December 26, 2024 • 52 mins
"The Shepherd" reaches out from France to explore earlier conversations about what, who, and how humans should eat. Phantom Flyer responds to the DHL airplane crash. Chickenado proposes fascinating conspiracies surrounding the global poultry trade. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of IHEARTRADI.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nol.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
They call me Ben.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
We are joined as always with our super producer Dylan
the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are here. That
makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Folks,
if you are hearing this the evening this program publishes,
we cannot wait to welcome you to Thursday, December twenty six,
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twenty twenty four. It's the day after Christmas Day. For
any celebrants in the crowd, and for anybody who is
a little bit of a Grench, we hope you had
a moment where your heart grew three times larger. This
is one of our favorite things we do, especially here
toward the end of the human calendar year. We share
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messages from the most important part of the show. You,
our fellow conspiracy realists. We're gonna hear from some shepherds
in Europe. We are going to hear some responses to
the DHL incidents earlier, and we're also gonna we're gonna
hear some responses to this big Chicken episode that we're
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working on before we do any of that. Guys, is
this the last listener mail program that we're going to
record or the last one that publishes in twenty twenty four?
Do we have another one?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Think?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
So?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I think this is the one?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
This is it?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
All?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Right? Right on? Well, do we have any message that
we'd like to get give just overall to our fellow
supporters of the show and conspiracy realist.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Any New Year's resolutions? I don't really do that anymore.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Nah, you guys are great, Ben says, you guys are
the best part of the show. Always so quick with
an amazing insider perspective on something that we've talked about,
as we will hear today, and just in general, it's
very good natured and kind people. So thank you for
your continued supports and contribution to the show.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Thank you for your service.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah. I'll just say, if you look around, stuff out
here seems pretty messed up. Stuff out here seems troubling
a lot of the time, but I think you might
find that a lot of it is stuff that isn't
going to affect you necessarily that much. And I know
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for me personally, it causes a lot of internal anxiety
thinking about the world and all of its operations and
machinations and stuff that seems aimed against me and people
like me and you and everyone around us. I would
just say, in this time, do your best to focus
on the awesome stuff that's happening right around you, because
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it's super cool, and often it seems kind of small
and not big and scary like all that other stuff.
But the little things, the little awesome things, are worth
your time and attention.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well said, and I think that I hope that's a
message we can all agree with. To further dovetail on that, folks,
it's the end of the year, often a time of
introspection and retrospection. Please please do remember the calendar is
practiced now. The Gregorian calendar is a human creation. You
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don't need a specific time of the year to be
helpful and affectionate to yourself. You also don't need it,
perhaps more importantly, you don't need a specific day to
be helpful and considerate of other people. Because we can
tell you the old masters, the old quotes were right
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everybody is fighting a battle of their own, so let
us be kind. And with that, we're going to pause
for a word from our sponsors. We cannot wait to
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Noel especially gave us some opinions right on big chickens.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, that's a Here a word from our sponsor. I
will get right to it.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
All right, let's jump right into our first listener mail
of the day from Chickennado. It's a great name. We've
heard from Chickenado before. Pertaining to the big Chicken conspiracy,
Ben mentioned there is definitely an episode of foot so
that you should be a claw. Now that's a foot.
They call them chicken feed, don't they. Would you guys
ever eat a chicken foot? Yeah, I'm sure you have been, Yeah,
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pretty often. No one don't care to get good watch
out for you bones.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But it's right, it's good. It depends on how it's prepared.
There's a great uh. There are a couple of great
dim sum places here if you guys want to hang out.
They do chicken feet right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I believe it.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I just you know, as as I've made very clear
on the show, I do have somewhat of a bird phobia,
and part of that pertains to their creepy claws and
weird little webbed feet. So more chicken feet for everyone else,
but chicken atou is the aforementioned kind of inside industry
perspective in the world of chicken farming. And I'm just
gonna jump right in. Had some things to add and
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some things to correct, and some kind of other thoughts
pertaining to our discussion of chicken farming. Hi, it's me
Chickenato again. I am just finally listening into your listener
mail from December second. First off, you mentioned maybe doing
an episode on Big Chicken. Yes for supported by Chickenado,
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and feel free to reach out for info or any
help fact checking. Absolutely Now for some correction slash information
on why the commercial chicken industry is the way that
it is. They use a broiler, which refers to a
fast growing meat chicken colloquially known as a Cornish cross.
The Cornish cross originates from cross breeding a Cornish game
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and a Rhode Island white accent on the white. If
you look at Cornish game birds, you'll notice they are
very chunky, fat birds and are called double breaston.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Like I see.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Meanwhile, Rhode Island whites grow very quickly. The hybrid combine
the double breasted gene with the quick growth rate for
a big, fast growing bird. Now the historic Cornish cross
is the ones that we have nowadays are double to
triple the size of their original hybrids.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's too big. It does seem a little big.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Now that that's out of the way, Chickenato goes on
for some quick stats on the broiler industry. Cornish cross
have to be harvested anywhere from seven to nine weeks
old or they will start dying from heart attack, organ failure,
fatty liver disease.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Or heat stroke.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Does sound good, large fast growth has a cost. Even
when given the option to move around a lot, they
prefer to camp by the feed and water, sit and eat.
This can actually reduce the quality of the meat because
they get scalded on the bottoms from laying in the
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ammonia from the poop.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Yeah, So to mitigate this they encourage them to move
from one feeder to the other at the very least.
The reason that they use artificial lighting is that chickens
do not eat while they are sleeping. If they are
not eating, they are not growing, so they use controlled
day night cycles and the best food to meet conversions.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Ah, that is the worst raise what conversion to meetsions?
Speaker 6 (08:05):
It's definitely a stat for sure. Many operations have moved
away from antibiotics due to further restrictions and antibiotic use
and livestock because of antibiotic resistant bacteria concerns.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
A little bit of a feedback loop on that one,
by the way, Yeah, oh, how so Well, The argument
goes that in industrialized livestock or poultry operations, fixing a
short term problem, depending upon how you do it, may
create larger long term problems that will again have to
be treated. So it's a feedback loop of trying to
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fix a thing immediately.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I could see that for sure.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
And you know, we do know that antibiotic resistant bacterias
are absolutely a concern, and zoonotic you know, jumping of
various diseases and such can also be a problem or
a product a byproduct of this kind of you knowevialization,
let's call it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right, Think about the genius guys of using oregano to
improve immune function. Your your broiler chickens come pre seasoned.
Now internally, that's true. Sometimes you get the lemon pepper variety.
I don't know if that helps as well.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Moving on though, with Chickenato's letter left off on the
antibiotic resistant bacteria concerns. Instead, some of them use herbal
remedies to your point, Matt, such as oregano to improve
immune function, which has been researched and tested through various
feed trials. That's why when you go to the grocery store,
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most of your chicken meat will say antibiotic and growth
hormone free. As for encouraging farmers to use a slower
growing broiler, this is the KFC part, I believe in
question they had They had frankin chickens, I believe was
the term that was thrown around, and their pledged to
cease to use these monsters. Right and again, no no
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shade on the chicken the monster in terms of they're
really really big. As for encouraging farmers to use a
slower growing broiler, it's not feasible. The chicken farmers often
are already massively in depth because they are required by
whichever of the big three meat processing companies they are
contracted to to use very special proprietary feeders, waters, and
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even the fee that is used for the birds and
also the birds themselves. The farmers honestly don't really own anything.
The bank does, the barns, the equipment. It's all out
on huge loans, but they're hoping to get a little
bit more than break even on this year's crop of birds.
They don't get to set the prices. It's pretty bleak
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when you actually look at it. And this I think
a lot of this stuff applies to other types of
farming as well, in terms of like the bank basically
owning the whole operation. You're beholding to the bank, But
if you're working with folks like moncelle h, you're beholden
to these proprietary seeds and all of that stuff. And
then there's a intellectual property concerns and potential lawsuits and
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all of that kind of thing. So I think this
is a really interesting email that points to larger issues
in food production in this country and abroad. I'm sure
family operations sometimes still choose to use a cornish cross
and a chicken tractor, which is a chicken coop that
can be moved daily or weekly to put them on
fresh grayze. All of the problems except for the scalding
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are still there for the breed. Health wise, these are
not a breed of bird that was ever intended to
live a full, normal chicken life. That's a really key
point there. They basically hatch with an expiration date. Other
broiler breeds you can harvest around twelve weeks or so
for optimal feeds to meet ratios. But they're not as
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big of a table bird as a Cornish cross, which
is why the Cornish cross is still appealing to a
lot of people. And just to really quickly pick that apart,
like meet off of a Cornish cross, it's about wow factor.
It's about look at that big fat bird. It might
as well be a turkey, it's so huge. Look at
those breast disease on that bird, you know. I mean,
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it's it's like when you.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Go to a crosstumble breasted a million percent.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
The concept of I can feed my whole family with
one as.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Yes, no, thank you. I may be getting caught up
in the wow factor of it all, but you're right.
It's absolutely a subsistence functional thing where it's like why.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Why would I get you know, I mean, if you
go to.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Like a fancy French restaurant, for example, and where I
don't know if you've seen they do these table services
where they cut like a cornish game hit. These are
tiny birds. The meat is probably delectable, and it's probably
a delicious, you know, treat, and it was probably raised
and given a name and taken on walks and all
of this stuff like you might see in Portlandia sketch.
