September 21, 2023 • 36 mins
Sam Hill recounts a disturbing story of Chinese forces buying up family farmland in the United States, prompting a conversation about the multibillion dollar shady practice of international real estate. Anon asks for help figuring out what appears to be a case of meditative, multiversal travel. Rice asks whether it's possible to voluntarily trigger the release of adrenaline through thought alone. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is Nolan.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
They called me Bed. We're joined as always with our
super producer Alexis Cod named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
you are you. You are here. That makes this the
stuff they don't want you to know. And we want
to welcome some very special guests. Every Thursday. We are
immensely fortunate to do something that we call listener mail
because spoiler, that's what it is. Nobait and switch. Here,
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We've got a bevy of amazing correspondence. We're gonna learn
a little bit about meditation, physical manifestation. We're gonna learn
about mind over matter in terms of what you can
make your brain and your nervous and hormonal system do
by the power of thought alone. And before we get
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into any of that thought, it might be fun to
answer a little question. Might need some help around robbining
This from person who wrote an email to us that
made me say what in the Sam Hill? Because that's
the name they're going by. Sam Hill.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, that's really great.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You wrote that, Sam, that's all prating credit to you.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, who was it?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
A favorite nickname of ours? Frank Lloyd Wrong. I saw
that on a TV show a couple of days ago.
I'm pretty sure they grabbed it from that might have
been parallel thinking, but I was like, that's that's that.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
That was great.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, let's hear from Sam Hill.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And here's Sam. Sam says, I'm a longtime listener who
has always wondered if I would ever have a reason
to write. Well, I found one. You can read this
on the show if you choose and refer to me
as Sam Hill. Done and done brou Sam says, I
don't know if you've covered this topic in depth in
a previous show, but I couldn't find one if you did.
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Sam is kind of following up on some of the
questions we raised with real estate and farming. Sam says,
I grew up on a family farm in central Wisconsin.
I recently took my girlfriend on a tour of the
area where I grew Note where I grew up, noting
all the changes in the thirty six years since I
left the farm. Life and moved to the city. The
only building still intact was the house we lived in. Unfortunately, Sam,
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that's experience that's going to be common to a lot
of us. Your faithful correspondence included Sam says, I moved
away in nineteen eighty seven to pursue music in the city. Sam.
The first few times I read this, I swear man,
I thought you said I moved away in nineteen eighty
seven to pursue magic in the city. I was like, oh,
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this is about a twist. But anyway, so Sam continues
and says, when I went to college, I was turned
down for any financial aid of any kind because my
parents made too much money as farmers, and two years
later my family lost the farm due to financial hardships.
Sam points out this is another bigger discussion that needs
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to happen around farm subsidies. So he says, also, the
neighbor down the road from us bought our farm at
an auction and took it over. I don't recall what
we had at the for acreage. At the time, we
had four hundred and eighty acres in the mid seventies,
got as high as eight hundred and forty acres.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
In the heyday.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, big operation, and the neighbor who bought their land
had an even larger farm. And so with that background,
Sam says, fast forward back to now, so we're back
to the future with Sam. Sam says, I found out
while visiting with my family that the neighbor who owned
all that land recently sold it to China. I was
both stunned and saddened to think that my childhood home
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had been sold to interest outside of the United States.
Whatever the amount of acreage involved, I assure you it
was significant. It's also an extremely large milk producing dairy farm.
And I online says Sam that Congress is currently discussing
the rampant buying of American farmland by China. My question is,
how is this even allowed to happen? To begin with?
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Would I be able to just buy up land in China?
Our land was used for growing corn, wheats, oats, soybeans,
et cetera. Is the food grown there now shipped to
China or do they sell it here? Do they qualify
for the same subsidies as domestic farmers. I would love
to know more about the background on how this is
allowed to happen, as well as what Congress might do
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to stop this from happening. Spoiler, Sam, not much. In short,
can you tell me what the Sam Hill is going on?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Isn't this just a question of capitalism, Like our country
is just like yes, buy whatever, sell whatever, but countries
like China, Russia, other countries in the world are more nationalistic.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well well, okay, but I think there might be an
error here because I don't think that farm was sold
to quote China. It was probably sold to Chinese interest
private companies that maybe operate out of China or are
owned in China.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, and that's a really great point, Matt. You're a
mind reader, dude. That's where we start. Because the government
quote unquote of China or the People's Republic, they're not
going to be buying a lot of stuff directly. That
doesn't make sense. It could be a state owned proxy
company or an investment firm. It's much more likely, however,
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that it could be a non wholly owned state subsidiary.
It could be a very wealthy individual who wants to
find a safe place to park their money. And that
is definitely something that we are going to see on
the uptick now. Because the nation of China is incountering
some dangerous storm clouds on the horizon. It's not just
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the bill of the one child policy coming due. There
is a lot of there are many economic plot twists ahead,
and wish the people of that country the best of
luck with those. So yeah, you're absolutely spot on, man.
It's probably not the big government of China. It's not
like Giping is slamming the kitchen table going I need
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more milk and o and soybeans. Maybe he is, I don't,
I've never hung out with him.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It would be a smart move to control the manufacturing
of food in you know, a rivaling country.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Absolutely, yeah, which is why, Which is why there's such
a double edged sword or devil edged sword if we
want to keep the misspeak there to farm subsidies in general.
But there's another question, Sam asked, and Sam, it's fascinating
that we haven't addressed this in more depth in previous
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episodes or listener mail segments. Sam says something very reasonable.
Can I just go buy land in China? You know,
if I have, Sam Hill, if I like, if I
have a couple hundred mil can I just roll up
somewhere and say I'm gonna buy this village?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Well, I mean, you know, to travel to other countries,
you have to have certain credentials and certain bona fides
and like visas and things like that to get a job.
So one would think to purchase land that would benefit
your personal portfolio, you would have to have something similar, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And it gets it can get pretty dicey because, as
as mentioned earlier here, there are many countries that do
not really allow foreigners to own property or real estate,
and a big part of that is the shadow of
imperialism and colonialism. The world learned how that can go
wrong right now, and this may be astonishing for some
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of us. There's no what you could call land ownership
or freehold owning land in China the way there is
in the US and a lot of the West. All
of the urban land in the nation of China is
owned by the Chinese government, like right out by the
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Chinese government. You can get these leases on this state
owned land. And if you go outside of the city,
if you try to buy that farm, for instance, what
you'll find is all suburban and all rural or agricultural
land is owned by collectives, local groups of farmers. It's
called collective land. So let's assume you're a Chinese national.
