March 7, 2024 • 53 mins
Papa Caps becomes the official STDWYTK hot sauce hook-up. Dewy continues the exploration of corruption in Illinois. Fellow Faygo fan Arborious explains magnets. ANUSTART responds to multiple topics, including DEFCON, the funeral industry, human trafficking and foreign real estate purchases. Lawyer Gzolo hips the gang to new legislation banning these purchases in Pennsylvania. Donatello makes an excellent point about light bulbs. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
They call me Ben.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis, code
named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are You are here,
and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know. We could not be more pleased to join
with you today, fellow conspiracy realists, we get to hear
from you and your cohort of listeners. We're going to
(00:51):
talk a little bit about some of the correspondents we
received regarding incandescent and led bulbs. We're going to hit
on several things from episodes that we did on real
estate or the funeral industry. But maybe maybe we also
we got a shout out some wonderful letters we got
(01:11):
about magnets wet. We got a lot of stuff to
get to, but how do.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
They work right? The first thing we're gonna do is
shout out Lucas aka Papa Caps. He wrote to us
and said this Hey, guys, I heard on a recent
podcast that you all don't use a po box, so
I'll just let you know what the surprise fan mail
is was.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So when I talked to you last I was working
on starting my own business, and from past episodes, I
know it's right up your alley. I started a hot
sauce company, and everybody, Papa Caps is giving us all
a four pack of his delicious hot sauces that he makes. Now, yeah,
one of them, my favorite one is called Sweet Reaper.
(01:50):
And guess what's in that one? Boys, Sweet Sweet Reaper,
that Carolina Reaper.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I cannot wait to try this hot sauce. It also
has bell peppers and onions and sugar in it.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yump.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You can go to Papa Capsfoods dot com. That's p
A P A C A P S f O O
D s dot com branding. That's well done, sir, right,
and you can order your own. That's very exciting. Thank
you so much for shouting us out and for sending
us some saucy sowls.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, you can also check him out if he happened
to be in the area at the Nashville, Tennessee Hot
Sauce expo.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
It should be coming up, but we'll get the date
for you there. It'll probably be later this year, maybe
in November.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I just noticed the clever Dublon Pondre in his name
Papa caps as in like caps say some.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Right, yeah, yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I'll say, you know, caps like blah blah. Oh you know,
I'm a Papa cap in that cap say some.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's amazing. I just thought about the spicy spice. Awesome,
awesome stuff.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
There.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Let's go to our next message. It comes from Well,
we're not going to say the name until the end here.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
This is just a fun message. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So I'm not like a scientist or anything, but I
do drink a lot of fago, and I'm certainly not
an expert in magnetism unless we're talking personality. But as
I understand it, magnetism is caused by unpaired electrons orbiting
their atomic nuclei on the same plane and in the
same direction. That is very much a layman's understanding and explanation,
(03:19):
but I feel like it should be much more common
knowledge because it's not especially complicated, and it's really kind
of cool and interesting. That's really as much as I
know about magnetism. But if there's anyone who could expound
on the subject in an esoteric manner, it's you, wise.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Gentlemen, so get after it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Clearly this falls under stuff they don't want you to know,
since when you ask scientists they be lion and shes.
That's from a borious master of plants said like a
true Juggalo. Amazing, Thank you, Rborius, master of plants. Okay,
and guys, here is the last thing I have to
share for today. This is a message from Dewey J.
It is a voice message and it is about small
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town corruption.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Hi, guys, Jay from Illinois, where our governors make our
license plates. Well for the last ten got their chance
when they went to jail. You can use this on air.
You had a recent episode about Illinois corruption. You're missing
one that's going on right now. Tiffany Hinyard, mayor in
township supervisor of Dalton, Illinois. She's calling herself the super mayor,
but really she's the super corrupt mayor, trying to build
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a cult of personality. She's been spending money not approved
by the village oversight board and even not telling them
about the things she's spending money on Now the village
board members are doing their job accountability asking for records.
Tiffany's response was to physically lock them out of the
building and to lock them out of the financial system software.
So some examples of the things she's doing. She's run
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up one hundred and ten thousand dollars credit card spending
not accounting for. She wants them to pay the bill,
but doesn't want to give them any receipts. She's spent
one hundred and seventy thousand dollars to travel just for
seven months. Spent thirty four thousand dollars in Las Vegas
on one trip alone. She's been hiring friends I'm up,
not qualify the qualified for the job and paying them
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more than the going rate, over paying for goods and services.
For example, she bought a twenty twenty three truck cash
price for that is ninety three thousand dollars. Well, she
got that with fifty six thousand dollars interest on top.
She's using city vehicles for staff and staff for non
city business. For example, her march to Springfield for her
personal charity, and the city has a deficit of about
(05:27):
seven million dollars. All this for a city of only
twenty one thousand people, and in my opinion, worst of all,
she's breaking Robert's rules of orders in public meeting, got
the audacity of it well. In town meetings and social media,
she's been yelling at the board and telling them that
they need to pay the bills. And the FBI has
finally hurt her and they've started a probe into the
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super corrupt mayor. So maybe we need to bring the
real heat and start as stuff they don't want you
to know, investigation. Well, I love the show. Guys, have
one last question, he always says, they call me Ben.
Is he hiding something? What is his real name?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And no hold on?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
That was too far, DEWEYJ. That was too far. Okay.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I think this is a great idea for an episode,
Thank you, DEWEYJ.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Because about.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The mayor in Illinois. Because I'm going to keep in
track on this a little bit too, because some clips
of her went viral pretty recently. And it's strange how
much stuff we've heard from our fellow listeners about Illinois
and specific when we asked for just you know, general
small town corruption. And I swear, dear friends, about every
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fourth email was about something screwy in Illinois exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Speaking of just those clips of this particular mayor, Mayor
Tiffany Henyard, Let's let's go to a quick clip. This
is going to be from WGN News It. This clip
was posted on February sixth, twenty twenty four, on their
YouTube channel and it is titled Dalton Mayor to critics quote,
I'm the leader. Just so you get an understanding of
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what deweyj Was saying about. This mayor has been yelling
at the board members when they're having meetings and what
is it breaking Robert's rules of order? This is just
a quick example here we go.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Y'all forget I am the later they want to hear
from the mayor. If you haven't hurt that yet, the mayor,
not the trustee. That don't do nothing, that only run
a map. Y'all don't do no work.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
No work.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Okay, So that's just a quick one. Doesn't didn't really
have any substance there, Sorry for that, guys, but it
was definitely a clip of the mayor yelling. That clip
goes on to discuss the FBI investigation into this mayor
and all of the things. Basically that dewej outlined for us.
She just seems particularly upset.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, and you do. I mean every mayor or indep
governor political official is going to have their own style
of approach, right, And so she very clearly is she
very clearly is exhibiting passion for this, for what she
sees as political attacks.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
So that is that, in itself, I would say, is
not It is definitely not illegal. It's not super normal.
I was interested to learn, Matt and Dewey you probably
know this too. In the last election, this mayor received
eighty percent of the vote, eighty two, eighty two more
than eighty percent.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
February twenty twenty one, youngest female mayor in the village's
one hundred and thirty year history.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And I do think federal indictment, at least from the
sources we read, I do think of federal indictment is
very much in the cards. And it's not Look, sometimes
people can put loyalty to a political party over things
like rule of law or over good jurisprudence. It does
(09:02):
sound like there's some smoke here. For sure, it's going
to have to go to a court or go to
a full investigation to see if there's a fire. But
it could be a great episode for us to dive into,
because again, the facts are pretty disturbing, just even on
a surface level. Read right, Yeah, but the allegations, I
(09:24):
should say the allegations at this point.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I mean, it kind of reminds me of some of
the allegations being made against Justice Clarence Thomas. It's not
quite the same in terms of actually using you know,
funds designated for other things, but the level of kind
of taking advantage of an elected position in order to
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get all kinds of extra swag and stuff does seem
to be in line with it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
At anytime, you know, I personally hear.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
About elected officials abusing their power in this way.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
It just kind of it's out on. As you would say, Ben,
it's a little tut.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, there's some intense allegations that are it's running up on.
I don't know if racketeering is the right word. Holding
people's businesses hostage because they're refusing to donate to the
mayoral campaign allegedly. This is all allegedly, right. This has
come from ABC seven Chicago. I'm just gonna read this
(10:26):
quick thing. This is from an article titled Dalton Mayor
Tiffany Henyard accused of corruption. Trustees approved call for federal investigation.
It was posted February twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. This
is a quick excerpt quote. Running a business in Dalton
has also been getting harder. Multiple businesses have been shut
down recently over unresolved licensing issues, including Lawrence Gardner's trucking company.
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It's been sitting idle since January twenty twenty three, when
the village accused him of selling liquor without a license
during a party that was being hosted there. He denies
the allegation, with judge ruling in his favor, and has
other ideas about why the action may have been taken.
He says, quote because I wouldn't donate the money anymore.
I wouldn't give her any more money. That's according to Gardner.
(11:14):
And this is one last thing here. Gardner said he's
among several business owners who, shortly after Henyard took office,
complied with her request for a three five hundred dollars
donation to the village. But again, the thought here is
that he's no longer donating after twenty twenty one. In
the initial donation, and that's why he's being held.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Up, and he's getting jammed up through like regulatory retaliation,
which is kind of easy to do, to be honest
with you, because some of those permits and things that
you would need as a business, they can be kind
of black box in terms of the approval, and a
lot of times news doesn't pay attention to him. One
thing I saw Matt that I think is also pretty weird.
