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November 6, 2023 16 mins

Since the beginning, Falling back and Springing Forward have drawn ire, discussion and research, but Daylight Saving Time has a specific impact on women. 

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to Stefan never told you a prediction of iHeartRadio.
And today as this comes out, it is the day
after daylight savings. Oh, I just learned it's daylight saving time.
It's not savings time. You do not put the S on.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
There was one of those things that everybody does on
an item, so like, it's not that it's Kroger not Kroger's.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Yes, I've been doing it my whole life.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
But what's coming how I said the internets, and I'm
about it.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yes, yes, that is like we make that joke a
lot about my mom, so I wonder if I'm slowly
becoming more like my mom. Yes we are, Yes, yes,
I so originally, as you heard me talk about in
our last Happy Hour where I was an anxious mess,
this was going to be a different episode this Monday, Mini,

(01:01):
and it's about self disclosure. But that's big enough to
be a full episode. So that's going to be coming
out later this week. And I just got this idea
of ours, like it's daylight saving I want to look
up women in daylight saving time, and it turns out
there is some research about it, so we're going to
talk about it. It also cracked me up because okay, okay,

(01:22):
first a content warning. We are going to be talking
about sexual assault and harassment. Yep, but nothing in depth.
Nothing in depth. But one of the arguments against it
is when it is darker earlier than for a lot
of women who don't feel safe like going out in
the dark, it's like curfew. But that made me think

(01:46):
jokingly much less seriously about hocus Pocus, because there's that
scene at the end where Max is like daylight saving
time and they fake the sunrise and.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
The wishes are like, ah.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Dying but not really, and I was like, if that
was true, those witches would have been in trouble. It
would have really gotten them. So it's messing up for
I know we've talked about this. What are your thoughts
on daylight saving Time?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I hate it, point blake, point blank. I hate it.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I think the one reprieve is like having the sunback,
but trying to adjust. I am not good about time adjustments,
whether it's traveling or anything like. It knocks me out.
I don't know why. I am a sleepy, sleepy person,
so this does not help A very sleepy person. Also

(02:41):
sad is real and I do have it, and I
don't like it, and as a depressive personality, this is
not okay. So I think we need to go away
from it completely because it's also confusing, like it really
wreaks havoc on you, and I don't understand why it's
not necessary, Like we've talked about it too many times.
We know it's not necessary anymore. Y'all are just trying

(03:03):
to fool us because you like tradition. I don't know
who you is, but I know.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
As you you come out strong against I have some
opponent that's not really here, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
The government, the government.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, we're going to talk about that a little bit
because I know a lot of you have heard about this,
because there's been a lot of people like Samantha.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Who do not like it, who really don't like it.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
There's been a lot of research about how it does
impact our bodies and like the history of it and
why are we still doing it. I am going to
talk about that a little bit. I used to like it.
Interestingly enough, I liked Fall. I liked the one in Fall,
which is Fallback, because I got the extra hour.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
The extra hour does seem nice foolery because it's all
dark at like four pm.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
You're like, this is not okay.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yes, So as I got older, the extra hour meant less.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
So less and less, so I don't like it anymore.
I really really don't like it.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
And I never like to the spring spring forward one
because then you lose the hour and but you get
the extra hour of sun. List sort of the thing.
I used to run wine and dine the Disney Race
every year. It happens over daylight saving and I'd be
so scared my phone alarm wouldn't go off, or like
it wouldn't go off at the right time, even though
most phones update automatically. But that meant I would like

(04:23):
lie awake all night worried if my phone wasn't gonna
do the thing, and I wouldn't wake up. So yeah,
I don't like it anymore. I had a friend, I
think I've told this story before in college. She would
throw what was called the Party that Never was in
between two am and three am. It was a huge party,

(04:44):
drink responsibly. We were supposed to finish a keg like
it never existed, because the time would go back and
that would be two am again. It was like a
thing she did every year, the party that never was interesting.
So I did want to go over some brief history
about this, even though I'm sure a lot of us
are familiar from John Hopkins quote. Benjamin Franklin invented the

(05:08):
concept in seventeen eighty four, believing that rising earlier would
economize candle usage and save people money money pushing glogsfoord
to make greater use of daylight during the warmer months.
Was formally adopted during World War One as part of
a global attempt to conserve energy. So, yeah, it's been
around for a while, but you know, people do actually