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You can say, hey, can I get a lease on
this land, and they'll lease it to you. Can I
use it for something? Can I grow you know, can
I grow soybeans or et cetera on this land? Then yeah,
But when they allow you to use it, when they
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allow you to lease it, you cannot transfer ownership of it.
So if you have least like if you're a real
estate magnet magnet and you have least the land to
build a huge apartment complex, you can't really sell it
because it's not really yours. It's changing a little bit.
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I think it was in twenty nineteen there was a
law pass that allows rural collectives to transfer I guess
not even ownership, but transfer the ability to use land
for certain things like hey, you can grow you know,
potatoes here. Just remember it's not really yours. And for
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people in the US, that can seem that can seem
very strange.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Totalitarian kind of you know.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, And so I was looking at with your question, Sam,
it kind of turned me into a dog with a ball.
It's kind of difficult to get citizenship in China, and
getting citizenship would allow you to participate in this lease scheme.
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China is actually, if you're in the West, China is
one of the most difficult countries when it comes to citizenship.
It's like Vatican City, Liechtenstein, Bhutan, Cutter Saudi Arabia, Switzerland, China,
and you know all the hits like North Korea or Iran.
It's going to be much more expensive than buying land
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here in the United States. And that barrier to entry
is one hundred percent on purpose.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, that makes sense, That's what I would have assumed.
But to the listener's point in question, are there opportunities
elsewhere for that and what are the benefits?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, So, as I said earlier, there are a lot
of countries that, due almost entirely to the concerns of
colonialism and other exploitative systems, have just said, look, if
you are not from here, you don't own land here.
But of course money moves, and there are ways around this.
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It is not uncommon, for example, for wealthy Westerners to
relocate to Thailand and then get a business partner or
get a spouse or something, and then have the land
in that spouse's name right, and just hope their relationship
works out or hope their business partner keeps it one
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hundred with them the entire time. That adds a level
of risk that is not present in US real estate.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I know there's some stuff going on. We talked about
it before with Saudi Arabia right where there were nationals
buying up expensive properties in large bulk rates basically, but
there was also some recent reporting out of CBS News
about a Saudi Arabian company buying up land. I want
to say it was in the Southwest, like Arizona, Nevada,
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those areas, and they were accessing aquifer water water that
was deep low and they were just pulling it out
of the ground for uses that were not necessarily for
like an American company or something like that. I don't
know what I'm You're.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
One hundred percent right yet again, now what you're talking
about is Fondo Monte Fondomnte is a company. Is how
the shell game works. It's a company that's owned by
another big dairy company that is of course owned in
practice by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, by the House
of Saud. You're absolutely right. It was western Arizona. They
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bought a ton of land there, not necessarily to grow anything.
But to practice resource extraction of the groundwater aquifer because
in that part of the US there are absolutely no
regulations on how much water can be humped out of
the ground. Nesley must be so pissed right now.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, we should have figured that one out.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No, have you figured out our game? Is what Neslie says.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
M Well, again, my original point was like capitalism. It's
like our whole system is based on like resource extraction,
paying for resources, paying for commodities, and the system is
so behind the new data about how this is actually
very bad for life on this planet. And not to
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mention the lobbies and stuff that are like trying to
keep it in the old way, but it's just really
hard to walk it back, you know. So I think
the fact that anyone from any country can buy land
here makes sense.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It tracks for the way we do business.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, I would agree with that, And and Sam, I
would agree with you as well that there is an
unsustainable discrepancy here. And you hit on two points that
are simply going to become more and more important as
the years while on. Unless the religious folks are right
about that red cow that we discussed earlier this week,
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right now, what we would love to do. Would love
to hear from people who have firsthand experience with struggling
family farms. Tell us the real deal about this. We
would also love to hear your experience with foreign investors
in real estate or hey, if you have a story
to tell, tell us about your experience as a non
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native somewhere in the world participating in the real estate game,
because again, my understanding is it gets much much easier
the more money you have. One eight three three std
WYTK Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. We're going to pause
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with more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And we're back. We are going to hear a little
story here from an anonymous person that I am going
to guys, I'm going to give this person a nickname
at the end, but I'm going to wait until we
hear the phrase within the stories. Yeah, okay, here we go,
and Anonymous rights. Hi, guys, a long time listener, first
(15:20):
time sharer. I wanted to share with you a quote
supernatural story that happened to me and my three year
old son this past Tuesday on nine to five. I
think that you may find it interesting. Before I start,
I just want to point out that I've had multiple
supernatural encounters since i was a little boy growing up
with my parents' house, from seeing full bodied apparitions to
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hearing disembodied voices and objects moving. I guess seeing objects moving,
so I'm no stranger to otherworldly encounters.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I was listening to your podcast on is Reality a Simulation?
And I figured this was the push I needed to
share this. My wife, who is of Jewish faith and
of Catholic faith, have our religious views. We both tend
to fall more into spiritualism and focus on meditation and
letting the universe guide us. We often listen to various
manifestations and reality shift meditations, and our strong believers in
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the multiverse.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Sorry for this info, dumb. Let me dive into the
story to note. My wife was at work since eight
am and my seven year old son was at school,
so only my three year old and I were in
the house. While taking a break from my work, my
three year old son and I were playing a game
of cat and mouse. Interesting, I've never played a game
of cat.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And mouse with my kids.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, is that like chase or.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
To continue?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
While running down the hall toward my three year old's room.
I passed my bedroom. Out of the corner of my eye,
I could have sworn I saw my wife sitting up
on our bed, a human shaped figure against a white,
leathery headboard.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's kind of hard to miss.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Now, knowing that she was not at home, and aware
of the fact that I was running through the hallway,
I kept going and chalked it up to my eyes
playing tricks. However, not five seconds later, my three year
old runs into his brother's room. That's my seven year
old who's at school, and says out loud and as
clear as day.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Aha, there you are. I got your mama.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I kid you not. When he said those words, my
face dropped. I walked into the other room and said, baby,
what did you say? Being three, his attention span is
as good as a fli's and he comes running over
for a hug. I said to him, why did you
say I got your mama? And he said, I saw mama.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Now, I've seen enough horror ghost movies in my life
to know that this usually means something ominous. I immediately
call my wife and ask her if she's okay, to
which she responded that everything was fine. I explained the
story and she told me that she was on her
lunch break and really was wishing she was back home napping.
