May 9, 2023 • 59 mins
In 2018, the New York Times broke a story that baffled most ordinary readers -- until about 2012, the Pentagon had run a multi-million dollar, secretive program to collect numerous reports of unexplained aerial phenomena and unidentified flying objects. So what did the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program actually find? Join the guys as they interview returning guest and filmmaker Jeremy Corbell for a peek behind the curtain into the Pentagon's search for UFOs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ooh, this is a good one.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This classic episode Fellow Conspiracy Realist features one of our
old friends pall of the show, Jeremy Corbel, who is
currently the host of another show called Weaponized Matt.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
You know, back in the day, let's.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
See Jeremy and you and I talked extensively about some
of his documentaries, and I believe he's the guy who
really connected with us on you know, on Uncle Sam's
formerly secret version of Project Blue Book.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, Ben, is it weird to you that for five
years now UAP has been a thing. It's been five
years since we've been talking about UFOs as UAP. I
feel like it just happened.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, oof, it is weird.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I think about the passage of time to quote the talking,
but also also let's give people their props where they're deserved.
Jeremy for many years had been ringing the bell about
this right and came to us always with an open
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hand and just said, guys, I want to spread the
message there's something wonky going on here, and never made
any crazy claims, was never disingenuous, continues his work today.
So I think we're both very we're very grateful for
this conversation into something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Or AA TIP AA TIP Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Here it is from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies.
History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back
now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They call me Ben.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We're joined with our super producer, Paul Decant, the man
behind the curtain here, and most importantly, you are you
that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Today,
we're very excited, friends, neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists, because we
are finally delving into a story that you heard about
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fairly recently. And you may have seen it as an
interesting headline on your Facebook feed if that's where you
get your news. You may have seen a couple of
people commenting on it in Reddit. You may have wondered
why such an earth shaking story hit the headlines and
then appeared to vanish.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Now.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
When I first saw it, I was like, wait, so
this is like an admission that the stuff is real.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, yeah, these programs are real, especially because you were
probably reading it in the New York Times, which you
generally don't read about UFOs.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
There, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I was like, this is the one, this is the
big one. And then it was kind of just like that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
What happened to that story?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right paper of note New York Times, and a journalist
working for the New York Times by the name of
Ralph Blumenthal went public with a front page Sunday article
in The New York Times fairly recently, where it was
entitled Glowing Auras and Black Money, The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO column. Bloomenthal,
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writing with Leslie Keene and Helene Cooper, it introduced the
vast majority of the public, including Matt Noll, Paul and myself,
to something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. And
this blew our collective mind. Yes, we weren't sure what
was up, We weren't sure what was left, what was right,
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where to go, And because we wanted to bring the
most fascinating and most accurate information to bear on this subject,
we connected with one of our experts in the field
in this regard, and we are lucky enough to have
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him with us on the air today. Ladies, and gentlemen,
you may remember him from our previous episode on Allegations
of Alien Implants or Mysterious Implants, The mastermind behind the
film Patient seventeen.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Number twenty five on Netflix and trending right now. By
the way, check it out if you haven't already.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
We'd like to introduce you to Jeremy Corbel.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Jeremy, Hey, gentlemen, thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Of course, So all right, you just I guess we
just started the beginning. Let's go to the day this
article comes out. How much did you know about this
at that point?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Well, I've actually been working on the TikTok ca for
two years and was not allowed to say anything about it,
so I got to see it kind of from the
inside before it was published. You know, I had pre
warning about the published, you know, it being published in
the New York Times and Politico and then getting picked
up by the global media. You know, it was a
big story, is a big story. So luckily I got
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to see it a little bit from the inside.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So can you tell us a little bit about what
the tic Tac incident is?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Sure? Yeah, I mean we should go. You know, here
are other facts. Man, the devil's in the details. And
this is a real conspiracy reality. This is something being
held back from the American and global public, and it
you know, does have a focus on the tic Tac
incident because and that is the case that I was
working on for a couple of years. I had no
way to shield anybody I was speaking with, you know,
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from their secrecy agreements. So it's really great how this
came out. The tic Tac incident off the coast of
California was one of many incidents where there's an anomalous
aerial vehicle or an almost aerols three, depending on how
they want to twist the language, where an object of
unknown origin, no tail numbers, no even wings, was defying
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all ideas that we have about propulsion, gravity and flight.
And this thing was observed within one hundred feet by
the primary pilot, Commander David Fraber, and it was on
every radar that we have and considered a threat of
unknown origin, and it just displayed the most astounding flight characteristics.
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And so that is kind of the core of that story,
that there is unknown technology, unknown craft from unknown origins
that outfly anything that we have. And that was a
two thousand and four case, so pretty current.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Right, and that's I really want to emphasize this for
the rest of the audience here, Jeremy. You mentioned it
was a fighter pilot who is the primary observer. Here,
there were other observers, and these were experts. These were
not people who were walking in a tourist area waiting
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in line to get some street food. These were people
operating out of the USS nimics.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah? In fact, these our most highly trained combat pilots.
There were four visual observers on that particular day. Yet
these events were ongoing for over a week off the
coast of California, being observed by our national defense and military,
and these pilots, having no knowledge of what they were
going to were asked, what ordinance do you have on board?
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We have a real life target for you. And they
were sent out to observe and to engage this anomalous
aerial vehicle. And there are some things about that that
the public needs to know. Not only are these trained observers,
but this object that they engaged did things like actively
jam compared to passively jam their radar and weapons systems,
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which is fascinating because they had the most high tech
available to the United States military or the world at
this time.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And the craft itself did not look like anything we
would understand as an aircraft, right.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
There were no rotors, no wings, no, not even any portholes.
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (08:22):
In my conversations with Commander David Fraber, it was the
most astounding thing he had ever seen in combat or
even in theory, because this object, through the different visual
optics that he had, had no protrusions like wings or
anything like that. It had no exhaust plumes they can
use flear, which is heat sensing. There is no possible
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way that he knew of that this thing could operate,
and in the ways that it did when he was
observing it, it was like a ping pong, bouncing right left,
up down. It was absolutely foolish. The way that it
was moving. It was strange beyond all bleeps. And at
one point it noticed him and it started to target
him and move around his vehicle and shut down his systems.
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I mean, he's quoted as saying in the Boston Herald,
you know it is not something we developed, and that
he believes it's something not from here, not from Earth.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So, Jeremy, you have not only spoken with the fighter
pilot who is the primary witness for this. But you
also followed this story or this phenomenon beyond this specific
instance to a global context. And earlier off air you
said that you had you had some contextualizing points about
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the the the global impact or the backdrop of this phenomenon,
and we were wondering if you could walk walk us
in the audience through the primary let's say, the lay
of the land here or the should we say, the
cast of the sky.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah, sure so, yeah. I have developed a network of
people involved, which you know, the two thousand and four
Nimits event, from radar operators to personnel to the pilots.
So I've been able to see this, you know, from
a larger perspective. But the big news, let's let's step
back to the big news. You know, here are the facts.
You know, first of all, we should know that my mentor,
George Knapp, really broke all of this information first before anybody,
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and you know, he's got his ear to the rail
in a way. We are standing in a place now
within the United States where and the world where we
are being told the number of things. So for example,
you know, here are the facts. It was an announcement
twenty two million dollars was spent by our government to
study the UFO phenomenon that was reported in the New
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York Times, and the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program aat
IP was named secret UFO study something in our airspace,
out running our machine bullet point. A man named Lewis Elizondo,
who's the former director of Programs to investigate Unidentified aerial
Threats for our government. He came forward in that article
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as well, so they identified that there's a threat. Alexander
said in the political article, we had never seen anything
like it. There was frustration within our government. Alixando kind
of made that clear by saying, look, if a Russian
bear bomber comes into near California, it's all over the news.
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These are coming in the skies over our facilities, and
you hear nothing but crickets. And when he says our facilities,
that was a direct quote. We're also talking about nuclear facilities.
So in the public eye, nothing has been studied about
UFOs since the closing of Project Blue Book in nineteen
sixty nine. That's what we were told. Now we know
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that that is completely false. It was also said that
the AATIP program ended in twenty twelve. Right, so this
is right out of the Pentagon. They're saying that program
to study UFOs and in twenty twelve. In fact, that
is false, and we'll get into that when it gets crazy.
There was a fear. This is something else that everybody
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should know. There was a fear that you know, these
incidents and these air craft, these crafts that were witnessing
were not made by humans. This is all the way
up in the chain of command within our Pentagon. And
the other kind of headline news that we learned through
the New York Times article is that former Senator Harry
Reid of Nevada, he initiated this twenty two million dollar
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program to study UFOs and the larger phenomena that we
observe that have to you know, that are beyond UFOs.
There is a very strange link to a very strange
property that this program had a directorate to study, a
place called Skinwalker Ridge. So that's what we know from
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these global announcements that in fact UFOs as a threat
is a hot topic and remains a hot topic since
nineteen sixty nine, when allegedly we stop studying this stuff,
which we now know is not true. So that's kind
of the big point, the big pictures, and they're using
specific cases to help us understand that.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Just to go back quickly to Lewis Elizondo, the person
who was essentially the manager of the program at least
for a time, one thing we found to be extremely
important here with regards to the Pentagon itself studying these things.
He said that even his immediate supervisor at the Pentagon
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was unaware of the program, which, you know, we've we've
talked about segmentation that occurs within the government, within government
groups like that before, within structures where you know, what
is it You just a lot of people won't know
exactly what's going on, what the next person is working on.
Often there's a compartmentalization of information. So perhaps the Pentagon
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overall didn't even really know what was going on.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I guess yeah, it's quite surprising. There is a stove
piping they call it, within intelligence circles of information, so
you know, one hand can't access what the other hand
is working on. And there's a reason for that specifically
in these programs. It's because the implications of this technology.
It is a fierce technology, it is something when weaponized,
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if we could control the forces of nature like these
craft appear to be able to control, that gives any
nation a leg up technologically, a weaponization that other countries,
other nations wouldn't have. So that is the exact reason
why within the intelligence community, Department of Defense and National Security,
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you have this stove piping and compartmentalization. It's important. We
used it for the atomic weapons system, the atomic bomb,
and we use it now in anything regarding UFOs.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And that's that's a very important point of regarding atomic weaponry.
