May 31, 2023 • 63 mins
The guys sit down with special guest John Rondi, Sr., the co-creator of the legendary Johnny Drinks, for a wide-ranging conversation about everything from the troubling history of prohibition to JFK and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nolan.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
They call me Ben. We're joined, as always with our
super producer, Max Freight Train Williams. Most importantly, you are here,
and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know. It's a very special show for us today, folks.
We are examining a wide range of things in what
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is part of a continuing conversation we started in Austin,
Texas some time ago. We're not diving into this alone, folks.
We are joined with the man, the myth, the legend,
John Rondie Sr. Also known as to many of our listeners,
the creator of Johnny Drinks. Sir, thank you for coming
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on the show today.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh come on, this is awesome. I love it.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Man.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
I gotta say like the shadow boxing. It was a
good move there, and I like the risk whatever you
call those, the cuffs, the wrist.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I know you got something.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
This is my Red Vanley Listen. I have the pleasure
luxury of being afforded a lot of swag.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yeah, they thought that was stuff we all get. How
can we didn't get that.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I'm in front of the camera a little more. Baby,
it works.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
You're looking good, John.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
We're glad to have me here today to talk about
I like you like Ben said a bit of a
grab bag episode today, which is great because we're going
into a long weekend.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Everybody likes a grab bag.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah. Well, before we get started, though, let's talk about you, John,
who you are, what the Johnny Drinks podcast is in
Johnny Drinks in general, how it came to be, and
the fact that you've made this thing with your son,
which you know as a father, it's like one of
the coolest things.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's well unbelievable that I get to
share the story, the message, the journey. Right, It's just
been something that came to us. The bottom line is,
my son and I didn't set out to do this. Right.
We literally filmed a video of me making a cocktail.
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I made the cocktail, he videoed, it went viral. The rest,
as they will say, becomes the history of our journey.
Because after that first video, that was his first TikTok,
so think about this, takes his camera out, says, I'm
going to download the app, downloads the app. Videos in
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the app me making a cock It goes over eight
million views, okay. And that next day he's like, we
got to do this again. I'm like, okay, what did
we do? So it's pre COVID February twenty twenty. Make
the cocktail, goes viral. Subsequent to that, do other videos,
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and then the pandemic hits in like April, right, So
now we're in we're in lockdown, and everybody's doing what
they're doing, of course, and we just expand upon, you know,
taking up time and space and not driving each other
nuts and just having fun. And that's how it was born.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So you really did. You have continued to strike a
chord with people, not just on TikTok, but on any
number of social media platforms, including, as Matt mentioned, the
Johnny Drinks podcast. One of my favorite parts of the
Origin story, John is, uh, the way the way you
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explained it, which is super humble. By the way, man
is Okay, we've we've made you make the cocktail, right,
and uh, you're you're making Manhattan's and after after you
make the Manhattan you're you're basically just doing it because
you're all going out to uh a steakhouse Del Frisco's.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, And so my favorite part of this story is
the way I've read it in a couple of iterations,
is that you guys go and you're having dinner and
all of a sudden, the phone goes nuts. Right, So
I really thought this was just something entertaining to do
for a second.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, listen, I know. Yeah, I gave you the
briefed version. I'm happy to like now expand a little
bit and dissect it. But when we were out to dinner,
and again it was my nephews, my brother in law,
my sons, so it was just guys being dudes, pregaming
my basement, make the cocktails. We go out to Del Fresco's,
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and at dinner, Johnny's like that that videos doing really well.
I'm like, you know, oh great, one hundred thousand views, Dad, dessert,
we're close to a million views. I'm like great. We
get in the car, Dad, this thing is going. I'm like,
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where's it going?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, it's going.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
My brother in law, who's fifty eight years old, we're
looking at you, Ollie, what are they talking about? It's
going and then subsequent next day, the next day, traction
it's building. I'm like, wow, okay, cool, it's just fun.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Let's let's talk about that revenue streams, right, Like, did
you ever think in your wildest dreams that this thing,
whatever social media is, could be a viable revenue stream
for I mean for anybody. It's pretty nuts.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I believe it. Matt ben Noel. If you guys heard
what I said to everybody the first let's say, six
months into this whole thing, it's like, this isn't real.
This is such bs. This is like, you know, killing time,
but it's like, what are we doing. I actually made
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a deal with my son. I said, Okay, here's what
we're gonna do. You know this is cute, This is cute.
I have a full time job in twenty twenty. I'm
in the mortgage business. I mean, in thirty two years,
I am cranked out, busy, out of my mind that
it was one of the best years in the mortgage industry.
Twenty twenty. Everyone's refinancing, everyone's locked down. Okay, you might
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not relate to that because you may have had a
mortgage or needed a mortgage, But it was one of
the best years I ever had.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You hit on some things that are really interesting on
my ends, and I think our listeners will find this
fascinating as well. You said the words, you know it experimental, right,
we're expanding h And you also mentioned your extensive experience
in the world of finance, in the world of mortgages,
I saw. I saw a really compelling conversation you had
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with a colleague regarding what was it eight right?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, yeah. And for many of us, like when this
show was first a twinkle in some ill advised eyes
of some kids who were certain they would get fired
by the way we we were, this was something that
was on everybody's mind. And I think for a lot
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of people, we see this cyclical, like the same batch
of conspiracy theories get thrown around regarding regarding the ideas
of crashes, recessions and so on. And what do you
think for we're the average person who doesn't have your
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depth of experience here, how would you respond when people
say there are conspiracies afoot in the world of finance?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, yeah, you know, listen, I think and I'm on
a conspiracy theorist person or advocate of sort of life.
But I believe things. So if you if you have
things that you would bring to light as fact, I
want to hear it. I'm listening. I'm still trying to
figure out who killed JFK. I'm all about let me
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hear it because it's cool, right. But the more you
hear then the more you get to kind of deduct
for yourself. And that's the nice part about why you
guys are even doing what you're doing. Right. So, when
we think about the financial crash of eight specifically in
that conversation, everyone was contributing to it. There were and
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always will be people in the financial world that will
take advantage of their position. Right, It's like us hanging out.
We hang out with each other. We're accountable excuse me
to each other. We get a little creative with each other.
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You're foolish if you don't think those people in those
proverbial ivory towers don't do the same thing that they
don't talk and they don't learn how to encode, so
they cover their butts figure out ways to monetize and
make money off.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
For sure, anytime we talk about secret societies or kind
of clandestine meetings. It usually boils down more to networking
events than it does to some sort of master plan,
you know, And it's the idea of how can you know,
we be the rising tide that carries all both as
long as you trying to eat my lunch, you know,
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other wealthy influencing person, And that's who I'm talking to.
So it's a it is there. It is a conspiracy,
but so is business. I mean, like it's so interesting.
The term conspiracy is so loaded, but it really is
just like a way of formulating a plan to.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Put something into action.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
So I mean, the idea of a conspiracy isn't always
as secretive and clandestine as one might think. It really
is just about tactics and strategy and like pushing forth
ideas in the world and sort of being those thought leaders,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Sure, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, you know, I wonder about about mortgages in general,
and I wonder about buying homes right now. It's a
weird time. I was having a conversation with my parents
just about how houses were such a long term investment,
at least that's how they viewed them when they were
growing up. It feels like there's a push for the
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short term, you know, turn around the money, basically flip
a house in you know, months or a year or so.
Where do you see all of that heading when it
comes to basically everybody out there listening right now who's
worried about being able to buy property at some point
and it doesn't feel like a goal that's even achievable.
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Where where do you see everything going.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, yeah, well you know what, Matt, It's it's inevitable
that you have to leave your parents. You can't live
with them the rest of your life. Right So for
the younger people, it'll happen, whether they kick you out
or you just get tired of it, you're gonna you know,
you'll find your own place. The problem right now is
there's no inventory. There's just there aren't any homes that
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in any market. If you were to look at the
homes that were for sale a year ago are available today,
it's like eighty percent less. It's crazy. What's just evaporated,
let alone the prices that have flattened out. So it's
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gonna come back. And the person like my son who
is twenty seven, who is looking a year ago, is
now just gonna be patient because it's gonna be a
buyer's market at some point, right, because you can't you
can't hold on to that current home that you really
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should put on the market. And for different reasons. If
you're an older person like maybe your parents, well something's
gonna happen, right, Attrition is gonna factor in or usually
gonna say to your kids, hey, you buy it, I'll
sell to you, I'll hold a note. There's gonna be
a change over somewhere. So those people who are in
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this market trying to find a house now I feel
bad for it because there's not a lot of options
and they're chasing answer things just to have a bite
of the apple, and they don't even know if it's
really what they want. You know, everyone wants what they
can't have, and all of a sudden, you're making offers
on a house that you'd compromise so much, and you think,
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but at least I got a house.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, And sometimes I think a lot of that comes
to as a person who just put off buying a
house until you know, later next year, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They I think a lot of it comes down to this,
these sort of cultural mores that are put upon people.
Sometimes in Shorthand they're referred to as the American dream.
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But if you feel this obligation, even if it's not
the right fit for you, then you find your reality
and what you have been taught should be your reality
in conflict. And this brings us to a bigger thing.
Very interested in your thoughts on this one, John, Okay,
phrasing this carefully. I want to get this right. Do
you believe that overall Western society is moving away from
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an ownership society to a service or subscription society. This
is something that we have bandied about on the show before.
And when I think of this, I'm not just thinking
of you know, like a lot of the investment firms
maybe in the US and abroad that have been buying
up homes, or you know, foreign nationals representatives of foreign
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institutions buying homes big problem in Canada. I'm thinking also
of how subscription services are entering the automobile, like BMW recently,
you know, has these monthly payments you must make for
technology that already exists in the car. Do you think
there's something to that? And if so, are people being
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maybe alarmist or hyperbolic or is that a valid concern
people should have.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
So there's it. I'm a simplify it. It's rent versus buying. Right,
it doesn't matter who's how they're renting it, who's owning
it to rent, why they're doing it Airbnb, vrbo, it's
rent versus by. My son and I just had on
our podcast this conversation rent versus buy. And so I
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think that while the American dream, or part of what
I say is like the three pinnacles of one getting married,
to owning a home, and three having children may not
fit everybody, those are the three pillars right for most people.
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And if you can get one out of the three, great,
get you go three for three, fantastic, But I think
everyone would love to just get at least, you know,
a shot at one of those in their lifetime. Renting
right now is so attractive because those people who are
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in a position right to to control it have made
it so convenient. They've made it such that now there's
these worlds within the world, in the community, and you
know you can you can find this at every demographic right. So, Matt,
your parents are older mine or older, everyone's got hopefully
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you know parents that can still enjoy you know, their
their their senior years. But they have all these communities
now that they're doing everything. I mean, right, who's not
playing pickleball? My fam was, you know, eighty five years
old playing pickaball. I can't walk?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Where did that come from? What are you taking over malls?
