November 22, 2022 • 44 mins
Did a group of private assassins use a series of sleazy websites as fronts for their base of operations? Join Ben, Matt and Noel as they delve into the mysterious story of Lake City Quiet Pills. They don’t want you to read our book.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's the headline. Did a group of mercenaries use a
series of proxy websites to coordinate heist? To coordinate honestly assassinations?
We talked about assassinations in our newest book. Uh, and
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it's an ugly world. It's an ugly thing to do,
but it does happen all of the time. We called
this episode Lake City Quiet Pills. You remember this one. Yeah,
it's not something that I was aware of, this term
lake City Quiet Pills until all of us stumbled on
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this reddit, the series of Reddit posts, and my goodness,
the rabbit hole is deep on this one. So let's
go ahead and jump right through. Let's learn about possible
assassinations and a weird term for bullets. From UFOs to
psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events.
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You can turn back now or learn the stuff they
don't want you to know. Hello, and welcome back to
the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
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They called me Ben. You are you and that makes
this stuff they don't want you to know. Today we're
talking about something, uh, something pretty weird. So maybe by
way of segue we can we can talk a little
bit about the Internet. Guy's ever heard of that? The Internet?
What's that big deal? That's a big deal. So what
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is it though? The Internet? I'm so glad you asked.
Let's let's just explain that we're kidding. If you were
listening to this show, you already know what the Internet is.
You've listened to our earlier episodes on the Dark Web,
and we would to recommend a guy that we usually
give a hard time to. Uh, if you want to
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get a good nuts and bolts explanation of the technology
at work behind the Internet, head on over to Tech
Stuff with our friends, recurring guests, Yeah, recurring guest host,
and of course our complaint department. Jonathan Strickland's he's kind
of a friend of me in a way. You know,
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when I first started working here, he promoted me to
Nemesis at some point, and I thought he would let
it he I thought eventually we get tired of it.
Did you know? You guys have been riding that crazy
train ever since. I know, but he does know his
stuff about the Internet and technology. We're going to talk
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specifically about a strange mystery that occurred on on Reddit
a number of years ago with a strange name. It's
called Lake City Quiet Pills. That's pretty cool. I don't
know why. It gives me a shutter. It'll give you
more of a shutter once we get into it. Something
about that just on its own. Remember last episode we
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talked about how like kind of simple, straightforward names seemed
the most nefarious at times. That has that thing, Yeah, definitely,
absolutely well we this thing is found was found originated
on a website called Reddit. If you don't know what
redd it is, let's get into it. It's a news
slash meme, I would say, aggregator. I would say it
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kind of leans heavily on the second. Maybe you know,
there's a lot of news. That's where I get a
lot of my news. Uh. And in theory, it's driven
by reader interests. This it's up votes, down votes. Instead
of creating its own, you know, stories of Reddit publishing things.
It takes articles from other parts of the web, images
from other parts of the web, throws it on there
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and let's all of the people vote on what's the
best and what's the worst. And the name itself is
a portmanteau really of reading and editing, and the people
that contribute to it are referred to as redditors because
not only do they consume the content on the side,
they are also largely responsible for the content on the site.
And there is sort of a hierarchy of up voting
and downvoting, like you're talking about, as far as what
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rises to the top and what things to the bottom.
So in theory, if everything is working well, read it
will become the sum of its participants interest And just
like Noel and that explained, Uh, that's rough up voting,
down voting of things reddit users. This is very important
or to a degree. Anonymous. Um, so sure, we've looked
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and we've looked into this in the past. It's it's
essentially so inconvenient to be anonymous on the web that
you might as well consider it impossible. But read, it
makes it very easy for someone to have a different
identity part of the draw. Really yeah, I I would
absolutely agree. And but sure, our our buddy are poor,
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unfortunate an essay intern Steve oh Man, Steve, are you
doing okay? He probably knows everyone's real name and address,
But the average Reddit user won't know anything about other
reddit users or redditors unless they choose to reveal these details.
That means that it's very very difficult to know what's true,
and the community has evolved ways to prove things when necessary,
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but for the most part you can do and saying
post whatever you want. And lastly, it is like almost
like an ecosystem. It's it's it's sort of like a
combinations of a hybrid message board where there are little communities, subcommunities,
people that know each other and that communicate on a
regular basis and may voluntarily share information with one another
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within a particularly close in the community within the reddit,
you know, ecosystem. That's a really good point. Yeah, And
another thing that we need to look at here is
when you make an account, a Reddit account and you
make posts, anyone can click on the name of your
account and see an entire backlog of everything that you've
publicly posted as a user of Reddit, which is super
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handy to the story we're getting into today, because there
is one person in particular that we're going to focus
on that this whole story revolves around. Yes, all of
this brings us to a redditor named Religion of Peace
all one word. This reditor was a shady dude sketching
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person bad ombre, apparently based on his comments right, Uh,
he was tied to some disreputable parts of Reddit. We
do want to warn you that some of the things
we're going to be citing here are severely not safe
for work, not at SFL, SFL, not safe for life,
So you if you desire to visit these, visit them
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at your own risk. So, as Noel mentioned, Creddit is
an ecosystem that has these different can unities that are
focused on specific interests. So there might be you can
also anyone can make a new community, So there might
be something that's just for camaros. There might be something
that's just for magic, the gathering, magic the gathering, just
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like like a George R. Martin or something like that
particular series of books, you know, a product even I
mean it gets as granular as you your imagination will allow.
I think there's a subredit for our one of our
peer shows stuff you should know. Actually, you know, we
officially have one subredit conspiracy stuff we do. We do
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a user and I am so sorry if you're listening
to this. I don't remember who which person made it
for us, but it exists there. Oh holy smokes, it's
waiting to be curated by you, not not being a null,
but you the listener, you specifically listening to this, not
a general you know, you specifically like the you like
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in the name of the show, like the stuff they
don't want you. Yes, you that you. It all just
came around to me that I realized that's that you.
We've been talking about this whole time, all right, So
now that we have established this, we know that people
can make their own communities. This guy Religion of Peace
was a moderator an administrator of UH communities like jail bait. Yeah,
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he's the one that he was a moderator of was
true jail bait, which sounds even worse. So this would
be you know, this is essentially on the line of
UM underage pornography. And he also ran a website called
that Old Guy's Image Host. Again, as Noel said in
sfl UH does contain pornographic material. And ordinarily this kind
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of posting history it's it's unfortunate, it's sleazy, but it's
not completely unheard of in in forums, you know, like
read it or it's Evil Genius UH sibling four Chan.
You know, these these kind of things happen because in
a lot of ways, people feel empowered when they are anonymous,
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and they will do things that you know they would
never do if you knew their real names. Back in
July two thousand and nine, another redditor going by the
name to six announced that Religion of Peace had passed
away at the age of seventy nine, and not that
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he passed away, but that he was seventy nine and moderating.
