December 25, 2024 • 19 mins
Wind down with us as Anney gushes about sweet cinnamon rolls. No, not the food, the fanfiction tag. Samantha shares her recipe for the cinnamon roll drink and we discuss the cinnamon roll trope, Anney's love for it, and what it has to do with trauma in this classic episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to Stuff I've Never told you Production by Heart Radio,
and today we are bringing back one of our very
early halfy hours, the second one I ever did, which
(00:27):
was about one of my very favorite tropes, the cinnamon roll.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Oh my goodness, that's been on your head for so
like that's been on your mind?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, yes, long it has.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And I have to say, since this came out, I
have started publishing fan fiction and I've just discovered all
of the various terms people used to refer to this.
I do talk about it in here. Samantha helped me
do the early part of that because I was too
scared to learn.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I was like, oh, no, one just.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And this is a naive atay, and it's kind of
faded away. Now you're telling me things. I'm like, oh,
I don't like this.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I got a friend that has far surpassed me in
the fan fiction world, and she is constantly telling me
about some Star Wars story that I'm like, how do
you know about this?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And I don't. That's funny. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But anyway, a lot of these as fan fiction has
gone more mainstream, a lot of these tropes and terms
have gone more mainstream, and as I discussed recently in
a Happy Hour, I saw what I believe was a
misuse of cinnamon.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Roll in an article.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I disagree with how they described it. I don't disagree
with some of their points, but I disagree how they
described it. And this was when I was asking you
about True Blood, and I had just had so many
questions because I did watch that show, but I couldn't
remember it very well, right and Blood, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
And I can't imagine there's anybody on that show that's
a cinnamon roll.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I can't remember it well enough, but I do.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I I personally think because they were talking about the
bad boy vampire having a spell on him and being good,
which true, I don't think that counts as a cinnamon
role because the cinmon role only works if it's genuine.
If it's not genuine, it doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So he kills somebody in his innocent stage.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh no, I mean, you can't explain that a way
depending But I just because it was a spell, it
doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It has to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And I'm pointing to our heart, y'all, just so you know,
she's pointing to our Heart.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yes, well, please enjoy this classic episode.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to stepman.
Never told you protection Heart Radio.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So it is time for another Happy Hour once again
by happy coincidence, is actually Thursday.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yes, so happy Thursday, everyone.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Happy Thursday.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We wanted to invite you to get a drink or
a snack or just do something to relax with us
for a little bit, as we love to share these
hopefully spaces in perhaps a stressful time or day for
you to take that moment whatever that means to you.
Please join us because I'm actually I'm so excited, and
(03:41):
Samantha can see, but I'm like smiling because I'm so
excited to talk about this. What I chose for this
Happy Hour topic which is my favorite fan fiction term
that I only discovered within the past year, I think, which.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Is cinnamon roll.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yes, yes, And so before we get into what that is,
and I swear this is related to feminism and women,
I promise, I promise, I promise.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Samantha knows that I love this very very much.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And as part of our watching Star Wars cocktail thing
that we've done where we've created a bunch of cocktails
for the original trilogy, Samantha, you created one called the
Cinnamon Roll.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Actually it's Annie's Cinnamon Roll. Oh, remember it was very
very specific. Did we name your segment because it's specific
to your nerd loves?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, the working title is Annie's Nerd Corner. But as
I said, I'm still workshopping.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I was just trying to say if you've came up
with a new one or an actual lasting term.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
But yeah, I did create something for our very beginning.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Watchings, and because it is cinnamon roll, and I for
the longest time really thought you meant cinnamon roll, and
every time we talk about it, I crave cinnamon rolls,
and I'm very upset right now that I don't have
one in my face.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But it's okay.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I did decide that I was going to do a
cocktail specifically for you, because I have this love of
coffee and hot chocolate mix together. Of course, this is amocha,
I know. Don't don't at me. People, I know, but
we're not fancy like that. So I had to create
my own, which ended up being a dark coffee with
a scoop of your favorite hot chocolate.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Mine is a double dark chocolate.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh yeah, a little dash of cinnamon obviously, because for
the cinnamon roll part. Some type of dairy or non
dairy ish creamer if you want. If you want to
make it alcoholic cool, do your Bailey's. If not, go
for your favorite creamer. I also have my sweet cream
Chibboni creamer.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I really do like that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
None of these things are sponsored in the way sponsorship.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then you of course mix it up, stir together,
and then at the top, if you also want to
do a dash of whiskey, you know, for any I
do this for her specific you know, cinnamon roll, and
then we do a swirl of whipped cream because I
love some whipped cream with another dash of cinnamon top
of it. And that is your any cinnamon roll and.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I love it. Samantha. You nailed it. And that is
what we're sipping on right now.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I'm sipping on kind of a modified version because I
don't have all those ingredients. And I'll tell you as
I told Samantha, I'm a two coffee before noon gal.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I'm a two cup gal.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's now like three here and I've had four coffees,
so I feel like I am flying high right now.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yes, your jitteriness and happiness of caffeine is quite obvious.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Thank you, And I did want to mention one time, Like,
way back when I was I often talked to Samantha,
who was very kind to let me indulge.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
In my fandom.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I often talked about cinnamon roll and sometimes I'll just say, like,
my sweet cinnamon roll randomly. One time, you did get
cinnamon rolls the food so we could enjoy cinnamon.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Rolls one bite and then I ate the rust, but
it was okay. I was still okay with it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yes, yes, so that is what we are sipping on.