She said she was in her car and before I called,
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she had just finished doing a reality shift meditation. Okay,
can we take a pause real quick? What is a
reality shift meditation?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
This is a style of meditation, let's say, like a
guided meditation. Usually that exists. It's very common now, especially
you can find it on TikTok, Instagram, places like that YouTube.
There are like ten minute, twenty minute guided meditations for
reality shifting. The concept here, at least to my understanding,
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is that you can alter your reality. The reality that
is surrounding you are the one that you are operating
in your avatar. You can change that by focusing on
the changes you wish to see. That's the concept, right,
But it goes deeper to where some people think you're
physically shifting timelines. It gets into multiverse theory where theoretically
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there are an infinite number of Matt Fredericks and Noel
Brown's have been Bolan's, and we.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Can change cashers an anthem by location. Yeah, it's a
whole thing. It's all about.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
It also sounds like mentally forcing an acid trip or
something kind of to a certain degree.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No matter what you are, you are using your mind.
You're like focusing and shaping your mind to kind of
change the way you maybe see things because of what
you want to see. Right, It's more like shifting perspective
in my opinion than actually shifting realities.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
But yeah, it's a psychological transcendence. The difference between this
and the idea of forcing an acid trip or creating
a psychedelic experience in your own mind, which is totally possible,
is that in this case, our person who for now
is anonymous, saw the result which would not happen with
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a with a self induced meditation, and continues to say,
we came to the conclusion that this was her manifestation
coming through and that in another reality she was home
with us getting a chance to nap.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
She manifested naptime.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, but like physically a cross time and space and
into her bedroom and then into her one of her
son's rooms hanging out. Okay, let's finish up the message
here from Anonymous. We've been doing these types of manifestations
for about two years now. Nothing like this has happened before.
I do not believe there's some entity in my house.
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In the six years we've been there, nothing out of
the normal has happened. Again. I know this is a
lot to read, and sorry, I've heard the infodel. Just
wanted to share this little nugget of weirdness. Agreed never
and then thank you anonymous aka white leather headboard. That's
it stood out to me so much. God yes of
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his leathery white headboard on his bed. I was like,
what kind of like and not leather?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
You know, so shout out to you. W L h
us send us a picture. Is it creepy for us
us to ask for a picture of the bedroom? Well,
there's a reason because see, knowing where the kid is running, like,
knowing how it looks from the hallway, you know, encounters
peripheral vision, et cetera, et cetera. Matt, I got to
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tell you, honestly, I practice a lot of meditation, so
I'm a little biased on this one. Three a lot
of weird stuff. So I have to recuse myself by
simply saying I don't think science has the answers, and
I'm gonna stand by that.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well that's a I mean, that's a pretty good answer
in my opinion. I've done some experimentations with astral travel attempts.
Let's say with that those kinds of things we've been
We've been covering this for so long. I'm sure we've
tried a number of things that we don't even tell
each other about because honestly, they're a little weird. I mean,
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you know, they interest us, and for me personally, there's
a bit of a fear if I told you guys
some of the weird junk I've attempted, you know, associated
with our episodes Matt.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
You know the you know, the past of my family.
So it's like, I'm pretty sure that if you if
you described something, even if I didn't know exactly what
it was, I would probably just back you up. I'd
be like, yeah, you don't give it a shot. Who knows,
don't hurt anybody.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
But what I would say is I have had experiences
in a meditative state where it feels as though I
am somewhere else, My consciousness is in another physical location,
and I feel as though I am observing things that
are occurring in that location. And I know that sounds
really weird, and I'm using the phrase I feel as
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though because that is how I experiencesing it, Well, that's
how I experience it. It doesn't mean that I'm actually there,
But wow, what if you could.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I have a really good friend who I knew in
like middle school, but he was older than me and
was like a really cool artist guy, and then i'd
sort of reconnect with him later in life, and he
is this filmmaker and really into like astrophysics and like
psychedelic stuff, but he's never been like a heavy drug user.
But the first couple of times we hung out, like
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later in life, he just told me unequivocally that he
astral projects all the time and like really believes it.
And it really was the first time that I was
forced to question my judgment about something like that, where.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I was like, he believes it. He's saying it in
such a matter of fact way. I'm like, how could
I possibly call this man a liar? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Like's that's rude at the very least, disrespectful at the
very most. And I was just like it really made
me rethink, you know, And I don't think he's mentally ill.
He's a very functional, creative person, you know. And I
was just really taken by how much he expressed it
with such confidence.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, we're certainly not the only ones. Neither is White
leather Headboard and his spouse. There are people out there
all over the planet right now experimenting with this stuff,
attempting this stuff. Some people taking it a lot more
seriously than others, right like choosing to focus on this
as almost to study or to incorporate it in part
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of their lives as something they do every day. Maybe
you could compare it to prayer, like everyday prayer kind.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Of thing that, yeah, that's great, smart.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Or even waking up and reading a newspaper like that
kind of ritual that watches people.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Have that kind Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, you know me man, and I play some importance
on ritual. I think it's it's important and just lives
as individuals, and it echoes up, It resonates upward into
social dynamics of groups. So if you have if you
have ritual that aren't harming people, and uh, you you
run into someone who's uh to your point z being
rude or disrespectful about it, just keep it moving. Don't
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worry about them, uh green, because they're they're their own problem.
I do want to There is a cool note that
this reminds me, Matt of a a great quote from
the band Tool for anybody whos a fellow Tool fan. Uh,
the frontman Maynard James Keenan said once. He said, Yeah,
it's you know, you can take psychedelic drugs and get
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to this amazing mind state, but that just shows you
where you want to go and the real, the real
discipline is to get there without the crutches, and which
I think is a is a pretty fascinating and noble thing.