But it's small and that is not something that you
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cannot put that kind of effort and energy into raising
a single bird if it's not yielding that level of meat.
To both of y'all's points, this is a chicken that
when you go to cost code to buy buy this.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Massive bird, it only costs you like five six bucks.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
It's crazy, you know. Any just I'm still kind of
blown away by a lot of this stuff. And to
wrap up, none of this is actually to defend the
industry or to create an animal who hatches out with
an expiration date. It's just to explain some of the
inner workings of why things are functioning in the broiler
chicken industry as they do. Personally, I don't like them.
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I don't like that we have an animal that has
no possibility of a normal life. However, I do have
some Cornish games. They are chunky, fat, adorable and very friendly.
Actually they grow slower and they would eat more feed
per pound of meat, but at least it's a more
humane life for them, whether they end up on the
table or live their lives just producing eggs and looking cute.
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I've included some photos of my two very cute bantam
Cornish game hens, as well as a chart of the
Cornish cross throughout the years.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, and of course they can.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
That's super chicken four two hundred and two grams.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
This is like where we are at the modern Cornish cross.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
And then we have some lovely We asked you to
send us pet pictures and chickens. I think absolutely apply.
These are adorable. I wish we've gotten names. But there's
a little cute brown one sitting on some eggs, a
little white fluffy one, and one with some real cute
brown feathers and a cute little little beak.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm really kind of warming up to chickens.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Sorry about my screed, my screed earlier about their creepy feet,
but man, I thank you.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I really just chickennato.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
I think this is really, really informative and super helpful
to get this kind of inside perspective on how this
industry functions and how difficult it is to change it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Guys, should we go back to the chicken dad. We
visited that one time and yeah, you can sit among
that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Now, that's not go crazy. I'll hang on the periphery again.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Okay, chickenato, thank you so much, or chickenado, however it'll
be pronounced in the end. Thank you again for the
awesome pet pictures. When asking for photographs of your pets
or your non human animal friends, we always mean it sincerely,
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and we want to invite you to share more pictures
of your chickens and you, specifically you conspiracy realists, to
share photos of your favorite non human animal friends.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Absolutely, let's take a quick break here, a word from
our sponsor, and then come back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And we've returned. Guys. We got some updates and comments
to two stories that we covered recently. Ben I think
these were both your stories, so get ready. We got
more information, insider information from people who know their stuff.
The first one comes to us from Dirty D who
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listened to us talking about dB Cooper and potential identification there,
specifically about the parachute modifications that we were talking about
that were discovered that aided in this potential identification of
who dB Cooper is really good stuff. Let's jump to
Dirty D.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
Hey you guys, this is Dirty D the modifications to
the parachute for the dB Cooper. The device is called
the APRR, an Automatic Parachute ripcord Release, and it gets
installed inside of the backpack area.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
And this device, it has an anrooid in it and
it's set to actuate at a particular altitude. So if
he were to have jumped and became unconscious for whatever reason,
the parachute was still open because this anrooid works in
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conjunction with a squib or a CAD, a cartridge actuating
device which is like a small explosive, and it blows
the ripcord release and it basically sends the skirt hemn
of the parachute like it just blasts it forced open. Yeah,
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So if you have any questions about, you know, the
operation or anything about it, give me a call again.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Love what you guys do.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Thank you WHOA Okay, Okay, this is first of all
awesome tech. Thank you Dirty D. For letting us know
about that. This is a thing that we have all
seen in popular media, specifically, you guys, I just saw
this yesterday when I finished watching a new movie on
Netflix called carry On.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
That last night.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah yeah A C A R R Y.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Dash O N it's It's. It features Taron Egerton and
Jason Bateman and Sophia Carson.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And purpose Jason Bateman plays not the kind of role
you might expect historically, but at.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The same time, he's so Jason Bateman. It is a
glorious thing that that man can do and just be himself,
and he can either be the most cutting, dry straight
man in a show, like somebody who just reacts to
other people's insanity as in Arrest of the Development, or
in this I swear it just feels like Jason Bateman,
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but he seems like the most menacing bad guy I've
ever seen.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
He was kind of a bastard in Ozark, but he
also played it with this kind of like, ah shucks,
I wouldn't really do anything wrong kind of you know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Carry On reminded you of this, Oh yeah, it's just
so good and awesome work, Jason. So it reminded me
of this point I'm not going to do spoilers, but
it features a moment, oh gosh, it kind of gives
spoilers for it. It features a moment in there where
one of these things is specifically shown to you, like
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as a look at this. This is an automatic parachute
deployment system on this thing, which I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Think you should beat yourself up. Man. The title carry
On is kind of a spoiler.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, yeah, and it does feature the TS mother in
a and shout out to get out there you go.
But okay, but it all goes back to this concept
of what if I need my parachute to deploy automatically?
And it makes me wonder why aren't all parachutes like that?
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Why this should be a necessity rather than an add
on in my mind.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
So when you get the RFP, as Uncle Sam the
funny proposal, you want to save the taxpayer money. And
if that means that a few shoots might not quite
shoot what they should, that you know, greater good. I'm
needing a monster but that is historically true.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, But then it became well, we need a secondary
parachute for every paratrooper now, so we got to make
sure there's there's two.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I can't wait for subscription shoots. Bro, I'm so bullish
on this one, you know, just pay your Why.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Not why don't all of us have parachutes at all times,
just in case take a little topple. You're a little
too high on parachute.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
The wind's looking nice, and you want to save money
on the uber, you know, just climb to a high
enough elevation, pop it and let the wind decide.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Boom, paraglide vacation in a snap. Seems exciting to me.
But just just to go back to dirty D, thank
you so much for sending us that little bit of information.
I love just knowing that it's an aneroid that has
a little tiny explosion that causes the parachute to just play.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Which is yeah, thank you, dirty D. And as you're aware,
dirty D, there are also other possible modifications or little
zip zappies you could do with a typical shoot. This
is important information And like you, Matt, I love specific nomenclature.
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And we've got a lot of aviation enthusiast and experts
in the audience tonight, longtime listeners who doubtlessly have been
thinking about some of the same thoughts you brought to
us Dirty D, So thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh yeah, see, if you can use this in conversation
this week, Automatic Parachute rip Chord Release. It's just fun
to say, and if you can slip it into a convo,
you'll be the coolest person around the table, also known
as ap r R. Thanks so much, Dirty D. Now
we're jumping to another story that we talked about recently.
(21:57):
This one is about the dhlh that occurred. Remember that
plane went right into the ground as it was landing.
Everything looked fine and then just nosedived right at the
last second. Very confusing. We speculated a lot about why
that would have happened, how that could have happened, what
are the bigger implications of that happening. And we're going
to jump to somebody who knows their stuff, Phantom Flyer.
(22:21):
So here is Phantom Flyer's message.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Hey guys, come, it's a Phantom Flyer. I'm just listening
to your episode about the DHL crash. I have to
be in the aviation industry. So what we're kind of
looking at is something called controlled flight into terrain. From
all the stuff I've been watching and for everyone kind
of in the aviation industry. I know a lot of
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us have been looking at it. It looks kind of
like they were what's called under the Clyde slope and
it may have been due to a loss of you know,
different things, But just wanted to give you that kind
of thing in control flights the terrain. You guys can
look it up. It's quite interesting. When I worked at
the FAA, I actually had a document that we worked on,
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so stuff like this, unfortunately isn't too common or isn't
too uncommon. Just thought i'd give you the heads up.
You know, I got to use this on the radio.
So love your show. Thank you, guys, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Boom Okay, So some new vocabulary that we have to
go over there. The main one for me that we've
talked about. I can't remember the exact story, but it
was when there was a deep underground base that was
discovered because a flight ran into the mountain right near
where it was located. And that's how that's how the
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public found out about this big underground facility that the
government had because there was a controlled flight into terrain
where it's like everything seems to be fine, everything seems
to be nominal, and then all of a sudden, the
plane crashes, and then it's up to everybody else to
figure out what the hell happened. And you know, in
that case, it turned out that the pilots believed they
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were at the correct altitude at the correct positioning, but
in fact they were only supposed to reach that or
like get down to that altitude after a certain x
number of miles from where they actually were. And that's
a lot of that has to do with flying by
instrumentation rather than being able to see like where you're going,
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which is a very common occurrence and still gives me
pause every time I get into a plane. You guys,
just knowing that that's normal. We're just looking at some
outputs and that's how we know where we are and
where we're going. I just got to trust technology, I suppose,
and often it works. Ninety nine point nine percent of
the time, all of it works. But sometimes you get
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something like this where there's an error for one reason
or another and you have a crash. And the other term, guys,
that I didn't know is under the glide slope. Have
you guys heard of this and or encountered that before?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Thankfully, I've never I've never flown a plane with that
where that nomenclature would occur. But I am, I am,
I would say passingly familiar, Matt, can you wait for it?
Elevate our knowledge on flying under the glide slope?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well, guys, I don't know anything about it. And I
went over to a form on infiniteflight dot com. Yeah,
and was just trying to figure out what the heck
it meant. I'm going to read something like this is
a form. I'm sorry. This is where I'm at right
now looking at this. This is from Akim's Underscore Aviation.