But let's talk about the fan fiction term. So it
means someone who is too pure, too sweet, too innocent
for this world or galaxy, and usually suffers for it.
Almost always, in my fan fiction realm, it is almost
exclusively used to refer to Luke Skywalker from the original
(07:25):
Star Wars series. I've never seen it apply to anyone else,
but my fan fiction realm is pretty narrow, so like,
I can't say for sure, but he like I imagine
if this was a Dictionary entry, his picture would be
next to it. And it's my absolute favorite thing when
I read it. And as you know, samanth I was
scared to google what it meant. When I found out
(07:45):
the definition, I was like, oh my god, this is
exactly the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
This is what I love, and I love that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It has a term, yes, and it also describes what
I Yeah, what I write there is also I want
to put in here cinnamon roll with an S.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah. We went through a whole deep dive of these
different versions of cinnamon rolls.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yes, you you helped me do it because I was
afraid to google it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And that describes someone who appears to be super innocent
but is actually the opposite, or maybe better put like,
they appear to be a cinnamon roll with the sea,
but they're not. And then there's burnt Sinemon role, who
is somebody who was a cinnamon roll but thanks to
some trauma, is no longer a cinnamon eral. They are burnt,
(08:30):
and some people I could see the argument that Luke
and the Last Jedi is a burnt Centamon role.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Maybe in the newer ones Yon roll right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I think so. I can see that.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And that's actually funnily enough, even though I would imagine
most people don't know this term. That is what they
didn't like about Luke in the newer ones that he
is a burnt cinnamon roll, and Luke is also specifically
for him. He's also interchangeably called son, sign child or
puppy in a poncho, which are very related.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, it's one very specific scene. I have that pancho now,
Yes I know, and yes, I love this so much
that Samantha, she made me a wonderful She got a
wonderful mug made for me that has Luke on it
and a cinnamon roll that says precious cinnamon roll, too good,
too pure for this world.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I love it. I'm drinking out of it right now.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I was so excited when I found a person who
could do that for me on the perfect mug with
a perfect like this is why I love Etsy again,
not sponsored find people who are local and can do
these crafts.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
For you, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I still love to think whoever this person was who
wonders about it, what is the cinnamon roll or either
knew it and was like, ah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I feel like and it was so she Her response
seemed to be like, I know exactly what you want.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Like it, and it's exactly what I wanted.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So I have a feeling she knew, like, I'm going
to give a credit to that because there was no question.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I love it, I hope, so I absolutely adore the
I have a homemade coaster for cinnamon roll and a
shirt that says cinnamon rolls, not gender roles.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So I love it. I will put out there if
you're interested.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I would love if anyone was interested in wanting to
google more about this afterwards. I'd be surprised. But there
is a sex slang term sinmon roll too. It's actually,
you know, maybe Google knows me too well, but it's not.
It was not on like the first page even I
don't think. Yeah, but just to put.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
That out there now, I'm gonna wonder what that is.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh, don't look at it, okay, I can explain to
you later if you would like. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That says a lot, so I'm good.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So this term is believed to have originated from an
Onion article about how cinnamon rolls the food were too
good for this world, like we didn't deserve cinnamon rolls,
and some words and phrases associated with a cinnamon role.
