November 10, 2025 • 33 mins
With the rise of Trumpism, more and more conservative men are lying about their politics on dating apps. We swipe through some numbers and explanations.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Stuff and never told you protection of iHeartRadio, and just
because we live in a real fast moving world. Today,
for this Monday, Minnie, I'm gonna time stamp it. It
is November sixth, twenty twenty five, and today we are
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talking about something that has been going on for a while,
but especially in the age of Trump and MAGA. It's
men lying about their politics on dating profiles are being
very very vague. With a small update of something I
hadn't heard of until Samantha let me know about it.
That will be at the end. So while it is
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true that some people can have romantic relationships with someone
who has different political beliefs, certainly couldn't right now, but
people can. It is easier to find someone who shares
your values, especially I would argue if you're coming from
a marginalized community and the current administration is harming you
and stripping you of your rights and the rights of
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those that you care about, which has been heightened under Yes,
this current administration. Trump has demonized feminism, he's sexually assaulted
women and embraced hyper masculinity. So yeah, that's that's pretty polarizing.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well did you know he says that he was better
looking than Mundani, Like a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
What, oh my god, does it even matter?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Like that?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But he needed to make that statement. I just just like,
he's so insecure.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
He is so insecure as a.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Like almost dying man because he's old, y'all. I'm sorry
not to be ageist, but he's also not healthy.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But all that to.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Say, needs to compare himself to a like a young dude,
which other the I mean, come on anyway, keep going?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, yeah, clearly so strong emotions, strong emotions.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Strong emotions, but like when you're that frail and fragile
that you need to be like, but I'm better logging
than him, bro?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
What yeah? Is that the comeback got you? I have
a friend who I just am like, I don't I
never want this to be the news story, but just
with you, I want to complain about all of these
very superficial things about Trump. I would never do it
because I think that actually takes up a lot of
space and harms other people exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
But the fact that he needed to compare himself, yes,
like he had to say.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
What is happening?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay, this is the leader supposedly this is the guy.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So finding someone who shares your politics, while it doesn't
necessarily mean you won't find plenty of other issues, maybe
even political ones, because by goodness I have with them,
it is generally like a few less things to worry about,
and it indicates that this person and you are more
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likely to agree with several things of on values that
are important to you. Politics are personal. We've said it,
people have said it. It's true. Because of this, more
and more people, women specifically have started asking, typically men,
before the first date, what are your politics? Who did
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you vote for? And surprise, surprise, a lot of conservative
men are lying about it to get more dates. Okay,
and they aren't wrong that a lot of women don't
want to date them. In the beginning of this year,
twenty twenty five, reminder, the conservative think tank American Enterprise
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Institute released a study that found while thirty six percent
of heterosexual men reported they wouldn't date a Trump supporter,
fifty two percent of heterosexual women reported that they wouldn't.
Here's some quotes from that. Sixty percent of single women
believe that women will be treated worse under the Trump
administration of you, only forty seven percent of single men share.
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Not surprisingly, most single women, including three quarters of college
educated single women, report that they would be less likely
to date a Trump supporter. Single men and women also
have dramatically different views about what Trump's election means. Single
women are uniquely fearful of Trump's return to power. Among
those who voted for Kamala Harris, forty one percent of
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single women and twenty six percent of single men report
that they are frightened by Trump's election. Six to ten
single women believe that women in the US will be
worse off under a second Trump presidency. Most single men
do not share these concerns. I also think something that's
not being discussed as much he is the intensity of
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women's dislike of Trump. It's not like a minor dislike.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It's like a big one, like a vitual that is, yes,
saving out exactly some women that I might be, Yes, Well,
you might get to see some of it already, heard
some of it already.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Here's a quote from American Survey Center. The antipathy young
women feel towards Donald Trump has been well documented, but
the strength of the aversion they feel towards him is
less remarked upon. The typical way we measure feelings toward
political figures is on a scale of very favorable to
very unfavorable. Seventy five percent of unmarried young women have
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a very unfavorable view of Trump. But this survey question
does not adequately capture the visceral feelings of disgust many
young women have for Trump. A twenty sixteen ap pole
found that a majority of young women said the term
sexist described Trump, which, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I feel like that's the polite way of saying that's
the nicest way to say it. Very very of diplomatic,
politically correct here, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
The dating app Hilly released a survey around the same
time that found one in three of gen Z and
millennial women wouldn't date someone with different political beliefs. I
believe the prevailing quote was I'd rather die alone only
one only one and ten of the men surveyed reported
the same thing. A twenty twenty Pew Research study found
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that while half of Republicans said they probably are definitely
wouldn't date someone who voted for Biden, seventy one percent
of Democratic women said they probably are definitely wouldn't date
someone who voted for Trump. A twenty twenty four survey
of one thousand people from the dating app Coffee Meats
Bay found that eighty three percent would be willing to
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end the relationship based on politics. Eighty three percent. Yeah,
it's and these are only a handful of numbers listeners.
There has been a lot about that.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I was just thinking about the fact that you were
saying the single some of the single men who said
they would be afraid, I'm sure they were all Like,
I wonder if they're part of the queer community. Yeah,
I could chug of those people or like some marginalized
group single men, like it wasn't just white obviously, Yeah,
white heteronormative men.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, I would not be surprised at all. Uh. I'm
also not surprised about this. Unfortunately, what have conservative men
started doing because of all this? They have been labeling
themselves as moderate or being otherwise very politically vague, so
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that they can match with women who have like a
no Conservatives descriptor or something like that in their profile
where they meet see that and just swipe left. This
practice has become so widespread from these men that for
many moderate has become a red flag that's an immediately nope,
a lot of women have described days months of messaging,
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only to eventually find out not only are these men
not moderate, but are in fact far right and anti feminist.