Right if this is true? Now this again, this seems yeah,
this seems sad but normal. You know, you can, as
Matt said, see the comments that are Reddit user has
made laid out in a timeline, and Religion of Pieces
comments are very interesting and far afield from what you
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would expect to find. It appears, in fact, that he
was someone with a lot of military backgrounds and that
his I guess criminal interest didn't just stay in the
flesh trade. He apparently specialized in arranging assassinations. Perhaps perhaps so,
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should we go through a couple of the posts that
he made, just so we can establish like more information
about this guy. Well, first of a little background, like
what are we talking to here? Like what what made
this language unusual? Okay? Sure, right, so the we walked
through it this way. So remember the website we mentioned
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a minute ago, there was a predator named zassak Kwan
who found some information hidden in the page source in
the source code of that old guy's image host, and
it had the strange domain name of www dot Lake
City Quai at pills dot com. The site was also
run by Religion of Peace. What this Reddit user found
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appeared to be these coded messages related to hiring people
to conduct uh these military operations. And shortly after this
was discovered and armchair investigators were checking into it, another
redditor found that the code had changed. Whoever was running
the site had I guess up their game and used
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encrypted hashes. So here's the kind of stuff they were
saying before the code changed. I would say, standing on
the no fly list, let us know ahead of time
to make arrangements. Twelve March two thousand ten spec UH
four person team. These are all all in a lot
of like very strange shorthand initially slashes and shorthands and
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abbreviations and acronyms and things like that, and people have
made guesses about what some of this means. So for instance,
there's um, there's a part where it says fed c
c W A plus that means is probably UH concealing
carry permit UH and also says stuff like no us
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WW that probably stands for wants and warrants and this.
These references go around with UM with other parts of
the world, like the European Union is mentioned here. UH.
Fluency in French or fluency in English are mentioned here.
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Depending on the people you ask UH this. There are
people ex military who say that this sounds like outdated
military speak. So this could mean and this could mean
that Religion of Peace who's apparently also known as Dutch
Milo is a retired service member or who went mercenary.
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And nowadays there's a lot of money in going private industry.
I mean, I can't remember what Blackwater is calling itself now,
Academic or something perhaps, or they'll just think they'll get
a more increasingly vague name until one day they're just
group incorporated, you know. But when people found us, they thought,
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what the heck is going on? Who is the shade
guy they're referencing? Who's Dutch Milo? Is this an elaborate hoax?
Is this a marketing campaign? Some people thought it was
an alternate reality game. Is this an assassination squad? Well
we'll find out, right after a quick sponsor break, here's
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where it gets crazy. So we've established what's happening everything
up to now is a real thing. The big question
which people haven't quite been able to crack yet is
whether this is you know, whether whether this is just
somebody trolling on the internet, or whether it is a
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genuine mercenary ring or intelligence op of some sort that
was discovered. And there are arguments for and against it
being a hoax. But Matt, what's okay. So one of
the things we heard a lot when the argument in
the arguments for it being a hoax was the concept
of an a r G, as you said, an alternate
reality game. Could you tell us a little bit about that. Oh? Sure,
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one of these things is going to be involving all
kinds of different electronics, sometimes manual transmissions. Um, you're talking
about secret posts on websites, codes that are hidden somewhere
that if you're playing the game and you know what
the game is, you're gonna be looking for it. But
if you're not, then it's going to be innocuous. So
this is not like a web based like app, like
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a war game that has like a top down game
type set up. This is like almost like an a
digital scavenger hunt kind of set up where it's established
what the rules are, what the rules of play are,
and then you kind of have to figure out where
what you're looking for and where to look. Right kind of, Yeah,
this is something that's sort of out of my wheelhouse
a little bit. I'm trying to understand. It gets used
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a lot in viral marketing for say a film. Right,
so if you want to, uh, if you want to
get people excited about a Matrix reboot, which spoiler alert
is apparently happening, then you would, as as a marketer,
you would go and pepper in these little bread crumbs
on these different websites and people would maybe just see
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a billboard that had a phone number, and if you
went to that phone number, you get a weird message.
I remember one with the movie clover Field, for example,
with you know, like a monster movie slush show. They
had all these like sub brands that websites would pop
up and you would be like, what the hell is
this and then realize, oh, you click here and it
cross links you back to another thing, and yeah, I
get it. It does kind of like create this almost
mythology for a product and it gets people talking about it,
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and people you know on the internet love that. Yeah,
but there are other communities out there where it's not
just for marketing. It's a game that you can play
where if you sign up, you know, you create an
account on a website and you sign up to play
this game, then you'll get calls in the middle of
the night with someone who gives you like a secret
message or something by a real human or if sometimes
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by a robot, and then you it'll give you coordinates,
or it'll give you a place to be at a
certain time, and there will be a physical note left
there for you, or they'll be like a VHS tape
in a padded envelope left on your doorstep with footage
of you sleeping on it. I guess I'm just trying
to stress it. These things are very real. They're not
always for marketing, and they you know, you can play
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them for any number of reasons. Um sometimes to scare yourself,
sometimes for the mystery, and sometimes for the market, and
sometimes for job applications or for entry into elite communities
like Cicada. Yes, when you know, we had an update
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from wired uh where ours technic I believe about that, uh,
that experience because an anonymous robotics student actually did manage
to crack the code, got into the gang, and you know,
worked with them on open source stuff, so that mystery
was somewhat salved. The reason we're bringing up these examples
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is because we want to we want to outline that
this is more common, perhaps than you might think, and
this blurring of the line between reality and fiction is
much more easily accomplished now that we we live in
this instantaneous, pervasive information. So it could be that it
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could be that someone just made it up and said,
you know, this is this is gonna be my my
opus maybe at all, maybe break maybe you break some
kind of code now that they use, like hash encryptions
and stuff. Maybe break some kind of code somehow and
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you get a web address and you type it in
and it's just a rick Roll video. Maybe. But to
do all that on that website, to do all of
this through an almost underage if not underage, you know,
pornography site, pretty creepy, that's true. So when let's talk
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about some things that would some connected tissues. So when uh,
when that redator to six announced that religion a piece
of path the way or Dutch Milo. They said that
they were going to bury him near various ashes, near
a farm, uh that he used to live on, but
there was a mall there now. So people have based
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on the name Lake City and this information about farm,
tried to trace the coordinates of this. Um okay, I'm
getting a little bit ahead of myself. Uh. The two
six even just to keep you there. To six even
posted an image and said this, here's where Milo is now.
And it's an image on Google Maps and it's right
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next to a little strip mall. It's just it looks
like a place that's being developed, like a little attracted
land that's being developed. He's like, that's where he is.
So there's another there's another important thing here. We're talking
about the name Lake City, quiet pills, creepy, right. It
comes from another person on a website called fark an Angel.
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To six remember farc from back in the day that
was I used to go to that side. Yeah, yeah,
it's I mean some back in the day stuff. He
was posting there since two thousand and one and his
tagline was, you know, like his signature line that would
show up and then for was dispensing Lake City Quiet
Pills to lousy bastards and need a permanent rest since nine, yes,
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and his email address was at Lake City Quiet Pills
dot com. So it would appear then that he and
Dutch Milo would both have access to this or are
the same person having to be different people. But this
is way back in two thousand one. I mean, this
is really committing to the bit, isn't it. And we
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have just to reiterate here. The reddit user's name is
to dash six, and then this is angel to dash six,
except in this version on farc it's spelled out two
S I X. And we also see these different connections
that a lot of astute redditors have made with the
Lake City connect Remember that rehdeator we mentioned uh zass
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coquan uh that's ojibe for fry bread. And we have
someone named sister Psythe who said that they were uh
that that they identified the location of that map that
to six posted that it's a reservation at fond Lack.
