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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Dolan.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want
you to know. Dylan Young Tennessee. It's listener mail. You
know what time it is. Where's our sound for today,
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Time to dig up the rude begas.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yes, yes, the joke that only gets better as we
refuse to explain it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Age is like a fine something that ages, and I
think is the thing people typically say.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Sure, wine, cheese, a good fart, oh no, which is
a little bit of foreshadowy they call it in the business. Folks.
If you are listening to our weekly listener mail segment,
the evening to publish is let us welcome you to Thursday,
March twentieth, twenty twenty five. We're going to have some
follow ups on our Manchester Pusher episode from previously did
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not expect the sheer amount of really well thought out
correspondence we received for that one. Apparently we're known in
Greater Manchester. Guys.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Okay, cool, I love Manchester.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Just just a heads up, you know, when we find
ourselves out that way, we're going to learn a little
bit about trillionaires and fossile fuels. We might have some
fart jokes, we might have some serious conversations about diplomatic immunity.
But before we do any of that, have you ever
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looked at one of your non human animal buddies and thought,
I wonder what you're thinking about. I wonder how you metacognate?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
What are they building in there their animal minds? Is
the question? Yeah, no, I certainly do Ben, as do
we all.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, And we have to we have to admit we're
pleased as punch about the first wonder we have to
share with you, which we'll do right after a break
for a word from our sponsors.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And we've returned with a fabulous and a very rich,
dense letter from a listener referring to themselves as dognition.
Wouldn't be mad, they say, if we came up with
something more clever than that I don't know if that's possible.
That's very good given the content of the letter. But
first we're going to start with a little bit of
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a personal story that Dognition sends us as relates to
current events. I'm going to keep the name of this
company out of it for fear of any kind of retribution.
Let's just put it this way. My last company dealt
with electrical parts, supplying electrical parts to various manufacturers. One
of our offices had a contract with the Tesla gigafactory.
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We supplied an on site trailer full of parts and
when they needed certain supplies, they'd go grab them from
the trailer. We had a salesperson check in with them
and order supplies as needed. Sometime into our business relationship,
accounts receivable flagged Tesla for not paying for the parts
they were taking. Tesla claim they didn't have records for
who they'd paid. They just told us that all we
needed to do was supply the invoice they'd sent us,
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then they would pay us. We couldn't find it, of course,
it was most likely they never sent it, and we
weren't the only supplier with concerns. And then Dognition links
out to an article talking about some other sticky situations
involving Tesla. The amount they owed to US was around
a million dollars. So there you go, just a little
bit of an insider of perspective on a big company
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and a big personality that's in the news right now.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I hear the president of the US is selling Tesla cars.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I heard that as well. Some of the actions that
the President has taken have led to some pretty serious
losses in the stock market, including losses sustained by his
dear pal Elon Musk's company Tesla in question here, and
it lost quite a bit of its value. And it
would appear the President is trying to I don't know,
remedy that I guess, even though it would seem that
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it's a problem that he himself caused. And I know,
the ecosystem that is the US financial market is very
complex and there's a lot going on, and maybe it's
not as simple as that, but we did talk about
this idea of market manipulation. But it would also seem
that maybe some of these things were not intended, and
it seems like he's trying to give a little leg
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up to his buddy Elon by turning the lawn of
the White House into a car lot. It's a little weird. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Did you guys hear about the suspicious Tesla sales thing
that happened in Canada recently?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
There's this, you know, the EV programs, like government sponsored
EV programs, where there's an incentive.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, exactly, incentives to the buyer as well.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Correct, exactly, and well across the board, yep. But the
reason why more cars move in general is because the
buyer gets a tax break or something like that, a
reduction in price over the electric vehicle.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It's like putting solar panels on your house. You know,
there are certain subsidies that you qualify for and you
get a portion of that paid for by the government.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh yeah, So there was one happening in Canada and
they had already it facilitated around five hundred thousand electric
vehicles being sold right and right as that window ends.
Because these aren't like, it's not a it's not a
thing that just happens in perpetuity. It is a program
that basically goes for a certain amount of time then
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it ends. Well, that's what happened in Canada, and all
of a sudden. Right at the end, eight six hundred
Teslas were sold, and in one day in one location
where Teslas are sold on two hundred of the vehicles
were sold, which is a little bit. Those are.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Great numbers. Those are objectively great number. Also, to answer
your earlier question, dognition, if I could just off the
top freestyle a couple of terrible alternatives to the nickname
you suggest because you opened the door, you invited us
in the void, writes back. In addition to dognition, help
me out here, guys, what would be a good poodle sception? Yeah,
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a cor giation.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Chill wow, wow factor, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Hypotha shazoo. It's pretty good, you know, like, let's just
mess with us, all right. Those are four suggestions, unless Matt,
you got one.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, I just can't think on my feet like that.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Oh what are you talking about? You just keep one
in your back pocket for later, but really quickly talking
about Tesla situations while we're at it. I don't know
if you guys also saw about the fire in Seattle
that torched for Tesla cyber trucks, apparently speaking of the
idea of designating some of these actions as domestic terrorism,
it's just such a bizarre situation we find ourselves in
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where the line between private corporations and private industry is
just more blurred than ever when it comes to the
way the government is dealing with it and with this
private citizen that's being given so much power. Though it
does seem that maybe some of those powers are being
rolled back a little bit after much protest from the
actual elected officials that are running some of these agencies
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that Musks doze operation have kind of we're given carp
blanche to sort of dismantle, So we'll see, we'll see
what happens with that. But that is really not the
main reason why. As you can tell by the nickname,
the dog Nish wrote into us, and they say, enough
about that. Here's a bunch of stuff about animals. This
is mostly a bunch of my experiences, but there's some
science stuff in there too, Thank you for that. And
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then this is a really in depth amount with quite
a few examples of animal cognition and some I's going
to read a few of my favorites, so I'm gonna
start here. I've mentioned before having some experience, and this
is a listener's written into us multiple times, having some
experience in the animal welfare world and dabbling and becoming
an animal behavior consultant. A good friend of mine was
my mentor for this journey, and she co authored this
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book and links to the book called Canine Enrichment for
the Real World, Making It a Part of Your Dog's
Life by Ali Bender CDBC and Emily Strong CDBC. Something
I want to point out about this book is how
well researched it is. This friend is fact oriented and
science minded, which we love here on stuff they don't
want you to know. We held some workshops for budding
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behavior consultants at some local shelters, and I had the
great fortune of accompanying her for some behavioral consultations in
pre pandemic times. My focus was around understanding the sort
of skeletal framework of behavior coupled with the ethogram for
whatever species I might try to work with. While I
remain no more than a hobbyist, what I have learned
to see has provided small glimpses into the rich inner
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world of our pet animals. My own dog, Lucky and
I share an understanding that most pet owners don't reach.