(11:58):
I'm gonna be honest, I didn't know he could do this.
Fox thirty two out of Chicago by Dame Placo points
out that people are saying this official put in a
poison pill to scare off political rivals. What happened is
at the very last minute, before they had a vote
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and a big meeting, a town meeting, Henyard introduced an
ordinance that says she's going to continue to receive her
yearly salary as township supervisor. That's two hundred and twenty
four thousand dollars a year, which is a lot. But
here's the thing. If a if someone else becomes supervisor,
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in other words, if someone else challenges Henyard in an
election and wins, the salary for the position drops down
to twenty five grand a year. That's a pay cut
of almost ninety percent. And so the thing that her
enemies are saying is they're like, this is an on
purpose again poison pill thing to disincentivize people from running
(13:03):
against her.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
That's insane.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I would have to learn more, learn more as we can.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Let's learn it.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Let's learn this. But that sounds wrong, like mape it again.
The attorneys the Attorney General is like, we need to
look at this. It's just and the FBI says we
need to look at this thing. By the way, Uh,
Mayor Tiffany Henyard has a podcast, guys. It's called On
the On the Move O n t H Move podcast.
(13:31):
It's going to debut on Spotify or wait maybe it
just did know it's about to debut on Spotify the
week that this is coming out. So uh, definitely check
it out. Let us know what you think, give us
some notes after you've listened.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And we're not doing this. We're not doing this because
it's a show on Spotify, folks.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
To be very clear, No, we love Spotify.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, we're also on Spotify, so there's no no conspiracy
to that aspect, but certainly not.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I did check, guys, our internal systems to make sure
it wasn't being produced by iHeart Yeah, but it's not.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That would be funny though, if an ad for where
it ran right after this, I would love that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Oh wait a second, now, hold on, she's telling the
trustees of Dolton she doesn't have the receipts. But here's
a quote in a video that she put out to
promote her new podcast quote, I've got the tea with
the receipts. Matter of fact, if you want the tea,
get it from me. Hold on, But she doesn't have
the receipts, but she also has the receipts. This is
(14:32):
a we're in a situation, boys. We need to find
out more. Yeah, all right, that's it. That's all I've got.
Let us know about your small town corruption. Doesn't have
to be Illinois. It can. We continue to find out more,
as Ben said, but it could be any state. We'll
be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And we have returned the two pretty interesting ones here,
and it's increasingly a fascinating exercise to try to pick
just the few to share. But here's one from Donna Tello,
which I thought was an incredibly important point, just gonna.
It's pretty short, so we'll share this one in full.
Greetings gents. In the recent listener mail, you guys got
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on a role regarding LED versus incandescent light bulbs. Naturally,
you wondered why in the sam hell Nice Dona Tolo
would anyone have a use for something as outdated as
an incandescent bulb. Here is your answer. I am disabled
with over thirteen visual impairments. Two of them are photophobia
and photo aladynia. The two of them combined make light
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appear much brighter than it truly is, and this causes
physical pain in my eyes. Not all light is created equal, however,
natural light hurts the least, and light from LED bulbs
appears immensely bright and causes extreme pain. Light from incandescent bulbs, however,
still pain, but not near to the extent as LED.
(16:03):
This is a real problem for me and everyone else
in my predicament, as incandescent bulbs are becoming very hard
to come by and the price is increasing exponentially as
the supply dwindles, All public places and other people's homes
are rapidly switching to LED bulbs, making those places inaccessible
to people like me. Someday when I run out of
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incandescent bulbs, I might be forced to light my house
with candles. Wish me luck. And I don't think Dona
Tell is joking here, but I thought that was really
that was a really good point about accessibility that I
don't know about you guys, but it had not occurred
to me.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Nor to me Donna Tello. I would love to know
more because it does feel like there are LED bulbs
that will put off far fewer what is the correct
term light candles? Look at you Wendy's Burger Broker.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, I wanted to. Yeah, let's go to you, Doc,
if that's okay, because you've got the expertise here for
someone with high photosensitivity. Are there like, are there natural
at light esque kind of LED bulbs or not incandescent
things that people could look at.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
With a dimmer?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I mean, if you you could get specialized dimmers. And
I know that might be cost preventative, but I do
know that's possible. Like if you look at the forty
WAT equivalents of LEDs, I wonder, I wonder what the
real difference is there for someone who's going through what
Donna Tell is going through. Doc, Doc doesn't know Doc
doesn't know you, guys, O G.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
My area of knowledge is more so about like film
lighting itself. I could say, oh, this is the best
kind of like we should use led, or we should
use tungue stand or we should use an HMI or
whatever when we're on set, But when it comes to
like what household style bubs balls that people would have
access to, that's a little bit out of mind.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
Yeah, And the word that you were looking for mat
a little bit ago is foot candles.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
We just wanted to hear you talk lighting.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
And I just want to give it get a chance
to shout out Wendy's burger Broker, which is by far
one of the best nicknames you've come up with, and
you're pretty great at them.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
We should explain, though, So okay, when we're when we're
recording this remotely the way we are right now, we
can give each other or we just give ourselves a name.
Right often we will call ourselves by our names or
what we go by U or what they call us. Yeah.
Often Doc has an amazing name, and all of us
(18:29):
do it every once in a while, but Doc always
has an amazing though The thing.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Is, it's a dangerous game because we will also use
the same the same platform for other things. So sometimes
you'll pop into like a very grown up meeting and
it's like, oh, Quortomats the author of toe destruction, right, Like, what.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
Do you sing that? This is not a grown up meeting?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
No, it's more it's more fun than a lot of
the things where they throw around phrases like cadence and
Q four and stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But not insinuating outright declaring.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
As a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, so we're on the case there. Thank you for
writing in, and thank you to everybody who took the
time to send us an email regarding lights. We had
a lot of people who work in related industries who
broke down what seems to be a problem in infrastructure
quite honestly, and that's something we talked about when we
first mentioned this strange news of leek Matt brought it.
(19:28):
I wanted to move to another one and this is
kind of a this is what I've been waiting on
to fit in. This is this is kind of a noel.
I think you in particular will enjoy this nice thematic
link to some other stuff we're going to explore but
we got a great email from someone that we're going
to call a New Starting to take start. Yeah, that's
(19:55):
it spelled the way you think it is, so we
had to let that slide. This is this goes across
a lot of or covers a lot of ground. So
we're going to give you some excerpts. Maybe stop along
the way to smell the flowers or whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, or the auses right.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
No, it's a new Start, guys.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's all new, like new.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Metal, like that band, new directions.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
So anyway, howdy friends, says A Start. I have three
things I'd like to share with you. Please feel free
to use the information on air. We're gonna we're gonna
jump around a little here, jump around, jump around. A
New Start says. I'm a licensed funeral director in Oklahoma
and a colleague of mine was able to go to
the National Funeral Director Association International Convention in Vegas in
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August twenty twenty three. He said he was having a
tough time finding the right area for the venue. He
had trouble checking in to the convention. Eventually, a lady
working at check in told him he was at the
wrong expo. He had been trying to check in at
some tech convention, so a new start. They started looking
into this and they're pretty sure their buddy accidentally ended
(21:10):
up at deaf cod And we've.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Talked not a good place to end up.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
What we're talking about before. How far did it even go? Oh,
it's just like some sort of hacker convention.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, a totally legit hacker convention. And they love it
if you bring your iPhone with you when you come.
It's like, this is something we talked about off air
because some of our fellow conspiracy realists have been pitching
us ongoing and we just have.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
To prepare very carefully.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I can't remember if we asked this on air, but
do you guys want to go to deaf con with me?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yes? A soft yes soft?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yes, that's the that's the old band that Paul Dickett
was in.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't I can't make it.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Okay, all right, your mouth saying very different.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, you got a dramatic irony in those I gases.
Well here's the other thing. A month after this def
con convention, the ASD Funeral Communications Company, it's an answering
service for funeral homes. It got compromised and ASD has
records of doctor, phone numbers, names, sensitive personal info about
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the deceased, including like your SSN, your social Security number,
you're next to ken your address. So you have to
be careful when you when you go to a place
like def Con, because you might FAFO, you know, very quickly.
But also we're not saying anybody at def Con as criminals. Guys,
we're cool, but I want to go so bad. I'm
(22:47):
just kind of like, how do we plan for that?
So first we only use cash, right, second, burner phone, flip.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Phone, not your real name, not your real face, no technology. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's how you do deaf Gunn just goes straight.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Up ludites assume a ludite personality.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah man, okay, all right, well we could do it.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Here's the one that ties into to some other discussions
will have and I think it's almost like part of
just one big discussion. Then we love connecting listeners this way.
A new start says I recently listened to a conversation
you had about Chinese nationals, the marijuana factory, in human trafficking.
(23:30):
I don't know a time about that particular story, but
I can tell you Oklahoma is a hub of human trafficking.
Tulsa and Oklahoma City are surrounded by a highways that
can take you out of state to Arkansas, Texas, Kansas
in just four to five hours. In fact, says a
New Start, my sister has almost been trafficked twice while
at a quick trip gas station, both times in broad daylights.