What the hell is anyway?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah? But no, But so that's exactly right. Everything has
found this uh social aspect greater today than ever before.
My son John lives in this complex in Jersey City,
and guys, it's like just beautiful, beautiful young people in
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and out, all sorts of demographics, right, and then they
have on the roof day of this pool. They have
all this area and they hang out, like gosh, who
does want to live here? So that's where Ben, I
think it's it becomes very easy maybe for the subscription
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mind you know, mindset, I don't want to buy the car.
I'll just let me tell you. You know, we borrow
it here and they use it for this purpose then
and you know, rent it for the time they need
and when you need it. Right. So, but but I
I think that the ultimate goal still is being one
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of those pillars, is to buy it to have it.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Well, I mean you know.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
I I recently bought a home and I was terrified
to do it for the longest time. I had one
in a previous life when I was married, when my
kid was really young, and we sold that house and
I rented ever since. But I did have that kind
of fomo sort of like you know, fear of like
being left behind, left in the dust. I'm like, how
come all these friends of mine were younger than me
or buying houses, Like I, what's the deal? What am
I missing? And I think that is a danger in
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and of itself. It It wasn't until I was just like, look,
I'm gonna take a look at Sloman and I have
my kid's best friend's mom's realtor, and I looked at
like six or seven in one day, and I saw
a place that I'm sitting in the basement of right now.
I'ma have a recording studio, and it's very important to me.
I'm like, I do music. And I've been shoving all
my gear that I've been collecting since I was a
teenager into a spare bedroom for years. And I saw
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the space and I was like, think what I could
do with the space. It would change my life it
would change my life to be able to have this
space to put all my stuff in, to be creative
in my own home. That's what twisted the key for
me and made me like, now I want it in
a way that's not just I'm sad that I'm being
left behind. So I think to your point, like it
is important to realize, like what do you actually want?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
What are you going for in your life?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Is it smart for you to be able to own
a place, or is it better or more advantageous to
you just to continue to rent, because there is anything
inherently wrong with renting. It was for me this silly,
kind of childish fomo that then was replaced by Okay, no,
now I actually want this for a real reason for
my life.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, good point. It makes sense.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And we'll pause here for a word from our sponsor.
Then we'll return with Johnny Drinks. And we have returned.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Guys, I want to jump back to something we were
talking about before, and I'm trying to connect some ideas
here to come up with something interesting. Okay, so you've
got the show Johnny Drinks. It is just centered on
those drinks, even though that's not what the Johnny Drinks
podcast is about right, it's about way more things than that.
But the Johnny Drinks persona of the social media presence
is about drinks. You got what is the thing? Yeah,
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you sell a smoker, I think, and it is just awesome.
We got to see Brian bomb Gardner do it like
right next to me. It was incredible. So there's we're
talking about revenue streams, we're talking about drinks. I want
to get back to prohibition and the times in the
United States when alcohol became illegal, because I think there's
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a there's a something really interesting there with finding a
revenue stream at a time when it was illegal to
make money on that thing, but there was a will
and there were ways to still make money on that thing.
And I just wonder if over your years, because are
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you from New York or New Jersey? From New Jersey,
New Jersey, So I just wonder if you had any
just I don't know, just living in that area talking
with people being in the financial sector. Just I wonder
if you've ever heard stories or anything just when it
comes to like the real wealth that was built from
prohibition that was underground and then turned into legitimate businesses
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or something.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, Well, you know, listen, there's people that are very resourceful, right,
people who are entrepreneurial and opportunists, regardless of whatever society
smashes you in the face with. So we have prohibition,
the Great Depression, you know, things that as you reflect
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back in and out of society and times where it
got really hard, people are going to be creative. I mean,
I will not say, let's talk about the mob and
get into that, but who exploited it more than them?
They although again the stereotypes associated with it are well deserved.
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You know, they did it. They found a way through
prohibition to make a business or businesses. You know, there's
the speakeasies, and to your you know, I guess your
question about being in this area, there's some still some
speakeasies that are original that I've been to, and there's
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one there's one down in Atlantic City, New Jersey that
it was so cool just going in there and seeing
everything still the way it was. And it wasn't that
they tore down and got rid of They got rid
of some stuff because some stuff just you know, it
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ages out and you can't, you know, can't keep it.
But it's so cool and interesting to see how they
did survive, and how they did facilitate the needs of
men and how women play a role in that, and
then the business models if you would of some of that,
so from from drinking to the socializing and you know,
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the police that would come in the front empire. Yeah really, Yeah,
we're walking by which which, by the way, I never watched.
I don't think I watched maybe but a couple of
episodes of Boardwalk Empire, but I.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Sleepd on it.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I watched a few and then I left it. But
then I went back and it's good. It really gets
interesting and history.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
For your background, I think you dig it.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It's based on a lot of historical precedent. We've talked
about prohibition the past, and I love the I love
what you're describing here, John, because we know that Faulkner
was right when he said the past isn't really ever over.
I'm paraphrasing, but you know, we see we see the
echoes of these things, and and with prohibition, you know,
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there's so much nasty stuff there that happens. Like people
always say, yes, the mob was doing terrible things, while
they forget that the US government knowingly poison and a
ton of people, you know, with denatured alcohol. We also
saw in that short and cartoonishly unsuccessful national experiment from
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nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty that nineteen thirty three, excuse me,
that prohibition just didn't work. And as like as a
business model for Uncle Sam, prohibition did not work with alcohol.
But you know, we've had some really interesting conversations with
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folks that I won't call them conspiracy theorists, I will
call them advocates, right stakeholders maybe about the modern state
of prohibition for other substances in the US. You know,
I mean, it's it's always the money that moves revenue
stream policy, right, and so, in very divided times in
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the United States, one of the few issues that all
sides of the political aisle could agree on is, oh,
we can make money off cannabis. Maybe we should give
that a go. I'm really interested in hearing your opinions
on the idea of prohibition for other substances like should
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And hey, if you if you for some reason want
to throw us at curveball and say that you think
alcohol should be illegal again, then by all means, don't
say that. But what do you think about the What
do you think about the people who are saying banning
or current like drug laws are a kind of prohibition
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in the modern day.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I don't know enough about it,
and then I don't use it. I'm out of THHD
CBD person at all. I'm just don't. My children and
their friends, it seems like nine out of ten of
them all are doing some format it. But the most
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that I do is I'll do the CBD cream once
in a while on my shoulder or my back. But
but I'm really not that that's when you asked them
to be some sort of new prohibition, I would I
don't think so. I think that I think that it's
okay that it's now brought to light. It does help
a lot of people. I think that, you know, the
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strains of it are dangerous, which I'm learning because again
my family, kids and friends, they all use it in
this form of self medication that that I don't that
I don't really I think that's a slippery slope. I
think that's dangerous.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
One that alcohol is a is a party two as well, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I'm going caffeine. This is like my second monster.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Yeah, even the medications your doctors prescribe you're still taking it,
so you're self medicating.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but you don't interesting
all about that, And again I don't. I guess this
is the part of anything as a vice, anything that's abused,
anything could be habitually uh and then become an addiction. Right,
this specific conversation about marijuana, let's say THC and you
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know all the other options of gummies and the way
you want to enjoy, whether it's recreational or purposes of medicating.
I just I think there's this misnomer that, oh, it's
not addicting, that's the problem for me, because but it
is addicting, right, There's there's a strain of it addicting.
So so that for me would just be a reason
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that maybe pump the brakes. It's so you know, what
we used to do or what my generation did younger
here and there, that marijuana is not the same today close, right,
So that's the dangerous.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Part I think is interesting, the idea of addiction to like,
there's there's different sides of it, there's different colors of it.
You can be addicted to driving a car really fast
because it's fun. It doesn't mean that you're physically dependent
on driving a car really fast. You just really like
doing it. So therefore you're going to go for a repeat,
you know, rinse and repeat, so you know. Well, I
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don't think necessarily marijuana is like physically addictive. I think
people like it and it works for them, and maybe
some people like it a little too much and probably
use it a little too much. But I do think
there is science in that marijuana is not addictive in
the same way that heroin or cocaine are addictive.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't argue that,
but I say I don't know because I don't know.
What I see is. I'm thinking it is addicting, right,
And here's why. Every young person that I've gotten close to,
and this is one of the advantages I have, TikTok
dad and now this personality, right, I'm telling you, they
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bring this to me. Which is just last perfect example,
just last night have people over. Young guys says to me,
he would you mind if I go smoke a little
bit outside? Okt Well, okay, cool. Later find out that anxiousness, anxiety,
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you know, irritability, you know, it just helps me. It
helps me sleep, helps my appetite, help suppress helps.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
So yeah, ritual is addictive too, Yeah yeah, right, yeah right.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
So you know that's the part when again I say
to nine out of ten people in my world and
spear are offering this explanation to why they're doing it,
and I'm like, I'm not even looking for it. I'm
not asking why you're doing it. I'm not I'm not doctor.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I'm kind of like proactively justifying, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
So far, there's no prohibition on ads. So guess what
here they are. We'll be right.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Back and we're back with Johnny Drinks.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Guys. I want to jump to a mild addiction maybe
that I have that I think a lot of Americans have.
Reset In fact, yes, monster get out watching two highly
skilled people absolutely fight each other almost to the death
in an octagon or a ring or something like that.
(30:35):
You recently could because this actually ties back to like
Atlantic City and then Vegas and revenue streams. Right, You've
recently spoke with Dana White, president of the UFC, and
now you know entrepreneur does a whole bunch of things.
I'm so fascinated by him and the fertida brothers and
that business and how it's grown. Fascinating conversation. If you're interested,
(30:58):
go listen to Johnny Drinks podcast and listen to that
episode with Dana White. Really good. He he talks about
something in there that want to ask you about john
This new thing he's got called power slap. I think
that's what it's called that. Look, guys to me, do
you guys know what this is? Power slaps?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
He heard of? This?
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Is this like an energy drink or no move? What
are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So you're aware of the UFC, right, uh MMA, fighters
too and a raw.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I don't I know what power slap is?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Okay, I surprise, No, I don't know. I'm not being
It's okay.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
It's such a big old slap.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I got that, okay, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
So it's two human beings standing across from each other
at about arm's length, and literally you take turns slapping
the other person as hard as you possibly can, and
it's a it's a war of attrition. Whichever person either
gets knocked out.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
And you know this, it's an event a jew itself.