Some even lie, like outright lie about who they voted
for at first, given that women's rights are under attack,
reproductive rights are being stripped, the administration's promotion of proto
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nationalism to increase the white Christian birth rate in the
US switch by the way, I almost did that for
a Monday many but it was such a big topic
that we're just going to have to come back. But yeah,
and the rise of online discourse around trad drives that
women are rightfully anxious about this. It feels like a threat,
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it feels like a violation, and it's exhausting. It's exhausting.
Dating is already a minefield, and now you may go
on a date where you have to explain why this
whole political thing isn't just a difference of opinion. This
is about safety, it's about rights, it's about humanity. Do
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you see me as human? Do you see me as
someone deserving equal rights? Now I have to do this.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
If they're lying about it, then they know the significance
that that's the thing is what bothers me is eventually
it will come out because they will slip up and
say something because it inevitably, whether it's an eye roll,
whether it's a dismissal, whether it's like, oh but he
wasn't that bad type of conversation, it'll eventually come out,
and the red flags will be like being because the
women are like, wait, what the thing is?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
They know? How about it is?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Is? They know it's a big deal if they have
to lie to get to these women, And also, why
would you want to date someone with these things that
are so against what you quote unquote voted for. As
well as the fact that didn't they start like these
conservative dating websites specifically so they could.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Find their own people.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Why are they straying away from them so hard?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yes, well, part of the reason that this was on
my radar. We have been talking about doing this for
a while, but it came up again to me recently
because there was a news article that was about people
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in Washington, DC. Basically nobody likes Trump there. It's pretty rare,
and so they were saying like conservative men were having
such a hard time matching, and so it was sort
of a way of gaming the system, because if you say,
a lot of dating apps now give you the option
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to screen out if they say conservative or anything like that,
just immediately screen them out. And so it was sort
of like a way of getting back. Yeah. So the
problem is compounded in liberal cities, where conservative men have
far fewer chances of matching. I saw the nicest, most
diplomatic quote about this from a woman who was interviewed,
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and she said, well, they really have no option because
no one wants to take them. But no. That made
me laugh, but she was saying, like, in such a
liberal city, you're dating pool. It's very small. Some women
have reported that men in these situations say things like
you're in a blue state, You're fine, which makes me
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want to throw something. That is a horrible thing to say.
Some sites that I found even have like these questions
like advice about how to how to figure out what
moderate means to someone you're messaging, which blows my mind
that there's actual dating advice about this. There's also apps
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like maple Match, which was a dating service to put
Americans and Canadians together that was created in twenty sixteen
after the election. By the way, was.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It a green card yesship.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yes, and they were talking about all the numbers went
way up after the other election. So again, maybe we
could come back and do that topic for another day.
Another topic we need to do another day. But I
did find some articles about how some consider tradwive relationships
being a twenty four to seven kink relationship. Well, we'll
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come back to that maybe maybe. Okay, So not only
do women report feeling catfish or being lied to after
all of this, but there is something else going on here.
Some men are doing this not just for a date,
but because they want to change the politics of the
liberal woman they match with. They see it as like
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a duty and or they can't meet the standards of
conservative women. They want to have sex before marriage, they
want the duel income, they want a conquest, they didn't
actually want to be the breadwinner. So who do they
go for liberal women because they can't meet conservative women's standards?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, very interesting. Also, like I've read a pretty heartbreaking
story from a woman that this happened to, and she
really liked this guy, spent a long time with him,
and after they had sex, he the next morning he said,
what do you think is the biggest problem facing feminism,
and she gave, like, you know, reproductive rights, like a
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bunch of answers that I would agree with, and then
he said, I think it's because you all hate men,
and then left, like he just had sex with her
and left her, and that's so gross that he took
that final moment to be like, you're actually very unintelligent,
and here's why.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Because I tricked you.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Because I tricked you. There is a pretty fiery Reddit
post that I found about this, where the poster I
think it was it was something like too afraid to ask,
but they asked why are men doing this? And a
lot of the comments I'm guessing from largely men were
essentially things like because things have been so radicalized and
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conservatives are seen aren't seen as people anymore. Our people
won't even give us a chance for more than our
political beliefs, or that they're actually more progressive than people think.
I don't believe it in extremes was a big one.
Once they get to know me better, they'll know I'm
a good person and forget the lying. I love that one.
It's discrimination, It's about the economy. I'm a political or
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and believe in it right, I'm glad you have the.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Privilege to be right, like a political is the biggest
red Like you are so privileged that you do you
are securely okay with everything going wrong, and you do
not care about other people, Like that's the big red flag.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh yeah, that was a That one came up a lot.
I just don't. I mean, I get it, but that
is the most frustrating, like shrug of responsibility or care
I've ever just no, no thanks, no thanks. And yeah,
this whole thing is not surprising. It aligns with a
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lot of pickup culture or lying to get a date
or hookup that we do see is really popular in
conservative circles. But it's gross that people, largely heterosexual men
in this case, feel so comfortable lying, and the hopes
of getting women invested are getting laid because a lot
of them said I just have to get her invested
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and then she won't leave right exactly. And I'm not
saying it's.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Easy dating these days, but if you have to start
with a lie, then maybe we should be examining a
bunch of other things, as has been pointed out by many,
For a lot of heterosexual, usually white men that have
never felt threatened by politics, or by like a vagueness.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Around politics, so they don't understand the actual danger and
threat that some of us feel, or they dismiss it
or if they laugh at it. But for marginalized folks,
this is not the case. That American Enterprise Institute study
I mentioned earlier, it also found that only thirty five
percent of unmarried women felt safe using online dating apps.