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The glide slope or glide path is in the most
basic explanation, the angle of descent to the runway. They
provide a picture basically showing you the way the lines
move forward from your perspective as the pilot as you're
coming in. And this is another piece of information that
I didn't know. Says, you know those red and white
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lights beside the runway, Well, those are called PAPI lights
or Precision Approach Lighting System.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
No, I like Poppy.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They're Poppy lights and they help to guide you in
the runway and it shows how it works. But I
still don't fully understand being under or over the glide's
slope as you approach as a you know, if you're
piloting a flight, there are quite a few other things
to look up, like if you look at glide path
and this is coming from Wikipedia, sorry, guys. Wikipedia will
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tell you that glide path and glide slope are essentially
the same thing. And this is a quotation that comes
from ITU Radio regulations. It says, the glide slope or
glide path is quote a system of vertical guidance embodied
in the instrument landing system, which indicates the vertical deviation
of the aircraft from its optimum path of descent. So
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that would mean the PA knows the optimum path of
descent to get your plane exactly where it needs to
go to land on that runway just perfect. Like, but
if you are under or over that angle, it's going
to let you know.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
You'll have an indicator that says, you know, your two
blips too far up, two blips too far down, both
of which are kind of bad. But I think two
blips too far down is the worst one.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh yeah, and Phantom flyer, I wish you were here
to just tell us, like actually explain this to us.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
So that I.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Personally, I'm doing everything I can to try and understand
it and then explain it. But it is important to
note we've talked about this before. One of the major
issues Boeing had with their new Max planes was it
was a piece of instrumentation on the nose or like
the side of the nose of the plane that let
it know where it is from an altitude perspective, and
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then it could automatically adjust the back of the plane
to write that altitude. And that was one of the
major issues where it would it would send the nose
down to try and get to optimal altitude, and sometimes
the instrument that's telling you what altitude it is was
wrong or missing because there was only one and it
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would pop off sometimes and that's what caused planes to
nosedive the way we saw this DHL plane nose dive
right at the end.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
And phantom correct is here, clarify email or call us,
and I believe if we're if we're understanding instrumentation correctly,
the modern aircraft is sort of triangulating via localized radio signals,
which goes to your earlier point there about flying under
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bad weather when one cannot visually assess or what do
we say in always sunny when you can't give it
an ocular assessment out the act.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, yeah, don't have ocular on. Sorry, we're gonna figure
this out with the instruments.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I thought you cleared them, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But the glide it is good to know here. The
glide slope glide path thing is a system that is
set up on the runway itself that is communicating with
the plane as you as you're saying ben, so as
you're coming in, you should have all the information you
need there. And it is really cool looking there. There
are emission patterns that you can check out of how
this actually functions, so that the glide slope is perfectly
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within these two signals that get sent out and it's
like right there in the vent diagram the angle of
approach just so super cool, super super cool. Uh, you guys,
we have more information. We'll give a quick mention here
to Phoenix, who also had some really interesting ideas and
send us a voicemail about why and how you might
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disrupt DHL operations like that and why this crash probably isn't. Yeah, yeah,
why this crash probably isn't. Some of the crazier stuff,
because there's other ways of achieving those goals, at least
according to Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
And I kind of didn't want to put them on.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Air, to be honest, Phoenix, because there are scary ideas.
Very intelligent and thought about that.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
And your correct Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Just for the record, yeah, oh yeah, for sure. I
think that's why it makes me a little nervous. But
for now, thank you so much, Phoenix, Phantom, Flyer, dirty D,
everybody else who's called in, and we will be right
back with more messages from y'all.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And we have returned. Thanks not just to all our
fellow conspiracy realists who call in, but thanks as well
equally to people or entities who take the time to
write in. As we've often said, sometimes the void rights back.
And I would love to share a great a great dialogue,
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a great discourse from a European Shepherd who's a long
term fan of the show. You we will refer to
as the Shepherd bancois you say, bonjour, good fellows. I
have evolved through the Stuff podcast team from Stuff you
Should Know Dylan, can we get a clap awesome? Through
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movie Crush Dylan, can we get a Hurrah awesome? And
onto you guys. That's stuff they don't want you to know,
and I must thank you all for entertaining and educating
me through many a long day working in all weathers
on our farm. In your recent episode The Terrifying Future
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of Food, However, as you rounded up the episode, a
comment by Ben left me shouting into the wilderness. No Ben, why? Men?
You summarize the episode by saying that the quote world
would be objectively in better shape if we were all vegetarian?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
No Ben? Why?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
How could it be that the infinitely knowledgeable sir Ben
Bullet and too kind and thank you could have found
himself a proponent of a potential conspiracy of big veg or,
at the very least, something they don't want us to know.
Feel free to use my email on the air. My
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name is the Shepherd. So first off, excellent writing got
us all on board. A lot of us in the
audience tonight may be wondering, well, what would be the
problem if the you know, if the human animal overall, all,
you know, a point whatever billion went vegetarian. This is
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where the Shepherd brings up fascinating correspondence. Now, now to
be clear before we continue, I think it's fair to
say that Tennessee Pal, Matt, Frederick, Matt both hands, Frederick
and Noll the bagman Brown and yours truly are omnivorous. Right,
None of us are full vegetarian yet.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
No.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
I do enjoy vegetarian cooking, but it's never been like
a lifestyle choice that I've made. I do have some
friends that are vegan and love it, and I have
friends they're like pescatarian.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I guess to each their own kind of situation. Met
you said it, Matt, you said it.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And Dylan Tennessee Pal just logged in with again his
astonishing Jamiqui music video background to throw us an ambiguous
thumbs up. You are so good at this, dude, Thank
you for being on the show. Also great Jamiqui costume.
That's an Easter egg for La. So the Shepherd continues
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and says, I am a British sheep farmer working in
France and have many neighboring farmers who grow vegetable or
grain crops. They cut away traditional hedgerows and fell trees,
cut trees down in the middle of fields to make
giant superfields. They spray herbicides before plowing and sowing Their
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single crops which are harvested before the chemical destruction cycle
begins again. This is stuff we have talked about. I
am a shepherd, says the shepherd, and my fields have
remained constant for two decades. No herbicides, no pesticides. We
have wild flowers, thick hedges and trees to provide shelter
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and cover for our sheep. We have grounding nesting birds,
a myriad of butterflies, bees, dragon and crane flies, plus
other insects mammals, birds, foxes, deer, birds of prey, etc.
This is where it gets. It's a very interesting not
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doing the catchphrase in this one. None of these have
had the opportunity to establish themselves in a field destroyed
by pesticides and plowing on a yearly basis. I would suggest,
says the shepherd, that a vegetarian diet will inevitably lead
to the extinction of many species of animals, insects, and plants,
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or at the very least a negative impact on biodiversity.
Let's pause there, because I think that's a really important thought,
you know what I mean, Like, what do you guys
think about biodiversity in a world of global vegetarians.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
It's interesting I mean, doesn't biodiversity also apply to plant.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Life very much?
Speaker 6 (35:54):
So yeah, okay, so are we talking what are we
talking about here?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Exactly?
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Like I mean like that these these concepts not being
able to coexist.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What I think is being stated here is that if
we became vegetarian, we would need a lot more land
to be cultivated in the ways that are helpful for
plants to grow, right, like large operations, because now everybody
is eating only plants.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
And especially they'll be monocultural, which is the difficulty exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
So then over time you're getting rid of even more
places where wild animals tend to you know, proliferate. And
if you continue that down the path, I can see
this image. But what you're forgetting are vertical farms. I'm
bringing it back up, guys, vertical farms.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And I have a response to this. We'll get to
as well. Yes, vertical farms, whether por sine or produce.
Oh no, so let's go. You know, the shepherd you
took the time to write to us. We want to
give want to give the English on this one, all right,
so you say, and thus my gauntlets are off, and
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I challenge thee to a duel. Good sir Ben, as
a humble farmer, I know you guys love that phrase.
As a humble farmer, without access to the statistics, I
ask you this question, Sir Ben, is the reduction in
animal farts by becoming vegetarian better for the planet than
the destruction, if not extinction, of many species that thrive
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in long term grazing land. I hope you will read
this on the air in the hope that this other
side of livestock farming gets further consideration, as it is
so often ignored the public debate about vegetarianism. All the
best stuff, guys, the Shepherd, as as my colleagues knew here,
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folks did right back to the Shepherd and to your
point map, which is excellent foreshadowing here it gets us
to conversation about path dependence. Now, Shepherd, I wrote to
you in depth because we're great fans of your perspective here,
and most importantly, you brought a tremendously impactful point to
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all of us listening tonight. Path dependence, without getting too
into the grass, is this sort of institutional theory arguing
that group decisions, large scale decisions are often constrained by
past decisions of previous institutions. The most famous examples of
(38:38):
this are usually orbiting around the concept of technology, like
the Querity keyboard. We all have a Querity keyboard right now,
right anybody who's in devorak not mean got hard got
hard from from Matt Noll at Dill. It is probably
typing typing a message to us now on.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
One of those crazy split keyboards on his split keyboard.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I noticed when I signed into the Discovery Plus recently
why I have such a hard time using their search
on their platform, because it is just a B C,
D E, F G H I j K and just
it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Aware is the freaking.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
That's the thing. Yeah, here, here's an example. We're going
somewhere with this. Uh, the Shepherd you already know because
you're part of our discourse. Oh gosh, hang on, Dylan
just sent us a message in the chat. Don't get
mad at us, Dylan, what did you send? All right,
let's uh, let's give some space to Tennessee pal. Oh
he said to us a picture of his keyboard, which
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is a maltron. I bet, I bet it's really clicke.