And it sounds like w l H. It sounds like
you're well on the way. Would love to hear more
of these stories.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I love that just that it's not a flex. It
was to tell us that the headboard was white, so
that you know the difference in the color and like
shadow you'd notice in your periphery. Yeah, I agree, just
be like, yeah, my white leather headboard, the red.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Leather, yellow leather, red leather, yellow leather.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
All right, Well that's it for now. We'll be right
back with more messages from you.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
And we're back with one final piece of Listener, And
it's very apropos to what we've been talking about this
whole episode. The idea of controlling your own headspace, controlling
your own experiential sort of like bubble.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I'll get right into it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
This comes from I'm gonna call them Rice because they
didn't give us permission to name them.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Hello.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
A few years ago, during COVID, I moved back into
my parents' house to pursue a degree. I was turning thirty,
A difficult time to decide to uproot a career, A
humbling experience. However, forever grateful to the amazing parents I
have and for their understanding and willingness to help my
move forward in the roller coaster of a life. During
that time, my father recommended your podcast. Thanks Dad, I've
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been hooked ever since. You have helped me through breakups,
panic attacks, life transitions, and much more so. From the
bottom of my heart, I deeply feel when I say
this that I'm speaking for many Thank you so much,
Thank you so much, very kind thing to say, And
we usually don't read these kinds of like things parts
of the emails, but I just thought it was very
(27:28):
well written and I appreciate it. With that being said,
I think this topic deserves some research, as it might
be considered taboo, but I believe is tangible and is
possibly explainable to one degree or another. I have been
able to release adrenaline voluntarily. I'm not sure when I
realized that I was able to do so, or have
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invested thought into the origin. I'm not exactly sure how
I do it, and I don't do it often, as
it can feel physically detrimental. Having said that, I have
dealt with panic, attack acts an anxiety throughout my younger life.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I know what adrenaline feels like.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
In a typical fight or flight response, the body prepares
itself to well flight or fight. It does so by
dumping adrenaline. Not a great feeling. However, when not in
a panic mode, I'm able to dump adrenaline without the
anxiety or panic, and am able to discern that it
is merely a physical response without all the mental turmoil.
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If it interests you all, I'd love a deeper dive. Well,
I think it's worthy of a deeper dive beyond just
this conversation. But it's so interesting that adrenaline can be
experienced by a human as like.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I'm pumped, I'm stoked, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
You know, that's one use of adrenaline, and some people,
you know, spend a lot of money to take drugs
that do that very thing for them, you know, amphetamines
and whatever it might be. So it is for me
interesting to think about. Yeah, adrenaline is kind of a
negative thing, but it also is a thing that, in
the history of humanity is a thing that makes you
realize you need to run away.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Man, Guys, I don't know enough about the science here,
but for me, I've experienced the high adournaline thing when
when I've been extremely nervous, like a state of oh,
I don't know what. I would call it, a hypervigilance
kind of thing where I can feel myself almost shaped
like tremors, like minor tremors, where I'm like but focused
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on something, and it is I completely agree with Rice here.
It's a terrible feeling when you're in that state, right,
It is almost it's almost fear. Maybe it is fear
because associated with fight or flight, like we're talking about,
but a physical sensation of it. I am fascinated to
know what it would be like to have that chemical
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flow through you when you're in the mindset, in a
different mindset, right like that.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You sound control of it, right, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Sounds like a superpower to me, like like mutant X
Men level style, where I can release adrenaline and do
like stupendous feats that I couldn't do with my much Funny.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You say that there's a sci fi series that's absolutely
about that. One of the principal characters has the ability
that you're describing Rice, which is to activate is adrenaline
for a very short amount of time to allow him
to accomplish extraordinary feats of strength, like when you hear
about the mom lifting the car up de siber Kid.
There's a great stuff you should know about that. Currently,
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the science says that there is no proven case of
a human being consciously releasing adrenaline or other chemicals of
this nature without taking physical action or having like a
panic attack or something like that. Everyone can release adrenaline
through extreme activities, you know, roller coasters, and I guess
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the last thing to add, of course, it's fight, flight
or freeze. Unfortunately, a lot of people freeze. That's why
so many high stakes training scenarios depends so heavily on
muscle memory.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
For sure, and my kid recently, because of some neurodivergent
type stuff, was given a waiver through the school system
to have a little more time for tests and things
like that. And we just discussed the other day how
much of a difference it's made. Just the knowing that
you have a little more time has made them not
(31:26):
go into freeze mode. Just interesting has made them not
go into freeze mode. And it like, you know, it's
easy as a parent to be like, oh, they're just
lazy that just don't want to do the work, but
like it is real, Like anxiety address, these kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Are very very real.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
So this was a very big deal conversation we had
because I was like, oh, okay, I really get it.
Like the way they explained it was like, this is
a functional thing that you have helped me attain. And
I also think it's interesting with this listener that adrenaline junkies,
the idea of people that are adrenaline seeks, that's a thing.
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So that's why I was sort of struggling with it's
inherently negative because I think some people think they thrive
on adrenaline.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh yeah, I know it can be great a gosh,
I you're gonna tell a personal story. It can be
great for me when I'm playing drums if I get
a little bit of that feeling, and then I feel
like I could play drums for forever, you know, but
if if I'm not, I can tire out super easy.
So like man, I wish it does make me wish
I had this button. Let's do it, guys. Let's develop
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an adrenaline a control mechanism.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
All right, I'll text Pfizer back. Just get back on
DARPA's Instagram.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
They are gonna need to make some money with all
those drugs coming off the shelves.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
That's right, they are, They are in the whole.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
We should help them out. What do you think, guys?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
For sure, there's a there's a question I have for you, Rice.
I would love to well, being respectful your time and
your your anonimity comfort level. I would love to hear
what your process is, what your ritual is for experiencing
this feeling. Are there physical things you do, like you
know the old canard about how people are stronger if
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they put their arms on their hips a kimbo a
word I never get to use. Or is it more
of a mental process, And if so, is that mental
process ritualized or is it just like you know, like
Matt said, is it just the mental version of a
switch that you can flip, kind of like how flexing
your jaw can make your ears click for some people.
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These are very interesting questions I would love to learn
more personally.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Oh same, And it makes me think of there's a
really great X Men adjacent television series called Legion where
it really kind of flips the script of mutant powers
into a mental health kind of more like you know
what we know about psychology and things like that, And
I think it's a really well done show. But a
lot of the way the powers are portrayed in that
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Shoh is about a mental ability to control things in
the body that are like usually automatic, and I think
that's a very interesting perspective. So with that, I think
it's time to end today's episode. What do you think
fellas agreed?