(23:54):
Road trips are awesome, but do be careful, folks, because
when those kinds of situations happen, they escalate quickly.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
You know, that's scary.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
It's something to think about. And then this is the
related thing. And I think the game through things here
a start, a news start. I think the concept of
China in topics maybe spoke to you here because you
follow up and conclude saying, when my spouse and I
were in the market for buying a house, we had
a huge issue with Chinese nationals buying up houses and
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property and paying cash. At least that's what the realtor
told us. When we finally found a house and did
the inspection, the realtor and the inspector who is also
a police officer, we're talking with us about how Chinese
nationals have been buying up property and then turning them
into weed.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Farms.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
For the record, I have nothing against Chinese people. Their
culture is fascinating and their cuisine is banging. So say
we all and then start says as always stay golden.
I feel like it's a real I think at first
I was worried that we were being overly paranoid about
foreign capture of US land that happens in Canada and
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Australia too. I guess I was just concerned about how
easily that slides into xenophobia, senophobia and racism. But there's
a conspiracy afoot.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, well, it's it stinks that there is. You're absolutely right.
There's massive sensitivity when it comes to anything like that, right,
and so you have to be careful at about how
you talk about it, what even what you think about it.
But when there are facts that we can lay out,
I think it's worth our time. There was another story
(25:37):
I saw, I think it was this week or last
week Ben that we were gonna mention. But it was
or maybe it was a listener mailely came through another state.
That's limiting foreign capture.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
That's what we're gonna That's what our setup is too. Yeah,
we're gonna get to that one.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, oh, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Because they are. It is going in a state by
state way, right, And it's a very difficult conversation for
people to have because in a country like the United States,
the idea is generally, if you can afford to buy
something and it is legal to buy that thing, then
you're golden because it's your money, right, pursuit of happiness
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and all that. But then if you look at so
many other countries in the world, it's difficult to buy,
to actually purchase lands as a foreigner, and that comes
from real concerns about hedgemony, about surreptitious means of penetration
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or infiltration and control. Like I don't know, I just
I don't know where the line is, Like how do
you how do you make it so that the average
person in the US resident or citizen or what have
you can afford to buy a hope, there's so many
problems with it now.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Well, I mean it would require the government stepping in
and creating programs.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I mean there are some programs.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
There are things like first time home buyers credits and
things like that, but that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Apply to availability of property.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
That's just giving you a little bit of a boost
if you're a first time home owner, home buyer. So
what we need to do is, like we talked about
with you know, how do we protect land?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You know in the United States, how it's.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Only because of the forward lookingness of certain individuals historically
that we have things like national parks, because if it
hadn't been for them and the establishment of the national
park system, all of that stuff would have been developed
to hell and gone, you know, no question about it.
And so that little caveat built into capitalism. Yeah, we've
got some areas that are not on the table, so
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there needs to be something like that. Not I'm saying
it's the same as creating national parks, but there needs
to be some protection at the very least so that
citizens of our own country get first DIBs on property,
and not just these multinational companies that may well be
based in our country. We'll, of course largely talking about
(28:04):
foreign entities swooping in, but even these developers, you know,
they need to be somewhat hamstrung a little bit. But
in the name of capitalism. There are some that would
believe that that would be a no go, you know,
that would be hampering capitalism. But I think in order
to have fairness, you have to have some checks and
balances on pure capitalism.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's a good way
to look at it. I think that's pretty balanced and
fair because weirdly enough, the actual like day to day
existence in the nation of China is pretty hyper capitalistic, right,
I don't know. I think you can pack a lot
(28:47):
into these terms and ideologies, but the numbers don't lie.
You could go to the New York Times. There was
a great article that came out earlier this month by J.
David Goodman who talks about the US Chinese geopolitical tensions
and how that is also fueling these moves to ban
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Chinese nationals in specific from buying land or buying investments,
because what they're saying is these folks aren't coming in.
They're coming in purporting to be individual actors, but they're
functioning as proxies of a state power, and that gets
really weird.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
The thing I was thinking about earlier, guys, was it
was reporting from middle of last year, and it was
three or four states Kansas, Missouri, Florida, and there's one
or two others that warns the stuff It Yeah, that
is attempting to ban and or limit the sale of
any property to foreign entity, no matter what it is.
(29:54):
But then like Florida is aiming directly at China, right.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
And Desanta doubled down on that. I think it was
in January of this year. He had a news conference. Yeah,
January tenth, he had a news conference where he went
he was ten toes down on it. And he's the
way they write these things sometimes just say non US residents, right,
But in his case, quite publicly, he's aiming for He's
(30:24):
aiming for Chinese nationals because he believes that they are
quote dangerous foreign entities, which is totally, by the way,
not true. Not everybody is not everybody is working for
Uncle Gee, you know what I mean. That's where the
cenophobia comes in. But we've been getting a lot of
letters about this issue ever since we did two episodes
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Speaker 3 (31:50):
This one comes from Gazolo.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
I'm just gonna jump right in, gents, I subscribe to
a legislative update service in my home state of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Have to.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I'm a lawyer.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I thought you might be interested in pending legislation that
seeks to expand restrictions on who can own farmland and
land around critical infrastructure. I'm attaching the link to the
memo of the proposed changes to the law and a
copy of the bill. Here are some highlights. The amount
of farmland owned by foreign entities is up fifty thousand
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acres over last year it is expanded to prohibit certain
countries and individuals related to them. There must therefore be
evidence that nation states are getting around the law by
having proxies or individuals purchased the land. The new law
would have a cybersecurity task force. I wonder how much
access the task force will have to everyday citizens information
in the name of protecting municipal infrastructure. Well, that is
(32:45):
a question unto itself, isn't it, And I bet you
will have something to say about that going on. There
are also broad provisions that would allow the state to
review all sorts of transactions. There are also penalties to
a title company that willfully fails to comply, penalties of
up to one thousands of dollars. This is interesting in
a lot of ways, and it is clear that most
(33:06):
nations don't want to do conventional battle with the US,
i e. Guns and tanks, but they're certainly willing to
do battle in other ways. It makes you think about
the long term plan of buying up so much farmland. Thanks,
and I hope you find this interesting. We do feel
free to use it on air and use my nickname Gazolo,
(33:27):
And then Gazolo does link out to this legal database,
and I'm just gonna give a little bit more information.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
About the bill itself.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
It is from the House of Representatives, and it is
from a Representative Barbara Glme, Representative Stephanie scale A bop
skal abop scal a bop I believe that's right, and
Representative Timothy are Bonner, all House members. The subject of
the memo is just this prevent unfriendly foreign entities from
(33:58):
gaining access to and influency our institutions and assets. Very
broad language there, and I'm just going to read the
little short memo here. Over the past several years, there
has been increased attention paid to the efforts of unfriendly
foreign nations and related actors to influence our institutions and
gain ownership and access to our critical infrastructure and facilities.
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While the federal government maintains the frontline defenses against such
foreign efforts through the military and national security apparatus, the
Commonwealth has a role to play, particularly when it comes
to oversight of institutions and functions that are typically handled
at the state level. Several incidents across the nation have
highlighted some areas of concern that the Commonwealth can address.
(34:41):
The increase in ownership of domestic farmland by foreign entities
raises questions about food security. The hacking of the al
Equippa municipal authority shows the need for the Commonwealth to
provide a cybersecurity assistance to protect infrastructure. The military deemed
the purchase of three hundre and seventy acres near an
air Force base in North Dakota by a Chinese firm
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a security risk. This legislative package is designed to prevent
unfriendly foreign nations and related actors from gaining access and
influencing our institutions and assets.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And then there are some exhibits.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I guess there are some documents that are put forth
from the various sponsors of this legislative package. And there's
an interesting I'm good, I'm gonna read the whole thing,
but there's an interesting little excerpt from the first one
from Representative Glime, specifically referring to the idea of protecting
the Commonwealth's agricultural lands from acquisition by foreign entities and
(35:38):
foreign governments. It says, as a December thirty first, twenty
twenty two, more than four hundred thousand acres of farmland
in the Commonwealth is foreign owned, which amounts to two
point three percent of the privately held agricultural land. While
this is a relatively low figure in comparison to other states,
it is an increase of more than fifty thousand acres
from the previous year. The Agricultural Land Acquisition by Alien's
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Law Act thirty nine of nineteen eighty prohibits aliens who
are not residents of the United States and foreign governments
from purchasing more than one hundred acres of farmland in
the Commonwealth. And then it goes on to talk about
how this legislation would expand upon that with some of
the reasons that our listener provided in the body of
(36:21):
the email, just in terms of, you know, looking into
is this being done through proxies, etc. So I don't know, guys,
let's just maybe start there with the idea of expanding
measures to prevent the outright land grabbing you know of
our other countries or you know, specifically what's referred to
(36:43):
as hostile kind of countries unfriendlies.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Can can we quickly just list those countries that they
put in there, because they did put countries inside that document.
I'm just going to list them really quickly, just so
we have an understanding what we're talking about. It says China, Russia, Belarus, Iran,
North Korea, Venezuela, that we just talked about Syria, and
quote other countries that do not permit Americans to purchase
farmland in their countries quid pro quote.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So the usual suspects and then the idea of reciprocity exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Gazulo.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I just want to say this letter made my day
when he wrote to it. I also really like the
way this guy writes, because he said, I've subscribed to
this I have to I'm a lawyer. It's like I
could read your shrug. Dude, that was really cool.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You guys think this is Jack Kelly. He's a lawyer.
I think that's him.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
We'll have to see a picture of hands to confirm.