Yeah yeah, oh nice. Oh that explains so much about
our editing process tight.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's so ergonomic.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
For one hand, here's the deal, here's path dependent. It's
a famous example of this. Fellow conspiracy realist. Keeping it brief,
the querty keyboard is not the optimal layout for humans
typing with their you know, with their collection of ten
carpols or or whatever fingers. And the the reason it
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exists is because back in earlier evenings, in the advent
of the typewriter, these little physical blocks of letters, right,
each block is a letter used to fly at the page,
and if you were typing too fast, if your fingers
were too good at writing, then these things would jam.
So people purposely figured out how to make a kind
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of crap layout for the order of the alphabet and
numerical symbols, just because that would make typewriters jam less frequently. Now,
you don't don't usually use a typewriter unless you're Tom
Hanks and you collect typewriters. That's true story.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
Also quick shout out to the recent Ridiculous History episode
on the history of the alphabet A.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Yes, yes, two parter. Oh we got in the weeds
on that one. Please do it, please do check it out.
That's a nice uh, whisper in we'll call it so
I hear you, I see you. So by the time
the technology evolved, the querty keyboard layout was already so
(41:35):
normalized that it would call society more blood, sweat, and
energy and treasure to change it than it would to
build around it. And this gets us back to your
excellent argument, the Shepherd, your work will only become more
important as biodiversity continues to dwindle, and it's doing no
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small part to large scale agricultural practices that you mentioned
in your initial correspondence. The human is not an obligate carnivore,
meaning the human can definitely just the vegetables all the
live long day and it'll be fine. It'll reproduce, it'll
make more people. They'll have, you know, watch parties for
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Lost or whatever.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
It is funny though, like I love vegetables ben but
in my mind sometimes just it just like it gravitates
towards the steak.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I find it to be yummier.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
But I also know that good vegetarian cooking is also yummy,
and I think I just need to figure how to
break myself of that. But I think a lot of
people probably struggle with that too, where you know, there's
something about meat that's just like it does it for you,
even though we don't need it.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
It's totally a luxury.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Well, check out the omnivores dilemma by Michael Pollen, which
we keep to your point, Sarah whispering in. So here's
the deal. I'm conceding your point, the shepherd. You have
excellent work here, and you're very well reasoned. I will
advance one caveat. Global vegetarianism sounds jolly. It won't work
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caveat for now, and it's because of that same path dependence.
The way that the agricultural industry currently practices means it
is unsustainable and untenable to grow enough vegetable matter for
the entirety of the world's human population to only consume vegetables.
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And you know, just like our pals Tennessee Pal and
know all the bag man and Maddie both ends here.
Like all of us, I too, am extremely omnivorous, with
very few exceptions. There's almost nothing I won't eat. I
think we talked about it off air. You guys had
to give up the octopus.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
No, they're smart, you know it's that. Yeah, it's like
there are very few hills I will die on. But
I do think about that every time I see it
on a menu, and I usually avoid it because they
are so incredibly sentient and feeling. But per our conversation
or maybe a one sided conversation with Peta and that
email about ascribing, you know, certain types of emotions and
(44:20):
abilities to feel an experience to some species but not others.
I think there are probably plenty of species other than
octopi that know they're being you know, severely hurt and
poor lives.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
And honestly, it might be different selfishly if there were
an octopus population that lived for a very long time,
Like if there was a fifty year old octopus and
I knew it was the equivalent of a maritime war criminal.
If there was a fifty year old, super evil Henry
(44:54):
Kissinger solid sar pullpot type octopus, I would happily eat it.
But unfortunately they're too smart. They burned so bright, and
they die so quickly. Here's the thing I had to
eat with this one. You guys had to eat a
little crow because the Shepherd one nails some great thoughts
and we hope you'll consider it as well. A massive
(45:17):
rollout of industrial level produce farming with current technology, stuff
that doesn't encounter, like you're saying, Matt vertical farming, soil reclamation,
exciting innovations, and hydroponics. If you use the technology as
it stands today, it will almost certainly spell disaster for
the human population. We know there's there's a lot of
(45:41):
stuff to the story here, but that's the basis.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
I think the question that came up for a couple
of us, maybe all three, when that pig you know
skyscraper or whatever story came through this was why do
it with pigs, which is create such a nasty, you know,
toxic literally environment that's horrible for the animals, it's horrible
for the workers. Why not do it with soybeans or
do it with And the answer was pigs are more popular.
(46:06):
But it does feel like there will come a time
where we can no longer lean on what's popular and
it has to be more like, what is you know,
how is this going to hate subsistence?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Big picture, yes, there will come an evening.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
But that's a reckoning though, right, And it's like we
just that's not how the world works, is it.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Unfortunately we just kick the can down the road.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
And say if we can make more money selling people
the thing they want, then why would we sell them
the thing they need?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You know?
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Well, but yeah, kicking the can is a band aid solution.
You know, it works until it doesn't. With this, we
want to hear your opinions, fellow conspiracy realist, regarding the
idea of sustainability. What is your specific diet? Do you
like us wrestle with the omnivores dilemma? Are you full vegan?
(46:56):
Are you full vegetarian? Are you considering yourself an obligat carnivore?
And if so, if so, how does it work? Before
we end this listener mail program, we wanted to share
with you some letters from home in the form of
a couple holiday jokes from our pal, who may become
(47:18):
a new nemesis. He's certainly a nemesis to comedy, Humorous Harry.
Do you guys want to hear? Do you guys want
to hear?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Want is a strong word, but I'm here for it.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
All right, all right, we'll just do I went a
little long with our exploration with the Shepherd. Let's just
do one from Humorous Harry. It's a letter from him
to all of us. Because of global climate change. Santa
was surprised when his wife said, it looks like rain. Dear,
(47:51):
Tut tut tut. All right, we'll do one more. This
is for you, humorous Harry. What does Frosty the Snowman
put in his cereal bowl?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
So ez? I like some of these. I don't got it.
I'm working on it.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
Let's see what is Frosty the snow snow Man put
in his cereal blow?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Frosted flakes?
Speaker 4 (48:18):
Ah, so close, Judges, that's a yes, it is snowflakes,
which I would say count as frosted.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
But it's Frosty the Snowman.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
I mean it's frosty flakes.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, I feel like you got it. I feel like
the judges sent it there.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
And with that we all one more hold on.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, you know I do kind of crave it now,
I do kind of crave Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Can you do number ten? Ben?
Speaker 4 (48:45):
Absolutely? It's what I have bulded as well. Uh. Did
you know that Santa's elves have present competitions, Matt?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I did not know that. What what what kind of competitions?
Speaker 4 (48:57):
They like? Having wraps? Oh, I can't wait to see
what you do with these outh. You're still and with
that we can't wait to hear from you. Thank you
to the Shepherd, thank you to Humorous Harry. Sarah. We're
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gonna get to you later, but we've cooked up some
great synonyms that we're gonna pitch you for the idea
of a shout out. Thank you to Phantom Flyer, dirty Deed,
of course, Chickennato, and everybody else just like us. Moving
forward to twenty twenty five, If you want to join
the show, we'd love to have you on board. Let's
(49:40):
get the band back together. Find us on email, find
us on telephone, Find us on the internet.
Speaker 6 (49:47):
Indeed, you can find us at the handle conspiracy stuff,
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Here's where it gets crazy. Get in on the conversation.
It gets crazy, y'all. You can also find us at
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(50:08):
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Speaker 2 (50:23):
We have a phone number. It is one eight three
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you call. It's a voicemail system. You've got three minutes.
Say whatever you want. Give yourself a cool nickname and
let us know if we can use your name and
message on the air. Why not tell us about the
coolest present you gave this holiday season. We were talking
(50:46):
about keyboards earlier, y'all. I stumbled on one, and we
are not sponsored by them. Stumbled on one called a
black chrome quirky writer that is designed to look like
a typewriter. It's a keyboard for your computer, but it
clickety clacks like a typewriter.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Sounds awesome.
Speaker 6 (51:04):
Hunting and pecking, hunting and pecking one thingy and it's time.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Well, I think it's designed to give you that feel
of sitting at a typewriter.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Was like.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
It would go. It sounds exciting to me. Again, not sponsored,
and it looks really expensive. But tell us about the
coolest gift you gave. If you've got more to say
than can fit in a three minute voicemail, If you've
got links, you've got pictures anything like that. We do
have a good old fashioned email.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence
we receive. Be well aware, just like the shepherd. Sometimes
the void writes back, do send us the link, says
earlier mentioned. Do send us the photographs. When you do,
we can all see it. When we respond, we all
see it will move as a unit, and that unit
(51:52):
indeed include you. Please please tell us your opinions of
you know, your resolution. Let's hear your resolutions. We'll check
back in later in what the humans call twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nol.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
They call me Ben.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
We are joined as always with our super producer Dylan
the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are here. That
makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Folks,
if you are hearing this the evening this program publishes,
we cannot wait to welcome you to Thursday, December twenty six,
(00:51):
twenty twenty four. It's the day after Christmas Day. For
any celebrants in the crowd, and for anybody who is
a little bit of a Grench, we hope you had
a moment where your heart grew three times larger. This
is one of our favorite things we do, especially here
toward the end of the human calendar year. We share
(01:14):
messages from the most important part of the show. You,
our fellow conspiracy realists. We're gonna hear from some shepherds
in Europe. We are going to hear some responses to
the DHL incidents earlier, and we're also gonna we're gonna
hear some responses to this big Chicken episode that we're
(01:38):
working on before we do any of that. Guys, is
this the last listener mail program that we're going to
record or the last one that publishes in twenty twenty four?