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This means that, in this rehdator's opinion, Lake City could
be a reference to Duluth, Minnesota. But there's another and
somewhat more compelling argument for Lake City Quiet Pills. Yeah,
it's in Missouri, maybe because there's this thing called the
Lake City Army Ammunition Plant. It's in Independence, Missouri. It
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was originally constructed in nineteen one by the by Uncle Sam.
And it's one of several government owned ammunition plants where
they make all the bullets for the Army and Navy
and Air Force and special forces, all that stuff. And
it's the primary it's the United States primary production source
for small caliber rifle ammunition, hence a Lake City quiet pill,
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and it's commonly referred to as Lake City ammo. And
the plant itself is pretty famous among shooters and handloaders.
Most people hadn't heard them being called quiet pills before.
Most of the American military surplus m O that people
do use to shoot comes from Lake City. Like this
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place is an enormous plant. There are people who, let's
go back and forth on this, but I like that
we're pro and conning the the truthiness of it. So
and there are other people who think this is absolutely hoax.
Timeline be damned. They say that, um, they say that
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religion of piece is not a guy who served in
the military in the late forties, and they do some
quotes because religion of pieces. I was in the Navy
until forty five. I didn't see any land combat until
Palestine and forty seven. I saw it then both sides,
and continued seeing it until I got too old. So
if we walk through some of the math, that would
make him eighteen at least in I mean he was
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born earlier the which would make him eighty in two
thousand seven, around eighty two in two thousand nine, when
to six said that he passed away. So maybe the
story is changing, Maybe the guy is mistaken. We don't
know how well they knew each other. Uh. There's another
thing people try called contextual grammar analysis, and this would
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be running a passage through a through an algorithm essentially,
or through some software that would guess the age of
the person writing. Yeah. I don't know how you guys feel.
I think that's interesting science, but I don't know how
dependable that is. I wouldn't bet the farm on it
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or the strip mall. There's also seems to be a
perspective if you dig through some of the Reddit threads
on this subject, that a lot, if not all, of
the people involved in this ring and that we're posting
on this site were ex military where it was like
a ring of like former rangers and you know, high level,
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highly trained military personnel, um, and that that kind of
rings true here to me. Yeah, I could definitely see it.
So if they're tied into let us say, for the
sake of argument, that the let's say, for the sake
of argument, that this is some sort of mercenary or
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assassin ring or even an intelligence operation. The first question
would be, why would you put these kind of notes
in source code on you know, a porn site, publicly
available porn slite. It seems pretty easy, easily discovered. Should
we read a couple more exerts? Yeah, I think that's
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a great idea. I got a really good one. This
is the one that really got to me from Religion
of Peace, posted seven years ago, and it got two points,
you guys said, I'm and this is just an excerpt
from it. Of course, there are assassinations. There are some
things that the legal system can't fix. So many people
actually believe that as left up as things are right now,
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and as they have been for the last twenty years,
that they aren't needed. I can think of any number
of criminal organizations that would benefit from a dose of
Lake City quiet pills. So there you have religion of
Peace using that phrase. And some of the other threads
that I've digging through here, we have a perspective that
some uh folks believed that this language was almost written
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in a way that made it sound like you would
expect ex military to sound, or like that the coded
language talk was just so over the top as not
to really be legit. But there's actually another podcast called
Thinking Sideways that different episode on this, and they consulted,
according to their post here on Reddit, consulted a large
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number of ex military special ops experts, etcetera um, and
they seem to believe that, as you mentioned earlier, than
it was simply more of an old school way of
speaking or writing these codes, and that most of them
that they showed it to felt that it was in
fact legit, which is interesting, goes you know, it's going
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back and forth on this. If they if they are
arranging assassinations in real life, then we would be able
to or we would hope that we would be able
to find an example of an assassination, you know what
I mean. Less these people are just getting together and LARPing. Well,
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there might have been one. There may be one example
rights spot on Matt the assassination of moth mood al Mabbo.
Can we take a quick sponsor break before we hop
into the details of that case. Absolutely. As we mentioned
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before the break, we do have more examples of these
comments that were found in the source code or in
the page source and we'll walk through a couple of
these and maybe see if they attach to like a
specific assassination. Right, So, our first first example here would
be um January January and it reads happy New Year everyone,
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We're having a birthday party for the old man on
the nineteen. Party starts at the usual send you R
s v P to Shade. Listen to the shape. It
keeps popping up. F y I. We're booking a room
for three days for anyone coming from out of area
and overnight for locals. Come hoist one for Dutch Milo. Okay,
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So it's an invite to a birthday party. That sounds innocuous,
sounds fine. And then on the of January we see
another message. We got thirty eight rooms in the Marriott
on forty six. Shade has the key cards for locals.
Pick up at the party, give your travel name to
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the desk and that's it. No, I d needed since
we're covering the bill, keep the room service under five okay, Swanky,
the phones are not secure. Bus from the hotel leaves
att car service vouchers for return trip when you're ready
to crash. Don't d U. I interesting wording here. I'm
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really interested in that thirty eight rooms. This is either
a giant part or that's code for something right. That's
very That's a very good point, Matt. This also coincides
with um that that quote that Nol just read uh
was on eighteen January, the day before there was an
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assassination in Dubai. Nineteen January, a man named Mahmoud al
Mapa was assassinated. He was wanted by the Israeli government
for kidnapping, a murder of two soldiers and eighty nine
as well as purchasing arms for Iran from Iran for
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use in Gaza. His assassination got a lot of international attention,
due in part to the belief that it was ordered
by the Israeli government and carried out by Massad agents
holding fake or stolen passports from different European countries and Australia.
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There were twenty six suspects. Uh, they were put on
Interpool's most wanted list because of the timeline of the
comments and because of the timeline of the assassination. Some
investigators believe that these are direct references. Right now, Yeah,
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and I believe this. This occurrence, this assassination had a
ton of video related to it. Video in the hotel
and the lobby, like next to the rooms, video of
people going in and out of a room, and it
was pretty high profile. I remember when lively get the
time I saw something. It's been a while and I
couldn't find anything on it in searching again. But this
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this is really interesting way it's lining up here at
least with the dates and some of this lingo. And
then a person on Reddit who an account which is
now deleted, went through and uh kind of compared these
two like what happened in real life and then what
happened on the site. And you know, there's all kinds
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of stuff in there. You might want to check it out.