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
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My name is Matt, my name is Nolan.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
They called me Bed. We're joined as always with our
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you are you. You are here. That makes this the
stuff they don't want you to know. And we want
to welcome some very special guests. Every Thursday. We are
immensely fortunate to do something that we call listener mail
because spoiler, that's what it is. Nobait and switch. Here,
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We've got a bevy of amazing correspondence. We're gonna learn
a little bit about meditation, physical manifestation. We're gonna learn
about mind over matter in terms of what you can
make your brain and your nervous and hormonal system do
by the power of thought alone. And before we get
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into any of that thought, it might be fun to
answer a little question. Might need some help around robbining
This from person who wrote an email to us that
made me say what in the Sam Hill? Because that's
the name they're going by. Sam Hill.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, that's really great.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You wrote that, Sam, that's all prating credit to you.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, who was it?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
A favorite nickname of ours? Frank Lloyd Wrong. I saw
that on a TV show a couple of days ago.
I'm pretty sure they grabbed it from that might have
been parallel thinking, but I was like, that's that's that.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
That was great.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, let's hear from Sam Hill.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And here's Sam. Sam says, I'm a longtime listener who
has always wondered if I would ever have a reason
to write. Well, I found one. You can read this
on the show if you choose and refer to me
as Sam Hill. Done and done brou Sam says, I
don't know if you've covered this topic in depth in
a previous show, but I couldn't find one if you did.
(02:04):
Sam is kind of following up on some of the
questions we raised with real estate and farming. Sam says,
I grew up on a family farm in central Wisconsin.
I recently took my girlfriend on a tour of the
area where I grew Note where I grew up, noting
all the changes in the thirty six years since I
left the farm. Life and moved to the city. The
only building still intact was the house we lived in. Unfortunately, Sam,
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that's experience that's going to be common to a lot
of us. Your faithful correspondence included Sam says, I moved
away in nineteen eighty seven to pursue music in the city. Sam.
The first few times I read this, I swear man,
I thought you said I moved away in nineteen eighty
seven to pursue magic in the city. I was like, oh,
(02:47):
this is about a twist. But anyway, so Sam continues
and says, when I went to college, I was turned
down for any financial aid of any kind because my
parents made too much money as farmers, and two years
later my family lost the farm due to financial hardships.
Sam points out this is another bigger discussion that needs
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to happen around farm subsidies. So he says, also, the
neighbor down the road from us bought our farm at
an auction and took it over. I don't recall what
we had at the for acreage. At the time, we
had four hundred and eighty acres in the mid seventies,
got as high as eight hundred and forty acres.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
In the heyday.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, big operation, and the neighbor who bought their land
had an even larger farm. And so with that background,
Sam says, fast forward back to now, so we're back
to the future with Sam. Sam says, I found out
while visiting with my family that the neighbor who owned
all that land recently sold it to China. I was
both stunned and saddened to think that my childhood home
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had been sold to interest outside of the United States.
Whatever the amount of acreage involved, I assure you it
was significant. It's also an extremely large milk producing dairy farm.
And I online says Sam that Congress is currently discussing
the rampant buying of American farmland by China. My question is,
how is this even allowed to happen? To begin with?
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Would I be able to just buy up land in China?
Our land was used for growing corn, wheats, oats, soybeans,
et cetera. Is the food grown there now shipped to
China or do they sell it here? Do they qualify
for the same subsidies as domestic farmers. I would love
to know more about the background on how this is
allowed to happen, as well as what Congress might do
(04:31):
to stop this from happening. Spoiler, Sam, not much. In short,
can you tell me what the Sam Hill is going on?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Isn't this just a question of capitalism, Like our country
is just like yes, buy whatever, sell whatever, but countries
like China, Russia, other countries in the world are more nationalistic.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well well, okay, but I think there might be an
error here because I don't think that farm was sold
to quote China. It was probably sold to Chinese interest
private companies that maybe operate out of China or are
owned in China.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, and that's a really great point, Matt. You're a
mind reader, dude. That's where we start. Because the government
quote unquote of China or the People's Republic, they're not
going to be buying a lot of stuff directly. That
doesn't make sense. It could be a state owned proxy
company or an investment firm. It's much more likely, however,
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that it could be a non wholly owned state subsidiary.
It could be a very wealthy individual who wants to
find a safe place to park their money. And that
is definitely something that we are going to see on
the uptick now. Because the nation of China is incountering
some dangerous storm clouds on the horizon. It's not just
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the bill of the one child policy coming due. There
is a lot of there are many economic plot twists ahead,
and wish the people of that country the best of
luck with those. So yeah, you're absolutely spot on, man.
It's probably not the big government of China. It's not
like Giping is slamming the kitchen table going I need
(06:22):
more milk and o and soybeans. Maybe he is, I don't,
I've never hung out with him.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It would be a smart move to control the manufacturing
of food in you know, a rivaling country.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Absolutely, yeah, which is why, Which is why there's such
a double edged sword or devil edged sword if we
want to keep the misspeak there to farm subsidies in general.
But there's another question, Sam asked, and Sam, it's fascinating
that we haven't addressed this in more depth in previous
(06:57):
episodes or listener mail segments. Sam says something very reasonable.
Can I just go buy land in China? You know,
if I have, Sam Hill, if I like, if I
have a couple hundred mil can I just roll up
somewhere and say I'm gonna buy this village?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Well, I mean, you know, to travel to other countries,
you have to have certain credentials and certain bona fides
and like visas and things like that to get a job.
So one would think to purchase land that would benefit
your personal portfolio, you would have to have something similar, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And it gets it can get pretty dicey because, as
as mentioned earlier here, there are many countries that do
not really allow foreigners to own property or real estate,
and a big part of that is the shadow of
imperialism and colonialism. The world learned how that can go
wrong right now, and this may be astonishing for some
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of us. There's no what you could call land ownership
or freehold owning land in China the way there is
in the US and a lot of the West. All
of the urban land in the nation of China is
owned by the Chinese government, like right out by the
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Chinese government. You can get these leases on this state
owned land. And if you go outside of the city,
if you try to buy that farm, for instance, what
you'll find is all suburban and all rural or agricultural
land is owned by collectives, local groups of farmers. It's
called collective land. So let's assume you're a Chinese national.
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You can say, hey, can I get a lease on
this land, and they'll lease it to you. Can I
use it for something? Can I grow you know, can
I grow soybeans or et cetera on this land? Then yeah,
But when they allow you to use it, when they
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allow you to lease it, you cannot transfer ownership of it.