I'm glad you brought up this subject because, from what
we understand, for Senator Harry Reid, the question of missile
defense and nuclear weaponry was one of the at least
according to his public statements, one of the primary motivators
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for his interest in the project. He said that he
had read classified reports about encounters with unidentified flying objects
over US nuclear bases and that during those encounters, just
like how the systems on the fighter planes were scrambled
or disabled, the atomic weapons themselves were somehow disabled in
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these encounters. Do you believe that what that stated motivation
of his was the primary goal or do you believe
there's something more to the story.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Well, I believe that the concept of national defense is
the primary goal. If we don't know how something is
working in its can threat in our nation, then it
is a priority. So yeah, yeah, I do believe in
general that the idea was a how do we protect
ourselves from these vehicles and these technologies that are far
beyond ours that can shut down our nukes at any moment.
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But let's get specific about that. I just had lunch
the other week with Robert Sallas. Robert Salas was in
command of ten minutemen intercontinental ballistic missiles when at his base,
mails from Air Force Base a UFO came in observed.
This is all now public information through FOYA. We got
this information and a UFO, a glowing red UFO, came
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in over the base and it shut down ten independent systems.
And we know specifically what this UFO targeted, which is
the Global Positioning System. Disabled them immediately, just disabled them.
And this is not an isolated event. This happened within
seven days on another base here in America, and also
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we now know in Russia at the same time. So
you have a technology flying with impunity coming over the
most just sure nuclear missile bases are top weaponry in
America and in Russia, and just effortlessly shutting down our
technologies by targeting the positioning systems. Now, this is a problem.
This is a problem, whether it is benevolent and they're
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saying don't play with fire, or if this is some
sort of display of power, which it certainly was. So, yes,
I do believe the motivation is national security.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Well, Reid was quoted in saying I'm glad that this
happened because now we have scientific proof, or I'm glad
this revelation was revealed to the public. And those are
strong words from a politician who's I don't know, one
of their primary jobs seems to be obsfiscation or like
trying to kind of deceive the public in some way,
or like, you know, this is a pretty bold sentiment
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coming from a career politician. Can you speak to that
or how do you feel about that quote?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, well, look his perspective because he did this with
black budget money. I mean, this is not even pushed
through Congress, this is not asked. This is money that
is created and funneled in to these special access programs
where you know, again, most congress person will have no
idea about these programs or what's going on. They are
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not in the need to know, even if they have
the classification. So these are strong words, but it's really
just the beginning of it. There's a lot that Harry
Reid's not explaining. The reason Harry Reid got interested in
this subject at all is because of the Bob Blazar
story and being in a vata politician would talk with
George Knapp, and so he learned that bobzar story is true,
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and he learned that this is something the et technology
or foreign technologies that we don't really have a handle on.
And then it was Upawn and this is something that
people don't know. Again, it's upon understanding the skin Walker
Ranch story that really motivated Harry Reid because he read
George Knapp's book. It motivated him to take this issue
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more seriously and try to initiate funding for it, because
he thought, scientifically, if we can get a handle on this,
even a glimpse, that this is the biggest thing that
has ever happened to national events and humanity. So yes,
I think it's a powerful statement. It's also powerful that
the New York Times Proutthers article and that they admitted
to the advanced A the Aerial Threat Identification Program. I
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mean that is the modern day Project Bluebook, and it
has not ended in twenty twelve, like stated, the only
thing that ended with the partnership with Robert Bigelow a
Bigelow Aerospace to study Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And on that note, we do have to emphasize, yes,
Harry Reid was not acting alone. He did have support
from at least two other senators who went public, Ted
Stevens and Daniel Enue from Alaska and Hawaii, and of
course the founder of Bigelow Aerospace, Robert T.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Bigelow.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Now, longtime listeners, you will recall a previous episodes examining
Project Bluebook, and you may also recall previous mentions of
Skinwalker Ranch. And if you like our show, then you
are definitely going to want to hear the rest of
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our conversation with Jeremy Corbel after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Okay, we're back now. Generally, when I think about the
study of UFOs, I think about governmental organizations and things
like Project Bluebook. I do not usually think about a
private for profit organization having a hand in, you know,
either taking a government contract to study UFOs or aerial
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phenomena or being paid in any way by a government entity.
But in this case, we do have a private aerospace organization,
Bigelow Aerospace, And can you like, what do you know,
Jeremy about their involvement with this whole thing.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Yes, absolutely fascinating. This is a classic chess move by
our United States government. It's like when they put facilities
on Native American as sovereign nation land, where they don't
have to act as if they're under jurisdiction of the
federal government. They can do things outside of the parameters
that are usually on them. So using private industry is
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the oldest trick in the book, and that's what we
saw with the partnership between Bigelow Aerospace and actually the
DA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, the intelligence agency within
the branch of the Pentagon. So this is exactly what happened.
There was a contract put out for this twenty two
million to study what was going on specifically at Skinwalker Ranch,
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but the anomalous aerial vehicles and Bigelow already had an
interest in this and had a property of high activity.
The United States government wanted to understand this technology and
if it was indeed otherworldly and if that is a
national security problem. So that shielding that they got through
using private industry, because you cannot send a Freedom of
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Information Act to private industry, but you could to the DA.
So yeah, so partnering with Bigelow was really the way
that they were able to shield themselves from public scrutiny
to try to get a handle on what's going on.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Dude, before we get crazy, I just have a quick question.
I know Harry Reid's retiring soon, and there was talk,
you know, he was a big he was really against
the whole yucka Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada. And
now I saw an article saying that because he's retiring,
that could go forward without him there to kind of
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guard against it. I'm wondering if, since he was in
such support of this program, you think him retiring will
you know, deflate it in any way.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
No, Actually, I don't think that Harry Reid retiring will
deflate the program, because we're talking about a twenty two
million pro which is like, you know, our military spends
more on viagra for its soldiers than it does twenty
two million per year, and this is over, you know,
seven years maybe, So it's really funny. This topic is
studied through every branch of our military, in every intelligence
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organization that studies are ongoing. So there's no deflating this.
It's just we're hearing about a piece of it. Don't worry.
Our government's on this.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And one of the things that we'll hear when people
bring up that that number, that twenty two million is
you'll hear people say, well, that's twenty two million out
of a six hundred billion annual budget, right, or I
love that statistic about viagra. Just introduced this to which
is my first time hearing it. This this argument to
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supporters seems misleading because it could it sort of circumvinced
the concept of black bag budgets, or it circumventced the
concept of untraceable money, which we know is a real phenomenon,
not just in the Department of Defense, but in other
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world militaries and intelligence agencies. And we have to ask,
with Knowl's earlier question about deflation, we have to ask
what else we don't know? Does a program like this continue,
what does it lead to? What are the other pathways
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in this rabbit hole? And most immediately Jeremy, is this
where it gets crazy.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, I would say this is certainly where it gets crazy.
I'm going to tell you a few points right now
that I think the public is not picking up on,
and it's very important to pick up on them, and
they will blow your mind. So yes, here's where it
gets crazy. So, first of all, the program did not end.
What they're telling you is that that twenty two million
dollar program, that little program that the contract is now
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over since twenty twelve, but the study of UFOs is
still one of the primary studies that everybody's looking at
in the United States military. So don't start to believe
that it ended. It did not end. Now. Also, this
event we talked about the tic TAC event series, the
week long series. That was not an anomaly. It's a trend.
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The tic TAC event was not an isolated event. The
other video that was put out by the Pentagon was
what's called the Gimbal video. Something people don't know, or
very few people know, is that the Gimbal video was
from a completely separate set of events off of the
east coast of California in twenty fifteen. So these frequencies
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of the are increasing. Of these tic TAC and these
these similar things, and the tic TAC event also there
were multiple tic TACs, and there was a USO and
identified submer urged object that was turning the water underneath
you know, the planes as they were flying and looking
at the tic TACs. It was said the tic TAC
seemed to be docking in quotes docking with the USO.
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So it's not isolated the government involvement, it's something else
that where it gets crazy. The DA the DEIA, the
Defense Intelligence Agency, was the one in charge of this
program through the twenty two million dollars, so we're talking
about a major intelligence agency within the United States. In
the article something else another point people didn't really pick
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up on. There were alloys. There were skifs that were built,
you know, to protect information and actual objects at Big
Low Aerospace in Las Vegas, Nevada. These were being held
there foreign to say it nicely, foreign technologies or alloys.
So you know UFO alloys. And I think what we're
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going to learn a lot about in the next year
or so is the atomic layering of these alloys. How
do we know that they weren't created on Earth by
another nation? So keep your eyes out for that, and
don't forget that was said in the article. They were
warehousing alloys. They also mentioned really briefly, and this was
a leak about medical studies for UAP or unidentified flying
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objects or UFOs, whatever you want to call them, encounters
by our government and military personnel. So there are medical
studies on individuals who had prolonged UAP unidentified aero phenomena encounters.
That's something that hopefully we will learn more about. Now
let's talk about demons, since we're going to where it
gets crazy. The program was stopped because people were scared
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lists of being in this all being on the front
page of any news report, because some people believe this
was not the works of aliens or ets, but it
was in fact demonic. This is true. Within our intelligence agencies,
people believe this, and they didn't want it splashed on
the New York Times because they believed it was demonic.
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That is true. That is crazy. So, I mean, I
don't know what it is, but that is wild. The
other thing is the Skinwalker Ranch connection has not been
flashed out, and I'm making a movie on that. I'm
making a movie to show those connections between these recent
UFO events, the twenty two million and the Skinwalker ranch connection,
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and so that kind of leads us to that. But
all of that to me is wild.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And one thing, that's one thing that's interesting when you
mention that people within the government, some of the people
in Uncle Sam's employ felt that there were religious or
spiritual implications about that. We know that can sound insane, folks,
but we have to remember that regardless of what someone's
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occupation is or what the role is, there are still
a human being and they move by these human modives.
So if someone takes if someone interprets a threat seriously
enough right, then they will feel that it is a
moral imperative to report it. So this, uh, while just
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hearing what you heard just now might sound like creepy
pasta on the internet, the fact is that these were
real people. These were genuine government employees who were voicing
these concerns.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, and they're seeing it through their own lens, right.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Which is there's nothing wrong with because you know, I
don't know the ultimate truth. If anybody says they know
the ultimate truth, they're lying. But that perspective is worthy
of an individual who has religious faith to say, this
is my concern. What we're witnessing is the act of
the dabble. You know, these are not aliens, This is
demonic and that in fact halted progress on these studies
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it did, which is pretty intense.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Let's talk a little bit more in depth about skin
Walker Ranch while we're here, because one thing that you
can say for sure about Skinwalker Ranch, whether you are
tuning in as a.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Guide in the world, believer.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
About a very specific aspect of it, or whether you
consider yourself a James Randy esque skeptic, you can easily
admit that Skinwalker Ranch is the subject of intense controversy.
