November 11, 2023 • 47 mins
What's your favorite scary movie? It's a question that has been haunting the characters of Scream since the beginning. We go over the plot, the themes, and the absence of Sidney Prescott.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stefan
Never Told You production of iHeartRadio and Yes, your eyes
Ears don't deceive you. It is a Saturday New Saturday
episode because we are doing a spoil Saturdays. It's been
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a minute since we've done one.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It has been, it has been.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We have so many ideas for them, but it's yeah,
but we do have so many ideas for them. But
as I hinted at in our recent classic about Scream
five that we brought back today, we are talking about
Scream six now in New York. I say, heavy horror
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movie franchise has to have the New York movie. They're
usually pretty, but this is a pretty good movie. So yes,
there will be spoilers for that because it came out
in twenty twenty three, early twenty twenty three. I have
a fun I saw it in theaters. I took a
picture next to a huge ghost space. That's when Samantha
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sent me the creepy voicemail. Yes, and I have one
of those cups. It has ghost face on it and
then it has like a little ghost face figurine. So
every time you take a sip there it is I
as I mentioned I had a really good time rewatching this.
I thought I was nervous, because, like I said, I
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have this thing where I get nervous about engaging with
things I really like sometimes, and I think there's a
lot of reasons for that. But I had a really
fun time rewatching this. I rewatched it twice for this.
It's great. You can see our past episodes on screen five.
We did a whole episode on that one Scream Queens,
where it was kind of a trojan oors for me
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to talk about Sidney Prescott. And then the recent episode
we did with Bridget about Scream and technology, which is
kind of what inspired this, and then the episode I
did with Lauren back when I was sort of co hostless.
Co hostlessness, that's not.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Right without a co host. Without a co host, you
could just say you were missing me.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I was missing I was waiting for Samantha, but yeah,
why didn't you believe her? Where we did play a
clip from Scream Too that I love so content warning,
we are going to talk about violence and murder. These
are slasher films, so that's what we're going to be
discussing a bit. I did find it funny that Amazon
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lists this movie as erotic. That was one of the
like three genres that put it in. I was like,
what awesome If you haven't listen to the one in
Screen five. Look, I know I make everything about Star Wars,
but the creators and even some of the actors were
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very clear that Scream five was about the fan backlash
to the Last Jedi and this one is a continuation
of that movie. And I was rewatching it and they
mentioned the Holidays specials. There's the part where the killer
from the last one, Richie, is on a screen and
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he's just talking about like the stab movies, which are
kind of the meta version of the screen movies within
the screen movies, and he's like, well, I didn't see
the Holiday special I heard how bad it was and
all this stuff, and I was like, ah, but it
was a good awe. I'm very excited. I'm very excited.
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I'm trying to keep a cool, cool head.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's trying.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Okay, okay, wow, let's talk about the plot. Stream six
is a twenty twenty three American slasher movie directed by
Matt Bettinelli, Olpen and Tyler Gillette or Chillette, written by
James Vanderbilt and Guy Busick, that picks up. Yeah, we're
screen five left off. I think it's a year later.
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It stars Melissa Barrera, Jenna Ortega, Jasmine Savoy Brown, Mason Goodding,
a return from Hayden Pantier, as hinted at in the
Fifth One, Curtin Cox, with cameos by Samara Weaving and
Anthony Revelaurie. But there was somebody else that you told me.
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You were like, oh, he's a boomer. Now, I can't
believe it. Who was that?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Samantha Dermitt Maroni I was talking about the fact that which,
by the way, I can't believe you didn't put him
on the list. What the hell, He's one of the
nain people in here. What are you doing so many things?
I'm very confused. But yeah, he was like a heart throb,
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I guess at my young age. So he played in
many of different movies as the main male lead, and
he was the like the first time I ever saw
him was in Julia Roberts my best friend's wedding, which
is huge, uh, And he was very iconic in my
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best friend's wedding, and so growing up, he was just
that dude that you were like, oh, yeah, he's he's
very like.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Good looking but normal good looking.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
He's kind of what I would imagine what we call
dadbod type of conversation where he's not beyond handsome. He's
not like Brad Pitt level of looks, but he's still
endearing and he becomes the male lead because of that level.
So to see him in this character was quite interesting.
To see him as the father character. So the boomer
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older character hurt my feelings. Oh, there's a lot that
has hurt my feelings as of late. Please y'all miss
this entire conversation we had with as a staff meeting.
So executive producer Maya was on and she was referring
to a lot of the movies, specifically this and how
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it was when she was really young, and I was like,
remember Gonna Sit in their Corner. That was a few
things that was said, and I was like, I think
you're purposely trying to hurt my feelings, and I feel
like in this movie was similar to that. But to
be fair, Maroney was is like sixty, I think, so
it's not beyond the realm, and I think my best friends,
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I guess Julia Roberts is around that age. But because
when you're that young. Those people are the standard of
who you want to be, Like, that's who glamorous and
sexy and like, oh my goodness was so to see
him in this role was a real big flip.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's interesting. I was thinking about this the other day
because I always love when an actor gets cast kind
of against type and then you as the viewer, is
used to seeing that person, especially in like a who
Done It type of way. Yeah, so you're like not
suspecting them because you're used to them in like this
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other type of role. I don't know, I think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think he's recently become more of like a nice
dad role. Oh okay, anyway, I think that's the more
and more I seen him. But again, this was an
interesting twist.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was it was we will talk about that. So
this movie, it did make a lot of money. It
was very well received. They have of course, already greenlit
a sequel, and yeah, it begins one year after the
previous film, and that In that movie, Richie Kirsh and
Amber Freeman were the killers, and they terrorized and murdered
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people in the town of Woodsborough, which is where it
all kind of started, and a lot of them take place,
but they namely were after his sisters, Tara and Sam Carpenter,
and yes, their last name is Carpenter. So the new
ones aka starting with five are like I would say
that they're kind of like their own thing, like they're
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restarting without ignoring the old ones at all. But if
the first one of this kind of like new reboot,
new requel, the fifth one mirrors the first scream, this
one mirror is the second scream. This is the college one.
You go off to college, because that's what happens. Tara
goes off to college, and Sam and the whole crew
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follows her there. But every screen movie opens with kind
of a random kill, or it seems a random kill
at the time, and the lady you find out it
wasn't random, but okay, So it opens with associate Professor
Laura Crane, who specializes in horror and especially in slasher
And she's at a bar and she's waiting for her date,
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a date she met online, and he's late. He calls
and lures her down a dark alley, claiming he's lost
and he's looking for her, and he murders her in
a ghost face outfit. And you know me as Vier
watching this, I'm like, whoa the killer already?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Right immediately, which, by the way, the woman that plays
a character is the main evil character from The Babysitter.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yes, in the Netflix trilogy.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
She's also often confused with Margaret Robbie, and she's in Uh.
These creators also did a movie called Already or Not
Oh yeah, ready, the wedding movie there's too nu. Yes,
not that there's two movies, the Hide and Seek and
Ready or Not different, very different, but yeah, she is
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in that anyway. Yeah, he murders her. It's revealed the
killer is a student of hers, and that he was
planning on killing the survivors of the Woodsboro like see
killings as they're called Samon Tara specifically. However, he gets
a call from another goho's face who pretty quickly kills him,
exclaiming who gives a about movies?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And he's the beginning of it is very much like
don't blame the movies for death and essentially what y'all
you and uh talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But it was immediately like, oh, this is which they
said very clearly, the creators of this, but like, this
is a different killer because normally he's like what's your
favorite scary mood? Like all that stuff. He was right
out the gate or she are? They? Like, who gives
up about scary movies? And there was a pretty graphic
scene where he opens the fridge and his roommate Greg,
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I think was like cutting the pieces in the fridge
a co killer. We don't even him, No, he's just pieces.