What's the best way for people to find this? Ben
If you go to um the Reddit Bureau of Investigation,
which was great. I recommend those folks. Awesome subreddit if
you go there, or you can just search in your
net for Lake City Quiet Pills and then assassination. Yeah,
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throw in Reddit if you want as a cue word,
they'll take you right there. You might have to do
some digging within these these posts, but all this stuff
exists out there for you to kind of sink your
teeth into and dig deeper. And there's a thread I
found where someone was really starting to try to get
serious about digging in and finding some identities to associate
with these folks. And one of the responses is from
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a poster with the handle Jason Lee with j A
S and then Lee, and the response is quote, if
you're serious about this, be careful. As others have mentioned before,
the whole thing could be a hoax. But I don't
believe this is a fifteen year hoax for funzies. The
point being be cautious. These people don't seem to f around. Uh,
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use throwaway accounts and secure VPNs, and then give some
suggestions for good VPNs to use. So, yeah, I wouldn't
want anybody slinging Lake City Quiet Pills to roam around
my house or you know, around our office. That would
be a little creepy. And also also we want to
say that this. This has been investigated or dug into
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by many people, including the Thinking Sideways podcast that Nolan's mentioned,
including numerous reditors who did some great sleuthing. And you
have to wonder if there is a group of people
who are listening two shows like this, reading forums like
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the ones we checked out for this episode. If you
are there, if you are listening, feel free to write
to us. Yeah, that'd be great. You're giving me a
trepidacious look. No, no, I I am interested in this
line of work, and it's tough for me. You think
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about a changing career. No, No, although you would have,
you'd have to tell us that you were considering it, though. Yeah,
I can never go back there. Um. So I have
a hard time arguing with that logic that Religion of
Peace states in that one that one little post he
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made that there are messed up people in this world
and sometimes the you know, law can't reach them, the
long arm of the law isn't long enough, and sometimes
they have to go. And you know, that's a tough
thing to wrap your it around. It's a tough thing
for me to even stomach a little bit. But I
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feel like he might be right. There might be a
necessity for some kind of extra judicial killing. I think
he's absolutely right. I mean, whether or not it's philosophically right,
the fact of the matter is that this does occur.
You know, we live in an era and a time
when we have to ask ourselves an honest question. This
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species right. Are there really more skeletons in the closets
of the of you know, the various nation states or
is it just easier to see into those closets. I
don't think the number of skeletons has necessarily changed. I
think it's just easier for people to learn about things
like extraordinary rendition or black sites, or assassinations carried out
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by other intelligence agencies if you get into the murky
world of real politic. Uh, this is how the sauce
which is made. Which is the first time I've ever
used that figure of speech. Well, you folks out there,
you want to send us some of your sausage? Uh? Weird?
(35:11):
Do you make sausage at your house? Like I would
genuinely be interested in trying your So I'm just trying
to diffuse the diffuse the situation. Ramsey gave me, thankfully
of really awesome jar of Chipotle mustard that exists in
our refrigerator right now, and it would go really well
with any kind of you know, Polish sausage. If you
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want to tell us how your sausage is made, you
can send us stuff. We have various ways you can
do that. But before we list off those ways, UM robotically,
why don't we do a little up shot at corner.
Our first shout out today comes from Morgan UM and
I'm I'm a massive fan of this email. It starts off, Hey, guys,
(35:55):
Agent Liquid Cupcake checking in. I think she's referring to
the end of the episode on the Counterculture where we
said we would get people nicknames, nicknames, choose your own nickname,
secret a name. This is great. UM, just wanted to
drop an angle on you that wasn't particularly covered in
the counter Culture episode you just released. UM. Let me
(36:18):
start by saying, first off, that I am not some
sort of nitrogen based extra planner life form that lives
outside of time as it is understood in the set
of dimensions, and because of that, I was certainly not
the same age I am now, nor was I even
alive during the nineteen sixties on Earth. Thank you for
that um. Before the rise of the counterculture, most people
in the US had a much more right leaning, independent
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and small government mindset that made it hard for things
like ARPA and domestic spying to exist. The rise of
left wing politics and social programs as a result, created
a normalization of government intervention and everyday lives of citizens
of the U S. This, coupled with the constant security
threat of proxy war with the great enemy of the time, Russia,
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led to the idea that defense spending and government secrecy
it was not only tolerable, but essential to daily life.
This led eventually to the current state of affairs in
which the CIA has near total access to what amounts
to voluntary provided social modeling and behavioral data. Just to reminder,
time travel is not real and I do not live forever.
Have a good day of which there are a finite
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number for every person myself included. Well done, Liquid Cupcake,
thank you for writing to us. I really enjoyed that
one too. And that is an interesting angle when we
go into the ramifications or consequences of such a paradigm shift,
you know, like if we had described the kind of
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surveillance that exists now to our grandparents generation or something.
It would it would sound insane. It's a dystopian dude,
you guys. I watched All the President's Men last night.
You remember this movie, Robert Redford. It's all about all
about Watergate, and one of the main things is that surveillance,
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and they start to realize that, wait, they're surveilling all
of us. I mean, this is a country where several
very powerful government agencies existed off the books for years,
you know. And this, of course, this leads us to
to think, like, what else could be out there that
we don't know about, you know, but especially at a
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time when it was completely not thought that that could happen,
that perhaps an executive branch could work directly with an
intelligence agency and collect data on as many people as possible.
The next one comes from Bonnie. She says, I'm a
longtime listener. I love the show. Bonnie, you're the best.
She didn't write that. You put that part in and
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so true. You're showing others how stuff works. Helped me
through my many long, boring work days. Oh man, you
guys know how those are. Okay. So I was listening
to your recent Nazi Bell episode when you referenced the
Kecksburg incident. However, you said Kecksburg, Kentucky, but it's actually Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. Oops. Uh,
that's our bad. I'm originally from western Pennsylvania, not far
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from Kecksburg, and we would often call this backwoods part
of the state Pencil Tucky because of its similarity to Kentucky.
As a matter of fact, this part of the state
has even stood in for Kentucky. I'm assuming in film
or in media in some way the show Justified. Yes,
here we go answering my question. The show Justified was
supposed to take place in Kentucky, but some of the
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scenes were actually filmed not far from Kecksburg, so your
error was rather amusing. Bonnie also gave us some really
fun information about reactor, a nuclear reactor, and all kinds
of good stuff in her email, But we're not gonna
read the whole thing. We're just gonna thank you Bonnie
for writing to us, and uh for correcting us. Yes,
(39:58):
this is uh, this is the most important part of
the show. Thank you for keeping us honest, Bunny, and
also teaching us a little bit about Pencil Tucky, which
I haven't I haven't visited yet, but I'm looking forward
to traveling. Let's make our last shout out here, very
very short and sweet one. Uh Keith g you wrote
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in briefly and you said, Hi, guys, love the show.
I'm a longtime listener from Gloucester, England. Can you please
do me a shout out? Thank you for the cool podcast.
Cheers Keith, Keith, you get straight to the point, is it, chief, Keith?
Is it k I E F it's k e e
f mm hmm. Okay, so indeed, so shout out to you, Keith.
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And this concludes our gosh as well as our episode,
but not the show itself. Have no fear we will
be back, unless, of course, we take a dose of
Lake City Quiet pills. If you can hear from mus
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Here's the headline. Did a group of mercenaries use a
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We talked about assassinations in our newest book. Uh, and
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it's an ugly world. It's an ugly thing to do,
but it does happen all of the time. We called
this episode Lake City Quiet Pills. You remember this one. Yeah,
it's not something that I was aware of, this term
lake City Quiet Pills until all of us stumbled on
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this reddit, the series of Reddit posts, and my goodness,
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You can turn back now or learn the stuff they
don't want you to know. Hello, and welcome back to
the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
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They called me Ben. You are you and that makes
this stuff they don't want you to know. Today we're
talking about something, uh, something pretty weird. So maybe by
way of segue we can we can talk a little
bit about the Internet. Guy's ever heard of that? The Internet?
What's that big deal? That's a big deal. So what
(01:44):
is it though? The Internet? I'm so glad you asked.
Let's let's just explain that we're kidding. If you were
listening to this show, you already know what the Internet is.