Since we talked about on James Randy, one of the
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messianic figures of the Internet skeptic movement, had said that
he had deemed Robert Bigelow's purchase of Skinwalker Ranch as
a useless study or useless investigation, whereas other people have
sworn that they have seen incredibly anomalous activities such as
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cattle mutilation right the strange, strange objects in the sky.
And what we were hoping to ask you, as you're
our go to expert on this, could you give our
listeners an overview of Skinwalker Ranch as Okay, I'll just
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go to the chase.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
What the heck's going on there? Man?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
It's a great question, and it's easy to throw stones
someone like James Randy at Robert Bigelow saying it's useless
or whatever. But you know what, our Defense Intelligence Agency
did not think it was useless. In fact, Skinwalker Ranch
was the subject of the most intense scientific study of
UFOs and the paranormal by our United States government in history.
(31:44):
So it wasn't just one eccentric billionaire putting his money
behind this. Now we know that. Now we know there
was a partnership made with Thedia. So people can throw
stones and say that sounds ridiculous, and I agree, it
sounds ridiculous. But you wouldn't do a prolonged study at
a place if there wasn't scientific information and data that
you were getting let it be classified or not. So
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let's talk about Skinwalker Ranch, the bullet points or this.
In nineteen ninety eight, real estate mogul self made billionaire
Robert Bigelow a big Low Aerospace. He purchased the four
hundred and eighty acre ranch in northeastern Utah to use
as a living laboratory to study the UFO phenomenon, and historically,
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just to put it out there, this location or this
whole you into basin, has been inundated with bizarre phenomena
going on back generations. So Bigelow just wanted answers to
some you know, some big questions, and he was determined
to find them, regardless of the cost. What happened at
the ranch historically, you know, what's claimed to lurk in
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the shadows goes far beyond UFOs, but bizarre events range
from you know, perplexing to wholly terrifying, vanishing and mutilated cattle,
unidentified flying objects, huge otherworldly creatures, appearing, flying orbs, everything
under the sun. Like a grab bag of bizarre is
(33:11):
what was reported by scientists and locals in this area
for generations. And one family at this ranch, you know,
their life was under siege by these unknown enemies or
entities and nothing could explain it. And they thought maybe
science could and in enters Robert Bigelow and he employed
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a crack team, a pH d level scientists to conduct
long term investigation into the reports of the phenomena, and
the team was tasked to use the ranch as this
living laboratory. You know, that's big low zone words in
the uent to basin. And they quietly and with rigor,
they studied the ranch and what they encountered during that
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study would test their beliefs and even their sense of reason.
And that's what's skin Walker Ranches a living laboratory and
the most scientifically studied paranorma hot body in history. And
our government was involved.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And we're going to get deeper into this story after
a quick word from our sponsor. So jeremy, give us
a little insight on how you've come to acquire what
I've seen from a trailer, boxes and boxes of videotapes
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and documents all about the Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Sure, well, right time, right place, my mentor, George Napp.
You know he's a two time Peabody Awarding award winning,
you know, twenty seven Emmy journalist. The guy breaks stories
right and last day and night for thirty years. Right. So,
one thing that he did was he earned the trust
of those involved by keeping his mouth shut and being
able to be on location, you know, dozens and dozens
(35:02):
of time and working with the scientific teams to just
have a journalistic standpoint on it that one day maybe
he could make a documentary or reveal this info, and
he's let out little bits and pieces. But now that
the ranch has changed hands, all of that has been altered.
We can now tell this story. So poking and prodding
and trying to get the information and what he's collected
(35:25):
and sorting it and corelating it, that's what I've been
doing for the last couple of years. And wow, what
I've been covered through this is truly shocking and interesting.
So that led me to want to make a movie
on it.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Okay, So George Knapp had these documents, and it appears
that he was under some kind of non disclosure agreement,
and that's the I'm trying to understand here. He wasn't
allowed to talk about it for a while.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Yeah, journalistic ethics is more about it. If you're let
in to observe and look at something and your set
you're told you know, as a journalist, you know it
is not the time to talk about this, but I
want it kind of recorded for history. We're not talking
about just documents. We're also talking about footage, actual footage
that goes back twenty years. So this is something that
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he kept his word as a journalist. The moment he
breaks that, people no longer trust him, you know, if
they're a source for him. So he kept his word
and he did not leak any information, although he did
report on it from time to time in the capacity
he could even wrote a book on you know, Hunter
for the Skinwalk or great book it'll get you up
to date on what happened there. So he was able
(36:34):
to put some stuff out, but the meat of it, yeah,
he had to is a human burden as a journalist.
He had to sit on it and those that time
has now.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Gone, and that was a burden that you were also
shouldering for your time researching this this upcoming work. One
thing that's interesting that I know a lot of a
lot of us in the audience are going to ask
and it's completely fine if this and completely understandable. There's
(37:03):
a question that shouldn't be answered on air. You mentioned
that Robert Bigelow no longer owns Skinwalker Ranch, that it
was acquired by another party.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Do we know who that party.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Is and do they wish they were remain anonymous? Are
they affiliated with the government in any way, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
The public does not know who the new owner of
Skinwalker Ranch is. The new owner of Skinwalker Ranch is
not affiliated with the government, to the best of my knowledge,
and the new owner desires to remain out of the
public eye. So I respect that and again journalistic integrity,
and there's you know, no reason to go beyond that.
(37:43):
But yeah, that you know, there is new ownership, and
that is interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Okay, this, I'm really glad that we got that out
into the air. I also wanted to well, Matt Nolan
and I wanted to follow up on something that we
had been thinking about four years and I know you're
on the same page with us here, and that's the
larger concept of disclosure capital D disclosure, And this is
(38:12):
to catch everyone up. This is the idea that there
would be some globally recognized acknowledgement of either evidence of
extraterrestrials visiting in the past, evidence of extraterrestrial life even
if it hasn't contacted Earth, or something like that. Do
you see this announcement by the Pentagon, regardless of how
(38:35):
much SLOW remains classified, do you see this as a
step toward that? Do you believe that disclosure is an
impending phenomenon?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
No, disclosure will not happen. People would go to jail.
It would also be very damaging to the world in general. However,
confirmation is something that appears that we are inching towards
to some people even believe we've had confirmation if you
really read and understand and talk with the people involved
(39:04):
here from the news reports to the television interviews. But
I think it's a very important to understand disclosure with
the capital D. That is a fantasy. People would go
to jail if the United States government says we are
in fact being visited by extra terrestrials and we have
been for a long time, and here's all the information
we've been reverse engineering their technology or attempting to that
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is that people would would go down for that. So
that's not going to happen. But what might happen and
appears we are inching towards, is confirmation, the idea that hey,
there are unknowns, and these unknowns they have to be
piloted if it's what it appears, although all the evidence
shows these are not beings from other star systems visiting us,
(39:50):
but in fact it's much more complex than that. That's
actually what the evidence shows. But yeah, I believe we're
inching towards confirmation of what we do know to a degree,
but no, no disclosure with a capital D. That's that's
just never going to happen in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Well, that's disheartening, Jeremy, because I've been waiting on that
for a long time.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
No, no, no, I'm joking.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
We're totally I guess the reason I'm to We're totally joking.
But it's like, you know, they released They do tend
to release stuff years and years and years later when
it seems like it maybe is irrelevant for actual living humans,
like things about the Kennedy assassination and stuff. But I
feel like you're I agree with you. It doesn't seem
(40:40):
like the government does things like that and for any
other reason than to placate people and not actually to inform.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Right or to get what they want. Remember the eleson
in the room here is that how these craft operate
on the On the last show with you, I said,
the only one thing we know about UFOs is that
it's a huge amount of energy in a very small
amount of space. Scientifically we know that. So now we're
looking again at a fierce technology. It's like the moment
(41:12):
that you learn how to make a nuclear reactor for power.
You cannot unlearn how to make a nuclear bomb. So
the weaponization potential of these technologies are so powerful that
for all the good things that could do for us,
it could be a very destructive. It would be a
(41:32):
very destructive technology. And so that is the elephant in
the room.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Wow, Okay, I'm going back to the twenty two million
dollars because I think this is an important point and
it kind of touches on disclosure as well. The FA
eighteen super Hornet that Commander David Fraverer was flying when
he saw the tic tac UFO incident, the price tag
(41:59):
on that vehicle if you were going to buy it
in twenty seventeen, that of course, was two thousand and four,
it would be seventy million dollars. And if you're imagining
that that single jet that that single pilot was flying
that observed a UFO is several times more than the
entire operating budget for a program. For me, that spells
(42:25):
smokescreen or perhaps almost a front or disinformation of some
sort in some way. That's just what that's what it
feels like to me in my gut. And I just
wonder if you've encountered anything like that that would make
you think there's something fishy going on.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
Well, I mean, the only thing fishy going on is
that we're not being told where our tax dollars are
being spent on. It's not being acknowledged that this is
a high priority. That again, that twenty two million is
just a drop in the budget. That's what's a drop
in the bucket. And that that's what's so funny about this.
There are programs in every branch of our military, in
every intelligence agency. I can tell you that with definitive fact.
(43:08):
So this little tiny drop is part of an ocean
of financing that goes towards trying to understand these fierce technologies.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Got you, so, I guess I just have I have
worries about it being some kind of disinformation or counterintelligence
program to cover up just advanced testing, because you know,
it's that whole I want to believe thing. I am
nervous that maybe somebody is pulling my leg, even all
(43:39):
the way up to the Harry Reids, just so that
something else can be covered up.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
Well, that would be fantastic, I mean, that would be
a wild truth if that were indeed the case, and
we always do need to look at that, because our
government historically has been really good at saying, look at
the left hand when I'm doing something with the right hand.
But indeed, these are This is not a smoke screen
to the best of my knowledge. I mean, these are
(44:05):
things being observed by trained fighter pilots, by witnesses all
around the world for centuries, and so this phenomenon is real.
We might not understand it deeply from a government level,
but they do want to know as much as they can.
