February 1, 2024 • 55 mins
Mama Dino prompts an examination of carbon monoxide poisoning in Utah. Veteran ghost hunter George shares a guide to exploring Electronic Voice Phenomena. Multiple Conspiracy Realists weigh in on the earlier ghost kitchens episode. The Rise of Nicky Biscuits. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Matt, my name is Noah. They call me Ben.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
We're joined with our super producer Paul, Mission Control decand
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
Folks.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We always say you are the most important part of
the show. When we say that, because it's true and
we love hearing from you, which is why every week
we like to take a break. We like to share
your reports from your fellow conspiracy realists. We got a
lot of react to our episode on ghost kitchens, which
(01:03):
was pretty fun. We're going to get some reactions to
our EVP episode. We're gonna get We're gonna have some
letters from home shout outs at the end, and before
we do any of that, there is a letter that
I think stood out to all of us about something
strange occurring in Utah.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Yeah, something rotten in Utah. Well, maybe not rotten, but
a little unusual. Let's just say I'm gonna jump right
into us. This is an email that came to us
from Mama Dino, seemingly quite shrewd listener. Some very fun
caveats here in this email starting off longtime listener and
most of the time I like you guys most.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Of the time.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Well, these are, by the way, my favorite parts of
this letter.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Well, figot, I was wondering if you guys have heard
of all the carbon monoxide poisonings happening in southern Utah
this last month. I first started hearing about them when
my cousin, who lives in Severe maybe Severe I think
it's spelled Severe County, his heater went out, which you
would think is normal every once in a while. But
just a week later, a Latter Day Saints church building
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in Monroe poisoned nearly fifty people from their faulty heating system.
Monroe is a small town, so surrounding cities and counties
had to send out multiple ambulances to transfer all patients
to the hospitals, and then they provided a link. This
is true such a small town or area that they
didn't have enough ambulances in their own Cash of emergency responders,
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so they had to know outsources from surrounding counties. I
live in Cedar City, which is one and a half
hours away from Monroe. My husband is a police officer
with Cedar CITYPDS, so I hear a lot about what
goes on. He says that he has gone to more
carbon monoxide calls than usual, and we are only in January.
Then on Friday, the nineteenth of this year, Canyonview Middle
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School had to be evacuated for carbon monoxide poisoning. This
is the text that was sent out from the school district.
And I don't know about you, Matt, but I get
these from my kids' school all the time. Like the
formatting of them is very familiar. ISCD Alert parents, guardians,
and staff. We understand your concerns about the carbon monoxide contamination.
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The building has been monitored and cleared multiple times by
the Cedar City Fire Department and Dominion Energy. Kind of
a sinister name for an energy company.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
If you have you tell has got a lot of
companies with sinister names.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Clear it would seem so yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
A cause has not been identified today Sunday, January twenty first,
a National Guard has met team has been called in
jeez and is currently thoroughly testing the building. We will
communicate more information to you this afternoon once that investigation
is complete. Update just stated that the middle school will
be remote for Monday and Tuesday. Still waiting to see
(03:51):
what they do next. I just feel like this is
a lot of coincidences of carbon monoxide poisonings so close
together within different cities. Thanks for the podcast that keeps
me saying is a stay at home mom, and sometimes
y'all help me fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Sincerely, Mama Diina.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Sometimes it's great to hear from you too, Mama de
They really I'm just kidding. Thank you so much for
writing to us. You're onto something I.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Think, well, yeah, you know, and it does sound I
think maybe too. When you're dealing with sort of isolated
parts of the country like this and smaller parts of
the country where a religion or a way of life
perhaps you know that is unfamiliar to too many, perhaps
you know is very dominant, You know that the Latter
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Day Saints, and then you hear about things like this happening,
your mind goes.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
To conspiratorial places pretty.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Quickly, as though this is some sort of I don't know,
backlash or perhaps there's someone that has a beef against
the church, you know, or against members of the community perhaps,
Like we obviously have no details tying any of these
occurrences together. And you could also just chalk up to
downright poverty, you know, or lower income perhaps in some
(05:05):
of these areas where people can't afford to maintain their
heating systems, or there are things that go undone because
of lack of funds. And I'm just conjecturing here. I
am not sure saying that this is a necessarily a
poverty stricken part of the country. I'm just saying it
could be part of the reasoning. And I'm wondering what
you guys think.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, I'm looking at that NBC News article discussing the
church where fifty four people were there at the church
and they had to you know, get help or whatever
for carbon monoxide poisoning. The official, i guess blame falls
on a heating system. Same with the school, and so
you know, everybody uses them. We talked about that couple
(05:45):
that died pretty recently, but that was that wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
There was no carbon monoxide.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It wasn't about carbon monoxide. It was about just the
heating system.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Without having the governor or regulatory safety measures working exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
The thermostat was busted, and it basically just like didn't
know how hot.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It was getting.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I do think when it gets into cold temperatures and
these systems are working over time, there is a higher
chance to have a problem right or a small leap.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Absolutely, I'm sorry I should have mentioned that firstly, and
that maybe you know that combined with perhaps lack of maintenance,
could account for such a pattern.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I think inclement weather and lack of maintenance are are
our most plausible culprits at this point, just because that
makes the most sense. You know, we know that lack
of maintenance is what has led to the lack of
maintenance regulation led to stuff going wrong Boeing, it wasn't act.
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It wasn't you know, a nefarious, purposeful conspiracy. And it's
also very easy to miss that kind of maintenance because
those sorts of systems in general are ones that people
don't like to think about a lot until they break well, yeah,
you know, like people who own cars but don't like cars.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, And it could be tremendously expensive to keep that
stuff up, and especially if you've got other bills that
you need to worry about. It's probably not a priority.
Oh it's working. I'm not going to think about my
heating system because it's working right now.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Because I have other more immediate problems. And also, you know,
shout out to we have a lot of the LDS
conspiracy realist in the crowd. We have a lot of
listeners from Utah. Some of our friends and colleagues live
in Utah. Shout out to the Casual Preppers podcast. Interesting
to see, Oh I missed. Yeah, Oh they're great guys.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Well, I see what you can.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Will hang out with them later, I'm sure, I hope.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So, so this is a thing that I'm imagining, especially
right now. If you're looking around, you are seeing a
lot of stories about it. Paul Mission Control Decad just
wrote in our chat just a few days ago there's
an apartment building near him that had to get evacuated
because of a report of carbon monoxide leak of some
sort of game.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
So it may not be just a Utah thing.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Nice, It's a cold snap all around the damn country
right now.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I mean people are dying.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Downtown Atlanta high Rise had to be evacuated last week.
A Texas bakery there were several people who were hospitalized.
At Yale University, fourteen people were hospitalized last week due
to all due to carbon monoxide poisoning.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Literally, all you have to do is search for carbon
monoxide poisoning and not also type utah.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yeah, it's a very good point, and I'm sorry this
is not carbon monoxide related, but it just relates to
how brutally cold things have been, you know, of late
in Edwardsville, Illinois, the first Baptist church in Edwardsville is
being fined seven hundred fifty dollars a day for sheltering
the homeless or the unhoused from the bitter, bitter cold
that we as we know can actually kill people.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
There's that other story, Matt about the folks that froze
to death outside that house party, you know. Yeah, And
it seems that this Edwardsville situation and is due to
the fact that the church did not apply for the
proper permit, which just seems cruel and unusual to me.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But again, not carbon monoxi.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Early.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I'm just showing how crazy the temperatures have been lately.
It's almost as though the climate is changing.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
There's another very similar case in Ohio, where an Ohio
pastor has been charged for sheltering homeless people in this
terrible weather, and that that goes to zoning laws. And
if you go into the forums just reporting on those
two incidents, or definitely in the Ohio one, which I'm
(09:34):
more familiar with, then you'll see you'll see accusations that
are unfortunately not uncommon in small towns, arguing that the pastor,
Chris of El got on the wrong side of a
relationship with local law enforcement, and so that they're pushing
unnecessarily for something what's it called malicious compliance of some sort.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's pretty harmless.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I don't think you should criminalize being unhoused, and that's
something that parts of the US seem to be trending toward.
But then again, if you house somebody and you don't
have the maintenance on your heating system, they get carbon
monoxide and then you're at fault for that's.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
A good yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I mean, you know, there's a liability to consider, but still,
you know, at the end of the day, we should
be able to help our struggling members of our communities.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I was thinking about that the other day. Goes. I
didn't know about the San Diego flooding until like a
video popped up in my Instagram.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I learned nothing about it. Guys.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, it's it was pretty historic. It was intense. It's insane,
and I maybe I'm completely wrong here, but I'm reading
that it has a lot to do with an infrastructure problem.
Like a lot of the cities that end up experiencing
catastrophic flooding, it's just stuff wasn't quite up to snuff
and what it needed to be to protect, you know,
portions of the city that are closest to the ocean
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or to a river from flooding. It's terrifying really.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
It's also in that case they had a a lot
of those things have like a window of tolerance or
a margin of error, and from my understanding, things really
went wrong when they were hit with repeated storms consecutively.
I think it was three, which is it's tough to
plan for that.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
But it just made me think of on house people, right,
and like, what do you do when the city where
you live outside in it just begins flooding in that manner,
it's terrifying.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
One good thing we can say, and Mo Anddino, perhaps
you will agree with this. One good thing we can
say is that access to information allows people to be
more aware of stories that would normally or quite possibly
not be reported outside of their local community. So it
does enable us to have a better high level picture
(11:55):
of these patterns being described, like CO two poisoning across
the US, like the little war on the unhoused. And
he said it already. Old people don't always like when
we mentioned it. But it's real climate change, exaggerating, exaggerating
weather patterns escalating. I should say, I don't know if
(12:17):
this hit you guys part of town here in our
fair metropolis of Atlanta. But I was out on one
of my porches, just writing some stuff, and it was
a warm day, right, kind of overcast, but the weather
seemed nice. And then, as if a heavenly switch was flipped,
the sky opened up and there was a deluge. Yesterday, Yeah, yesterday.