And I did think about this because we're hopefully going
to bring Bridget back, because we did have so much
to say about Scream. But I was thinking about this
that I think when I said, like, phone calls really
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freaked me out. I think there's a lot of reasons
why I'm not alone in that, But I wonder if
Scream has contributed in some.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Way to right but on the call, yeah, oh you
know the whole like they're inside your house, which is
an urban legend.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, that's true, that's true. I would love to talk
about that. I did on my rewatch because you were
recently talking about the trip you checked to New York
for your birthday and you complained that like the restaurants
didn't have the sign up front, you couldn't find it,
and the at the beginning, the same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I was very was like, oh, I was Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
In New York City, the new posh Italian restaurant that
we went to that we loved and had the amazing
food was down an alley, literally by an alley in
like side streets where we had to go where we
passed many restaurants, there was no side said there was
a design, except it was for a different name. I
was like, that is not the name. And there was
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no mention of the actual place that we reserved, like
we went and reserved the table or at the bar
sitting next to the pasta station, as was recommended by TikTok,
and like the name of the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Was not on there. It was a completely different name.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
And I had to be like, what the And on
Google it doesn't tell you that it's a different restaurant either,
And I'm like, why did you do this?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Why would you do this to us? Who? Who? Who
thinks this is a smart marketing?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I mean it was packed, so I don't one cared,
I guess, but I was like, this is not smart.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
It was all ghost space. It was ghost space.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I hadn't been when my partner one of those would
have gotten murdered by ghost face. Now I said, that's
you know, that's the lesson.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It did make me laugh though, because I think maybe
if you haven't been to New York aren't familiar with that,
you know, this opening scene, you'd be as people love
to do. And I understand it, but you're like, why
would she do this? Why would she do that? I
do think that, But she does have that comment about
the the not they're not being a sign and all
that stuff, and he kind of uses that to lure
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her out. He's like, you can't find there's no sign.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Which is like, you stand in front of him. That's
a don't go anywhere. Other lessons. Stay with the peoples,
staying with the people. Yep, all right, but yes. Tara
and Sam now all live in New York, along with
fellow survivors from the last movie, Mindy and Chad, who
are related to Randy, who was the like movie guy
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who knew all the rules from the first three. Tara
is attending the same university where the murdered professor taught, where.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
The killer student went to. In fact, they had to
run in in the beginning, and it's chafing at the
overprotectiveness of her sister, who moved to New York to
keep an eye on Tara. Tara basically wants to have
a quote regular college experience, and Sam is like, no,
I'm going to taste this guy. We are also introduced
to roommate Quinn, Chad's roommate Ethan Mindy's girlfriend Anika, Quinn's father,
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Detective Bailey, this Dermott guy, Sam's boyfriend from across the
away of the apartment's Danny, and Sam's therapist, doctor Christopher Stone,
who she mostly talks about Tara with. So these are
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your suspects, these are your victims. Because of an online
conspiracy theory that Sam masterminded all of the Woodsboro Legacy murderers,
Sam is outcast and regarded with suspicion. When she goes out,
Detective Bailey brings her in for questioning after her id
was found the murder of the student, along with the
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ghost Face mask warned by Richie and Amber. However, as
they're making their way to the police station, Sam gets
a call from Richie's phone from ghost Face and she
and attacked at a bodega where ghost Face kills several
people with a gun. This is notable. We're going to
talk about this because ghost Face has never not used
a knife ever.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's well, yeah, it's odd.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yes. The killer leaves another mask at the scene, this
one from the twenty eleven words Boro Murders, which is
Scream four. Once they get to the station, we're introduced
to Kirby Reid, who is the horror movie scholar from
the fourth one, who was presumed dead from these twenty
eleven killings but now works, so they have to be FBI.
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I know I made you watch it in the fifth one,
if you like, pause it at the right moment on
the side of the YouTube page you can see survivor
Kirby talks about the horrors of this whole thing. So
you well, the fifth one was like, she's alive, but
in the fourth one I definitely thought she was dead
for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So it ends like she does she's dead.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh absolutely, Okay, absolutely. I actually can't wait to talk
about that because it's got a real like douchebag you
didn't see how good I was earlier, Now I'm going
to kill you vibe. So yeah, we'll talk about that later.
So guess who else is there? Gail Weathers Border Gail Weathers, who,
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despite her promise at the end of the fifth one
after Dewey Riley was murdered, who is her on and
off again love interest, and her best friend wrote a
book about the Legacy killings, which infuriated Sam and Tara.
This is one of the things Bridget and I joked about,
is I love about Gail Weathers. At the end of
every movie, she's like, that's it, I'm done. Never again.
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In the beginning of the next she's like, I did
it again.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
She gets punched. That's the kind of a running joke.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, she gets punched, and yeah, by the way, Sam
is the daughter of killer Billy Loomis from the first movie,
so she was writing a little bit about that. Gail
informs them that in order to keep her family safe,
Sydney has gone into hiding, and we will talk about
that more. In the end, Sam's therapist is murdered by
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ghost Face and the murderer steals her file while weaving
the ghost Face mass from the Hollywood Killings Scream three.
This brings us to the laying out of the rules
scene which they have in every movie, where Mendy explains
that they are in a franchise and one of the
big rules is anyone can die and the franchise can
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go on Luke Skywalker Rip, Dewey Riley Rip. But it's
kind of funny because Scream three already made this point
when it was like you're in a trilogy. But anyway, right,
there's survivors of the Legacy killing sort of form a
pact to stick together and have a lighthearted moment where
they tease Sam about her boyfriend Danny across the lay. Meanwhile,
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said boyfriend sees their roommate to Quinn get attacked by
ghost Face from his window, tries to get their attention,
and then ghost Face attacks the rest of the group,
eventually killing and leaving behind a mass from the Windsor
College killing Scream too, so it's counting down. Also, there's
a very scary scene of crossing an alley via a
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ladder suspended horizontally between two windows. Freaky. That is very reminiscent.
The scene is Scream two where they're stuck in the car,
the police car, and they have to like crawl out
the front over ghost Face. No No. Gail tries to
make amends with the group by bringing them into her investigation.
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She takes them to a theater that she found that
contains a shrine set up for ghost Face, full of
evidence now displayed as if it was like a movie
prop museum, like if you were to go to a
scream exhibit. It feels like that. The group splits up,
very unsettled. Gail gets a call from gross Face at
her apartment. This is sort of when they're like trying
to set a trap for ghost Face and then they
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realize they're gone for Gail, and ghost Face kills Gail's
boyfriend mocks her previous boyfriend, Dewey, before stabbing her and
realizing the danger. Gala is in Sam and Tara arrived
just in time to save her life. She is taken
to the hospital. They decide to meet up with Kirby
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at the theater at her request in order to trap
the killer. On the way there, they board a train
filled with people just as ghost Face. Because this takes
place at Halloween.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
On different faces. You had Mike Myers in there, yea
different killers. Oh yeah, I wondered if they got permission
for that.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh they must have.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
They must have, right, Like that must have cost some
money though.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It was a creepy scene, and one of them stabs Mindy,
who like missed the first train was on a separate train.
When they get to the theater, Sam is confronted with
the hallucination of her father, Billy Limis, which was the
thing that happened a lot in the fifth one, and
he's basically like, if you want to save your sister,
you need to embrace your inner murderer, Like, we really gotta,
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we gotta get a move on on this. Sam then
realizes they are locked in the theater. All of a sudden,
there are two ghost faces and they attack Chad. Both
Kirby and Detective Bailey, whose first name is Wayne, shows up.
They both show up that their guns are drawn. Wayne
claims that Kirby is the killer, that she never was
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sent here by the FBI, that she is obsessed and
mentally disturbed after what happened to her. But then he
shoots her and reveals he is a third ghost face,
which is a first in the franchise Three Killers. They
had to do it, and he's also the ghost face
in charge because the other two are his children roommates
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Quinn not Dead faked the whole thing, and Ethan, and
they both like made sure they get to live with
the people they wanted to kill, which is a tripe,
and we're going to talk about that and also guess what.
They're Richie's family and they want revenge his surprise, a
lot of surprises, that's true. I also talk about that
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yees to that end. They were the ones online spreading
conspiracies and disparaging Sam. They want to pin the blame
on her for all of the killings, basically exonerating Richie.
Sam and Tara fight back, and Tara kills Quinn stabs
Ethan while Sam puts on the ghostface mask from the
original Woodsboro killings, the one her father wore in the
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first Scream, and calls Wayne using the pookoder to taunt him,
which is something else that happens in the first Scream,
and then kills him. Ethan makes another attack, but Kirby
kills him with the TV that killed Stu Mocker in
the first one. Sam promises to let Tara be more independent.
Tara promises to go to therapy Mindy, Chad and Kirby
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are taken to the hospital. Sam stares at her father's
mask for a long moment before tossing it away and
following Tara and Danny, which, by the way, Danny has
a whole thing where he's like, you shouldn't trust me.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It's okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Because she says I've had a good run with boyfriends.
He's like, I get it, which we are going to
talk about too, but yeah, that's that's the plot that
does bring us to the themes. One of the big
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ones in this is definitely like sisterhood and overprotectiveness, or
I guess you could argue legitimate protectiveness.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Right, I don't think it's. None of this is overprotective,
especially if they're being like online harassed.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
That's a little different.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It is it is, And I think it's interesting that
it totally makes sense that Tara is like, no, I
want I want to have this whole college experience. I
want to be normal. But the fact is they did
go through this, and they are being harassed online, and
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Sam does have a real concern and trauma around that
and keeping her safe and keeping her alive, So it's
like it makes sense. And then you do have the
scene at the end where Sam's like holding Tara and
she's about to fall and the killers are coming from
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all the sides, and Tara's like, let me go, let
me go, I could do this, and Sam lets her go.