It is outside the scope of my imagination. Essentially telling
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the public that these things are happening is somehow going
to benefit the budget or benefit the you know, the
needs of the government. I think the people that have
come forward are just like you and me. They believe
this is worthy of proper investigation and that the American
public should know.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Well said, Well said Jeremy. This brings us to.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Another question that we always want to include when we're
talking about unfolding events, and this can go wherever you
see fit. What do you see as the near or
mid future? I guess consequences might be too strong a word,
(45:16):
but the results are the ripples of this announcement.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Well, I think it's going to be followed up. And
I think that if we can get to the point
where the public really understands, I mean, gosh, the public
was so interested when that New York Times article came out.
I mean it just blasted off. This is a topic everybody.
If you have a curious bone in your body, you
have to be interested in this. It's just a matter
(45:41):
of the devils and the details, really trying to read
and see what's going on. I think that once alloys
are presented to the public that are clearly not made
by human hand because of the perfect atomic layering of
elements that should not be able to be fused together,
and the properties of these alloys how they interact with
(46:03):
our known physics in slightly different ways, if that is shown,
if that is shown in a big way through major media,
you will have to ask yourself who made these alloys.
So I think slowly and over time. Remember, we're being
promised more videos by the Tom DeLong conglomerate of really
(46:23):
incredible intelligence and aviation people and CIA people that kind
of thing, that there are more videos. The third one
is promised. I happen to know that there are a
lot more videos that were unclassified. So the question is
what is the public going to be exposed to slowly
and what will the questions be? What will the public ask?
(46:45):
And asking the right question that I have learned through
this type of work is the most important. So in
the near future, I think it's just getting the public
to ask the right questions in a big way, and
it's going to take a drip by drip more information
coming out to get us.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
I have one last serious question. Are these videos going
to be lost? Blank? Onenity two videos?
Speaker 5 (47:07):
You'd hope right?
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Blank?
Speaker 6 (47:12):
Money is on the sneeze. I do hear that he
is doing interesting things.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
With his fortune and the Stars Academy. Yeah, I think
that's really fascinating.
Speaker 6 (47:20):
I'm being a jerk, but I think it's really interesting
that he's taking that money and like trying to do
something interesting with Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, and he is working with us. As we said,
established government figures, many many retired, but you know, legit
intelligence agency, defense folks like Chris Mellon for instance.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I believe he's working with him. Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Well, let's just clarify here. So Tom DeLong Blink twenty
two got together a group of government officials who are
all on the same page and scientists to try to
one get more information out, like lou Elizondo who's on
his board, did get up to videos so far declassified
to us. So, you know, yeah, for Tom, I'm rooting
for Tom. Has nothing to do with his music or
(48:08):
anything like that, just as an individual trying to move
the needle forward. He has successfully done that and hopefully
will continue doing that. Of course, there are other aspects
to his project, which is, you know, the promise through funded,
you know, through through money from you know, from people,
through crowdfunding to try to emulate or simulate or make
you know, some of these technologies actually function, and you know,
(48:29):
I don't know about that. I don't know if that's
going to work. I don't know the implications of that.
You know, there's a lot of skepticism on that. But
I think what he has done is heroic. I think
he pulled together a good group of people, put it
in the forefront, used his name in his space as
his passport to get more information out, and I applaud
him for that. So I think we just need to
(48:50):
separate that from the other endeavors of his group. Let's
look at what he has done so yeah, I applaud
him for that. Again, we are all cogs in a
much bigger wheel. The big news flash here is if
we're being visited by technologies and craft of unknown origin
not made here on Earth, who is piloting these and
(49:11):
what is their intention? That's the big question.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
And then I would I would only add to that
to what end. Oh, I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
It's a serious that's a serious concern because, as human
history at least has taught us, typically when one civilization
with technological advantage or superiority meets another civilization, things do
not end well. And if we are in a case
where where there would be some sort of contact from
(49:44):
beyond our terrestrial plane, we can only hope that this
would not follow the precedence set by humanity.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Right. So this is, in fact where it gets weird.
I have a little theory that I call the clock
clockwork orange, and it's the basic theory that we may
not be witnessing just beings from other star systems engaging
humanity with craft that appear to be UFOs, but in
fact we may be experiencing an AI or some sort
(50:19):
of artificial intelligence that is giving us a learning program
over time to acclimate us to the ideas of high technology,
because if you look through UFO accounts all throughout the centuries,
you'll see that what people are engaging and seeing goes
far beyond just craft in the sky or lights in
(50:39):
the sky. But in fact, there are much more complex
interactions that humans have from information to technology that's just
beyond the cusp of what we have at the time.
So this information is changing over the centuries, and I
think that we may be interacting with something far stranger
(51:00):
than just being from another planet, other people from another planet.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Well said, and speaking of stranger things, not the Netflix show, folks,
but speaking of a stranger stranger subjects and topics. There
is something that we wanted to bring up. We would
be remiss if we didn't mention this or explore it
at some point in our time with you today. And Matt,
(51:26):
i'd like to pass the honors to you in this regard.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yeah, you mentioned a name that just kind of got
peppered in as we've been talking. Bob Lazar. This is
a This is a physicist who was working at several
laboratories at least I have to say allegedly here because
you're you have you're taking Bob Lazar's word over you know,
other other people's. But he worked, amongst other places, Area
(51:53):
fifty one, according to him, and he was witnessed to
a lot of the things that we've been talking about today,
other alien you know, alien craft, alloys, medals, this kind
of thing, and you you got to talk to him.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
Yeah, in fact, you know, after many years, this is
always the kind of a dream of mine. After many
years of time knowing Bob, becoming friends, we have had
the chance to go really deep into this and eventually
he said, let's you know, let's do it. You're right,
people have twisted my story. So just to get people
up today, Bob Lazar is the most important and key
(52:35):
individual in the whole UFO history and more. He has
certainly influenced the UFO culture, you know, with his story,
more than any one particular individual. And he wants you
to put the word allegedly in front of anything you
say about him, because he wants you to use your brain.
He is giving you his story and telling you that
(52:57):
you should decide if what he's telling is true. Now,
after thirty years telling his story and not changing it,
we now have a different lens in order to look
at this story, and that's what I've been doing. I've
been contacting witnesses that have never been contacted. I've been
talking with Bob and getting him to go on film
about things he's never been able to or never talked about.
(53:19):
So the basic story is that Bob says he's studied
alien propulsion an alien propulsion system for the US military
in nineteen eighty nine, and he came forward on the
news with George Knapp and told everybody about it. Eric
fifty one flying sausage from another world and a program
to create Apiar's technology. That is Bob's claim, and this
(53:44):
is where we stand now. He's really pretty much remained silent.
Nothing from the UFO world has ever done anything good
for his life. And you only know that when you
get closer to Boba as a person, to see who
he is, what his character is, and how it really
has negatively influences, like just telling his story. That will
be up to you to judge based on the evidence
(54:05):
and based on getting to know him personally through the film,
if you believe Bob Blazaar and his story. But the
big question is if Bob is telling us the truth,
then what And so that's what I hope to address
in this film. Bob claims he worked at a sub
base of Area fifty one called S four in nineteen
(54:27):
eighty nine. There was a place with nine hangars and
nine flying saucer type craft. He was able to work
on one and its propulsion system, which operated allegedly off
of element one point fifteen, a stabilized version where they
had a nice tipe that stabilized it. And he said,
(54:48):
gravity is a wave and it works off gravity amplification.
The most interesting thing this weaponized my curiosity the way
that this propulsion worked, because it's not really propulsion. You
don't put thrust out the back. You distort time space
by amplifying a gravituate and fall instantly in little jumps
into a place, so you don't need to travel fast
(55:10):
than the speed of light. So his claims are that
he worked on trying to understand this system for our government,
and he actually got to see allegedly the inside of
what he called the sports Model, which was a really
sleek looking UFO, and he said it was ominous.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Well, unfortunately, I think we're running out of time, guys,
so we really we're gonna have to just go on
our own and learn more about this in our own journeys.
Is where's the best place to go and find your films?
For anybody listening.
Speaker 5 (55:48):
All of my films can be found at Extraordinary Beliefs
dot com. Currently, my film Patient seventeen is available on
Netflix as well as iTunes and Amazon Xbox all that stuff.
What I encourage everybody to do is go deep into
the Bob Blazar story. Now type it in, ask your
Google Voice device who is Bob Blazar and just start
looking into it because I will be putting out the
(56:09):
definitive documentary on his story and life within the year
of twenty eighteen. Towards the end of it, a lot
will be revealed, So go research, catch up and hopefully
we can touch base right before that film drops to
the public.
Speaker 6 (56:23):
And also just for listeners, there are two great articles
about the main stuff we were talking about today with
this government program. There is one on the New York Times,
as we mentioned, and then there was one in Politico
that I think we talked about as well. You had
something to do with the political piece, did you say?
Speaker 5 (56:39):
No, I was able to know about what was going on.
I had been studying the Tiktak case for two years,
so it's intimately involved in knowing how this is going
to play out to the public, which is not really important.
It's just kind of cool that I could see it
from both sides.
Speaker 6 (56:52):
Absolutely, It's also interesting to read these stories from these,
you know, very prestigious news or organizations and to see
the way they handle stuff that you don't typically see
dealt with by organizations like this. So it's pretty it's
pretty interesting in illuminating.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Especially when it turned into The New York Times had
a follow up article where they did one of my
favorite moves that happens often in journalism. They started reporting
on how they reported this story. Oh yeah, so not
the actual story itself.
Speaker 6 (57:24):
And then a portal of dark matter opened up and
swallowed the entire New York Times.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
Hey, by the way, speaking of Netflix, have you guys
seen the clor Field Paradox yet?
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Not good?
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Oh, haven't seen it yet, but it's a hot take.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Haven't seen it yet. We've heard about it.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
But while you're on Netflix, you can, as we mentioned,
check out Patient seventeen. You can also check out our
earlier episode on Implants with Jeremy and that was a
first time we had you on the show, and just
like we said then, we greatly appreciate your time. Thank
(58:04):
you so much for coming on and giving our friends
and neighbors listeners in the audience conspiracy realist a peek
behind the curtain. And I'm really glad that you said.
I'm really glad that you encourage people to dive into
this on their own. When can they expect to see
the next film on Bob Blazar?