I give him agency to make choices that pet parents
often don't consider, and he sort of learns how to
bridge some of those outcomes to other forms of communication.
I learned to listen to what that is by paying
close attention to the behaviors he expresses. The most recent
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way this has played out is in his cooperative care routines.
Luck He's an older dog, so I don't want to
risk anesthesia to get his dental work done if I
can help it. Instead, I taught him to lay on
his side while I slowly and gently scraped tartar build
up from his teeth with very sharp instruments in exchange
for some treats. I've accidentally poked his gums only a
couple of times, and he will flinch, but will take
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care to keep holding still. If he wants a break,
he taps my hand with his paw. When he's ready
to start again, he lays back down on his side
and presents his face. He is op in for this.
When I ask, do you want to work on your teeth?
He jumps up excitedly and runs for the room where
we do most of his grooming. So he is opting
in to holding very still while I shine a bright
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light around his face manipulate his lips and gums and
accidentally poke sensitive parts of his mouth on the occasion.
He chooses this without having made him do anything he
doesn't want to do at any step along the way.
Pretty fantastic. I hear Matt in the background coaxing his
dog Meadow with a little bit of animal cognition himself.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, she's just reacting to something going on down there.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
One more quick story and then we'll move on. And
I want to hear about y'all's experiences with the stuff
with your own pets. My neighbor's husky, Jasper, wouldn't go
inside when he was called. It didn't matter what they
offered him. They kept trying to give him treats so
they could grab him, so he stopped responding to food.
It was bad enough that one day they asked me
to go help them get him inside because he wasn't
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listening and they needed to go out. Their long term
solution was to attach a long line to him when
they needed to let him outside. When those neighbors went
on a trip for a week, I watched their dogs
for them during that time, I said challenge, accept it.
I let Jasper out without his long line, then held
treats behind my back at a height he could reach.
That way, he could take them without fear of me
trying to grab his collar. We practiced that until he
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was comfortable walking around somewhat near me. Next, I taught
him a queue for play that meant we were going
to chase each other back and forth across the yard.
After playing tag for a little while, I went inside,
left his water bowl just inside the door and walked
away so he could get water and go back out
if he wanted. To get him to come back inside,
I just asked if he wanted to go on a walk,
and wrapped up our sessions with a walk through the neighborhood.
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After doing this for three or four days, on the
fifth day, I accidentally discovered that his favorite game isn't chase,
it's tug. He very gently grabbed a stick I was
holding for my hand. When he got it from me,
he ran away as normal, but this time he's self handicapped,
so I could catch up and pull on the stick.
I just think this is so cool. I don't know
guys like this is beyond to me just basic training
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you know of an animal. This is you know, this
behavioral aspect of it and the idea of what is
going on with their cognition and trying to explore that
and trying to use that to consensually, you know, do
stuff together with your for baby or whatever. I think
it's really really neat, and it doesn't really strike me
as the same as like, you know, using behavioral modification
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exactly to like make a dog do a trick or something.
I don't know. It may well just be the perspective
that it's being represented here from dognition, and there's a
certain empathy and kindness and and very you know, I
don't know, animal focused attitude here. But I don't know
what you guys think about this kind of stuff, Like
is this different than just your standard run of the mill,
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you know, obedience courses or is there something more at
play here?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I would argue yes. In check out check out the
show Ridiculous History. I wrote a two part episode we
did on how dogs became domesticated in the first place,
and domestication is a superpower. There is something fascinating here
with the question of, you know, the dilemma of anthropomorphizing
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or projecting upon a non human animal your own interpretations
of patterns. But dogs are a little different. These types
of canines are a little more rom com with those
scrappy upstarts of the primate world. The humans dogs do experience.
A lot of animals actually experienced tremendous emotional depth, and
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dogs have not just cognitively but corgatively, not just evolved
there to interact with humans, but also they have physically evolved, right,
just like the number of muscles around the eyes and
the sockets of the eyes are are entirely meant to
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interact with humans, and a dog can of course perceive
things that a human cannot. That's why they make such
a great team together. I will always be fascinated by
the studies that show your dog may not just be
reacting to your behavior, your intonation, or your smell. They
may be reacting to past information about you and predicting
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your behavior based on that, just like you would do
right with your dog. Also, they're one of the few
non human animals that understands pointing, which is massive. That's crazy.
Other primates don't really get it. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
And Matt, you know, as I mentioned, you were kind
of doing some stuff with meta your pop. Does any
of this resonate with you or any experience that you've
had in communicating with her.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, there's a lot of cognitive behavioral therapy in there.
And you guys know I've talked before my ex wife
was a cognitive behavioral therapist. I think that's what CBT
stands for. And I think CBS might the s might
be specialist because that's another title you can have. And
often this stuff is applied to working with humans, and
when you apply it to dogs, it works. It sure
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does work. Just trying to but it is it is
behavioral modification, but it isn't forced, right, it's just you.
You teach, you literally teach you guide, yeah, exactly, and
you teach well, when I do this, it means that.
And now now when you do that, you get this
and if you want that, you show me that action. Right.
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It's really cool stuff. It's pretty amazing. I haven't been
as successful in any way as dignition has here in
some of those things. But again, a dog is like
five six years old, like Meadow, that's my dog. She
will learn things very quickly if you just show things
with kindness, consistency and kindness and just that thing that's
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just well, here is what is happening. And what will
happen every time?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, so volunteering at different shelters here in our fair
metropolis of Atlanta, you can you can see exactly what
you're describing their matt which is first off, I hope
this is not a hot take or a polemical opinion,
but I don't think there are any bad dogs. I've
met dogs that people said were bad and it was
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just really it was their interaction with the people that
informed their behavior to that point. So hopefully no bad dogs.
I love what you're what was it, hypothesis, hypothesis, I'll
forget it. I'll forget it after this, But great, great
questions dognition, especially because we are all extremely pro animal
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even counting the naked mul rat. You know, it's not
their fault.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
It's nuts, it's not doing their best.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Huge thanks for writing into us about the Little Tesla
Insider tidbit and some of these examples of using this
kind of cognition based training on dog. By the way,
the two authors of that book that was referenced are
credited as being cbdc's which stands for a Certified Dog
Behavior Consultant, So that's an official certification that you have
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to get so thanks again, and we're going to take
a quick break here a word from our sponsor, and
then come back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And we've returned, guys, surprise, we're jumping to the bow lines. First,
We've got a very important message from Sergeant Riggs.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Hey, guys, please call me. Sergeant Riggs, just wanting to
let you know I'm really excited for the upcoming episode.