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Only thirty five percent, And this is a significant drop
from a previous study in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, that's a huge job.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, I mean thirty Oddly. I actually think this whole
thing is part of what helped get Trump elected because
angry single men largely voted for Trump, while single women
largely didn't. And these men are angry that they're single, uh,
and so they vote for things that embody that anger,
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this misogyny, but it perpetuates numerous things that are why
they are single.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh, I don't see the like cyclical bit of this,
Like you are the problem and you are causing more problems.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Right, Like if we actually honestly worked on rape culture
and made that better, I promised to you a lot
more women would be willing to go on dates with you.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
The bar is so low that a decent dude that
literally is like, yeah, you know what if a woman
says no and and he walks away, people clap for them.
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
You're going in the wrong way, my man.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You really don't have to do that much not lying.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
This is one of the beginnings changing some of your
views about human rights.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Barely right.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I just saw a post about a girl saying that
she saw this man holding a baby in the correct way,
and she was like, my uter is jump.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Man right, it's it's bad news. I know we've talked
about it before, but every time I hear my friends
who are still dating their stories, I'm like, this is
not worth it. This is not worth it. And in fact,
many of my friends, my women friends, they're just like that,
you're right, I don't want to date anymore. That's it's
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not worth it. And this contracts with the idea that men,
a lot of men feel that they are entitled to
women and resort to violence when they don't get dates.
We talked about the male loneliness. I think that you
know in it we said women are lonely too. It's
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just that the male loneliness part is leading.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
To violence, right, leading to death.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Exactly. Uh So this whole thing, like Trump's ruining your
dating chances. Dudes, I know you're not listening and you
never would, but I'm just gonna put it out there.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Christian nationalism is killing your chances of having a family.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, those things that you're like supporting and pushing, they're
not working out, okay.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Like the thing is, women are just as lonely, but
we also have better friend groups. So when we say
we're okay singles, because we have a family within our
friend groups. Like I talk about the fact that if
my relationship with my partner were to end right now,
I would not want to try to date again, Like
I feel like I'm already too old, which is an
age's kind of attitude in the sexist, misogynistic world. But
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also I'm tired, and I don't want to try to
maneuver through that. Also, I know I have a great
group of like women who are either single or like childless,
and we are a community that does okay. We are
okay because we're not attached to our partner in such
a way that if one of us, if we would
break up, like everything falls apart. That's not a thing
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as were once upon a time when you you know,
my parents specifically and my older siblings, it it did
feel that way, like they have to figure out their finances,
they have to figure out how to get you know,
all these things that really held them into that marriage
or relationship. And also because they lost a lot of
their friendships or those friendships are all caught up in
their families, we have less of that, Like I have
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enough group of people that I'm like, I could lean
to being able to have my time in I'm gonna
hang out with this person. This person they would let
me stay with them if I need like stuff like that.
And knowing that, you know, I have enough single friends.
I have enough like childless friends.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I have people who.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Do have children, but not a lot of you know what,
I'm like that we can make a community and we
don't feel lonely.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, in that same way.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, Yeah, And I mean that's it's also such a
larger conversation of pilots.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
And we talked about that with the loneliness epidemic, Like
that's exactly like we were able to be like we
can suffice. Being single is no longer a threat for us.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yes, And going back to the episode I mentioned that
I was going to do for this Monday Mini. I'm
proto nationalism. We've talked about that before with the Monday
many of yours about the South Korean birth rate. There
has been a lot of handwringing about that recently, and
not just the US but a bunch of countries, and
a lot of it was, you know, women, don't they
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have job opportunities where they didn't. It wasn't it wasn't
painted in a bad light for a lot of people,
but they were saying, this is why it's happening, is
because a lot of these things weren't there before that
women are now able to pursue.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Right. It also studies that say things like being married
is actually detrimental women but helps men and like single
women outlive married women and do better for themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Like the studies have shown, oh.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Like women lose themselves because they have to sacrifice so
much for a family or married but when they don't
have to do all that, they live just as well
as the married dude.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah without the baggage.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah. There was another quote I found from somebody talking
about this that was just I'm good. I don't need
the drama men bring into my life. I feel like, right,
I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And honestly this goes for like queer relationships too, because
I've seen statistics where the abusive relationships within like specifically
like lesbian relationships and gay relationships have kind of like
it is now that they're actually researching it is higher
than you would expect. And so just being single even, yeah,
it's still better.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah I know, I know, but yes, I see that too.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You're living that dream right now, like, yes, Anie.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
No, That's why I'm excited to come back to the
article you were you sent to me that we'll mention
at the end. But it's been it's been a kind
of interesting journey for me from going to like to
hear the sad single lady he'll never get married, to
be like survive one. Well, welcome back to that in future.
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We already were planning it. Another thing I stumbled upon
researching this is apparently another trick men are using is
putting in therapy in their profiles to indicate that they
know how to communicate and are emotionally intelligent. This was
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in part because of questions about openness of discussing mental
health that we're on a lot of dating apps, so
if people of men answered yes, they saw about a
five hundred percent increase in potential matches. So you can
see the episode bar so low that bar is so loo.