Do we have another one?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Think?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
So?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I think this is the one?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
This is it?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
All?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Right? Right on? Well, do we have any message that
we'd like to get give just overall to our fellow
supporters of the show and conspiracy realist.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Any New Year's resolutions? I don't really do that anymore.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Nah, you guys are great, Ben says, you guys are
the best part of the show. Always so quick with
an amazing insider perspective on something that we've talked about,
as we will hear today, and just in general, it's
very good natured and kind people. So thank you for
your continued supports and contribution to the show.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Thank you for your service.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah. I'll just say, if you look around, stuff out
here seems pretty messed up. Stuff out here seems troubling
a lot of the time, but I think you might
find that a lot of it is stuff that isn't
going to affect you necessarily that much. And I know
(02:52):
for me personally, it causes a lot of internal anxiety
thinking about the world and all of its operations and
machinations and stuff that seems aimed against me and people
like me and you and everyone around us. I would
just say, in this time, do your best to focus
on the awesome stuff that's happening right around you, because
(03:14):
it's super cool, and often it seems kind of small
and not big and scary like all that other stuff.
But the little things, the little awesome things, are worth
your time and attention.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well said, and I think that I hope that's a
message we can all agree with. To further dovetail on that, folks,
it's the end of the year, often a time of
introspection and retrospection. Please please do remember the calendar is
practiced now. The Gregorian calendar is a human creation. You
(03:47):
don't need a specific time of the year to be
helpful and affectionate to yourself. You also don't need it,
perhaps more importantly, you don't need a specific day to
be helpful and considerate of other people. Because we can
tell you the old masters, the old quotes were right
(04:08):
everybody is fighting a battle of their own, so let
us be kind. And with that, we're going to pause
for a word from our sponsors. We cannot wait to
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Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, that's a Here a word from our sponsor. I
will get right to it.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
All right, let's jump right into our first listener mail
of the day from Chickennado. It's a great name. We've
heard from Chickenado before. Pertaining to the big Chicken conspiracy,
Ben mentioned there is definitely an episode of foot so
that you should be a claw. Now that's a foot.
They call them chicken feed, don't they. Would you guys
ever eat a chicken foot? Yeah, I'm sure you have been, Yeah,
(05:01):
pretty often. No one don't care to get good watch
out for you bones.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But it's right, it's good. It depends on how it's prepared.
There's a great uh. There are a couple of great
dim sum places here if you guys want to hang out.
They do chicken feet right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I believe it.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I just you know, as as I've made very clear
on the show, I do have somewhat of a bird phobia,
and part of that pertains to their creepy claws and
weird little webbed feet. So more chicken feet for everyone else,
but chicken atou is the aforementioned kind of inside industry
perspective in the world of chicken farming. And I'm just
gonna jump right in. Had some things to add and
(05:42):
some things to correct, and some kind of other thoughts
pertaining to our discussion of chicken farming. Hi, it's me
Chickenato again. I am just finally listening into your listener
mail from December second. First off, you mentioned maybe doing
an episode on Big Chicken. Yes for supported by Chickenado,
(06:02):
and feel free to reach out for info or any
help fact checking. Absolutely Now for some correction slash information
on why the commercial chicken industry is the way that
it is. They use a broiler, which refers to a
fast growing meat chicken colloquially known as a Cornish cross.
The Cornish cross originates from cross breeding a Cornish game
(06:23):
and a Rhode Island white accent on the white. If
you look at Cornish game birds, you'll notice they are
very chunky, fat birds and are called double breaston.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Like I see.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Meanwhile, Rhode Island whites grow very quickly. The hybrid combine
the double breasted gene with the quick growth rate for
a big, fast growing bird. Now the historic Cornish cross
is the ones that we have nowadays are double to
triple the size of their original hybrids.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's too big. It does seem a little big.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Now that that's out of the way, Chickenato goes on
for some quick stats on the broiler industry. Cornish cross
have to be harvested anywhere from seven to nine weeks
old or they will start dying from heart attack, organ failure,
fatty liver disease.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Or heat stroke.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Does sound good, large fast growth has a cost. Even
when given the option to move around a lot, they
prefer to camp by the feed and water, sit and eat.
This can actually reduce the quality of the meat because
they get scalded on the bottoms from laying in the
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ammonia from the poop.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Yeah, So to mitigate this they encourage them to move
from one feeder to the other at the very least.
The reason that they use artificial lighting is that chickens
do not eat while they are sleeping. If they are
not eating, they are not growing, so they use controlled
day night cycles and the best food to meet conversions.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Ah, that is the worst raise what conversion to meetsions?
Speaker 6 (08:05):
It's definitely a stat for sure. Many operations have moved
away from antibiotics due to further restrictions and antibiotic use
and livestock because of antibiotic resistant bacteria concerns.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
A little bit of a feedback loop on that one,
by the way, Yeah, oh, how so Well, The argument
goes that in industrialized livestock or poultry operations, fixing a
short term problem, depending upon how you do it, may
create larger long term problems that will again have to
be treated. So it's a feedback loop of trying to
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fix a thing immediately.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I could see that for sure.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
And you know, we do know that antibiotic resistant bacterias
are absolutely a concern, and zoonotic you know, jumping of
various diseases and such can also be a problem or
a product a byproduct of this kind of you knowevialization,
let's call it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right, Think about the genius guys of using oregano to
improve immune function. Your your broiler chickens come pre seasoned.
Now internally, that's true. Sometimes you get the lemon pepper variety.
I don't know if that helps as well.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Moving on though, with Chickenato's letter left off on the
antibiotic resistant bacteria concerns. Instead, some of them use herbal
remedies to your point, Matt, such as oregano to improve
immune function, which has been researched and tested through various
feed trials. That's why when you go to the grocery store,
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most of your chicken meat will say antibiotic and growth
hormone free. As for encouraging farmers to use a slower
growing broiler, this is the KFC part, I believe in
question they had They had frankin chickens, I believe was
the term that was thrown around, and their pledged to
cease to use these monsters. Right and again, no no
(10:00):
shade on the chicken the monster in terms of they're
really really big. As for encouraging farmers to use a
slower growing broiler, it's not feasible. The chicken farmers often
are already massively in depth because they are required by
whichever of the big three meat processing companies they are
contracted to to use very special proprietary feeders, waters, and
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even the fee that is used for the birds and
also the birds themselves. The farmers honestly don't really own anything.
The bank does, the barns, the equipment. It's all out
on huge loans, but they're hoping to get a little
bit more than break even on this year's crop of birds.
They don't get to set the prices. It's pretty bleak
(10:47):
when you actually look at it. And this I think
a lot of this stuff applies to other types of
farming as well, in terms of like the bank basically
owning the whole operation. You're beholding to the bank, But
if you're working with folks like moncelle h, you're beholden
to these proprietary seeds and all of that stuff. And
then there's a intellectual property concerns and potential lawsuits and
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all of that kind of thing. So I think this
is a really interesting email that points to larger issues
in food production in this country and abroad. I'm sure
family operations sometimes still choose to use a cornish cross
and a chicken tractor, which is a chicken coop that
can be moved daily or weekly to put them on
fresh grayze. All of the problems except for the scalding
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are still there for the breed. Health wise, these are
not a breed of bird that was ever intended to
live a full, normal chicken life. That's a really key
point there. They basically hatch with an expiration date. Other
broiler breeds you can harvest around twelve weeks or so
for optimal feeds to meet ratios. But they're not as
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big of a table bird as a Cornish cross, which
is why the Cornish cross is still appealing to a
lot of people. And just to really quickly pick that apart,
like meet off of a Cornish cross, it's about wow factor.
It's about look at that big fat bird. It might
as well be a turkey, it's so huge. Look at
those breast disease on that bird, you know. I mean,
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it's it's like when you.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Go to a crosstumble breasted a million percent.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
The concept of I can feed my whole family with
one as.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Yes, no, thank you. I may be getting caught up
in the wow factor of it all, but you're right.
It's absolutely a subsistence functional thing where it's like why.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Why would I get you know, I mean, if you
go to.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Like a fancy French restaurant, for example, and where I
don't know if you've seen they do these table services
where they cut like a cornish game hit. These are
tiny birds. The meat is probably delectable, and it's probably
a delicious, you know, treat, and it was probably raised
and given a name and taken on walks and all
of this stuff like you might see in Portlandia sketch.
But it's small and that is not something that you
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cannot put that kind of effort and energy into raising
a single bird if it's not yielding that level of meat.
To both of y'all's points, this is a chicken that
when you go to cost code to buy buy this.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Massive bird, it only costs you like five six bucks.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
It's crazy, you know. Any just I'm still kind of
blown away by a lot of this stuff. And to
wrap up, none of this is actually to defend the
industry or to create an animal who hatches out with
an expiration date. It's just to explain some of the
inner workings of why things are functioning in the broiler
chicken industry as they do. Personally, I don't like them.