(05:31):
still make arguments similar to this when they're saying this
is why.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
We keep it. But a lot of people are like, no,
it doesn't work like that anymore.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
We have to use more electricity during the time darker, sooner.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
We're act rude.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
We're actually capturing kind of the how it plays out.
What a lot of people argue about this Right now.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I hate it so much.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
So Yes, studies have found it is not good for
our health, including increased risk of heart attack and stroke.
It has been shown to impact our sleep end more
so for women, and less sleep also increases health risk. However,
there are conflicting studies or maybe more accurately like counterpoint

(06:17):
studies that are about mostly about the light part, about
having more light and how that impacts our health and
for the better. So there are there are arguments on
either side that as well, but a majority of Americans
do want to get rid of it. There has been legislation,

(06:38):
like the Sunshine Protection Act to do so, and there
has been a history of trying to get rid of
it and even trying to reinstate it, going back to
at least the seventies. So here's a quote from CNN.
During the energy crisis of the nineteen seventies, we tried
permanent daylight saving time again in the winter of nineteen
seventy three to nineteen seventy four. The idea, again was

(06:59):
to conserve fuel. It was a popular move at the
time when President Richard Nixon signed the law in January
nineteen seventy four, but by the end of the month,
Florida's governor had called for the laws repeal after eight
school children were hit by cars in the dark. Schools
across the country delayed start times until the sun came up.

(07:19):
I feel like There's another argument to be made there though,
about how early we're getting these kids to school.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, it doesn't matter if you're on a bus. Some
routes start at five am, and that's just what time kids.
I had to be up and out onto in the road,
not even from my house. I'd walk down so like
we had to be way ahead of time because we
couldn't see it coming. It wasn't like you hear it
or see it coming and run out the door. They
wait for you. It was a five minute walk from

(07:46):
my house to that and it's not that far. But again,
I'm in the country, so there's no bus stops. It's
a two lane road, very much a curvy area, and
I would have to get out there at seven am,
and sometimes sun doesn't rise like six forty five, right,
stupid daylight saving.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I guess what I'm saying is I've long felt this.
This is a different podcast. I feel like we're if
you're talking about messing with sleep schedules and the school schedules,
we have kids on young kids, you're messing with their
sleep schedule and you know, having to get up early
before the sun has risen. I'm not sure like daylight
saving time is the answer to that.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
It could be maybe we shift the schedule of the
school right or or something else.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I'm just saying, like, I don't know that that's the
one thing to blame for that.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
There's so much because bus riding accessibility. There's a lot
of conversations when it comes to buses in itself transportation.
Who's protected, who's not? Like there this is a whole
socioeconomic conversation.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yep, that has to be had in general. But darkness
does not help.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, No, it doesn't. Here's another quote from CNN. In
the US States are not required by law to fall
back or spring Ford.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Well, why e?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Most of Arizona and some territories in the Pacific and
Caribbean do not observe daylight saving time. The twice yearly
switcherugh is irritating enough to lawmakers of all political stripes
that the US Senate passed legislation in March twenty twenty
two to make daylight saving time permanent. The bill passed
by unanimous consent. It would need to pass the House
of Representatives and be signed by President Joe Biden to

(09:36):
become the law. It did not pass the House of representatives.
Then they reintroduced it, and that's where it is now.
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Confusing because my older brother was swearing me up and down, like, no,
daylight saving doesn't exist anymore. I was like, I'm pretty
sure it does. Like, well, I feel like I would
have heard of that if it had gone away. No,
it is still in effect right now. But this brings
us to women specifically and daylight saving time because I

(10:05):
found a lot of articles around tips for women on
making the most of the quote extra hour or for
spring ahead the extra hour of light, whether it is
going for a run, working on a skill, or even
just being able to do something safely as a woman.
So from WRC, here's a quote. The joy was for

(10:28):
us as women feeling more independent because the daylight allows
us to do what we always want to do after
work instead of feeling so unsafe, which used to just
go home, go to the gym, or rely on friends
and family for safety in numbers. A large part of
that is because we live in a culture that does
not take street harassment or sexual assaults seriously. Not only
are we truly frightened of being attacked on a regular basis,