They just want to know are you okay? And you
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can see the episode we did with bridget about this
whole thing. We kind of talked about it with Jonah
Hill's controlling behavior of his ex and he was using
these therapy terms inaccurately, like these are my boundaries, which
that was not correct uses at all. But yeah, you
can listen to that episode to learn more about that.
Also to mention once more this there has been a
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whole push for women who have said they don't want
or can't afford to have kids and some there's been
a really interesting conversation I'm seeing playing out about that
on dating apps where men are like, we can have
five kids and women are like, no, uh, we can't.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Were you talking who is we batman exactly?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
But also just the reality of our economy right now
and then like the economies of a lot of the
world is no, we cannot do it, and you're talking
about me probably losing.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
My job or having one thousand dollars as like like
your your incentive to children who know grow out of
clothes have to use diaper like what.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
YEP called Trump accounts listeners. I had to go to
the White House official website for the first time to
learn about this, and it's gross. I was like, I
knew that you had really hijacked this website. But wow. Anyway,
all of this has perhaps led to something that yes,
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Samantha turned me on too, that we're planning on returning
in the future, which is the recent viral Vogue article
by Chante Joseph is having a boyfriend embarrassing Now? And
it includes the quote why does having a boyfriend feel Republican?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Look out for that. But yeah, I mean, this just
makes me so angry. I there's a part of me
that like because the comparison that kept coming up was
men lie about their heights on on dating apps because
it just screened you out, and they feel like if
I just if they just get to know me, I
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have less of a problem with that. I still think
you shouldn't just lie, But this feels like a serious
This is.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
All our rights and infringements and also your beliefs of
the value of me.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yes, and also a lot of the profiles will say
specifically know and they'll lie and then they'll say something
like you just needed to get to know me, Like
it has nothing to do with how highly do you
have to think of yourself? Right where you think you
can enter a relationship like that and she'll get to
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know me, and then I'm in the clear. She'll forget
about this whole live that started the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I there's so many conversations that you have to wonder
why you would think this is just a minor like
once upon a time, once upon a time, maybe I
don't know, I don't know, I like maybe when I
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was talking about Bush, which still is bad, don't get.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Me wrong, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
But like.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Today's rhetoric is literally the extreme of whatever. Like we
have Nazi parties coming back, we have neo Nazis coming
in full wing. We have anti black people like literally
the Clue Klux Klan in different forms have been shown
back up, the Daughters of the Confederacy slash Moms for Liberty,
like all of these things are literally trying to take
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away rights to the point that we are seeing queer
rights being taken away. When rights are being taken away,
that is when we were like, no, no, this is
not an extreme. This is a failure of humanity. This
is an access to atrocities and new things that we're
coming to see when we see people being locked up
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for no damn reason and be dying, and facilities and
systems being shot because they're a different race, because like
all being profiled just because you might be a different race,
being told that using having food for your kids is
a privilege, yeah, and not a right, Like these are
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the things that like, that's the problem that I'm like
when you trying to downplay that to being like it's
just the political it's just a viewpoint, it's just an opinion.
It's like, it's not what it's actually trying to actively
kill people, actively hurt people, Like this is the difference,
and if you can't see that, then that is a
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failing in itself.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah. Yeah, And I mean the if you want to
be infuriated, you can look up some of the responses
these men have had when they've been found out and
they're just oh but also, uh, it was it was
kind of funny to read about how many dates hit
so quickly. Yeah, now where they're like seven minutes in,
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got it, I do come.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Up very quickly because they say something real silly. I
remember way back when it was John McCain that was
running with Sarah Palin, right, yes, I remember when that
was going on, which was bad enough. And by the way,
as much as I disliked John McCain, love him compared
to everything else.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Can we just lido rip? Can we just say that?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
But like I remember the girl went on a date
and they didn't even talk about politics.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
This is before the whole like, let me know your politics.
That was when moderate was okay.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Moderate was seemingly okay because at the very least they're like, fine,
we'll give you, you know, queer rights, we'll give you
like twenty weeks and like some which is still not enough,
but like at the very least they weren't actively trying
to quick kill women or the queer community or people
of color kind of but like at least they were
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hiding it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
We'll say it that way.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But he literally said to her, he was like, so,
how excited are you? And she was like excuse me,
and she was like how He's like, how is si
are you? I mean Sarah Palin, She's amazing. It's a
woman it's a woman. I'm like, that is again, this
is where we have to talk about your insane sexism
to believe that will quill right any type.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Of yes, perfect, yay, right, that's all I needed.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
That is her intellectual abilities to understand it's a woman. Yay.
That's not Now I can go back to my lipstick
and having babies. Like I was like at that point,
it was that insulting, like to this, like you don't
say it, and now we're here. But it's always been
a little bit and now it's just come to the extremists.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, well it's incredibly condescending and and somebody included a
quote from Trevor Noah's book, but it was basically like
men want to they want to capture the quote exotic bird.
They want to they want to tame and subdue. There's
just a challenge exactly. So the conservative woman to them
(31:57):
is like she's already in the cage. But what we
want is the woman who doesn't agree, and you want
to tame her, change her mind, kill her spirit, kill
her spirit. And I was like, yeah, that unfortunately rings
pretty true to me. Yeah, so we will be back
(32:19):
to talk more about this. It's it's been a big
news item for a long time. Like I said, we've
been talking about this for a while, but I just
last week ran into it again. So if any listeners
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Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Stuff and never told you protection of iHeartRadio, and just
because we live in a real fast moving world. Today,
for this Monday, Minnie, I'm gonna time stamp it. It
is November sixth, twenty twenty five, and today we are
(00:31):
talking about something that has been going on for a while,
but especially in the age of Trump and MAGA. It's
men lying about their politics on dating profiles are being
very very vague. With a small update of something I
hadn't heard of until Samantha let me know about it.