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I don't like that we have an animal that has
no possibility of a normal life. However, I do have
some Cornish games. They are chunky, fat, adorable and very friendly.
Actually they grow slower and they would eat more feed
per pound of meat, but at least it's a more
humane life for them, whether they end up on the
table or live their lives just producing eggs and looking cute.
(13:45):
I've included some photos of my two very cute bantam
Cornish game hens, as well as a chart of the
Cornish cross throughout the years.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, and of course they can.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
That's super chicken four two hundred and two grams.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
This is like where we are at the modern Cornish cross.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
And then we have some lovely We asked you to
send us pet pictures and chickens. I think absolutely apply.
These are adorable. I wish we've gotten names. But there's
a little cute brown one sitting on some eggs, a
little white fluffy one, and one with some real cute
brown feathers and a cute little little beak.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm really kind of warming up to chickens.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Sorry about my screed, my screed earlier about their creepy feet,
but man, I thank you.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I really just chickennato.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
I think this is really, really informative and super helpful
to get this kind of inside perspective on how this
industry functions and how difficult it is to change it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Guys, should we go back to the chicken dad. We
visited that one time and yeah, you can sit among
that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Now, that's not go crazy. I'll hang on the periphery again.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Okay, chickenato, thank you so much, or chickenado, however it'll
be pronounced in the end. Thank you again for the
awesome pet pictures. When asking for photographs of your pets
or your non human animal friends, we always mean it sincerely,
(15:11):
and we want to invite you to share more pictures
of your chickens and you, specifically you conspiracy realists, to
share photos of your favorite non human animal friends.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Absolutely, let's take a quick break here, a word from
our sponsor, and then come back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And we've returned. Guys. We got some updates and comments
to two stories that we covered recently. Ben I think
these were both your stories, so get ready. We got
more information, insider information from people who know their stuff.
The first one comes to us from Dirty D who
(15:58):
listened to us talking about dB Cooper and potential identification there,
specifically about the parachute modifications that we were talking about
that were discovered that aided in this potential identification of
who dB Cooper is really good stuff. Let's jump to
Dirty D.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
Hey you guys, this is Dirty D the modifications to
the parachute for the dB Cooper. The device is called
the APRR, an Automatic Parachute ripcord Release, and it gets
installed inside of the backpack area.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
And this device, it has an anrooid in it and
it's set to actuate at a particular altitude. So if
he were to have jumped and became unconscious for whatever reason,
the parachute was still open because this anrooid works in
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conjunction with a squib or a CAD, a cartridge actuating
device which is like a small explosive, and it blows
the ripcord release and it basically sends the skirt hemn
of the parachute like it just blasts it forced open. Yeah,
(17:20):
So if you have any questions about, you know, the
operation or anything about it, give me a call again.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Love what you guys do.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Thank you WHOA Okay, Okay, this is first of all
awesome tech. Thank you Dirty D. For letting us know
about that. This is a thing that we have all
seen in popular media, specifically, you guys, I just saw
this yesterday when I finished watching a new movie on
Netflix called carry On.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
That last night.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah yeah A C A R R Y.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Dash O N it's It's. It features Taron Egerton and
Jason Bateman and Sophia Carson.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And purpose Jason Bateman plays not the kind of role
you might expect historically, but at.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The same time, he's so Jason Bateman. It is a
glorious thing that that man can do and just be himself,
and he can either be the most cutting, dry straight
man in a show, like somebody who just reacts to
other people's insanity as in Arrest of the Development, or
in this I swear it just feels like Jason Bateman,
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but he seems like the most menacing bad guy I've
ever seen.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
He was kind of a bastard in Ozark, but he
also played it with this kind of like, ah shucks,
I wouldn't really do anything wrong kind of you know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Carry On reminded you of this, Oh yeah, it's just
so good and awesome work, Jason. So it reminded me
of this point I'm not going to do spoilers, but
it features a moment, oh gosh, it kind of gives
spoilers for it. It features a moment in there where
one of these things is specifically shown to you, like
(19:01):
as a look at this. This is an automatic parachute
deployment system on this thing, which I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Think you should beat yourself up. Man. The title carry
On is kind of a spoiler.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, yeah, and it does feature the TS mother in
a and shout out to get out there you go.
But okay, but it all goes back to this concept
of what if I need my parachute to deploy automatically?
And it makes me wonder why aren't all parachutes like that?
(19:35):
Why this should be a necessity rather than an add
on in my mind.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
So when you get the RFP, as Uncle Sam the
funny proposal, you want to save the taxpayer money. And
if that means that a few shoots might not quite
shoot what they should, that you know, greater good. I'm
needing a monster but that is historically true.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, But then it became well, we need a secondary
parachute for every paratrooper now, so we got to make
sure there's there's two.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I can't wait for subscription shoots. Bro, I'm so bullish
on this one, you know, just pay your Why.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Not why don't all of us have parachutes at all times,
just in case take a little topple. You're a little
too high on parachute.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
The wind's looking nice, and you want to save money
on the uber, you know, just climb to a high
enough elevation, pop it and let the wind decide.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Boom, paraglide vacation in a snap. Seems exciting to me.
But just just to go back to dirty D, thank
you so much for sending us that little bit of information.
I love just knowing that it's an aneroid that has
a little tiny explosion that causes the parachute to just play.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Which is yeah, thank you, dirty D. And as you're aware,
dirty D, there are also other possible modifications or little
zip zappies you could do with a typical shoot. This
is important information And like you, Matt, I love specific nomenclature.
(21:21):
And we've got a lot of aviation enthusiast and experts
in the audience tonight, longtime listeners who doubtlessly have been
thinking about some of the same thoughts you brought to
us Dirty D, So thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh yeah, see, if you can use this in conversation
this week, Automatic Parachute rip Chord Release. It's just fun
to say, and if you can slip it into a convo,
you'll be the coolest person around the table, also known
as ap r R. Thanks so much, Dirty D. Now
we're jumping to another story that we talked about recently.
(21:57):
This one is about the dhlh that occurred. Remember that
plane went right into the ground as it was landing.
Everything looked fine and then just nosedived right at the
last second. Very confusing. We speculated a lot about why
that would have happened, how that could have happened, what
are the bigger implications of that happening. And we're going
to jump to somebody who knows their stuff, Phantom Flyer.
(22:21):
So here is Phantom Flyer's message.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Hey guys, come, it's a Phantom Flyer. I'm just listening
to your episode about the DHL crash. I have to
be in the aviation industry. So what we're kind of
looking at is something called controlled flight into terrain. From
all the stuff I've been watching and for everyone kind
of in the aviation industry. I know a lot of
(22:47):
us have been looking at it. It looks kind of
like they were what's called under the Clyde slope and
it may have been due to a loss of you know,
different things, But just wanted to give you that kind
of thing in control flights the terrain. You guys can
look it up. It's quite interesting. When I worked at
the FAA, I actually had a document that we worked on,
(23:09):
so stuff like this, unfortunately isn't too common or isn't
too uncommon. Just thought i'd give you the heads up.
You know, I got to use this on the radio.
So love your show. Thank you, guys, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Boom Okay, So some new vocabulary that we have to
go over there. The main one for me that we've
talked about. I can't remember the exact story, but it
was when there was a deep underground base that was
discovered because a flight ran into the mountain right near
where it was located. And that's how that's how the
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public found out about this big underground facility that the
government had because there was a controlled flight into terrain
where it's like everything seems to be fine, everything seems
to be nominal, and then all of a sudden, the
plane crashes, and then it's up to everybody else to
figure out what the hell happened. And you know, in
that case, it turned out that the pilots believed they
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were at the correct altitude at the correct positioning, but
in fact they were only supposed to reach that or
like get down to that altitude after a certain x
number of miles from where they actually were. And that's
a lot of that has to do with flying by
instrumentation rather than being able to see like where you're going,
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which is a very common occurrence and still gives me
pause every time I get into a plane. You guys,
just knowing that that's normal. We're just looking at some
outputs and that's how we know where we are and
where we're going. I just got to trust technology, I suppose,
and often it works. Ninety nine point nine percent of
the time, all of it works. But sometimes you get
(24:44):
something like this where there's an error for one reason
or another and you have a crash. And the other term, guys,
that I didn't know is under the glide slope. Have
you guys heard of this and or encountered that before?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Thankfully, I've never I've never flown a plane with that
where that nomenclature would occur. But I am, I am,
I would say passingly familiar, Matt, can you wait for it?
Elevate our knowledge on flying under the glide slope?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well, guys, I don't know anything about it. And I
went over to a form on infiniteflight dot com. Yeah,
and was just trying to figure out what the heck
it meant. I'm going to read something like this is
a form. I'm sorry. This is where I'm at right
now looking at this. This is from Akim's Underscore Aviation.
