September 4, 2023 • 20 mins
The fallout continues from the forcible kiss at Spain's Women's World Cup awards ceremony. We dig into what is going on.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph.
I never told your production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And welcome to another edition of the Monday Mini. And
I don't know how many this is because I think
we got a lot to say. We've already mentioned what
happened with the World Cup as Spain won and should
be celebrating. I think this is one of those tell
tale things of like, we can't have nice things, but
(00:39):
there is a rainbow at the end of this awful,
awful situation. So it's kind of like that. Okay, but
at least they're turning into something better. But yeah, we
wanted to do a quick update about what's happening with
the Spanish women's football club, the international World Cup champions,
who should only be celebrating.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yep, but again, we can't have nice things.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And as as most of you already know if you
have been a part of any soccer news at all,
because even myself who has not followed along, and it
wasn't until you brought it up when we were talking
to Whitney about the incident that I even knew what
was going on, because I had been that out of
the loop that president of the Federation. Rabialis forcefully grabbed
(01:28):
a dinner for her mosa by the head to kiss
her as a I guess congratulatory we one type of thing.
There was a previous incident where he grabs his crotch
in front of the queen uh and makes a gesture
at the coach, who has his own set of problems
in order to celebrate the victory. Because that nothing like
grabbing your crotch and thrusting it at towards a coach
(01:50):
for women's soccer. Yeah, that truly celebrates a victory for
women's soccer.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
There's so many things that it's I'm like, bro, what what?
But at this time I cannot so on TikTok. I'm
on that side of TikTok as well. Many are saying
that he is resigning. I have yet to find any
articles to actually say that he's resigning. I know he's
been called on by the Federation after a lot of
gas lighting and victim blaming to actually have him step
(02:21):
down and resign, which many are like, just fire him,
for the love of all that is good, just fire him.
He shouldn't be given the honor of resigning to begin with.
Do you know if he's that's actually true, because I
have not found any articles to validate that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Actually, Okay, so we should put the date on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh yes, they.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Out. Yeah, we have a book. You can get it.
It has a lot of stuff about similar issues in sports.
So this is a quick changing, developing situation. Because when
Whitney came on, I was talking about it. We were
talking about it and it was like, you know, condemnation,
(03:11):
but you know, not that big. But now it's huge,
so much condemnation. And I saw a piece about it today.
I believe he has been He's definitely been astro design
I think he has to.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He's been suspended, suspended for ninety days. But it's feedful
so it's different than the actual federations. That's till Aston
to resign. He was suspended Saturday and there's a pending investigation,
so we'll see what they do. Right now, there's talks
of all the Spanish teams being suspended until he resigns
(03:48):
and not being able to play. There's a back and
forth like Real Madrid and all of those teams about
them not being able to compete. We know that all
of the eighty one players with eighty one players. Women
players were all saying they're not going to play until
he steps down in solidarity. We've seen several male players
also say that they would not play if he did
(04:11):
not step down, uh male Spanish players. We've also seen
all the coaches except for the head coach who has
been a part of the problem, all resign because of
the situation and maybe even more so other situations. So
I know that's all going down at this point in time,
which I think is very telling. Rubiellis's mom is on
(04:36):
a hunger strike in the church until he is justly
proven or something whatever. I know, like he's just that
this is unjust a procedure would stop against her son,
which I wanted to be like, this makes sense about
why he's being so headstrong that this this makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, and I believe it's probably been dropped by now.
I think this was a week ago, and this is
right after Whitney came on and then we were like
texting back and forth about all of this stuff. I
believe this Spanish soccer federation threatened to sue her Mosas, yes,
because they were like she lied even though there's photograph.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So yeah, so essentially what went down is they try
to come in and say, oh, that was consensual. The group,
the players have already agreed upon this, this was not
a bad thing, blah blah blah, which she came around
going no, no, no, no, no, no, this was not consensual.
Why would I ever consider this. I did not want this.