It's like a micro event basically like it's.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's the world's premiere slap fighting promotion.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Got it? Got it?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Well, it just makes me think about again social media, right,
and we've become so accustomed to like short video chemicks.
We get our attention can latch onto something for just
a moment, then it's got to go away. This feels
like the UFC's answer to rather than three rounds, you know,
(32:29):
the last couple of minutes each, you get just some
slaps and then it's done and you're good to go.
I don't know, just what do you what do you?
What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, instant gratification. I said that Dana White. You know,
I watched the reels and the shorts, not even knowing
until we sat down with him his investment major into this.
I didn't know. I didn't know all that, right, I
just I watched it and like you, oh my god.
(33:00):
You go to the next video, and then some girls
jumping up and down, and you go to next video
some guys making a cocktail. So it's like you just
keep going and and you know, in that conversation, he
said that they have more eyeballs on that right now
and views more than all professional sports put together. That's
(33:23):
mean to me, is he said, he goes. You have
to really let that sink in a little bit, the
magnitude of how popular it is, and and that he's
just obviously super excited because he's creating this whole venue
now for it. But yeah, to your point, listen to
(33:43):
the podcast. You got to you got to hear him
dive into it. He's so easy to talk to it
and he's so good with us. I'm humbled and value
his friendship now because he's he likes us and we
like him. And it's been you know, three years since
I first met him, and he's just shared with us
(34:04):
what he can and is as real as what you
think you you get with him. You know, what you
see is what you get. He's that guy. He'll tell
you if he doesn't like it, I'll tell you sorry.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I'll just watching a clip show of like I guess
the trailer for the new season of this thing, and.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
It's pretty jaw dropping.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
I like that the powder their hands up so you
get a nice explosion like Chuck, and.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
It's it's they know what they're doing too. There's there
are a couple where you see where you see guys
obviously get clocked and they deep six to the ground.
But but so like with this, this brings us to
another thing. Matt brought up the point of so I
often call social media as our show is very very
active on it, I have to call social media kind
(34:49):
of the dopamine casino.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
And we know that they're because you know, like you said,
it's the instant gratification. Every body of the Brownie is
the corner piece right on social media. So the the
the one thing I want to ask is there's been
a lot of scuttle but a lot of discourse and
debate about social media and its short form social media
(35:15):
in particular, uh, and possible effects on kids or younger
folks in their formative years. What what do you think
about that? And I know we're like we'd shows that
our show is okay on social media. Your empire is
incredibly accomplished there. And I to me, Johnny Drinks feels
(35:39):
smart and wholesome, right cool and sincerity. Yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Thank you, And I want I want you to expand
upon that because before I answer your question, where you're
going with it? And not to cut you off, but
tell me, what what do you what do you think
our brand is tell me what your your impression is
and then finished that thought about the question. Then I'm
going to yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
And our answers, all three of our answers may differ here.
But for me, what I see is this is a
cool family. That's what I mean. Why I say it's
wholesome right. The first thing is, look at this a
family that actually likes hanging out with each other, which
a lot of people don't have, if we're being completely candid.
(36:26):
And then there's also this what I My favorite kind
of way to communicate education, to educate people is approachable,
entertaining stuff like hey, we're not necessarily experts, but learn
together with us.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
This is cool.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Here's the trick I know. So there's nothing condescending there,
and condescension I think is a great enemy of education.
That's what I would say.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Good point, all right, cool, all right, So you know
your question around and thanks for sharing the thoughts because
that matters. And to answer, where we fit in to society? Right?
Where this digital playing you know, playground tiktoks, shorts, all
(37:15):
this blast of of some of it being just right.
The thing that motivates me is I get a chance
to educate. I get a chance to be realistic. Right.
I'm not a professional bartender, I'm not a mixologist. I'm
(37:36):
a home tender. I'm a father, I'm a husband. I
don't get everything right. And you know, it's okay if
you point out that I did something differently or not
by the textbook. But I don't care because the drink
still tastes good. My family still loves me. Right, and
I wake up with a purpose and I go to
(38:00):
at a night putting closure to things. So there's this continual,
really gift of an opportunity having conversations like this, meeting
with young people and talking to old people about the
same subject matter, and knowing whatever small little role I
(38:21):
have in social media as it relates to the impressionable
younger generation. I'm good with. I'm doing my part. You know.
The misnomer here is but it's alcohol. Yeah, you're you're
teaching young people drink. I didn't even think about that,
No I'm not. Yeah, No, well that's the This is
(38:42):
so very very again poignant for me. When my son
said we're gonna do these videos. We gotta keep going millions,
I might, and he says, Johnny drinks I'm like, why
are you gonna call Johnny Drinks? He goes, because you're John,
I'm John, We're Johnny and we're drinking. I'm like, okay, whatever.
(39:07):
I didn't like the name I got to be I
still to this day, and I said to him, can
you find another name? Like, why is it going to
be Johnny Drinks? Ps. The reason I didn't like it
is because of the association of me being a drinker.
I'm not a big drinker. I drink more now than
(39:29):
I ever did. And that's also on one of our podcasts,
If you Wait, my son had my wife on as
a guest, so it's it's Mama Rondy and that was
a good episode for a lot of reasons. Actually, she's second,
I think in views behind Dana White. So she's got
He's got like thirty thousand views on the YouTube pod
(39:52):
and she's got like two and a half thousand, two
point five. But anyway, my point is, you know, we
talk about that and that episode that I didn't drink
in high school. I didn't drink in college. I started
to drink and experiment with drinking when I really joined
a country club here that I play golf, ats that
(40:13):
was like twenty years ago. So when my son says
we're going to be Johnny Drinks, I'm like, find another name, right,
Because I was very I'm in the finance world. I
was always concerned about image. Takes you takes your lifetime
to build and create your image, and takes maybe seconds
to lose it, your reputation. It can go like that
(40:34):
you do something wrong. So I'm really mindful of what
Johnny Drinks brings to, especially the younger people. So any
opportunity I get to drop some knowledge how to shine
a shoe, how to make a tie, how to make
your bed, how to how to how to how to
jump start your car, you know, whatever it is, I
(40:57):
relish it.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I love that man, because we're old school. Back before
the the idea of podcasts became a thing. We started
off at a company called how Stuff Works, and it
was just the the perfect job for people like yeah,
for people to start sentences with actually at parties, you know, uh,
(41:24):
and people who know too much weird trivia. So you know,
the idea we've always had is world is both understandable
and worth understanding. So that's really meaningful. I'm sorry. I
know I should be asking a question. But I'm just now.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
This is great.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
All right, So we're gonna we are going to take
a huge left turn. Guys, you ready for this?
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Is it okay?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
John?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You grew up in Jersey? Are you still do you
still live in New Jersey?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Okay. Have you seen the Jersey Devil?
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Oh? Well, well there's when you say, that's so funny,
the Jersey Devil. No, I haven't seen the Yo Jersey Devil.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
You probably were exposed to more talk about it than
we would.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what crosses my mind you say
that is the New Jersey Devil's mascot, the Jersey Devil.
So I see it with the credential center any hockey game.
But no, I haven't been the afford to the luxury
of seeing the Jersey Devil.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Let's let's go to it. Let's do Uh. There's a
thing that we like to do. And our fellow conspiracy
realist in the audience always love to play this game
with guests of notes like yourself, sir. We typically about
nine times out of ten when we're in an awesome
conversation like this, our guests will say, you know, I'm
(42:52):
not I don't consider myself like a conspiracy person, and
most people do and honestly should not. So what we
do find is that pretty much ten times out of
ten there's something that people find some sand too. And
that's why we like to play a little round robin
(43:14):
conspiracy true or false quiz. So we're gonna, yeah, we're
gonna fire some stuff at just yes or no? Where
do you think let's go with the one you started with,
which is part of why we play the state. What
do you think about the jfk assassination.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I think there were many organizations involved. I don't think
any one of them could have pulled it off without
the help of another. Kay Cia, the mafia. I mean,
we know, we know who the Patsy was. I mean,
come on, he ballistics and tests and all that stuff
(43:55):
I think prove it's almost impossible for Lee Harvey Oswald
in the school Book Depository, out the window in a movie.
I'm sorry, I don't think that's real, right, I don't
think that he did that on his own. The Zapruder film,
the angles, the sounds that people heard on the Grassy Knoll,
(44:18):
and the law on it. Come on. So that's a
shame that it's a shame that all the what happened
to all the archives of documents and you know the
medical examiner such a.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
It's crazy how Lee Harvey Oswald on one day became
a much better marksman than he had been at any
other moment for the entirety of his life.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
That bullet split in half. That's a superpower.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Yeah, man, And let's not forget our friend Jack Ruby
that that work. Yeah, come on in.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Man, that's actually there was the where was the metal detectors?
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Then?
Speaker 5 (44:59):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (45:02):
So yeah, I don't know, that's that's that's one of
my favorite ones. I've actually been to the school book Depository.
Just as I was there, I was like, wow, this
this is almost I don't know how you could have
did this? So pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
All right, well let's go let's go to one that's huge.
It's like big picture and I don't want to go
religious with this, John, So let's steer clear from a religion,
just more philosophical. Okay, what happens when we die? It
(45:36):
just in your a in where you are right now,
like where do you think?
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Well, when we die, life is over and you know
your body, putting religion aside your soul, you go back
to Earth. It's the recycling process. So physically things become
what they need to be. Spiritually, I believe I'm going
(46:01):
to heaven, and I think that everyone has their own
version of that. Well.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
It is interesting how like, I mean, every every kind
of religious ideology is describing something that is, you know,
somewhat understandable without religion, you know what I mean. You can,
like if we look at it all as like energy transfer,
you know, let's just look at it the most basic science.
See cannot science fiction a science y way, Like everything
energy has to go somewhere. Whatever is in us that
(46:30):
makes us, you know, what we are is some form
of energy, whether that dissipates back into you know, in
the form of heat for example, or just in the
form of like it goes back into the earth. We
know that our bodies, uh if you know, not completely
embalmed and put in a weird casket. Okay, that's some
letting my own biases show there, you know, go back
(46:50):
to the Earth and could conceivably become part of that
cycle of like decay and creation that is life, you know,
And I think that's cool, and it's a little annoying
to me. They make it really hard to just do
that naturally, and then you have to get like special
permission and all this stuff. I think involving is kind
of duelish, you know, and it's sort of counter to
this whole thing. But whatever a soul is, you know,
(47:12):
it's some form of energy, and I think it dissipates.
