovely. We
didn't get any food at Park Tavern, but we didn't
get a dressed. We were so confused about the ordering process.
(13:46):
And I can't stress this enough, Samantha. It was so
wowd like the den of everyone talking. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It's one of those moments where you sit down and
you're like, do we bail now?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Oh yeah, a mistake?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What do we do?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Or do we stick it out for one journey silently
go and hope no one sees you?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Oh man, Well now I know, now I know. But yes, listeners,
if you have any thoughts about this, please let us know.
If you've lost any favorite spot, please let us know.
You can email us at Hello at stuff Wellever told
You dot com. You can find us on zo sky
(14:36):
at mom Step podcast, or Instagram and TikTok at stuff
We've Never Told You for us on YouTube. We have
a tea public store. Can we have a book you
could get wherever you get your books. Thanks as always
to our super producer Christina or executive Bruce Maya and
our tributor Joey.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Thanks to you for listening. Stuff I Never Told You
is production by Heart Radio. For more podcasts on my
heart Radio, you can check out the heart Radio app
Apple Podcasts, or if you listened to your favorite shows,
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to Stuff Will Never Tell you, a production
of My Heart Radio, and welcome to another edition of
Happy Hour. As always, if you are choosing to drink,
whatever you're choosing to do, please do so responsibly. Samantha,
(00:28):
what are you doing my bubble water? That's so yeah?
Uh huh?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know Mustaple, what about you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, I'm drinking. I don't know if people remember this,
but I had a real throat issue when we recorded
our audio book, and ever since then, I've been drinking
like warm water and lemon and ginger a lot. That's
what I'm drinking today is Marti Gras. So I have
(01:00):
friends coming over and there'll be plenty of drinks later
to be had, so save up for that. Yeah, I
almost did this. Happy Hour was almost my investigation into
some of the more sexualized trends of things like Marty
Gras and Saint Patrick's Day. But I feel like I
actually have to research that, and that's not what Happy
(01:22):
Hour is about. So that's not what we're doing today.
I actually wanted to talk about kind of when you
go back to a place she used to frequent a lot,
like when you have these memories that come back because
you can see the time of your life you were
(01:46):
in when you were in this place. And the reason
I wanted to talk about this is because last weekend,
as you know, Samantha, I had a bunch of friends
that I've known since elementary school, middle school come over
and we went to Piedmont Park, which is this big
popular park in Atlanta. And I used to run every day,
(02:12):
every day in Piedmont Park and I stopped during the pandemic.
And also, my knees are bad, so I've tried to
pick it up a couple times since the pandemic and
it does make me sad, but it my knees are
not good anymore. I went to years of physical therapy
and they're just not. It hasn't worked out for me.
(02:34):
I'm going to admit, if I'm being honest with myself,
I haven't been completely consistent with it. I was for
a long time though, and it still didn't seem to
be be working. But definitely not now. Definitely not now.
But it was just strange because I've remembered how big
a part of my life that was, and it was
(02:57):
I felt like I could almost see myself like running
by every day I would do this, and it's completely changed.
I was telling Samantha before this, it's got like all
these new pathways and it's got like a little swamp area,
it's got a new dog park, and it just it
(03:21):
just brought back all of these memories and made me
kind of sad of like, you know, I would have
really loved to run this at the time when I
was running. That would have been really nice. But it
was also kind of a closure almost. It was like, yeah,
but you don't do that anymore. That's not who you
(03:42):
are anymore. You had your time, you had your time running,
and you didn't take care of yourself like everyone told
you you should. But it was really lovely despite all
of the the memory he's resurfacing, because I was with
(04:02):
my friends and it was a nice day. It's the
first day of March, and we were helping a friend
with her her business and we were taking all these
pictures of her the thing she's made, and uh, it
was really nice, but it just felt strange. It felt
like this used to be such a big part of
(04:25):
my life and now I was like, oh God, I
don't recognize this anymore. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Oh yeah, Like I feel like that's just the ever
growing places. Every time I go somewhere that I used
to go to all the time and then there's a
new building, I'm like, what what is this? Like here
in Atlanta, we have a place called East Lana Village,
and I guess when I even before I've moved there,
it was kind of like the hip Yeah, yeah, I
(04:54):
know it's un dumb, but like a place to be.