And Tara did. To her credit, she killed that one
person and then almost the other guy. I mean, it
feels weird to be like, yeah, you killed him, but
in a movie like this, that's the point. I do
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like in the beginning because Tara is drunk at a
college party, having college party and it's like, I want
to go with this guy, and I like that all
of her friends are like, no, you really shouldn't. Anna
becaus like, no, this guy is no good for you,
and that's when uh, Sam comes in. Days is soon. Yeah,
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She's like, I'm so sorry. I'm just gonna taste you
in the ball.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, gotta get it done.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah. But that it is a nice thread throughout that
they are friends. They call themselves the Core for jokingly
and then kind of seriously that they're a team. They
talk about being like a found family and surviving and
bonding through this like trauma and the Woodsboro Legacy. I
really appreciated the camaraderie between Mendy and Kirby Whore you're
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like horror movies aficionados. They have like a whole scene
where they're like quizzing each other, and I really like
that scene. But it is true that I would never
put myself on the same level as this, but protective
of my brothers, but especially my younger brother, especially when
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I was younger. I've kind of like east back, but
it is hard when you're like the line between and
why I doing too much? Like is this more for
me and less for them? Like all of those things.
So that made me think about about that. There's certainly
the theme of trauma in a lot of ways, a
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lot of ways, including the sisters in their relationship, but
also the ex boyfriend, which is a plot in the
second scream where Sydney has this sex boyfriend to this boyfriend,
but she keeps her boyfriend was the killer in the
first one, so she just has a understandable concern that
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maybe is the boyfriend and this one. And I feel
like even Dewey says, who he's a cop, and he's like,
you know, look at the boyfriend, and she has that conversation.
Sam has conversation with her boyfriends in this one because
her ex was the killer, one of the killers previously,
and he is just like, well, don't trust me until
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this is over. Let's figure this out. There's also that
we've talked about this a lot of times. But the
whole aspect on like mental health and horror, so like
having Sam go to a therapist, having the thing at
the end where Tara agrees to go to a therapist,
but also the killer like steals her file, Sam's file
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because they know they can manipulate Sam that way, but
also how people perceive Sam because it is seen as like, oh,
something must be wrong with her, She's probably the killer.
She's well, she's going to therapy, and this is what
the therapist is saying. But then then also on top
of that, there's the whole thing with Kirby, which I'm
glad they actually turned because at first I was like,
oh no, when they're like she's crazy, she's the killer,
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she's obsessedes, I was like, oh, but they kind of
like weaponized it because they knew people would believe it,
and then turned out it wasn't true. And I'm glad
that it turned out it wasn't true because we do
see that trope all of the time. So I really
liked that because that's what Scream does. That's what all
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these movies are about, is like taking a trope and
then being like, let's flip that. So yeah, a lot
of times it would be her, but it wasn't, and
I'm glad. And then just the kind of the there's
a through line throughout with Sydney and then now with
Sam of this idea like you're gonna crack, You're gonna
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crack and then kill people, And they're both kind of
consistently either gaslets or being told they're paranoid, even though
I would again argue have reasons of me paranoid. They
have PTSD and they're just gonna snap that all this
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trauma with your boyfriend it means you can't function. So
I feel like there's a constant thing with that of
the dismissing of their trauma or using it to be like, oh,
you're the killer. You're definitely like I mean, a lot
of our true crime shows like Snap to have titles
like that in there, like You're just gonna one day snap.
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And that was a big theory because that's never been
done so far, is that one of the main characters
that you're like onboard with turns out to be the killer.
But they do play with that this one and in
a couple of them, so you have like Sam becoming
the killer, like wearing the mask, using the voice again,
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I know. But we talked about this in the fifth
one where the whole Star Wars thing where Ray is
a Palpatine metaphor, which at the end of the fifth one,
she's like, Oh, you want to kill her, I'll give
you a killer. Sidney did the whole thing, but she
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didn't have She wasn't the whole Her father wasn't a killer,
her her parents weren't killers. But that kind of the
final girl of the victim as the victim versus a
final girl of the killer. So it's like Sydney is
kind of the first where she doesn't have this family
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thing looming over her. And then you've got Sam whose
father was the original killer, and so that's she's a
kind of different final girl. That's really interesting dichotomy. Yeah,
and then there's there's something to say about sort of
the the cycle of abuse here and the mass that
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her father wore when she puts that on. But again,
she does become the killer then, and she looks at
the mask and puts it away and chooses to go
forth with her her sister and her boyfriend. But it
is sort of suggestive of that idea that it's only
a matter of time before she becomes her father and
or it's just like hanging over her. And as you said,
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the blame the family trope is in here, but notably
there is no mother. It is everyone presumably but the mother, yes,
which I thought was interesting. It's also interesting to hear
Sam describe killing Richie because I feel like most of
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the time that would have been painted in these movies
specifically would have been painted as just self defense because
he was trying to kill her. He had killed a
lot of people. But because of who her father is,
it seems more like evidence like she's also a killer,
and that that whole idea of like come to the
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dark side, become a serial killer to save your sister. Again, look,
I can't help it. It's Star Wars everywhere. Another thing
I thought was interesting was the fact that the opening
scene when the professor is killed, the killer is kind
of like and you think, you know, horror like and
(31:23):
you think you came down the stark alley and you
did this, And we briefly talked about that in the
episode we did with Bridget. But it is interesting as
someone who does this, as someone who like I love
to dissect, but I think there is a whole thing
to be said about, like knowing the tropes but not
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knowing you're in a horror movie. I guess, like I
don't know. I just I'd like that they commented on
that though, that they commented on kind of the how
a lot of people are dissecting these horror movies, and
these movies lend themselves to that because there's so meta
about horror movies. Also, something that was on my mind
(32:08):
that we didn't get to talk about when Bridget was on,
but I would love to come back, because we were
sort of talking about like the media and how that
maybe inspires killers or make people more violent. Those conversations
we've all heard, and Bridget was making the point like
when these movies were coming out, news media, like all
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day news media was really becoming a thing, and they weren't.
They didn't receive the same rating like Y seven ORPG
or whatever it would be that media did, so that
they were kind of escaping the system while blaming the system,
but doing the thing. And I do think that's interesting
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because so many of these movies have copycat killers and
we've talked about, oh we haven't talked about but in
our media, in our society. We've talked about, like there
was a whole conversation of never saying a mass shooter's name,
or like never because it'll inspire other people, and that's
a bigger conversation than this. But I do think that's
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interesting that a lot of times it's not the movies,
it's the people or copycat killers that saw it on
the news. And then how often so many of these
killers and throughout these movies are killing over things, like
killing over grays. Because it's kind of implied that the
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professor in the beginning was in part killed because the
guy didn't get a good grade I'm s which is
real sad and awful. But then he's mad at her
because he's like, you didn't you don't listen to your
own you don't know the trope, so you're either you're
ignoring them to come down this alleyway, and he talks
(33:52):
about how she feels like an animal and like meat,
and then the real ghost face calls and it's like,
how does it feel before it kills him? And then
this whole idea that they had to finish when Shei's
filmed the killers in this movie but make it seem
like he was not the killer and or was not
(34:14):
to blame. Of course Gale. We talked about her, the
complex nature of her and her relationship with her friends
who are very much involved in a very like true
crime type case, and then her as someone who wants
to make money off the true crime type case. She
(34:37):
even has a quote it's all about true crime limited
series these days, which make me laugh. She does use
her book to fight off ghost Space, which I thought
was funny. Uh yeah, okay, and ghost Face makes a
comment of like, who do you think will make money
off of your death? There's also controlling the narrative, especially
(35:02):
with the detective who blames Sam for radicalizing his son
and his death because his son, Richie was very involved
in this. Dab Movies was not happy with the newest
Dab movie, wanted to make a storyline in real life
that they would make the next Stab movie off of.
And he's on Reddit boards and all this stuff. So
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not really her fault at all, but that's what the
detective said. But that was one of the things throughout it.
You're like, how are they getting this evidence? How are
they getting this evidence? The ghost face mask and he's
a detective and he had access to it, so he
could kind of control that. The trope of the roommate,
that is a huge horror movie trope, Oh the roommate,
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then they will always look out. The whole idea of
assassinating the character is a big topic in a lot
of these where they did purposely go online basically start
a campaign to say no, it was her, it was
Sam all along. Like I said earlier, this was supposed
to be it was. It was like this one's different,
(36:11):
the three murderers thing completely new. I'm still perplexed at
how he was going to explain his daughter was alive.