You guys teased about diplomatic community. I have a little
bit experience with that. Back in the eighties.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I was a LAPD detective and I was chasing after
these South African drug dealers who happen to have diplomatic Well,
after a shootout with my partner and the bad guys,
eventually got to shoot the main bad guy in the
head as I told him, as diplomatic community just expired.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
That'd be great if you guys comment on that.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Very famous incident. But all right, rigs out.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Which Lethal Weapon movie is that from?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
That's the first one, baby, go google. Uh, we just
thought that was terribly fun, Sergeant Riggs. There, which is
a one of the characters, one of the partners in
lethal Weapons. Yeah, Martyridy Higgs just describing you know, the plot. Basically,
we do have to note, Sergeant Riggs, if you are
(18:45):
actually Sergeant Riggs, you did not fire that shot and
that line that was your partner Roger Murtau.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Credit where it's due, Sergeant. Uh, don't take this investigation money,
you know what I mean? Matt, you and I we're
talking a little bit off air. This is one of
the ones that got me towards the end.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yes, exactly. I wait a second, and this sounds familiar,
and we don't want to spoil anything, but I mean
to kind of just spoil part of that movie Lethal Weapon,
a Mel Gibson movie worth your time.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Indeed.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
And by the way, when Danny Glover said that famous
line about being too old for this ish, he was
forty years old and playing a fifty year old. Oh wow, unrelatable.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Like it's like how there For many decades in television,
the serious high school drama shows all had students who
were about thirty.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yep, wow, that's about right.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's about yeah. But that was a nice one. Yeah,
thank you so much. It rakes.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Well, let's get to just quickly. We're gonna we should
do a whole episode of Diplomatic community, and we've touched
on it many a time on the show.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
What we have an episode on the way for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
We really are, but just to put it out there
so you're ready when that comes. That is a weird
little situation where a diplomat from Country A can go
to Country B, and while they are inside Country B
doing their business whatever it is, they have complete immunity
from the laws from the jurisdiction of country Oh, I'm
(20:24):
confused country by Well, why did I say this? You
gotta go, you gotta do it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So you're in country B, right, you nailed it. Country
b's laws are are applied to you in a different
way based on your diplomatic status from as a representative
of Country A.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yes, and real legal immunity for things like you can
the lawsuit isn't going to happen. You aren't going to
get prosecuted while you're in that country depending right.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah, that's why we're doing an episode on this because,
I uh, the the examples can be as innocuous as well.
This guy just doesn't pay parking tickets in Manhattan. Yeah,
all the way up to hey, you know what is murder? Really?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yes, but that doesn't that also extend to like their
political pouch and list of the materials they might be carrying.
They're not at they are not subject to search and
seizure either for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And just the concept of this goes way, way, way,
way way back that you've got some representatives from another
place coming to speak with the top top men and
women in your place, and they have different cultures, different
more's different everything. So while they're in your country, you
just kind of have to let them do what they
do and interact with you, and then they can head
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back theoretically in the nice way, right, And we're going
to talk about how that could be abused so.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Quickly, abused, weaponized, leveraged. I remember speaking with I remember
speaking with representativetives of the North Korean government who made
a rare trip to the United States and they were
on a tour you could call it, pushing for their
perspective on the nuclear narrative across the planet. And one
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of the most disappointing things bracketing everything else out, one
of the most disappointing things was how bellicos just bad
vibe their American minders were, you know, like interrupting questions
rephrasing things, making sure that they got their propaganda out
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as well. It's just, oh, diplomatic immunity. What a bag
of badgers. I can't wait, can't wait to dive in.
And if you have diplomatic immunity right to us, you
know what I mean, give us the tips.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
A diplomatic pouch of badgers, if you will.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That would be great to incorporate into our pouch that
we will present to you all of its contents.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
No secrets here, well, there are a lot of secrets depending.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah. Used, Well there we are. Thank you so much there,
Sergeant Riggs for sending that message to us. Let's go
to Big Randy. I have talked about this one so
many times, we never actually played it. This is just
a thought experiment for us because I have used search terms,
every combination I can think of to find like a
real answer to that which is posed here within Big
Randy's message, and I cannot find it. So let's just
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have a little discussion after we hear from Big Randy.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Hey, guys, this is Big Randy. I was just listening
to the episode that y'all are talking about some of
the people that are millionaires, billionaires and I believe that
read an article with said something about some agency had
found out that there's probably going to be, according to
their projections, five trillionaires in the next year. And I
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have to tell you that we've got trillionaires for quite
a while. I just retired from a company that we
provided have visibility, security and transportation.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Or people like that.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
And whenever you hear the richest man in the world
or the richest person in the world, that's the richest
person in the world that reports their income to Forbes
Forbes magazine. We've had trillionaires and Dubai and other places
in Saudi Arabia all the way back to I wanted
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to say the late eighties as the latest mid nineties.
That's how far back my career goes. And I know
for a fact that I met a trillionaire and the
early mid nineties, and that was one of the sheik
Muhammads from the oil industries from Dubai. So don't fool
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yourselves in thinking that Elon Musk or you know, the
Amazon founder or whoever fill in the blank, has more
juice or more power than anybody else on the planet.
That's not the case. That's only in the public eye
and the public eye. That might be what's important to
us because we're just normal people. But in the world
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I the people that run the world, they all look
to Saudi Arabia. There might be other places where they
have trillionaires. It's been often debated and talked about that
Putin is one of the richest men in the world,
if not the richest man in the world, but there's
no accountability or accounting, no public accounting of his wealth.
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The same could be said for the leader of North Korea,
and uh maybe even other countries they might have, but
as far as I know, the only trillionaires that I
know of, and at least one, at least one that
I've met, is from Saudi Arabia. Anyway, you're more than
welcome to use my voice if you want to, and
if not, that's all right. That's your show. You can
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do what the hell you want. Have a great day,
love the show.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Too, big. Randy's the best.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, you had mentioned this encounter, Matt in a previous conversation,
but hearing it, you know, directly from them, it gives
it a whole other feel.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I just want to get y'all's opinion on that. The
concept that because I understand wealth, right, especially oil wealth
that's been around for generations, but I don't understand the
concept of potentially a trillion, like a trillion dollars or
more worth of that wealth being somewhere and hidden from
public eye.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
One hundred percent happens. Yeah, we talked about this previously
on an episode or one of these conversations. Like the
difficulty which you point out so beautifully, big Randy, is
the conversation between how wealth is measured and how wealth
is portrayed, right, or how it is shown to the
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average public. Like you could argue, I've said this before,
you could argue Mansa Musa was a trillionaire right in function,
the guy who was so wealthy that he broke economies
of northern Africa just by traveling back in the day.
I think our tricky thing here is how is our
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metric for measuring what value means? Because once you get
to the billionaire class, that there's great liquidity in that value, right,
it changes day to day based on the stock market
or so on, and with and putin is a great
example of how it can become impossible to know the true,
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the true quote unquote wealth of a single human individual,
especially because at that threshold, it's not just them. There
are multiple proxies, their entire small armies of accountants. Right.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, yeah, yeah, because you've got that wealth for anybody
above a certain level is stuck in accounts, stuck in
you know, things that are tied to stocks, the units
that are tied to how well a currency is doing, right,
that kind of thing, or how.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Well natural resource is doing.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yes, futures, commodities, futures, all that stuff. But I guess.