So if you have least like if you're a real
estate magnet magnet and you have least the land to
build a huge apartment complex, you can't really sell it
because it's not really yours. It's changing a little bit.
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I think it was in twenty nineteen there was a
law pass that allows rural collectives to transfer I guess
not even ownership, but transfer the ability to use land
for certain things like hey, you can grow you know,
potatoes here. Just remember it's not really yours. And for
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people in the US, that can seem that can seem
very strange.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Totalitarian kind of you know.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, And so I was looking at with your question, Sam,
it kind of turned me into a dog with a ball.
It's kind of difficult to get citizenship in China, and
getting citizenship would allow you to participate in this lease scheme.
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China is actually, if you're in the West, China is
one of the most difficult countries when it comes to citizenship.
It's like Vatican City, Liechtenstein, Bhutan, Cutter Saudi Arabia, Switzerland, China,
and you know all the hits like North Korea or Iran.
It's going to be much more expensive than buying land
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here in the United States. And that barrier to entry
is one hundred percent on purpose.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, that makes sense, That's what I would have assumed.
But to the listener's point in question, are there opportunities
elsewhere for that and what are the benefits?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, So, as I said earlier, there are a lot
of countries that, due almost entirely to the concerns of
colonialism and other exploitative systems, have just said, look, if
you are not from here, you don't own land here.
But of course money moves, and there are ways around this.
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It is not uncommon, for example, for wealthy Westerners to
relocate to Thailand and then get a business partner or
get a spouse or something, and then have the land
in that spouse's name right, and just hope their relationship
works out or hope their business partner keeps it one
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hundred with them the entire time. That adds a level
of risk that is not present in US real estate.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I know there's some stuff going on. We talked about
it before with Saudi Arabia right where there were nationals
buying up expensive properties in large bulk rates basically, but
there was also some recent reporting out of CBS News
about a Saudi Arabian company buying up land. I want
to say it was in the Southwest, like Arizona, Nevada,
(12:04):
those areas, and they were accessing aquifer water water that
was deep low and they were just pulling it out
of the ground for uses that were not necessarily for
like an American company or something like that. I don't
know what I'm You're.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
One hundred percent right yet again, now what you're talking
about is Fondo Monte Fondomnte is a company. Is how
the shell game works. It's a company that's owned by
another big dairy company that is of course owned in
practice by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, by the House
of Saud. You're absolutely right. It was western Arizona. They
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bought a ton of land there, not necessarily to grow anything.
But to practice resource extraction of the groundwater aquifer because
in that part of the US there are absolutely no
regulations on how much water can be humped out of
the ground. Nesley must be so pissed right now.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, we should have figured that one out.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No, have you figured out our game? Is what Neslie says.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
M Well, again, my original point was like capitalism. It's
like our whole system is based on like resource extraction,
paying for resources, paying for commodities, and the system is
so behind the new data about how this is actually
very bad for life on this planet. And not to
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mention the lobbies and stuff that are like trying to
keep it in the old way, but it's just really
hard to walk it back, you know. So I think
the fact that anyone from any country can buy land
here makes sense.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It tracks for the way we do business.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, I would agree with that, And and Sam, I
would agree with you as well that there is an
unsustainable discrepancy here. And you hit on two points that
are simply going to become more and more important as
the years while on. Unless the religious folks are right
about that red cow that we discussed earlier this week,
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right now, what we would love to do. Would love
to hear from people who have firsthand experience with struggling
family farms. Tell us the real deal about this. We
would also love to hear your experience with foreign investors
in real estate or hey, if you have a story
to tell, tell us about your experience as a non
(14:33):
native somewhere in the world participating in the real estate game,
because again, my understanding is it gets much much easier
the more money you have. One eight three three std
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Speaker 2 (15:00):
And we're back. We are going to hear a little
story here from an anonymous person that I am going
to guys, I'm going to give this person a nickname
at the end, but I'm going to wait until we
hear the phrase within the stories. Yeah, okay, here we go,
and Anonymous rights. Hi, guys, a long time listener, first
(15:20):
time sharer. I wanted to share with you a quote
supernatural story that happened to me and my three year
old son this past Tuesday on nine to five. I
think that you may find it interesting. Before I start,
I just want to point out that I've had multiple
supernatural encounters since i was a little boy growing up
with my parents' house, from seeing full bodied apparitions to
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hearing disembodied voices and objects moving. I guess seeing objects moving,
so I'm no stranger to otherworldly encounters.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I was listening to your podcast on is Reality a Simulation?
And I figured this was the push I needed to
share this. My wife, who is of Jewish faith and
of Catholic faith, have our religious views. We both tend
to fall more into spiritualism and focus on meditation and
letting the universe guide us. We often listen to various
manifestations and reality shift meditations, and our strong believers in
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the multiverse.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Sorry for this info, dumb. Let me dive into the
story to note. My wife was at work since eight
am and my seven year old son was at school,
so only my three year old and I were in
the house. While taking a break from my work, my
three year old son and I were playing a game
of cat and mouse. Interesting, I've never played a game
of cat.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And mouse with my kids.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, is that like chase or.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
To continue?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
While running down the hall toward my three year old's room.
I passed my bedroom. Out of the corner of my eye,
I could have sworn I saw my wife sitting up
on our bed, a human shaped figure against a white,
leathery headboard.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's kind of hard to miss.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Now, knowing that she was not at home, and aware
of the fact that I was running through the hallway,
I kept going and chalked it up to my eyes
playing tricks. However, not five seconds later, my three year
old runs into his brother's room. That's my seven year
old who's at school, and says out loud and as
clear as day.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Aha, there you are. I got your mama.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I kid you not. When he said those words, my
face dropped. I walked into the other room and said, baby,
what did you say? Being three, his attention span is
as good as a fli's and he comes running over
for a hug. I said to him, why did you
say I got your mama? And he said, I saw mama.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Now, I've seen enough horror ghost movies in my life
to know that this usually means something ominous. I immediately
call my wife and ask her if she's okay, to
which she responded that everything was fine. I explained the
story and she told me that she was on her
lunch break and really was wishing she was back home napping.