And if there are you know, traces of things, whether
it be like memories or the idea of hauntings, I
think that's just remnants of energy that kind of you know,
fill up a place where a lot of things have happened,
a lot of people have passed, for example.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Sure, yeah, like the the idea of energy is still
I mean, there are several forms of energy there's still
not understood by modern science.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
I think.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
For I let me be careful. I don't want to
just talk about my personal beliefs here. But maybe a
good analogy would be a song you hear, a song
that you really enjoy, and the notes in there, the
E sharp or what have you, they the concept of
them does not this appear, you know, So there's there's
(48:02):
a there's a there's an interesting thing there if we
took it more more stuff they want you to know,
picking up on what you were saying, nol. However, we
define that kind of stuff, some sort of persistence of energy,
if such exists. Have you do you feel like you've
ever had something that might be considered a paranormal encounter,
(48:24):
like a vision of a ghost or some kind of
entity that that at least you couldn't explain.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
So no, oh yes maybe, Uh here's why.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
It sounds like, here's why.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Here's why. Personally, firsthand, my eyeballs, uh, my body, you know,
movements and no. But my wife and my friends, yes,
So through them, I believe that I believe that those
things exist. My wife and my friend are certain, and
(49:04):
they've given specific examples and times where it's occurred. So
I'm again, I'm an easy guy to kind of sell to, right,
I said it earlier, like, give me some facts. I'll
listen and give me some so I believe them, And
so why why don't I just I'm not going to
discount that at all. There's those whole sorts of energy
(49:26):
forms out there.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
It's like you you know, it's it's similar to the argument,
I mean, this is imperfect, but it's similar to saying
I've never been to Australia but but I know pe
like I trust the people who have right.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yeah, but does the water go the opposite way?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
You know, it's one of It's on my bucket list. Man,
I'm going to be I'm going to be in the lane. Yeah,
you're in the plane. When we cross over, I'm gonna
flush and yeah, we'll figure out.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
I've heard people say that's not true, that's that's falls.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
And what if you flush right when you're getting to
the crossover point?
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Is that's what I say, that.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Flushing the water because it's the turning point.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Okay, while we're on the Parado one more, there is
a quick one extraterrestrials visiting Earth, however defined.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
Yes, No, I'm thinking I'm thinking area fifty one. I'm thinking,
you know, I don't know. That's a tough one for me. Again,
I would say, yes, there is, but I'm not gonna
go talking about it or go intently looking for it
and and listening to Again, you bring someone in front
(50:45):
of me that can give me some information, maybe factual
and substantial. I want to hear about it, so I
will ever say no, I won't say never.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Show me the alien says John, Yeah, I'm by the call.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
I mean, I don't want just a lump of a
pile of mashed potatoes that you form into you know,
this this extra you know thing that you believe, you
know from the universe.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah, no, he busted us. Yeah, it is a pile
of mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I got one last one, I promise. Okay, So you've
had all this experience in the financial sector and you've
you've dealt with you know, you yourself are a very
important person in that world, and you've dealt with a
lot of important people in that world. There is often
this conception that the most wealthy and powerful people in
(51:36):
the world do work together and they have they get
in these groups like we talked about, like the Illuminati,
and there's a real fear maybe of that or maybe
a fascination with that concept in the public. Just I mean,
if you were a part of the Illuminati, you couldn't
tell us John, And that's fine. But what I mean is, like,
do you ever oh, okay, we got that, guys. No,
(51:57):
I'm just but like have you you're talking about country
club Often I think about country clubs of the world
as being the closest thing to like an illuminati, because
it's just people who you know, get together and hang
out and they're often influential people. Yeah, do you like,
have you seen anything like that where it's just like, Wow,
(52:18):
this feels a little off or does it? What do
you what do you think?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Well? I think so the word country club has this stereotype.
Every time I say country club, I think I think
it's blue bloods with scarves and mucking it up. And
if you saw the guys that hang around with at
my country club, first of all, you wouldn't believe it.
(52:44):
These guys are having way too much fun, and it
doesn't it just doesn't add up. The optics of it
just don't add up because it's just a group of
guys self in my case, self made guys. These aren't
This is not generational wealth that's handed down. And you know,
I didn't grow up at a country club. My father,
(53:07):
blue collar, worked thirty years in American airlines, made fifty
thousand dollars. I think at its highest point, right his
highest incum maybe been sixty thousand dollars. The point is,
this is just a group of guys and found this
convenience in our backyard, in our sandbox here in the
(53:28):
town and the community we live in. And when I
tell you, and I'm going to kind of I don't
know if I'm getting off subject here, but so that
country club. You can belong to a country club for
five thousand dollars. Okay, that's a lot of money, but
it's not like it's five hundred thousand dollars for only
the affluent, wealthy, wealthy wealthy. Okay. So to back to
(53:55):
your kind of your question, Matt, is you know, so
here we are a group of guys and there's a
lot of multiples and layers of these people that are
just using this place as they're sandbox and you know,
a place to recreationally either have dinner or you know,
play golf or in my case, they play paddle, they
(54:15):
play pickle, they play tennis. I mean, it's just a
really a great location. And when you can hang with
somebody for an extended period of time, it's like anything else.
What do you do for living? What do you do
for living? Oh, you're a landscape great, I want to
do a patio. Will you help me? Sure? Let's get
that guy he does mason work. Let's get this guy.
(54:36):
That's how it works, and that's the way It works
in every layer and decibel as you go higher and
high or hire through where you want to go. You
want to go to government, you want to go to
Wall Street, you want to go. That's the way it
is in the world. So yeah, I mean, it's just
a shame if it gets out of control and people
(54:57):
abuse it. But that's American read for you too. Like
a whole other conversation.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Okay, job, we're gonna we're gonna hit you with one
that's uh, not a yes or no question. Really here
it is. Did you know that there is a genuine
conspiracy about glitter? Like arts and crafts glitter?
Speaker 4 (55:20):
I know the I know the bedazzle craze. You can.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
Though, well, uh, while back we found out that there's
a genuine like we find conspiracies, actual ones all throughout
the world, very different from the theories. And while back
we learned that there is a massive conspiracy in the
world of glitter and and Noel, do you want to
you want to kick the facts?
Speaker 6 (55:45):
Yeah, that's one of our favorites. I mean, just the
idea that you know, who's buying all the glitter. There's
like a finite number of plants, let's call them our
manufacturing interests that their job is to create different colors
of glitter.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
This is like a thing.
Speaker 6 (55:58):
But they obviously are selling it to companies like Crayola
that might make slime making kits or whatever. You know,
Elmer is rather making these like glitter slime and whatever
our arts and crafts of it all. But their top
I think maybe two uh you know, I guess customers,
let's call them clients, are secret, are.
Speaker 5 (56:19):
Very purposefully obscured.
Speaker 6 (56:21):
And these companies when you speak to like a rep
of like some of the largest glitter manufacturers, they won't
tell you who these customers are. So of course, you know,
in a vacuum of information, Yeah, this stuff kind of thrives,
you know, the speculation glitter.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Most of the glitter is manufactured in Jersey, Jersey.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
And Jersey of course.
Speaker 6 (56:43):
You know, he made a face, but you know, And
in looking into this, we discovered that there are a
couple of options and most likely, uh, it is something
to do with military and something a concept called micro taggants.
That's basically like if you use a certain brand of taser,
when you ploy that taser, it will leave behind these
little traces that are basically like kind of tiny cuts
(57:07):
of plastic. You can maybe call it more confetti than glitter,
but it still comes from the same kind of operation.
That way, you can figure out what the It's sort
of like, you know, rifling on a gun barrel, so
you can kind of do forensics to figure out where
the bullet came from, so you can solve the crime.
Only this is like solving the taste crime. So why
there's there's a reason bringing this up?
Speaker 3 (57:27):
As you know, as Bath said, this is in Jersey
and John, we know you're very busy, but we'd like
to put you on the case. You know, in the
country club of this podcast, we're hanging out and we're
just we're just four guys and one of us happens
to be from Jersey, so we're saying, hey, man, yeah,
will be on the case. We're kidding this.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
I have one I have one real last question. It
is aynesw Or no question. Did we go to the Moon?
Speaker 4 (57:56):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (57:59):
Easy, you're not asking.
Speaker 4 (58:00):
You mean.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
We faked the footage of the moon landing. But for
budget purposes, it was cheaper to go to the Moon
and fake it.
Speaker 4 (58:14):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (58:16):
That's that's how it works. John, Thank you so much
for coming on the show today. Uh, this is like
we said at the top, this is a continuing conversation
that started in Texas, and uh we're going to continue it. Uh,
we're going to continue it in the future very much.
Hopefully everybody check out the Johnny Drinks podcast. You already
(58:38):
know about them on social media. There it is, Uh,
look at that.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
This is I just got the This is a corehole
beam bagne.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
You can also learn more on Johnny Drinks dot com. Uh,
you can check out there's a we're talking about the
origin story. There was an interview I quite liked on
vuying pair dot com that talks a little bit about
that legendary first video.
Speaker 4 (59:04):
Old that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
Do check it out and tell us how the steaks are.
Folks over there at tell Frisco. H John, Where can
people learn? In addition, where can people learn more about
you guys, your work, your upcoming projects and so on.
Speaker 4 (59:22):
I think the podcast is the best way because it's
just long and form like this, we get to talk
about it and the other stuff is just entertainment, right,
it's the short little bursts. So, like you said, the
instant gratification of the of the tiktoks and the YouTube
a little longer. But yeah, listen, I appreciate you guys.
This was excellent. I'd love to do it again. I'm
going to find out what I can about glitter and
(59:44):
I'm going to just continue. Maybe I could do it
a drink with glitter. No, no, I just I don't know.
Maybe's something will pop out of it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
Well, hey, we we missed seeing your son John and
Uncle Steve. We're you know, we miss seeing those guys.
Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
So we'll get something. Well, thank you, I'll pass that along.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
See look at that. You know what I love about this,
about this conspiracy quiz we do at the end, you guys,
no matter who it is, every time, there's at least
one thing right where they they don't don't buy the
official narrative.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Oh yeah, definitely. You know. I am a little saddened
we didn't get to talk to Johnny, I guess John's
son for this episode, or Uncle Steve that we met
a little while see. Oh, but it was great to
talk with John and just to get a little bit
of his backstory and hear his take on things. I
think just his you know, his knowledge in the financial sector.
(01:00:47):
And just the experience he's had there was really revealing,
hopefully for all of us.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Yeah, and some of the stuff he has conveyed may
indeed be prescient in some upcoming adventures of stuff they
don't want you to know, especially the financial aspects. And
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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nolan.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
They call me Ben. We're joined, as always with our
super producer, Max Freight Train Williams. Most importantly, you are here,
and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
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We are examining a wide range of things in what
(00:50):
is part of a continuing conversation we started in Austin,
Texas some time ago. We're not diving into this alone, folks.