But the thing I always forget our discussions about how
wealthy individuals and corporations will put money in places like Panama,
right or in Swiss accounts back in the day. Maybe
less now because people be known about that stuff now.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, it used to be the wealthy version of putting
money in a postagejar and burying it in your backyard.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well, so that kind of wealth is there too, but
that wouldn't be reported in any way. So there is
the potential for even people in Forbes lists to be
well above where they are right now. It's just this concept,
especially in the Middle East. Think about Saudi Arabia, United
Arab Emirate, at some of these places where that generational
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wealth is built, but often it's tied to a family
business or something right or to and that stuff is
like traded or it is reported by law, and there's
just no body there that has a trillion dollars or
no company even that has a trillion dollars.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Well, let's put it this way. How about this, and
folks walk with us here, tell us what you think,
and Matt and oil, tell me what you think as well.
What if it works like this, Big Brandy can't wait
to hear from you. What if you are as he said, Matt,
you are generational wealth. And in this case it is
defined as a percentage off the top of a proven
(29:30):
natural resource. Right, and then your percentage becomes a function
or magnified by the current estimates of how much fossil
fuel or how much insert resource here is present right
the proven reserves. And then you have to play a
little bit of arcane math and do some gaming with
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the price to Knowle's point about those reserves right over time.
So if you have somehow a small percentage or we
would call it a deal point on some kick ass
oil fields, whatever you're poisoning is there, then the value
the rest of the world assigns to those reserves can
have a tremendous influence on what is seen as your
(30:16):
observable wealth or value, But it's still not quite the
same thing. Like, nobody has a briefcase right now with
the trillion dollars in it, because it's super inconvenient. You
would have to check that when you fly.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Imagine that that would be the size of the Chrystler building.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I can't even possibly imagine the physical manifestation of that
much money. Do you guys have a of any thoughts
around though the whole diplomacy aspect of like you know who,
to what degree do individuals with this amount of money,
you know, receive deference from the elon musks and presidents
(30:53):
and you know other billionaires of the world, And how
are they able to stay so anonymous?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Well, the real advantages at that threshold, at only hypothetically,
would be things like privacy, right, one of the immensely
eroded resources of our time. We talked about this in
the past. The second big difference is to your question access.
So if you are past a certain financial threshold and
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you say, you watch something on TV, right, and you
hear something on the radio and you say, I want
to meet that person. You know, this Mariah Carey seems
like a real up and comer. Then you can just
have your people get you on the phone with Mariah Carey.
If you like a good stock, you can just have
your people get you on the phone with whomever is
(31:43):
in charge of that stock. The access is one of
the primary operational differences up there with privacy. It is
entirely possible and plausible to seek to hide, hide, or
distribute wealth such that you don't become a public figure, right, Yeah,
God forbid an icon. It for class struggle.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Well, and I guess you know some of the folks
over here that have become figureheads of the companies that
maybe generated so much wealth of them, many of them
desire that limelight or it's too late for them to
bow out of the public guide.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, it's like I mentioned a few weeks back. You know,
there's this struggle people arrive at. I can't remember whether
this is on air, there's a struggle people arrive at
in our distry, even where you have to ask yourself,
do I pursue, you know, approval, the power of being
publicly known, or do I go more c suite do
(32:38):
I become an executive, right who moves behind the throne?
You know, there's a there's a delima there, right, because
sometimes those things can be mutually exclusive, or we could
argue that because clearly, for instance, not to dunk on
them too hard. Again, But Elon Musk made the decision
to be a public figure because there is power in
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public attention, the kind of wealth. That's true if it'll work.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Well, and it's a two way street. I mean, because
as we know, it seems like Elon Musk made a
lot of groundwork to have the kind of influence that
he's been handed. But it would also seem that wielding
that influence has not necessarily been directly good for his
bottom line because of how public it is.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, it is interesting that somebody with that kind of
wealth and power could give you a call. As you're saying, Ben,
there people just get a hold of you, and all
you hear on the phone is person X is interested
in what you're doing and would like to contribute. And
everybody or you know, in the operation of whatever you're doing,
here's that and says, oh, that's millions of dollars at
(33:40):
least we need to take that call and then what
does that? How does how could that potentially shape what
is being done?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Right, mister Gibson, I have a huge, fat, no lethal weapon.
Thank you for making the time today on the yacht
rig Yeah, people can get touched.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yep. All right, Well there you go, guys. Thank you
so much, Big Randy. We're giving us that little thought experiment.
Thank you, Sergeant Riggs.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Again.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
And we have returned with a follow up to our
earlier episode on the Manchester Pusher. The Manchester Pusher Please
do check out the episode if you have a yet.
The Manchester Pusher is an allegation or theory similar to
the one we see in the Smiley Face murders. The
concept is that in the Greater Manchester area many people,
(34:38):
often dudes right, who have fallen into canals or drowned
and their body's been found in a canal. The idea
is that they are purposely being murdered by some sort
of active serial killer or killers. The official explanation, which
has always been pretty consistent by the way, is that
no these are drowning and maybe people were intoxicated through
(35:03):
a drug or alcohol, or maybe the weather was bad
and they simply slipped. This was a controversial phenomenon to cover,
to explore, and we want to thank everybody who took
the time to write to us regarding this. I don't
know about you, guys, but I was absolutely astonished to
find just how many people reached out and directly contacted us.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, there lots of great messages about this episode.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So we'd like to share just a couple of these. One,
you know, one we can start with. We mentioned some
of these in a previous Listener Mail segment. One that
we can start with, however, is another thing. I had
teased this for a while. Law enforcement in Manchester contacted us.
We'll give them anonymity, but they contacted us with a
(35:56):
lot of great information. I'm thinking maybe we can read
just a little bit of this message from a local
police constable. Okay, GMP Bobby writes to us and says, hello, loves,
there's a photo of me at work. I work for
the GMP, And without getting two into the weeds, this
(36:17):
person did prove their bona fides to us, and GMP
Bobby says, I love this episode. I've been meaning to
send you an email for some time to discuss the pusher.
I know a few months ago you discussed a similar
thing in a city in the US. Camp for the
life of me, remember which. Look, I can't pretend I
have even come close to working for Major Investigation Team MIT.