I wanted to go through a list. I did this
last night because I actually wrote this outline a long
time ago, and I kept thinking of things so kind, sweet, genuine, earnest.
(11:13):
Did I say kind, because that's a big one. Always
putting others first, self sacrificing, friendly, affectionate, compassionate, brave, standing
up for their beliefs, loyal, open, vulnerable, honest, good, pure, innocent,
a damn sweetheart right, breuscious, gentle, soft sunshine. They like
really see you, you know, and they're so open and
(11:34):
giving with their hearts and they're usually pretty forgiving. Okay,
but yes, what does this have to do with feminism
and women's issues? So this is my theory and it
is very personal to me. I don't think this is
why everyone likes or write cinnamon rolls of people who do,
but it is what resonates with me. And just a reminder,
unfortunately women and other marginalized groups, do you experience trauma
(11:56):
and PTSD at higher rates? And also they're the ones
most fan fiction, so I'm sure people are like, wait,
what we're talking about PTSD? Yeah, So the idea of
being so good and so pure that you make others better,
and this is a rhetoric we've heard particularly against women,
like used against women making men better in that hetero sense.
(12:19):
Sineminerals are also very genuine in their emotions and instead
of being judged for it, they're loved for it. And
that's nice to think, especially if you have been through
a trauma, that being open with yourself and your emotions
wouldn't drive people away, but instead it is a lovable
Trait is something people love about you, something that makes
you special.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's a nice idea.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And then being so innocent that all the harm that
comes to you is not your fault, which is particularly
powerful when you've gone through a trauma and you're looking
for all these reasons, examining all these things of how
it was your fault, you're victim, blaming yourself, And just
that term innocent it is really loaded.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And here I'm not talking.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I feel like that often is used in a sexual
sense of like importunity.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It doesn't mean that.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And this question of like can you still be innocent
and quotes after a trauma, And for me that was
a very important thing. I wanted to believe that even
after everything I've been through, I could be normal and
heavy quotes and happy and sweet. And also there's for
me personally, again, there's a level of not understanding the
(13:31):
world around you, especially the romance aspect and bad evil
things and just kind of not so great things and
bringing out those protective instincts and others because it without
you don't have to ask, and that is comforting because
for again, I have a really hard time asking for help,
(13:53):
and so the idea that someone could just help me,
that they can see that I need help and they
will and I don't have to ask, is.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Really comforting for me.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And this trope does almost always involve someone being comforted
and assured that you did nothing wrong and people just
being really protective of you. And this is tricky because
for me, I had these traumas at four hundive points
in my life and this protection protection at all king
met I price. So it's extremely powerful for me to
(14:24):
think that someone would protect me because they want to
because they like me, and not because they want something
from you. Which I know you can protect someone because
you like them and you love them and also want
something from them, but that is really hard for me
to accept. That's something I'm actually working on because of
what I went through. Yeah, semon rolls themselves are generally
(14:47):
always putting others first and never thinking of themselves and
that necessitates this protective instinct in others, even when it
comes to making sure they eat or sleep, which is
something I.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Can really relate to.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And I will say some people really don't like this trope.
They think that it's unrealistic, which no one's saying. It's
not a kind of goody two shoes territory. And that's
where you see the opposite of this, as in Loop
becomes an evil. Sith Board are kind of similarly Harry
Potter is in Slytherin. This is really cunning. I would
argue for some this is also a reaction to trauma.
(15:19):
Those things and they just coped in a different way
than I did, And that's not bad or wrong. It's
just how, as we said, people cope in different ways.