(10:50):
but we are also acutely aware that society still holds
us responsible in many ways if and when we are assaulted.
So this article they it's opens with them having kind
of a fun what are you going to do with
this hour, but it quickly became apparent that they were
all like talking about safety. So the quote goes on,

(11:12):
women and men need to ask and listen to the
women in their lives to really understand the constant fear
we all feel when we are alone on the street,
particularly at night, the restriction we have with the amount
of time to enjoy activities after work, how we need
to strategically park our cars and well lit areas because
it will be dark by the time we finish happy
hour with our friends, or deciding to play inside with

(11:33):
our kids and wait until our partner comes home to
go for family walks. This fear is real. Street harassment
is scary, and the fear of being attacked always looms.
And yeah, I do take that into account darkness. I
hadn't really thought about it in terms of daylight savings.
Daylight savings, oh no, but yeah. I also found a

(11:56):
lot of students college students have written about this, describing
daylight saving as a curfew, as I said, basically, like
if you have to be alone at night, out alone
at night, telling people where you are, facetiming friends, having
nine to one one already up, so it when it

(12:17):
gets darker earlier, it does feel like, oh, a new
curfew has put place right.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Oh, it's actually could be the implication of like a
racist standard too, because we know sundown towns existed and
still exist today, and that is a very big implication
of what kind of danger you hit into, so you
lose a whole hour. So if you're a personal club,
if you're a black person in general, if you're a
part of the black community that lives or goes going
through an area, don't don't realize that there's daylight saving

(12:44):
sound the way just or whatever whatnot, especially like before
digital where we couldn't just automatically know, right, I couldn't
imagine the level of danger and like, oh, yeah, there's
so many things. So that's just like like that makes
me scared for people. But like in general, like it
is kind of an if you're thinking in that terms, mm.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Hmm, yeah, it has a lot of implications. I did
want to end with. I found this article and at first,
I was like, this isn't serious, right, it's satire. So
but I did see these legitimately in several articles, so
they're kind of making fun of these tips. It was
an article called for Today's woman, make the most of

(13:27):
daylight saving time or die trying by rl Mazes. I
hope I got that smote right quote work over time
to increase your earnings, you need to make up for
the wage gap and for spending half of what you
earn on overpriced dry cleaning razors, personal care products, your
new business suit, that automatic cle Lian's in and the
primal scream therapy you signed up for after your insurance

(13:49):
stopped covering birth control, and just kidding about extra pay
for working overtime. You're a woman working extra as your thing.
Two Cook a gourmet meal that's vegan, gluten free, free, ketogenic,
and low carb to meet the needs for your low
mate and his family. Hit yourself on the head with
the skillet. That's the only way you're getting to bed early.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Three.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Engage in some emotional labor. Four plan your political campaign.
Bake cookies and brandish them at a press conference where
you shout we can have it all. Go home and
binge on the cookies in the back of a dark closet. Five,
run twenty miles and take a dozen step classes.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Six.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
If you're a young woman, practice walking in heels, putting
on mascara, lipstick, eyeliner, foundation, blush, and shaving and waxing everywhere.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Heaven.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
If you're no longer young, dye your hair and have
a procedure. So yeah, I mean, it's so true. So
many times when I find these articles for women, the
advice is like, work harder.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Right, do something creative, create things, be busy, yes, hate
yourself and of course yeah, wow, it's.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Wrong with you, right, figure out what is wrong with
you, your whole thing. And I should have known, like this
morning because I did this research this morning. When I
typed in women in daylight saving time, I would find
these articles.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
They're like, make use of your extra hour. I'm gonna
take use of that by sleeping in right.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I love it, like you get an extra hour, this
like of what of sadness.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Of being in the dark, right of going into a
fetal position hoping that the sun will come to rescue you.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I don't know what else.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Man.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
It's sad but true.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Because we can't we don't want.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
To cry exactly exactly well. I hope it's going well
for you, listeners. I hope it's going well for future
you and I Samantha. Because it hasn't happened yet, I'll
let you know, Okay, cool, I'm sure I'll be hearing
from you about it.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
You clearly have some strongeance.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
I have opinions.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
You do?

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Yeah. How are y'all doing? Is this going to be
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Speaker 4 (16:36):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
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