You've listened to our earlier episodes on the Dark Web,
and we would to recommend a guy that we usually
give a hard time to. Uh, if you want to
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get a good nuts and bolts explanation of the technology
at work behind the Internet, head on over to Tech
Stuff with our friends, recurring guests, Yeah, recurring guest host,
and of course our complaint department. Jonathan Strickland's he's kind
of a friend of me in a way. You know,
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when I first started working here, he promoted me to
Nemesis at some point, and I thought he would let
it he I thought eventually we get tired of it.
Did you know? You guys have been riding that crazy
train ever since. I know, but he does know his
stuff about the Internet and technology. We're going to talk
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specifically about a strange mystery that occurred on on Reddit
a number of years ago with a strange name. It's
called Lake City Quiet Pills. That's pretty cool. I don't
know why. It gives me a shutter. It'll give you
more of a shutter once we get into it. Something
about that just on its own. Remember last episode we
(03:10):
talked about how like kind of simple, straightforward names seemed
the most nefarious at times. That has that thing, Yeah, definitely,
absolutely well we this thing is found was found originated
on a website called Reddit. If you don't know what
redd it is, let's get into it. It's a news
slash meme, I would say, aggregator. I would say it
(03:31):
kind of leans heavily on the second. Maybe you know,
there's a lot of news. That's where I get a
lot of my news. Uh. And in theory, it's driven
by reader interests. This it's up votes, down votes. Instead
of creating its own, you know, stories of Reddit publishing things.
It takes articles from other parts of the web, images
from other parts of the web, throws it on there
(03:51):
and let's all of the people vote on what's the
best and what's the worst. And the name itself is
a portmanteau really of reading and editing, and the people
that contribute to it are referred to as redditors because
not only do they consume the content on the side,
they are also largely responsible for the content on the site.
And there is sort of a hierarchy of up voting
and downvoting, like you're talking about, as far as what
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rises to the top and what things to the bottom.
So in theory, if everything is working well, read it
will become the sum of its participants interest And just
like Noel and that explained, Uh, that's rough up voting,
down voting of things reddit users. This is very important
or to a degree. Anonymous. Um, so sure, we've looked
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and we've looked into this in the past. It's it's
essentially so inconvenient to be anonymous on the web that
you might as well consider it impossible. But read, it
makes it very easy for someone to have a different
identity part of the draw. Really yeah, I I would
absolutely agree. And but sure, our our buddy are poor,
(04:59):
unfortunate an essay intern Steve oh Man, Steve, are you
doing okay? He probably knows everyone's real name and address,
But the average Reddit user won't know anything about other
reddit users or redditors unless they choose to reveal these details.
That means that it's very very difficult to know what's true,
and the community has evolved ways to prove things when necessary,
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but for the most part you can do and saying
post whatever you want. And lastly, it is like almost
like an ecosystem. It's it's it's sort of like a
combinations of a hybrid message board where there are little communities, subcommunities,
people that know each other and that communicate on a
regular basis and may voluntarily share information with one another
(05:44):
within a particularly close in the community within the reddit,
you know, ecosystem. That's a really good point. Yeah, And
another thing that we need to look at here is
when you make an account, a Reddit account and you
make posts, anyone can click on the name of your
account and see an entire backlog of everything that you've
publicly posted as a user of Reddit, which is super
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handy to the story we're getting into today, because there
is one person in particular that we're going to focus
on that this whole story revolves around. Yes, all of
this brings us to a redditor named Religion of Peace
all one word. This reditor was a shady dude sketching
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person bad ombre, apparently based on his comments right, Uh,
he was tied to some disreputable parts of Reddit. We
do want to warn you that some of the things
we're going to be citing here are severely not safe
for work, not at SFL, SFL, not safe for life,
So you if you desire to visit these, visit them
(06:52):
at your own risk. So, as Noel mentioned, Creddit is
an ecosystem that has these different can unities that are
focused on specific interests. So there might be you can
also anyone can make a new community, So there might
be something that's just for camaros. There might be something
that's just for magic, the gathering, magic the gathering, just
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like like a George R. Martin or something like that
particular series of books, you know, a product even I
mean it gets as granular as you your imagination will allow.
I think there's a subredit for our one of our
peer shows stuff you should know. Actually, you know, we
officially have one subredit conspiracy stuff we do. We do
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a user and I am so sorry if you're listening
to this. I don't remember who which person made it
for us, but it exists there. Oh holy smokes, it's
waiting to be curated by you, not not being a null,
but you the listener, you specifically listening to this, not
a general you know, you specifically like the you like
(07:58):
in the name of the show, like the stuff they
don't want you. Yes, you that you. It all just
came around to me that I realized that's that you.
We've been talking about this whole time, all right, So
now that we have established this, we know that people
can make their own communities. This guy Religion of Peace
was a moderator an administrator of UH communities like jail bait. Yeah,
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he's the one that he was a moderator of was
true jail bait, which sounds even worse. So this would
be you know, this is essentially on the line of
UM underage pornography. And he also ran a website called
that Old Guy's Image Host. Again, as Noel said in
sfl UH does contain pornographic material. And ordinarily this kind
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of posting history it's it's unfortunate, it's sleazy, but it's
not completely unheard of in in forums, you know, like
read it or it's Evil Genius UH sibling four Chan.
You know, these these kind of things happen because in
a lot of ways, people feel empowered when they are anonymous,
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and they will do things that you know they would
never do if you knew their real names. Back in
July two thousand and nine, another redditor going by the
name to six announced that Religion of Peace had passed
away at the age of seventy nine, and not that
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he passed away, but that he was seventy nine and moderating.
Right if this is true? Now this again, this seems yeah,
this seems sad but normal. You know, you can, as
Matt said, see the comments that are Reddit user has
made laid out in a timeline, and Religion of Pieces
comments are very interesting and far afield from what you
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would expect to find. It appears, in fact, that he
was someone with a lot of military backgrounds and that
his I guess criminal interest didn't just stay in the
flesh trade. He apparently specialized in arranging assassinations. Perhaps perhaps so,
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should we go through a couple of the posts that
he made, just so we can establish like more information
about this guy. Well, first of a little background, like
what are we talking to here? Like what what made
this language unusual? Okay? Sure, right, so the we walked
through it this way. So remember the website we mentioned
(10:43):
a minute ago, there was a predator named zassak Kwan
who found some information hidden in the page source in
the source code of that old guy's image host, and
it had the strange domain name of www dot Lake
City Quai at pills dot com. The site was also
run by Religion of Peace. What this Reddit user found
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appeared to be these coded messages related to hiring people
to conduct uh these military operations. And shortly after this
was discovered and armchair investigators were checking into it, another
redditor found that the code had changed. Whoever was running
the site had I guess up their game and used
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encrypted hashes. So here's the kind of stuff they were
saying before the code changed. I would say, standing on
the no fly list, let us know ahead of time
to make arrangements. Twelve March two thousand ten spec UH
four person team. These are all all in a lot
of like very strange shorthand initially slashes and shorthands and
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abbreviations and acronyms and things like that, and people have
made guesses about what some of this means. So for instance,
there's um, there's a part where it says fed c
c W A plus that means is probably UH concealing
carry permit UH and also says stuff like no us
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WW that probably stands for wants and warrants and this.
These references go around with UM with other parts of
the world, like the European Union is mentioned here. UH.
Fluency in French or fluency in English are mentioned here.