But yeah, this is such a and I appreciate you
sharing out these sources, goal because this is the pickle
of it. One very important thing to remember is there
are a lot of people who say, hey, this is
just paranoia or it's a vector for racism, because if
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you look at the entirety of the pie, then you'll
see that it's not a huge percentage of the pie.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
It was the first time I heard that two percent
number thrown around. I think in my mind it was
way more than that. But to your point, I don't
think that's entirely the issue, right.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
The issue is the rate of increase, right, not the
absolute number. The issue is the rise in percentage and
the and then also to be to say the quiet
part out loud, to be a little bit dystopian. Some
of the more long term opposition to this phenomenon comes
about from the recognition that it's going to be much
(38:34):
more difficult to get potable water and to get reliable
agricultural land where a lot of countries in the future.
It's on the way it's coming, you know. So it's
there's probably not going to be a law that stops
Nestley from extracting groundwater. But I don't know, man, it's icky,
it's complicated.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Can we just quickly brainstorm on something that Gazolo said,
the potential strategy associated with buying up law large anchorage farmland.
So it is potentially that, like you're talking about ben
just like limiting the those types of lands that the
country in which that land exists, like preventing them from
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having access to it. I think there's something. Maybe I'm wrong.
I think there's something to having strategically placed like technological hubs,
so like a large server from which you could launch
a cyber attack more locally or just from various parts
from within the country.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That's true, that's a that's a very a student valid concern.
I would agree with that. That's not tinfoil hat stuff
at all, because it could happen very easily. I would
add to that also the idea of surveillance and sig int'
that's a huge piece of it. So you know, porque
nolos dos right, like, yeah, do all of it at once.
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Grow some corn too.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Steal the water.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
You're talking too about Gazzolo's mention of the idea of
the broadness of some of these provisions that could allow
states to dig into maybe business that isn't even associated
with this, just in the name of trying to prevent
some of these things from happening.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well, I think, well, okay, so I'm just trying to
put myself in the position of somebody who is buying
up farmland strategically top down, like, okay, this is what
we need to do. We need to buy up farmland
in far flung areas of the country that we want
to eventually, you know, attack or weaken in some way. Right,
(40:31):
if you're thinking militarily, one thing you could do is
have decentralized literally cyber attack hubs that are coming from
within the house, right, so it's not an attack that
you could shut the pipeline down. We recently talked about
how much of the Internet traffic that we deal with
on a daily basis gets shipped across these underwater pipelines. Right,
(40:54):
if you were able to access inside the area, right,
you didn't need to go through those pipes to carry
out massive attacks on a country.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
You've already got boots on the ground, you already got
that little strategic positions of strength strongholds kind of.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I guess you can, and you wouldn't be able to
cut it off like you just cut it off immediately, right,
and especially if it's decentralized and coming from all different
parts of like farmland, from all over the country. I'm
just thinking about that, like that could be a really
dangerous thing. I'm not saying that's what's happening. I'm just
thinking that could be one of the reasons the.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
US Air Force agrees though In that New York Times
article I cited earlier, they're saying, gosh, I guess yeah.
This was in January as well. They were talking about
a Chinese company, ostensibly a private company, that bought a
corn mill in North Dakota. Very few people live in
North Dakota, relatively, but this corn mill was not far
(41:52):
from a US Air Force base. Indeed, it was close
enough to make them uncomfortable, and they, without specifying what
threat they were concerned about, they said publicly, this is
a significant threat. It poses near and long term risk
of significant impacts to our operations in the area. So
(42:13):
I take it like we all know that politicians in
this country are vulnerable to grand standing, right to chasing
the clout of public opinion, So maybe they can be
a little bit more theatrical, just to be honest. And
it's a little bit more concerning I think when the
actual armed services are saying watch out for this right
(42:36):
because what they're what they're basically saying is they don't
think it's a private company at all. WHOA.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
This goes back to the Strange News episode from this week. Well,
we need more electromagnetic warfare specialists. Those are the memory
of it. We said, those are the guys that disrupt
and enemy electronics systems with directed energy. Ooh, just aim
at the corner mill or what was it?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, silo.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
I like, also, you know, we have to exercise empathy.
There are a lot of people who get jobs at
these places and they're just you know, they're nationals from
a different country, and they're like, all right, well, I
got to set up this corn mill, and now people
think up double O seven what gives you know, that's
very stressful. It's a sorry, very stressful to work in agriculture.
(43:25):
But it's also very tough to find the line of
this kind of thing because, again, without sounding too conspiratorial,
here's how these things can sometimes happen. It happens a
lot with students you are let's say, I'm not I
don't want to pick on China here, but it's the
most it's a plausible example. You're a student, you get
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something like a scholarship from the government of China to
travel to you know, Europe, or to travel to Japan,
or to travel to the United States or Canada, et c.
And then while you're there, just a regular student, they
start asking you questions on the other side, right back home,
and these questions that they're asking may not necessarily seem
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sinister or you know, evil stuff, but they're also the
people who paid for your education, and they might give
you advice on jobs that you should get right, and
that might be very specific advice. And that's a concern
to the US intelligence operations, which is again, it's terribly
unfair to the majority of people, the vast majority of
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people who are just like I want to study physics
at MIT, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Guys, Yeah, do you think the United States is particularly
vulnerable to this kind of thing because of kind of
the motto of the country of come on in and
let's let's try things out.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Let's make some money too. And I know what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
I just mean, that's where the xenophobia kind of can
start to creep.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
I know.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
But it makes me wonder why there appears to be
such a movement over the past what ten a little
less than ten years towards that in not just the
United States, but especially in the Western countries about we
have to be careful, we have to watch out, and
we got to protect what's ours.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
And yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I just wonder if like that stance of openness and
like let's have a global let's embrace globalization to its
fullest extent. Then like the it's a psychological pushback or
something because of the perceived dangers.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Yeah, honestly, man, I don't know if I would use
the word vulnerable, because we have to remember in these
kind of situations we're not really talking about moral absolutes
or good versus bad guys. It's very much a two
way street, and the US is doing the same things.
And there again, it sounds like Tinker Taylor's Soldier Spece
(46:00):
eye level things, but it does happen, and it's there's
a cost benefit, I guarantee you Somewhere there's been a
conversation where they're saying, well, are we able to risk
the potential cost of compromisation? As you said, uh, is
it worth? Is that gamble worth? The benefit we get
from having some people that study with us and then
(46:22):
go back to their home countries and you know, get
some specific job advice like yeah, that can I don't know,
And that's.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Ah was coming off as you, Yeah, absolutely well.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
And it also makes me think about, like it all
of the xenophobia that we see and that has been,
you know, happening for a long time. Is that a
pushback against like the intent of the quote unquote founding fathers?
Like and and where did that whole attitude come from
in the first place, the idea of give us you're tired,
you're hungry, and all that. What does make the United
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States special? Coming from a bunch of you know, people
who today would be looked at largely very problematic, you know,
and obviously slavery still resulted, you know, despite the Constitution.
I just wonder, I don't know, I'm sorry, I'm being
a little muddled to what I'm trying to get at.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
I just like, like, are we really practicing what we preach?
Speaker 5 (47:20):
And like do we still kind of have that open
arms mentality at all?
Speaker 4 (47:24):
I mean, has this country ever like the overtime windows
shifts back and forth, you know, And even in the
days when the US became a thing, even in the
days of their most open immigration policies, they were still
very specific about countries they did and didn't, like, you
know what I mean, It's way easier to migrate to
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the US from Ireland than it is from say, like
Burkina Fassa or something, and that is by design, and
there's a lot of nasty stuff baked into that policy.
With this, I don't know it is.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
This is more about if you have money, then we'll
we'll talk, we'll do business.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Pretty much, to be honest, and it irritates me so much.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Pretty much every country has a special just for rich
people residency like a golden passport. Basically if you and
some of them, by the way, some of those prices
are surprisingly low, tell us your favorite, but then a
lot of them are like astronomically high, like New Zealand
will take your money and just let you live there.
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Many countries will. But it's a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
At one time or what like how does it work?
It's like, is it like a bribe, you know.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Not directly bribe to them, but I'm sure there are
a couple like Viigs a little vigorous there. But it's
more like you will get this special residency opportunity if
you agree to invest like one hundred thousand dollars US
in businesses in the country or you know, much higher prices.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
Possibly for a longer term than just one time. I
guess the results may vary, perhaps.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
See I'm reading here, guys, It says you must be
able to invest seven hundred and fifty thousand New Zealand
dollars in New Zealand's economy and keep it for.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
At least two years.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, and then you can get a temporary retirement visitor visa.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
That is definitely a rich people deal right there.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
Everything about that, I mean in terms of retirement you know,
like wow.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Oh, one of the highest numbers actually is Austria. It
is if you invest nine point five million US dollars equivalent,
then the wow question.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
This is a little bit off the topic, but because
of Brexit, are UK citizens now no longer as easily
able to immigrate to other countries in the European Union.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
It's still TBD, it's still early days.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah, but I think you guys, I just watched my neighbor.
I saw a flash of white. I'm on the second
floor of my house, and I could see my neighbor
just like what like forty five maybe fifty miles per
hour into their garage and they landed. They stuck the landing,
but it was just really scary to watch the sash.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
I see that, and I see that, I usually think
someone really asked to use the restroom, that's the that's
a poop park, you.
Speaker 9 (50:29):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I think that's exactly what was it scary? It genuinely
it alarmed me.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
So and some of the things we're talking about here
are are genuinely alarming, but they are really important.