The detective the gun I think was supposed to be
kind of a hint that it was a cop. But
I don't know. Being not a fan of ghost Face,
I think in the very first scene, you're supposed to
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be like, Okay, this is not because a lot of
times it does turn out to be somebody who in
some way respects ghost Face. But this was not that
kind of leaning into the trope of the good cop
that he was like the good the good guy, and
he was gonna he really wanted to get to the
bottom of this because what happened to his daughter. Then
you get to see the evolution of the mask, all
of the different masks and how they get more and
(36:55):
more worn and torn and dirty. Interesting. So this brings
us to kind of the elephant in the room. Sidney
Prescott was not in it, and they did try to
(37:17):
explain it as like she's taking care of herself. She
deserves a happy ending, which I've talked about, Like I
do feel that. I'm like, stay away, Sydney, You've been
through enough. But the fact she's not in there, you're like,
oh wait, something's missing. But okay. Yes. This was the
first screen movie not to feature Nev Campbell Sidney Prescott
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and it was due to a pay disputes, and Campbell
said the offer was insulting. Here is a quote from Newsweek.
I felt the offer that was presented to me did
not equate to the value I brought to the franchise.
It's been a very difficult decision to move on. To
all my screen fans, I love you. You've always been
so incredibly supportive to me. I'm forever grateful to you
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and what this franchise has given me over the past
twenty five years. I honestly don't believe that if I
were a man and had done five installments of a
huge blockbuster franchise over twenty five years. That the number
that I was offered would be the number that would
be offered to a man. I'm not just done with
the chapter. I care about these movies. If they were
to come to me with an amount that felt in
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keeping with the value that I bring them, I would
certainly consider it. So that being said, like I mentioned previously,
there is discussion she'll be in the next one. It
is not confirmed at all. There is discussion, and I
did appreciate that a lot, well, I won't say a lot,
(38:45):
a couple at least. I didn't like go looking, but
I saw a couple of high profile cases of her
co stars supporting her. Matthew Lillard was very openly vocal
about his support of her and her getting more money,
which is nice because we know so often that is
not the case when things like this happen. So I
don't know, we'll see. Also, I wasn't convinced Gail was
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even going to come back. I thought she might die
and they'd kind of leave it open. I'm assuming she's
going to come back unless they don't pay her enough.
They left it open that she could have died at
the end. I was I like, looked it up afterwards.
I was like, Gail is still alive?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
That they said she's fine, Then they don't. They say
she's at the hospital, she's recovering.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
They say she's recovering. But I was like, they could
kill her. It could be like making sure. I don't
think they would.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
It would be really silly. At the very least, they
need to say she's in hiatus or hiding, like because
they might want to bring her back. Because this seems
to be a never ending thing. Yes, but isn't there
a rumor that Matthew Willer is going to be in there?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
There is a rumor he's going to be in there.
I am so perplexed by it. I mean, he seemed
it as a door dill, but.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I mean the TV.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
It could be either. It could be the thing like
with Billy Loomis. Though I feel like they can't hold
that trick too many times.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
You can't have too many like I mean, actually you
can if you keep doing the movie and focus on
one at a time. That's so the next one ends
up being the Matthew Lillard offspring. And they're fighting because
they're blaming Billy for killing him because he does kill them.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah. Interesting, Yeah that could be there.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
You go, I just saw spoiler.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I knew you were involved in the writing of that.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Also, there is something that they're trying to do at
the end of this one where they are also implying.
Because it's been mostly oh Sam could be a killer,
now it's like, oh, Tara could be a killer.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Right, Well, Tara was like the one encouraging her to
kill him, like a part. She's like, I'm gonna be human,
I'm better than this. And you see the look on
Tara's face where it's like yeah, and then it's just.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Do what what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
To finish them essentially.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah. So it's like it's of a strange because she's
not directly related to Billy Loomis. I'm not even sure
that matters that much, but she's the one that's like, oh,
leaning into it.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
There's this whole thing and it's not just scream but
like the old narrative that a psychopath or sociopath is
passed down slash hereditary and is still being used everywhere,
except there's no proof at all.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Anywhere.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I'm saying that that's the case mental health, sure, but
that doesn't mean sociopathic serial killer. Like that's a whole
different conversation. We know that sociopaths can also be CEOs
and politicians oftentimes, But like this narrative that just keeps
perpetuating that it has been fairly debunked, essentially keeps happening
(41:55):
and reinforced, which I find interesting because I've seen that
in a lot of K dramas as well. I'm like,
I'm very confused, especially when it's like they're adopted, but oh,
I know that my father was a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
My biological father was a serial killer, so so am I.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
It's like, yeah, that's not how that completely goes because
the environment, okay, whatever, But there's a lot of conversation
in that in which we see Sam's character being that, which,
by the way, every time they say Sam and Samantha,
I'm just like, I always confused because my name is
so rarely used as main characters.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Like, so I'm like, what's happening, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (42:34):
But yeah, Taro just being sick and tired of it
and wanted to kill, Like I feel like she should
come out as being the full killer. She's just tired
of Almond and just takes them all out.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I mean she was giving off that vibe at then
she is definitely give it off a.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Vibe like it's my head. She's gonna just go after
a screen fans Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, where people like get so obsessed and they're on
Reddit about how amazing he is and attacking the family.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So she just everybody here, I just made two movies.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You did, You're welcome? Wow, you could be rolling in
the dough Samantha.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
I'm giving damn it. Like I heard like screen producers
are listening to us.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
That would be such a like dark heavy load to
pull off the like terror has been radicalized by Reddit.
It is now killing people, but like.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Not because she's a fan, but because she's pissed off
that they're perpetuating those and making her life miserable.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
And then the campaign would be like, oh no, because
Screen does have They had what I think is a
I mean X it works, but it could have gone
very wrong where they had ghost space factors dresses go
space walking around New York at night and going up
to like cameras.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
I told you, it was just turning very dark. That
I had a defect case where one of the spouses
were tormenting his spouse. His spouse by randomly placing the
screen mask.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Like, we came to investigate and she was she was
not doing well anyway, so which was perfect layout for
someone to like gaslight her essentially, And she pointed to
the back and was like, do you see this? And
we turned back around and it was the ghostface mask
and I was like, what is happening. She's like, he
put it there last night, and we were like what.
(44:26):
And this was before like security cameras were so accessible,
like you can get them, but it was expensive. It
was for rich people, and she was going through a
really ugly divorce. So I was just like, I don't
know what to do with this.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, that's that's no good.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
That was my era.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
That was two thousand and five, two thousand and five,
two thousand and four.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Right around the fourth one. Nah, that was right around
the third one. The fourth one was excuse.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Me, I was gonna say, I think it was still
in the trilogy because the third one came out as big.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
The second was like.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Ooh m oh, I love their well, I love them
all but I do think that the interesting thing about
ghost Face, and we did talk about this in the
Fifth Wood, and I promise I'll wrap up, even though
I did skip a whole section of Star Wars comparison.
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Writing it out.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I've done enough. I don't need to do it anymore.
There is an interesting thing about ghost Face and that
he she, they is not the same killer. It's not
like Michael Myers somehow got resurrected like every movie somehow,
it is a different killer every time. Uh ooh, that
could be an interesting Oh no, but it's a different
(45:43):
killer every time. But they wear the mask and it's
like they are ghost Face. And they use that in
a lot of the movies where they're at a movie
premiere and everyone's wearing the ghost Face mask, but one
of them actually is ghost Face and kills you in
front of everyone. Like I feel like the ghost Face
mask has this because because it does that, when I
see someone dressed as that, I am legitimately nervous, like,
(46:05):
oh god, where.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Were we recently and you're like ghost Face.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Oh, there was a bunch of them at Dragon Con.
There was a bunch, That's what it was. Yeah, but
it was kind of funny because he was come up
the escalator and I was like.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I'm going on down the stairs things.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, exactly. Well, I have had a blast. I've had
so much fun. I do recommend this movie. If you're
in any way interested in slashers and horror and dissecting horror,
I recommend it. We might be doing more. We don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Oh yeah, and the second after thing is done, so yeah,
let's talk about more movies.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Let's do it. We will announce it one way or
the other. Our Sex in the City happy hours are
probably gonna resume in the new year. Yes, but we
might be doing some scream happy hours in the meeting.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I think we should.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
I think we should. Wow, of course I think we should.