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Depending on the people you ask UH this. There are
people ex military who say that this sounds like outdated
military speak. So this could mean and this could mean
that Religion of Peace who's apparently also known as Dutch
Milo is a retired service member or who went mercenary.
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And nowadays there's a lot of money in going private industry.
I mean, I can't remember what Blackwater is calling itself now,
Academic or something perhaps, or they'll just think they'll get
a more increasingly vague name until one day they're just
group incorporated, you know. But when people found us, they thought,
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what the heck is going on? Who is the shade
guy they're referencing? Who's Dutch Milo? Is this an elaborate hoax?
Is this a marketing campaign? Some people thought it was
an alternate reality game. Is this an assassination squad? Well
we'll find out, right after a quick sponsor break, here's
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where it gets crazy. So we've established what's happening everything
up to now is a real thing. The big question
which people haven't quite been able to crack yet is
whether this is you know, whether whether this is just
somebody trolling on the internet, or whether it is a
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genuine mercenary ring or intelligence op of some sort that
was discovered. And there are arguments for and against it
being a hoax. But Matt, what's okay. So one of
the things we heard a lot when the argument in
the arguments for it being a hoax was the concept
of an a r G, as you said, an alternate
reality game. Could you tell us a little bit about that. Oh? Sure,
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one of these things is going to be involving all
kinds of different electronics, sometimes manual transmissions. Um, you're talking
about secret posts on websites, codes that are hidden somewhere
that if you're playing the game and you know what
the game is, you're gonna be looking for it. But
if you're not, then it's going to be innocuous. So
this is not like a web based like app, like
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a war game that has like a top down game
type set up. This is like almost like an a
digital scavenger hunt kind of set up where it's established
what the rules are, what the rules of play are,
and then you kind of have to figure out where
what you're looking for and where to look. Right kind of, Yeah,
this is something that's sort of out of my wheelhouse
a little bit. I'm trying to understand. It gets used
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a lot in viral marketing for say a film. Right,
so if you want to, uh, if you want to
get people excited about a Matrix reboot, which spoiler alert
is apparently happening, then you would, as as a marketer,
you would go and pepper in these little bread crumbs
on these different websites and people would maybe just see
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a billboard that had a phone number, and if you
went to that phone number, you get a weird message.
I remember one with the movie clover Field, for example,
with you know, like a monster movie slush show. They
had all these like sub brands that websites would pop
up and you would be like, what the hell is
this and then realize, oh, you click here and it
cross links you back to another thing, and yeah, I
get it. It does kind of like create this almost
mythology for a product and it gets people talking about it,
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and people you know on the internet love that. Yeah,
but there are other communities out there where it's not
just for marketing. It's a game that you can play
where if you sign up, you know, you create an
account on a website and you sign up to play
this game, then you'll get calls in the middle of
the night with someone who gives you like a secret
message or something by a real human or if sometimes
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by a robot, and then you it'll give you coordinates,
or it'll give you a place to be at a
certain time, and there will be a physical note left
there for you, or they'll be like a VHS tape
in a padded envelope left on your doorstep with footage
of you sleeping on it. I guess I'm just trying
to stress it. These things are very real. They're not
always for marketing, and they you know, you can play
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them for any number of reasons. Um sometimes to scare yourself,
sometimes for the mystery, and sometimes for the market, and
sometimes for job applications or for entry into elite communities
like Cicada. Yes, when you know, we had an update
(17:16):
from wired uh where ours technic I believe about that, uh,
that experience because an anonymous robotics student actually did manage
to crack the code, got into the gang, and you know,
worked with them on open source stuff, so that mystery
was somewhat salved. The reason we're bringing up these examples
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is because we want to we want to outline that
this is more common, perhaps than you might think, and
this blurring of the line between reality and fiction is
much more easily accomplished now that we we live in
this instantaneous, pervasive information. So it could be that it
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could be that someone just made it up and said,
you know, this is this is gonna be my my
opus maybe at all, maybe break maybe you break some
kind of code now that they use, like hash encryptions
and stuff. Maybe break some kind of code somehow and
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you get a web address and you type it in
and it's just a rick Roll video. Maybe. But to
do all that on that website, to do all of
this through an almost underage if not underage, you know,
pornography site, pretty creepy, that's true. So when let's talk
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about some things that would some connected tissues. So when uh,
when that redator to six announced that religion a piece
of path the way or Dutch Milo. They said that
they were going to bury him near various ashes, near
a farm, uh that he used to live on, but
there was a mall there now. So people have based
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on the name Lake City and this information about farm,
tried to trace the coordinates of this. Um okay, I'm
getting a little bit ahead of myself. Uh. The two
six even just to keep you there. To six even
posted an image and said this, here's where Milo is now.
And it's an image on Google Maps and it's right
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next to a little strip mall. It's just it looks
like a place that's being developed, like a little attracted
land that's being developed. He's like, that's where he is.
So there's another there's another important thing here. We're talking
about the name Lake City, quiet pills, creepy, right. It
comes from another person on a website called fark an Angel.
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To six remember farc from back in the day that
was I used to go to that side. Yeah, yeah,
it's I mean some back in the day stuff. He
was posting there since two thousand and one and his
tagline was, you know, like his signature line that would
show up and then for was dispensing Lake City Quiet
Pills to lousy bastards and need a permanent rest since nine, yes,
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and his email address was at Lake City Quiet Pills
dot com. So it would appear then that he and
Dutch Milo would both have access to this or are
the same person having to be different people. But this
is way back in two thousand one. I mean, this
is really committing to the bit, isn't it. And we
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have just to reiterate here. The reddit user's name is
to dash six, and then this is angel to dash six,
except in this version on farc it's spelled out two
S I X. And we also see these different connections
that a lot of astute redditors have made with the
Lake City connect Remember that rehdeator we mentioned uh zass
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coquan uh that's ojibe for fry bread. And we have
someone named sister Psythe who said that they were uh
that that they identified the location of that map that
to six posted that it's a reservation at fond Lack.
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This means that, in this rehdator's opinion, Lake City could
be a reference to Duluth, Minnesota. But there's another and
somewhat more compelling argument for Lake City Quiet Pills. Yeah,
it's in Missouri, maybe because there's this thing called the
Lake City Army Ammunition Plant. It's in Independence, Missouri. It
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was originally constructed in nineteen one by the by Uncle Sam.
And it's one of several government owned ammunition plants where
they make all the bullets for the Army and Navy
and Air Force and special forces, all that stuff. And
it's the primary it's the United States primary production source
for small caliber rifle ammunition, hence a Lake City quiet pill,
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and it's commonly referred to as Lake City ammo. And
the plant itself is pretty famous among shooters and handloaders.
Most people hadn't heard them being called quiet pills before.
Most of the American military surplus m O that people
do use to shoot comes from Lake City. Like this
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place is an enormous plant. There are people who, let's
go back and forth on this, but I like that
we're pro and conning the the truthiness of it. So
and there are other people who think this is absolutely hoax.
Timeline be damned. They say that, um, they say that
(22:59):
religion of piece is not a guy who served in
the military in the late forties, and they do some
quotes because religion of pieces. I was in the Navy
until forty five. I didn't see any land combat until
Palestine and forty seven. I saw it then both sides,
and continued seeing it until I got too old. So
if we walk through some of the math, that would
make him eighteen at least in I mean he was
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born earlier the which would make him eighty in two
thousand seven, around eighty two in two thousand nine, when
to six said that he passed away. So maybe the
story is changing, Maybe the guy is mistaken. We don't
know how well they knew each other. Uh. There's another
thing people try called contextual grammar analysis, and this would
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be running a passage through a through an algorithm essentially,
or through some software that would guess the age of
the person writing. Yeah. I don't know how you guys feel.