(36:39):
Different MIT, the unit that would investigate murders and the like. However,
I work on the City of Manchester Central District. This
covers the city center and the areas with the highest
volume of nighttime economy. The pusher is the sort of
theory that a lot of us in the GMP like
to talk about a lot, and we'll pass the mic
(37:01):
here Matt, GMP Bobby is responding to some questions we
raised about closed circuit television.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It continues, I just want to clear some things up. Yes,
there is a lot of CCTV. It actually isn't that
hard to get. The majority of CCTV in the city
center is covered by the local authority. Almost all businesses
will supply CCTV with a simple form for information disclosure,
so that really isn't a problem. We also had the
powers to seize CCTV if someone is being obstructive. CCTV, however,
(37:33):
does not cover vast parts of the canals. The majority
of the canals in the city center do have railings
to prevent this sort of thing. However, once you leave
the city center there are no barriers. The canals span
miles and miles of the Greater Manchester area. Railing all
of them would cost a bloody fortune. Also, there would
be some arguments for the barge boat owners. I dare say, which.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
We encounter later, and some other correspondence. Now, gee, Bobby
moves on to walk us through encountering a canal. Noel,
do you want to hit us with this one?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
For sure? The canals can be the quickest way if
you are a pedestrian to leave the city. And if
you're pissed up, I guess that means drunk and your
phone has died, So no GPS the easiest way to
navigate to your house. It would be tempting, but also
you'd be an idiot. I live in a suburb on
a canal. I have often walked to the city along
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the canal. It can be nice on a good day
when it's well lit. They are very dark at night, however,
unbelievably dark. The canals are also used a lot by
criminals or people cruising. They are also used a lot
by lads wanting to take a piss on a weekend night.
I imagine that actually means urinating into the canals. Some
(38:49):
areas of the canals are steep, very steep. If you
hit that cold water drunk, you ain't getting out Once
the panic sets, in.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Which we appreciate the confirmation Bobby of something we were
discussing on that episode. Bobby continues to talk about the demographic,
the demographic commonalities of the victims. One of my favorite
lines there is I would say males tend to be
the ones to choose to walk home from a drunken
(39:19):
night out. But of course I would say that I'm
a cop d And so we got this in depth report.
I do want to share a few final pieces of
this correspondence. And as you guys know, I corresponded directly
with this person and many other people who wrote to us,
and in every single case we received a lot of support.
(39:42):
We received a lot of people who have their own
details and experiences surrounding this. So you are primary sources
there in Manchester, and if you wrote to us, thank you.
Here's one thing Bobby wants all of us to know
at home. Bobby continues, Whilst you are correct and that
we are massively underfunded, we do go out of our way.
I have attended no end of jobs as a response
(40:05):
cop of people falling in. By the time we arrived,
usually in minutes, the person is already out with a
blanket and a cup of tea. Likewise, a lot of
jobs come in with reports of bodies in the water.
These are taken very seriously, even if it ends up
just being get this guy's garbage floating about.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I can imagine seeing something in the waters down there
if it's that dark. Yeah, as Bobby's describing, it's like
I should probably call someone.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, what would you do? You know if you saw
this at it's three in the morning or something. Are
you going to run over there to the canal?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
You're going to dial nine nine nine or whatever the
thing is.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
It's totally escaping to me where I heard this, but
it was definitely in like a British comedy where someone
referred to a kind of a low life element as
the type the hangaround canals. Interesting and I had never
quite got that reference until now.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Oh sorry, guys, I was going to make a reference
to Skyrim. You know that that city center that has
the canals, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
And Skyrim still slaps what's the what's the bar?
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Where the the something flaggering flagging? There's the ragged flags,
the ragged flagging flagging.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I've played this game too often, right, Uh? So Bobby
continues and says, Look, no police officer wants to end
up in coroner's court for not doing their job. Which
Bobby also, we didn't know that was a thing. Uh
And Bobby says, we're not perfect. I do believe we
all try our very best, especially when it comes to
investigations that involve a death or an accident or otherwise.
(41:47):
So Bobby says something really diplomatic here, I, by no
means want to diminish the worries and concerns of those
people who have lost loved ones. There is an if
there is a conspiracy, I am not privy to that,
and I have not watch the documentaries. I love this
phrase too much, like a bus man's holiday for me,
but I may very well do so. Now, had you
(42:09):
guys ever heard the phrase bus man's holiday?
Speaker 6 (42:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Okay, so neither we wrote to ask about it. And
apparently a bus man's holiday is meaning that you are
on vacation, but you still do your job. So it's
sort of I guess a comparison of that would be
us taking a day off from podcasting just to listen
to podcasts.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Sure, also the way we take vacation in general.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Just yeah, And with this we we won't have time
to get to all of the rest of the correspondence,
but we we got some great hot fuzz references. We
got people who noted there are similar theories in Bristol,
a nearby a nearby area also riddled with canals, And
we got a lot of requests you guys to go
(42:58):
to a live show in Manchester. What do we say? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah,
football Club oh Man, which we mentioned, yeah, Chester United, Yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
You I keep seeing an image of what is it?
What is the title, Bobby? What is Bobby's title?
Speaker 3 (43:22):
GMP, Bob, GMP Bobby.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Did you guys watch the show the Fall?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Are you aware of that one? I see Jillian Anderson talking?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, all right, now, before we wrap up, we had
a lot of questions on various social media platforms and
emails and so on regarding why we had a string
of classic episodes. We talked about this recently, but one
thing we did promise our friends and family over on.
Here's where it gets crazy. Our Facebook page is that
(43:55):
we had a lot of fart jokes. So to close
out tonight's listener mail, if we may, we'd like to,
instead of letters from home, send you some fart jokes
that we're really proud of, slash ashamed of. Yes, yeah, okay,
we'll keep it all right, All right, here we go. Hey, guys,
why should you never fart on an elevator?
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Many reasons. It's it's very rude.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
It's wrong on so many levels.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Oh that's good, yes, related one. Yeah, guys, I just
released my own fragrance. Nobody on the elevator seemed to
like it.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
They didn't care for it.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Speak of parallel thinking. Here's when Tennessee pal Uh said,
as well, be careful with this joke. It's an antique,
but we love it. Guys. What do you call a
teacher who doesn't fart in public? I think you can
fear this one out a teacher.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I think I got it in public.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
I don't think I got it. I'm farting up the
wrong tree with this one. Guys, what do you got.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
They're a p I have?
Speaker 4 (45:00):
It is damn your eyes.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Hey, what do you call it? What a king farts?
Noble gas?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
That's a science too, Yes, it's on the table, fellas.
What's the stinkiest kind of jacket you can wear?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Hold on?
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Oh? Oh uh? What is it?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
A windbreaker? I was going to say a pea coat.
That's different. That's a different kind.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Of No, I get it. I like it. Let's keep
both of those. Hey, what do you call it? Cow's fart?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Methane?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
All right? Good, good, good dairy air.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Oh, m Aird.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
There's no god.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
This is my last one.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
This is proof positive of this. Guys, this there's no god.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Why is it strictly prohibited to pass gas in an
apple store? Why is that no windows?