But with like the grungier venue. There's a place called
the Earl who has been threatened to be shut down
every five years, but like has a legacy when it
comes to the shows that they would have, the food,
that they would have, the dive bar etiquette, but like
the good Okra, Like it was really interesting space. But
(05:17):
then all of a sudden, all these restaurants popped up
that's like three or four star restaurants with all these accolades,
and we're like, what is this? And as gentrification happened,
it really overtook that area to the point that there
was like these condos right next to one of the largest,
like one of the oldest grubby bar, divy food places
that we used to love and like you can't even
(05:39):
get to that without actually walking into someone's driveway. Weirdly
like it. The way they have set up is so interesting.
But when I see areas like that where I used
to visit and being like, what has happened here? And
you don't you don't see it. Like Atlanta has a
place called West Midtown, which was not the name now
(06:03):
and everybody's making it happen, And people who've lived there forever,
people who lived there, who lived there before gentrification and
have been ousted, are angry about this because they're like,
this is not what that is. Stop trying to make
this happen, like very angry. But with like running, I
do that too, because I'm like I used to run here.
I like the fact that I don't do p street
(06:23):
road races anymore, which is pretty big here in Atlanta
and the Southeast in general, like seventy five thousand participants
at one point, like all these things, and like getting
into it was a lottery, and I've been every time
I've ever entered, I've been able to get in. But
because I'm the same way, my knees are not okay,
to the point that the amount of like stretchy funky
(06:43):
sounds and popping sounds that's come from it, and I'm like,
I'm a little concerned about what's happening. But like we're
talking about Cardiac Hill, and I was trying to explain
that to my parents, even though it's still very much
in existence. But having the memory, I'm trying to remember
when I used to do that and how much I
hated it but loved conquering it. But like all of
(07:04):
these moments of like it just kind of going away.
And I haven't participated in the p Street road race
since the last time you and I did it, Yes,
and your top I beat your time for the first
time ever because you were like, I'm done rightly so
and I hadn't like trained, But like, it's weird getting
(07:24):
older and then looking back at an area that you've
lived in and for so long. Aging is an interesting
concept because I've been thinking about, like how I used
to see things, going out doing these things, doing these activities,
and I don't know what's going on anymore because I
don't do activity.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yes, that brings me to another point I wanted to
bring up, which I mentioned to you. There is a
popular spot in Piedmont Park called Park Tavern and I
(08:06):
we were walking back my apartment. I'm very lucky I
can walk to Piedmont Park. I used to walk to
our office. That was nice, but we don't have our
office isn't there anymore. But I used to go to
this place a lot when I was younger. It does
a lot of like like it would have an ice
(08:28):
skating rink during the holidays, as a lot of stuff
like that. We had an office party there once. It
was disastrous, but that's besides the point. That was not
Park Tavern's fault. That's where I accidentally called my boyfriend
my friend and we had a big fight about it later. Anyway,
it was so different and it was so loud, and
(08:49):
it was so packed, and I just remember thinking like
this has changed so much since I have been here,
since like my days of coming here and doing this,
and I don't know, I just felt. And then I
was trying to look at like we could maybe go
to some other bars that are nearby, but all the
(09:09):
other bars I was thinking about were closed. They don't
exist anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, So, well, when you were telling me about what
was happening there, like surprised you. It surprised me because
like part Tavern is known for jazz. It used to
do like near live music and had some weird still
surprises me that they serve sushi.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It still throws me off. I'm like, wait, what so
all of that to say, like there's definitely a growth,
because you were saying it was like very sports bar
is like and I was like what because I don't remember.