Speaker 9 (50:41):
We have good we have to we have to think about,
Like one important point do you want to hit here,
is that regardless of how you fall on the ideas
of real estate or immigration or you know, ideology and
spirit versus ideology and practice, we have to remember that
there are a lot of totally innocent people who have
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busted their asses to get to the United States.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
And often the problem with crafting laws like this is
they're not targeting the real problem. They're targeting people who
don't have the legal wherewithal to defend themselves, even if
they are innocent. So it's I don't know, maybe someone
can solve it. Can you think Cazola can solve it?
Speaker 5 (51:22):
I think he's interested in it and certainly seems to
have the right tools to at least be informed on it.
And we really appreciate you sharing those tools with us,
because this is new and I haven't seen this reporter
on at all even within all of the context of
the research that you know, we've we've we've discussed on
this topic.
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You can go to Papa Capsfoods dot com. That's p
A P A C A P S f O O
D s dot com branding. That's well done, sir, right,
and you can order your own. That's very exciting. Thank
you so much for shouting us out and for sending
us some saucy sowls.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, you can also check him out if he happened
to be in the area at the Nashville, Tennessee Hot
Sauce expo.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
It should be coming up, but we'll get the date
for you there. It'll probably be later this year, maybe
in November.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I just noticed the clever Dublon Pondre in his name
Papa caps as in like caps say some.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Right, yeah, yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I'll say, you know, caps like blah blah. Oh you know,
I'm a Papa cap in that cap say some.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's amazing. I just thought about the spicy spice. Awesome,
awesome stuff.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
There.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Let's go to our next message. It comes from Well,
we're not going to say the name until the end here.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
This is just a fun message. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So I'm not like a scientist or anything, but I
do drink a lot of fago, and I'm certainly not
an expert in magnetism unless we're talking personality. But as
I understand it, magnetism is caused by unpaired electrons orbiting
their atomic nuclei on the same plane and in the
same direction. That is very much a layman's understanding and explanation,
(03:19):
but I feel like it should be much more common
knowledge because it's not especially complicated, and it's really kind
of cool and interesting. That's really as much as I
know about magnetism. But if there's anyone who could expound
on the subject in an esoteric manner, it's you, wise.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Gentlemen, so get after it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Clearly this falls under stuff they don't want you to know,
since when you ask scientists they be lion and shes.
That's from a borious master of plants said like a
true Juggalo. Amazing, Thank you, Rborius, master of plants. Okay,
and guys, here is the last thing I have to
share for today. This is a message from Dewey J.
It is a voice message and it is about small
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town corruption.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Hi, guys, Jay from Illinois, where our governors make our
license plates. Well for the last ten got their chance
when they went to jail. You can use this on air.
You had a recent episode about Illinois corruption. You're missing
one that's going on right now. Tiffany Hinyard, mayor in
township supervisor of Dalton, Illinois. She's calling herself the super mayor,
but really she's the super corrupt mayor, trying to build
(04:20):
a cult of personality. She's been spending money not approved
by the village oversight board and even not telling them
about the things she's spending money on Now the village
board members are doing their job accountability asking for records.
Tiffany's response was to physically lock them out of the
building and to lock them out of the financial system software.
So some examples of the things she's doing. She's run
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up one hundred and ten thousand dollars credit card spending
not accounting for. She wants them to pay the bill,
but doesn't want to give them any receipts. She's spent
one hundred and seventy thousand dollars to travel just for
seven months. Spent thirty four thousand dollars in Las Vegas
on one trip alone. She's been hiring friends I'm up,
not qualify the qualified for the job and paying them
(05:03):
more than the going rate, over paying for goods and services.
For example, she bought a twenty twenty three truck cash
price for that is ninety three thousand dollars. Well, she
got that with fifty six thousand dollars interest on top.
She's using city vehicles for staff and staff for non
city business. For example, her march to Springfield for her
personal charity, and the city has a deficit of about
(05:27):
seven million dollars. All this for a city of only
twenty one thousand people, and in my opinion, worst of all,
she's breaking Robert's rules of orders in public meeting, got
the audacity of it well. In town meetings and social media,
she's been yelling at the board and telling them that
they need to pay the bills. And the FBI has
finally hurt her and they've started a probe into the
(05:49):
super corrupt mayor. So maybe we need to bring the
real heat and start as stuff they don't want you
to know, investigation. Well, I love the show. Guys, have
one last question, he always says, they call me Ben.
Is he hiding something? What is his real name?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And no hold on?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
That was too far, DEWEYJ. That was too far. Okay.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I think this is a great idea for an episode,
Thank you, DEWEYJ.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Because about.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The mayor in Illinois. Because I'm going to keep in
track on this a little bit too, because some clips
of her went viral pretty recently. And it's strange how
much stuff we've heard from our fellow listeners about Illinois
and specific when we asked for just you know, general
small town corruption. And I swear, dear friends, about every
(06:42):
fourth email was about something screwy in Illinois exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Speaking of just those clips of this particular mayor, Mayor
Tiffany Henyard, Let's let's go to a quick clip. This
is going to be from WGN News It. This clip
was posted on February sixth, twenty twenty four, on their
YouTube channel and it is titled Dalton Mayor to critics quote,
I'm the leader. Just so you get an understanding of
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what deweyj Was saying about. This mayor has been yelling
at the board members when they're having meetings and what
is it breaking Robert's rules of order? This is just
a quick example here we go.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Y'all forget I am the later they want to hear
from the mayor. If you haven't hurt that yet, the mayor,
not the trustee. That don't do nothing, that only run
a map. Y'all don't do no work.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
No work.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Okay, So that's just a quick one. Doesn't didn't really
have any substance there, Sorry for that, guys, but it
was definitely a clip of the mayor yelling. That clip
goes on to discuss the FBI investigation into this mayor
and all of the things. Basically that dewej outlined for us.
She just seems particularly upset.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, and you do. I mean every mayor or indep
governor political official is going to have their own style
of approach, right, And so she very clearly is she
very clearly is exhibiting passion for this, for what she
sees as political attacks.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
So that is that, in itself, I would say, is
not It is definitely not illegal. It's not super normal.
I was interested to learn, Matt and Dewey you probably
know this too. In the last election, this mayor received
eighty percent of the vote, eighty two, eighty two more
than eighty percent.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
February twenty twenty one, youngest female mayor in the village's
one hundred and thirty year history.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And I do think federal indictment, at least from the
sources we read, I do think of federal indictment is
very much in the cards. And it's not Look, sometimes
people can put loyalty to a political party over things
like rule of law or over good jurisprudence. It does
(09:02):
sound like there's some smoke here. For sure, it's going
to have to go to a court or go to
a full investigation to see if there's a fire. But
it could be a great episode for us to dive into,
because again, the facts are pretty disturbing, just even on
a surface level. Read right, Yeah, but the allegations, I
(09:24):
should say the allegations at this point.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I mean, it kind of reminds me of some of
the allegations being made against Justice Clarence Thomas. It's not
quite the same in terms of actually using you know,
funds designated for other things, but the level of kind
of taking advantage of an elected position in order to
(09:48):
get all kinds of extra swag and stuff does seem
to be in line with it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
At anytime, you know, I personally hear.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
About elected officials abusing their power in this way.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
It just kind of it's out on. As you would say, Ben,
it's a little tut.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, there's some intense allegations that are it's running up on.
I don't know if racketeering is the right word. Holding
people's businesses hostage because they're refusing to donate to the
mayoral campaign allegedly. This is all allegedly, right. This has
come from ABC seven Chicago. I'm just gonna read this
(10:26):
quick thing. This is from an article titled Dalton Mayor
Tiffany Henyard accused of corruption. Trustees approved call for federal investigation.
It was posted February twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. This
is a quick excerpt quote. Running a business in Dalton
has also been getting harder. Multiple businesses have been shut
down recently over unresolved licensing issues, including Lawrence Gardner's trucking company.
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It's been sitting idle since January twenty twenty three, when
the village accused him of selling liquor without a license
during a party that was being hosted there. He denies
the allegation, with judge ruling in his favor, and has
other ideas about why the action may have been taken.
He says, quote because I wouldn't donate the money anymore.
I wouldn't give her any more money. That's according to Gardner.
(11:14):
And this is one last thing here. Gardner said he's
among several business owners who, shortly after Henyard took office,
complied with her request for a three five hundred dollars
donation to the village. But again, the thought here is
that he's no longer donating after twenty twenty one. In
the initial donation, and that's why he's being held.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Up, and he's getting jammed up through like regulatory retaliation,
which is kind of easy to do, to be honest
with you, because some of those permits and things that
you would need as a business, they can be kind
of black box in terms of the approval, and a
lot of times news doesn't pay attention to him. One
thing I saw Matt that I think is also pretty weird.
(11:58):
I'm gonna be honest, I didn't know he could do this.
Fox thirty two out of Chicago by Dame Placo points
out that people are saying this official put in a
poison pill to scare off political rivals. What happened is
at the very last minute, before they had a vote
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and a big meeting, a town meeting, Henyard introduced an
ordinance that says she's going to continue to receive her
yearly salary as township supervisor. That's two hundred and twenty
four thousand dollars a year, which is a lot. But
here's the thing. If a if someone else becomes supervisor,
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in other words, if someone else challenges Henyard in an
election and wins, the salary for the position drops down
to twenty five grand a year. That's a pay cut
of almost ninety percent. And so the thing that her
enemies are saying is they're like, this is an on
purpose again poison pill thing to disincentivize people from running
(13:03):
against her.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
That's insane.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I would have to learn more, learn more as we can.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Let's learn it.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Let's learn this. But that sounds wrong, like mape it again.