I think that's interesting science, but I don't know how
dependable that is. I wouldn't bet the farm on it
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or the strip mall. There's also seems to be a
perspective if you dig through some of the Reddit threads
on this subject, that a lot, if not all, of
the people involved in this ring and that we're posting
on this site were ex military where it was like
a ring of like former rangers and you know, high level,
(24:30):
highly trained military personnel, um, and that that kind of
rings true here to me. Yeah, I could definitely see it.
So if they're tied into let us say, for the
sake of argument, that the let's say, for the sake
of argument, that this is some sort of mercenary or
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assassin ring or even an intelligence operation. The first question
would be, why would you put these kind of notes
in source code on you know, a porn site, publicly
available porn slite. It seems pretty easy, easily discovered. Should
we read a couple more exerts? Yeah, I think that's
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a great idea. I got a really good one. This
is the one that really got to me from Religion
of Peace, posted seven years ago, and it got two points,
you guys said, I'm and this is just an excerpt
from it. Of course, there are assassinations. There are some
things that the legal system can't fix. So many people
actually believe that as left up as things are right now,
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and as they have been for the last twenty years,
that they aren't needed. I can think of any number
of criminal organizations that would benefit from a dose of
Lake City quiet pills. So there you have religion of
Peace using that phrase. And some of the other threads
that I've digging through here, we have a perspective that
some uh folks believed that this language was almost written
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in a way that made it sound like you would
expect ex military to sound, or like that the coded
language talk was just so over the top as not
to really be legit. But there's actually another podcast called
Thinking Sideways that different episode on this, and they consulted,
according to their post here on Reddit, consulted a large
(26:21):
number of ex military special ops experts, etcetera um, and
they seem to believe that, as you mentioned earlier, than
it was simply more of an old school way of
speaking or writing these codes, and that most of them
that they showed it to felt that it was in
fact legit, which is interesting, goes you know, it's going
(26:42):
back and forth on this. If they if they are
arranging assassinations in real life, then we would be able
to or we would hope that we would be able
to find an example of an assassination, you know what
I mean. Less these people are just getting together and LARPing. Well,
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there might have been one. There may be one example
rights spot on Matt the assassination of moth mood al Mabbo.
Can we take a quick sponsor break before we hop
into the details of that case. Absolutely. As we mentioned
(27:24):
before the break, we do have more examples of these
comments that were found in the source code or in
the page source and we'll walk through a couple of
these and maybe see if they attach to like a
specific assassination. Right, So, our first first example here would
be um January January and it reads happy New Year everyone,
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We're having a birthday party for the old man on
the nineteen. Party starts at the usual send you R
s v P to Shade. Listen to the shape. It
keeps popping up. F y I. We're booking a room
for three days for anyone coming from out of area
and overnight for locals. Come hoist one for Dutch Milo. Okay,
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So it's an invite to a birthday party. That sounds innocuous,
sounds fine. And then on the of January we see
another message. We got thirty eight rooms in the Marriott
on forty six. Shade has the key cards for locals.
Pick up at the party, give your travel name to
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the desk and that's it. No, I d needed since
we're covering the bill, keep the room service under five okay, Swanky,
the phones are not secure. Bus from the hotel leaves
att car service vouchers for return trip when you're ready
to crash. Don't d U. I interesting wording here. I'm
(28:55):
really interested in that thirty eight rooms. This is either
a giant part or that's code for something right. That's
very That's a very good point, Matt. This also coincides
with um that that quote that Nol just read uh
was on eighteen January, the day before there was an
(29:19):
assassination in Dubai. Nineteen January, a man named Mahmoud al
Mapa was assassinated. He was wanted by the Israeli government
for kidnapping, a murder of two soldiers and eighty nine
as well as purchasing arms for Iran from Iran for
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use in Gaza. His assassination got a lot of international attention,
due in part to the belief that it was ordered
by the Israeli government and carried out by Massad agents
holding fake or stolen passports from different European countries and Australia.
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There were twenty six suspects. Uh, they were put on
Interpool's most wanted list because of the timeline of the
comments and because of the timeline of the assassination. Some
investigators believe that these are direct references. Right now, Yeah,
(30:23):
and I believe this. This occurrence, this assassination had a
ton of video related to it. Video in the hotel
and the lobby, like next to the rooms, video of
people going in and out of a room, and it
was pretty high profile. I remember when lively get the
time I saw something. It's been a while and I
couldn't find anything on it in searching again. But this
(30:48):
this is really interesting way it's lining up here at
least with the dates and some of this lingo. And
then a person on Reddit who an account which is
now deleted, went through and uh kind of compared these
two like what happened in real life and then what
happened on the site. And you know, there's all kinds
(31:10):
of stuff in there. You might want to check it out.
What's the best way for people to find this? Ben
If you go to um the Reddit Bureau of Investigation,
which was great. I recommend those folks. Awesome subreddit if
you go there, or you can just search in your
net for Lake City Quiet Pills and then assassination. Yeah,
(31:32):
throw in Reddit if you want as a cue word,
they'll take you right there. You might have to do
some digging within these these posts, but all this stuff
exists out there for you to kind of sink your
teeth into and dig deeper. And there's a thread I
found where someone was really starting to try to get
serious about digging in and finding some identities to associate
with these folks. And one of the responses is from
(31:53):
a poster with the handle Jason Lee with j A
S and then Lee, and the response is quote, if
you're serious about this, be careful. As others have mentioned before,
the whole thing could be a hoax. But I don't
believe this is a fifteen year hoax for funzies. The
point being be cautious. These people don't seem to f around. Uh,
(32:18):
use throwaway accounts and secure VPNs, and then give some
suggestions for good VPNs to use. So, yeah, I wouldn't
want anybody slinging Lake City Quiet Pills to roam around
my house or you know, around our office. That would
be a little creepy. And also also we want to
say that this. This has been investigated or dug into
(32:41):
by many people, including the Thinking Sideways podcast that Nolan's mentioned,
including numerous reditors who did some great sleuthing. And you
have to wonder if there is a group of people
who are listening two shows like this, reading forums like
(33:02):
the ones we checked out for this episode. If you
are there, if you are listening, feel free to write
to us. Yeah, that'd be great. You're giving me a
trepidacious look. No, no, I I am interested in this
line of work, and it's tough for me. You think
(33:23):
about a changing career. No, No, although you would have,
you'd have to tell us that you were considering it, though. Yeah,
I can never go back there. Um. So I have
a hard time arguing with that logic that Religion of
Peace states in that one that one little post he
(33:44):
made that there are messed up people in this world
and sometimes the you know, law can't reach them, the
long arm of the law isn't long enough, and sometimes
they have to go. And you know, that's a tough
thing to wrap your it around. It's a tough thing
for me to even stomach a little bit. But I
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feel like he might be right. There might be a
necessity for some kind of extra judicial killing. I think
he's absolutely right. I mean, whether or not it's philosophically right,
the fact of the matter is that this does occur.