But TLDR, I love ceminon rolls, not a food. Yes,
the food is okay, but the trope is my favorite,
(15:41):
even though I know they are unrealistic. And I would
never want to put these restrictions on trauma on anyone
or how you should handle trauma. But it's nice for
me to read and write about I'm jokingly said, I'm
seminal sexual.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I could see that.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I will say this was probably
the first things you told me about in fan fiction
world as I'm learning of such things. But yeah, I
think it's definitely a conversation about trauma as well. And
when we talk about Hey Potter specifically, I come from
like a social work perspective of like, no real kid
(16:18):
would be this okay and this good and this reality.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
But that's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
People react differently, and some do fight against the evil,
and some Jews have come to their own traumas. And
then when I say SubCom that means like whether it's
exploring yourself and finding yourself however necessary.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
So yeah, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
But yeah, cinnamon rolls sounds really nice and does make
me want to eat a cinnamon roll.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It can be accomplished.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
There's a part of me that's like, I wonder if
I could convince Samantha to read one of these fan
fictions so she knows what I'm talking about that I didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I feel like I know you talk a lot about it,
so I feel like I've read some things, like even
without reading things, that's.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Okay, thank you well.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And I also want to say if I wasn't clear
I'm sure plenty of people read this and like it
because there is that dichotomy of like super sweet Luke
Skywalker and then you're like gruff on Solo, and that's
just some people just enjoy that, like contrasting characters, and
(17:25):
they're not reading it because it's like trauma interpretation. But
that's just for me. I think that's one of the
reasons that it really resonates. And I do think that
probably for other trauma people who've experienced trauma, that might
be something similar, but I could be absolutely wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I'd love to hear from any listeners of your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I think a lot of any kind of like fan
fiction or when we talk about writing or needing something
cathartic and when you connect with a character so deeply
you see it part of yourself into that character, or
whether it's the environment and too I wanted to go
the way.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
You hope for or you are fearful of. That's therapeutic.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah, it is, and I know I've talked about
it before, but it has been very therapeutic for me.
And if you want the mineral fan fake recommendations, I
have a million of them. I have a lot they're
almost all original trilogy Star Wars because that is what
I mostly read right now, and Luke is the main
character I've seen with that label. As I said, the
most Cinnamon role of the Cinnamon Rolls I've read is
(18:26):
a ten part twin swap fic being Luke and La
switch places called How the Other Half Lives by Arcadian Knights,
and I adore it. It's a series, so yes, ten
parts is a lot. Also, what's coming to an end?
And I'm very very sad you told me this. Yes,
and the author I wonder if they would agree about
the cinnamon role label, but I think so. But yes,
(18:49):
I have many recommendations. I will totally shout out your
fan fiction if you send it to us, and I
will send any rex to you. I also have a
music playlist that's Inmonroal themed and it's very sad. So
if you have any fan fiction you want to highlight,
or if you're looking for suggestions, you can email us
(19:10):
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You can find us on Instagram at Stuff I've Never
Told You, are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
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Speaker 4 (19:19):
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Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to Stuff I've Never told you Production by Heart Radio,
and today we are bringing back one of our very
early halfy hours, the second one I ever did, which
(00:27):
was about one of my very favorite tropes, the cinnamon roll.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Oh my goodness, that's been on your head for so
like that's been on your mind?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, yes, long it has.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And I have to say, since this came out, I
have started publishing fan fiction and I've just discovered all
of the various terms people used to refer to this.
I do talk about it in here. Samantha helped me
do the early part of that because I was too
scared to learn.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I was like, oh, no, one just.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And this is a naive atay, and it's kind of
faded away. Now you're telling me things. I'm like, oh,
I don't like this.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I got a friend that has far surpassed me in
the fan fiction world, and she is constantly telling me
about some Star Wars story that I'm like, how do
you know about this?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And I don't. That's funny. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But anyway, a lot of these as fan fiction has
gone more mainstream, a lot of these tropes and terms
have gone more mainstream, and as I discussed recently in
a Happy Hour, I saw what I believe was a
misuse of cinnamon.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Roll in an article.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I disagree with how they described it. I don't disagree
with some of their points, but I disagree how they
described it. And this was when I was asking you
about True Blood, and I had just had so many
questions because I did watch that show, but I couldn't
remember it very well, right and Blood, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
And I can't imagine there's anybody on that show that's
a cinnamon roll.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I can't remember it well enough, but I do.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I I personally think because they were talking about the
bad boy vampire having a spell on him and being good,
which true, I don't think that counts as a cinnamon
role because the cinmon role only works if it's genuine.
If it's not genuine, it doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So he kills somebody in his innocent stage.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh no, I mean, you can't explain that a way
depending But I just because it was a spell, it
doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It has to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And I'm pointing to our heart, y'all, just so you know,
she's pointing to our Heart.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yes, well, please enjoy this classic episode.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to stepman.
Never told you protection Heart Radio.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So it is time for another Happy Hour once again
by happy coincidence, is actually Thursday.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yes, so happy Thursday, everyone.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Happy Thursday.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We wanted to invite you to get a drink or
a snack or just do something to relax with us
for a little bit, as we love to share these
hopefully spaces in perhaps a stressful time or day for
you to take that moment whatever that means to you.