But yes, well, listeners, if you have any thoughts about this,
if you have any movies we should do for Spoiled Saturdays,
if you have any like Thanksgiving movie recommendations, let us
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Ears don't deceive you. It is a Saturday New Saturday
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(00:30):
a minute since we've done one.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It has been, it has been.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We have so many ideas for them, but it's yeah,
but we do have so many ideas for them. But
as I hinted at in our recent classic about Scream
five that we brought back today, we are talking about
Scream six now in New York. I say, heavy horror
(00:55):
movie franchise has to have the New York movie. They're
usually pretty, but this is a pretty good movie. So yes,
there will be spoilers for that because it came out
in twenty twenty three, early twenty twenty three. I have
a fun I saw it in theaters. I took a
picture next to a huge ghost space. That's when Samantha
(01:17):
sent me the creepy voicemail. Yes, and I have one
of those cups. It has ghost face on it and
then it has like a little ghost face figurine. So
every time you take a sip there it is I
as I mentioned I had a really good time rewatching this.
I thought I was nervous, because, like I said, I
(01:39):
have this thing where I get nervous about engaging with
things I really like sometimes, and I think there's a
lot of reasons for that. But I had a really
fun time rewatching this. I rewatched it twice for this.
It's great. You can see our past episodes on screen five.
We did a whole episode on that one Scream Queens,
where it was kind of a trojan oors for me
(02:03):
to talk about Sidney Prescott. And then the recent episode
we did with Bridget about Scream and technology, which is
kind of what inspired this, and then the episode I
did with Lauren back when I was sort of co hostless.
Co hostlessness, that's not.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Right without a co host. Without a co host, you
could just say you were missing me.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I was missing I was waiting for Samantha, but yeah,
why didn't you believe her? Where we did play a
clip from Scream Too that I love so content warning,
we are going to talk about violence and murder. These
are slasher films, so that's what we're going to be
discussing a bit. I did find it funny that Amazon
(02:51):
lists this movie as erotic. That was one of the
like three genres that put it in. I was like,
what awesome If you haven't listen to the one in
Screen five. Look, I know I make everything about Star Wars,
but the creators and even some of the actors were
(03:14):
very clear that Scream five was about the fan backlash
to the Last Jedi and this one is a continuation
of that movie. And I was rewatching it and they
mentioned the Holidays specials. There's the part where the killer
from the last one, Richie, is on a screen and
(03:36):
he's just talking about like the stab movies, which are
kind of the meta version of the screen movies within
the screen movies, and he's like, well, I didn't see
the Holiday special I heard how bad it was and
all this stuff, and I was like, ah, but it
was a good awe. I'm very excited. I'm very excited.
(03:57):
I'm trying to keep a cool, cool head.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's trying.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Okay, okay, wow, let's talk about the plot. Stream six
is a twenty twenty three American slasher movie directed by
Matt Bettinelli, Olpen and Tyler Gillette or Chillette, written by
James Vanderbilt and Guy Busick, that picks up. Yeah, we're
screen five left off. I think it's a year later.
(04:21):
It stars Melissa Barrera, Jenna Ortega, Jasmine Savoy Brown, Mason Goodding,
a return from Hayden Pantier, as hinted at in the
Fifth One, Curtin Cox, with cameos by Samara Weaving and
Anthony Revelaurie. But there was somebody else that you told me.
(04:42):
You were like, oh, he's a boomer. Now, I can't
believe it. Who was that?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Samantha Dermitt Maroni I was talking about the fact that which,
by the way, I can't believe you didn't put him
on the list. What the hell, He's one of the
nain people in here. What are you doing so many things?
I'm very confused. But yeah, he was like a heart throb,
(05:08):
I guess at my young age. So he played in
many of different movies as the main male lead, and
he was the like the first time I ever saw
him was in Julia Roberts my best friend's wedding, which
is huge, uh, And he was very iconic in my
(05:31):
best friend's wedding, and so growing up, he was just
that dude that you were like, oh, yeah, he's he's
very like.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Good looking but normal good looking.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
He's kind of what I would imagine what we call
dadbod type of conversation where he's not beyond handsome. He's
not like Brad Pitt level of looks, but he's still
endearing and he becomes the male lead because of that level.
So to see him in this character was quite interesting.
To see him as the father character. So the boomer
(06:02):
older character hurt my feelings. Oh, there's a lot that
has hurt my feelings as of late. Please y'all miss
this entire conversation we had with as a staff meeting.
So executive producer Maya was on and she was referring
to a lot of the movies, specifically this and how
(06:25):
it was when she was really young, and I was like,
remember Gonna Sit in their Corner. That was a few
things that was said, and I was like, I think
you're purposely trying to hurt my feelings, and I feel
like in this movie was similar to that. But to
be fair, Maroney was is like sixty, I think, so
it's not beyond the realm, and I think my best friends,
(06:46):
I guess Julia Roberts is around that age. But because
when you're that young. Those people are the standard of
who you want to be, Like, that's who glamorous and
sexy and like, oh my goodness was so to see
him in this role was a real big flip.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's interesting. I was thinking about this the other day
because I always love when an actor gets cast kind
of against type and then you as the viewer, is
used to seeing that person, especially in like a who
Done It type of way. Yeah, so you're like not
suspecting them because you're used to them in like this
(07:22):
other type of role. I don't know, I think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think he's recently become more of like a nice
dad role. Oh okay, anyway, I think that's the more
and more I seen him. But again, this was an
interesting twist.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was it was we will talk about that. So
this movie, it did make a lot of money. It
was very well received. They have of course, already greenlit
a sequel, and yeah, it begins one year after the
previous film, and that In that movie, Richie Kirsh and
Amber Freeman were the killers, and they terrorized and murdered
(07:56):
people in the town of Woodsborough, which is where it
all kind of started, and a lot of them take place,
but they namely were after his sisters, Tara and Sam Carpenter,
and yes, their last name is Carpenter. So the new
ones aka starting with five are like I would say
that they're kind of like their own thing, like they're
(08:17):
restarting without ignoring the old ones at all. But if
the first one of this kind of like new reboot,
new requel, the fifth one mirrors the first scream, this
one mirror is the second scream. This is the college one.
You go off to college, because that's what happens. Tara
goes off to college, and Sam and the whole crew
(08:41):
follows her there. But every screen movie opens with kind
of a random kill, or it seems a random kill
at the time, and the lady you find out it
wasn't random, but okay, So it opens with associate Professor
Laura Crane, who specializes in horror and especially in slasher
And she's at a bar and she's waiting for her date,
(09:03):
a date she met online, and he's late. He calls
and lures her down a dark alley, claiming he's lost
and he's looking for her, and he murders her in
a ghost face outfit. And you know me as Vier
watching this, I'm like, whoa the killer already?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Right immediately, which, by the way, the woman that plays
a character is the main evil character from The Babysitter.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yes, in the Netflix trilogy.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
She's also often confused with Margaret Robbie, and she's in Uh.
These creators also did a movie called Already or Not
Oh yeah, ready, the wedding movie there's too nu. Yes,
not that there's two movies, the Hide and Seek and
Ready or Not different, very different, but yeah, she is
(09:49):
in that anyway. Yeah, he murders her. It's revealed the
killer is a student of hers, and that he was
planning on killing the survivors of the Woodsboro like see
killings as they're called Samon Tara specifically. However, he gets
a call from another goho's face who pretty quickly kills him,
exclaiming who gives a about movies?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And he's the beginning of it is very much like
don't blame the movies for death and essentially what y'all
you and uh talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But it was immediately like, oh, this is which they
said very clearly, the creators of this, but like, this
is a different killer because normally he's like what's your
favorite scary mood? Like all that stuff. He was right
out the gate or she are? They? Like, who gives
up about scary movies? And there was a pretty graphic
scene where he opens the fridge and his roommate Greg,
(10:45):
I think was like cutting the pieces in the fridge
a co killer. We don't even him, No, he's just pieces.