We are joined with the man, the myth, the legend,
John Rondie Sr. Also known as to many of our listeners,
the creator of Johnny Drinks. Sir, thank you for coming
(01:13):
on the show today.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh come on, this is awesome. I love it.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Man.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
I gotta say like the shadow boxing. It was a
good move there, and I like the risk whatever you
call those, the cuffs, the wrist.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I know you got something.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
This is my Red Vanley Listen. I have the pleasure
luxury of being afforded a lot of swag.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yeah, they thought that was stuff we all get. How
can we didn't get that.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I'm in front of the camera a little more. Baby,
it works.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
You're looking good, John.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
We're glad to have me here today to talk about
I like you like Ben said a bit of a
grab bag episode today, which is great because we're going
into a long weekend.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Everybody likes a grab bag.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah. Well, before we get started, though, let's talk about you, John,
who you are, what the Johnny Drinks podcast is in
Johnny Drinks in general, how it came to be, and
the fact that you've made this thing with your son,
which you know as a father, it's like one of
the coolest things.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's well unbelievable that I get to
share the story, the message, the journey. Right, It's just
been something that came to us. The bottom line is,
my son and I didn't set out to do this. Right.
We literally filmed a video of me making a cocktail.
(02:36):
I made the cocktail, he videoed, it went viral. The rest,
as they will say, becomes the history of our journey.
Because after that first video, that was his first TikTok,
so think about this, takes his camera out, says, I'm
going to download the app, downloads the app. Videos in
(02:57):
the app me making a cock It goes over eight
million views, okay. And that next day he's like, we
got to do this again. I'm like, okay, what did
we do? So it's pre COVID February twenty twenty. Make
the cocktail, goes viral. Subsequent to that, do other videos,
(03:22):
and then the pandemic hits in like April, right, So
now we're in we're in lockdown, and everybody's doing what
they're doing, of course, and we just expand upon, you know,
taking up time and space and not driving each other
nuts and just having fun. And that's how it was born.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So you really did. You have continued to strike a
chord with people, not just on TikTok, but on any
number of social media platforms, including, as Matt mentioned, the
Johnny Drinks podcast. One of my favorite parts of the
Origin story, John is, uh, the way the way you
(04:04):
explained it, which is super humble. By the way, man
is Okay, we've we've made you make the cocktail, right,
and uh, you're you're making Manhattan's and after after you
make the Manhattan you're you're basically just doing it because
you're all going out to uh a steakhouse Del Frisco's.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, And so my favorite part of this story is
the way I've read it in a couple of iterations,
is that you guys go and you're having dinner and
all of a sudden, the phone goes nuts. Right, So
I really thought this was just something entertaining to do
for a second.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, listen, I know. Yeah, I gave you the
briefed version. I'm happy to like now expand a little
bit and dissect it. But when we were out to dinner,
and again it was my nephews, my brother in law,
my sons, so it was just guys being dudes, pregaming
my basement, make the cocktails. We go out to Del Fresco's,
(05:04):
and at dinner, Johnny's like that that videos doing really well.
I'm like, you know, oh great, one hundred thousand views, Dad, dessert,
we're close to a million views. I'm like great. We
get in the car, Dad, this thing is going. I'm like,
(05:24):
where's it going?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, it's going.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
My brother in law, who's fifty eight years old, we're
looking at you, Ollie, what are they talking about? It's
going and then subsequent next day, the next day, traction
it's building. I'm like, wow, okay, cool, it's just fun.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Let's let's talk about that revenue streams, right, Like, did
you ever think in your wildest dreams that this thing,
whatever social media is, could be a viable revenue stream
for I mean for anybody. It's pretty nuts.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I believe it. Matt ben Noel. If you guys heard
what I said to everybody the first let's say, six
months into this whole thing, it's like, this isn't real.
This is such bs. This is like, you know, killing time,
but it's like, what are we doing. I actually made
(06:17):
a deal with my son. I said, Okay, here's what
we're gonna do. You know this is cute, This is cute.
I have a full time job in twenty twenty. I'm
in the mortgage business. I mean, in thirty two years,
I am cranked out, busy, out of my mind that
it was one of the best years in the mortgage industry.
Twenty twenty. Everyone's refinancing, everyone's locked down. Okay, you might
(06:43):
not relate to that because you may have had a
mortgage or needed a mortgage, But it was one of
the best years I ever had.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You hit on some things that are really interesting on
my ends, and I think our listeners will find this
fascinating as well. You said the words, you know it experimental, right,
we're expanding h And you also mentioned your extensive experience
in the world of finance, in the world of mortgages,
I saw. I saw a really compelling conversation you had
(07:15):
with a colleague regarding what was it eight right?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, yeah. And for many of us, like when this
show was first a twinkle in some ill advised eyes
of some kids who were certain they would get fired
by the way we we were, this was something that
was on everybody's mind. And I think for a lot
(07:41):
of people, we see this cyclical, like the same batch
of conspiracy theories get thrown around regarding regarding the ideas
of crashes, recessions and so on. And what do you
think for we're the average person who doesn't have your
(08:02):
depth of experience here, how would you respond when people
say there are conspiracies afoot in the world of finance?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, yeah, you know, listen, I think and I'm on
a conspiracy theorist person or advocate of sort of life.
But I believe things. So if you if you have
things that you would bring to light as fact, I
want to hear it. I'm listening. I'm still trying to
figure out who killed JFK. I'm all about let me
(08:35):
hear it because it's cool, right. But the more you
hear then the more you get to kind of deduct
for yourself. And that's the nice part about why you
guys are even doing what you're doing. Right. So, when
we think about the financial crash of eight specifically in
that conversation, everyone was contributing to it. There were and
(09:00):
always will be people in the financial world that will
take advantage of their position. Right, It's like us hanging out.
We hang out with each other. We're accountable excuse me
to each other. We get a little creative with each other.
(09:21):
You're foolish if you don't think those people in those
proverbial ivory towers don't do the same thing that they
don't talk and they don't learn how to encode, so
they cover their butts figure out ways to monetize and
make money off.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
For sure, anytime we talk about secret societies or kind
of clandestine meetings. It usually boils down more to networking
events than it does to some sort of master plan,
you know, And it's the idea of how can you know,
we be the rising tide that carries all both as
long as you trying to eat my lunch, you know,
(10:01):
other wealthy influencing person, And that's who I'm talking to.
So it's a it is there. It is a conspiracy,
but so is business. I mean, like it's so interesting.
The term conspiracy is so loaded, but it really is
just like a way of formulating a plan to.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Put something into action.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
So I mean, the idea of a conspiracy isn't always
as secretive and clandestine as one might think. It really
is just about tactics and strategy and like pushing forth
ideas in the world and sort of being those thought leaders,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Sure, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, you know, I wonder about about mortgages in general,
and I wonder about buying homes right now. It's a
weird time. I was having a conversation with my parents
just about how houses were such a long term investment,
at least that's how they viewed them when they were
growing up. It feels like there's a push for the
(10:59):
short term, you know, turn around the money, basically flip
a house in you know, months or a year or so.
Where do you see all of that heading when it
comes to basically everybody out there listening right now who's
worried about being able to buy property at some point
and it doesn't feel like a goal that's even achievable.
(11:20):
Where where do you see everything going.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, yeah, well you know what, Matt, It's it's inevitable
that you have to leave your parents. You can't live
with them the rest of your life. Right So for
the younger people, it'll happen, whether they kick you out
or you just get tired of it, you're gonna you know,
you'll find your own place. The problem right now is
there's no inventory. There's just there aren't any homes that
(11:46):
in any market. If you were to look at the
homes that were for sale a year ago are available today,
it's like eighty percent less. It's crazy. What's just evaporated,
let alone the prices that have flattened out. So it's
(12:07):
gonna come back. And the person like my son who
is twenty seven, who is looking a year ago, is
now just gonna be patient because it's gonna be a
buyer's market at some point, right, because you can't you
can't hold on to that current home that you really
(12:29):
should put on the market. And for different reasons. If
you're an older person like maybe your parents, well something's
gonna happen, right, Attrition is gonna factor in or usually
gonna say to your kids, hey, you buy it, I'll
sell to you, I'll hold a note. There's gonna be
a change over somewhere. So those people who are in
(12:49):
this market trying to find a house now I feel
bad for it because there's not a lot of options
and they're chasing answer things just to have a bite
of the apple, and they don't even know if it's
really what they want. You know, everyone wants what they
can't have, and all of a sudden, you're making offers
on a house that you'd compromise so much, and you think,
(13:11):
but at least I got a house.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, And sometimes I think a lot of that comes
to as a person who just put off buying a
house until you know, later next year, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They I think a lot of it comes down to this,
these sort of cultural mores that are put upon people.
Sometimes in Shorthand they're referred to as the American dream.
(13:36):
But if you feel this obligation, even if it's not
the right fit for you, then you find your reality
and what you have been taught should be your reality
in conflict. And this brings us to a bigger thing.
Very interested in your thoughts on this one, John, Okay,
phrasing this carefully. I want to get this right. Do
you believe that overall Western society is moving away from
(14:02):
an ownership society to a service or subscription society. This
is something that we have bandied about on the show before.
And when I think of this, I'm not just thinking
of you know, like a lot of the investment firms
maybe in the US and abroad that have been buying
up homes, or you know, foreign nationals representatives of foreign
(14:25):
institutions buying homes big problem in Canada. I'm thinking also
of how subscription services are entering the automobile, like BMW recently,
you know, has these monthly payments you must make for
technology that already exists in the car. Do you think
there's something to that? And if so, are people being
(14:48):
maybe alarmist or hyperbolic or is that a valid concern
people should have.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
So there's it. I'm a simplify it. It's rent versus buying. Right,
it doesn't matter who's how they're renting it, who's owning
it to rent, why they're doing it Airbnb, vrbo, it's
rent versus by. My son and I just had on
our podcast this conversation rent versus buy. And so I
(15:17):
think that while the American dream, or part of what
I say is like the three pinnacles of one getting married,
to owning a home, and three having children may not
fit everybody, those are the three pillars right for most people.
(15:39):
And if you can get one out of the three, great,
get you go three for three, fantastic, But I think
everyone would love to just get at least, you know,
a shot at one of those in their lifetime. Renting
right now is so attractive because those people who are
(16:03):
in a position right to to control it have made
it so convenient. They've made it such that now there's
these worlds within the world, in the community, and you
know you can you can find this at every demographic right. So, Matt,
your parents are older mine or older, everyone's got hopefully
(16:26):
you know parents that can still enjoy you know, their
their their senior years. But they have all these communities
now that they're doing everything. I mean, right, who's not
playing pickleball? My fam was, you know, eighty five years
old playing pickaball. I can't walk?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Where did that come from? What are you taking over malls?