I did not have a choice. Literally, I just had
to deal with it because we were in public and he
grabbed me. There's nothing I can do, which is a
(05:38):
common conversation that women have amongst themselves about bad situations
with a dating. We know this non dating, just being
around men.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Well yeah, and that I kept mentioning in that episode
we did Whitney. I read this article about the history
of forcibly kissing women in public yep, and one of
the main examples they one of the most famous examples
is that World War two dipping up by soldier and
kissing her and it turns out she was like, oh God,
I just panicked. I was so scared. Like it. It's
(06:11):
framed as such a romantic ram and.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They're like, they didn't know each other, was just walking
down the street.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
No, And actually there's kind of a horrifying history of
men returning from war and sexually assaulting women.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Or being at war as sexually assaulting women. Yeah, and
then that the whole like do you remember the I
believe it was it the Golden Globe? Uh m hm,
that's it. That that big kiss. Yeah, that was a
whole conversation. And yeah, this this is a constant thing.
(06:50):
So I'm going to read a couple of quotes from
a New York Times article about people's reactions essentially, But yeah,
so we were back to the whole, like they came
back after she said no, this was not consensual. The
federations like she lies, she lied, and we're going to
sue her because she's lying. And essentially she's like, we'll
bring it on, let's go, because why would I lie.
And then since then we've seen, like I saw on TikTok,
(07:12):
there's some clips of showing the coach being over the
top with their players, like grabbing their face, grabbing their ears,
grabbing like like all these things and being obviously sexist
to the point last year several of the players already
stepped down and they were suspended for refusing to play
with this coach. So that's the whole thing. But yeah,
(07:34):
with this again, they're talking about that there's a larger
problem that they've been talking about from the beginning. And
here's a quote, but Spanish society has erupted, seizing on
the incident as a major moment of reckoning for his
clubby and often sexist soccer culture. More than a dozen
female players rebelled last year long frustrated with unequal pay
(07:55):
what they considered overly harsh and controlling treatment by their
current coach or Heyda, including allegations that he rifled through
their personal belongings and a general culture of sexism. Many
were kicked off the team and missed the World Cup,
but one of these players, the La Guiardo, told the
newspaper El pas on Monday that it was worth the
pain of missing the glory. Ideas are ahead of metals,
(08:18):
she said. The entire team and dozens of other players
assigned a joint statement late Friday night saying that they
would not take the field to play for Spain if
the current managers continue. So obviously they've been having issues,
and in this situation, the world got to see publicly
what these issues were, and the world got to see
(08:40):
how the federation react, and no one could deny the
sexist lady like literally going back and forth saying I'm
going to sue the players because she's lying even though
we see it, at what point would they have been consensual?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Right? Right? And like we talked about, you know, I
don't think this is the end all, Beyall people react
differently in situations like this. But in that particular picture,
she does not look comfortable. It's not a picture that
looks consensual. I want to emphasize again that does not
mean like we should apply that standard to everything, but
(09:17):
it really and we have this picture and they hear,
they are saying like, no, she's a liar, will sue her?
Who is their star player, the best players right right now,
and they're more worried about protecting the men in charge
(09:37):
than the women on their team one in spite of this, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
In spite of losing teammates, in spite of seeing this
constant harassment and vilification. Obviously that happens often, and I
do find it interesting that it took until FIFA was
like a we're gonna we're gonna cut it, which a
lot of people from the jump set is gonna take FIFA,
it's gonna take the world. We're gonna s saying that
you're not going to be able to play internationally. You're
(10:04):
going to lose a lot of money. So you better
figure this out because the players can go wherever. I
know contracts are different and it could be difficult, but
the players don't play in their country, so you know,
many would love a world champion on their team. So hello.
This has also come to the point that there may
be actual criminal investigation within Spain apparently, so the current official,
(10:31):
the current administration. They are a socialist more liberal party
that they have come up on. So a lot of
them have already spoken out. They spoke out from jump.
I will say that about what has been happening and
what this looks like. I don't know if the royal
family has I haven't seen that. I'm sure there are
some statements that the Queen was standing right there, but
(10:53):
who knows. He did make it a full apology on that.
Of course, it came with a lot of excuses. It
came with all the excuses that you could imagine. But
he did make an apology about that. One thing that
he did say he kept using and I'm like, oh god,
this is about to come a false feminism. So it
seems like that he's a supporter of feminism, but then
(11:14):
he puts that false narrative, so therefore it's a false feminism.