(12:40):
Nola and I live relatively close to one another, so
usually we're affected by similar weather patterns. I'm just interested
if it hit you guys too, Yeah, I did, for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I mean, I've got to get rid of this thing.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I've got to couch in my back driveway that is
sitting in about three inches of water. There's a bit
of a depression kind of area in my driveway. But
it's also a bit like seventy two seventy three degrees
lately going down from you know, brutal cold, and I'm
sure we've got more cold snaps ahead of us, but
it's just really unpredictable and kinda just a little bit unsettling,
(13:14):
wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And Ben, I drove through that storm. Everything seemed fine
and just to overcast, and then I'm heading towards the
city and holy mackerel, it was some of the creepiest
lightning that I've experienced.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Amazing photographs, Guys.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Isn't it crazy when you're on the highway or something
and you can literally see the line of demarcation a
lotther like sheet of weather. Change begins and it's like
you're going into a portal. Man, It's It's wild.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
One of my favorite parts of the Great American interior,
especially when you get in that really flat land, you know,
Kansas and Brass kind of country and you can see
you can see the rain happening. But when that switch
flipped again, just mine in my own business, I was like,
this is warm outside, you know, it's overcast, so the
sun's not going to get to me. I'll just I'll
(14:03):
just write some stuff. And then I hear thunder and
then in the distance, ten minutes later, I hear like
thunder a little bit closer, and right after that thunder boom,
the bottom drops out. It was as if the sky
tried to try to sneak out a fart, And yeah,
(14:24):
it just we've all played that game, folks.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Danger always win.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
But like, what can be done though, in terms of
this this maintenance thing, Unfortunately the burden is on the consumer,
it seems, right, And if you cannot if you're a
private household or a private property, and you're not beholden
to the rules of a public space or a business,
then there's not really anyone enforcing maintenance on your systems, right.
(14:54):
I don't know if that's the answer. I don't know
if there should be. I don't know. I navigate that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It's just a weird thing, especially in apartment complexes where
if like in your unit, there's often a locked door
that has like the heating or the water heater, you know,
some system that you can't get to that only maintenance
is allowed to come into and mess with. But if
you've got one of those locked doors. I would highly
recommend you go on whateverever you order things online or
(15:23):
head to your home depot and get like a twenty
dollars carbon monoxide little thing you plug into the wall.
It's a detector. It's twenty bucks. You put it near
wherever that system is, just in case, because often apartment
complex will have some kind of built in systems for
fire and carbon monoxide. But dang, I don't know. I
guess I have trust issues, but.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Everybody should have trust issues. While you're at your local
home supply store, get a fire extinguisher or like, already
have one. Yeah, keep that thing on you. It's good
to have their fun.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I just got one for by my bed, like literally,
just in case. I don't know. I had this dream
about waking up in a fire in my house while
my son is here and my only fire extinguisher is
being pretty far away from me, and then like the
panic of that moment plus trying to get my son
and I to safety, plus being able to put a
fire out, and I was like, you're gonna sit right
(16:21):
here from now on, pal.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Be more paranoid. Get one in your car too, Yeah,
you should have your car.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
That's that's been one O one right.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yourself, just for like other people.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, also true.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Wouldn't you need a specialized one that would be more
for vehicle fires or oil fires or something or maybe
not something?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, I mean something's better than nothing. But yeah, get
one of the little Get one of the little guys,
you know what I mean, not like the final form
industrial oxygen cylinder looking thing from a hospital.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
But just one of the little small ones.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
But it's just the same stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
It's the same halon. You can get like a three
pack for two hundred and twenty dollars.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
On the internet.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
You guys want to go in on it, absolutely, it's reasonable.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Can't put a price on personal safety.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
We're very fun at parties for sure.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Well, thank you Mamadino for this this tip, and I
think I feel pretty confident we're barking up the right
tree as to you know, this is really just kind
of more of a weather thing than it is some
sort of plot against the Latter Day Saints. But let's
take a quick break a hero Worth Moore sponsor and
then come back with some more listener mail.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We're back drinking a cucumber lime Celsius, and I still
I can't decide how I feel about cucumber drinks.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
It's okay, it's it's a choice.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
It's a freshness too, you know what, It's good like
aqua fresca. Have you ever been to a really good
Mexican place a little bit of cucumber in with like
an aqua fresca, lime aid or something.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It can really be nice, all.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Right, it's adding something different to it. But I don't
know that I like.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I don't like eating a cucumber, but I do like
a cucumber vibe every now and again.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You know who hates cucumbers?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Cats?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Yeah, oh, I take it back to One great use
of cucumber is to make setsky sauce. You know, you
scoop out the guts and squeeze out the water, and
a bunch of garlic and yogurt.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Boys, and a cucumber is involved somehow.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Cucumber Okay, I know, you squeeze out the you basically
scoop out the seeds, You peel it, and then you
grate it and that gives the satsiki this really nice
fresh kind of vibe, super good great food.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And thus concludes the cucumber section of this listener mail episodes.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Sorry, everybody stop writing about take some cucumbers from the day, guys.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
If you want if you want advice for good cucumber
uh cucumber adjacent recipes, just write to us. I gotcha.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Also not sponsored by Celsius, but we would so be
into that. Here we go. We've got several messages, guys
of people with personal experience with ghost kitchens. So let's
start out by hearing from Blake.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Hey, guys, this is Blake Move. You guys were just
putting out a call for people that work for delivery acts,
and I worked for Postmates in the past. I worked
for a Lift for quite a while, but now currently
for fun, I do door dash on the side. And
you guys were talking about ghost kitchens. I hate them
because you show up it's Biscuits Cafe and you're picking
(19:35):
up for some other restaurant and you have no like.
It's awful because most of them won't have a sticker
saying oh this is Brito Town. Also here you'll just
google the address and it comes up as another restaurant.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
I hate it.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
I'm a really fast driver. I'm a fast delivery guy.
But I just hate having to stop and like google
something and figure it out. But yeah, a lot of
places do that. Anyway, I'm at work, I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Here's Blake with a report. Gotta go. That was awesome, Blake,
thank you so much for giving us that information. I
love biscuits cafe. Is that a thing I want to
eat at biscuits cafe.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Biscuits is just a great word to put in the
title of any restaurant, you know, because it's so evocative
of the smell and the texture and the taste. I also,
I feel like we do have a delivery app episode
on the way. We've been hearing some great stuff from
our fellow listeners and got to tell you, man, you
are not the first person who said I don't care
(20:39):
for ghost kitchens because they can also be real. Apparently
some of them can be very difficult to find.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
They're not necessarily always made for pickup drivers from delivery apps.
Like the parking can be tough, and then the clock
is always counting against you when you're when you're working
in those professions.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Oh, very true. I was gonna shout out this company
and my friend I went to high school and his
name's Nick. He makes biscuits in New York City. I
cannot remember the name of it. Sorry, Nick, if you're
out there listening, I haven't spoken with him in years.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
He used to date my sister.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Oh, I remember this story. Also, I have a pitch
for you, Matt. What if we just as Since we
don't remember the name of his place right now, why
don't we just gift him with a nickname. Let's call
Nicky biscuits.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Oh that's a good.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Okay, that's it. That's it.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Why do they call them nicky biscuits? You pray you
never learned the answer.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But hey, let's get those stickers up on those ghost kitchens. Everybody.
If you're a proprietor of a kitchen that is also
a ghost, put up a sticker. Hey, so let's go
to our next person here. Grumpy Texan has had a
little experience here that I think will shock all of us.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
I guess Grumpy Texan here been listening for a little while.
First time caller anyway, Yeah, I was listening to all
the show on the ghost kitchens, and funny enough, that
same exact situation happened to my colleague while we were
working in New York pretty much the same name. He said,
past Walls is who he ordered from, except the differences.
(22:23):
His pizza actually came in a Chuck E Cheese box.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
We were two Texan guys that were working in New
York City staying in the Bronx, and we wanted some
genuine pizza and that's what he got. So anyway, thanks
love the show, guys, but he.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Got Charles entertained for sure, chocolate chips on the Chuck
E cheese plate.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
You guys, but.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It's just horrible. I know. I know that feeling like
the first couple of times I traveled to New York
and it's like, man, I need to find some pizza.
I keep hearing about this pizza and then you'd go
to a raise and it's not the right one and
you're just like, oh, that was kind of subpar.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yeah, I got to tell you, man, New York has
such an amazing food culture. I've always felt like, if
you are just looking for good, regular, non fancy pizza,
go to the place it looks like a money laundry operation,
you know what I mean, Because and sure, I mean,
maybe don't open with that when you talk with them,
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but just like be in the know about that and
be aware that you should probably have cash. And yeah,
there is that bait and switch though, especially because so
many people are using for convenience or sometimes for necessity,
are using delivery apps, and what you're typically looking for
(23:41):
in those apps, especially if you're in a new city
or a city in which you don't live, then you're
looking for the kind of food you want more often
than you're looking for a specific restaurant by name, right,
so exactly, so then you you say, Okay, this pizza
looks good or based on the pictures from this place
(24:03):
I've never heard of, right, and they capitalized. And I'm
really happy we did the Ghost Kitchens episode. I think
we were fair about it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Oh, I think so too. Mission Control. We're gonna keep
shouting you out this episode. He brought up a place
that he recently ordered from somewhere in New York City
called Wonder Wonder. It's a really interesting concept to me.
It feels like it's exactly what we described in the
(24:32):
Cloud Kitchen ghost Kitchen thing, where it appears to be
brick and mortar stores that are maybe one huge kitchen
and if you order from here from this one location,
when there are a bunch of locations actually, so a
bunch of these all over the place. You can get
food from like a dozen different seemingly high end restaurants
(24:53):
that's all cooked there in that one place.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
But like they're really leaning into it and presenting it
as a feature not a bug, you know, whereas some
of the I think the weirdness in our reporting on
the ghost kitchen phenomenon is folks being a little bit
shady about it, you know, as in the case with
this pizza box from you know, Chuck E Cheese. But like,
I think it's smart if done correctly. But Paul did
(25:17):
point out he felt that the food was good. Weirdly, though,
two of the franchises that are contained within this wonder
that Paul went to are two Atlanta based companies, which
I did not know that either of these existed in
New York. Ones called Fred's Meat and Bread, which is
really really good like Phillies and Burghers, and the other
one is Chaipani, which is kind of up plussed up
(25:38):
Indian food.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
But Paul said it was good.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
But the idea, though I believe, is that it's one
cook you know, or a group of cooks doing all
the food for all the places. So there could be consistencies,
you know, if you're having to know two large of
a menu. But there are certain types of restaurants that
would be more suited for this type of treatment, places
that don't have mass of menus.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Sure right, yeah, so it could be done well. It
could be done well.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And we're not vilifying these things at all. We just
we believe that people should be to the point about deception.
We believe that transparency is key with this kind of stuff.
And these are hard working chefs, they are making good food.
It is, as we spend so much time exploring in
that episode, restaurants are an incredibly tough business. It is cutthroat,
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is brutal. But also, you know, one thing we didn't
mention is something that I imagine common in many Western
cities is the pop up kitchen. Right. That's kind of
like a ghost kitchen, because you have a brand that
goes to a restaurant that may not They may just
want to give somebody a chance right to pitch their stuff,
(26:47):
and so you'll go to your typical whatever the You'll
go to your typical nikky biscuits and then you'll find
that tonight instead of their usual dinner menu, there's the
two hands pop up, and that is not seen as
misleading or anything, because again people are being transparent about
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it and it's a cool way to try new things.