The attorneys the Attorney General is like, we need to
look at this. It's just and the FBI says we
need to look at this thing. By the way, Uh,
Mayor Tiffany Henyard has a podcast, guys. It's called On
the On the Move O n t H Move podcast.
(13:31):
It's going to debut on Spotify or wait maybe it
just did know it's about to debut on Spotify the
week that this is coming out. So uh, definitely check
it out. Let us know what you think, give us
some notes after you've listened.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And we're not doing this. We're not doing this because
it's a show on Spotify, folks.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
To be very clear, No, we love Spotify.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, we're also on Spotify, so there's no no conspiracy
to that aspect, but certainly not.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I did check, guys, our internal systems to make sure
it wasn't being produced by iHeart Yeah, but it's not.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That would be funny though, if an ad for where
it ran right after this, I would love that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Oh wait a second, now, hold on, she's telling the
trustees of Dolton she doesn't have the receipts. But here's
a quote in a video that she put out to
promote her new podcast quote, I've got the tea with
the receipts. Matter of fact, if you want the tea,
get it from me. Hold on, But she doesn't have
the receipts, but she also has the receipts. This is
(14:32):
a we're in a situation, boys. We need to find
out more. Yeah, all right, that's it. That's all I've got.
Let us know about your small town corruption. Doesn't have
to be Illinois. It can. We continue to find out more,
as Ben said, but it could be any state. We'll
be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And we have returned the two pretty interesting ones here,
and it's increasingly a fascinating exercise to try to pick
just the few to share. But here's one from Donna Tello,
which I thought was an incredibly important point, just gonna.
It's pretty short, so we'll share this one in full.
Greetings gents. In the recent listener mail, you guys got
(15:17):
on a role regarding LED versus incandescent light bulbs. Naturally,
you wondered why in the sam hell Nice Dona Tolo
would anyone have a use for something as outdated as
an incandescent bulb. Here is your answer. I am disabled
with over thirteen visual impairments. Two of them are photophobia
and photo aladynia. The two of them combined make light
(15:41):
appear much brighter than it truly is, and this causes
physical pain in my eyes. Not all light is created equal, however,
natural light hurts the least, and light from LED bulbs
appears immensely bright and causes extreme pain. Light from incandescent bulbs, however,
still pain, but not near to the extent as LED.
(16:03):
This is a real problem for me and everyone else
in my predicament, as incandescent bulbs are becoming very hard
to come by and the price is increasing exponentially as
the supply dwindles, All public places and other people's homes
are rapidly switching to LED bulbs, making those places inaccessible
to people like me. Someday when I run out of
(16:25):
incandescent bulbs, I might be forced to light my house
with candles. Wish me luck. And I don't think Dona
Tell is joking here, but I thought that was really
that was a really good point about accessibility that I
don't know about you guys, but it had not occurred
to me.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Nor to me Donna Tello. I would love to know
more because it does feel like there are LED bulbs
that will put off far fewer what is the correct
term light candles? Look at you Wendy's Burger Broker.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, I wanted to. Yeah, let's go to you, Doc,
if that's okay, because you've got the expertise here for
someone with high photosensitivity. Are there like, are there natural
at light esque kind of LED bulbs or not incandescent
things that people could look at.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
With a dimmer?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I mean, if you you could get specialized dimmers. And
I know that might be cost preventative, but I do
know that's possible. Like if you look at the forty
WAT equivalents of LEDs, I wonder, I wonder what the
real difference is there for someone who's going through what
Donna Tell is going through. Doc, Doc doesn't know Doc
doesn't know you, guys, O G.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
My area of knowledge is more so about like film
lighting itself. I could say, oh, this is the best
kind of like we should use led, or we should
use tungue stand or we should use an HMI or
whatever when we're on set, But when it comes to
like what household style bubs balls that people would have
access to, that's a little bit out of mind.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
Yeah, And the word that you were looking for mat
a little bit ago is foot candles.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
We just wanted to hear you talk lighting.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
And I just want to give it get a chance
to shout out Wendy's burger Broker, which is by far
one of the best nicknames you've come up with, and
you're pretty great at them.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
We should explain, though, So okay, when we're when we're
recording this remotely the way we are right now, we
can give each other or we just give ourselves a name.
Right often we will call ourselves by our names or
what we go by U or what they call us. Yeah.
Often Doc has an amazing name, and all of us
(18:29):
do it every once in a while, but Doc always
has an amazing though The thing.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Is, it's a dangerous game because we will also use
the same the same platform for other things. So sometimes
you'll pop into like a very grown up meeting and
it's like, oh, Quortomats the author of toe destruction, right, Like, what.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
Do you sing that? This is not a grown up meeting?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
No, it's more it's more fun than a lot of
the things where they throw around phrases like cadence and
Q four and stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But not insinuating outright declaring.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
As a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, so we're on the case there. Thank you for
writing in, and thank you to everybody who took the
time to send us an email regarding lights. We had
a lot of people who work in related industries who
broke down what seems to be a problem in infrastructure
quite honestly, and that's something we talked about when we
first mentioned this strange news of leek Matt brought it.
(19:28):
I wanted to move to another one and this is
kind of a this is what I've been waiting on
to fit in. This is this is kind of a noel.
I think you in particular will enjoy this nice thematic
link to some other stuff we're going to explore but
we got a great email from someone that we're going
to call a New Starting to take start. Yeah, that's
(19:55):
it spelled the way you think it is, so we
had to let that slide. This is this goes across
a lot of or covers a lot of ground. So
we're going to give you some excerpts. Maybe stop along
the way to smell the flowers or whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, or the auses right.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
No, it's a new Start, guys.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's all new, like new.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Metal, like that band, new directions.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
So anyway, howdy friends, says A Start. I have three
things I'd like to share with you. Please feel free
to use the information on air. We're gonna we're gonna
jump around a little here, jump around, jump around. A
New Start says. I'm a licensed funeral director in Oklahoma
and a colleague of mine was able to go to
the National Funeral Director Association International Convention in Vegas in
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August twenty twenty three. He said he was having a
tough time finding the right area for the venue. He
had trouble checking in to the convention. Eventually, a lady
working at check in told him he was at the
wrong expo. He had been trying to check in at
some tech convention, so a new start. They started looking
into this and they're pretty sure their buddy accidentally ended
(21:10):
up at deaf cod And we've.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Talked not a good place to end up.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
What we're talking about before. How far did it even go? Oh,
it's just like some sort of hacker convention.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, a totally legit hacker convention. And they love it
if you bring your iPhone with you when you come.
It's like, this is something we talked about off air
because some of our fellow conspiracy realists have been pitching
us ongoing and we just have.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
To prepare very carefully.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I can't remember if we asked this on air, but
do you guys want to go to deaf con with me?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yes? A soft yes soft?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yes, that's the that's the old band that Paul Dickett
was in.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't I can't make it.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Okay, all right, your mouth saying very different.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, you got a dramatic irony in those I gases.
Well here's the other thing. A month after this def
con convention, the ASD Funeral Communications Company, it's an answering
service for funeral homes. It got compromised and ASD has
records of doctor, phone numbers, names, sensitive personal info about
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the deceased, including like your SSN, your social Security number,
you're next to ken your address. So you have to
be careful when you when you go to a place
like def Con, because you might FAFO, you know, very quickly.
But also we're not saying anybody at def Con as criminals. Guys,
we're cool, but I want to go so bad. I'm
(22:47):
just kind of like, how do we plan for that?
So first we only use cash, right, second, burner phone, flip.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Phone, not your real name, not your real face, no technology. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's how you do deaf Gunn just goes straight.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Up ludites assume a ludite personality.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah man, okay, all right, well we could do it.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Here's the one that ties into to some other discussions
will have and I think it's almost like part of
just one big discussion. Then we love connecting listeners this way.
A new start says I recently listened to a conversation
you had about Chinese nationals, the marijuana factory, in human trafficking.
(23:30):
I don't know a time about that particular story, but
I can tell you Oklahoma is a hub of human trafficking.
Tulsa and Oklahoma City are surrounded by a highways that
can take you out of state to Arkansas, Texas, Kansas
in just four to five hours. In fact, says a
New Start, my sister has almost been trafficked twice while
at a quick trip gas station, both times in broad daylights.
(23:54):
Road trips are awesome, but do be careful, folks, because
when those kinds of situations happen, they escalate quickly.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
You know, that's scary.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
It's something to think about. And then this is the
related thing. And I think the game through things here
a start, a news start. I think the concept of
China in topics maybe spoke to you here because you
follow up and conclude saying, when my spouse and I
were in the market for buying a house, we had
a huge issue with Chinese nationals buying up houses and
(24:26):
property and paying cash. At least that's what the realtor
told us. When we finally found a house and did
the inspection, the realtor and the inspector who is also
a police officer, we're talking with us about how Chinese
nationals have been buying up property and then turning them
into weed.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Farms.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
For the record, I have nothing against Chinese people. Their
culture is fascinating and their cuisine is banging. So say
we all and then start says as always stay golden.
I feel like it's a real I think at first
I was worried that we were being overly paranoid about
foreign capture of US land that happens in Canada and
(25:04):
Australia too. I guess I was just concerned about how
easily that slides into xenophobia, senophobia and racism. But there's
a conspiracy afoot.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, well, it's it stinks that there is. You're absolutely right.