(25:41):
The glide slope or glide path is in the most
basic explanation, the angle of descent to the runway. They
provide a picture basically showing you the way the lines
move forward from your perspective as the pilot as you're
coming in. And this is another piece of information that
I didn't know. Says, you know those red and white
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lights beside the runway, Well, those are called PAPI lights
or Precision Approach Lighting System.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
No, I like Poppy.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They're Poppy lights and they help to guide you in
the runway and it shows how it works. But I
still don't fully understand being under or over the glide's
slope as you approach as a you know, if you're
piloting a flight, there are quite a few other things
to look up, like if you look at glide path
and this is coming from Wikipedia, sorry, guys. Wikipedia will
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tell you that glide path and glide slope are essentially
the same thing. And this is a quotation that comes
from ITU Radio regulations. It says, the glide slope or
glide path is quote a system of vertical guidance embodied
in the instrument landing system, which indicates the vertical deviation
of the aircraft from its optimum path of descent. So
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that would mean the PA knows the optimum path of
descent to get your plane exactly where it needs to
go to land on that runway just perfect. Like, but
if you are under or over that angle, it's going
to let you know.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
You'll have an indicator that says, you know, your two
blips too far up, two blips too far down, both
of which are kind of bad. But I think two
blips too far down is the worst one.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh yeah, and Phantom flyer, I wish you were here
to just tell us, like actually explain this to us.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
So that I.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Personally, I'm doing everything I can to try and understand
it and then explain it. But it is important to
note we've talked about this before. One of the major
issues Boeing had with their new Max planes was it
was a piece of instrumentation on the nose or like
the side of the nose of the plane that let
it know where it is from an altitude perspective, and
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then it could automatically adjust the back of the plane
to write that altitude. And that was one of the
major issues where it would it would send the nose
down to try and get to optimal altitude, and sometimes
the instrument that's telling you what altitude it is was
wrong or missing because there was only one and it
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would pop off sometimes and that's what caused planes to
nosedive the way we saw this DHL plane nose dive
right at the end.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
And phantom correct is here, clarify email or call us,
and I believe if we're if we're understanding instrumentation correctly,
the modern aircraft is sort of triangulating via localized radio signals,
which goes to your earlier point there about flying under
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bad weather when one cannot visually assess or what do
we say in always sunny when you can't give it
an ocular assessment out the act.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, yeah, don't have ocular on. Sorry, we're gonna figure
this out with the instruments.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I thought you cleared them, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But the glide it is good to know here. The
glide slope glide path thing is a system that is
set up on the runway itself that is communicating with
the plane as you as you're saying ben, so as
you're coming in, you should have all the information you
need there. And it is really cool looking there. There
are emission patterns that you can check out of how
this actually functions, so that the glide slope is perfectly
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within these two signals that get sent out and it's
like right there in the vent diagram the angle of
approach just so super cool, super super cool. Uh, you guys,
we have more information. We'll give a quick mention here
to Phoenix, who also had some really interesting ideas and
send us a voicemail about why and how you might
(29:55):
disrupt DHL operations like that and why this crash probably isn't. Yeah, yeah,
why this crash probably isn't. Some of the crazier stuff,
because there's other ways of achieving those goals, at least
according to Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
And I kind of didn't want to put them on.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Air, to be honest, Phoenix, because there are scary ideas.
Very intelligent and thought about that.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
And your correct Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Just for the record, yeah, oh yeah, for sure. I
think that's why it makes me a little nervous. But
for now, thank you so much, Phoenix, Phantom, Flyer, dirty D,
everybody else who's called in, and we will be right
back with more messages from y'all.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And we have returned. Thanks not just to all our
fellow conspiracy realists who call in, but thanks as well
equally to people or entities who take the time to
write in. As we've often said, sometimes the void rights back.
And I would love to share a great a great dialogue,
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a great discourse from a European Shepherd who's a long
term fan of the show. You we will refer to
as the Shepherd bancois you say, bonjour, good fellows. I
have evolved through the Stuff podcast team from Stuff you
Should Know Dylan, can we get a clap awesome? Through
(31:30):
movie Crush Dylan, can we get a Hurrah awesome? And
onto you guys. That's stuff they don't want you to know,
and I must thank you all for entertaining and educating
me through many a long day working in all weathers
on our farm. In your recent episode The Terrifying Future
(31:54):
of Food, However, as you rounded up the episode, a
comment by Ben left me shouting into the wilderness. No Ben, why? Men?
You summarize the episode by saying that the quote world
would be objectively in better shape if we were all vegetarian?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
No Ben? Why?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
How could it be that the infinitely knowledgeable sir Ben
Bullet and too kind and thank you could have found
himself a proponent of a potential conspiracy of big veg or,
at the very least, something they don't want us to know.
Feel free to use my email on the air. My
(32:39):
name is the Shepherd. So first off, excellent writing got
us all on board. A lot of us in the
audience tonight may be wondering, well, what would be the
problem if the you know, if the human animal overall, all,
you know, a point whatever billion went vegetarian. This is
(33:02):
where the Shepherd brings up fascinating correspondence. Now, now to
be clear before we continue, I think it's fair to
say that Tennessee Pal, Matt, Frederick, Matt both hands, Frederick
and Noll the bagman Brown and yours truly are omnivorous. Right,
None of us are full vegetarian yet.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
No.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
I do enjoy vegetarian cooking, but it's never been like
a lifestyle choice that I've made. I do have some
friends that are vegan and love it, and I have
friends they're like pescatarian.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I guess to each their own kind of situation. Met
you said it, Matt, you said it.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And Dylan Tennessee Pal just logged in with again his
astonishing Jamiqui music video background to throw us an ambiguous
thumbs up. You are so good at this, dude, Thank
you for being on the show. Also great Jamiqui costume.
That's an Easter egg for La. So the Shepherd continues
(34:02):
and says, I am a British sheep farmer working in
France and have many neighboring farmers who grow vegetable or
grain crops. They cut away traditional hedgerows and fell trees,
cut trees down in the middle of fields to make
giant superfields. They spray herbicides before plowing and sowing Their
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single crops which are harvested before the chemical destruction cycle
begins again. This is stuff we have talked about. I
am a shepherd, says the shepherd, and my fields have
remained constant for two decades. No herbicides, no pesticides. We
have wild flowers, thick hedges and trees to provide shelter
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and cover for our sheep. We have grounding nesting birds,
a myriad of butterflies, bees, dragon and crane flies, plus
other insects mammals, birds, foxes, deer, birds of prey, etc.
This is where it gets. It's a very interesting not
(35:05):
doing the catchphrase in this one. None of these have
had the opportunity to establish themselves in a field destroyed
by pesticides and plowing on a yearly basis. I would suggest,
says the shepherd, that a vegetarian diet will inevitably lead
to the extinction of many species of animals, insects, and plants,
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or at the very least a negative impact on biodiversity.
Let's pause there, because I think that's a really important thought,
you know what I mean, Like, what do you guys
think about biodiversity in a world of global vegetarians.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
It's interesting I mean, doesn't biodiversity also apply to plant.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Life very much?
Speaker 6 (35:54):
So yeah, okay, so are we talking what are we
talking about here?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Exactly?
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Like I mean like that these these concepts not being
able to coexist.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What I think is being stated here is that if
we became vegetarian, we would need a lot more land
to be cultivated in the ways that are helpful for
plants to grow, right, like large operations, because now everybody
is eating only plants.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
And especially they'll be monocultural, which is the difficulty exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
So then over time you're getting rid of even more
places where wild animals tend to you know, proliferate. And
if you continue that down the path, I can see
this image. But what you're forgetting are vertical farms. I'm
bringing it back up, guys, vertical farms.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And I have a response to this. We'll get to
as well. Yes, vertical farms, whether por sine or produce.
Oh no, so let's go. You know, the shepherd you
took the time to write to us. We want to
give want to give the English on this one, all right,
so you say, and thus my gauntlets are off, and
(37:05):
I challenge thee to a duel. Good sir Ben, as
a humble farmer, I know you guys love that phrase.
As a humble farmer, without access to the statistics, I
ask you this question, Sir Ben, is the reduction in
animal farts by becoming vegetarian better for the planet than
the destruction, if not extinction, of many species that thrive
(37:29):
in long term grazing land. I hope you will read
this on the air in the hope that this other
side of livestock farming gets further consideration, as it is
so often ignored the public debate about vegetarianism. All the
best stuff, guys, the Shepherd, as as my colleagues knew here,
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folks did right back to the Shepherd and to your
point map, which is excellent foreshadowing here it gets us
to conversation about path dependence. Now, Shepherd, I wrote to
you in depth because we're great fans of your perspective here,
and most importantly, you brought a tremendously impactful point to
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all of us listening tonight. Path dependence, without getting too
into the grass, is this sort of institutional theory arguing
that group decisions, large scale decisions are often constrained by
past decisions of previous institutions. The most famous examples of
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this are usually orbiting around the concept of technology, like
the Querity keyboard. We all have a Querity keyboard right now,
right anybody who's in devorak not mean got hard got
hard from from Matt Noll at Dill. It is probably
typing typing a message to us now on.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
One of those crazy split keyboards on his split keyboard.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I noticed when I signed into the Discovery Plus recently
why I have such a hard time using their search
on their platform, because it is just a B C,
D E, F G H I j K and just
it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Aware is the freaking.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
That's the thing. Yeah, here, here's an example. We're going
somewhere with this. Uh, the Shepherd you already know because
you're part of our discourse. Oh gosh, hang on, Dylan
just sent us a message in the chat. Don't get
mad at us, Dylan, what did you send? All right,
let's uh, let's give some space to Tennessee pal. Oh
he said to us a picture of his keyboard, which
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is a maltron. I bet, I bet it's really clicke.