And I did think about this because we're hopefully going
to bring Bridget back, because we did have so much
to say about Scream. But I was thinking about this
that I think when I said, like, phone calls really
(11:05):
freaked me out. I think there's a lot of reasons
why I'm not alone in that, But I wonder if
Scream has contributed in some.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Way to right but on the call, yeah, oh you
know the whole like they're inside your house, which is
an urban legend.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, that's true, that's true. I would love to talk
about that. I did on my rewatch because you were
recently talking about the trip you checked to New York
for your birthday and you complained that like the restaurants
didn't have the sign up front, you couldn't find it,
and the at the beginning, the same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I was very was like, oh, I was Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
In New York City, the new posh Italian restaurant that
we went to that we loved and had the amazing
food was down an alley, literally by an alley in
like side streets where we had to go where we
passed many restaurants, there was no side said there was
a design, except it was for a different name. I
was like, that is not the name. And there was
(12:06):
no mention of the actual place that we reserved, like
we went and reserved the table or at the bar
sitting next to the pasta station, as was recommended by TikTok,
and like the name of the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Was not on there. It was a completely different name.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
And I had to be like, what the And on
Google it doesn't tell you that it's a different restaurant either,
And I'm like, why did you do this?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Why would you do this to us? Who? Who? Who
thinks this is a smart marketing?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I mean it was packed, so I don't one cared,
I guess, but I was like, this is not smart.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
It was all ghost space. It was ghost space.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I hadn't been when my partner one of those would
have gotten murdered by ghost face. Now I said, that's
you know, that's the lesson.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It did make me laugh though, because I think maybe
if you haven't been to New York aren't familiar with that,
you know, this opening scene, you'd be as people love
to do. And I understand it, but you're like, why
would she do this? Why would she do that? I
do think that, But she does have that comment about
the the not they're not being a sign and all
that stuff, and he kind of uses that to lure
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her out. He's like, you can't find there's no sign.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Which is like, you stand in front of him. That's
a don't go anywhere. Other lessons. Stay with the peoples,
staying with the people. Yep, all right, but yes. Tara
and Sam now all live in New York, along with
fellow survivors from the last movie, Mindy and Chad, who
are related to Randy, who was the like movie guy
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who knew all the rules from the first three. Tara
is attending the same university where the murdered professor taught, where.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
The killer student went to. In fact, they had to
run in in the beginning, and it's chafing at the
overprotectiveness of her sister, who moved to New York to
keep an eye on Tara. Tara basically wants to have
a quote regular college experience, and Sam is like, no,
I'm going to taste this guy. We are also introduced
to roommate Quinn, Chad's roommate Ethan Mindy's girlfriend Anika, Quinn's father,
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Detective Bailey, this Dermott guy, Sam's boyfriend from across the
away of the apartment's Danny, and Sam's therapist, doctor Christopher Stone,
who she mostly talks about Tara with. So these are
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your suspects, these are your victims. Because of an online
conspiracy theory that Sam masterminded all of the Woodsboro Legacy murderers,
Sam is outcast and regarded with suspicion. When she goes out,
Detective Bailey brings her in for questioning after her id
was found the murder of the student, along with the
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ghost Face mask warned by Richie and Amber. However, as
they're making their way to the police station, Sam gets
a call from Richie's phone from ghost Face and she
and attacked at a bodega where ghost Face kills several
people with a gun. This is notable. We're going to
talk about this because ghost Face has never not used
a knife ever.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's well, yeah, it's odd.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yes. The killer leaves another mask at the scene, this
one from the twenty eleven words Boro Murders, which is
Scream four. Once they get to the station, we're introduced
to Kirby Reid, who is the horror movie scholar from
the fourth one, who was presumed dead from these twenty
eleven killings but now works, so they have to be FBI.
(15:31):
I know I made you watch it in the fifth one,
if you like, pause it at the right moment on
the side of the YouTube page you can see survivor
Kirby talks about the horrors of this whole thing. So
you well, the fifth one was like, she's alive, but
in the fourth one I definitely thought she was dead
for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So it ends like she does she's dead.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh absolutely, Okay, absolutely. I actually can't wait to talk
about that because it's got a real like douchebag you
didn't see how good I was earlier, Now I'm going
to kill you vibe. So yeah, we'll talk about that later.
So guess who else is there? Gail Weathers Border Gail Weathers, who,
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despite her promise at the end of the fifth one
after Dewey Riley was murdered, who is her on and
off again love interest, and her best friend wrote a
book about the Legacy killings, which infuriated Sam and Tara.
This is one of the things Bridget and I joked about,
is I love about Gail Weathers. At the end of
every movie, she's like, that's it, I'm done. Never again.
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In the beginning of the next she's like, I did
it again.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
She gets punched. That's the kind of a running joke.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, she gets punched, and yeah, by the way, Sam
is the daughter of killer Billy Loomis from the first movie,
so she was writing a little bit about that. Gail
informs them that in order to keep her family safe,
Sydney has gone into hiding, and we will talk about
that more. In the end, Sam's therapist is murdered by
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ghost Face and the murderer steals her file while weaving
the ghost Face mass from the Hollywood Killings Scream three.
This brings us to the laying out of the rules
scene which they have in every movie, where Mendy explains
that they are in a franchise and one of the
big rules is anyone can die and the franchise can
(17:24):
go on Luke Skywalker Rip, Dewey Riley Rip. But it's
kind of funny because Scream three already made this point
when it was like you're in a trilogy. But anyway, right,
there's survivors of the Legacy killing sort of form a
pact to stick together and have a lighthearted moment where
they tease Sam about her boyfriend Danny across the lay. Meanwhile,
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said boyfriend sees their roommate to Quinn get attacked by
ghost Face from his window, tries to get their attention,
and then ghost Face attacks the rest of the group,
eventually killing and leaving behind a mass from the Windsor
College killing Scream too, so it's counting down. Also, there's
a very scary scene of crossing an alley via a
(18:08):
ladder suspended horizontally between two windows. Freaky. That is very reminiscent.
The scene is Scream two where they're stuck in the car,
the police car, and they have to like crawl out
the front over ghost Face. No No. Gail tries to
make amends with the group by bringing them into her investigation.
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She takes them to a theater that she found that
contains a shrine set up for ghost Face, full of
evidence now displayed as if it was like a movie
prop museum, like if you were to go to a
scream exhibit. It feels like that. The group splits up,
very unsettled. Gail gets a call from gross Face at
her apartment. This is sort of when they're like trying
to set a trap for ghost Face and then they
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realize they're gone for Gail, and ghost Face kills Gail's
boyfriend mocks her previous boyfriend, Dewey, before stabbing her and
realizing the danger. Gala is in Sam and Tara arrived
just in time to save her life. She is taken
to the hospital. They decide to meet up with Kirby
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at the theater at her request in order to trap
the killer. On the way there, they board a train
filled with people just as ghost Face. Because this takes
place at Halloween.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
On different faces. You had Mike Myers in there, yea
different killers. Oh yeah, I wondered if they got permission
for that.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh they must have.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
They must have, right, Like that must have cost some
money though.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It was a creepy scene, and one of them stabs Mindy,
who like missed the first train was on a separate train.
When they get to the theater, Sam is confronted with
the hallucination of her father, Billy Limis, which was the
thing that happened a lot in the fifth one, and
he's basically like, if you want to save your sister,
you need to embrace your inner murderer, Like, we really gotta,
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we gotta get a move on on this. Sam then
realizes they are locked in the theater. All of a sudden,
there are two ghost faces and they attack Chad. Both
Kirby and Detective Bailey, whose first name is Wayne, shows up.
They both show up that their guns are drawn. Wayne
claims that Kirby is the killer, that she never was
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sent here by the FBI, that she is obsessed and
mentally disturbed after what happened to her. But then he
shoots her and reveals he is a third ghost face,
which is a first in the franchise Three Killers. They
had to do it, and he's also the ghost face
in charge because the other two are his children roommates
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Quinn not Dead faked the whole thing, and Ethan, and
they both like made sure they get to live with
the people they wanted to kill, which is a tripe,
and we're going to talk about that and also guess what.
They're Richie's family and they want revenge his surprise, a
lot of surprises, that's true. I also talk about that
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yees to that end. They were the ones online spreading
conspiracies and disparaging Sam. They want to pin the blame
on her for all of the killings, basically exonerating Richie.
Sam and Tara fight back, and Tara kills Quinn stabs
Ethan while Sam puts on the ghostface mask from the
original Woodsboro killings, the one her father wore in the
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first Scream, and calls Wayne using the pookoder to taunt him,
which is something else that happens in the first Scream,
and then kills him. Ethan makes another attack, but Kirby
kills him with the TV that killed Stu Mocker in
the first one. Sam promises to let Tara be more independent.
Tara promises to go to therapy Mindy, Chad and Kirby
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are taken to the hospital. Sam stares at her father's
mask for a long moment before tossing it away and
following Tara and Danny, which, by the way, Danny has
a whole thing where he's like, you shouldn't trust me.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It's okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Because she says I've had a good run with boyfriends.
He's like, I get it, which we are going to
talk about too, but yeah, that's that's the plot that
does bring us to the themes. One of the big
(22:20):
ones in this is definitely like sisterhood and overprotectiveness, or
I guess you could argue legitimate protectiveness.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Right, I don't think it's. None of this is overprotective,
especially if they're being like online harassed.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
That's a little different.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It is it is, And I think it's interesting that
it totally makes sense that Tara is like, no, I
want I want to have this whole college experience. I
want to be normal. But the fact is they did
go through this, and they are being harassed online, and
(23:01):
Sam does have a real concern and trauma around that
and keeping her safe and keeping her alive, So it's
like it makes sense. And then you do have the
scene at the end where Sam's like holding Tara and
she's about to fall and the killers are coming from
(23:22):
all the sides, and Tara's like, let me go, let
me go, I could do this, and Sam lets her go.