Please join us because I'm actually I'm so excited, and
(03:41):
Samantha can see, but I'm like smiling because I'm so
excited to talk about this. What I chose for this
Happy Hour topic which is my favorite fan fiction term
that I only discovered within the past year, I think, which.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Is cinnamon roll.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yes, yes, And so before we get into what that is,
and I swear this is related to feminism and women,
I promise, I promise, I promise.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Samantha knows that I love this very very much.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And as part of our watching Star Wars cocktail thing
that we've done where we've created a bunch of cocktails
for the original trilogy, Samantha, you created one called the
Cinnamon Roll.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Actually it's Annie's Cinnamon Roll. Oh, remember it was very
very specific. Did we name your segment because it's specific
to your nerd loves?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, the working title is Annie's Nerd Corner. But as
I said, I'm still workshopping.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I was just trying to say if you've came up
with a new one or an actual lasting term.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
But yeah, I did create something for our very beginning.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Watchings, and because it is cinnamon roll, and I for
the longest time really thought you meant cinnamon roll, and
every time we talk about it, I crave cinnamon rolls,
and I'm very upset right now that I don't have
one in my face.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But it's okay.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I did decide that I was going to do a
cocktail specifically for you, because I have this love of
coffee and hot chocolate mix together. Of course, this is amocha,
I know. Don't don't at me. People, I know, but
we're not fancy like that. So I had to create
my own, which ended up being a dark coffee with
a scoop of your favorite hot chocolate.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Mine is a double dark chocolate.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh yeah, a little dash of cinnamon obviously, because for
the cinnamon roll part. Some type of dairy or non
dairy ish creamer if you want. If you want to
make it alcoholic cool, do your Bailey's. If not, go
for your favorite creamer. I also have my sweet cream
Chibboni creamer.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I really do like that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
None of these things are sponsored in the way sponsorship.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then you of course mix it up, stir together,
and then at the top, if you also want to
do a dash of whiskey, you know, for any I
do this for her specific you know, cinnamon roll, and
then we do a swirl of whipped cream because I
love some whipped cream with another dash of cinnamon top
of it. And that is your any cinnamon roll and.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I love it. Samantha. You nailed it. And that is
what we're sipping on right now.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I'm sipping on kind of a modified version because I
don't have all those ingredients. And I'll tell you as
I told Samantha, I'm a two coffee before noon gal.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I'm a two cup gal.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's now like three here and I've had four coffees,
so I feel like I am flying high right now.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yes, your jitteriness and happiness of caffeine is quite obvious.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Thank you, And I did want to mention one time, Like,
way back when I was I often talked to Samantha,
who was very kind to let me indulge.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
In my fandom.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I often talked about cinnamon roll and sometimes I'll just say, like,
my sweet cinnamon roll randomly. One time, you did get
cinnamon rolls the food so we could enjoy cinnamon.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Rolls one bite and then I ate the rust, but
it was okay. I was still okay with it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yes, yes, so that is what we are sipping on.
But let's talk about the fan fiction term. So it
means someone who is too pure, too sweet, too innocent
for this world or galaxy, and usually suffers for it.