And I'm like, this is a dog whistle. This is
a dog whistle that begins the end of like begins
the attack on feminism in general. And I find that interesting.
He kept saying it in his little speech that he
got applauded for. Everybody's like, oh, we're supporting him, and
now they want him to resign after that, but you know,
(11:34):
but yeah, no, But I find that interesting and very
dangerous this type of conversation, especially for a country that
has made waves in trying to become more left leaning,
more more liberal, I guess in itself and in his conversation
and trying to protect people, they have done a lot
of looking into what it looks like sex violence in
(11:55):
their country and naming things as it is. I think
the second in command actually said this was sexual violence.
This act that we see is sexual violence and naming
it as it is, which again urbialis try to come
back and this said that that was false feminism, which
and then try to add what happens when women are
really raped? They're not going to believe them. I'm like, oh, wow,
(12:16):
you are pulling all the stops the old tradition. Oh no,
all of them. And he was pulling it out like
this is the nineteen like two thousand and five, actually
twenty twenty three, and it's like a brock Turner moment.
But it really is disgusting in that narrative, and unfortunately
he has people to back him. So here's another quote
(12:39):
that talks about it. If they want to get rid
of him for what he did before, then they should.
And she's talking about the grabbing of the crotch and
then any incidences. But the kiss is nonsense, says Beatrice Pina,
a fifty five year old soccer fan who was shopping
for her grandson at her local soccer teams store. It's
(12:59):
not sexual harassment or anything. And then they talked to
another person who was a supporter of the team. Had
the teacher was very excited and he said, and he
said this is a quote. Like many Spaniards, mister Duarte
was bothered that mister Rubialis grabbed his crotch in the
vicinity of the Spanish Queen and Princess during the celebration.
(13:19):
But he said he didn't see anything so terrible about
the kiss. It's like a kiss I could have given
to a friend, he said, adding that it was just
a gesture of affection.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well, uh, there's a lot to impact because, as we
did talk about an episode of the Whitney, kissing on
the cheek is traditional in Spain. You know, there's a
different culture than here. So I don't want to come
inte on that. But that was not this.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Also, she has said she didn't want it. She has
said it multiple times. I hate that she's had to
really reiterate this statement, but she has. And also he
only did it to her, right, and there was like
a lot of people, and so I'm kind of like,
(14:05):
if that's a friend, right the case you could give
a friend, is she your only friend?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Like, I'm sorry, I know the kissing on the cheek
is a thing I've met many people, like the European
that doesn't it doesn't necessarily like I'm going to touch
a failing person who I don't love it in itself.
I don't love hugs all the time unless I know
you will. But like that was a full on, forceful
head Like if anybody grabs my head, there's a good
(14:34):
chance I'm punching mm hmmm, or I'm falling down like
I've done both of those things where i'd like get
into the fetal position sitting down because I'm trying to
for you not to touch me, because that's to me
a threat in control. You're controlling me somehow, especially when
we know he's never done that to a man.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Mmmmm mm hmmm. Going back to this article I keep referencing,
that was what they were saying. It was like this
idea that women's bodies are just up for it's fine
to use them how you want, touch them, how you want,
(15:14):
make it about you, because that's what he really did.
Like I just can't stress enough. I wish we could
just talk about their win, right, and instead we have
to talk about this. But also he made it about
him right even before this and the male coach he was,
he was saying they won because of them, these two men,
(15:34):
and not this team.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Right, which is hysterical, Like do you understand you don't
have a team.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You don't have a win, like I don't this this.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Is not calculating in your head. But yeah, there needs
to be massive change, and I hate that for our
team that won their first World Cup. Ever, this is
the discussion, and that they are being vilified in their
own country by some by some of the more powerful
because they can't have autonomy, like has he apologized? Yeah,
(16:10):
this would be so different. Yeah, And I think how
it's a responsibility.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
How do you like truly meant anything that he said
and apologize and taken responsibility. But I also think this
goes back to a couple of things, but one of
them is being when people love something and you don't
like it, when people are like, well, look at this
problem with this thing, right, I don't think Oh. I
(16:37):
think a lot of fans are just like, let us celebrate.