She said she was in her car and before I called,
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she had just finished doing a reality shift meditation. Okay,
can we take a pause real quick? What is a
reality shift meditation?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
This is a style of meditation, let's say, like a
guided meditation. Usually that exists. It's very common now, especially
you can find it on TikTok, Instagram, places like that YouTube.
There are like ten minute, twenty minute guided meditations for
reality shifting. The concept here, at least to my understanding,
(18:35):
is that you can alter your reality. The reality that
is surrounding you are the one that you are operating
in your avatar. You can change that by focusing on
the changes you wish to see. That's the concept, right,
But it goes deeper to where some people think you're
physically shifting timelines. It gets into multiverse theory where theoretically
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there are an infinite number of Matt Fredericks and Noel
Brown's have been Bolan's, and we.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Can change cashers an anthem by location. Yeah, it's a
whole thing. It's all about.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
It also sounds like mentally forcing an acid trip or
something kind of to a certain degree.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No matter what you are, you are using your mind.
You're like focusing and shaping your mind to kind of
change the way you maybe see things because of what
you want to see. Right, It's more like shifting perspective
in my opinion than actually shifting realities.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
But yeah, it's a psychological transcendence. The difference between this
and the idea of forcing an acid trip or creating
a psychedelic experience in your own mind, which is totally possible,
is that in this case, our person who for now
is anonymous, saw the result which would not happen with
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a with a self induced meditation, and continues to say,
we came to the conclusion that this was her manifestation
coming through and that in another reality she was home
with us getting a chance to nap.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
She manifested naptime.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, but like physically a cross time and space and
into her bedroom and then into her one of her
son's rooms hanging out. Okay, let's finish up the message
here from Anonymous. We've been doing these types of manifestations
for about two years now. Nothing like this has happened before.
I do not believe there's some entity in my house.
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In the six years we've been there, nothing out of
the normal has happened. Again. I know this is a
lot to read, and sorry, I've heard the infodel. Just
wanted to share this little nugget of weirdness. Agreed never
and then thank you anonymous aka white leather headboard. That's
it stood out to me so much. God yes of
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his leathery white headboard on his bed. I was like,
what kind of like and not leather?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
You know, so shout out to you. W L h
us send us a picture. Is it creepy for us
us to ask for a picture of the bedroom? Well,
there's a reason because see, knowing where the kid is running, like,
knowing how it looks from the hallway, you know, encounters
peripheral vision, et cetera, et cetera. Matt, I got to
(21:30):
tell you, honestly, I practice a lot of meditation, so
I'm a little biased on this one. Three a lot
of weird stuff. So I have to recuse myself by
simply saying I don't think science has the answers, and
I'm gonna stand by that.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well that's a I mean, that's a pretty good answer
in my opinion. I've done some experimentations with astral travel attempts.
Let's say with that those kinds of things we've been
We've been covering this for so long. I'm sure we've
tried a number of things that we don't even tell
each other about because honestly, they're a little weird. I mean,
(22:06):
you know, they interest us, and for me personally, there's
a bit of a fear if I told you guys
some of the weird junk I've attempted, you know, associated
with our episodes Matt.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
You know the you know, the past of my family.
So it's like, I'm pretty sure that if you if
you described something, even if I didn't know exactly what
it was, I would probably just back you up. I'd
be like, yeah, you don't give it a shot. Who knows,
don't hurt anybody.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
But what I would say is I have had experiences
in a meditative state where it feels as though I
am somewhere else, My consciousness is in another physical location,
and I feel as though I am observing things that
are occurring in that location. And I know that sounds
really weird, and I'm using the phrase I feel as
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though because that is how I experiencesing it, Well, that's
how I experience it. It doesn't mean that I'm actually there,
But wow, what if you could.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I have a really good friend who I knew in
like middle school, but he was older than me and
was like a really cool artist guy, and then i'd
sort of reconnect with him later in life, and he
is this filmmaker and really into like astrophysics and like
psychedelic stuff, but he's never been like a heavy drug user.
But the first couple of times we hung out, like
(23:25):
later in life, he just told me unequivocally that he
astral projects all the time and like really believes it.
And it really was the first time that I was
forced to question my judgment about something like that, where.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I was like, he believes it. He's saying it in
such a matter of fact way. I'm like, how could
I possibly call this man a liar? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Like's that's rude at the very least, disrespectful at the
very most. And I was just like it really made
me rethink, you know, And I don't think he's mentally ill.
He's a very functional, creative person, you know. And I
was just really taken by how much he expressed it
with such confidence.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, we're certainly not the only ones. Neither is White
leather Headboard and his spouse. There are people out there
all over the planet right now experimenting with this stuff,
attempting this stuff. Some people taking it a lot more
seriously than others, right like choosing to focus on this
as almost to study or to incorporate it in part
(24:29):
of their lives as something they do every day. Maybe
you could compare it to prayer, like everyday prayer kind.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Of thing that, yeah, that's great, smart.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Or even waking up and reading a newspaper like that
kind of ritual that watches people.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Have that kind Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, you know me man, and I play some importance
on ritual. I think it's it's important and just lives
as individuals, and it echoes up, It resonates upward into
social dynamics of groups. So if you have if you
have ritual that aren't harming people, and uh, you you
run into someone who's uh to your point z being
rude or disrespectful about it, just keep it moving. Don't
(25:08):
worry about them, uh green, because they're they're their own problem.
I do want to There is a cool note that
this reminds me, Matt of a a great quote from
the band Tool for anybody whos a fellow Tool fan. Uh,
the frontman Maynard James Keenan said once. He said, Yeah,
it's you know, you can take psychedelic drugs and get
(25:31):
to this amazing mind state, but that just shows you
where you want to go and the real, the real
discipline is to get there without the crutches, and which
I think is a is a pretty fascinating and noble thing.