Almost always, in my fan fiction realm, it is almost
exclusively used to refer to Luke Skywalker from the original
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Star Wars series. I've never seen it apply to anyone else,
but my fan fiction realm is pretty narrow, so like,
I can't say for sure, but he like I imagine
if this was a Dictionary entry, his picture would be
next to it. And it's my absolute favorite thing when
I read it. And as you know, samanth I was
scared to google what it meant. When I found out
(07:45):
the definition, I was like, oh my god, this is
exactly the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
This is what I love, and I love that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It has a term, yes, and it also describes what
I Yeah, what I write there is also I want
to put in here cinnamon roll with an S.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah. We went through a whole deep dive of these
different versions of cinnamon rolls.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yes, you you helped me do it because I was
afraid to google it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And that describes someone who appears to be super innocent
but is actually the opposite, or maybe better put like,
they appear to be a cinnamon roll with the sea,
but they're not. And then there's burnt Sinemon role, who
is somebody who was a cinnamon roll but thanks to
some trauma, is no longer a cinnamon eral. They are burnt,
(08:30):
and some people I could see the argument that Luke
and the Last Jedi is a burnt Centamon role.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Maybe in the newer ones Yon roll right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I think so. I can see that.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And that's actually funnily enough, even though I would imagine
most people don't know this term. That is what they
didn't like about Luke in the newer ones that he
is a burnt cinnamon roll, and Luke is also specifically
for him. He's also interchangeably called son, sign child or
puppy in a poncho, which are very related.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, it's one very specific scene. I have that pancho now,
Yes I know, and yes, I love this so much
that Samantha, she made me a wonderful She got a
wonderful mug made for me that has Luke on it
and a cinnamon roll that says precious cinnamon roll, too good,
too pure for this world.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I love it. I'm drinking out of it right now.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I was so excited when I found a person who
could do that for me on the perfect mug with
a perfect like this is why I love Etsy again,
not sponsored find people who are local and can do
these crafts.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
For you, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I still love to think whoever this person was who
wonders about it, what is the cinnamon roll or either
knew it and was like, ah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I feel like and it was so she Her response
seemed to be like, I know exactly what you want.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Like it, and it's exactly what I wanted.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So I have a feeling she knew, like, I'm going
to give a credit to that because there was no question.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I love it, I hope, so I absolutely adore the
I have a homemade coaster for cinnamon roll and a
shirt that says cinnamon rolls, not gender roles.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So I love it. I will put out there if
you're interested.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I would love if anyone was interested in wanting to
google more about this afterwards. I'd be surprised. But there
is a sex slang term sinmon roll too. It's actually,
you know, maybe Google knows me too well, but it's not.
It was not on like the first page even I
don't think. Yeah, but just to put.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
That out there now, I'm gonna wonder what that is.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh, don't look at it, okay, I can explain to
you later if you would like. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That says a lot, so I'm good.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So this term is believed to have originated from an
Onion article about how cinnamon rolls the food were too
good for this world, like we didn't deserve cinnamon rolls,
and some words and phrases associated with a cinnamon role.
I wanted to go through a list. I did this
last night because I actually wrote this outline a long
time ago, and I kept thinking of things so kind, sweet, genuine, earnest.
(11:13):
Did I say kind, because that's a big one. Always
putting others first, self sacrificing, friendly, affectionate, compassionate, brave, standing
up for their beliefs, loyal, open, vulnerable, honest, good, pure, innocent,
a damn sweetheart right, breuscious, gentle, soft sunshine. They like
really see you, you know, and they're so open and
(11:34):
giving with their hearts and they're usually pretty forgiving. Okay,
but yes, what does this have to do with feminism
and women's issues? So this is my theory and it
is very personal to me. I don't think this is
why everyone likes or write cinnamon rolls of people who do,
but it is what resonates with me. And just a reminder,
unfortunately women and other marginalized groups, do you experience trauma
(11:56):
and PTSD at higher rates? And also they're the ones
most fan fiction, so I'm sure people are like, wait,
what we're talking about PTSD? Yeah, So the idea of
being so good and so pure that you make others better,
and this is a rhetoric we've heard particularly against women,
like used against women making men better in that hetero sense.
(12:19):
Sineminerals are also very genuine in their emotions and instead
of being judged for it, they're loved for it. And
that's nice to think, especially if you have been through
a trauma, that being open with yourself and your emotions
wouldn't drive people away, but instead it is a lovable
Trait is something people love about you, something that makes
you special.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's a nice idea.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And then being so innocent that all the harm that
comes to you is not your fault, which is particularly
powerful when you've gone through a trauma and you're looking
for all these reasons, examining all these things of how
it was your fault, you're victim, blaming yourself, And just
that term innocent it is really loaded.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And here I'm not talking.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I feel like that often is used in a sexual
sense of like importunity.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It doesn't mean that.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And this question of like can you still be innocent
and quotes after a trauma, And for me that was
a very important thing. I wanted to believe that even
after everything I've been through, I could be normal and
heavy quotes and happy and sweet. And also there's for
me personally, again, there's a level of not understanding the
(13:31):
world around you, especially the romance aspect and bad evil
things and just kind of not so great things and
bringing out those protective instincts and others because it without
you don't have to ask, and that is comforting because
for again, I have a really hard time asking for help,
(13:53):
and so the idea that someone could just help me,
that they can see that I need help and they
will and I don't have to ask, is.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Really comforting for me.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And this trope does almost always involve someone being comforted
and assured that you did nothing wrong and people just
being really protective of you. And this is tricky because
for me, I had these traumas at four hundive points
in my life and this protection protection at all king
met I price. So it's extremely powerful for me to
(14:24):
think that someone would protect me because they want to
because they like me, and not because they want something
from you. Which I know you can protect someone because
you like them and you love them and also want
something from them, but that is really hard for me
to accept. That's something I'm actually working on because of
what I went through. Yeah, semon rolls themselves are generally
(14:47):
always putting others first and never thinking of themselves and
that necessitates this protective instinct in others, even when it
comes to making sure they eat or sleep, which is
something I.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Can really relate to.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And I will say some people really don't like this trope.