And Tara did. To her credit, she killed that one
person and then almost the other guy. I mean, it
feels weird to be like, yeah, you killed him, but
in a movie like this, that's the point. I do
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like in the beginning because Tara is drunk at a
college party, having college party and it's like, I want
to go with this guy, and I like that all
of her friends are like, no, you really shouldn't. Anna
becaus like, no, this guy is no good for you,
and that's when uh, Sam comes in. Days is soon. Yeah,
(24:12):
She's like, I'm so sorry. I'm just gonna taste you
in the ball.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, gotta get it done.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah. But that it is a nice thread throughout that
they are friends. They call themselves the Core for jokingly
and then kind of seriously that they're a team. They
talk about being like a found family and surviving and
bonding through this like trauma and the Woodsboro Legacy. I
really appreciated the camaraderie between Mendy and Kirby Whore you're
(24:42):
like horror movies aficionados. They have like a whole scene
where they're like quizzing each other, and I really like
that scene. But it is true that I would never
put myself on the same level as this, but protective
of my brothers, but especially my younger brother, especially when
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I was younger. I've kind of like east back, but
it is hard when you're like the line between and
why I doing too much? Like is this more for
me and less for them? Like all of those things.
So that made me think about about that. There's certainly
the theme of trauma in a lot of ways, a
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lot of ways, including the sisters in their relationship, but
also the ex boyfriend, which is a plot in the
second scream where Sydney has this sex boyfriend to this boyfriend,
but she keeps her boyfriend was the killer in the
first one, so she just has a understandable concern that
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maybe is the boyfriend and this one. And I feel
like even Dewey says, who he's a cop, and he's like,
you know, look at the boyfriend, and she has that conversation.
Sam has conversation with her boyfriends in this one because
her ex was the killer, one of the killers previously,
and he is just like, well, don't trust me until
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this is over. Let's figure this out. There's also that
we've talked about this a lot of times. But the
whole aspect on like mental health and horror, so like
having Sam go to a therapist, having the thing at
the end where Tara agrees to go to a therapist,
but also the killer like steals her file, Sam's file
(26:33):
because they know they can manipulate Sam that way, but
also how people perceive Sam because it is seen as like, oh,
something must be wrong with her, She's probably the killer.
She's well, she's going to therapy, and this is what
the therapist is saying. But then then also on top
of that, there's the whole thing with Kirby, which I'm
glad they actually turned because at first I was like,
oh no, when they're like she's crazy, she's the killer,
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she's obsessedes, I was like, oh, but they kind of
like weaponized it because they knew people would believe it,
and then turned out it wasn't true. And I'm glad
that it turned out it wasn't true because we do
see that trope all of the time. So I really
liked that because that's what Scream does. That's what all
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these movies are about, is like taking a trope and
then being like, let's flip that. So yeah, a lot
of times it would be her, but it wasn't, and
I'm glad. And then just the kind of the there's
a through line throughout with Sydney and then now with
Sam of this idea like you're gonna crack, You're gonna
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crack and then kill people, And they're both kind of
consistently either gaslets or being told they're paranoid, even though
I would again argue have reasons of me paranoid. They
have PTSD and they're just gonna snap that all this
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trauma with your boyfriend it means you can't function. So
I feel like there's a constant thing with that of
the dismissing of their trauma or using it to be like, oh,
you're the killer. You're definitely like I mean, a lot
of our true crime shows like Snap to have titles
like that in there, like You're just gonna one day snap.
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And that was a big theory because that's never been
done so far, is that one of the main characters
that you're like onboard with turns out to be the killer.
But they do play with that this one and in
a couple of them, so you have like Sam becoming
the killer, like wearing the mask, using the voice again,
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I know. But we talked about this in the fifth
one where the whole Star Wars thing where Ray is
a Palpatine metaphor, which at the end of the fifth one,
she's like, Oh, you want to kill her, I'll give
you a killer. Sidney did the whole thing, but she
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didn't have She wasn't the whole Her father wasn't a killer,
her her parents weren't killers. But that kind of the
final girl of the victim as the victim versus a
final girl of the killer. So it's like Sydney is
kind of the first where she doesn't have this family
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thing looming over her. And then you've got Sam whose
father was the original killer, and so that's she's a
kind of different final girl. That's really interesting dichotomy. Yeah,
and then there's there's something to say about sort of
the the cycle of abuse here and the mass that
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her father wore when she puts that on. But again,
she does become the killer then, and she looks at
the mask and puts it away and chooses to go
forth with her her sister and her boyfriend. But it
is sort of suggestive of that idea that it's only
a matter of time before she becomes her father and
or it's just like hanging over her. And as you said,
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the blame the family trope is in here, but notably
there is no mother. It is everyone presumably but the mother, yes,
which I thought was interesting. It's also interesting to hear
Sam describe killing Richie because I feel like most of
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the time that would have been painted in these movies
specifically would have been painted as just self defense because
he was trying to kill her. He had killed a
lot of people. But because of who her father is,
it seems more like evidence like she's also a killer,
and that that whole idea of like come to the
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dark side, become a serial killer to save your sister. Again, look,
I can't help it. It's Star Wars everywhere. Another thing
I thought was interesting was the fact that the opening
scene when the professor is killed, the killer is kind
of like and you think, you know, horror like and
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you think you came down the stark alley and you
did this, And we briefly talked about that in the
episode we did with Bridget. But it is interesting as
someone who does this, as someone who like I love
to dissect, but I think there is a whole thing
to be said about, like knowing the tropes but not
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knowing you're in a horror movie. I guess, like I
don't know. I just I'd like that they commented on
that though, that they commented on kind of the how
a lot of people are dissecting these horror movies, and
these movies lend themselves to that because there's so meta
about horror movies. Also, something that was on my mind
(32:08):
that we didn't get to talk about when Bridget was on,
but I would love to come back, because we were
sort of talking about like the media and how that
maybe inspires killers or make people more violent. Those conversations
we've all heard, and Bridget was making the point like
when these movies were coming out, news media, like all
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day news media was really becoming a thing, and they weren't.
They didn't receive the same rating like Y seven ORPG
or whatever it would be that media did, so that
they were kind of escaping the system while blaming the system,
but doing the thing. And I do think that's interesting
(32:48):
because so many of these movies have copycat killers and
we've talked about, oh we haven't talked about but in
our media, in our society. We've talked about, like there
was a whole conversation of never saying a mass shooter's name,
or like never because it'll inspire other people, and that's
a bigger conversation than this. But I do think that's
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interesting that a lot of times it's not the movies,
it's the people or copycat killers that saw it on
the news. And then how often so many of these
killers and throughout these movies are killing over things, like
killing over grays. Because it's kind of implied that the
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professor in the beginning was in part killed because the
guy didn't get a good grade I'm s which is
real sad and awful. But then he's mad at her
because he's like, you didn't you don't listen to your
own you don't know the trope, so you're either you're
ignoring them to come down this alleyway, and he talks
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about how she feels like an animal and like meat,
and then the real ghost face calls and it's like,
how does it feel before it kills him? And then
this whole idea that they had to finish when Shei's
filmed the killers in this movie but make it seem
like he was not the killer and or was not
(34:14):
to blame. Of course Gale. We talked about her, the
complex nature of her and her relationship with her friends
who are very much involved in a very like true
crime type case, and then her as someone who wants
to make money off the true crime type case. She
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even has a quote it's all about true crime limited
series these days, which make me laugh. She does use
her book to fight off ghost Space, which I thought
was funny. Uh yeah, okay, and ghost Face makes a
comment of like, who do you think will make money
off of your death? There's also controlling the narrative, especially
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with the detective who blames Sam for radicalizing his son
and his death because his son, Richie was very involved
in this. Dab Movies was not happy with the newest
Dab movie, wanted to make a storyline in real life
that they would make the next Stab movie off of.
And he's on Reddit boards and all this stuff. So
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not really her fault at all, but that's what the
detective said. But that was one of the things throughout it.
You're like, how are they getting this evidence? How are
they getting this evidence? The ghost face mask and he's
a detective and he had access to it, so he
could kind of control that. The trope of the roommate,
that is a huge horror movie trope, Oh the roommate,
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then they will always look out. The whole idea of
assassinating the character is a big topic in a lot
of these where they did purposely go online basically start
a campaign to say no, it was her, it was
Sam all along. Like I said earlier, this was supposed
to be it was. It was like this one's different,
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the three murderers thing completely new. I'm still perplexed at
how he was going to explain his daughter was alive.