But but yeah, I I I don't know, man. I
think ghost kitchens are gonna continue. I think they're gonna
I think this trend is gonna escalate. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yes, I mean this feels like the future to me.
I guys, I made a terrible mistake. Oh no, my
friend Nick does not make biscuits in New York. He
makes them in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Okay, Nicky biscuits still holds, I think.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
So, hey, man, better than ever, dude, no harm, no
foul and other expressions.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, you could look him up. His name's Nick Westbrook.
Amazing actor. Again, I haven't talked to him a long time.
Hopefully he's still an awesome person because he was when
I knew him. All Right, there, he goes, sorry that. Hey,
we've got one more message you guys. Yeah, this is
from I'm gonna call him Fi guy, pretty fly for
a FI guy. Here we go and play.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Hi, I'm a public health inspector in Canada, and I've
just been listening to your episode on ghost kitchens, and
I think you're assuming, well, it seems that you're assuming
that a lot of the ghost kitchens out there are
inspected and that we even know about them, And in
a lot of cases we don't. These places will pop up,
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they'll have four or five kitchens running out of them,
and we won't know until an inspector goes out and
takes a look at an area, finds one of these
restaurants and sees that suddenly, this pizza place has a
bunch of Mister Best Burger boxes in it. So now
you've got a person that works in a pizza place
cooking your burger. And that's the best case scenario that
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we catch them. It could be just a garage out
in the middle of nowhere, a food truck parked in
the field. God knows what they've got for equipment, God
knows what they've got for training. Did I know how
to cook a burger?
Speaker 8 (28:56):
You know?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Are they cooking it wrong? I don't know. I know
in the States you can buy a raw burger, can't
do it here in Canada. I think you need to
talk to someone in the health field and find out
what kind of conditions a lot of these places operate in.
Set that backing up rat's roads, improper cooking techniques, not
available refrigerators, It's it's a mess. Ghost kitchens are a
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nightmare for us. We've had an application here someone who
wants to operate with twelve places operating out of a
place besides just a small garage. So love the show.
I can't wait to hear what more you're going to
do our best?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Thanks, ooh ooh, dog with a ball, Matt, you got
to me, sir, I think we I think that is
an excellent point.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
We got.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
We got to dive in. I didn't know it was
so easy, but I guess you could do it pretty
off the book, so huh.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, oh, I guess you can. What he described, though,
sounded a lot like Wonder a very small location in
New York City, because we know that space is at
a very very much a pre They're in New York
City and all boroughs and all the places, and they
are They've got a ton of locations that Wonder place,
and they're running of at least a dozen kitchens out
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of there. So I mean it sounds like something that
would potentially be above board in the United States. At
least it changes things when you got a whole different,
you know, set of regulations you're working on in Canada
and in other countries. So we need to go international
with this thing.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I'm in okay, so Papua New Guinea in Canada, and
then I get and then I guess we'll add a
third for rule of three. But but that is that
is disturbing too, because just thinking through this, you guys,
all right, you position a ghost kitchen. So your main
your main platforms of business are going to be delivery apps.
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Delivery apps, do they require documentation of like health code
and then you know your score like here in the
UNIP so I don't know how it works in Canada,
but you know here in the US, any restaurant you
go to is supposed to have their little worksheet with
their health score displayed somewhere, and that's always fun to
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read while you're waiting for the takeout.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Do you guys have a minimum score like that will
cause you to not walk out if you see it.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I'm like eighty five. Eighty five is okay?
Speaker 5 (31:20):
That seems I know, maybe that seems like I got
real low standards.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
But you got to you got to read the thing.
If you read the thing, they didn't tell you why. Yeah,
like they get a perfect score. Oh but they also
have rats and you go, well bye.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Man.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
If you know anything from watching like Kitchen Nightmare type shows, Uh,
oftentimes people will get a bad score because of something
silly that they're just missed, that wasn't necessarily an egregious
you know, oversight or systematic problem. And then oftentimes they
will fix it even if you know, sometimes it don't
even make the news, like beloved restaurant fails health inspection,
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and then.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
They can make it right. Or might it's a really
good point then.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yeah, agreed, Or it could be it could be a
problem that is beyond their control, like it's something under
the onus of the owner of the building and they're
leasing the space. That can happen. But then also to
answer question, I'm not going to name names, but there's
a for a long time there's been a couple pretty
famous restaurants in an area of our town called Buford Highway,
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and they're legit and they're amazing. And there's one that
I went to regularly even when the score was eighty three.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh no, okay, me too.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, I stand by eighty five.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I would, you know, if it was a place I loved,
I would, I would go as low as eighty three.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, one of my favorite Bangladeshi restaurants that's out there,
and it's not the one maybe we're all thinking about
the one that shut down that was my favorite.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
It's not Panahr. It was so good, it was so good.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Josh Clark, I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry we even brought
it up. If you hear this in the ether somehow
on the streets, bro. But there's another one there that
is still one of It's one of my favorite places
to get food from, and it regularly has a low score.
I watched staff members come out into the dining room
area and shuck eggs. Just watched them doing it out there.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, I think one shucks corn.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Eggs.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
These are special.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Cigarette dangling in the staying wife guys.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Sometimes that's a badge of honor, sign of quality, you know,
greasy spoon, you know that kind of.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I am a friend of Chinatown's across the country.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah, if I if, I especially if I see and
this is such profiling. If I see an older dude
who is clearly over it and looks like kind of
bored with whatever he's doing, and the apron or like
the clothing is kind of dirty and stained, I feel
like it's legit. I'm like, you know what, but forget
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a menu. I'm gonna ask the guy what I should have.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Man, this cigarette dangling an inch of ash niggers, you know,
falls into the ragou.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
You know, seasoning there it is.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I also feel like we should mention first, Yes, we
need to look at the health code stuff in future episode.
But I agree with the point about reading reading the
details of the health inspection report because it's possible that
someplace has a high score. But then, like you said,
they have something egregious. You know, it's like two unidentified
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feet in the two unidentified severed feet in walking cooler?
Ninety three?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Can you get a ninety three with that kind of offense?
Speaker 5 (34:42):
You didn't see the thing that was some meme maybe
it was on Reddit or four chan, but some like
subway employee uh took a picture of them standing in
like one of those two pan things of lettuce, and
I was like, this is the lettuce you're eating?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
A movie.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
It was Burger King, but you know the the eagle
eyed Internet swarm immediately identified exactly which Burger King this
was and got the guy promptly fired.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh, no good, no.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Good at all.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well that's all today on Ghost Kitchens. Thank you, Blake,
Grumpy Texan and public Health inspector Guy. We will be
right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
And we have returned. This one is going to be
a bit of a round up, folks, a bit of
a compilation at the end, because there's a lot of
cool things we want to get to and as always,
it's a wonderful problem to have. We can't get to everyone,
so we're just going to have to keep doing this show,
which is awesome. First, Matt, you brought this to my mind.
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We want to thank our pals Josh and Chuck. A
little while back, Josh reached out to me and said
he was working started asking me questions about Esperanto. For
anybody who knows Josh, one of the cool things is,
like many of us, how stuff works. People will just
sort of, well, we'll just come to each other and
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then maybe not with a lot of context, start asking
really specific questions of scientific stuff or scientific nature anyway,
So shout out Josh and Chuck. They just did a
banger of an episode on how Esperanto works for all
the word nerds out there, and they gave us some
nice shout outs. So appreciate you, guys, and good luck
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to everybody who is learning esperanto. Just figure would we
would say that? And also aren't they on tour again
right now?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Maybe they should be.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
They always are doing little one off things here and there.
Great thing to catch if they come to your town.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yes, yeah, good, good thing to catch when they come
through your town. Perfectly said. We have another another letter
I want to read in part from someone responding to
our episode on electronic voice phenomenon ghost in the Machine.
This is from George, who says, who talks about some
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of the stuff that they learned in the course of
ghost hunting and investigations. Also, thank you to everybody who
wrote in about ghost hunting and your experience with it.
He says, the following one group had rules around collecting
audio recordings. I don't recall all of them, but these
came to mind, and this I think hits directly on
our conversation about methodology right in the science of this,
(37:28):
so first quote, we would make sure to dangle our
recorders from our wrist with straps and not move around
while recording. This would ensure we weren't introducing sounds with
subconscious movements of our hands or creating sounds with movement
of air. So it's kind of similar to like the
wich aboard argument, right it is.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I would just say they make these things called tripods
that you can attach equipment. Sorry, just me, in my mind,
dangling from a risk is precarious, that's all.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Can I just give a little shout out to a
product that I believe made its debut on one of
those shark tank type shows and I was hooked into
it by an Instagram ad. And it's a very flexible tripod.
I think it's called like the squid or something like that.
It's a very flexible tripod that has like little suction
cups on it and you can stick it to a wall,
(38:22):
stick it anywhere, or wrap the little leggies around different
you know things to mount it in different ways, and
it's really really really cool. It's called tentacle, that's what
it's called.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Sorry. Also eldritche Vibes.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yes and the job Gorilla pod that we like to
use in video production.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
For very similar to that. It has suction cups, you guys,
suction cups.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
And so there's another slight issue which I think we're
all aware of here, which is if you've ever done
the pendulum experiment, it's a great way to see how unconscious,
small muscle movement can be altered by your thought alone.
The experiment is very simple. You can play along at home.
You hold some weighted object by a string, something pendulum esque,
(39:05):
and then you as it's stankling, you start thinking about
it going up and down right like back and forth,
or moving in a circle, and as you think about
what path you want it to take, it will do
that because your hand is subconsciously moving.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
It really is interesting too, the idea of think about
this as hard as you can, and like, you know,
you could maybe make the jump that you're moving it
with your mind, but you kind of are, because your
mind is sending signals to your hand that you're not
even aware of that are causing it to change direction,
but you're not exactly sending, you know, psychic beams into
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the string.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Everybody has the power of mind over matter. In the
vast majority of proven cases. I'll go ahead and say
in all of the proven cases, it just turns out
the matter that your mind controls is your body.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Right, bro, Think about if you stand on one foot
and you're balancing on one foot, are you consciously telling
your body how to balance and like which micro movements
to make to maintain balance or.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Does the pro preception just kick in right? Like how
can you how can you close your eyes and touch
your nose without looking? It's pro preception, right, It's the
reason some people puke when they play games like Mirror's Edge.
Is that the one the park Woor game?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, the first person running across buildings.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, some people don't don't find VR comfortable either, Right,
And you guys put on the VR headsets and like
walked by, you know, a precipice or a cliff in
the game.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Matt introduced me to it one time when he came over.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
He used the first one that I knew that had
the newer edition of the Oculus Rift of the time.