Speaker 3 (46:01):
That's great? Okay? One last week? Oh I had another
fart joke, but I blew it. Okay, So anyway, we'll
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(46:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Dolan.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want
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know what time it is. Where's our sound for today,
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Time to dig up the rude begas.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yes, yes, the joke that only gets better as we
refuse to explain it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Age is like a fine something that ages, and I
think is the thing people typically say.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Sure, wine, cheese, a good fart, oh no, which is
a little bit of foreshadowy they call it in the business. Folks.
If you are listening to our weekly listener mail segment,
the evening to publish is let us welcome you to Thursday,
March twentieth, twenty twenty five. We're going to have some
follow ups on our Manchester Pusher episode from previously did
(01:27):
not expect the sheer amount of really well thought out
correspondence we received for that one. Apparently we're known in
Greater Manchester. Guys.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Okay, cool, I love Manchester.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Just just a heads up, you know, when we find
ourselves out that way, we're going to learn a little
bit about trillionaires and fossile fuels. We might have some
fart jokes, we might have some serious conversations about diplomatic immunity.
But before we do any of that, have you ever
(02:04):
looked at one of your non human animal buddies and thought,
I wonder what you're thinking about. I wonder how you metacognate?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
What are they building in there their animal minds? Is
the question? Yeah, no, I certainly do Ben, as do
we all.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, And we have to we have to admit we're
pleased as punch about the first wonder we have to
share with you, which we'll do right after a break
for a word from our sponsors.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And we've returned with a fabulous and a very rich,
dense letter from a listener referring to themselves as dognition.
Wouldn't be mad, they say, if we came up with
something more clever than that I don't know if that's possible.
That's very good given the content of the letter. But
first we're going to start with a little bit of
(03:00):
a personal story that Dognition sends us as relates to
current events. I'm going to keep the name of this
company out of it for fear of any kind of retribution.
Let's just put it this way. My last company dealt
with electrical parts, supplying electrical parts to various manufacturers. One
of our offices had a contract with the Tesla gigafactory.
(03:23):
We supplied an on site trailer full of parts and
when they needed certain supplies, they'd go grab them from
the trailer. We had a salesperson check in with them
and order supplies as needed. Sometime into our business relationship,
accounts receivable flagged Tesla for not paying for the parts
they were taking. Tesla claim they didn't have records for
who they'd paid. They just told us that all we
needed to do was supply the invoice they'd sent us,
(03:43):
then they would pay us. We couldn't find it, of course,
it was most likely they never sent it, and we
weren't the only supplier with concerns. And then Dognition links
out to an article talking about some other sticky situations
involving Tesla. The amount they owed to US was around
a million dollars. So there you go, just a little
bit of an insider of perspective on a big company
(04:03):
and a big personality that's in the news right now.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I hear the president of the US is selling Tesla cars.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I heard that as well. Some of the actions that
the President has taken have led to some pretty serious
losses in the stock market, including losses sustained by his
dear pal Elon Musk's company Tesla in question here, and
it lost quite a bit of its value. And it
would appear the President is trying to I don't know,
remedy that I guess, even though it would seem that
(04:30):
it's a problem that he himself caused. And I know,
the ecosystem that is the US financial market is very
complex and there's a lot going on, and maybe it's
not as simple as that, but we did talk about
this idea of market manipulation. But it would also seem
that maybe some of these things were not intended, and
it seems like he's trying to give a little leg
(04:53):
up to his buddy Elon by turning the lawn of
the White House into a car lot. It's a little weird. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Did you guys hear about the suspicious Tesla sales thing
that happened in Canada recently?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
There's this, you know, the EV programs, like government sponsored
EV programs, where there's an incentive.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, exactly, incentives to the buyer as well.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Correct, exactly, and well across the board, yep. But the
reason why more cars move in general is because the
buyer gets a tax break or something like that, a
reduction in price over the electric vehicle.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It's like putting solar panels on your house. You know,
there are certain subsidies that you qualify for and you
get a portion of that paid for by the government.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh yeah, So there was one happening in Canada and
they had already it facilitated around five hundred thousand electric
vehicles being sold right and right as that window ends.
Because these aren't like, it's not a it's not a
thing that just happens in perpetuity. It is a program
that basically goes for a certain amount of time then
(05:56):
it ends. Well, that's what happened in Canada, and all
of a sudden. Right at the end, eight six hundred
Teslas were sold, and in one day in one location
where Teslas are sold on two hundred of the vehicles
were sold, which is a little bit. Those are.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Great numbers. Those are objectively great number. Also, to answer
your earlier question, dognition, if I could just off the
top freestyle a couple of terrible alternatives to the nickname
you suggest because you opened the door, you invited us
in the void, writes back. In addition to dognition, help
me out here, guys, what would be a good poodle sception? Yeah,
(06:41):
a cor giation.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Chill wow, wow factor, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Hypotha shazoo. It's pretty good, you know, like, let's just
mess with us, all right. Those are four suggestions, unless Matt,
you got one.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, I just can't think on my feet like that.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Oh what are you talking about? You just keep one
in your back pocket for later, but really quickly talking
about Tesla situations while we're at it. I don't know
if you guys also saw about the fire in Seattle
that torched for Tesla cyber trucks, apparently speaking of the
idea of designating some of these actions as domestic terrorism,
it's just such a bizarre situation we find ourselves in
(07:20):
where the line between private corporations and private industry is
just more blurred than ever when it comes to the
way the government is dealing with it and with this
private citizen that's being given so much power. Though it
does seem that maybe some of those powers are being
rolled back a little bit after much protest from the
actual elected officials that are running some of these agencies
(07:40):
that Musks doze operation have kind of we're given carp
blanche to sort of dismantle, So we'll see, we'll see
what happens with that. But that is really not the
main reason why. As you can tell by the nickname,
the dog Nish wrote into us, and they say, enough
about that. Here's a bunch of stuff about animals. This
is mostly a bunch of my experiences, but there's some
science stuff in there too, Thank you for that. And
(08:03):
then this is a really in depth amount with quite
a few examples of animal cognition and some I's going
to read a few of my favorites, so I'm gonna
start here. I've mentioned before having some experience, and this
is a listener's written into us multiple times, having some
experience in the animal welfare world and dabbling and becoming
an animal behavior consultant. A good friend of mine was
my mentor for this journey, and she co authored this
(08:23):
book and links to the book called Canine Enrichment for
the Real World, Making It a Part of Your Dog's
Life by Ali Bender CDBC and Emily Strong CDBC. Something
I want to point out about this book is how
well researched it is. This friend is fact oriented and
science minded, which we love here on stuff they don't
want you to know. We held some workshops for budding
(08:45):
behavior consultants at some local shelters, and I had the
great fortune of accompanying her for some behavioral consultations in
pre pandemic times. My focus was around understanding the sort
of skeletal framework of behavior coupled with the ethogram for
whatever species I might try to work with. While I
remain no more than a hobbyist, what I have learned
to see has provided small glimpses into the rich inner
(09:07):
world of our pet animals. My own dog, Lucky and
I share an understanding that most pet owners don't reach.