Yeah yeah, oh nice. Oh that explains so much about
our editing process tight.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's so ergonomic.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
For one hand, here's the deal, here's path dependent. It's
a famous example of this. Fellow conspiracy realist. Keeping it brief,
the querty keyboard is not the optimal layout for humans
typing with their you know, with their collection of ten
carpols or or whatever fingers. And the the reason it
(40:23):
exists is because back in earlier evenings, in the advent
of the typewriter, these little physical blocks of letters, right,
each block is a letter used to fly at the page,
and if you were typing too fast, if your fingers
were too good at writing, then these things would jam.
So people purposely figured out how to make a kind
(40:46):
of crap layout for the order of the alphabet and
numerical symbols, just because that would make typewriters jam less frequently. Now,
you don't don't usually use a typewriter unless you're Tom
Hanks and you collect typewriters. That's true story.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
Also quick shout out to the recent Ridiculous History episode
on the history of the alphabet A.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Yes, yes, two parter. Oh we got in the weeds
on that one. Please do it, please do check it out.
That's a nice uh, whisper in we'll call it so
I hear you, I see you. So by the time
the technology evolved, the querty keyboard layout was already so
(41:35):
normalized that it would call society more blood, sweat, and
energy and treasure to change it than it would to
build around it. And this gets us back to your
excellent argument, the Shepherd, your work will only become more
important as biodiversity continues to dwindle, and it's doing no
(41:58):
small part to large scale agricultural practices that you mentioned
in your initial correspondence. The human is not an obligate carnivore,
meaning the human can definitely just the vegetables all the
live long day and it'll be fine. It'll reproduce, it'll
make more people. They'll have, you know, watch parties for
(42:20):
Lost or whatever.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
It is funny though, like I love vegetables ben but
in my mind sometimes just it just like it gravitates
towards the steak.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I find it to be yummier.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
But I also know that good vegetarian cooking is also yummy,
and I think I just need to figure how to
break myself of that. But I think a lot of
people probably struggle with that too, where you know, there's
something about meat that's just like it does it for you,
even though we don't need it.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
It's totally a luxury.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Well, check out the omnivores dilemma by Michael Pollen, which
we keep to your point, Sarah whispering in. So here's
the deal. I'm conceding your point, the shepherd. You have
excellent work here, and you're very well reasoned. I will
advance one caveat. Global vegetarianism sounds jolly. It won't work
(43:13):
caveat for now, and it's because of that same path dependence.
The way that the agricultural industry currently practices means it
is unsustainable and untenable to grow enough vegetable matter for
the entirety of the world's human population to only consume vegetables.
(43:38):
And you know, just like our pals Tennessee Pal and
know all the bag man and Maddie both ends here.
Like all of us, I too, am extremely omnivorous, with
very few exceptions. There's almost nothing I won't eat. I
think we talked about it off air. You guys had
to give up the octopus.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
No, they're smart, you know it's that. Yeah, it's like
there are very few hills I will die on. But
I do think about that every time I see it
on a menu, and I usually avoid it because they
are so incredibly sentient and feeling. But per our conversation
or maybe a one sided conversation with Peta and that
email about ascribing, you know, certain types of emotions and
(44:20):
abilities to feel an experience to some species but not others.
I think there are probably plenty of species other than
octopi that know they're being you know, severely hurt and
poor lives.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
And honestly, it might be different selfishly if there were
an octopus population that lived for a very long time,
Like if there was a fifty year old octopus and
I knew it was the equivalent of a maritime war criminal.
If there was a fifty year old, super evil Henry
(44:54):
Kissinger solid sar pullpot type octopus, I would happily eat it.
But unfortunately they're too smart. They burned so bright, and
they die so quickly. Here's the thing I had to
eat with this one. You guys had to eat a
little crow because the Shepherd one nails some great thoughts
and we hope you'll consider it as well. A massive
(45:17):
rollout of industrial level produce farming with current technology, stuff
that doesn't encounter, like you're saying, Matt vertical farming, soil reclamation,
exciting innovations, and hydroponics. If you use the technology as
it stands today, it will almost certainly spell disaster for
the human population. We know there's there's a lot of
(45:41):
stuff to the story here, but that's the basis.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
I think the question that came up for a couple
of us, maybe all three, when that pig you know
skyscraper or whatever story came through this was why do
it with pigs, which is create such a nasty, you know,
toxic literally environment that's horrible for the animals, it's horrible
for the workers. Why not do it with soybeans or
do it with And the answer was pigs are more popular.
(46:06):
But it does feel like there will come a time
where we can no longer lean on what's popular and
it has to be more like, what is you know,
how is this going to hate subsistence?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Big picture, yes, there will come an evening.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
But that's a reckoning though, right, And it's like we
just that's not how the world works, is it.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Unfortunately we just kick the can down the road.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
And say if we can make more money selling people
the thing they want, then why would we sell them
the thing they need?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You know?
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Well, but yeah, kicking the can is a band aid solution.
You know, it works until it doesn't. With this, we
want to hear your opinions, fellow conspiracy realist, regarding the
idea of sustainability. What is your specific diet? Do you
like us wrestle with the omnivores dilemma? Are you full vegan?
(46:56):
Are you full vegetarian? Are you considering yourself an obligat carnivore?
And if so, if so, how does it work? Before
we end this listener mail program, we wanted to share
with you some letters from home in the form of
a couple holiday jokes from our pal, who may become
(47:18):
a new nemesis. He's certainly a nemesis to comedy, Humorous Harry.
Do you guys want to hear? Do you guys want
to hear?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Want is a strong word, but I'm here for it.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
All right, all right, we'll just do I went a
little long with our exploration with the Shepherd. Let's just
do one from Humorous Harry. It's a letter from him
to all of us. Because of global climate change. Santa
was surprised when his wife said, it looks like rain. Dear,
(47:51):
Tut tut tut. All right, we'll do one more. This
is for you, humorous Harry. What does Frosty the Snowman
put in his cereal bowl?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
So ez? I like some of these. I don't got it.
I'm working on it.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
Let's see what is Frosty the snow snow Man put
in his cereal blow?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Frosted flakes?
Speaker 4 (48:18):
Ah, so close, Judges, that's a yes, it is snowflakes,
which I would say count as frosted.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
But it's Frosty the Snowman.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
I mean it's frosty flakes.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, I feel like you got it. I feel like
the judges sent it there.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
And with that we all one more hold on.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, you know I do kind of crave it now,
I do kind of crave Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Can you do number ten? Ben?
Speaker 4 (48:45):
Absolutely? It's what I have bulded as well. Uh. Did
you know that Santa's elves have present competitions, Matt?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I did not know that. What what what kind of competitions?
Speaker 4 (48:57):
They like? Having wraps? Oh, I can't wait to see
what you do with these outh. You're still and with
that we can't wait to hear from you. Thank you
to the Shepherd, thank you to Humorous Harry. Sarah. We're
(49:18):
gonna get to you later, but we've cooked up some
great synonyms that we're gonna pitch you for the idea
of a shout out. Thank you to Phantom Flyer, dirty Deed,
of course, Chickennato, and everybody else just like us. Moving
forward to twenty twenty five, If you want to join
the show, we'd love to have you on board. Let's
(49:40):
get the band back together. Find us on email, find
us on telephone, Find us on the internet.
Speaker 6 (49:47):
Indeed, you can find us at the handle conspiracy stuff,
where we exist on Facebook, where we have our Facebook group.
Here's where it gets crazy. Get in on the conversation.
It gets crazy, y'all. You can also find us at
that handle on x FKA Twitter. Then you pointed out
the other day we got a pretty beascent following on
that old X, so check it out at us whatever
(50:08):
you do on X. You can also find us at
that handle on YouTube, where we have video content glory
for your perusing. Enjoyment on Instagram and TikTok. However, though
TikTok's days may be numbered. You can find us at
the handle Conspiracy Stuff Show.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
We have a phone number. It is one eight three
three st d WYTK. Put it in your contacts when
you call. It's a voicemail system. You've got three minutes.
Say whatever you want. Give yourself a cool nickname and
let us know if we can use your name and
message on the air. Why not tell us about the
coolest present you gave this holiday season. We were talking
(50:46):
about keyboards earlier, y'all. I stumbled on one, and we
are not sponsored by them. Stumbled on one called a
black chrome quirky writer that is designed to look like
a typewriter. It's a keyboard for your computer, but it
clickety clacks like a typewriter.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Sounds awesome.
Speaker 6 (51:04):
Hunting and pecking, hunting and pecking one thingy and it's time.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Well, I think it's designed to give you that feel
of sitting at a typewriter.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Was like.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
It would go. It sounds exciting to me. Again, not sponsored,
and it looks really expensive. But tell us about the
coolest gift you gave. If you've got more to say
than can fit in a three minute voicemail, If you've
got links, you've got pictures anything like that. We do
have a good old fashioned email.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence
we receive. Be well aware, just like the shepherd. Sometimes
the void writes back, do send us the link, says
earlier mentioned. Do send us the photographs. When you do,
we can all see it. When we respond, we all
see it will move as a unit, and that unit
(51:52):
indeed include you. Please please tell us your opinions of
you know, your resolution. Let's hear your resolutions. We'll check
back in later in what the humans call twenty twenty five.
For now to do that, join us out here in
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