And there's this game called Plant Game where it's like,
you know, graphics that are of the level of like
the Sims from the nineties, but you go up in
this elevator, and then the whole game is to walk
out on this plank and your mind just accepts what
is being presented because it is so immersive. And the
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first time I tried to do it, I literally couldn't
do it. I'm in my living room. I know I'm
in my living room. I feel the carboner on my feet,
but I couldn't force myself to do it. I have
since done it, and it's still you know, God, the
mind is a very fascinating thing the way it just
has to It has the ability to.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Just convince you something is real, even if you know
it's not.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
You have to push against your instincts there, and there's
a very good reason that your mind will say no,
that is one hundred foot drop and you're like, no,
I'm in my living room. They're like yeah, but just
in case we're trying to stay alive here you guys.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Oh man, I'm so sorry. I don't want to interject
another tangent here. In the news recently, there was a
murder case that had to do with something I'd never
heard of before. Cannabis induced psychosis.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Oh you that the other day?
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Yeah, marijuana madness.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, but it was used in a case, and the
woman who was accused of stabbing your boyfriend a hundred
times got probation for that because she smoked weed and
was experiencing this thing. We got to talk about that
at some point she.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Got she got found successful of having an amazing lawyer.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
It's in the library. Yeah, it's trigger, it's not.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
It's not as for anybody you got to have pre
existing like right, trigger schizophrenia essentially.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But it's just stuff that's happening in that closed room, right,
And we're just like, what, Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
It's happening in the mind. And then uh, let's go
back to this because I do want to for anybody
who's interested in pursuing EVAP, I think it'll be helpful
to get a sense of how people apply rigor to this,
to this search. So we talked at length about the
idea of trying to reduce subconscious movements of hands or
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movement of air. George continues. We would always pair off
so that there were at least two sets of eyes
and ears for any session. If we heard sounds, we
would identify them allowed for the recorder. The process was
to ask a question, wait a few minutes, then ask
another question. This was because ostensibly it could take time
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for responses to occur. We'd also keep recordings to This
is interesting. This is kind of counterintuitive to me. They
said we would keep recordings down to ten to fifteen
minutes or so, largely because reviewing the data takes about
as long as it takes to record it in the
first place. So they're not I don't know what you
guys think, but I I guess I had just lazily imagined.
(43:40):
I haven't done EVP research, but I had just lazily
imagined that you would set a recorder in an empty
room overnight or something like that, and then try to party.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That you did. Matt, wasn't it in your old house?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
No, I actually kept it over night. I completely agree
with this part, because you do. Again, if you're reviewing
a piece of tape and it's say ten minutes right,
you're listening back to that tape after you've recorded it
in real time, trying to notice if there's anything maybe
then enhancing it, turning up the gain or something. Listening
back to that full ten minutes again making a change
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the way with audio is being filtered to enhance something else.
Listening back to that ten minutes, it could take forever.
I think that's probably a smart move.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense, especially considering like how deep
you want to go into analysis, You're going to spend
a lot a lot of time with those minutes. And
then adds this that I definitely appreciate this point. We
acted and spoke in a respectful manner at all times,
so for example, we would not actively enrage a ghost
just to get a response out of them. And what
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I'm doing, my friend, that makes you so much better
than so many of those ghost hunting shows where they're like,
come on, broh, come on, if you're here, hit a cabinet. Brouh.
I'm tho scared.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, I feel like that's the only way to go.
You just you've got to get in their grill, you know.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I feel like that establishes living People don't want to
hang out with you. Much of.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
This is why you have no friends and have a
failing ghost hunting show.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Oh boy on, oh gosh. Yeah uh, but you know,
it's a it's a tough gig. And in their defense,
the producers have a lot to do with how people
are portrayed in reality shows, So we don't know oh,
no question. We don't know how they're getting set up.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
Sorry, Zach, we act yeah, you know, funny story, not
to derail really quickly.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Just Paul will know about this. He and I worked
on a.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
Pilot or a sizzle for a reality show, uh with
the unfortunate name of the Underground Runway. It was about
like some Buckhead, which is like a kind of suburb
here in Atlanta, of like fancy moms that we're looking
to set up a side business of a of a
clothing line in their basement.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Underground Runway.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
You didn't really vet that one through, but man, we
saw some stuff where the producer was just.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Feeding lines to you know, the talent quote unquote. It
was nothing, was real. It was all manufacturer Silverado.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
Remember that poll, He says, ha ha, yep. It's also
I remember hearing this story too. There's also a good
point that our pal raises in the CVP letter. George says,
we were doing this because we wanted to collect data
in as uniform and scientifical way as we could. While
we did try to adhere to our rules, I don't
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think we could call any of our data scientific, nor
do I think that any ghost hunter can shots fired. George,
consider that scientific data has criteria requires controlled experimental circumstances,
minimizing variables. Then consider how difficult it is to create
tests with regular humans. Then add in the fact that
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ghost hunters are attempting to generate responses from what amounts
to invisible humans, so they don't know if the humans
are there to test. And this is where he introduces
a phrase. I think it's cool word of the day
Portmanteau anec data like anecdote, but data. I hope. I
wish you could see the faces there, George. I think
(47:10):
we're all in love with this term. He says with
ghost hunting, annec data gives us the preponderance of evidence
we need to know in order to decide whether something
is worth pursuing. So I think that's a very fair
and even minded way to go about it. And I
don't know, guys, should we have done that ghost hunting
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show years back?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Which one? Yeah, that's a that's a good question. We
would get these We would get these questions from different
companies and they would say, hey, you guys want to
do a ghost hunting show with us?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
The show we should have done was called Silverado, that's
the one we should have done.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
That, that's what we should have done, and what the
malundon silver mines. Yep, yeah, all right, so we'll we'll
show this up here. We've got a couple of things
we'll just call letters from Home. In response to our
classic episode on Superpowers, this was Superpowers Part two. We
talked about ring finger mobility, and we got a lot
(48:13):
of people just flexen, literally flexing on us. So shout
out to Amir who says ring finger and mobility. I
wasn't aware this was something most people can't do, and
I don't think any of us can do it right
Where you move your ring finger independently? Oh you can
do it down, but can you do it up?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I can't do anything with it. Sorry, guys, really this
if I do my doing it, I do it. Never mind,
I'm doing it. Are I boarding on? Inappropriates pinky though?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Isn't it?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Oh ring finger? Sorry? Oh no, it's it's stuck. It's
frozen ring finger. Ring finger is completely immobile.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
We also we also hear from the part of my
pronunciation here the Wayne Garoa kid who says hello from
Wayne Garua o tioa iologized that spelling is a O
T E A R O A and says the following,
I have good finger control? Am I a superhero? And
this one also came attached with a picture of the
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person actually doing this, So there's evidence maybe we're behind
the curve, because everyone who wrote in about this ring
finger stuff seemed surprised that other people can't do it.
I guess it's like rolling your tongue or the taste
of cilantro right, one of those little genetic works we
all get.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I think so. I think so wing Grello, by the way,
is New Zealand, New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I can't do it with my other hand. I'm sorry.
I'm doing the.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Livelong progress, which is the blessing the coining when you
do it with both hands. And then we heard from
a lot of people recently on the Ai Harlan stuff
the family is suing really ye and shout out to
(49:59):
a frame who a framed, a long time contributor, fellow
conspiracy realist. And I think your recent correspondence kind of
sums up what a lot of people have told us
after hearing that story quote, I don't like Ai Carlin.
I first heard him when I was nine with my
dad and his seven words of words I used to
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help with my chronic stutter. His content means a lot
to me. I'm glad you guys don't like Ai Carlin too, agreed.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
Bro, I cutely agree.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
There there was a sort of a little tone death
as a bit of satire.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
You know, we missed a part of that that we
should have discussed, guys, And I didn't hear it until after,
and I was more curious. But Ben, you said you'd
listened to the whole thing, and I was like, oh man,
maybe I need to listen to this thing. There's a
section in there where Ai Carlin says, in the future,
it will just be us. It will be the AI
versions of all your favorite comedians and actors, and they're
(50:57):
going to replace all the newscasters, cause who's better at
telling you what's going on than comedians. And he's like,
there will be twenty four hour, three hundred and sixty
five day year feeds of comedians talking about current events,
what's happening, and doing it through the specific lens and
(51:17):
just basically Ai Carlin paints a picture of proliferation and
kind of a dystopia, but also an interesting concept.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Yeah, but I don't think I remember that, and it
is it is interesting. It is, to be honest, it
is the kind of thing Carlin would plausibly bring up
very alive to do us at. This is true.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
If that happened, guys, we would always know what Ja
Rule is thinking.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Thank God about ghost kitchens. I tried to. I texted him,
He's like, I can't talk. I'm doing EVP stuff.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yes, definably knows where he was.
Speaker 5 (51:51):
I just want to add to I've been seeing lately
on various Instagram accounts and such that I follow these
very riskque AI renderings of Taylor Swift kind of like
almost in the style of key art for like Grand
Theft Auto games, as like a sex worker kind of
you know, exotic dancer kind of situation, like wearing you know,
(52:14):
g strings and fish nets and being fondled and stuff,
pretty pretty raunchy stuff. I immediately was like, this is odd,
and I showed it to my girlfriend, who immediately.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Said, Taylor's not gonna like that.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
And sure enough, the very next day, maybe even the
same day, it was saying Taylor Swift pursuing legal action
against creators of these AI renderings of.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Her gonna be tough to do it because it's just
a creepy escalation of those those dudes who would photoshop
celebrities faces and stuff.
Speaker 5 (52:51):
And these are very stylized. No one is looking at
this and believing that that is Taylor Swift. They basically
look like cartoons, like, you know, like kind of photo
realistic hyperstyle. I really think the grand theft auto key
art is a decent analogy, but I do wonder if
she does find traction, that will certainly set a precedent,
as she is one of the most visible, powerful and
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wealthy women or people in general in entertainment, So a
lot of potential there for what could set some presidents.
But honestly, don't think that she's going to be able to,
you know, prevent people, for she's a public figure.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Well, it is kind of like fan art too, right
in a.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Way technically, and also the law is there. The law
is a very tough time with this. The legislation hasn't
caught up with the innovation here yet and may not
because it's decentralized. I want to emphasize that thing I
mentioned earlier. If it's not familiar to anybody. The Streissand
effect very real on the Internet that is named after
I think Barbara Streisand had some unflattering picture. Oh no,
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it's a photo of her house that she didn't want
out there, and she said, hey, Internet, don't put that anywhere.