And it sounds like w l H. It sounds like
you're well on the way. Would love to hear more
of these stories.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I love that just that it's not a flex. It
was to tell us that the headboard was white, so
that you know the difference in the color and like
shadow you'd notice in your periphery. Yeah, I agree, just
be like, yeah, my white leather headboard, the red.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Leather, yellow leather, red leather, yellow leather.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
All right, Well that's it for now. We'll be right
back with more messages from you.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
And we're back with one final piece of Listener, And
it's very apropos to what we've been talking about this
whole episode. The idea of controlling your own headspace, controlling
your own experiential sort of like bubble.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I'll get right into it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
This comes from I'm gonna call them Rice because they
didn't give us permission to name them.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Hello.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
A few years ago, during COVID, I moved back into
my parents' house to pursue a degree. I was turning thirty,
A difficult time to decide to uproot a career, A
humbling experience. However, forever grateful to the amazing parents I
have and for their understanding and willingness to help my
move forward in the roller coaster of a life. During
that time, my father recommended your podcast. Thanks Dad, I've
(27:06):
been hooked ever since. You have helped me through breakups,
panic attacks, life transitions, and much more so. From the
bottom of my heart, I deeply feel when I say
this that I'm speaking for many Thank you so much,
Thank you so much, very kind thing to say, And
we usually don't read these kinds of like things parts
of the emails, but I just thought it was very
(27:28):
well written and I appreciate it. With that being said,
I think this topic deserves some research, as it might
be considered taboo, but I believe is tangible and is
possibly explainable to one degree or another. I have been
able to release adrenaline voluntarily. I'm not sure when I
realized that I was able to do so, or have
(27:48):
invested thought into the origin. I'm not exactly sure how
I do it, and I don't do it often, as
it can feel physically detrimental. Having said that, I have
dealt with panic, attack acts an anxiety throughout my younger life.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I know what adrenaline feels like.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
In a typical fight or flight response, the body prepares
itself to well flight or fight. It does so by
dumping adrenaline. Not a great feeling. However, when not in
a panic mode, I'm able to dump adrenaline without the
anxiety or panic, and am able to discern that it
is merely a physical response without all the mental turmoil.
(28:26):
If it interests you all, I'd love a deeper dive. Well,
I think it's worthy of a deeper dive beyond just
this conversation. But it's so interesting that adrenaline can be
experienced by a human as like.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I'm pumped, I'm stoked, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
You know, that's one use of adrenaline, and some people,
you know, spend a lot of money to take drugs
that do that very thing for them, you know, amphetamines
and whatever it might be. So it is for me
interesting to think about. Yeah, adrenaline is kind of a
negative thing, but it also is a thing that, in
the history of humanity is a thing that makes you
realize you need to run away.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Man, Guys, I don't know enough about the science here,
but for me, I've experienced the high adournaline thing when
when I've been extremely nervous, like a state of oh,
I don't know what. I would call it, a hypervigilance
kind of thing where I can feel myself almost shaped
like tremors, like minor tremors, where I'm like but focused
(29:26):
on something, and it is I completely agree with Rice here.
It's a terrible feeling when you're in that state, right,
It is almost it's almost fear. Maybe it is fear
because associated with fight or flight, like we're talking about,
but a physical sensation of it. I am fascinated to
know what it would be like to have that chemical
(29:48):
flow through you when you're in the mindset, in a
different mindset, right like that.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You sound control of it, right, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Sounds like a superpower to me, like like mutant X
Men level style, where I can release adrenaline and do
like stupendous feats that I couldn't do with my much Funny.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You say that there's a sci fi series that's absolutely
about that. One of the principal characters has the ability
that you're describing Rice, which is to activate is adrenaline
for a very short amount of time to allow him
to accomplish extraordinary feats of strength, like when you hear
about the mom lifting the car up de siber Kid.
There's a great stuff you should know about that. Currently,
(30:29):
the science says that there is no proven case of
a human being consciously releasing adrenaline or other chemicals of
this nature without taking physical action or having like a
panic attack or something like that. Everyone can release adrenaline
through extreme activities, you know, roller coasters, and I guess
(30:52):
the last thing to add, of course, it's fight, flight
or freeze. Unfortunately, a lot of people freeze. That's why
so many high stakes training scenarios depends so heavily on
muscle memory.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
For sure, and my kid recently, because of some neurodivergent
type stuff, was given a waiver through the school system
to have a little more time for tests and things
like that. And we just discussed the other day how
much of a difference it's made. Just the knowing that
you have a little more time has made them not
(31:26):
go into freeze mode. Just interesting has made them not
go into freeze mode. And it like, you know, it's
easy as a parent to be like, oh, they're just
lazy that just don't want to do the work, but
like it is real, Like anxiety address, these kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Are very very real.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
So this was a very big deal conversation we had
because I was like, oh, okay, I really get it.
Like the way they explained it was like, this is
a functional thing that you have helped me attain. And
I also think it's interesting with this listener that adrenaline junkies,
the idea of people that are adrenaline seeks, that's a thing.
(32:01):
So that's why I was sort of struggling with it's
inherently negative because I think some people think they thrive
on adrenaline.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh yeah, I know it can be great a gosh,
I you're gonna tell a personal story. It can be
great for me when I'm playing drums if I get
a little bit of that feeling, and then I feel
like I could play drums for forever, you know, but
if if I'm not, I can tire out super easy.
So like man, I wish it does make me wish
I had this button. Let's do it, guys. Let's develop
(32:31):
an adrenaline a control mechanism.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
All right, I'll text Pfizer back. Just get back on
DARPA's Instagram.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
They are gonna need to make some money with all
those drugs coming off the shelves.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
That's right, they are, They are in the whole.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
We should help them out. What do you think, guys?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
For sure, there's a there's a question I have for you, Rice.
I would love to well, being respectful your time and
your your anonimity comfort level. I would love to hear
what your process is, what your ritual is for experiencing
this feeling. Are there physical things you do, like you
know the old canard about how people are stronger if
(33:11):
they put their arms on their hips a kimbo a
word I never get to use. Or is it more
of a mental process, And if so, is that mental
process ritualized or is it just like you know, like
Matt said, is it just the mental version of a
switch that you can flip, kind of like how flexing
your jaw can make your ears click for some people.
(33:33):
These are very interesting questions I would love to learn
more personally.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Oh same, And it makes me think of there's a
really great X Men adjacent television series called Legion where
it really kind of flips the script of mutant powers
into a mental health kind of more like you know
what we know about psychology and things like that, And
I think it's a really well done show. But a
lot of the way the powers are portrayed in that
(33:59):
Shoh is about a mental ability to control things in
the body that are like usually automatic, and I think
that's a very interesting perspective. So with that, I think
it's time to end today's episode. What do you think
fellas agreed?
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pal leathery a headboard, not just a rice, but to
all the other folks who take the time out of
your day, including you, Sam Hill, or your evening to
share your stories with us, but more importantly with your
fellow conspiracy realists. We are immensely grateful and picture me
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