The detective the gun I think was supposed to be
kind of a hint that it was a cop. But
I don't know. Being not a fan of ghost Face,
I think in the very first scene, you're supposed to
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be like, Okay, this is not because a lot of
times it does turn out to be somebody who in
some way respects ghost Face. But this was not that
kind of leaning into the trope of the good cop
that he was like the good the good guy, and
he was gonna he really wanted to get to the
bottom of this because what happened to his daughter. Then
you get to see the evolution of the mask, all
of the different masks and how they get more and
(36:55):
more worn and torn and dirty. Interesting. So this brings
us to kind of the elephant in the room. Sidney
Prescott was not in it, and they did try to
(37:17):
explain it as like she's taking care of herself. She
deserves a happy ending, which I've talked about, Like I
do feel that. I'm like, stay away, Sydney, You've been
through enough. But the fact she's not in there, you're like,
oh wait, something's missing. But okay. Yes. This was the
first screen movie not to feature Nev Campbell Sidney Prescott
(37:40):
and it was due to a pay disputes, and Campbell
said the offer was insulting. Here is a quote from Newsweek.
I felt the offer that was presented to me did
not equate to the value I brought to the franchise.
It's been a very difficult decision to move on. To
all my screen fans, I love you. You've always been
so incredibly supportive to me. I'm forever grateful to you
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and what this franchise has given me over the past
twenty five years. I honestly don't believe that if I
were a man and had done five installments of a
huge blockbuster franchise over twenty five years. That the number
that I was offered would be the number that would
be offered to a man. I'm not just done with
the chapter. I care about these movies. If they were
to come to me with an amount that felt in
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keeping with the value that I bring them, I would
certainly consider it. So that being said, like I mentioned previously,
there is discussion she'll be in the next one. It
is not confirmed at all. There is discussion, and I
did appreciate that a lot, well, I won't say a lot,
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a couple at least. I didn't like go looking, but
I saw a couple of high profile cases of her
co stars supporting her. Matthew Lillard was very openly vocal
about his support of her and her getting more money,
which is nice because we know so often that is
not the case when things like this happen. So I
don't know, we'll see. Also, I wasn't convinced Gail was
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even going to come back. I thought she might die
and they'd kind of leave it open. I'm assuming she's
going to come back unless they don't pay her enough.
They left it open that she could have died at
the end. I was I like, looked it up afterwards.
I was like, Gail is still alive?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
That they said she's fine, Then they don't. They say
she's at the hospital, she's recovering.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
They say she's recovering. But I was like, they could
kill her. It could be like making sure. I don't
think they would.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
It would be really silly. At the very least, they
need to say she's in hiatus or hiding, like because
they might want to bring her back. Because this seems
to be a never ending thing. Yes, but isn't there
a rumor that Matthew Willer is going to be in there?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
There is a rumor he's going to be in there.
I am so perplexed by it. I mean, he seemed
it as a door dill, but.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I mean the TV.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
It could be either. It could be the thing like
with Billy Loomis. Though I feel like they can't hold
that trick too many times.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
You can't have too many like I mean, actually you
can if you keep doing the movie and focus on
one at a time. That's so the next one ends
up being the Matthew Lillard offspring. And they're fighting because
they're blaming Billy for killing him because he does kill them.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah. Interesting, Yeah that could be there.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
You go, I just saw spoiler.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I knew you were involved in the writing of that.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Also, there is something that they're trying to do at
the end of this one where they are also implying.
Because it's been mostly oh Sam could be a killer,
now it's like, oh, Tara could be a killer.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Right, Well, Tara was like the one encouraging her to
kill him, like a part. She's like, I'm gonna be human,
I'm better than this. And you see the look on
Tara's face where it's like yeah, and then it's just.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Do what what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
To finish them essentially.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah. So it's like it's of a strange because she's
not directly related to Billy Loomis. I'm not even sure
that matters that much, but she's the one that's like, oh,
leaning into it.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
There's this whole thing and it's not just scream but
like the old narrative that a psychopath or sociopath is
passed down slash hereditary and is still being used everywhere,
except there's no proof at all.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Anywhere.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I'm saying that that's the case mental health, sure, but
that doesn't mean sociopathic serial killer. Like that's a whole
different conversation. We know that sociopaths can also be CEOs
and politicians oftentimes, But like this narrative that just keeps
perpetuating that it has been fairly debunked, essentially keeps happening
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and reinforced, which I find interesting because I've seen that
in a lot of K dramas as well. I'm like,
I'm very confused, especially when it's like they're adopted, but oh,
I know that my father was a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
My biological father was a serial killer, so so am I.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
It's like, yeah, that's not how that completely goes because
the environment, okay, whatever, But there's a lot of conversation
in that in which we see Sam's character being that, which,
by the way, every time they say Sam and Samantha,
I'm just like, I always confused because my name is
so rarely used as main characters.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Like, so I'm like, what's happening, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (42:34):
But yeah, Taro just being sick and tired of it
and wanted to kill, Like I feel like she should
come out as being the full killer. She's just tired
of Almond and just takes them all out.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I mean she was giving off that vibe at then
she is definitely give it off a.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Vibe like it's my head. She's gonna just go after
a screen fans Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, where people like get so obsessed and they're on
Reddit about how amazing he is and attacking the family.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So she just everybody here, I just made two movies.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You did, You're welcome? Wow, you could be rolling in
the dough Samantha.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
I'm giving damn it. Like I heard like screen producers
are listening to us.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
That would be such a like dark heavy load to
pull off the like terror has been radicalized by Reddit.
It is now killing people, but like.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Not because she's a fan, but because she's pissed off
that they're perpetuating those and making her life miserable.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
And then the campaign would be like, oh no, because
Screen does have They had what I think is a
I mean X it works, but it could have gone
very wrong where they had ghost space factors dresses go
space walking around New York at night and going up
to like cameras.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
I told you, it was just turning very dark. That
I had a defect case where one of the spouses
were tormenting his spouse. His spouse by randomly placing the
screen mask.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Like, we came to investigate and she was she was
not doing well anyway, so which was perfect layout for
someone to like gaslight her essentially, And she pointed to
the back and was like, do you see this? And
we turned back around and it was the ghostface mask
and I was like, what is happening. She's like, he
put it there last night, and we were like what.
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And this was before like security cameras were so accessible,
like you can get them, but it was expensive. It
was for rich people, and she was going through a
really ugly divorce. So I was just like, I don't
know what to do with this.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, that's that's no good.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
That was my era.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
That was two thousand and five, two thousand and five,
two thousand and four.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Right around the fourth one. Nah, that was right around
the third one. The fourth one was excuse.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Me, I was gonna say, I think it was still
in the trilogy because the third one came out as big.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
The second was like.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Ooh m oh, I love their well, I love them
all but I do think that the interesting thing about
ghost Face, and we did talk about this in the
Fifth Wood, and I promise I'll wrap up, even though
I did skip a whole section of Star Wars comparison.
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Writing it out.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I've done enough. I don't need to do it anymore.
There is an interesting thing about ghost Face and that
he she, they is not the same killer. It's not
like Michael Myers somehow got resurrected like every movie somehow,
it is a different killer every time. Uh ooh, that
could be an interesting Oh no, but it's a different
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killer every time. But they wear the mask and it's
like they are ghost Face. And they use that in
a lot of the movies where they're at a movie
premiere and everyone's wearing the ghost Face mask, but one
of them actually is ghost Face and kills you in
front of everyone. Like I feel like the ghost Face
mask has this because because it does that, when I
see someone dressed as that, I am legitimately nervous, like,
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oh god, where.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Were we recently and you're like ghost Face.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Oh, there was a bunch of them at Dragon Con.
There was a bunch, That's what it was. Yeah, but
it was kind of funny because he was come up
the escalator and I was like.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I'm going on down the stairs things.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, exactly. Well, I have had a blast. I've had
so much fun. I do recommend this movie. If you're
in any way interested in slashers and horror and dissecting horror,
I recommend it. We might be doing more. We don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Oh yeah, and the second after thing is done, so yeah,
let's talk about more movies.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Let's do it. We will announce it one way or
the other. Our Sex in the City happy hours are
probably gonna resume in the new year. Yes, but we
might be doing some scream happy hours in the meeting.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I think we should.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
I think we should. Wow, of course I think we should.
But yes, well, listeners, if you have any thoughts about this,
if you have any movies we should do for Spoiled Saturdays,
if you have any like Thanksgiving movie recommendations, let us
know because we're trying to sess that out. You can
email us at stuffidomom stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You
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our super producer Christina who just had a birthday, Happy birthday, Yes,
our executive producer Maya, and our contributor Joey. Thank you,
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