I give him agency to make choices that pet parents
often don't consider, and he sort of learns how to
bridge some of those outcomes to other forms of communication.
I learned to listen to what that is by paying
close attention to the behaviors he expresses. The most recent
(09:28):
way this has played out is in his cooperative care routines.
Luck He's an older dog, so I don't want to
risk anesthesia to get his dental work done if I
can help it. Instead, I taught him to lay on
his side while I slowly and gently scraped tartar build
up from his teeth with very sharp instruments in exchange
for some treats. I've accidentally poked his gums only a
couple of times, and he will flinch, but will take
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care to keep holding still. If he wants a break,
he taps my hand with his paw. When he's ready
to start again, he lays back down on his side
and presents his face. He is op in for this.
When I ask, do you want to work on your teeth?
He jumps up excitedly and runs for the room where
we do most of his grooming. So he is opting
in to holding very still while I shine a bright
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light around his face manipulate his lips and gums and
accidentally poke sensitive parts of his mouth on the occasion.
He chooses this without having made him do anything he
doesn't want to do at any step along the way.
Pretty fantastic. I hear Matt in the background coaxing his
dog Meadow with a little bit of animal cognition himself.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, she's just reacting to something going on down there.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
One more quick story and then we'll move on. And
I want to hear about y'all's experiences with the stuff
with your own pets. My neighbor's husky, Jasper, wouldn't go
inside when he was called. It didn't matter what they
offered him. They kept trying to give him treats so
they could grab him, so he stopped responding to food.
It was bad enough that one day they asked me
to go help them get him inside because he wasn't
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listening and they needed to go out. Their long term
solution was to attach a long line to him when
they needed to let him outside. When those neighbors went
on a trip for a week, I watched their dogs
for them during that time, I said challenge, accept it.
I let Jasper out without his long line, then held
treats behind my back at a height he could reach.
That way, he could take them without fear of me
trying to grab his collar. We practiced that until he
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was comfortable walking around somewhat near me. Next, I taught
him a queue for play that meant we were going
to chase each other back and forth across the yard.
After playing tag for a little while, I went inside,
left his water bowl just inside the door and walked
away so he could get water and go back out
if he wanted. To get him to come back inside,
I just asked if he wanted to go on a walk,
and wrapped up our sessions with a walk through the neighborhood.
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After doing this for three or four days, on the
fifth day, I accidentally discovered that his favorite game isn't chase,
it's tug. He very gently grabbed a stick I was
holding for my hand. When he got it from me,
he ran away as normal, but this time he's self handicapped,
so I could catch up and pull on the stick.
I just think this is so cool. I don't know
guys like this is beyond to me just basic training
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you know of an animal. This is you know, this
behavioral aspect of it and the idea of what is
going on with their cognition and trying to explore that
and trying to use that to consensually, you know, do
stuff together with your for baby or whatever. I think
it's really really neat, and it doesn't really strike me
as the same as like, you know, using behavioral modification
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exactly to like make a dog do a trick or something.
I don't know. It may well just be the perspective
that it's being represented here from dognition, and there's a
certain empathy and kindness and and very you know, I
don't know, animal focused attitude here. But I don't know
what you guys think about this kind of stuff, Like
is this different than just your standard run of the mill,
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you know, obedience courses or is there something more at
play here?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I would argue yes. In check out check out the
show Ridiculous History. I wrote a two part episode we
did on how dogs became domesticated in the first place,
and domestication is a superpower. There is something fascinating here
with the question of, you know, the dilemma of anthropomorphizing
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or projecting upon a non human animal your own interpretations
of patterns. But dogs are a little different. These types
of canines are a little more rom com with those
scrappy upstarts of the primate world. The humans dogs do experience.
A lot of animals actually experienced tremendous emotional depth, and
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dogs have not just cognitively but corgatively, not just evolved
there to interact with humans, but also they have physically evolved, right,
just like the number of muscles around the eyes and
the sockets of the eyes are are entirely meant to
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interact with humans, and a dog can of course perceive
things that a human cannot. That's why they make such
a great team together. I will always be fascinated by
the studies that show your dog may not just be
reacting to your behavior, your intonation, or your smell. They
may be reacting to past information about you and predicting
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your behavior based on that, just like you would do
right with your dog. Also, they're one of the few
non human animals that understands pointing, which is massive. That's crazy.
Other primates don't really get it. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
And Matt, you know, as I mentioned, you were kind
of doing some stuff with meta your pop. Does any
of this resonate with you or any experience that you've
had in communicating with her.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, there's a lot of cognitive behavioral therapy in there.
And you guys know I've talked before my ex wife
was a cognitive behavioral therapist. I think that's what CBT
stands for. And I think CBS might the s might
be specialist because that's another title you can have. And
often this stuff is applied to working with humans, and
when you apply it to dogs, it works. It sure
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does work. Just trying to but it is it is
behavioral modification, but it isn't forced, right, it's just you.
You teach, you literally teach you guide, yeah, exactly, and
you teach well, when I do this, it means that.
And now now when you do that, you get this
and if you want that, you show me that action. Right.
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It's really cool stuff. It's pretty amazing. I haven't been
as successful in any way as dignition has here in
some of those things. But again, a dog is like
five six years old, like Meadow, that's my dog. She
will learn things very quickly if you just show things
with kindness, consistency and kindness and just that thing that's
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just well, here is what is happening. And what will
happen every time?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, so volunteering at different shelters here in our fair
metropolis of Atlanta, you can you can see exactly what
you're describing their matt which is first off, I hope
this is not a hot take or a polemical opinion,
but I don't think there are any bad dogs. I've
met dogs that people said were bad and it was
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just really it was their interaction with the people that
informed their behavior to that point. So hopefully no bad dogs.
I love what you're what was it, hypothesis, hypothesis, I'll
forget it. I'll forget it after this, But great, great
questions dognition, especially because we are all extremely pro animal
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even counting the naked mul rat. You know, it's not
their fault.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
It's nuts, it's not doing their best.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Huge thanks for writing into us about the Little Tesla
Insider tidbit and some of these examples of using this
kind of cognition based training on dog. By the way,
the two authors of that book that was referenced are
credited as being cbdc's which stands for a Certified Dog
Behavior Consultant, So that's an official certification that you have
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to get so thanks again, and we're going to take
a quick break here a word from our sponsor, and
then come back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And we've returned, guys, surprise, we're jumping to the bow lines. First,
We've got a very important message from Sergeant Riggs.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Hey, guys, please call me. Sergeant Riggs, just wanting to
let you know I'm really excited for the upcoming episode.