Why can't we celebrate? And we're like, yeah, I'm sure
that's what they want to.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
They they it despite all these other things.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But there's also, I will say as disheartenings. A lot
of this is there has been a lot of support
or Omoso, the stand with Hormoso, a lot of a
lot of teams, a lot of players posting about it.
It was trending, so that's it's nice to see. It's
(17:15):
some of those things like me too, which this feels
kind of like a me too moment where it's like
I'm so frustrated that we have to have this, but
it is nice that people are supporting, people are stepping
up and supporting right.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh yeah, I think the team supporting each other has
been phenomenal. The coaches that were like, we're not about
this walking away from the head coach as well, that's
pretty phenomenal. And then like the other Spanish soccer players,
the men who are like, yeah, we don't agree with
those either, and this is absolutely atrocious and seeing it
for what it is, so hopefully this will open up
(17:54):
to a bigger conversation. I hate that this had to
happen now, but then it's been happening, as you can
tell from the other players who are not a part
of it to begin with, because of this constant abuse
and constant atmosphere. And again we've talked about this in
the US, it's happened. You have to break down so
much of the misogyny when you realize how much is tainted.
(18:16):
And then like the bs that the people want to
start like this doesn't happen in men's sports, yeah, because
they are already given the respect of not being touched
like that to beget with like that. The difference is
what's the problem.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Right, And that's a great point because we've had these
issues in the US with the US women's gymnastics team
and so it is widespread and that's frustrating too. But
the fact that Ruby Alis felt so confident to do
(18:48):
this in public, in front of cameras, it's to me
that is extremely telling to what was probably happening behind
the scenes.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Right, you have to be like, if that's public, what's
private it? What's he hiding? Yes, well, congratulations Spain, I.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Hate it, but yes, congratulations. Like we said, this is quickly.
A lot of this is quickly changing, so I wouldn't
be surprised if we have more to say about it soon.
But yeah, really really has lit a fire as yep. Well,
(19:40):
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Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like lightly officially, yes, tell me about it, but I'm
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Right, I feel like super like I enjoy it when
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
And welcome to another edition of the Monday Mini. And
I don't know how many this is because I think
we got a lot to say. We've already mentioned what
happened with the World Cup as Spain won and should
be celebrating. I think this is one of those tell
tale things of like, we can't have nice things, but
(00:39):
there is a rainbow at the end of this awful,
awful situation. So it's kind of like that. Okay, but
at least they're turning into something better. But yeah, we
wanted to do a quick update about what's happening with
the Spanish women's football club, the international World Cup champions,
who should only be celebrating.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yep, but again, we can't have nice things.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And as as most of you already know if you
have been a part of any soccer news at all,
because even myself who has not followed along, and it
wasn't until you brought it up when we were talking
to Whitney about the incident that I even knew what
was going on, because I had been that out of
the loop that president of the Federation. Rabialis forcefully grabbed
(01:28):
a dinner for her mosa by the head to kiss
her as a I guess congratulatory we one type of thing.
There was a previous incident where he grabs his crotch
in front of the queen uh and makes a gesture
at the coach, who has his own set of problems
in order to celebrate the victory. Because that nothing like
grabbing your crotch and thrusting it at towards a coach
(01:50):
for women's soccer. Yeah, that truly celebrates a victory for
women's soccer.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
There's so many things that it's I'm like, bro, what what?
But at this time I cannot so on TikTok. I'm
on that side of TikTok as well. Many are saying
that he is resigning. I have yet to find any
articles to actually say that he's resigning. I know he's
been called on by the Federation after a lot of
gas lighting and victim blaming to actually have him step
(02:21):
down and resign, which many are like, just fire him,
for the love of all that is good, just fire him.
He shouldn't be given the honor of resigning to begin with.
Do you know if he's that's actually true, because I
have not found any articles to validate that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Actually, Okay, so we should put the date on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh yes, they.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Out. Yeah, we have a book. You can get it.
It has a lot of stuff about similar issues in sports.
So this is a quick changing, developing situation. Because when
Whitney came on, I was talking about it. We were
talking about it and it was like, you know, condemnation,
(03:11):
but you know, not that big. But now it's huge,
so much condemnation. And I saw a piece about it today.