That will be at the end. So while it is
(00:54):
true that some people can have romantic relationships with someone
who has different political beliefs, certainly couldn't right now, but
people can. It is easier to find someone who shares
your values, especially I would argue if you're coming from
a marginalized community and the current administration is harming you
and stripping you of your rights and the rights of
(01:15):
those that you care about, which has been heightened under Yes,
this current administration. Trump has demonized feminism, he's sexually assaulted
women and embraced hyper masculinity. So yeah, that's that's pretty polarizing.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well did you know he says that he was better
looking than Mundani, Like a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
What, oh my god, does it even matter?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Like that?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But he needed to make that statement. I just just like,
he's so insecure.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
He is so insecure as a.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Like almost dying man because he's old, y'all. I'm sorry
not to be ageist, but he's also not healthy.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But all that to.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Say, needs to compare himself to a like a young dude,
which other the I mean, come on anyway, keep going?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, yeah, clearly so strong emotions, strong emotions.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Strong emotions, but like when you're that frail and fragile
that you need to be like, but I'm better logging
than him, bro?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
What yeah? Is that the comeback got you? I have
a friend who I just am like, I don't I
never want this to be the news story, but just
with you, I want to complain about all of these
very superficial things about Trump. I would never do it
because I think that actually takes up a lot of
space and harms other people exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
But the fact that he needed to compare himself, yes,
like he had to say.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
What is happening?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay, this is the leader supposedly this is the guy.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So finding someone who shares your politics, while it doesn't
necessarily mean you won't find plenty of other issues, maybe
even political ones, because by goodness I have with them,
it is generally like a few less things to worry about,
and it indicates that this person and you are more
(03:06):
likely to agree with several things of on values that
are important to you. Politics are personal. We've said it,
people have said it. It's true. Because of this, more
and more people, women specifically have started asking, typically men,
before the first date, what are your politics? Who did
(03:29):
you vote for? And surprise, surprise, a lot of conservative
men are lying about it to get more dates. Okay,
and they aren't wrong that a lot of women don't
want to date them. In the beginning of this year,
twenty twenty five, reminder, the conservative think tank American Enterprise
(03:52):
Institute released a study that found while thirty six percent
of heterosexual men reported they wouldn't date a Trump supporter,
fifty two percent of heterosexual women reported that they wouldn't.
Here's some quotes from that. Sixty percent of single women
believe that women will be treated worse under the Trump
administration of you, only forty seven percent of single men share.
(04:15):
Not surprisingly, most single women, including three quarters of college
educated single women, report that they would be less likely
to date a Trump supporter. Single men and women also
have dramatically different views about what Trump's election means. Single
women are uniquely fearful of Trump's return to power. Among
those who voted for Kamala Harris, forty one percent of
(04:38):
single women and twenty six percent of single men report
that they are frightened by Trump's election. Six to ten
single women believe that women in the US will be
worse off under a second Trump presidency. Most single men
do not share these concerns. I also think something that's
not being discussed as much he is the intensity of
(05:02):
women's dislike of Trump. It's not like a minor dislike.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It's like a big one, like a vitual that is, yes,
saving out exactly some women that I might be, Yes, Well,
you might get to see some of it already, heard
some of it already.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Here's a quote from American Survey Center. The antipathy young
women feel towards Donald Trump has been well documented, but
the strength of the aversion they feel towards him is
less remarked upon. The typical way we measure feelings toward
political figures is on a scale of very favorable to
very unfavorable. Seventy five percent of unmarried young women have
(05:46):
a very unfavorable view of Trump. But this survey question
does not adequately capture the visceral feelings of disgust many
young women have for Trump. A twenty sixteen ap pole
found that a majority of young women said the term
sexist described Trump, which, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I feel like that's the polite way of saying that's
the nicest way to say it. Very very of diplomatic,
politically correct here, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
The dating app Hilly released a survey around the same
time that found one in three of gen Z and
millennial women wouldn't date someone with different political beliefs. I
believe the prevailing quote was I'd rather die alone only
one only one and ten of the men surveyed reported
the same thing. A twenty twenty Pew Research study found
(06:42):
that while half of Republicans said they probably are definitely
wouldn't date someone who voted for Biden, seventy one percent
of Democratic women said they probably are definitely wouldn't date
someone who voted for Trump. A twenty twenty four survey
of one thousand people from the dating app Coffee Meats
Bay found that eighty three percent would be willing to
(07:03):
end the relationship based on politics. Eighty three percent. Yeah,
it's and these are only a handful of numbers listeners.
There has been a lot about that.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I was just thinking about the fact that you were
saying the single some of the single men who said
they would be afraid, I'm sure they were all Like,
I wonder if they're part of the queer community. Yeah,
I could chug of those people or like some marginalized
group single men, like it wasn't just white obviously, Yeah,
white heteronormative men.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, I would not be surprised at all. Uh. I'm
also not surprised about this. Unfortunately, what have conservative men
started doing because of all this? They have been labeling
themselves as moderate or being otherwise very politically vague, so
(07:53):
that they can match with women who have like a
no Conservatives descriptor or something like that in their profile
where they meet see that and just swipe left. This
practice has become so widespread from these men that for
many moderate has become a red flag that's an immediately nope,
a lot of women have described days months of messaging,
(08:18):
only to eventually find out not only are these men
not moderate, but are in fact far right and anti feminist.