You know, we live in an era and a time
when we have to ask ourselves an honest question. This
(34:26):
species right. Are there really more skeletons in the closets
of the of you know, the various nation states or
is it just easier to see into those closets. I
don't think the number of skeletons has necessarily changed. I
think it's just easier for people to learn about things
like extraordinary rendition or black sites, or assassinations carried out
(34:50):
by other intelligence agencies if you get into the murky
world of real politic. Uh, this is how the sauce
which is made. Which is the first time I've ever
used that figure of speech. Well, you folks out there,
you want to send us some of your sausage? Uh? Weird?
(35:11):
Do you make sausage at your house? Like I would
genuinely be interested in trying your So I'm just trying
to diffuse the diffuse the situation. Ramsey gave me, thankfully
of really awesome jar of Chipotle mustard that exists in
our refrigerator right now, and it would go really well
with any kind of you know, Polish sausage. If you
(35:33):
want to tell us how your sausage is made, you
can send us stuff. We have various ways you can
do that. But before we list off those ways, UM robotically,
why don't we do a little up shot at corner.
Our first shout out today comes from Morgan UM and
I'm I'm a massive fan of this email. It starts off, Hey, guys,
(35:55):
Agent Liquid Cupcake checking in. I think she's referring to
the end of the episode on the Counterculture where we
said we would get people nicknames, nicknames, choose your own nickname,
secret a name. This is great. UM, just wanted to
drop an angle on you that wasn't particularly covered in
the counter Culture episode you just released. UM. Let me
(36:18):
start by saying, first off, that I am not some
sort of nitrogen based extra planner life form that lives
outside of time as it is understood in the set
of dimensions, and because of that, I was certainly not
the same age I am now, nor was I even
alive during the nineteen sixties on Earth. Thank you for
that um. Before the rise of the counterculture, most people
in the US had a much more right leaning, independent
(36:40):
and small government mindset that made it hard for things
like ARPA and domestic spying to exist. The rise of
left wing politics and social programs as a result, created
a normalization of government intervention and everyday lives of citizens
of the U S. This, coupled with the constant security
threat of proxy war with the great enemy of the time, Russia,
(37:01):
led to the idea that defense spending and government secrecy
it was not only tolerable, but essential to daily life.
This led eventually to the current state of affairs in
which the CIA has near total access to what amounts
to voluntary provided social modeling and behavioral data. Just to reminder,
time travel is not real and I do not live forever.
Have a good day of which there are a finite
(37:23):
number for every person myself included. Well done, Liquid Cupcake,
thank you for writing to us. I really enjoyed that
one too. And that is an interesting angle when we
go into the ramifications or consequences of such a paradigm shift,
you know, like if we had described the kind of
(37:47):
surveillance that exists now to our grandparents generation or something.
It would it would sound insane. It's a dystopian dude,
you guys. I watched All the President's Men last night.
You remember this movie, Robert Redford. It's all about all
about Watergate, and one of the main things is that surveillance,
(38:08):
and they start to realize that, wait, they're surveilling all
of us. I mean, this is a country where several
very powerful government agencies existed off the books for years,
you know. And this, of course, this leads us to
to think, like, what else could be out there that
we don't know about, you know, but especially at a
(38:32):
time when it was completely not thought that that could happen,
that perhaps an executive branch could work directly with an
intelligence agency and collect data on as many people as possible.
The next one comes from Bonnie. She says, I'm a
longtime listener. I love the show. Bonnie, you're the best.
She didn't write that. You put that part in and
(38:54):
so true. You're showing others how stuff works. Helped me
through my many long, boring work days. Oh man, you
guys know how those are. Okay. So I was listening
to your recent Nazi Bell episode when you referenced the
Kecksburg incident. However, you said Kecksburg, Kentucky, but it's actually Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. Oops. Uh,
that's our bad. I'm originally from western Pennsylvania, not far
(39:17):
from Kecksburg, and we would often call this backwoods part
of the state Pencil Tucky because of its similarity to Kentucky.
As a matter of fact, this part of the state
has even stood in for Kentucky. I'm assuming in film
or in media in some way the show Justified. Yes,
here we go answering my question. The show Justified was
supposed to take place in Kentucky, but some of the
(39:38):
scenes were actually filmed not far from Kecksburg, so your
error was rather amusing. Bonnie also gave us some really
fun information about reactor, a nuclear reactor, and all kinds
of good stuff in her email, But we're not gonna
read the whole thing. We're just gonna thank you Bonnie
for writing to us, and uh for correcting us. Yes,
(39:58):
this is uh, this is the most important part of
the show. Thank you for keeping us honest, Bunny, and
also teaching us a little bit about Pencil Tucky, which
I haven't I haven't visited yet, but I'm looking forward
to traveling. Let's make our last shout out here, very
very short and sweet one. Uh Keith g you wrote
(40:20):
in briefly and you said, Hi, guys, love the show.
I'm a longtime listener from Gloucester, England. Can you please
do me a shout out? Thank you for the cool podcast.
Cheers Keith, Keith, you get straight to the point, is it, chief, Keith?
Is it k I E F it's k e e
f mm hmm. Okay, so indeed, so shout out to you, Keith.
(40:43):
And this concludes our gosh as well as our episode,
but not the show itself. Have no fear we will
be back, unless, of course, we take a dose of
Lake City Quiet pills. If you can hear from mus
on Friday. In the meantime, you can find us on Instagram,
(41:04):
you can find us on Facebook. We're on Twitter. We're
doing all sorts of stuff. You can check out every
episode that Noel, Matt and I have ever done on
our website Deep Breath stuff, they dot com and we
have we have a few announcements actually just as we
throw this up, so we have been gone from the
(41:25):
world of YouTube for a while. You guys, we've been
doing some different things. Yes, it's been too long. We
shouldn't have left you without a dope beat the step too.
But we have been working behind the scenes. Um, Noel,
Matt and I very closely on a new video that
is out now. It is live. You can watch it
for free on Amazon and we'll be posting this everywhere.
(41:49):
You may recall we did an audio episode about the
Georgia Guidestones. This is more in depth exploration that from
the video angle, and we have Matt as our behind
the camera sorcerer. Uh. We have Noel giving an exclusive
interview with stuff about the guide Stones that you're not
(42:10):
gonna hear anywhere else. It's not really exclusive. I here
all the time, you guys that you can ask me anything.
So if you were a fan of that episode, this
is really going to flesh out a lot of what
we talked about, a lot of what Noel said his
story in relation to the Guide Stones and to why
it's Martin and is narrated by Ben. So you have
those dulcet tones coming through, riding all the way to
(42:32):
the end. I love it. It makes me happy having
you in there. And then Noel comes in gives his
interviews and then we get back to ben. I feel
like sometimes you get a little puppet mastery. Wait wait oh,
when I'm behind, when I'm editing, I just you know,
you called us marionettes that one time. You're here my
(42:53):
little playthings that I make move around on the TV.
No puppet puppet of Just a few more things about
this video that exists, all right, So it's on Amazon.
You can watch it for free if you have Prime.
You can also watch it with commercials. If you don't
have Prime, and it's on Amazon dot com slash, I
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Prime Video and you can click on and watch it there.
If you enjoyed the audio podcast, you're gonna love this
video because it really shows you the story that we
discussed on air. So take the time watch it. It's
about twenty minutes long. It's good, and that's the end
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