Speaker 5 (58:26):
Yeah, so the Bob Blazar film will come out at
the end of twenty eighteen, but I will have one
coming out before and that will be the one on
Skinwalker Ranch. And so look for my films this year. Absolutely,
and thanks gentlemen for having me on. You certainly do
provide a show telling people and giving people information on
stuff they don't want you to know, and I really
appreciate that you do this. So thanks for having me
(58:47):
on and just great work.
Speaker 6 (58:49):
A pleasure.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
We'll see you again soon, Sir Jeremy Corbel.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
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This classic episode Fellow Conspiracy Realist features one of our
old friends pall of the show, Jeremy Corbel, who is
currently the host of another show called Weaponized Matt.
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You know, back in the day, let's.
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See Jeremy and you and I talked extensively about some
of his documentaries, and I believe he's the guy who
really connected with us on you know, on Uncle Sam's
formerly secret version of Project Blue Book.
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Yeah, Ben, is it weird to you that for five
years now UAP has been a thing. It's been five
years since we've been talking about UFOs as UAP. I
feel like it just happened.
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Yeah, Oh my gosh, oof, it is weird.
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You know.
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I think about the passage of time to quote the talking,
but also also let's give people their props where they're deserved.
Jeremy for many years had been ringing the bell about
this right and came to us always with an open
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message there's something wonky going on here, and never made
any crazy claims, was never disingenuous, continues his work today.
So I think we're both very we're very grateful for
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fairly recently. And you may have seen it as an
interesting headline on your Facebook feed if that's where you
get your news. You may have seen a couple of
people commenting on it in Reddit. You may have wondered
why such an earth shaking story hit the headlines and
then appeared to vanish.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Now.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
When I first saw it, I was like, wait, so
this is like an admission that the stuff is real.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, yeah, these programs are real, especially because you were
probably reading it in the New York Times, which you
generally don't read about UFOs.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
There, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I was like, this is the one, this is the
big one. And then it was kind of just like that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
What happened to that story?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right paper of note New York Times, and a journalist
working for the New York Times by the name of
Ralph Blumenthal went public with a front page Sunday article
in The New York Times fairly recently, where it was
entitled Glowing Auras and Black Money, The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO column. Bloomenthal,
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writing with Leslie Keene and Helene Cooper, it introduced the
vast majority of the public, including Matt Noll, Paul and myself,
to something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. And
this blew our collective mind. Yes, we weren't sure what
was up, We weren't sure what was left, what was right,
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where to go, And because we wanted to bring the
most fascinating and most accurate information to bear on this subject,
we connected with one of our experts in the field
in this regard, and we are lucky enough to have
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him with us on the air today. Ladies, and gentlemen,
you may remember him from our previous episode on Allegations
of Alien Implants or Mysterious Implants, The mastermind behind the
film Patient seventeen.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Number twenty five on Netflix and trending right now. By
the way, check it out if you haven't already.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
We'd like to introduce you to Jeremy Corbel.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Jeremy, Hey, gentlemen, thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Of course, So all right, you just I guess we
just started the beginning. Let's go to the day this
article comes out. How much did you know about this
at that point?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Well, I've actually been working on the TikTok ca for
two years and was not allowed to say anything about it,
so I got to see it kind of from the
inside before it was published. You know, I had pre
warning about the published, you know, it being published in
the New York Times and Politico and then getting picked
up by the global media. You know, it was a
big story, is a big story. So luckily I got
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to see it a little bit from the inside.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So can you tell us a little bit about what
the tic Tac incident is?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Sure? Yeah, I mean we should go. You know, here
are other facts. Man, the devil's in the details. And
this is a real conspiracy reality. This is something being
held back from the American and global public, and it
you know, does have a focus on the tic Tac
incident because and that is the case that I was
working on for a couple of years. I had no
way to shield anybody I was speaking with, you know,
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from their secrecy agreements. So it's really great how this
came out. The tic Tac incident off the coast of
California was one of many incidents where there's an anomalous
aerial vehicle or an almost aerols three, depending on how
they want to twist the language, where an object of
unknown origin, no tail numbers, no even wings, was defying
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all ideas that we have about propulsion, gravity and flight.
And this thing was observed within one hundred feet by
the primary pilot, Commander David Fraber, and it was on
every radar that we have and considered a threat of
unknown origin, and it just displayed the most astounding flight characteristics.
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And so that is kind of the core of that story,
that there is unknown technology, unknown craft from unknown origins
that outfly anything that we have. And that was a
two thousand and four case, so pretty current.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Right, and that's I really want to emphasize this for
the rest of the audience here, Jeremy. You mentioned it
was a fighter pilot who is the primary observer. Here,
there were other observers, and these were experts. These were
not people who were walking in a tourist area waiting
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in line to get some street food. These were people
operating out of the USS nimics.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah? In fact, these our most highly trained combat pilots.
There were four visual observers on that particular day. Yet
these events were ongoing for over a week off the
coast of California, being observed by our national defense and military,
and these pilots, having no knowledge of what they were
going to were asked, what ordinance do you have on board?
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We have a real life target for you. And they
were sent out to observe and to engage this anomalous
aerial vehicle. And there are some things about that that
the public needs to know. Not only are these trained observers,
but this object that they engaged did things like actively
jam compared to passively jam their radar and weapons systems,
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which is fascinating because they had the most high tech
available to the United States military or the world at
this time.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And the craft itself did not look like anything we
would understand as an aircraft, right.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
There were no rotors, no wings, no, not even any portholes.
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (08:22):
In my conversations with Commander David Fraber, it was the
most astounding thing he had ever seen in combat or
even in theory, because this object, through the different visual
optics that he had, had no protrusions like wings or
anything like that. It had no exhaust plumes they can
use flear, which is heat sensing. There is no possible
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way that he knew of that this thing could operate,
and in the ways that it did when he was
observing it, it was like a ping pong, bouncing right left,
up down. It was absolutely foolish. The way that it
was moving. It was strange beyond all bleeps. And at
one point it noticed him and it started to target
him and move around his vehicle and shut down his systems.
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I mean, he's quoted as saying in the Boston Herald,
you know it is not something we developed, and that
he believes it's something not from here, not from Earth.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So, Jeremy, you have not only spoken with the fighter
pilot who is the primary witness for this. But you
also followed this story or this phenomenon beyond this specific
instance to a global context. And earlier off air you
said that you had you had some contextualizing points about
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the the the global impact or the backdrop of this phenomenon,
and we were wondering if you could walk walk us
in the audience through the primary let's say, the lay
of the land here or the should we say, the
cast of the sky.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah, sure so, yeah. I have developed a network of
people involved, which you know, the two thousand and four
Nimits event, from radar operators to personnel to the pilots.
So I've been able to see this, you know, from
a larger perspective. But the big news, let's let's step
back to the big news. You know, here are the facts.
You know, first of all, we should know that my mentor,
George Knapp, really broke all of this information first before anybody,
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and you know, he's got his ear to the rail
in a way. We are standing in a place now
within the United States where and the world where we
are being told the number of things. So for example,
you know, here are the facts. It was an announcement
twenty two million dollars was spent by our government to
study the UFO phenomenon that was reported in the New
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York Times, and the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program aat
IP was named secret UFO study something in our airspace,
out running our machine bullet point. A man named Lewis Elizondo,
who's the former director of Programs to investigate Unidentified aerial
Threats for our government. He came forward in that article
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as well, so they identified that there's a threat. Alexander
said in the political article, we had never seen anything
like it. There was frustration within our government. Alixando kind
of made that clear by saying, look, if a Russian
bear bomber comes into near California, it's all over the news.
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These are coming in the skies over our facilities, and
you hear nothing but crickets. And when he says our facilities,
that was a direct quote. We're also talking about nuclear facilities.
So in the public eye, nothing has been studied about
UFOs since the closing of Project Blue Book in nineteen
sixty nine. That's what we were told. Now we know
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that that is completely false. It was also said that
the AATIP program ended in twenty twelve. Right, so this
is right out of the Pentagon. They're saying that program
to study UFOs and in twenty twelve. In fact, that
is false, and we'll get into that when it gets crazy.
There was a fear. This is something else that everybody
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should know. There was a fear that you know, these
incidents and these air craft, these crafts that were witnessing
were not made by humans. This is all the way
up in the chain of command within our Pentagon. And
the other kind of headline news that we learned through
the New York Times article is that former Senator Harry
Reid of Nevada, he initiated this twenty two million dollar
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program to study UFOs and the larger phenomena that we
observe that have to you know, that are beyond UFOs.
There is a very strange link to a very strange
property that this program had a directorate to study, a
place called Skinwalker Ridge. So that's what we know from
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these global announcements that in fact UFOs as a threat
is a hot topic and remains a hot topic since
nineteen sixty nine, when allegedly we stop studying this stuff,
which we now know is not true. So that's kind
of the big point, the big pictures, and they're using
specific cases to help us understand that.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Just to go back quickly to Lewis Elizondo, the person
who was essentially the manager of the program at least
for a time, one thing we found to be extremely
important here with regards to the Pentagon itself studying these things.
He said that even his immediate supervisor at the Pentagon
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was unaware of the program, which, you know, we've we've
talked about segmentation that occurs within the government, within government
groups like that before, within structures where you know, what
is it You just a lot of people won't know
exactly what's going on, what the next person is working on.
Often there's a compartmentalization of information. So perhaps the Pentagon
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overall didn't even really know what was going on.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I guess yeah, it's quite surprising. There is a stove
piping they call it, within intelligence circles of information, so
you know, one hand can't access what the other hand
is working on. And there's a reason for that specifically
in these programs. It's because the implications of this technology.
It is a fierce technology, it is something when weaponized,
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if we could control the forces of nature like these
craft appear to be able to control, that gives any
nation a leg up technologically, a weaponization that other countries,
other nations wouldn't have. So that is the exact reason
why within the intelligence community, Department of Defense and National Security,
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you have this stove piping and compartmentalization. It's important. We
used it for the atomic weapons system, the atomic bomb,
and we use it now in anything regarding UFOs.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And that's that's a very important point of regarding atomic weaponry.
I'm glad you brought up this subject because, from what
we understand, for Senator Harry Reid, the question of missile
defense and nuclear weaponry was one of the at least
according to his public statements, one of the primary motivators
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for his interest in the project. He said that he
had read classified reports about encounters with unidentified flying objects
over US nuclear bases and that during those encounters, just
like how the systems on the fighter planes were scrambled
or disabled, the atomic weapons themselves were somehow disabled in
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these encounters. Do you believe that what that stated motivation
of his was the primary goal or do you believe
there's something more to the story.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Well, I believe that the concept of national defense is
the primary goal. If we don't know how something is
working in its can threat in our nation, then it
is a priority. So yeah, yeah, I do believe in
general that the idea was a how do we protect
ourselves from these vehicles and these technologies that are far
beyond ours that can shut down our nukes at any moment.