Some even lie, like outright lie about who they voted
for at first, given that women's rights are under attack,
reproductive rights are being stripped, the administration's promotion of proto
(08:42):
nationalism to increase the white Christian birth rate in the
US switch by the way, I almost did that for
a Monday many but it was such a big topic
that we're just going to have to come back. But yeah,
and the rise of online discourse around trad drives that
women are rightfully anxious about this. It feels like a threat,
(09:02):
it feels like a violation, and it's exhausting. It's exhausting.
Dating is already a minefield, and now you may go
on a date where you have to explain why this
whole political thing isn't just a difference of opinion. This
is about safety, it's about rights, it's about humanity. Do
(09:23):
you see me as human? Do you see me as
someone deserving equal rights? Now I have to do this.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
If they're lying about it, then they know the significance
that that's the thing is what bothers me is eventually
it will come out because they will slip up and
say something because it inevitably, whether it's an eye roll,
whether it's a dismissal, whether it's like, oh but he
wasn't that bad type of conversation, it'll eventually come out,
and the red flags will be like being because the
women are like, wait, what the thing is?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
They know? How about it is?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Is? They know it's a big deal if they have
to lie to get to these women, And also, why
would you want to date someone with these things that
are so against what you quote unquote voted for. As
well as the fact that didn't they start like these
conservative dating websites specifically so they could.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Find their own people.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Why are they straying away from them so hard?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yes, well, part of the reason that this was on
my radar. We have been talking about doing this for
a while, but it came up again to me recently
because there was a news article that was about people
(10:36):
in Washington, DC. Basically nobody likes Trump there. It's pretty rare,
and so they were saying like conservative men were having
such a hard time matching, and so it was sort
of a way of gaming the system, because if you say,
a lot of dating apps now give you the option
(10:59):
to screen out if they say conservative or anything like that,
just immediately screen them out. And so it was sort
of like a way of getting back. Yeah. So the
problem is compounded in liberal cities, where conservative men have
far fewer chances of matching. I saw the nicest, most
diplomatic quote about this from a woman who was interviewed,
(11:21):
and she said, well, they really have no option because
no one wants to take them. But no. That made
me laugh, but she was saying, like, in such a
liberal city, you're dating pool. It's very small. Some women
have reported that men in these situations say things like
you're in a blue state, You're fine, which makes me
(11:42):
want to throw something. That is a horrible thing to say.
Some sites that I found even have like these questions
like advice about how to how to figure out what
moderate means to someone you're messaging, which blows my mind
that there's actual dating advice about this. There's also apps
(12:03):
like maple Match, which was a dating service to put
Americans and Canadians together that was created in twenty sixteen
after the election. By the way, was.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It a green card yesship.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yes, and they were talking about all the numbers went
way up after the other election. So again, maybe we
could come back and do that topic for another day.
Another topic we need to do another day. But I
did find some articles about how some consider tradwive relationships
being a twenty four to seven kink relationship. Well, we'll
(12:41):
come back to that maybe maybe. Okay, So not only
do women report feeling catfish or being lied to after
all of this, but there is something else going on here.
Some men are doing this not just for a date,
but because they want to change the politics of the
liberal woman they match with. They see it as like
(13:04):
a duty and or they can't meet the standards of
conservative women. They want to have sex before marriage, they
want the duel income, they want a conquest, they didn't
actually want to be the breadwinner. So who do they
go for liberal women because they can't meet conservative women's standards?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, very interesting. Also, like I've read a pretty heartbreaking
story from a woman that this happened to, and she
really liked this guy, spent a long time with him,
and after they had sex, he the next morning he said,
what do you think is the biggest problem facing feminism,
and she gave, like, you know, reproductive rights, like a
(13:49):
bunch of answers that I would agree with, and then
he said, I think it's because you all hate men,
and then left, like he just had sex with her
and left her, and that's so gross that he took
that final moment to be like, you're actually very unintelligent,
and here's why.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Because I tricked you.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Because I tricked you. There is a pretty fiery Reddit
post that I found about this, where the poster I
think it was it was something like too afraid to ask,
but they asked why are men doing this? And a
lot of the comments I'm guessing from largely men were
essentially things like because things have been so radicalized and
(14:34):
conservatives are seen aren't seen as people anymore. Our people
won't even give us a chance for more than our
political beliefs, or that they're actually more progressive than people think.
I don't believe it in extremes was a big one.
Once they get to know me better, they'll know I'm
a good person and forget the lying. I love that one.
It's discrimination, It's about the economy. I'm a political or
(15:00):
and believe in it right, I'm glad you have the.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Privilege to be right, like a political is the biggest
red Like you are so privileged that you do you
are securely okay with everything going wrong, and you do
not care about other people, Like that's the big red flag.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh yeah, that was a That one came up a lot.
I just don't. I mean, I get it, but that
is the most frustrating, like shrug of responsibility or care
I've ever just no, no thanks, no thanks. And yeah,
this whole thing is not surprising. It aligns with a
(15:39):
lot of pickup culture or lying to get a date
or hookup that we do see is really popular in
conservative circles. But it's gross that people, largely heterosexual men
in this case, feel so comfortable lying, and the hopes
of getting women invested are getting laid because a lot
of them said I just have to get her invested
(16:02):
and then she won't leave right exactly. And I'm not
saying it's.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Easy dating these days, but if you have to start
with a lie, then maybe we should be examining a
bunch of other things, as has been pointed out by many,
For a lot of heterosexual, usually white men that have
never felt threatened by politics, or by like a vagueness.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Around politics, so they don't understand the actual danger and
threat that some of us feel, or they dismiss it
or if they laugh at it. But for marginalized folks,
this is not the case. That American Enterprise Institute study
I mentioned earlier, it also found that only thirty five
percent of unmarried women felt safe using online dating apps.