And so the Internet, being decentralized and full of smart
alex put it everywhere. So it's unfortunately sometimes it's throwing
gas on the fire you mean to extinguish. And I
think that's worth exploring all of this and more in
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We always say you are the most important part of
the show. When we say that, because it's true and
we love hearing from you, which is why every week
we like to take a break. We like to share
your reports from your fellow conspiracy realists. We got a
lot of react to our episode on ghost kitchens, which
(01:03):
was pretty fun. We're going to get some reactions to
our EVP episode. We're gonna get We're gonna have some
letters from home shout outs at the end, and before
we do any of that, there is a letter that
I think stood out to all of us about something
strange occurring in Utah.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Yeah, something rotten in Utah. Well, maybe not rotten, but
a little unusual. Let's just say I'm gonna jump right
into us. This is an email that came to us
from Mama Dino, seemingly quite shrewd listener. Some very fun
caveats here in this email starting off longtime listener and
most of the time I like you guys most.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Of the time.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Well, these are, by the way, my favorite parts of
this letter.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Well, figot, I was wondering if you guys have heard
of all the carbon monoxide poisonings happening in southern Utah
this last month. I first started hearing about them when
my cousin, who lives in Severe maybe Severe I think
it's spelled Severe County, his heater went out, which you
would think is normal every once in a while. But
just a week later, a Latter Day Saints church building
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in Monroe poisoned nearly fifty people from their faulty heating system.
Monroe is a small town, so surrounding cities and counties
had to send out multiple ambulances to transfer all patients
to the hospitals, and then they provided a link. This
is true such a small town or area that they
didn't have enough ambulances in their own Cash of emergency responders,
(02:33):
so they had to know outsources from surrounding counties. I
live in Cedar City, which is one and a half
hours away from Monroe. My husband is a police officer
with Cedar CITYPDS, so I hear a lot about what
goes on. He says that he has gone to more
carbon monoxide calls than usual, and we are only in January.
Then on Friday, the nineteenth of this year, Canyonview Middle
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School had to be evacuated for carbon monoxide poisoning. This
is the text that was sent out from the school district.
And I don't know about you, Matt, but I get
these from my kids' school all the time. Like the
formatting of them is very familiar. ISCD Alert parents, guardians,
and staff. We understand your concerns about the carbon monoxide contamination.
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The building has been monitored and cleared multiple times by
the Cedar City Fire Department and Dominion Energy. Kind of
a sinister name for an energy company.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
If you have you tell has got a lot of
companies with sinister names.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Clear it would seem so yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
A cause has not been identified today Sunday, January twenty first,
a National Guard has met team has been called in
jeez and is currently thoroughly testing the building. We will
communicate more information to you this afternoon once that investigation
is complete. Update just stated that the middle school will
be remote for Monday and Tuesday. Still waiting to see
(03:51):
what they do next. I just feel like this is
a lot of coincidences of carbon monoxide poisonings so close
together within different cities. Thanks for the podcast that keeps
me saying is a stay at home mom, and sometimes
y'all help me fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Sincerely, Mama Diina.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Sometimes it's great to hear from you too, Mama de
They really I'm just kidding. Thank you so much for
writing to us. You're onto something I.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Think, well, yeah, you know, and it does sound I
think maybe too. When you're dealing with sort of isolated
parts of the country like this and smaller parts of
the country where a religion or a way of life
perhaps you know that is unfamiliar to too many, perhaps
you know is very dominant, You know that the Latter
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Day Saints, and then you hear about things like this happening,
your mind goes.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
To conspiratorial places pretty.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Quickly, as though this is some sort of I don't know,
backlash or perhaps there's someone that has a beef against
the church, you know, or against members of the community perhaps,
Like we obviously have no details tying any of these
occurrences together. And you could also just chalk up to
downright poverty, you know, or lower income perhaps in some
(05:05):
of these areas where people can't afford to maintain their
heating systems, or there are things that go undone because
of lack of funds. And I'm just conjecturing here. I
am not sure saying that this is a necessarily a
poverty stricken part of the country. I'm just saying it
could be part of the reasoning. And I'm wondering what
you guys think.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, I'm looking at that NBC News article discussing the
church where fifty four people were there at the church
and they had to you know, get help or whatever
for carbon monoxide poisoning. The official, i guess blame falls
on a heating system. Same with the school, and so
you know, everybody uses them. We talked about that couple
(05:45):
that died pretty recently, but that was that wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
There was no carbon monoxide.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It wasn't about carbon monoxide. It was about just the
heating system.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Without having the governor or regulatory safety measures working exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
The thermostat was busted, and it basically just like didn't
know how hot.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It was getting.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I do think when it gets into cold temperatures and
these systems are working over time, there is a higher
chance to have a problem right or a small leap.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Absolutely, I'm sorry I should have mentioned that firstly, and
that maybe you know that combined with perhaps lack of maintenance,
could account for such a pattern.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I think inclement weather and lack of maintenance are are
our most plausible culprits at this point, just because that
makes the most sense. You know, we know that lack
of maintenance is what has led to the lack of
maintenance regulation led to stuff going wrong Boeing, it wasn't act.
(06:42):
It wasn't you know, a nefarious, purposeful conspiracy. And it's
also very easy to miss that kind of maintenance because
those sorts of systems in general are ones that people
don't like to think about a lot until they break well, yeah,
you know, like people who own cars but don't like cars.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, And it could be tremendously expensive to keep that
stuff up, and especially if you've got other bills that
you need to worry about. It's probably not a priority.
Oh it's working. I'm not going to think about my
heating system because it's working right now.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Because I have other more immediate problems. And also, you know,
shout out to we have a lot of the LDS
conspiracy realist in the crowd. We have a lot of
listeners from Utah. Some of our friends and colleagues live
in Utah. Shout out to the Casual Preppers podcast. Interesting
to see, Oh I missed. Yeah, Oh they're great guys.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Well, I see what you can.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Will hang out with them later, I'm sure, I hope.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So, so this is a thing that I'm imagining, especially
right now. If you're looking around, you are seeing a
lot of stories about it. Paul Mission Control Decad just
wrote in our chat just a few days ago there's
an apartment building near him that had to get evacuated
because of a report of carbon monoxide leak of some
sort of game.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
So it may not be just a Utah thing.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Nice, It's a cold snap all around the damn country
right now.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I mean people are dying.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Downtown Atlanta high Rise had to be evacuated last week.
A Texas bakery there were several people who were hospitalized.
At Yale University, fourteen people were hospitalized last week due
to all due to carbon monoxide poisoning.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Literally, all you have to do is search for carbon
monoxide poisoning and not also type utah.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yeah, it's a very good point, and I'm sorry this
is not carbon monoxide related, but it just relates to
how brutally cold things have been, you know, of late
in Edwardsville, Illinois, the first Baptist church in Edwardsville is
being fined seven hundred fifty dollars a day for sheltering
the homeless or the unhoused from the bitter, bitter cold
that we as we know can actually kill people.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
There's that other story, Matt about the folks that froze
to death outside that house party, you know. Yeah, And
it seems that this Edwardsville situation and is due to
the fact that the church did not apply for the
proper permit, which just seems cruel and unusual to me.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But again, not carbon monoxi.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Early.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I'm just showing how crazy the temperatures have been lately.
It's almost as though the climate is changing.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
There's another very similar case in Ohio, where an Ohio
pastor has been charged for sheltering homeless people in this
terrible weather, and that that goes to zoning laws. And
if you go into the forums just reporting on those
two incidents, or definitely in the Ohio one, which I'm
(09:34):
more familiar with, then you'll see you'll see accusations that
are unfortunately not uncommon in small towns, arguing that the pastor,
Chris of El got on the wrong side of a
relationship with local law enforcement, and so that they're pushing
unnecessarily for something what's it called malicious compliance of some sort.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's pretty harmless.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I don't think you should criminalize being unhoused, and that's
something that parts of the US seem to be trending toward.
But then again, if you house somebody and you don't
have the maintenance on your heating system, they get carbon
monoxide and then you're at fault for that's.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
A good yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I mean, you know, there's a liability to consider, but still,
you know, at the end of the day, we should
be able to help our struggling members of our communities.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I was thinking about that the other day. Goes. I
didn't know about the San Diego flooding until like a
video popped up in my Instagram.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I learned nothing about it. Guys.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, it's it was pretty historic. It was intense. It's insane,
and I maybe I'm completely wrong here, but I'm reading
that it has a lot to do with an infrastructure problem.
Like a lot of the cities that end up experiencing
catastrophic flooding, it's just stuff wasn't quite up to snuff
and what it needed to be to protect, you know,
portions of the city that are closest to the ocean
(10:54):
or to a river from flooding. It's terrifying really.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
It's also in that case they had a a lot
of those things have like a window of tolerance or
a margin of error, and from my understanding, things really
went wrong when they were hit with repeated storms consecutively.
I think it was three, which is it's tough to
plan for that.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
But it just made me think of on house people, right,
and like, what do you do when the city where
you live outside in it just begins flooding in that manner,
it's terrifying.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
One good thing we can say, and Mo Anddino, perhaps
you will agree with this. One good thing we can
say is that access to information allows people to be
more aware of stories that would normally or quite possibly
not be reported outside of their local community. So it
does enable us to have a better high level picture
(11:55):
of these patterns being described, like CO two poisoning across
the US, like the little war on the unhoused. And
he said it already. Old people don't always like when
we mentioned it. But it's real climate change, exaggerating, exaggerating
weather patterns escalating. I should say, I don't know if
(12:17):
this hit you guys part of town here in our
fair metropolis of Atlanta. But I was out on one
of my porches, just writing some stuff, and it was
a warm day, right, kind of overcast, but the weather
seemed nice. And then, as if a heavenly switch was flipped,
the sky opened up and there was a deluge. Yesterday, Yeah, yesterday.
(12:40):
Nola and I live relatively close to one another, so
usually we're affected by similar weather patterns. I'm just interested
if it hit you guys too, Yeah, I did, for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I mean, I've got to get rid of this thing.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I've got to couch in my back driveway that is
sitting in about three inches of water. There's a bit
of a depression kind of area in my driveway. But
it's also a bit like seventy two seventy three degrees
lately going down from you know, brutal cold, and I'm
sure we've got more cold snaps ahead of us, but
it's just really unpredictable and kinda just a little bit unsettling,
(13:14):
wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And Ben, I drove through that storm. Everything seemed fine
and just to overcast, and then I'm heading towards the
city and holy mackerel, it was some of the creepiest
lightning that I've experienced.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Amazing photographs, Guys.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Isn't it crazy when you're on the highway or something
and you can literally see the line of demarcation a
lotther like sheet of weather. Change begins and it's like
you're going into a portal. Man, It's It's wild.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
One of my favorite parts of the Great American interior,
especially when you get in that really flat land, you know,
Kansas and Brass kind of country and you can see
you can see the rain happening. But when that switch
flipped again, just mine in my own business, I was like,
this is warm outside, you know, it's overcast, so the
sun's not going to get to me. I'll just I'll
(14:03):
just write some stuff. And then I hear thunder and
then in the distance, ten minutes later, I hear like
thunder a little bit closer, and right after that thunder boom,
the bottom drops out. It was as if the sky
tried to try to sneak out a fart, And yeah,
(14:24):
it just we've all played that game, folks.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Danger always win.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
But like, what can be done though, in terms of
this this maintenance thing, Unfortunately the burden is on the consumer,
it seems, right, And if you cannot if you're a
private household or a private property, and you're not beholden
to the rules of a public space or a business,
then there's not really anyone enforcing maintenance on your systems, right.