It's been years since I've been there. Don't get me wrong,
it used to be a great place for brunch. You
would go to an activity at the Piedmont Park and
(09:52):
then go to Park Tavern to have a drink, like
just those different things. So I do remember people being
there for like kickball, but we don't consider kickball to
be that level of like a sports bar, right.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
No, okay, I don't think so tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
But yeah, I just found that very interesting, Uh, that
what you were saying, because that's I feel like it's
a pretty big change.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It felt like a very big change to me. Like
the AstroTurf alone, I feel like it used to be
like more wood panels and I don't know, but it
was loud and packed and I just felt so out
of place because I went in thinking it was going
to be this one thing and it was not that thing. Also,
we had this experience recently, we got to hang out
(10:39):
in person with Christina, super producer Christina. They have the
system too, where you walk up to the bar now
and to order food there instead of having a waiter
come to you, and that line was huge. So ah, yeah,
(10:59):
it was. It's interesting. I don't know. This might have been.
They do a lot of events there. I was worried
it might be Oysterfest, to be honest, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Uh, But.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So I don't know. Maybe this was a special It
was I think the first day of March Madness. I
don't know much about March Madness. It was March, so
it's possible. But I mean maybe that maybe they're not
like that normally, but it would. It's a lot to
put down astro turf in a bar anyway. I don't know.
(11:33):
I was just like experiencing these kind of strange like
memories encroaching on me, like ghost like you used to
do this all the time, do you remember that. It's like,
oh god, I did. And it feels like a different person.
It feels like a different life.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It really does. When I think about running as well,
like doing when I mentioned the people that I used
to know half marathons, I used to do two a
year at least for like five years. That seems ridiculous. Yeah,
that conversation. I see pictures of me doing little like
races here and there, and I was like, what.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Is that me?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But it is interesting because it Yeah, also living in
an area and watching the changes, wishing for things. I
just saw the post someone talking about their favorite hangout
spot in college is gone. Like hearing about all the
places that are closed down. I mean in Atlanta once again,
that West MIDTOWNA. I'm putting that in quotes here, A
big chunk of restaurants are gone, even one of the
(12:29):
biggest stables, which is called West Egg, that had been
there for decades and now it's completely gone. They're closed down.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, and a lot of it happened during the pandemic,
but a lot of it, you know, it is gentrification
or it is it's expensive to have a restaurant. But
I feel bad, Like I feel bad both because that's happening,
but also I have my infamous Atlanta map and when
(12:59):
people visit Atlanta, I send it to them and I'm like,
I don't know what all of this is open anymore? Idea? Right?
It was good at one time. If it's not.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Open, oh man, memories, Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It was both nice and I'm I am and like
a little bittersweet, I guess, but I'm glad we did it.
We had a good time when went out for a walk. Yeah,
we were in the sun. The weather was lovely. We
didn't get any food at Park Tavern, but we didn't
get a dressed. We were so confused about the ordering process.
(13:46):
And I can't stress this enough, Samantha. It was so
wowd like the den of everyone talking. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It's one of those moments where you sit down and
you're like, do we bail now?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Oh yeah, a mistake?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What do we do?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Or do we stick it out for one journey silently
go and hope no one sees you?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Oh man, Well now I know, now I know. But yes, listeners,
if you have any thoughts about this, please let us know.
If you've lost any favorite spot, please let us know.
You can email us at Hello at stuff Wellever told
You dot com. You can find us on zo sky
(14:36):
at mom Step podcast, or Instagram and TikTok at stuff
We've Never Told You for us on YouTube. We have
a tea public store. Can we have a book you
could get wherever you get your books. Thanks as always
to our super producer Christina or executive Bruce Maya and
our tributor Joey.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Thanks to you for listening. Stuff I Never Told You
is production by Heart Radio. For more podcasts on my
heart Radio, you can check out the heart Radio app
Apple Podcasts, or if you listened to your favorite shows,
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