(16:51):
Only thirty five percent, And this is a significant drop
from a previous study in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, that's a huge job.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, I mean thirty Oddly. I actually think this whole
thing is part of what helped get Trump elected because
angry single men largely voted for Trump, while single women
largely didn't. And these men are angry that they're single, uh,
and so they vote for things that embody that anger,
(17:22):
this misogyny, but it perpetuates numerous things that are why
they are single.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh, I don't see the like cyclical bit of this,
Like you are the problem and you are causing more problems.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Right, Like if we actually honestly worked on rape culture
and made that better, I promised to you a lot
more women would be willing to go on dates with you.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
The bar is so low that a decent dude that
literally is like, yeah, you know what if a woman
says no and and he walks away, people clap for them.
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
You're going in the wrong way, my man.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You really don't have to do that much not lying.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
This is one of the beginnings changing some of your
views about human rights.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Barely right.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I just saw a post about a girl saying that
she saw this man holding a baby in the correct way,
and she was like, my uter is jump.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Man right, it's it's bad news. I know we've talked
about it before, but every time I hear my friends
who are still dating their stories, I'm like, this is
not worth it. This is not worth it. And in fact,
many of my friends, my women friends, they're just like that,
you're right, I don't want to date anymore. That's it's
(18:43):
not worth it. And this contracts with the idea that men,
a lot of men feel that they are entitled to
women and resort to violence when they don't get dates.
We talked about the male loneliness. I think that you
know in it we said women are lonely too. It's
(19:06):
just that the male loneliness part is leading.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
To violence, right, leading to death.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Exactly. Uh So this whole thing, like Trump's ruining your
dating chances. Dudes, I know you're not listening and you
never would, but I'm just gonna put it out there.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Christian nationalism is killing your chances of having a family.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, those things that you're like supporting and pushing, they're
not working out, okay.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Like the thing is, women are just as lonely, but
we also have better friend groups. So when we say
we're okay singles, because we have a family within our
friend groups. Like I talk about the fact that if
my relationship with my partner were to end right now,
I would not want to try to date again, Like
I feel like I'm already too old, which is an
age's kind of attitude in the sexist, misogynistic world. But
(20:00):
also I'm tired, and I don't want to try to
maneuver through that. Also, I know I have a great
group of like women who are either single or like childless,
and we are a community that does okay. We are
okay because we're not attached to our partner in such
a way that if one of us, if we would
break up, like everything falls apart. That's not a thing
(20:21):
as were once upon a time when you you know,
my parents specifically and my older siblings, it it did
feel that way, like they have to figure out their finances,
they have to figure out how to get you know,
all these things that really held them into that marriage
or relationship. And also because they lost a lot of
their friendships or those friendships are all caught up in
their families, we have less of that, Like I have
(20:42):
enough group of people that I'm like, I could lean
to being able to have my time in I'm gonna
hang out with this person. This person they would let
me stay with them if I need like stuff like that.
And knowing that, you know, I have enough single friends.
I have enough like childless friends.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I have people who.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Do have children, but not a lot of you know what,
I'm like that we can make a community and we
don't feel lonely.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, in that same way.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, Yeah, And I mean that's it's also such a
larger conversation of pilots.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
And we talked about that with the loneliness epidemic, Like
that's exactly like we were able to be like we
can suffice. Being single is no longer a threat for us.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yes, And going back to the episode I mentioned that
I was going to do for this Monday Mini. I'm
proto nationalism. We've talked about that before with the Monday
many of yours about the South Korean birth rate. There
has been a lot of handwringing about that recently, and
not just the US but a bunch of countries, and
a lot of it was, you know, women, don't they
(21:47):
have job opportunities where they didn't. It wasn't it wasn't
painted in a bad light for a lot of people,
but they were saying, this is why it's happening, is
because a lot of these things weren't there before that
women are now able to pursue.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Right. It also studies that say things like being married
is actually detrimental women but helps men and like single
women outlive married women and do better for themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Like the studies have shown, oh.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Like women lose themselves because they have to sacrifice so
much for a family or married but when they don't
have to do all that, they live just as well
as the married dude.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah without the baggage.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah. There was another quote I found from somebody talking
about this that was just I'm good. I don't need
the drama men bring into my life. I feel like, right,
I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And honestly this goes for like queer relationships too, because
I've seen statistics where the abusive relationships within like specifically
like lesbian relationships and gay relationships have kind of like
it is now that they're actually researching it is higher
than you would expect. And so just being single even, yeah,
it's still better.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah I know, I know, but yes, I see that too.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You're living that dream right now, like, yes, Anie.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
No, That's why I'm excited to come back to the
article you were you sent to me that we'll mention
at the end. But it's been it's been a kind
of interesting journey for me from going to like to
hear the sad single lady he'll never get married, to
be like survive one. Well, welcome back to that in future.
(23:38):
We already were planning it. Another thing I stumbled upon
researching this is apparently another trick men are using is
putting in therapy in their profiles to indicate that they
know how to communicate and are emotionally intelligent. This was
(24:02):
in part because of questions about openness of discussing mental
health that we're on a lot of dating apps, so
if people of men answered yes, they saw about a
five hundred percent increase in potential matches. So you can
see the episode bar so low that bar is so loo.