(14:54):
I don't know if that's the answer. I don't know
if there should be. I don't know. I navigate that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It's just a weird thing, especially in apartment complexes where
if like in your unit, there's often a locked door
that has like the heating or the water heater, you know,
some system that you can't get to that only maintenance
is allowed to come into and mess with. But if
you've got one of those locked doors. I would highly
recommend you go on whateverever you order things online or
(15:23):
head to your home depot and get like a twenty
dollars carbon monoxide little thing you plug into the wall.
It's a detector. It's twenty bucks. You put it near
wherever that system is, just in case, because often apartment
complex will have some kind of built in systems for
fire and carbon monoxide. But dang, I don't know. I
guess I have trust issues, but.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Everybody should have trust issues. While you're at your local
home supply store, get a fire extinguisher or like, already
have one. Yeah, keep that thing on you. It's good
to have their fun.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I just got one for by my bed, like literally,
just in case. I don't know. I had this dream
about waking up in a fire in my house while
my son is here and my only fire extinguisher is
being pretty far away from me, and then like the
panic of that moment plus trying to get my son
and I to safety, plus being able to put a
fire out, and I was like, you're gonna sit right
(16:21):
here from now on, pal.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Be more paranoid. Get one in your car too, Yeah,
you should have your car.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
That's that's been one O one right.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yourself, just for like other people.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, also true.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Wouldn't you need a specialized one that would be more
for vehicle fires or oil fires or something or maybe
not something?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, I mean something's better than nothing. But yeah, get
one of the little Get one of the little guys,
you know what I mean, not like the final form
industrial oxygen cylinder looking thing from a hospital.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
But just one of the little small ones.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
But it's just the same stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
It's the same halon. You can get like a three
pack for two hundred and twenty dollars.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
On the internet.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
You guys want to go in on it, absolutely, it's reasonable.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Can't put a price on personal safety.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
We're very fun at parties for sure.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Well, thank you Mamadino for this this tip, and I
think I feel pretty confident we're barking up the right
tree as to you know, this is really just kind
of more of a weather thing than it is some
sort of plot against the Latter Day Saints. But let's
take a quick break a hero Worth Moore sponsor and
then come back with some more listener mail.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We're back drinking a cucumber lime Celsius, and I still
I can't decide how I feel about cucumber drinks.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
It's okay, it's it's a choice.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
It's a freshness too, you know what, It's good like
aqua fresca. Have you ever been to a really good
Mexican place a little bit of cucumber in with like
an aqua fresca, lime aid or something.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It can really be nice, all.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Right, it's adding something different to it. But I don't
know that I like.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I don't like eating a cucumber, but I do like
a cucumber vibe every now and again.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You know who hates cucumbers?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Cats?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Yeah, oh, I take it back to One great use
of cucumber is to make setsky sauce. You know, you
scoop out the guts and squeeze out the water, and
a bunch of garlic and yogurt.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Boys, and a cucumber is involved somehow.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Cucumber Okay, I know, you squeeze out the you basically
scoop out the seeds, You peel it, and then you
grate it and that gives the satsiki this really nice
fresh kind of vibe, super good great food.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And thus concludes the cucumber section of this listener mail episodes.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Sorry, everybody stop writing about take some cucumbers from the day, guys.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
If you want if you want advice for good cucumber
uh cucumber adjacent recipes, just write to us. I gotcha.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Also not sponsored by Celsius, but we would so be
into that. Here we go. We've got several messages, guys
of people with personal experience with ghost kitchens. So let's
start out by hearing from Blake.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Hey, guys, this is Blake Move. You guys were just
putting out a call for people that work for delivery acts,
and I worked for Postmates in the past. I worked
for a Lift for quite a while, but now currently
for fun, I do door dash on the side. And
you guys were talking about ghost kitchens. I hate them
because you show up it's Biscuits Cafe and you're picking
(19:35):
up for some other restaurant and you have no like.
It's awful because most of them won't have a sticker
saying oh this is Brito Town. Also here you'll just
google the address and it comes up as another restaurant.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
I hate it.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
I'm a really fast driver. I'm a fast delivery guy.
But I just hate having to stop and like google
something and figure it out. But yeah, a lot of
places do that. Anyway, I'm at work, I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Here's Blake with a report. Gotta go. That was awesome, Blake,
thank you so much for giving us that information. I
love biscuits cafe. Is that a thing I want to
eat at biscuits cafe.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Biscuits is just a great word to put in the
title of any restaurant, you know, because it's so evocative
of the smell and the texture and the taste. I also,
I feel like we do have a delivery app episode
on the way. We've been hearing some great stuff from
our fellow listeners and got to tell you, man, you
are not the first person who said I don't care
(20:39):
for ghost kitchens because they can also be real. Apparently
some of them can be very difficult to find.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
They're not necessarily always made for pickup drivers from delivery apps.
Like the parking can be tough, and then the clock
is always counting against you when you're when you're working
in those professions.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Oh, very true. I was gonna shout out this company
and my friend I went to high school and his
name's Nick. He makes biscuits in New York City. I
cannot remember the name of it. Sorry, Nick, if you're
out there listening, I haven't spoken with him in years.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
He used to date my sister.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Oh, I remember this story. Also, I have a pitch
for you, Matt. What if we just as Since we
don't remember the name of his place right now, why
don't we just gift him with a nickname. Let's call
Nicky biscuits.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Oh that's a good.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Okay, that's it. That's it.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Why do they call them nicky biscuits? You pray you
never learned the answer.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But hey, let's get those stickers up on those ghost kitchens. Everybody.
If you're a proprietor of a kitchen that is also
a ghost, put up a sticker. Hey, so let's go
to our next person here. Grumpy Texan has had a
little experience here that I think will shock all of us.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
I guess Grumpy Texan here been listening for a little while.
First time caller anyway, Yeah, I was listening to all
the show on the ghost kitchens, and funny enough, that
same exact situation happened to my colleague while we were
working in New York pretty much the same name. He said,
past Walls is who he ordered from, except the differences.
(22:23):
His pizza actually came in a Chuck E Cheese box.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
We were two Texan guys that were working in New
York City staying in the Bronx, and we wanted some
genuine pizza and that's what he got. So anyway, thanks
love the show, guys, but he.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Got Charles entertained for sure, chocolate chips on the Chuck
E cheese plate.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
You guys, but.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It's just horrible. I know. I know that feeling like
the first couple of times I traveled to New York
and it's like, man, I need to find some pizza.
I keep hearing about this pizza and then you'd go
to a raise and it's not the right one and
you're just like, oh, that was kind of subpar.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yeah, I got to tell you, man, New York has
such an amazing food culture. I've always felt like, if
you are just looking for good, regular, non fancy pizza,
go to the place it looks like a money laundry operation,
you know what I mean, Because and sure, I mean,
maybe don't open with that when you talk with them,
(23:20):
but just like be in the know about that and
be aware that you should probably have cash. And yeah,
there is that bait and switch though, especially because so
many people are using for convenience or sometimes for necessity,
are using delivery apps, and what you're typically looking for
(23:41):
in those apps, especially if you're in a new city
or a city in which you don't live, then you're
looking for the kind of food you want more often
than you're looking for a specific restaurant by name, right,
so exactly, so then you you say, Okay, this pizza
looks good or based on the pictures from this place
(24:03):
I've never heard of, right, and they capitalized. And I'm
really happy we did the Ghost Kitchens episode. I think
we were fair about it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Oh, I think so too. Mission Control. We're gonna keep
shouting you out this episode. He brought up a place
that he recently ordered from somewhere in New York City
called Wonder Wonder. It's a really interesting concept to me.
It feels like it's exactly what we described in the
(24:32):
Cloud Kitchen ghost Kitchen thing, where it appears to be
brick and mortar stores that are maybe one huge kitchen
and if you order from here from this one location,
when there are a bunch of locations actually, so a
bunch of these all over the place. You can get
food from like a dozen different seemingly high end restaurants
(24:53):
that's all cooked there in that one place.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
But like they're really leaning into it and presenting it
as a feature not a bug, you know, whereas some
of the I think the weirdness in our reporting on
the ghost kitchen phenomenon is folks being a little bit
shady about it, you know, as in the case with
this pizza box from you know, Chuck E Cheese. But like,
I think it's smart if done correctly. But Paul did
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point out he felt that the food was good. Weirdly, though,
two of the franchises that are contained within this wonder
that Paul went to are two Atlanta based companies, which
I did not know that either of these existed in
New York. Ones called Fred's Meat and Bread, which is
really really good like Phillies and Burghers, and the other
one is Chaipani, which is kind of up plussed up
(25:38):
Indian food.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
But Paul said it was good.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
But the idea, though I believe, is that it's one
cook you know, or a group of cooks doing all
the food for all the places. So there could be consistencies,
you know, if you're having to know two large of
a menu. But there are certain types of restaurants that
would be more suited for this type of treatment, places
that don't have mass of menus.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Sure right, yeah, so it could be done well. It
could be done well.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And we're not vilifying these things at all. We just
we believe that people should be to the point about deception.
We believe that transparency is key with this kind of stuff.
And these are hard working chefs, they are making good food.
It is, as we spend so much time exploring in
that episode, restaurants are an incredibly tough business. It is cutthroat,
(26:26):
is brutal. But also, you know, one thing we didn't
mention is something that I imagine common in many Western
cities is the pop up kitchen. Right. That's kind of
like a ghost kitchen, because you have a brand that
goes to a restaurant that may not They may just
want to give somebody a chance right to pitch their stuff,
(26:47):
and so you'll go to your typical whatever the You'll
go to your typical nikky biscuits and then you'll find
that tonight instead of their usual dinner menu, there's the
two hands pop up, and that is not seen as
misleading or anything, because again people are being transparent about
(27:07):
it and it's a cool way to try new things.
But but yeah, I I I don't know, man. I
think ghost kitchens are gonna continue. I think they're gonna
I think this trend is gonna escalate. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yes, I mean this feels like the future to me.