(16:09):
But let's get specific about that. I just had lunch
the other week with Robert Sallas. Robert Salas was in
command of ten minutemen intercontinental ballistic missiles when at his base,
mails from Air Force Base a UFO came in observed.
This is all now public information through FOYA. We got
this information and a UFO, a glowing red UFO, came
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in over the base and it shut down ten independent systems.
And we know specifically what this UFO targeted, which is
the Global Positioning System. Disabled them immediately, just disabled them.
And this is not an isolated event. This happened within
seven days on another base here in America, and also
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we now know in Russia at the same time. So
you have a technology flying with impunity coming over the
most just sure nuclear missile bases are top weaponry in
America and in Russia, and just effortlessly shutting down our
technologies by targeting the positioning systems. Now, this is a problem.
This is a problem, whether it is benevolent and they're
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saying don't play with fire, or if this is some
sort of display of power, which it certainly was. So, yes,
I do believe the motivation is national security.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Well, Reid was quoted in saying I'm glad that this
happened because now we have scientific proof, or I'm glad
this revelation was revealed to the public. And those are
strong words from a politician who's I don't know, one
of their primary jobs seems to be obsfiscation or like
trying to kind of deceive the public in some way,
or like, you know, this is a pretty bold sentiment
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coming from a career politician. Can you speak to that
or how do you feel about that quote?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, well, look his perspective because he did this with
black budget money. I mean, this is not even pushed
through Congress, this is not asked. This is money that
is created and funneled in to these special access programs
where you know, again, most congress person will have no
idea about these programs or what's going on. They are
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not in the need to know, even if they have
the classification. So these are strong words, but it's really
just the beginning of it. There's a lot that Harry
Reid's not explaining. The reason Harry Reid got interested in
this subject at all is because of the Bob Blazar
story and being in a vata politician would talk with
George Knapp, and so he learned that bobzar story is true,
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and he learned that this is something the et technology
or foreign technologies that we don't really have a handle on.
And then it was Upawn and this is something that
people don't know. Again, it's upon understanding the skin Walker
Ranch story that really motivated Harry Reid because he read
George Knapp's book. It motivated him to take this issue
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more seriously and try to initiate funding for it, because
he thought, scientifically, if we can get a handle on this,
even a glimpse, that this is the biggest thing that
has ever happened to national events and humanity. So yes,
I think it's a powerful statement. It's also powerful that
the New York Times Proutthers article and that they admitted
to the advanced A the Aerial Threat Identification Program. I
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mean that is the modern day Project Bluebook, and it
has not ended in twenty twelve, like stated, the only
thing that ended with the partnership with Robert Bigelow a
Bigelow Aerospace to study Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And on that note, we do have to emphasize, yes,
Harry Reid was not acting alone. He did have support
from at least two other senators who went public, Ted
Stevens and Daniel Enue from Alaska and Hawaii, and of
course the founder of Bigelow Aerospace, Robert T.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Bigelow.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Now, longtime listeners, you will recall a previous episodes examining
Project Bluebook, and you may also recall previous mentions of
Skinwalker Ranch. And if you like our show, then you
are definitely going to want to hear the rest of
(20:16):
our conversation with Jeremy Corbel after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Okay, we're back now. Generally, when I think about the
study of UFOs, I think about governmental organizations and things
like Project Bluebook. I do not usually think about a
private for profit organization having a hand in, you know,
either taking a government contract to study UFOs or aerial
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phenomena or being paid in any way by a government entity.
But in this case, we do have a private aerospace organization,
Bigelow Aerospace, And can you like, what do you know,
Jeremy about their involvement with this whole thing.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Yes, absolutely fascinating. This is a classic chess move by
our United States government. It's like when they put facilities
on Native American as sovereign nation land, where they don't
have to act as if they're under jurisdiction of the
federal government. They can do things outside of the parameters
that are usually on them. So using private industry is
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the oldest trick in the book, and that's what we
saw with the partnership between Bigelow Aerospace and actually the
DA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, the intelligence agency within
the branch of the Pentagon. So this is exactly what happened.
There was a contract put out for this twenty two
million to study what was going on specifically at Skinwalker Ranch,
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but the anomalous aerial vehicles and Bigelow already had an
interest in this and had a property of high activity.
The United States government wanted to understand this technology and
if it was indeed otherworldly and if that is a
national security problem. So that shielding that they got through
using private industry, because you cannot send a Freedom of
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Information Act to private industry, but you could to the DA.
So yeah, so partnering with Bigelow was really the way
that they were able to shield themselves from public scrutiny
to try to get a handle on what's going on.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Dude, before we get crazy, I just have a quick question.
I know Harry Reid's retiring soon, and there was talk,
you know, he was a big he was really against
the whole yucka Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada. And
now I saw an article saying that because he's retiring,
that could go forward without him there to kind of
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guard against it. I'm wondering if, since he was in
such support of this program, you think him retiring will
you know, deflate it in any way.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
No, Actually, I don't think that Harry Reid retiring will
deflate the program, because we're talking about a twenty two
million pro which is like, you know, our military spends
more on viagra for its soldiers than it does twenty
two million per year, and this is over, you know,
seven years maybe, So it's really funny. This topic is
studied through every branch of our military, in every intelligence
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organization that studies are ongoing. So there's no deflating this.
It's just we're hearing about a piece of it. Don't worry.
Our government's on this.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And one of the things that we'll hear when people
bring up that that number, that twenty two million is
you'll hear people say, well, that's twenty two million out
of a six hundred billion annual budget, right, or I
love that statistic about viagra. Just introduced this to which
is my first time hearing it. This this argument to
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supporters seems misleading because it could it sort of circumvinced
the concept of black bag budgets, or it circumventced the
concept of untraceable money, which we know is a real phenomenon,
not just in the Department of Defense, but in other
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world militaries and intelligence agencies. And we have to ask,
with Knowl's earlier question about deflation, we have to ask
what else we don't know? Does a program like this continue,
what does it lead to? What are the other pathways
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in this rabbit hole? And most immediately Jeremy, is this
where it gets crazy.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, I would say this is certainly where it gets crazy.
I'm going to tell you a few points right now
that I think the public is not picking up on,
and it's very important to pick up on them, and
they will blow your mind. So yes, here's where it
gets crazy. So, first of all, the program did not end.
What they're telling you is that that twenty two million
dollar program, that little program that the contract is now
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over since twenty twelve, but the study of UFOs is
still one of the primary studies that everybody's looking at
in the United States military. So don't start to believe
that it ended. It did not end. Now. Also, this
event we talked about the tic TAC event series, the
week long series. That was not an anomaly. It's a trend.
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The tic TAC event was not an isolated event. The
other video that was put out by the Pentagon was
what's called the Gimbal video. Something people don't know, or
very few people know, is that the Gimbal video was
from a completely separate set of events off of the
east coast of California in twenty fifteen. So these frequencies
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of the are increasing. Of these tic TAC and these
these similar things, and the tic TAC event also there
were multiple tic TACs, and there was a USO and
identified submer urged object that was turning the water underneath
you know, the planes as they were flying and looking
at the tic TACs. It was said the tic TAC
seemed to be docking in quotes docking with the USO.
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So it's not isolated the government involvement, it's something else
that where it gets crazy. The DA the DEIA, the
Defense Intelligence Agency, was the one in charge of this
program through the twenty two million dollars, so we're talking
about a major intelligence agency within the United States. In
the article something else another point people didn't really pick
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up on. There were alloys. There were skifs that were built,
you know, to protect information and actual objects at Big
Low Aerospace in Las Vegas, Nevada. These were being held
there foreign to say it nicely, foreign technologies or alloys.
So you know UFO alloys. And I think what we're
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going to learn a lot about in the next year
or so is the atomic layering of these alloys. How
do we know that they weren't created on Earth by
another nation? So keep your eyes out for that, and
don't forget that was said in the article. They were
warehousing alloys. They also mentioned really briefly, and this was
a leak about medical studies for UAP or unidentified flying
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objects or UFOs, whatever you want to call them, encounters
by our government and military personnel. So there are medical
studies on individuals who had prolonged UAP unidentified aero phenomena encounters.
That's something that hopefully we will learn more about. Now
let's talk about demons, since we're going to where it
gets crazy. The program was stopped because people were scared
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lists of being in this all being on the front
page of any news report, because some people believe this
was not the works of aliens or ets, but it
was in fact demonic. This is true. Within our intelligence agencies,
people believe this, and they didn't want it splashed on
the New York Times because they believed it was demonic.
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That is true. That is crazy. So, I mean, I
don't know what it is, but that is wild. The
other thing is the Skinwalker Ranch connection has not been
flashed out, and I'm making a movie on that. I'm
making a movie to show those connections between these recent
UFO events, the twenty two million and the Skinwalker ranch connection,
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and so that kind of leads us to that. But
all of that to me is wild.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And one thing, that's one thing that's interesting when you
mention that people within the government, some of the people
in Uncle Sam's employ felt that there were religious or
spiritual implications about that. We know that can sound insane, folks,
but we have to remember that regardless of what someone's
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occupation is or what the role is, there are still
a human being and they move by these human modives.
So if someone takes if someone interprets a threat seriously
enough right, then they will feel that it is a
moral imperative to report it. So this, uh, while just
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hearing what you heard just now might sound like creepy
pasta on the internet, the fact is that these were
real people. These were genuine government employees who were voicing
these concerns.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, and they're seeing it through their own lens, right.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Which is there's nothing wrong with because you know, I
don't know the ultimate truth. If anybody says they know
the ultimate truth, they're lying. But that perspective is worthy
of an individual who has religious faith to say, this
is my concern. What we're witnessing is the act of
the dabble. You know, these are not aliens, This is
demonic and that in fact halted progress on these studies
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it did, which is pretty intense.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Let's talk a little bit more in depth about skin
Walker Ranch while we're here, because one thing that you
can say for sure about Skinwalker Ranch, whether you are
tuning in as a.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Guide in the world, believer.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
About a very specific aspect of it, or whether you
consider yourself a James Randy esque skeptic, you can easily
admit that Skinwalker Ranch is the subject of intense controversy.