There's massive sensitivity when it comes to anything like that, right,
and so you have to be careful at about how
you talk about it, what even what you think about it.
But when there are facts that we can lay out,
I think it's worth our time. There was another story
(25:37):
I saw, I think it was this week or last
week Ben that we were gonna mention. But it was
or maybe it was a listener mailely came through another state.
That's limiting foreign capture.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
That's what we're gonna That's what our setup is too. Yeah,
we're gonna get to that one.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, oh, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Because they are. It is going in a state by
state way, right, And it's a very difficult conversation for
people to have because in a country like the United States,
the idea is generally, if you can afford to buy
something and it is legal to buy that thing, then
you're golden because it's your money, right, pursuit of happiness
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and all that. But then if you look at so
many other countries in the world, it's difficult to buy,
to actually purchase lands as a foreigner, and that comes
from real concerns about hedgemony, about surreptitious means of penetration
(26:36):
or infiltration and control. Like I don't know, I just
I don't know where the line is, Like how do
you how do you make it so that the average
person in the US resident or citizen or what have
you can afford to buy a hope, there's so many
problems with it now.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Well, I mean it would require the government stepping in
and creating programs.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I mean there are some programs.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
There are things like first time home buyers credits and
things like that, but that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Apply to availability of property.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
That's just giving you a little bit of a boost
if you're a first time home owner, home buyer. So
what we need to do is, like we talked about
with you know, how do we protect land?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You know in the United States, how it's.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Only because of the forward lookingness of certain individuals historically
that we have things like national parks, because if it
hadn't been for them and the establishment of the national
park system, all of that stuff would have been developed
to hell and gone, you know, no question about it.
And so that little caveat built into capitalism. Yeah, we've
got some areas that are not on the table, so
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there needs to be something like that. Not I'm saying
it's the same as creating national parks, but there needs
to be some protection at the very least so that
citizens of our own country get first DIBs on property,
and not just these multinational companies that may well be
based in our country. We'll, of course largely talking about
(28:04):
foreign entities swooping in, but even these developers, you know,
they need to be somewhat hamstrung a little bit. But
in the name of capitalism. There are some that would
believe that that would be a no go, you know,
that would be hampering capitalism. But I think in order
to have fairness, you have to have some checks and
balances on pure capitalism.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's a good way
to look at it. I think that's pretty balanced and
fair because weirdly enough, the actual like day to day
existence in the nation of China is pretty hyper capitalistic, right,
I don't know. I think you can pack a lot
(28:47):
into these terms and ideologies, but the numbers don't lie.
You could go to the New York Times. There was
a great article that came out earlier this month by J.
David Goodman who talks about the US Chinese geopolitical tensions
and how that is also fueling these moves to ban
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Chinese nationals in specific from buying land or buying investments,
because what they're saying is these folks aren't coming in.
They're coming in purporting to be individual actors, but they're
functioning as proxies of a state power, and that gets
really weird.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
The thing I was thinking about earlier, guys, was it
was reporting from middle of last year, and it was
three or four states Kansas, Missouri, Florida, and there's one
or two others that warns the stuff It Yeah, that
is attempting to ban and or limit the sale of
any property to foreign entity, no matter what it is.
(29:54):
But then like Florida is aiming directly at China, right.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
And Desanta doubled down on that. I think it was
in January of this year. He had a news conference. Yeah,
January tenth, he had a news conference where he went
he was ten toes down on it. And he's the
way they write these things sometimes just say non US residents, right,
But in his case, quite publicly, he's aiming for He's
(30:24):
aiming for Chinese nationals because he believes that they are
quote dangerous foreign entities, which is totally, by the way,
not true. Not everybody is not everybody is working for
Uncle Gee, you know what I mean. That's where the
cenophobia comes in. But we've been getting a lot of
letters about this issue ever since we did two episodes
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Speaker 3 (31:50):
This one comes from Gazolo.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
I'm just gonna jump right in, gents, I subscribe to
a legislative update service in my home state of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Have to.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I'm a lawyer.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I thought you might be interested in pending legislation that
seeks to expand restrictions on who can own farmland and
land around critical infrastructure. I'm attaching the link to the
memo of the proposed changes to the law and a
copy of the bill. Here are some highlights. The amount
of farmland owned by foreign entities is up fifty thousand
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acres over last year it is expanded to prohibit certain
countries and individuals related to them. There must therefore be
evidence that nation states are getting around the law by
having proxies or individuals purchased the land. The new law
would have a cybersecurity task force. I wonder how much
access the task force will have to everyday citizens information
in the name of protecting municipal infrastructure. Well, that is
(32:45):
a question unto itself, isn't it, And I bet you
will have something to say about that going on. There
are also broad provisions that would allow the state to
review all sorts of transactions. There are also penalties to
a title company that willfully fails to comply, penalties of
up to one thousands of dollars. This is interesting in
a lot of ways, and it is clear that most
(33:06):
nations don't want to do conventional battle with the US,
i e. Guns and tanks, but they're certainly willing to
do battle in other ways. It makes you think about
the long term plan of buying up so much farmland. Thanks,
and I hope you find this interesting. We do feel
free to use it on air and use my nickname Gazolo,
(33:27):
And then Gazolo does link out to this legal database,
and I'm just gonna give a little bit more information.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
About the bill itself.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
It is from the House of Representatives, and it is
from a Representative Barbara Glme, Representative Stephanie scale A bop
skal abop scal a bop I believe that's right, and
Representative Timothy are Bonner, all House members. The subject of
the memo is just this prevent unfriendly foreign entities from
(33:58):
gaining access to and influency our institutions and assets. Very
broad language there, and I'm just going to read the
little short memo here. Over the past several years, there
has been increased attention paid to the efforts of unfriendly
foreign nations and related actors to influence our institutions and
gain ownership and access to our critical infrastructure and facilities.
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While the federal government maintains the frontline defenses against such
foreign efforts through the military and national security apparatus, the
Commonwealth has a role to play, particularly when it comes
to oversight of institutions and functions that are typically handled
at the state level. Several incidents across the nation have
highlighted some areas of concern that the Commonwealth can address.
(34:41):
The increase in ownership of domestic farmland by foreign entities
raises questions about food security. The hacking of the al
Equippa municipal authority shows the need for the Commonwealth to
provide a cybersecurity assistance to protect infrastructure. The military deemed
the purchase of three hundre and seventy acres near an
air Force base in North Dakota by a Chinese firm
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a security risk. This legislative package is designed to prevent
unfriendly foreign nations and related actors from gaining access and
influencing our institutions and assets.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And then there are some exhibits.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I guess there are some documents that are put forth
from the various sponsors of this legislative package. And there's
an interesting I'm good, I'm gonna read the whole thing,
but there's an interesting little excerpt from the first one
from Representative Glime, specifically referring to the idea of protecting
the Commonwealth's agricultural lands from acquisition by foreign entities and
(35:38):
foreign governments. It says, as a December thirty first, twenty
twenty two, more than four hundred thousand acres of farmland
in the Commonwealth is foreign owned, which amounts to two
point three percent of the privately held agricultural land. While
this is a relatively low figure in comparison to other states,
it is an increase of more than fifty thousand acres
from the previous year. The Agricultural Land Acquisition by Alien's
(36:00):
Law Act thirty nine of nineteen eighty prohibits aliens who
are not residents of the United States and foreign governments
from purchasing more than one hundred acres of farmland in
the Commonwealth. And then it goes on to talk about
how this legislation would expand upon that with some of
the reasons that our listener provided in the body of
(36:21):
the email, just in terms of, you know, looking into
is this being done through proxies, etc. So I don't know, guys,
let's just maybe start there with the idea of expanding
measures to prevent the outright land grabbing you know of
our other countries or you know, specifically what's referred to
(36:43):
as hostile kind of countries unfriendlies.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Can can we quickly just list those countries that they
put in there, because they did put countries inside that document.
I'm just going to list them really quickly, just so
we have an understanding what we're talking about. It says China, Russia, Belarus, Iran,
North Korea, Venezuela, that we just talked about Syria, and
quote other countries that do not permit Americans to purchase
farmland in their countries quid pro quote.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So the usual suspects and then the idea of reciprocity exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Gazulo.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I just want to say this letter made my day
when he wrote to it. I also really like the
way this guy writes, because he said, I've subscribed to
this I have to I'm a lawyer. It's like I
could read your shrug. Dude, that was really cool.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You guys think this is Jack Kelly. He's a lawyer.
I think that's him.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
We'll have to see a picture of hands to confirm.
But yeah, this is such a and I appreciate you
sharing out these sources, goal because this is the pickle
of it. One very important thing to remember is there
are a lot of people who say, hey, this is
just paranoia or it's a vector for racism, because if
(37:54):
you look at the entirety of the pie, then you'll
see that it's not a huge percentage of the pie.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
It was the first time I heard that two percent
number thrown around. I think in my mind it was
way more than that. But to your point, I don't
think that's entirely the issue, right.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
The issue is the rate of increase, right, not the
absolute number. The issue is the rise in percentage and
the and then also to be to say the quiet
part out loud, to be a little bit dystopian. Some
of the more long term opposition to this phenomenon comes
about from the recognition that it's going to be much
(38:34):
more difficult to get potable water and to get reliable
agricultural land where a lot of countries in the future.
It's on the way it's coming, you know. So it's
there's probably not going to be a law that stops
Nestley from extracting groundwater. But I don't know, man, it's icky,
it's complicated.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Can we just quickly brainstorm on something that Gazolo said,
the potential strategy associated with buying up law large anchorage farmland.