I guys, I made a terrible mistake. Oh no, my
friend Nick does not make biscuits in New York. He
makes them in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Okay, Nicky biscuits still holds, I think.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
So, hey, man, better than ever, dude, no harm, no
foul and other expressions.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, you could look him up. His name's Nick Westbrook.
Amazing actor. Again, I haven't talked to him a long time.
Hopefully he's still an awesome person because he was when
I knew him. All Right, there, he goes, sorry that. Hey,
we've got one more message you guys. Yeah, this is
from I'm gonna call him Fi guy, pretty fly for
a FI guy. Here we go and play.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Hi, I'm a public health inspector in Canada, and I've
just been listening to your episode on ghost kitchens, and
I think you're assuming, well, it seems that you're assuming
that a lot of the ghost kitchens out there are
inspected and that we even know about them, And in
a lot of cases we don't. These places will pop up,
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they'll have four or five kitchens running out of them,
and we won't know until an inspector goes out and
takes a look at an area, finds one of these
restaurants and sees that suddenly, this pizza place has a
bunch of Mister Best Burger boxes in it. So now
you've got a person that works in a pizza place
cooking your burger. And that's the best case scenario that
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we catch them. It could be just a garage out
in the middle of nowhere, a food truck parked in
the field. God knows what they've got for equipment, God
knows what they've got for training. Did I know how
to cook a burger?
Speaker 8 (28:56):
You know?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Are they cooking it wrong? I don't know. I know
in the States you can buy a raw burger, can't
do it here in Canada. I think you need to
talk to someone in the health field and find out
what kind of conditions a lot of these places operate in.
Set that backing up rat's roads, improper cooking techniques, not
available refrigerators, It's it's a mess. Ghost kitchens are a
(29:21):
nightmare for us. We've had an application here someone who
wants to operate with twelve places operating out of a
place besides just a small garage. So love the show.
I can't wait to hear what more you're going to
do our best?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Thanks, ooh ooh, dog with a ball, Matt, you got
to me, sir, I think we I think that is
an excellent point.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
We got.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
We got to dive in. I didn't know it was
so easy, but I guess you could do it pretty
off the book, so huh.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, oh, I guess you can. What he described, though,
sounded a lot like Wonder a very small location in
New York City, because we know that space is at
a very very much a pre They're in New York
City and all boroughs and all the places, and they
are They've got a ton of locations that Wonder place,
and they're running of at least a dozen kitchens out
(30:09):
of there. So I mean it sounds like something that
would potentially be above board in the United States. At
least it changes things when you got a whole different,
you know, set of regulations you're working on in Canada
and in other countries. So we need to go international
with this thing.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I'm in okay, so Papua New Guinea in Canada, and
then I get and then I guess we'll add a
third for rule of three. But but that is that
is disturbing too, because just thinking through this, you guys,
all right, you position a ghost kitchen. So your main
your main platforms of business are going to be delivery apps.
(30:47):
Delivery apps, do they require documentation of like health code
and then you know your score like here in the
UNIP so I don't know how it works in Canada,
but you know here in the US, any restaurant you
go to is supposed to have their little worksheet with
their health score displayed somewhere, and that's always fun to
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read while you're waiting for the takeout.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Do you guys have a minimum score like that will
cause you to not walk out if you see it.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I'm like eighty five. Eighty five is okay?
Speaker 5 (31:20):
That seems I know, maybe that seems like I got
real low standards.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
But you got to you got to read the thing.
If you read the thing, they didn't tell you why. Yeah,
like they get a perfect score. Oh but they also
have rats and you go, well bye.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Man.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
If you know anything from watching like Kitchen Nightmare type shows, Uh,
oftentimes people will get a bad score because of something
silly that they're just missed, that wasn't necessarily an egregious
you know, oversight or systematic problem. And then oftentimes they
will fix it even if you know, sometimes it don't
even make the news, like beloved restaurant fails health inspection,
(31:56):
and then.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
They can make it right. Or might it's a really
good point then.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yeah, agreed, Or it could be it could be a
problem that is beyond their control, like it's something under
the onus of the owner of the building and they're
leasing the space. That can happen. But then also to
answer question, I'm not going to name names, but there's
a for a long time there's been a couple pretty
famous restaurants in an area of our town called Buford Highway,
(32:22):
and they're legit and they're amazing. And there's one that
I went to regularly even when the score was eighty three.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh no, okay, me too.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, I stand by eighty five.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I would, you know, if it was a place I loved,
I would, I would go as low as eighty three.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, one of my favorite Bangladeshi restaurants that's out there,
and it's not the one maybe we're all thinking about
the one that shut down that was my favorite.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
It's not Panahr. It was so good, it was so good.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Josh Clark, I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry we even brought
it up. If you hear this in the ether somehow
on the streets, bro. But there's another one there that
is still one of It's one of my favorite places
to get food from, and it regularly has a low score.
I watched staff members come out into the dining room
area and shuck eggs. Just watched them doing it out there.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, I think one shucks corn.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Eggs.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
These are special.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Cigarette dangling in the staying wife guys.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Sometimes that's a badge of honor, sign of quality, you know,
greasy spoon, you know that kind of.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I am a friend of Chinatown's across the country.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah, if I if, I especially if I see and
this is such profiling. If I see an older dude
who is clearly over it and looks like kind of
bored with whatever he's doing, and the apron or like
the clothing is kind of dirty and stained, I feel
like it's legit. I'm like, you know what, but forget
(34:00):
a menu. I'm gonna ask the guy what I should have.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Man, this cigarette dangling an inch of ash niggers, you know,
falls into the ragou.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
You know, seasoning there it is.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I also feel like we should mention first, Yes, we
need to look at the health code stuff in future episode.
But I agree with the point about reading reading the
details of the health inspection report because it's possible that
someplace has a high score. But then, like you said,
they have something egregious. You know, it's like two unidentified
(34:33):
feet in the two unidentified severed feet in walking cooler?
Ninety three?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Can you get a ninety three with that kind of offense?
Speaker 5 (34:42):
You didn't see the thing that was some meme maybe
it was on Reddit or four chan, but some like
subway employee uh took a picture of them standing in
like one of those two pan things of lettuce, and
I was like, this is the lettuce you're eating?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
A movie.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
It was Burger King, but you know the the eagle
eyed Internet swarm immediately identified exactly which Burger King this
was and got the guy promptly fired.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh, no good, no.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Good at all.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well that's all today on Ghost Kitchens. Thank you, Blake,
Grumpy Texan and public Health inspector Guy. We will be
right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
And we have returned. This one is going to be
a bit of a round up, folks, a bit of
a compilation at the end, because there's a lot of
cool things we want to get to and as always,
it's a wonderful problem to have. We can't get to everyone,
so we're just going to have to keep doing this show,
which is awesome. First, Matt, you brought this to my mind.
(35:49):
We want to thank our pals Josh and Chuck. A
little while back, Josh reached out to me and said
he was working started asking me questions about Esperanto. For
anybody who knows Josh, one of the cool things is,
like many of us, how stuff works. People will just
sort of, well, we'll just come to each other and
(36:10):
then maybe not with a lot of context, start asking
really specific questions of scientific stuff or scientific nature anyway,
So shout out Josh and Chuck. They just did a
banger of an episode on how Esperanto works for all
the word nerds out there, and they gave us some
nice shout outs. So appreciate you, guys, and good luck
(36:30):
to everybody who is learning esperanto. Just figure would we
would say that? And also aren't they on tour again
right now?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Maybe they should be.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
They always are doing little one off things here and there.
Great thing to catch if they come to your town.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yes, yeah, good, good thing to catch when they come
through your town. Perfectly said. We have another another letter
I want to read in part from someone responding to
our episode on electronic voice phenomenon ghost in the Machine.
This is from George, who says, who talks about some
(37:05):
of the stuff that they learned in the course of
ghost hunting and investigations. Also, thank you to everybody who
wrote in about ghost hunting and your experience with it.
He says, the following one group had rules around collecting
audio recordings. I don't recall all of them, but these
came to mind, and this I think hits directly on
our conversation about methodology right in the science of this,
(37:28):
so first quote, we would make sure to dangle our
recorders from our wrist with straps and not move around
while recording. This would ensure we weren't introducing sounds with
subconscious movements of our hands or creating sounds with movement
of air. So it's kind of similar to like the
wich aboard argument, right it is.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I would just say they make these things called tripods
that you can attach equipment. Sorry, just me, in my mind,
dangling from a risk is precarious, that's all.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Can I just give a little shout out to a
product that I believe made its debut on one of
those shark tank type shows and I was hooked into
it by an Instagram ad. And it's a very flexible tripod.
I think it's called like the squid or something like that.
It's a very flexible tripod that has like little suction
cups on it and you can stick it to a wall,
(38:22):
stick it anywhere, or wrap the little leggies around different
you know things to mount it in different ways, and
it's really really really cool. It's called tentacle, that's what
it's called.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Sorry. Also eldritche Vibes.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yes and the job Gorilla pod that we like to
use in video production.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
For very similar to that. It has suction cups, you guys,
suction cups.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
And so there's another slight issue which I think we're
all aware of here, which is if you've ever done
the pendulum experiment, it's a great way to see how unconscious,
small muscle movement can be altered by your thought alone.
The experiment is very simple. You can play along at home.
You hold some weighted object by a string, something pendulum esque,
(39:05):
and then you as it's stankling, you start thinking about
it going up and down right like back and forth,
or moving in a circle, and as you think about
what path you want it to take, it will do
that because your hand is subconsciously moving.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
It really is interesting too, the idea of think about
this as hard as you can, and like, you know,
you could maybe make the jump that you're moving it
with your mind, but you kind of are, because your
mind is sending signals to your hand that you're not
even aware of that are causing it to change direction,
but you're not exactly sending, you know, psychic beams into
(39:44):
the string.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Everybody has the power of mind over matter. In the
vast majority of proven cases. I'll go ahead and say
in all of the proven cases, it just turns out
the matter that your mind controls is your body.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Right, bro, Think about if you stand on one foot
and you're balancing on one foot, are you consciously telling
your body how to balance and like which micro movements
to make to maintain balance or.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Does the pro preception just kick in right? Like how
can you how can you close your eyes and touch
your nose without looking? It's pro preception, right, It's the
reason some people puke when they play games like Mirror's Edge.
Is that the one the park Woor game?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, the first person running across buildings.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, some people don't don't find VR comfortable either, Right,
And you guys put on the VR headsets and like
walked by, you know, a precipice or a cliff in
the game.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Matt introduced me to it one time when he came over.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
He used the first one that I knew that had
the newer edition of the Oculus Rift of the time.