They think that it's unrealistic, which no one's saying. It's
not a kind of goody two shoes territory. And that's
where you see the opposite of this, as in Loop
becomes an evil. Sith Board are kind of similarly Harry
Potter is in Slytherin. This is really cunning. I would
argue for some this is also a reaction to trauma.
(15:19):
Those things and they just coped in a different way
than I did, And that's not bad or wrong. It's
just how, as we said, people cope in different ways.
But TLDR, I love ceminon rolls, not a food. Yes,
the food is okay, but the trope is my favorite,
(15:41):
even though I know they are unrealistic. And I would
never want to put these restrictions on trauma on anyone
or how you should handle trauma. But it's nice for
me to read and write about I'm jokingly said, I'm
seminal sexual.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I could see that.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I will say this was probably
the first things you told me about in fan fiction
world as I'm learning of such things. But yeah, I
think it's definitely a conversation about trauma as well. And
when we talk about Hey Potter specifically, I come from
like a social work perspective of like, no real kid
(16:18):
would be this okay and this good and this reality.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
But that's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
People react differently, and some do fight against the evil,
and some Jews have come to their own traumas. And
then when I say SubCom that means like whether it's
exploring yourself and finding yourself however necessary.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
So yeah, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
But yeah, cinnamon rolls sounds really nice and does make
me want to eat a cinnamon roll.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It can be accomplished.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
There's a part of me that's like, I wonder if
I could convince Samantha to read one of these fan
fictions so she knows what I'm talking about that I didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I feel like I know you talk a lot about it,
so I feel like I've read some things, like even
without reading things, that's.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Okay, thank you well.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And I also want to say if I wasn't clear
I'm sure plenty of people read this and like it
because there is that dichotomy of like super sweet Luke
Skywalker and then you're like gruff on Solo, and that's
just some people just enjoy that, like contrasting characters, and
(17:25):
they're not reading it because it's like trauma interpretation. But
that's just for me. I think that's one of the
reasons that it really resonates. And I do think that
probably for other trauma people who've experienced trauma, that might
be something similar, but I could be absolutely wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I'd love to hear from any listeners of your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I think a lot of any kind of like fan
fiction or when we talk about writing or needing something
cathartic and when you connect with a character so deeply
you see it part of yourself into that character, or
whether it's the environment and too I wanted to go
the way.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
You hope for or you are fearful of. That's therapeutic.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah, it is, and I know I've talked about
it before, but it has been very therapeutic for me.
And if you want the mineral fan fake recommendations, I
have a million of them. I have a lot they're
almost all original trilogy Star Wars because that is what
I mostly read right now, and Luke is the main
character I've seen with that label. As I said, the
most Cinnamon role of the Cinnamon Rolls I've read is
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a ten part twin swap fic being Luke and La
switch places called How the Other Half Lives by Arcadian Knights,
and I adore it. It's a series, so yes, ten
parts is a lot. Also, what's coming to an end?
And I'm very very sad you told me this. Yes,
and the author I wonder if they would agree about
the cinnamon role label, but I think so. But yes,
(18:49):
I have many recommendations. I will totally shout out your
fan fiction if you send it to us, and I
will send any rex to you. I also have a
music playlist that's Inmonroal themed and it's very sad. So
if you have any fan fiction you want to highlight,
or if you're looking for suggestions, you can email us
(19:10):
our email Stuff Media mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.
You can find us on Instagram at Stuff I've Never
Told You, are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Thanks as always to our super producer Christina.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Thank you Christina, and.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Thanks to you for listening stuff I've never told you.
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