What the hell is anyway?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah? But no, But so that's exactly right. Everything has
found this uh social aspect greater today than ever before.
My son John lives in this complex in Jersey City,
and guys, it's like just beautiful, beautiful young people in
(17:13):
and out, all sorts of demographics, right, and then they
have on the roof day of this pool. They have
all this area and they hang out, like gosh, who
does want to live here? So that's where Ben, I
think it's it becomes very easy maybe for the subscription
(17:34):
mind you know, mindset, I don't want to buy the car.
I'll just let me tell you. You know, we borrow
it here and they use it for this purpose then
and you know, rent it for the time they need
and when you need it. Right. So, but but I
I think that the ultimate goal still is being one
(17:55):
of those pillars, is to buy it to have it.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Well, I mean you know.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
I I recently bought a home and I was terrified
to do it for the longest time. I had one
in a previous life when I was married, when my
kid was really young, and we sold that house and
I rented ever since. But I did have that kind
of fomo sort of like you know, fear of like
being left behind, left in the dust. I'm like, how
come all these friends of mine were younger than me
or buying houses, Like I, what's the deal? What am
I missing? And I think that is a danger in
(18:21):
and of itself. It It wasn't until I was just like, look,
I'm gonna take a look at Sloman and I have
my kid's best friend's mom's realtor, and I looked at
like six or seven in one day, and I saw
a place that I'm sitting in the basement of right now.
I'ma have a recording studio, and it's very important to me.
I'm like, I do music. And I've been shoving all
my gear that I've been collecting since I was a
teenager into a spare bedroom for years. And I saw
(18:42):
the space and I was like, think what I could
do with the space. It would change my life it
would change my life to be able to have this
space to put all my stuff in, to be creative
in my own home. That's what twisted the key for
me and made me like, now I want it in
a way that's not just I'm sad that I'm being
left behind. So I think to your point, like it
is important to realize, like what do you actually want?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
What are you going for in your life?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Is it smart for you to be able to own
a place, or is it better or more advantageous to
you just to continue to rent, because there is anything
inherently wrong with renting. It was for me this silly,
kind of childish fomo that then was replaced by Okay, no,
now I actually want this for a real reason for
my life.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, good point. It makes sense.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And we'll pause here for a word from our sponsor.
Then we'll return with Johnny Drinks. And we have returned.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Guys, I want to jump back to something we were
talking about before, and I'm trying to connect some ideas
here to come up with something interesting. Okay, so you've
got the show Johnny Drinks. It is just centered on
those drinks, even though that's not what the Johnny Drinks
podcast is about right, it's about way more things than that.
But the Johnny Drinks persona of the social media presence
is about drinks. You got what is the thing? Yeah,
(20:05):
you sell a smoker, I think, and it is just awesome.
We got to see Brian bomb Gardner do it like
right next to me. It was incredible. So there's we're
talking about revenue streams, we're talking about drinks. I want
to get back to prohibition and the times in the
United States when alcohol became illegal, because I think there's
(20:25):
a there's a something really interesting there with finding a
revenue stream at a time when it was illegal to
make money on that thing, but there was a will
and there were ways to still make money on that thing.
And I just wonder if over your years, because are
(20:46):
you from New York or New Jersey? From New Jersey,
New Jersey, So I just wonder if you had any
just I don't know, just living in that area talking
with people being in the financial sector. Just I wonder
if you've ever heard stories or anything just when it
comes to like the real wealth that was built from
prohibition that was underground and then turned into legitimate businesses
(21:08):
or something.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, Well, you know, listen, there's people that are very resourceful, right,
people who are entrepreneurial and opportunists, regardless of whatever society
smashes you in the face with. So we have prohibition,
the Great Depression, you know, things that as you reflect
(21:31):
back in and out of society and times where it
got really hard, people are going to be creative. I mean,
I will not say, let's talk about the mob and
get into that, but who exploited it more than them?
They although again the stereotypes associated with it are well deserved.
(21:56):
You know, they did it. They found a way through
prohibition to make a business or businesses. You know, there's
the speakeasies, and to your you know, I guess your
question about being in this area, there's some still some
speakeasies that are original that I've been to, and there's
(22:18):
one there's one down in Atlantic City, New Jersey that
it was so cool just going in there and seeing
everything still the way it was. And it wasn't that
they tore down and got rid of They got rid
of some stuff because some stuff just you know, it
(22:39):
ages out and you can't, you know, can't keep it.
But it's so cool and interesting to see how they
did survive, and how they did facilitate the needs of
men and how women play a role in that, and
then the business models if you would of some of that,
so from from drinking to the socializing and you know,
(23:01):
the police that would come in the front empire. Yeah really, Yeah,
we're walking by which which, by the way, I never watched.
I don't think I watched maybe but a couple of
episodes of Boardwalk Empire, but I.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Sleepd on it.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I watched a few and then I left it. But
then I went back and it's good. It really gets
interesting and history.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
For your background, I think you dig it.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It's based on a lot of historical precedent. We've talked
about prohibition the past, and I love the I love
what you're describing here, John, because we know that Faulkner
was right when he said the past isn't really ever over.
I'm paraphrasing, but you know, we see we see the
echoes of these things, and and with prohibition, you know,
(23:49):
there's so much nasty stuff there that happens. Like people
always say, yes, the mob was doing terrible things, while
they forget that the US government knowingly poison and a
ton of people, you know, with denatured alcohol. We also
saw in that short and cartoonishly unsuccessful national experiment from
(24:11):
nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty that nineteen thirty three, excuse me,
that prohibition just didn't work. And as like as a
business model for Uncle Sam, prohibition did not work with alcohol.
But you know, we've had some really interesting conversations with
(24:31):
folks that I won't call them conspiracy theorists, I will
call them advocates, right stakeholders maybe about the modern state
of prohibition for other substances in the US. You know,
I mean, it's it's always the money that moves revenue
stream policy, right, and so, in very divided times in
(24:55):
the United States, one of the few issues that all
sides of the political aisle could agree on is, oh,
we can make money off cannabis. Maybe we should give
that a go. I'm really interested in hearing your opinions
on the idea of prohibition for other substances like should
(25:18):
And hey, if you if you for some reason want
to throw us at curveball and say that you think
alcohol should be illegal again, then by all means, don't
say that. But what do you think about the What
do you think about the people who are saying banning
or current like drug laws are a kind of prohibition
(25:40):
in the modern day.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I don't know enough about it,
and then I don't use it. I'm out of THHD
CBD person at all. I'm just don't. My children and
their friends, it seems like nine out of ten of
them all are doing some format it. But the most
(26:02):
that I do is I'll do the CBD cream once
in a while on my shoulder or my back. But
but I'm really not that that's when you asked them
to be some sort of new prohibition, I would I
don't think so. I think that I think that it's
okay that it's now brought to light. It does help
a lot of people. I think that, you know, the
(26:25):
strains of it are dangerous, which I'm learning because again
my family, kids and friends, they all use it in
this form of self medication that that I don't that
I don't really I think that's a slippery slope. I
think that's dangerous.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
One that alcohol is a is a party two as well, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I'm going caffeine. This is like my second monster.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Yeah, even the medications your doctors prescribe you're still taking it,
so you're self medicating.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but you don't interesting
all about that, And again I don't. I guess this
is the part of anything as a vice, anything that's abused,
anything could be habitually uh and then become an addiction. Right,
this specific conversation about marijuana, let's say THC and you
(27:21):
know all the other options of gummies and the way
you want to enjoy, whether it's recreational or purposes of medicating.
I just I think there's this misnomer that, oh, it's
not addicting, that's the problem for me, because but it
is addicting, right, There's there's a strain of it addicting.
So so that for me would just be a reason
(27:45):
that maybe pump the brakes. It's so you know, what
we used to do or what my generation did younger
here and there, that marijuana is not the same today close, right,
So that's the dangerous.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Part I think is interesting, the idea of addiction to like,
there's there's different sides of it, there's different colors of it.
You can be addicted to driving a car really fast
because it's fun. It doesn't mean that you're physically dependent
on driving a car really fast. You just really like
doing it. So therefore you're going to go for a repeat,
you know, rinse and repeat, so you know. Well, I
(28:21):
don't think necessarily marijuana is like physically addictive. I think
people like it and it works for them, and maybe
some people like it a little too much and probably
use it a little too much. But I do think
there is science in that marijuana is not addictive in
the same way that heroin or cocaine are addictive.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't argue that,
but I say I don't know because I don't know.
What I see is. I'm thinking it is addicting, right,
And here's why. Every young person that I've gotten close to,
and this is one of the advantages I have, TikTok
dad and now this personality, right, I'm telling you, they
(29:02):
bring this to me. Which is just last perfect example,
just last night have people over. Young guys says to me,
he would you mind if I go smoke a little
bit outside? Okt Well, okay, cool. Later find out that anxiousness, anxiety,
(29:26):
you know, irritability, you know, it just helps me. It
helps me sleep, helps my appetite, help suppress helps.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
So yeah, ritual is addictive too, Yeah yeah, right, yeah right.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
So you know that's the part when again I say
to nine out of ten people in my world and
spear are offering this explanation to why they're doing it,
and I'm like, I'm not even looking for it. I'm
not asking why you're doing it. I'm not I'm not doctor.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I'm kind of like proactively justifying, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
So far, there's no prohibition on ads. So guess what
here they are. We'll be right.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Back and we're back with Johnny Drinks.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Guys. I want to jump to a mild addiction maybe
that I have that I think a lot of Americans have.
Reset In fact, yes, monster get out watching two highly
skilled people absolutely fight each other almost to the death
in an octagon or a ring or something like that.
(30:35):
You recently could because this actually ties back to like
Atlantic City and then Vegas and revenue streams. Right, You've
recently spoke with Dana White, president of the UFC, and
now you know entrepreneur does a whole bunch of things.
I'm so fascinated by him and the fertida brothers and
that business and how it's grown. Fascinating conversation. If you're interested,
(30:58):
go listen to Johnny Drinks podcast and listen to that
episode with Dana White. Really good. He he talks about
something in there that want to ask you about john
This new thing he's got called power slap. I think
that's what it's called that. Look, guys to me, do
you guys know what this is? Power slaps?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
He heard of? This?
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Is this like an energy drink or no move? What
are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So you're aware of the UFC, right, uh MMA, fighters
too and a raw.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I don't I know what power slap is?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Okay, I surprise, No, I don't know. I'm not being
It's okay.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
It's such a big old slap.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I got that, okay, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
So it's two human beings standing across from each other
at about arm's length, and literally you take turns slapping
the other person as hard as you possibly can, and
it's a it's a war of attrition. Whichever person either
gets knocked out.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
And you know this, it's an event a jew itself.