And there's this game called Plant Game where it's like,
you know, graphics that are of the level of like
the Sims from the nineties, but you go up in
this elevator, and then the whole game is to walk
out on this plank and your mind just accepts what
is being presented because it is so immersive. And the
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first time I tried to do it, I literally couldn't
do it. I'm in my living room. I know I'm
in my living room. I feel the carboner on my feet,
but I couldn't force myself to do it. I have
since done it, and it's still you know, God, the
mind is a very fascinating thing the way it just
has to It has the ability to.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Just convince you something is real, even if you know
it's not.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
You have to push against your instincts there, and there's
a very good reason that your mind will say no,
that is one hundred foot drop and you're like, no,
I'm in my living room. They're like yeah, but just
in case we're trying to stay alive here you guys.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Oh man, I'm so sorry. I don't want to interject
another tangent here. In the news recently, there was a
murder case that had to do with something I'd never
heard of before. Cannabis induced psychosis.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Oh you that the other day?
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Yeah, marijuana madness.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, but it was used in a case, and the
woman who was accused of stabbing your boyfriend a hundred
times got probation for that because she smoked weed and
was experiencing this thing. We got to talk about that
at some point she.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Got she got found successful of having an amazing lawyer.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
It's in the library. Yeah, it's trigger, it's not.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
It's not as for anybody you got to have pre
existing like right, trigger schizophrenia essentially.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But it's just stuff that's happening in that closed room, right,
And we're just like, what, Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
It's happening in the mind. And then uh, let's go
back to this because I do want to for anybody
who's interested in pursuing EVAP, I think it'll be helpful
to get a sense of how people apply rigor to this,
to this search. So we talked at length about the
idea of trying to reduce subconscious movements of hands or
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movement of air. George continues. We would always pair off
so that there were at least two sets of eyes
and ears for any session. If we heard sounds, we
would identify them allowed for the recorder. The process was
to ask a question, wait a few minutes, then ask
another question. This was because ostensibly it could take time
(43:15):
for responses to occur. We'd also keep recordings to This
is interesting. This is kind of counterintuitive to me. They
said we would keep recordings down to ten to fifteen
minutes or so, largely because reviewing the data takes about
as long as it takes to record it in the
first place. So they're not I don't know what you
guys think, but I I guess I had just lazily imagined.
(43:40):
I haven't done EVP research, but I had just lazily
imagined that you would set a recorder in an empty
room overnight or something like that, and then try to party.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That you did. Matt, wasn't it in your old house?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
No, I actually kept it over night. I completely agree
with this part, because you do. Again, if you're reviewing
a piece of tape and it's say ten minutes right,
you're listening back to that tape after you've recorded it
in real time, trying to notice if there's anything maybe
then enhancing it, turning up the gain or something. Listening
back to that full ten minutes again making a change
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the way with audio is being filtered to enhance something else.
Listening back to that ten minutes, it could take forever.
I think that's probably a smart move.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense, especially considering like how deep
you want to go into analysis, You're going to spend
a lot a lot of time with those minutes. And
then adds this that I definitely appreciate this point. We
acted and spoke in a respectful manner at all times,
so for example, we would not actively enrage a ghost
just to get a response out of them. And what
(44:42):
I'm doing, my friend, that makes you so much better
than so many of those ghost hunting shows where they're like,
come on, broh, come on, if you're here, hit a cabinet. Brouh.
I'm tho scared.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, I feel like that's the only way to go.
You just you've got to get in their grill, you know.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I feel like that establishes living People don't want to
hang out with you. Much of.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
This is why you have no friends and have a
failing ghost hunting show.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Oh boy on, oh gosh. Yeah uh, but you know,
it's a it's a tough gig. And in their defense,
the producers have a lot to do with how people
are portrayed in reality shows, So we don't know oh,
no question. We don't know how they're getting set up.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
Sorry, Zach, we act yeah, you know, funny story, not
to derail really quickly.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Just Paul will know about this. He and I worked
on a.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
Pilot or a sizzle for a reality show, uh with
the unfortunate name of the Underground Runway. It was about
like some Buckhead, which is like a kind of suburb
here in Atlanta, of like fancy moms that we're looking
to set up a side business of a of a
clothing line in their basement.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Underground Runway.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
You didn't really vet that one through, but man, we
saw some stuff where the producer was just.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Feeding lines to you know, the talent quote unquote. It
was nothing, was real. It was all manufacturer Silverado.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
Remember that poll, He says, ha ha, yep. It's also
I remember hearing this story too. There's also a good
point that our pal raises in the CVP letter. George says,
we were doing this because we wanted to collect data
in as uniform and scientifical way as we could. While
we did try to adhere to our rules, I don't
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think we could call any of our data scientific, nor
do I think that any ghost hunter can shots fired. George,
consider that scientific data has criteria requires controlled experimental circumstances,
minimizing variables. Then consider how difficult it is to create
tests with regular humans. Then add in the fact that
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ghost hunters are attempting to generate responses from what amounts
to invisible humans, so they don't know if the humans
are there to test. And this is where he introduces
a phrase. I think it's cool word of the day
Portmanteau anec data like anecdote, but data. I hope. I
wish you could see the faces there, George. I think
(47:10):
we're all in love with this term. He says with
ghost hunting, annec data gives us the preponderance of evidence
we need to know in order to decide whether something
is worth pursuing. So I think that's a very fair
and even minded way to go about it. And I
don't know, guys, should we have done that ghost hunting
(47:30):
show years back?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Which one? Yeah, that's a that's a good question. We
would get these We would get these questions from different
companies and they would say, hey, you guys want to
do a ghost hunting show with us?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
The show we should have done was called Silverado, that's
the one we should have done.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
That, that's what we should have done, and what the
malundon silver mines. Yep, yeah, all right, so we'll we'll
show this up here. We've got a couple of things
we'll just call letters from Home. In response to our
classic episode on Superpowers, this was Superpowers Part two. We
talked about ring finger mobility, and we got a lot
(48:13):
of people just flexen, literally flexing on us. So shout
out to Amir who says ring finger and mobility. I
wasn't aware this was something most people can't do, and
I don't think any of us can do it right
Where you move your ring finger independently? Oh you can
do it down, but can you do it up?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I can't do anything with it. Sorry, guys, really this
if I do my doing it, I do it. Never mind,
I'm doing it. Are I boarding on? Inappropriates pinky though?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Isn't it?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Oh ring finger? Sorry? Oh no, it's it's stuck. It's
frozen ring finger. Ring finger is completely immobile.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
We also we also hear from the part of my
pronunciation here the Wayne Garoa kid who says hello from
Wayne Garua o tioa iologized that spelling is a O
T E A R O A and says the following,
I have good finger control? Am I a superhero? And
this one also came attached with a picture of the
(49:12):
person actually doing this, So there's evidence maybe we're behind
the curve, because everyone who wrote in about this ring
finger stuff seemed surprised that other people can't do it.
I guess it's like rolling your tongue or the taste
of cilantro right, one of those little genetic works we
all get.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I think so. I think so wing Grello, by the way,
is New Zealand, New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I can't do it with my other hand. I'm sorry.
I'm doing the.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Livelong progress, which is the blessing the coining when you
do it with both hands. And then we heard from
a lot of people recently on the Ai Harlan stuff
the family is suing really ye and shout out to
(49:59):
a frame who a framed, a long time contributor, fellow
conspiracy realist. And I think your recent correspondence kind of
sums up what a lot of people have told us
after hearing that story quote, I don't like Ai Carlin.
I first heard him when I was nine with my
dad and his seven words of words I used to
(50:20):
help with my chronic stutter. His content means a lot
to me. I'm glad you guys don't like Ai Carlin too, agreed.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
Bro, I cutely agree.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
There there was a sort of a little tone death
as a bit of satire.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
You know, we missed a part of that that we
should have discussed, guys, And I didn't hear it until after,
and I was more curious. But Ben, you said you'd
listened to the whole thing, and I was like, oh man,
maybe I need to listen to this thing. There's a
section in there where Ai Carlin says, in the future,
it will just be us. It will be the AI
versions of all your favorite comedians and actors, and they're
(50:57):
going to replace all the newscasters, cause who's better at
telling you what's going on than comedians. And he's like,
there will be twenty four hour, three hundred and sixty
five day year feeds of comedians talking about current events,
what's happening, and doing it through the specific lens and
(51:17):
just basically Ai Carlin paints a picture of proliferation and
kind of a dystopia, but also an interesting concept.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Yeah, but I don't think I remember that, and it
is it is interesting. It is, to be honest, it
is the kind of thing Carlin would plausibly bring up
very alive to do us at. This is true.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
If that happened, guys, we would always know what Ja
Rule is thinking.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Thank God about ghost kitchens. I tried to. I texted him,
He's like, I can't talk. I'm doing EVP stuff.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yes, definably knows where he was.
Speaker 5 (51:51):
I just want to add to I've been seeing lately
on various Instagram accounts and such that I follow these
very riskque AI renderings of Taylor Swift kind of like
almost in the style of key art for like Grand
Theft Auto games, as like a sex worker kind of
you know, exotic dancer kind of situation, like wearing you know,
(52:14):
g strings and fish nets and being fondled and stuff,
pretty pretty raunchy stuff. I immediately was like, this is odd,
and I showed it to my girlfriend, who immediately.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Said, Taylor's not gonna like that.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
And sure enough, the very next day, maybe even the
same day, it was saying Taylor Swift pursuing legal action
against creators of these AI renderings of.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Her gonna be tough to do it because it's just
a creepy escalation of those those dudes who would photoshop
celebrities faces and stuff.
Speaker 5 (52:51):
And these are very stylized. No one is looking at
this and believing that that is Taylor Swift. They basically
look like cartoons, like, you know, like kind of photo
realistic hyperstyle. I really think the grand theft auto key
art is a decent analogy, but I do wonder if
she does find traction, that will certainly set a precedent,
as she is one of the most visible, powerful and
(53:15):
wealthy women or people in general in entertainment, So a
lot of potential there for what could set some presidents.
But honestly, don't think that she's going to be able to,
you know, prevent people, for she's a public figure.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Well, it is kind of like fan art too, right
in a.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Way technically, and also the law is there. The law
is a very tough time with this. The legislation hasn't
caught up with the innovation here yet and may not
because it's decentralized. I want to emphasize that thing I
mentioned earlier. If it's not familiar to anybody. The Streissand
effect very real on the Internet that is named after
I think Barbara Streisand had some unflattering picture. Oh no,
(53:55):
it's a photo of her house that she didn't want
out there, and she said, hey, Internet, don't put that anywhere.
And so the Internet, being decentralized and full of smart
alex put it everywhere. So it's unfortunately sometimes it's throwing
gas on the fire you mean to extinguish. And I
think that's worth exploring all of this and more in
(54:16):
a future episode. For now, let's call it a day.
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