I believe he has been He's definitely been astro design
I think he has to.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He's been suspended, suspended for ninety days. But it's feedful
so it's different than the actual federations. That's till Aston
to resign. He was suspended Saturday and there's a pending investigation,
so we'll see what they do. Right now, there's talks
of all the Spanish teams being suspended until he resigns
(03:48):
and not being able to play. There's a back and
forth like Real Madrid and all of those teams about
them not being able to compete. We know that all
of the eighty one players with eighty one players. Women
players were all saying they're not going to play until
he steps down in solidarity. We've seen several male players
also say that they would not play if he did
(04:11):
not step down, uh male Spanish players. We've also seen
all the coaches except for the head coach who has
been a part of the problem, all resign because of
the situation and maybe even more so other situations. So
I know that's all going down at this point in time,
which I think is very telling. Rubiellis's mom is on
(04:36):
a hunger strike in the church until he is justly
proven or something whatever. I know, like he's just that
this is unjust a procedure would stop against her son,
which I wanted to be like, this makes sense about
why he's being so headstrong that this this makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, and I believe it's probably been dropped by now.
I think this was a week ago, and this is
right after Whitney came on and then we were like
texting back and forth about all of this stuff. I
believe this Spanish soccer federation threatened to sue her Mosas, yes,
because they were like she lied even though there's photograph.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So yeah, so essentially what went down is they try
to come in and say, oh, that was consensual. The group,
the players have already agreed upon this, this was not
a bad thing, blah blah blah, which she came around
going no, no, no, no, no, no, this was not consensual.
Why would I ever consider this. I did not want this.
I did not have a choice. Literally, I just had
to deal with it because we were in public and he
grabbed me. There's nothing I can do, which is a
(05:38):
common conversation that women have amongst themselves about bad situations
with a dating. We know this non dating, just being
around men.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Well yeah, and that I kept mentioning in that episode
we did Whitney. I read this article about the history
of forcibly kissing women in public yep, and one of
the main examples they one of the most famous examples
is that World War two dipping up by soldier and
kissing her and it turns out she was like, oh God,
I just panicked. I was so scared. Like it. It's
(06:11):
framed as such a romantic ram and.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They're like, they didn't know each other, was just walking
down the street.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
No, And actually there's kind of a horrifying history of
men returning from war and sexually assaulting women.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Or being at war as sexually assaulting women. Yeah, and
then that the whole like do you remember the I
believe it was it the Golden Globe? Uh m hm,
that's it. That that big kiss. Yeah, that was a
whole conversation. And yeah, this this is a constant thing.
(06:50):
So I'm going to read a couple of quotes from
a New York Times article about people's reactions essentially, But yeah,
so we were back to the whole, like they came
back after she said no, this was not consensual. The
federations like she lies, she lied, and we're going to
sue her because she's lying. And essentially she's like, we'll
bring it on, let's go, because why would I lie.
And then since then we've seen, like I saw on TikTok,
(07:12):
there's some clips of showing the coach being over the
top with their players, like grabbing their face, grabbing their ears,
grabbing like like all these things and being obviously sexist
to the point last year several of the players already
stepped down and they were suspended for refusing to play
with this coach. So that's the whole thing. But yeah,
(07:34):
with this again, they're talking about that there's a larger
problem that they've been talking about from the beginning. And
here's a quote, but Spanish society has erupted, seizing on
the incident as a major moment of reckoning for his
clubby and often sexist soccer culture. More than a dozen
female players rebelled last year long frustrated with unequal pay
(07:55):
what they considered overly harsh and controlling treatment by their
current coach or Heyda, including allegations that he rifled through
their personal belongings and a general culture of sexism. Many
were kicked off the team and missed the World Cup,
but one of these players, the La Guiardo, told the
newspaper El pas on Monday that it was worth the
pain of missing the glory. Ideas are ahead of metals,
(08:18):
she said. The entire team and dozens of other players
assigned a joint statement late Friday night saying that they
would not take the field to play for Spain if
the current managers continue. So obviously they've been having issues,
and in this situation, the world got to see publicly
what these issues were, and the world got to see
(08:40):
how the federation react, and no one could deny the
sexist lady like literally going back and forth saying I'm
going to sue the players because she's lying even though
we see it, at what point would they have been consensual?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Right? Right? And like we talked about, you know, I
don't think this is the end all, Beyall people react
differently in situations like this. But in that particular picture,
she does not look comfortable. It's not a picture that
looks consensual. I want to emphasize again that does not
mean like we should apply that standard to everything, but
(09:17):
it really and we have this picture and they hear,
they are saying like, no, she's a liar, will sue her?