Since we talked about on James Randy, one of the
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messianic figures of the Internet skeptic movement, had said that
he had deemed Robert Bigelow's purchase of Skinwalker Ranch as
a useless study or useless investigation, whereas other people have
sworn that they have seen incredibly anomalous activities such as
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cattle mutilation right the strange, strange objects in the sky.
And what we were hoping to ask you, as you're
our go to expert on this, could you give our
listeners an overview of Skinwalker Ranch as Okay, I'll just
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go to the chase.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
What the heck's going on there? Man?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
It's a great question, and it's easy to throw stones
someone like James Randy at Robert Bigelow saying it's useless
or whatever. But you know what, our Defense Intelligence Agency
did not think it was useless. In fact, Skinwalker Ranch
was the subject of the most intense scientific study of
UFOs and the paranormal by our United States government in history.
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So it wasn't just one eccentric billionaire putting his money
behind this. Now we know that. Now we know there
was a partnership made with Thedia. So people can throw
stones and say that sounds ridiculous, and I agree, it
sounds ridiculous. But you wouldn't do a prolonged study at
a place if there wasn't scientific information and data that
you were getting let it be classified or not. So
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let's talk about Skinwalker Ranch, the bullet points or this.
In nineteen ninety eight, real estate mogul self made billionaire
Robert Bigelow a big Low Aerospace. He purchased the four
hundred and eighty acre ranch in northeastern Utah to use
as a living laboratory to study the UFO phenomenon, and historically,
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just to put it out there, this location or this
whole you into basin, has been inundated with bizarre phenomena
going on back generations. So Bigelow just wanted answers to
some you know, some big questions, and he was determined
to find them, regardless of the cost. What happened at
the ranch historically, you know, what's claimed to lurk in
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the shadows goes far beyond UFOs, but bizarre events range
from you know, perplexing to wholly terrifying, vanishing and mutilated cattle,
unidentified flying objects, huge otherworldly creatures, appearing, flying orbs, everything
under the sun. Like a grab bag of bizarre is
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what was reported by scientists and locals in this area
for generations. And one family at this ranch, you know,
their life was under siege by these unknown enemies or
entities and nothing could explain it. And they thought maybe
science could and in enters Robert Bigelow and he employed
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a crack team, a pH d level scientists to conduct
long term investigation into the reports of the phenomena, and
the team was tasked to use the ranch as this
living laboratory. You know, that's big low zone words in
the uent to basin. And they quietly and with rigor,
they studied the ranch and what they encountered during that
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study would test their beliefs and even their sense of reason.
And that's what's skin Walker Ranches a living laboratory and
the most scientifically studied paranorma hot body in history. And
our government was involved.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
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a little insight on how you've come to acquire what
I've seen from a trailer, boxes and boxes of videotapes
(34:35):
and documents all about the Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Sure, well, right time, right place, my mentor, George Napp.
You know he's a two time Peabody Awarding award winning,
you know, twenty seven Emmy journalist. The guy breaks stories
right and last day and night for thirty years. Right. So,
one thing that he did was he earned the trust
of those involved by keeping his mouth shut and being
able to be on location, you know, dozens and dozens
(35:02):
of time and working with the scientific teams to just
have a journalistic standpoint on it that one day maybe
he could make a documentary or reveal this info, and
he's let out little bits and pieces. But now that
the ranch has changed hands, all of that has been altered.
We can now tell this story. So poking and prodding
and trying to get the information and what he's collected
(35:25):
and sorting it and corelating it, that's what I've been
doing for the last couple of years. And wow, what
I've been covered through this is truly shocking and interesting.
So that led me to want to make a movie
on it.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Okay, So George Knapp had these documents, and it appears
that he was under some kind of non disclosure agreement,
and that's the I'm trying to understand here. He wasn't
allowed to talk about it for a while.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Yeah, journalistic ethics is more about it. If you're let
in to observe and look at something and your set
you're told you know, as a journalist, you know it
is not the time to talk about this, but I
want it kind of recorded for history. We're not talking
about just documents. We're also talking about footage, actual footage
that goes back twenty years. So this is something that
(36:13):
he kept his word as a journalist. The moment he
breaks that, people no longer trust him, you know, if
they're a source for him. So he kept his word
and he did not leak any information, although he did
report on it from time to time in the capacity
he could even wrote a book on you know, Hunter
for the Skinwalk or great book it'll get you up
to date on what happened there. So he was able
(36:34):
to put some stuff out, but the meat of it, yeah,
he had to is a human burden as a journalist.
He had to sit on it and those that time
has now.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Gone, and that was a burden that you were also
shouldering for your time researching this this upcoming work. One
thing that's interesting that I know a lot of a
lot of us in the audience are going to ask
and it's completely fine if this and completely understandable. There's
(37:03):
a question that shouldn't be answered on air. You mentioned
that Robert Bigelow no longer owns Skinwalker Ranch, that it
was acquired by another party.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Do we know who that party.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Is and do they wish they were remain anonymous? Are
they affiliated with the government in any way, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
The public does not know who the new owner of
Skinwalker Ranch is. The new owner of Skinwalker Ranch is
not affiliated with the government, to the best of my knowledge,
and the new owner desires to remain out of the
public eye. So I respect that and again journalistic integrity,
and there's you know, no reason to go beyond that.
(37:43):
But yeah, that you know, there is new ownership, and
that is interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Okay, this, I'm really glad that we got that out
into the air. I also wanted to well, Matt Nolan
and I wanted to follow up on something that we
had been thinking about four years and I know you're
on the same page with us here, and that's the
larger concept of disclosure capital D disclosure, And this is
(38:12):
to catch everyone up. This is the idea that there
would be some globally recognized acknowledgement of either evidence of
extraterrestrials visiting in the past, evidence of extraterrestrial life even
if it hasn't contacted Earth, or something like that. Do
you see this announcement by the Pentagon, regardless of how
(38:35):
much SLOW remains classified, do you see this as a
step toward that? Do you believe that disclosure is an
impending phenomenon?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
No, disclosure will not happen. People would go to jail.
It would also be very damaging to the world in general. However,
confirmation is something that appears that we are inching towards
to some people even believe we've had confirmation if you
really read and understand and talk with the people involved
(39:04):
here from the news reports to the television interviews. But
I think it's a very important to understand disclosure with
the capital D. That is a fantasy. People would go
to jail if the United States government says we are
in fact being visited by extra terrestrials and we have
been for a long time, and here's all the information
we've been reverse engineering their technology or attempting to that
(39:28):
is that people would would go down for that. So
that's not going to happen. But what might happen and
appears we are inching towards, is confirmation, the idea that hey,
there are unknowns, and these unknowns they have to be
piloted if it's what it appears, although all the evidence
shows these are not beings from other star systems visiting us,
(39:50):
but in fact it's much more complex than that. That's
actually what the evidence shows. But yeah, I believe we're
inching towards confirmation of what we do know to a degree,
but no, no disclosure with a capital D. That's that's
just never going to happen in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Well, that's disheartening, Jeremy, because I've been waiting on that
for a long time.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
No, no, no, I'm joking.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
We're totally I guess the reason I'm to We're totally joking.
But it's like, you know, they released They do tend
to release stuff years and years and years later when
it seems like it maybe is irrelevant for actual living humans,
like things about the Kennedy assassination and stuff. But I
feel like you're I agree with you. It doesn't seem
(40:40):
like the government does things like that and for any
other reason than to placate people and not actually to inform.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Right or to get what they want. Remember the eleson
in the room here is that how these craft operate
on the On the last show with you, I said,
the only one thing we know about UFOs is that
it's a huge amount of energy in a very small
amount of space. Scientifically we know that. So now we're
looking again at a fierce technology. It's like the moment
(41:12):
that you learn how to make a nuclear reactor for power.
You cannot unlearn how to make a nuclear bomb. So
the weaponization potential of these technologies are so powerful that
for all the good things that could do for us,
it could be a very destructive. It would be a
(41:32):
very destructive technology. And so that is the elephant in
the room.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Wow, Okay, I'm going back to the twenty two million
dollars because I think this is an important point and
it kind of touches on disclosure as well. The FA
eighteen super Hornet that Commander David Fraverer was flying when
he saw the tic tac UFO incident, the price tag
(41:59):
on that vehicle if you were going to buy it
in twenty seventeen, that of course, was two thousand and four,
it would be seventy million dollars. And if you're imagining
that that single jet that that single pilot was flying
that observed a UFO is several times more than the
entire operating budget for a program. For me, that spells
(42:25):
smokescreen or perhaps almost a front or disinformation of some
sort in some way. That's just what that's what it
feels like to me in my gut. And I just
wonder if you've encountered anything like that that would make
you think there's something fishy going on.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
Well, I mean, the only thing fishy going on is
that we're not being told where our tax dollars are
being spent on. It's not being acknowledged that this is
a high priority. That again, that twenty two million is
just a drop in the budget. That's what's a drop
in the bucket. And that that's what's so funny about this.
There are programs in every branch of our military, in
every intelligence agency. I can tell you that with definitive fact.
(43:08):
So this little tiny drop is part of an ocean
of financing that goes towards trying to understand these fierce technologies.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Got you, so, I guess I just have I have
worries about it being some kind of disinformation or counterintelligence
program to cover up just advanced testing, because you know,
it's that whole I want to believe thing. I am
nervous that maybe somebody is pulling my leg, even all
(43:39):
the way up to the Harry Reids, just so that
something else can be covered up.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
Well, that would be fantastic, I mean, that would be
a wild truth if that were indeed the case, and
we always do need to look at that, because our
government historically has been really good at saying, look at
the left hand when I'm doing something with the right hand.
But indeed, these are This is not a smoke screen
to the best of my knowledge. I mean, these are
(44:05):
things being observed by trained fighter pilots, by witnesses all
around the world for centuries, and so this phenomenon is real.
We might not understand it deeply from a government level,
but they do want to know as much as they can.
It is outside the scope of my imagination. Essentially telling
(44:29):
the public that these things are happening is somehow going
to benefit the budget or benefit the you know, the
needs of the government. I think the people that have
come forward are just like you and me. They believe
this is worthy of proper investigation and that the American
public should know.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Well said, Well said Jeremy. This brings us to.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Another question that we always want to include when we're
talking about unfolding events, and this can go wherever you
see fit. What do you see as the near or
mid future? I guess consequences might be too strong a word,
(45:16):
but the results are the ripples of this announcement.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Well, I think it's going to be followed up. And
I think that if we can get to the point
where the public really understands, I mean, gosh, the public
was so interested when that New York Times article came out.