They just want to know are you okay? And you
(24:22):
can see the episode we did with bridget about this
whole thing. We kind of talked about it with Jonah
Hill's controlling behavior of his ex and he was using
these therapy terms inaccurately, like these are my boundaries, which
that was not correct uses at all. But yeah, you
can listen to that episode to learn more about that.
Also to mention once more this there has been a
(24:45):
whole push for women who have said they don't want
or can't afford to have kids and some there's been
a really interesting conversation I'm seeing playing out about that
on dating apps where men are like, we can have
five kids and women are like, no, uh, we can't.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Were you talking who is we batman exactly?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
But also just the reality of our economy right now
and then like the economies of a lot of the
world is no, we cannot do it, and you're talking
about me probably losing.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
My job or having one thousand dollars as like like
your your incentive to children who know grow out of
clothes have to use diaper like what.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
YEP called Trump accounts listeners. I had to go to
the White House official website for the first time to
learn about this, and it's gross. I was like, I
knew that you had really hijacked this website. But wow. Anyway,
all of this has perhaps led to something that yes,
(25:56):
Samantha turned me on too, that we're planning on returning
in the future, which is the recent viral Vogue article
by Chante Joseph is having a boyfriend embarrassing Now? And
it includes the quote why does having a boyfriend feel Republican?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Look out for that. But yeah, I mean, this just
makes me so angry. I there's a part of me
that like because the comparison that kept coming up was
men lie about their heights on on dating apps because
it just screened you out, and they feel like if
I just if they just get to know me, I
(26:37):
have less of a problem with that. I still think
you shouldn't just lie, But this feels like a serious
This is.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
All our rights and infringements and also your beliefs of
the value of me.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yes, and also a lot of the profiles will say
specifically know and they'll lie and then they'll say something
like you just needed to get to know me, Like
it has nothing to do with how highly do you
have to think of yourself? Right where you think you
can enter a relationship like that and she'll get to
(27:14):
know me, and then I'm in the clear. She'll forget
about this whole live that started the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I there's so many conversations that you have to wonder
why you would think this is just a minor like
once upon a time, once upon a time, maybe I
don't know, I don't know, I like maybe when I
(27:42):
was talking about Bush, which still is bad, don't get.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Me wrong, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
But like.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Today's rhetoric is literally the extreme of whatever. Like we
have Nazi parties coming back, we have neo Nazis coming
in full wing. We have anti black people like literally
the Clue Klux Klan in different forms have been shown
back up, the Daughters of the Confederacy slash Moms for Liberty,
like all of these things are literally trying to take
(28:12):
away rights to the point that we are seeing queer
rights being taken away. When rights are being taken away,
that is when we were like, no, no, this is
not an extreme. This is a failure of humanity. This
is an access to atrocities and new things that we're
coming to see when we see people being locked up
(28:34):
for no damn reason and be dying, and facilities and
systems being shot because they're a different race, because like
all being profiled just because you might be a different race,
being told that using having food for your kids is
a privilege, yeah, and not a right, Like these are
(28:54):
the things that like, that's the problem that I'm like
when you trying to downplay that to being like it's
just the political it's just a viewpoint, it's just an opinion.
It's like, it's not what it's actually trying to actively
kill people, actively hurt people, Like this is the difference,
and if you can't see that, then that is a
(29:17):
failing in itself.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah. Yeah, And I mean the if you want to
be infuriated, you can look up some of the responses
these men have had when they've been found out and
they're just oh but also, uh, it was it was
kind of funny to read about how many dates hit
so quickly. Yeah, now where they're like seven minutes in,
(29:44):
got it, I do come.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Up very quickly because they say something real silly. I
remember way back when it was John McCain that was
running with Sarah Palin, right, yes, I remember when that
was going on, which was bad enough. And by the way,
as much as I disliked John McCain, love him compared
to everything else.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Can we just lido rip? Can we just say that?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
But like I remember the girl went on a date
and they didn't even talk about politics.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
This is before the whole like, let me know your politics.
That was when moderate was okay.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Moderate was seemingly okay because at the very least they're like, fine,
we'll give you, you know, queer rights, we'll give you
like twenty weeks and like some which is still not enough,
but like at the very least they weren't actively trying
to quick kill women or the queer community or people
of color kind of but like at least they were
(30:40):
hiding it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
We'll say it that way.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But he literally said to her, he was like, so,
how excited are you? And she was like excuse me,
and she was like how He's like, how is si
are you? I mean Sarah Palin, She's amazing. It's a
woman it's a woman. I'm like, that is again, this
is where we have to talk about your insane sexism
to believe that will quill right any type.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Of yes, perfect, yay, right, that's all I needed.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
That is her intellectual abilities to understand it's a woman. Yay.
That's not Now I can go back to my lipstick
and having babies. Like I was like at that point,
it was that insulting, like to this, like you don't
say it, and now we're here. But it's always been
a little bit and now it's just come to the extremists.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, well it's incredibly condescending and and somebody included a
quote from Trevor Noah's book, but it was basically like
men want to they want to capture the quote exotic bird.
They want to they want to tame and subdue. There's
just a challenge exactly. So the conservative woman to them
(31:57):
is like she's already in the cage. But what we
want is the woman who doesn't agree, and you want
to tame her, change her mind, kill her spirit, kill
her spirit. And I was like, yeah, that unfortunately rings
pretty true to me. Yeah, so we will be back
(32:19):
to talk more about this. It's it's been a big
news item for a long time. Like I said, we've
been talking about this for a while, but I just
last week ran into it again. So if any listeners
have experienced this and you want to share your story,
I'm sorry, please write in what a Mess. You can
(32:42):
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