Who is their star player, the best players right right now,
and they're more worried about protecting the men in charge
(09:37):
than the women on their team one in spite of this, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
In spite of losing teammates, in spite of seeing this
constant harassment and vilification. Obviously that happens often, and I
do find it interesting that it took until FIFA was
like a we're gonna we're gonna cut it, which a
lot of people from the jump set is gonna take FIFA,
it's gonna take the world. We're gonna s saying that
you're not going to be able to play internationally. You're
(10:04):
going to lose a lot of money. So you better
figure this out because the players can go wherever. I
know contracts are different and it could be difficult, but
the players don't play in their country, so you know,
many would love a world champion on their team. So hello.
This has also come to the point that there may
be actual criminal investigation within Spain apparently, so the current official,
(10:31):
the current administration. They are a socialist more liberal party
that they have come up on. So a lot of
them have already spoken out. They spoke out from jump.
I will say that about what has been happening and
what this looks like. I don't know if the royal
family has I haven't seen that. I'm sure there are
some statements that the Queen was standing right there, but
(10:53):
who knows. He did make it a full apology on that.
Of course, it came with a lot of excuses. It
came with all the excuses that you could imagine. But
he did make an apology about that. One thing that
he did say he kept using and I'm like, oh god,
this is about to come a false feminism. So it
seems like that he's a supporter of feminism, but then
(11:14):
he puts that false narrative, so therefore it's a false feminism.
And I'm like, this is a dog whistle. This is
a dog whistle that begins the end of like begins
the attack on feminism in general. And I find that interesting.
He kept saying it in his little speech that he
got applauded for. Everybody's like, oh, we're supporting him, and
now they want him to resign after that, but you know,
(11:34):
but yeah, no, But I find that interesting and very
dangerous this type of conversation, especially for a country that
has made waves in trying to become more left leaning,
more more liberal, I guess in itself and in his conversation
and trying to protect people, they have done a lot
of looking into what it looks like sex violence in
(11:55):
their country and naming things as it is. I think
the second in command actually said this was sexual violence.
This act that we see is sexual violence and naming
it as it is, which again urbialis try to come
back and this said that that was false feminism, which
and then try to add what happens when women are
really raped? They're not going to believe them. I'm like, oh, wow,
(12:16):
you are pulling all the stops the old tradition. Oh no,
all of them. And he was pulling it out like
this is the nineteen like two thousand and five, actually
twenty twenty three, and it's like a brock Turner moment.
But it really is disgusting in that narrative, and unfortunately
he has people to back him. So here's another quote
(12:39):
that talks about it. If they want to get rid
of him for what he did before, then they should.
And she's talking about the grabbing of the crotch and
then any incidences. But the kiss is nonsense, says Beatrice Pina,
a fifty five year old soccer fan who was shopping
for her grandson at her local soccer teams store. It's
(12:59):
not sexual harassment or anything. And then they talked to
another person who was a supporter of the team. Had
the teacher was very excited and he said, and he
said this is a quote. Like many Spaniards, mister Duarte
was bothered that mister Rubialis grabbed his crotch in the
vicinity of the Spanish Queen and Princess during the celebration.
(13:19):
But he said he didn't see anything so terrible about
the kiss. It's like a kiss I could have given
to a friend, he said, adding that it was just
a gesture of affection.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well, uh, there's a lot to impact because, as we
did talk about an episode of the Whitney, kissing on
the cheek is traditional in Spain. You know, there's a
different culture than here. So I don't want to come
inte on that. But that was not this.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Also, she has said she didn't want it. She has
said it multiple times. I hate that she's had to
really reiterate this statement, but she has. And also he
only did it to her, right, and there was like
a lot of people, and so I'm kind of like,
(14:05):
if that's a friend, right the case you could give
a friend, is she your only friend?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Like, I'm sorry, I know the kissing on the cheek
is a thing I've met many people, like the European
that doesn't it doesn't necessarily like I'm going to touch
a failing person who I don't love it in itself.