So it is potentially that, like you're talking about ben
just like limiting the those types of lands that the
country in which that land exists, like preventing them from
(39:13):
having access to it. I think there's something. Maybe I'm wrong.
I think there's something to having strategically placed like technological hubs,
so like a large server from which you could launch
a cyber attack more locally or just from various parts
from within the country.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That's true, that's a that's a very a student valid concern.
I would agree with that. That's not tinfoil hat stuff
at all, because it could happen very easily. I would
add to that also the idea of surveillance and sig int'
that's a huge piece of it. So you know, porque
nolos dos right, like, yeah, do all of it at once.
(39:51):
Grow some corn too.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Steal the water.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
You're talking too about Gazzolo's mention of the idea of
the broadness of some of these provisions that could allow
states to dig into maybe business that isn't even associated
with this, just in the name of trying to prevent
some of these things from happening.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well, I think, well, okay, so I'm just trying to
put myself in the position of somebody who is buying
up farmland strategically top down, like, okay, this is what
we need to do. We need to buy up farmland
in far flung areas of the country that we want
to eventually, you know, attack or weaken in some way. Right,
(40:31):
if you're thinking militarily, one thing you could do is
have decentralized literally cyber attack hubs that are coming from
within the house, right, so it's not an attack that
you could shut the pipeline down. We recently talked about
how much of the Internet traffic that we deal with
on a daily basis gets shipped across these underwater pipelines. Right,
(40:54):
if you were able to access inside the area, right,
you didn't need to go through those pipes to carry
out massive attacks on a country.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
You've already got boots on the ground, you already got
that little strategic positions of strength strongholds kind of.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I guess you can, and you wouldn't be able to
cut it off like you just cut it off immediately, right,
and especially if it's decentralized and coming from all different
parts of like farmland, from all over the country. I'm
just thinking about that, like that could be a really
dangerous thing. I'm not saying that's what's happening. I'm just
thinking that could be one of the reasons the.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
US Air Force agrees though In that New York Times
article I cited earlier, they're saying, gosh, I guess yeah.
This was in January as well. They were talking about
a Chinese company, ostensibly a private company, that bought a
corn mill in North Dakota. Very few people live in
North Dakota, relatively, but this corn mill was not far
(41:52):
from a US Air Force base. Indeed, it was close
enough to make them uncomfortable, and they, without specifying what
threat they were concerned about, they said publicly, this is
a significant threat. It poses near and long term risk
of significant impacts to our operations in the area. So
(42:13):
I take it like we all know that politicians in
this country are vulnerable to grand standing, right to chasing
the clout of public opinion, So maybe they can be
a little bit more theatrical, just to be honest. And
it's a little bit more concerning I think when the
actual armed services are saying watch out for this right
(42:36):
because what they're what they're basically saying is they don't
think it's a private company at all. WHOA.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
This goes back to the Strange News episode from this week. Well,
we need more electromagnetic warfare specialists. Those are the memory
of it. We said, those are the guys that disrupt
and enemy electronics systems with directed energy. Ooh, just aim
at the corner mill or what was it?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, silo.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
I like, also, you know, we have to exercise empathy.
There are a lot of people who get jobs at
these places and they're just you know, they're nationals from
a different country, and they're like, all right, well, I
got to set up this corn mill, and now people
think up double O seven what gives you know, that's
very stressful. It's a sorry, very stressful to work in agriculture.
(43:25):
But it's also very tough to find the line of
this kind of thing because, again, without sounding too conspiratorial,
here's how these things can sometimes happen. It happens a
lot with students you are let's say, I'm not I
don't want to pick on China here, but it's the
most it's a plausible example. You're a student, you get
(43:47):
something like a scholarship from the government of China to
travel to you know, Europe, or to travel to Japan,
or to travel to the United States or Canada, et c.
And then while you're there, just a regular student, they
start asking you questions on the other side, right back home,
and these questions that they're asking may not necessarily seem
(44:10):
sinister or you know, evil stuff, but they're also the
people who paid for your education, and they might give
you advice on jobs that you should get right, and
that might be very specific advice. And that's a concern
to the US intelligence operations, which is again, it's terribly
unfair to the majority of people, the vast majority of
(44:31):
people who are just like I want to study physics
at MIT, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Guys, Yeah, do you think the United States is particularly
vulnerable to this kind of thing because of kind of
the motto of the country of come on in and
let's let's try things out.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Let's make some money too. And I know what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
I just mean, that's where the xenophobia kind of can
start to creep.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
I know.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
But it makes me wonder why there appears to be
such a movement over the past what ten a little
less than ten years towards that in not just the
United States, but especially in the Western countries about we
have to be careful, we have to watch out, and
we got to protect what's ours.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
And yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I just wonder if like that stance of openness and
like let's have a global let's embrace globalization to its
fullest extent. Then like the it's a psychological pushback or
something because of the perceived dangers.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Yeah, honestly, man, I don't know if I would use
the word vulnerable, because we have to remember in these
kind of situations we're not really talking about moral absolutes
or good versus bad guys. It's very much a two
way street, and the US is doing the same things.
And there again, it sounds like Tinker Taylor's Soldier Spece
(46:00):
eye level things, but it does happen, and it's there's
a cost benefit, I guarantee you Somewhere there's been a
conversation where they're saying, well, are we able to risk
the potential cost of compromisation? As you said, uh, is
it worth? Is that gamble worth? The benefit we get
from having some people that study with us and then
(46:22):
go back to their home countries and you know, get
some specific job advice like yeah, that can I don't know,
And that's.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Ah was coming off as you, Yeah, absolutely well.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
And it also makes me think about, like it all
of the xenophobia that we see and that has been,
you know, happening for a long time. Is that a
pushback against like the intent of the quote unquote founding fathers?
Like and and where did that whole attitude come from
in the first place, the idea of give us you're tired,
you're hungry, and all that. What does make the United
(46:57):
States special? Coming from a bunch of you know, people
who today would be looked at largely very problematic, you know,
and obviously slavery still resulted, you know, despite the Constitution.
I just wonder, I don't know, I'm sorry, I'm being
a little muddled to what I'm trying to get at.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
I just like, like, are we really practicing what we preach?
Speaker 5 (47:20):
And like do we still kind of have that open
arms mentality at all?
Speaker 4 (47:24):
I mean, has this country ever like the overtime windows
shifts back and forth, you know, And even in the
days when the US became a thing, even in the
days of their most open immigration policies, they were still
very specific about countries they did and didn't, like, you
know what I mean, It's way easier to migrate to
(47:45):
the US from Ireland than it is from say, like
Burkina Fassa or something, and that is by design, and
there's a lot of nasty stuff baked into that policy.
With this, I don't know it is.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
This is more about if you have money, then we'll
we'll talk, we'll do business.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Pretty much, to be honest, and it irritates me so much.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Pretty much every country has a special just for rich
people residency like a golden passport. Basically if you and
some of them, by the way, some of those prices
are surprisingly low, tell us your favorite, but then a
lot of them are like astronomically high, like New Zealand
will take your money and just let you live there.
(48:28):
Many countries will. But it's a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
At one time or what like how does it work?
It's like, is it like a bribe, you know.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Not directly bribe to them, but I'm sure there are
a couple like Viigs a little vigorous there. But it's
more like you will get this special residency opportunity if
you agree to invest like one hundred thousand dollars US
in businesses in the country or you know, much higher prices.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
Possibly for a longer term than just one time. I
guess the results may vary, perhaps.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
See I'm reading here, guys, It says you must be
able to invest seven hundred and fifty thousand New Zealand
dollars in New Zealand's economy and keep it for.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
At least two years.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, and then you can get a temporary retirement visitor visa.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
That is definitely a rich people deal right there.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
Everything about that, I mean in terms of retirement you know,
like wow.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Oh, one of the highest numbers actually is Austria. It
is if you invest nine point five million US dollars equivalent,
then the wow question.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
This is a little bit off the topic, but because
of Brexit, are UK citizens now no longer as easily
able to immigrate to other countries in the European Union.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
It's still TBD, it's still early days.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah, but I think you guys, I just watched my neighbor.
I saw a flash of white. I'm on the second
floor of my house, and I could see my neighbor
just like what like forty five maybe fifty miles per
hour into their garage and they landed. They stuck the landing,
but it was just really scary to watch the sash.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
I see that, and I see that, I usually think
someone really asked to use the restroom, that's the that's
a poop park, you.
Speaker 9 (50:29):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I think that's exactly what was it scary? It genuinely
it alarmed me.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
So and some of the things we're talking about here
are are genuinely alarming, but they are really important.
Speaker 9 (50:41):
We have good we have to we have to think about,
Like one important point do you want to hit here,
is that regardless of how you fall on the ideas
of real estate or immigration or you know, ideology and
spirit versus ideology and practice, we have to remember that
there are a lot of totally innocent people who have
(51:01):
busted their asses to get to the United States.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
And often the problem with crafting laws like this is
they're not targeting the real problem. They're targeting people who
don't have the legal wherewithal to defend themselves, even if
they are innocent. So it's I don't know, maybe someone
can solve it. Can you think Cazola can solve it?
Speaker 5 (51:22):
I think he's interested in it and certainly seems to
have the right tools to at least be informed on it.
And we really appreciate you sharing those tools with us,
because this is new and I haven't seen this reporter
on at all even within all of the context of
the research that you know, we've we've we've discussed on
this topic.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
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