It's like a micro event basically like it's.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's the world's premiere slap fighting promotion.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Got it? Got it?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Well, it just makes me think about again social media, right,
and we've become so accustomed to like short video chemicks.
We get our attention can latch onto something for just
a moment, then it's got to go away. This feels
like the UFC's answer to rather than three rounds, you know,
(32:29):
the last couple of minutes each, you get just some
slaps and then it's done and you're good to go.
I don't know, just what do you what do you?
What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, instant gratification. I said that Dana White. You know,
I watched the reels and the shorts, not even knowing
until we sat down with him his investment major into this.
I didn't know. I didn't know all that, right, I
just I watched it and like you, oh my god.
(33:00):
You go to the next video, and then some girls
jumping up and down, and you go to next video
some guys making a cocktail. So it's like you just
keep going and and you know, in that conversation, he
said that they have more eyeballs on that right now
and views more than all professional sports put together. That's
(33:23):
mean to me, is he said, he goes. You have
to really let that sink in a little bit, the
magnitude of how popular it is, and and that he's
just obviously super excited because he's creating this whole venue
now for it. But yeah, to your point, listen to
(33:43):
the podcast. You got to you got to hear him
dive into it. He's so easy to talk to it
and he's so good with us. I'm humbled and value
his friendship now because he's he likes us and we
like him. And it's been you know, three years since
I first met him, and he's just shared with us
(34:04):
what he can and is as real as what you
think you you get with him. You know, what you
see is what you get. He's that guy. He'll tell
you if he doesn't like it, I'll tell you sorry.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I'll just watching a clip show of like I guess
the trailer for the new season of this thing, and.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
It's pretty jaw dropping.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
I like that the powder their hands up so you
get a nice explosion like Chuck, and.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
It's it's they know what they're doing too. There's there
are a couple where you see where you see guys
obviously get clocked and they deep six to the ground.
But but so like with this, this brings us to
another thing. Matt brought up the point of so I
often call social media as our show is very very
active on it, I have to call social media kind
(34:49):
of the dopamine casino.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
And we know that they're because you know, like you said,
it's the instant gratification. Every body of the Brownie is
the corner piece right on social media. So the the
the one thing I want to ask is there's been
a lot of scuttle but a lot of discourse and
debate about social media and its short form social media
(35:15):
in particular, uh, and possible effects on kids or younger
folks in their formative years. What what do you think
about that? And I know we're like we'd shows that
our show is okay on social media. Your empire is
incredibly accomplished there. And I to me, Johnny Drinks feels
(35:39):
smart and wholesome, right cool and sincerity. Yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Thank you, And I want I want you to expand
upon that because before I answer your question, where you're
going with it? And not to cut you off, but
tell me, what what do you what do you think
our brand is tell me what your your impression is
and then finished that thought about the question. Then I'm
going to yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
And our answers, all three of our answers may differ here.
But for me, what I see is this is a
cool family. That's what I mean. Why I say it's
wholesome right. The first thing is, look at this a
family that actually likes hanging out with each other, which
a lot of people don't have, if we're being completely candid.
(36:26):
And then there's also this what I My favorite kind
of way to communicate education, to educate people is approachable,
entertaining stuff like hey, we're not necessarily experts, but learn
together with us.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
This is cool.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Here's the trick I know. So there's nothing condescending there,
and condescension I think is a great enemy of education.
That's what I would say.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Good point, all right, cool, all right, So you know
your question around and thanks for sharing the thoughts because
that matters. And to answer, where we fit in to society? Right?
Where this digital playing you know, playground tiktoks, shorts, all
(37:15):
this blast of of some of it being just right.
The thing that motivates me is I get a chance
to educate. I get a chance to be realistic. Right.
I'm not a professional bartender, I'm not a mixologist. I'm
(37:36):
a home tender. I'm a father, I'm a husband. I
don't get everything right. And you know, it's okay if
you point out that I did something differently or not
by the textbook. But I don't care because the drink
still tastes good. My family still loves me. Right, and
I wake up with a purpose and I go to
(38:00):
at a night putting closure to things. So there's this continual,
really gift of an opportunity having conversations like this, meeting
with young people and talking to old people about the
same subject matter, and knowing whatever small little role I
(38:21):
have in social media as it relates to the impressionable
younger generation. I'm good with. I'm doing my part. You know.
The misnomer here is but it's alcohol. Yeah, you're you're
teaching young people drink. I didn't even think about that,
No I'm not. Yeah, No, well that's the This is
(38:42):
so very very again poignant for me. When my son
said we're gonna do these videos. We gotta keep going millions,
I might, and he says, Johnny drinks I'm like, why
are you gonna call Johnny Drinks? He goes, because you're John,
I'm John, We're Johnny and we're drinking. I'm like, okay, whatever.
(39:07):
I didn't like the name I got to be I
still to this day, and I said to him, can
you find another name? Like, why is it going to
be Johnny Drinks? Ps. The reason I didn't like it
is because of the association of me being a drinker.
I'm not a big drinker. I drink more now than
(39:29):
I ever did. And that's also on one of our podcasts,
If you Wait, my son had my wife on as
a guest, so it's it's Mama Rondy and that was
a good episode for a lot of reasons. Actually, she's second,
I think in views behind Dana White. So she's got
He's got like thirty thousand views on the YouTube pod
(39:52):
and she's got like two and a half thousand, two
point five. But anyway, my point is, you know, we
talk about that and that episode that I didn't drink
in high school. I didn't drink in college. I started
to drink and experiment with drinking when I really joined
a country club here that I play golf, ats that
(40:13):
was like twenty years ago. So when my son says
we're going to be Johnny Drinks, I'm like, find another name, right,
Because I was very I'm in the finance world. I
was always concerned about image. Takes you takes your lifetime
to build and create your image, and takes maybe seconds
to lose it, your reputation. It can go like that
(40:34):
you do something wrong. So I'm really mindful of what
Johnny Drinks brings to, especially the younger people. So any
opportunity I get to drop some knowledge how to shine
a shoe, how to make a tie, how to make
your bed, how to how to how to how to
jump start your car, you know, whatever it is, I
(40:57):
relish it.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I love that man, because we're old school. Back before
the the idea of podcasts became a thing. We started
off at a company called how Stuff Works, and it
was just the the perfect job for people like yeah,
for people to start sentences with actually at parties, you know, uh,
(41:24):
and people who know too much weird trivia. So you know,
the idea we've always had is world is both understandable
and worth understanding. So that's really meaningful. I'm sorry. I
know I should be asking a question. But I'm just now.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
This is great.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
All right, So we're gonna we are going to take
a huge left turn. Guys, you ready for this?
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Is it okay?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
John?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You grew up in Jersey? Are you still do you
still live in New Jersey?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Okay. Have you seen the Jersey Devil?
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Oh? Well, well there's when you say, that's so funny,
the Jersey Devil. No, I haven't seen the Yo Jersey Devil.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
You probably were exposed to more talk about it than
we would.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what crosses my mind you say
that is the New Jersey Devil's mascot, the Jersey Devil.
So I see it with the credential center any hockey game.
But no, I haven't been the afford to the luxury
of seeing the Jersey Devil.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Let's let's go to it. Let's do Uh. There's a
thing that we like to do. And our fellow conspiracy
realist in the audience always love to play this game
with guests of notes like yourself, sir. We typically about
nine times out of ten when we're in an awesome
conversation like this, our guests will say, you know, I'm
(42:52):
not I don't consider myself like a conspiracy person, and
most people do and honestly should not. So what we
do find is that pretty much ten times out of
ten there's something that people find some sand too. And
that's why we like to play a little round robin
(43:14):
conspiracy true or false quiz. So we're gonna, yeah, we're
gonna fire some stuff at just yes or no? Where
do you think let's go with the one you started with,
which is part of why we play the state. What
do you think about the jfk assassination.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I think there were many organizations involved. I don't think
any one of them could have pulled it off without
the help of another. Kay Cia, the mafia. I mean,
we know, we know who the Patsy was. I mean,
come on, he ballistics and tests and all that stuff
(43:55):
I think prove it's almost impossible for Lee Harvey Oswald
in the school Book Depository, out the window in a movie.
I'm sorry, I don't think that's real, right, I don't
think that he did that on his own. The Zapruder film,
the angles, the sounds that people heard on the Grassy Knoll,
(44:18):
and the law on it. Come on. So that's a
shame that it's a shame that all the what happened
to all the archives of documents and you know the
medical examiner such a.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
It's crazy how Lee Harvey Oswald on one day became
a much better marksman than he had been at any
other moment for the entirety of his life.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
That bullet split in half. That's a superpower.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Yeah, man, And let's not forget our friend Jack Ruby
that that work. Yeah, come on in.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Man, that's actually there was the where was the metal detectors?
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Then?
Speaker 5 (44:59):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (45:02):
So yeah, I don't know, that's that's that's one of
my favorite ones. I've actually been to the school book Depository.
Just as I was there, I was like, wow, this
this is almost I don't know how you could have
did this? So pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
All right, well let's go let's go to one that's huge.
It's like big picture and I don't want to go
religious with this, John, So let's steer clear from a religion,
just more philosophical. Okay, what happens when we die? It
(45:36):
just in your a in where you are right now,
like where do you think?
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Well, when we die, life is over and you know
your body, putting religion aside your soul, you go back
to Earth. It's the recycling process. So physically things become
what they need to be. Spiritually, I believe I'm going
(46:01):
to heaven, and I think that everyone has their own
version of that. Well.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
It is interesting how like, I mean, every every kind
of religious ideology is describing something that is, you know,
somewhat understandable without religion, you know what I mean. You can,
like if we look at it all as like energy transfer,
you know, let's just look at it the most basic science.
See cannot science fiction a science y way, Like everything
energy has to go somewhere. Whatever is in us that
(46:30):
makes us, you know, what we are is some form
of energy, whether that dissipates back into you know, in
the form of heat for example, or just in the
form of like it goes back into the earth. We
know that our bodies, uh if you know, not completely
embalmed and put in a weird casket. Okay, that's some
letting my own biases show there, you know, go back
(46:50):
to the Earth and could conceivably become part of that
cycle of like decay and creation that is life, you know,
And I think that's cool, and it's a little annoying
to me. They make it really hard to just do
that naturally, and then you have to get like special
permission and all this stuff. I think involving is kind
of duelish, you know, and it's sort of counter to
this whole thing. But whatever a soul is, you know,
(47:12):
it's some form of energy, and I think it dissipates.