I don't love hugs all the time unless I know
you will. But like that was a full on, forceful
head Like if anybody grabs my head, there's a good
(14:34):
chance I'm punching mm hmmm, or I'm falling down like
I've done both of those things where i'd like get
into the fetal position sitting down because I'm trying to
for you not to touch me, because that's to me
a threat in control. You're controlling me somehow, especially when
we know he's never done that to a man.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Mmmmm mm hmmm. Going back to this article I keep referencing,
that was what they were saying. It was like this
idea that women's bodies are just up for it's fine
to use them how you want, touch them, how you want,
(15:14):
make it about you, because that's what he really did.
Like I just can't stress enough. I wish we could
just talk about their win, right, and instead we have
to talk about this. But also he made it about
him right even before this and the male coach he was,
he was saying they won because of them, these two men,
(15:34):
and not this team.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Right, which is hysterical, Like do you understand you don't
have a team.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You don't have a win, like I don't this this.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Is not calculating in your head. But yeah, there needs
to be massive change, and I hate that for our
team that won their first World Cup. Ever, this is
the discussion, and that they are being vilified in their
own country by some by some of the more powerful
because they can't have autonomy, like has he apologized? Yeah,
(16:10):
this would be so different. Yeah, And I think how
it's a responsibility.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
How do you like truly meant anything that he said
and apologize and taken responsibility. But I also think this
goes back to a couple of things, but one of
them is being when people love something and you don't
like it, when people are like, well, look at this
problem with this thing, right, I don't think Oh. I
(16:37):
think a lot of fans are just like, let us celebrate.
Why can't we celebrate? And we're like, yeah, I'm sure
that's what they want to.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
They they it despite all these other things.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But there's also, I will say as disheartenings. A lot
of this is there has been a lot of support
or Omoso, the stand with Hormoso, a lot of a
lot of teams, a lot of players posting about it.
It was trending, so that's it's nice to see. It's
(17:15):
some of those things like me too, which this feels
kind of like a me too moment where it's like
I'm so frustrated that we have to have this, but
it is nice that people are supporting, people are stepping
up and supporting right.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh yeah, I think the team supporting each other has
been phenomenal. The coaches that were like, we're not about
this walking away from the head coach as well, that's
pretty phenomenal. And then like the other Spanish soccer players,
the men who are like, yeah, we don't agree with
those either, and this is absolutely atrocious and seeing it
for what it is, so hopefully this will open up
(17:54):
to a bigger conversation. I hate that this had to
happen now, but then it's been happening, as you can
tell from the other players who are not a part
of it to begin with, because of this constant abuse
and constant atmosphere. And again we've talked about this in
the US, it's happened. You have to break down so
much of the misogyny when you realize how much is tainted.
(18:16):
And then like the bs that the people want to
start like this doesn't happen in men's sports, yeah, because
they are already given the respect of not being touched
like that to beget with like that. The difference is
what's the problem.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Right, And that's a great point because we've had these
issues in the US with the US women's gymnastics team
and so it is widespread and that's frustrating too. But
the fact that Ruby Alis felt so confident to do
(18:48):
this in public, in front of cameras, it's to me
that is extremely telling to what was probably happening behind
the scenes.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Right, you have to be like, if that's public, what's
private it? What's he hiding? Yes, well, congratulations Spain, I.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Hate it, but yes, congratulations. Like we said, this is quickly.
A lot of this is quickly changing, so I wouldn't
be surprised if we have more to say about it soon.
But yeah, really really has lit a fire as yep. Well,
(19:40):
if we missed anything or if you have any thoughts
about this, oh yes, let us know because we do
depend on especially Smith and I enjoy sports very super.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like lightly officially, yes, tell me about it, but I'm
not going to invest in it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Right, I feel like super like I enjoy it when
I'm with friends like wait me, but I'm not going
to seek it out. So we do depend on your
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