I mean it just blasted off. This is a topic everybody.
If you have a curious bone in your body, you
have to be interested in this. It's just a matter
(45:41):
of the devils and the details, really trying to read
and see what's going on. I think that once alloys
are presented to the public that are clearly not made
by human hand because of the perfect atomic layering of
elements that should not be able to be fused together,
and the properties of these alloys how they interact with
(46:03):
our known physics in slightly different ways, if that is shown,
if that is shown in a big way through major media,
you will have to ask yourself who made these alloys.
So I think slowly and over time. Remember, we're being
promised more videos by the Tom DeLong conglomerate of really
(46:23):
incredible intelligence and aviation people and CIA people that kind
of thing, that there are more videos. The third one
is promised. I happen to know that there are a
lot more videos that were unclassified. So the question is
what is the public going to be exposed to slowly
and what will the questions be? What will the public ask?
(46:45):
And asking the right question that I have learned through
this type of work is the most important. So in
the near future, I think it's just getting the public
to ask the right questions in a big way, and
it's going to take a drip by drip more information
coming out to get us.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
I have one last serious question. Are these videos going
to be lost? Blank? Onenity two videos?
Speaker 5 (47:07):
You'd hope right?
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Blank?
Speaker 6 (47:12):
Money is on the sneeze. I do hear that he
is doing interesting things.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
With his fortune and the Stars Academy. Yeah, I think
that's really fascinating.
Speaker 6 (47:20):
I'm being a jerk, but I think it's really interesting
that he's taking that money and like trying to do
something interesting with Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, and he is working with us. As we said,
established government figures, many many retired, but you know, legit
intelligence agency, defense folks like Chris Mellon for instance.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I believe he's working with him. Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Well, let's just clarify here. So Tom DeLong Blink twenty
two got together a group of government officials who are
all on the same page and scientists to try to
one get more information out, like lou Elizondo who's on
his board, did get up to videos so far declassified
to us. So, you know, yeah, for Tom, I'm rooting
for Tom. Has nothing to do with his music or
(48:08):
anything like that, just as an individual trying to move
the needle forward. He has successfully done that and hopefully
will continue doing that. Of course, there are other aspects
to his project, which is, you know, the promise through funded,
you know, through through money from you know, from people,
through crowdfunding to try to emulate or simulate or make
you know, some of these technologies actually function, and you know,
(48:29):
I don't know about that. I don't know if that's
going to work. I don't know the implications of that.
You know, there's a lot of skepticism on that. But
I think what he has done is heroic. I think
he pulled together a good group of people, put it
in the forefront, used his name in his space as
his passport to get more information out, and I applaud
him for that. So I think we just need to
(48:50):
separate that from the other endeavors of his group. Let's
look at what he has done so yeah, I applaud
him for that. Again, we are all cogs in a
much bigger wheel. The big news flash here is if
we're being visited by technologies and craft of unknown origin
not made here on Earth, who is piloting these and
(49:11):
what is their intention? That's the big question.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
And then I would I would only add to that
to what end. Oh, I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
It's a serious that's a serious concern because, as human
history at least has taught us, typically when one civilization
with technological advantage or superiority meets another civilization, things do
not end well. And if we are in a case
where where there would be some sort of contact from
(49:44):
beyond our terrestrial plane, we can only hope that this
would not follow the precedence set by humanity.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Right. So this is, in fact where it gets weird.
I have a little theory that I call the clock
clockwork orange, and it's the basic theory that we may
not be witnessing just beings from other star systems engaging
humanity with craft that appear to be UFOs, but in
fact we may be experiencing an AI or some sort
(50:19):
of artificial intelligence that is giving us a learning program
over time to acclimate us to the ideas of high technology,
because if you look through UFO accounts all throughout the centuries,
you'll see that what people are engaging and seeing goes
far beyond just craft in the sky or lights in
(50:39):
the sky. But in fact, there are much more complex
interactions that humans have from information to technology that's just
beyond the cusp of what we have at the time.
So this information is changing over the centuries, and I
think that we may be interacting with something far stranger
(51:00):
than just being from another planet, other people from another planet.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Well said, and speaking of stranger things, not the Netflix show, folks,
but speaking of a stranger stranger subjects and topics. There
is something that we wanted to bring up. We would
be remiss if we didn't mention this or explore it
at some point in our time with you today. And Matt,
(51:26):
i'd like to pass the honors to you in this regard.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yeah, you mentioned a name that just kind of got
peppered in as we've been talking. Bob Lazar. This is
a This is a physicist who was working at several
laboratories at least I have to say allegedly here because
you're you have you're taking Bob Lazar's word over you know,
other other people's. But he worked, amongst other places, Area
(51:53):
fifty one, according to him, and he was witnessed to
a lot of the things that we've been talking about today,
other alien you know, alien craft, alloys, medals, this kind
of thing, and you you got to talk to him.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
Yeah, in fact, you know, after many years, this is
always the kind of a dream of mine. After many
years of time knowing Bob, becoming friends, we have had
the chance to go really deep into this and eventually
he said, let's you know, let's do it. You're right,
people have twisted my story. So just to get people
up today, Bob Lazar is the most important and key
(52:35):
individual in the whole UFO history and more. He has
certainly influenced the UFO culture, you know, with his story,
more than any one particular individual. And he wants you
to put the word allegedly in front of anything you
say about him, because he wants you to use your brain.
He is giving you his story and telling you that
(52:57):
you should decide if what he's telling is true. Now,
after thirty years telling his story and not changing it,
we now have a different lens in order to look
at this story, and that's what I've been doing. I've
been contacting witnesses that have never been contacted. I've been
talking with Bob and getting him to go on film
about things he's never been able to or never talked about.
(53:19):
So the basic story is that Bob says he's studied
alien propulsion an alien propulsion system for the US military
in nineteen eighty nine, and he came forward on the
news with George Knapp and told everybody about it. Eric
fifty one flying sausage from another world and a program
to create Apiar's technology. That is Bob's claim, and this
(53:44):
is where we stand now. He's really pretty much remained silent.
Nothing from the UFO world has ever done anything good
for his life. And you only know that when you
get closer to Boba as a person, to see who
he is, what his character is, and how it really
has negatively influences, like just telling his story. That will
be up to you to judge based on the evidence
(54:05):
and based on getting to know him personally through the film,
if you believe Bob Blazaar and his story. But the
big question is if Bob is telling us the truth,
then what And so that's what I hope to address
in this film. Bob claims he worked at a sub
base of Area fifty one called S four in nineteen
(54:27):
eighty nine. There was a place with nine hangars and
nine flying saucer type craft. He was able to work
on one and its propulsion system, which operated allegedly off
of element one point fifteen, a stabilized version where they
had a nice tipe that stabilized it. And he said,
(54:48):
gravity is a wave and it works off gravity amplification.
The most interesting thing this weaponized my curiosity the way
that this propulsion worked, because it's not really propulsion. You
don't put thrust out the back. You distort time space
by amplifying a gravituate and fall instantly in little jumps
into a place, so you don't need to travel fast
(55:10):
than the speed of light. So his claims are that
he worked on trying to understand this system for our government,
and he actually got to see allegedly the inside of
what he called the sports Model, which was a really
sleek looking UFO, and he said it was ominous.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Well, unfortunately, I think we're running out of time, guys,
so we really we're gonna have to just go on
our own and learn more about this in our own journeys.
Is where's the best place to go and find your films?
For anybody listening.
Speaker 5 (55:48):
All of my films can be found at Extraordinary Beliefs
dot com. Currently, my film Patient seventeen is available on
Netflix as well as iTunes and Amazon Xbox all that stuff.
What I encourage everybody to do is go deep into
the Bob Blazar story. Now type it in, ask your
Google Voice device who is Bob Blazar and just start
looking into it because I will be putting out the
(56:09):
definitive documentary on his story and life within the year
of twenty eighteen. Towards the end of it, a lot
will be revealed, So go research, catch up and hopefully
we can touch base right before that film drops to
the public.
Speaker 6 (56:23):
And also just for listeners, there are two great articles
about the main stuff we were talking about today with
this government program. There is one on the New York Times,
as we mentioned, and then there was one in Politico
that I think we talked about as well. You had
something to do with the political piece, did you say?
Speaker 5 (56:39):
No, I was able to know about what was going on.
I had been studying the Tiktak case for two years,
so it's intimately involved in knowing how this is going
to play out to the public, which is not really important.
It's just kind of cool that I could see it
from both sides.
Speaker 6 (56:52):
Absolutely, It's also interesting to read these stories from these,
you know, very prestigious news or organizations and to see
the way they handle stuff that you don't typically see
dealt with by organizations like this. So it's pretty it's
pretty interesting in illuminating.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Especially when it turned into The New York Times had
a follow up article where they did one of my
favorite moves that happens often in journalism. They started reporting
on how they reported this story. Oh yeah, so not
the actual story itself.
Speaker 6 (57:24):
And then a portal of dark matter opened up and
swallowed the entire New York Times.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
Hey, by the way, speaking of Netflix, have you guys
seen the clor Field Paradox yet?
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Not good?
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Oh, haven't seen it yet, but it's a hot take.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Haven't seen it yet. We've heard about it.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
But while you're on Netflix, you can, as we mentioned,
check out Patient seventeen. You can also check out our
earlier episode on Implants with Jeremy and that was a
first time we had you on the show, and just
like we said then, we greatly appreciate your time. Thank
(58:04):
you so much for coming on and giving our friends
and neighbors listeners in the audience conspiracy realist a peek
behind the curtain. And I'm really glad that you said.
I'm really glad that you encourage people to dive into
this on their own. When can they expect to see
the next film on Bob Blazar?
Speaker 5 (58:26):
Yeah, so the Bob Blazar film will come out at
the end of twenty eighteen, but I will have one
coming out before and that will be the one on
Skinwalker Ranch. And so look for my films this year. Absolutely,
and thanks gentlemen for having me on. You certainly do
provide a show telling people and giving people information on
stuff they don't want you to know, and I really
appreciate that you do this. So thanks for having me
(58:47):
on and just great work.
Speaker 6 (58:49):
A pleasure.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
We'll see you again soon, Sir Jeremy Corbel.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Ladies and gentlemen.
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