And if there are you know, traces of things, whether
it be like memories or the idea of hauntings, I
think that's just remnants of energy that kind of you know,
fill up a place where a lot of things have happened,
a lot of people have passed, for example.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Sure, yeah, like the the idea of energy is still
I mean, there are several forms of energy there's still
not understood by modern science.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
I think.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
For I let me be careful. I don't want to
just talk about my personal beliefs here. But maybe a
good analogy would be a song you hear, a song
that you really enjoy, and the notes in there, the
E sharp or what have you, they the concept of
them does not this appear, you know, So there's there's
(48:02):
a there's a there's an interesting thing there if we
took it more more stuff they want you to know,
picking up on what you were saying, nol. However, we
define that kind of stuff, some sort of persistence of energy,
if such exists. Have you do you feel like you've
ever had something that might be considered a paranormal encounter,
(48:24):
like a vision of a ghost or some kind of
entity that that at least you couldn't explain.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
So no, oh yes maybe, Uh here's why.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
It sounds like, here's why.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Here's why. Personally, firsthand, my eyeballs, uh, my body, you know,
movements and no. But my wife and my friends, yes,
So through them, I believe that I believe that those
things exist. My wife and my friend are certain, and
(49:04):
they've given specific examples and times where it's occurred. So
I'm again, I'm an easy guy to kind of sell to, right,
I said it earlier, like, give me some facts. I'll
listen and give me some so I believe them, And
so why why don't I just I'm not going to
discount that at all. There's those whole sorts of energy
(49:26):
forms out there.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
It's like you you know, it's it's similar to the argument,
I mean, this is imperfect, but it's similar to saying
I've never been to Australia but but I know pe
like I trust the people who have right.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yeah, but does the water go the opposite way?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
You know, it's one of It's on my bucket list. Man,
I'm going to be I'm going to be in the lane. Yeah,
you're in the plane. When we cross over, I'm gonna
flush and yeah, we'll figure out.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
I've heard people say that's not true, that's that's falls.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
And what if you flush right when you're getting to
the crossover point?
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Is that's what I say, that.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Flushing the water because it's the turning point.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Okay, while we're on the Parado one more, there is
a quick one extraterrestrials visiting Earth, however defined.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
Yes, No, I'm thinking I'm thinking area fifty one. I'm thinking,
you know, I don't know. That's a tough one for me. Again,
I would say, yes, there is, but I'm not gonna
go talking about it or go intently looking for it
and and listening to Again, you bring someone in front
(50:45):
of me that can give me some information, maybe factual
and substantial. I want to hear about it, so I
will ever say no, I won't say never.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Show me the alien says John, Yeah, I'm by the call.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
I mean, I don't want just a lump of a
pile of mashed potatoes that you form into you know,
this this extra you know thing that you believe, you
know from the universe.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah, no, he busted us. Yeah, it is a pile
of mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I got one last one, I promise. Okay, So you've
had all this experience in the financial sector and you've
you've dealt with you know, you yourself are a very
important person in that world, and you've dealt with a
lot of important people in that world. There is often
this conception that the most wealthy and powerful people in
(51:36):
the world do work together and they have they get
in these groups like we talked about, like the Illuminati,
and there's a real fear maybe of that or maybe
a fascination with that concept in the public. Just I mean,
if you were a part of the Illuminati, you couldn't
tell us John, And that's fine. But what I mean is, like,
do you ever oh, okay, we got that, guys. No,
(51:57):
I'm just but like have you you're talking about country
club Often I think about country clubs of the world
as being the closest thing to like an illuminati, because
it's just people who you know, get together and hang
out and they're often influential people. Yeah, do you like,
have you seen anything like that where it's just like, Wow,
(52:18):
this feels a little off or does it? What do
you what do you think?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Well? I think so the word country club has this stereotype.
Every time I say country club, I think I think
it's blue bloods with scarves and mucking it up. And
if you saw the guys that hang around with at
my country club, first of all, you wouldn't believe it.
(52:44):
These guys are having way too much fun, and it
doesn't it just doesn't add up. The optics of it
just don't add up because it's just a group of
guys self in my case, self made guys. These aren't
This is not generational wealth that's handed down. And you know,
I didn't grow up at a country club. My father,
(53:07):
blue collar, worked thirty years in American airlines, made fifty
thousand dollars. I think at its highest point, right his
highest incum maybe been sixty thousand dollars. The point is,
this is just a group of guys and found this
convenience in our backyard, in our sandbox here in the
(53:28):
town and the community we live in. And when I
tell you, and I'm going to kind of I don't
know if I'm getting off subject here, but so that
country club. You can belong to a country club for
five thousand dollars. Okay, that's a lot of money, but
it's not like it's five hundred thousand dollars for only
the affluent, wealthy, wealthy wealthy. Okay. So to back to
(53:55):
your kind of your question, Matt, is you know, so
here we are a group of guys and there's a
lot of multiples and layers of these people that are
just using this place as they're sandbox and you know,
a place to recreationally either have dinner or you know,
play golf or in my case, they play paddle, they
(54:15):
play pickle, they play tennis. I mean, it's just a
really a great location. And when you can hang with
somebody for an extended period of time, it's like anything else.
What do you do for living? What do you do
for living? Oh, you're a landscape great, I want to
do a patio. Will you help me? Sure? Let's get
that guy he does mason work. Let's get this guy.
(54:36):
That's how it works, and that's the way It works
in every layer and decibel as you go higher and
high or hire through where you want to go. You
want to go to government, you want to go to
Wall Street, you want to go. That's the way it
is in the world. So yeah, I mean, it's just
a shame if it gets out of control and people
(54:57):
abuse it. But that's American read for you too. Like
a whole other conversation.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Okay, job, we're gonna we're gonna hit you with one
that's uh, not a yes or no question. Really here
it is. Did you know that there is a genuine
conspiracy about glitter? Like arts and crafts glitter?
Speaker 4 (55:20):
I know the I know the bedazzle craze. You can.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
Though, well, uh, while back we found out that there's
a genuine like we find conspiracies, actual ones all throughout
the world, very different from the theories. And while back
we learned that there is a massive conspiracy in the
world of glitter and and Noel, do you want to
you want to kick the facts?
Speaker 6 (55:45):
Yeah, that's one of our favorites. I mean, just the
idea that you know, who's buying all the glitter. There's
like a finite number of plants, let's call them our
manufacturing interests that their job is to create different colors
of glitter.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
This is like a thing.
Speaker 6 (55:58):
But they obviously are selling it to companies like Crayola
that might make slime making kits or whatever. You know,
Elmer is rather making these like glitter slime and whatever
our arts and crafts of it all. But their top
I think maybe two uh you know, I guess customers,
let's call them clients, are secret, are.
Speaker 5 (56:19):
Very purposefully obscured.
Speaker 6 (56:21):
And these companies when you speak to like a rep
of like some of the largest glitter manufacturers, they won't
tell you who these customers are. So of course, you know,
in a vacuum of information, Yeah, this stuff kind of thrives,
you know, the speculation glitter.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Most of the glitter is manufactured in Jersey, Jersey.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
And Jersey of course.
Speaker 6 (56:43):
You know, he made a face, but you know, And
in looking into this, we discovered that there are a
couple of options and most likely, uh, it is something
to do with military and something a concept called micro taggants.
That's basically like if you use a certain brand of taser,
when you ploy that taser, it will leave behind these
little traces that are basically like kind of tiny cuts
(57:07):
of plastic. You can maybe call it more confetti than glitter,
but it still comes from the same kind of operation.
That way, you can figure out what the It's sort
of like, you know, rifling on a gun barrel, so
you can kind of do forensics to figure out where
the bullet came from, so you can solve the crime.
Only this is like solving the taste crime. So why
there's there's a reason bringing this up?
Speaker 3 (57:27):
As you know, as Bath said, this is in Jersey
and John, we know you're very busy, but we'd like
to put you on the case. You know, in the
country club of this podcast, we're hanging out and we're
just we're just four guys and one of us happens
to be from Jersey, so we're saying, hey, man, yeah,
will be on the case. We're kidding this.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
I have one I have one real last question. It
is aynesw Or no question. Did we go to the Moon?
Speaker 4 (57:56):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (57:59):
Easy, you're not asking.
Speaker 4 (58:00):
You mean.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
We faked the footage of the moon landing. But for
budget purposes, it was cheaper to go to the Moon
and fake it.
Speaker 4 (58:14):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (58:16):
That's that's how it works. John, Thank you so much
for coming on the show today. Uh, this is like
we said at the top, this is a continuing conversation
that started in Texas, and uh we're going to continue it. Uh,
we're going to continue it in the future very much.
Hopefully everybody check out the Johnny Drinks podcast. You already
(58:38):
know about them on social media. There it is, Uh,
look at that.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
This is I just got the This is a corehole
beam bagne.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
You can also learn more on Johnny Drinks dot com. Uh,
you can check out there's a we're talking about the
origin story. There was an interview I quite liked on
vuying pair dot com that talks a little bit about
that legendary first video.
Speaker 4 (59:04):
Old that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
Do check it out and tell us how the steaks are.
Folks over there at tell Frisco. H John, Where can
people learn? In addition, where can people learn more about
you guys, your work, your upcoming projects and so on.
Speaker 4 (59:22):
I think the podcast is the best way because it's
just long and form like this, we get to talk
about it and the other stuff is just entertainment, right,
it's the short little bursts. So, like you said, the
instant gratification of the of the tiktoks and the YouTube
a little longer. But yeah, listen, I appreciate you guys.
This was excellent. I'd love to do it again. I'm
going to find out what I can about glitter and
(59:44):
I'm going to just continue. Maybe I could do it
a drink with glitter. No, no, I just I don't know.
Maybe's something will pop out of it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
Well, hey, we we missed seeing your son John and
Uncle Steve. We're you know, we miss seeing those guys.
Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
So we'll get something. Well, thank you, I'll pass that along.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
See look at that. You know what I love about this,
about this conspiracy quiz we do at the end, you guys,
no matter who it is, every time, there's at least
one thing right where they they don't don't buy the
official narrative.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Oh yeah, definitely. You know. I am a little saddened
we didn't get to talk to Johnny, I guess John's
son for this episode, or Uncle Steve that we met
a little while see. Oh, but it was great to
talk with John and just to get a little bit
of his backstory and hear his take on things. I
think just his you know, his knowledge in the financial sector.
(01:00:47):
And just the experience he's had there was really revealing,
hopefully for all of us.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Yeah, and some of the stuff he has conveyed may
indeed be prescient in some upcoming adventures of stuff they
don't want you to know, especially the financial aspects. And
I don't know, you know what we should do. Let's
just tell everybody how to get in contact with us.
(01:01:12):
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(01:01:33):
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if you listen to our earlier episodes on big Data
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