You guys teased about diplomatic community. I have a little
bit experience with that. Back in the eighties.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I was a LAPD detective and I was chasing after
these South African drug dealers who happen to have diplomatic Well,
after a shootout with my partner and the bad guys,
eventually got to shoot the main bad guy in the
head as I told him, as diplomatic community just expired.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
That'd be great if you guys comment on that.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Very famous incident. But all right, rigs out.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Which Lethal Weapon movie is that from?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
That's the first one, baby, go google. Uh, we just
thought that was terribly fun, Sergeant Riggs. There, which is
a one of the characters, one of the partners in
lethal Weapons. Yeah, Martyridy Higgs just describing you know, the plot. Basically,
we do have to note, Sergeant Riggs, if you are
(18:45):
actually Sergeant Riggs, you did not fire that shot and
that line that was your partner Roger Murtau.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Credit where it's due, Sergeant. Uh, don't take this investigation money,
you know what I mean? Matt, you and I we're
talking a little bit off air. This is one of
the ones that got me towards the end.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yes, exactly. I wait a second, and this sounds familiar,
and we don't want to spoil anything, but I mean
to kind of just spoil part of that movie Lethal Weapon,
a Mel Gibson movie worth your time.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Indeed.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
And by the way, when Danny Glover said that famous
line about being too old for this ish, he was
forty years old and playing a fifty year old. Oh wow, unrelatable.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Like it's like how there For many decades in television,
the serious high school drama shows all had students who
were about thirty.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yep, wow, that's about right.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's about yeah. But that was a nice one. Yeah,
thank you so much. It rakes.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Well, let's get to just quickly. We're gonna we should
do a whole episode of Diplomatic community, and we've touched
on it many a time on the show.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
What we have an episode on the way for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
We really are, but just to put it out there
so you're ready when that comes. That is a weird
little situation where a diplomat from Country A can go
to Country B, and while they are inside Country B
doing their business whatever it is, they have complete immunity
from the laws from the jurisdiction of country Oh, I'm
(20:24):
confused country by Well, why did I say this? You
gotta go, you gotta do it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So you're in country B, right, you nailed it. Country
b's laws are are applied to you in a different
way based on your diplomatic status from as a representative
of Country A.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yes, and real legal immunity for things like you can
the lawsuit isn't going to happen. You aren't going to
get prosecuted while you're in that country depending right.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah, that's why we're doing an episode on this because,
I uh, the the examples can be as innocuous as well.
This guy just doesn't pay parking tickets in Manhattan. Yeah,
all the way up to hey, you know what is murder? Really?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yes, but that doesn't that also extend to like their
political pouch and list of the materials they might be carrying.
They're not at they are not subject to search and
seizure either for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And just the concept of this goes way, way, way,
way way back that you've got some representatives from another
place coming to speak with the top top men and
women in your place, and they have different cultures, different
more's different everything. So while they're in your country, you
just kind of have to let them do what they
do and interact with you, and then they can head
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back theoretically in the nice way, right, And we're going
to talk about how that could be abused so.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Quickly, abused, weaponized, leveraged. I remember speaking with I remember
speaking with representativetives of the North Korean government who made
a rare trip to the United States and they were
on a tour you could call it, pushing for their
perspective on the nuclear narrative across the planet. And one
(22:13):
of the most disappointing things bracketing everything else out, one
of the most disappointing things was how bellicos just bad
vibe their American minders were, you know, like interrupting questions
rephrasing things, making sure that they got their propaganda out
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as well. It's just, oh, diplomatic immunity. What a bag
of badgers. I can't wait, can't wait to dive in.
And if you have diplomatic immunity right to us, you
know what I mean, give us the tips.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
A diplomatic pouch of badgers, if you will.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That would be great to incorporate into our pouch that
we will present to you all of its contents.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
No secrets here, well, there are a lot of secrets depending.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah. Used, Well there we are. Thank you so much there,
Sergeant Riggs for sending that message to us. Let's go
to Big Randy. I have talked about this one so
many times, we never actually played it. This is just
a thought experiment for us because I have used search terms,
every combination I can think of to find like a
real answer to that which is posed here within Big
Randy's message, and I cannot find it. So let's just
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have a little discussion after we hear from Big Randy.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Hey, guys, this is Big Randy. I was just listening
to the episode that y'all are talking about some of
the people that are millionaires, billionaires and I believe that
read an article with said something about some agency had
found out that there's probably going to be, according to
their projections, five trillionaires in the next year. And I
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have to tell you that we've got trillionaires for quite
a while. I just retired from a company that we
provided have visibility, security and transportation.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Or people like that.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
And whenever you hear the richest man in the world
or the richest person in the world, that's the richest
person in the world that reports their income to Forbes
Forbes magazine. We've had trillionaires and Dubai and other places
in Saudi Arabia all the way back to I wanted
(24:21):
to say the late eighties as the latest mid nineties.
That's how far back my career goes. And I know
for a fact that I met a trillionaire and the
early mid nineties, and that was one of the sheik
Muhammads from the oil industries from Dubai. So don't fool
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yourselves in thinking that Elon Musk or you know, the
Amazon founder or whoever fill in the blank, has more
juice or more power than anybody else on the planet.
That's not the case. That's only in the public eye
and the public eye. That might be what's important to
us because we're just normal people. But in the world
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I the people that run the world, they all look
to Saudi Arabia. There might be other places where they
have trillionaires. It's been often debated and talked about that
Putin is one of the richest men in the world,
if not the richest man in the world, but there's
no accountability or accounting, no public accounting of his wealth.
(25:23):
The same could be said for the leader of North Korea,
and uh maybe even other countries they might have, but
as far as I know, the only trillionaires that I
know of, and at least one, at least one that
I've met, is from Saudi Arabia. Anyway, you're more than
welcome to use my voice if you want to, and
if not, that's all right. That's your show. You can
(25:44):
do what the hell you want. Have a great day,
love the show.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Too, big. Randy's the best.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, you had mentioned this encounter, Matt in a previous conversation,
but hearing it, you know, directly from them, it gives
it a whole other feel.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I just want to get y'all's opinion on that. The
concept that because I understand wealth, right, especially oil wealth
that's been around for generations, but I don't understand the
concept of potentially a trillion, like a trillion dollars or
more worth of that wealth being somewhere and hidden from
public eye.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
One hundred percent happens. Yeah, we talked about this previously
on an episode or one of these conversations. Like the
difficulty which you point out so beautifully, big Randy, is
the conversation between how wealth is measured and how wealth
is portrayed, right, or how it is shown to the
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average public. Like you could argue, I've said this before,
you could argue Mansa Musa was a trillionaire right in function,
the guy who was so wealthy that he broke economies
of northern Africa just by traveling back in the day.
I think our tricky thing here is how is our
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metric for measuring what value means? Because once you get
to the billionaire class, that there's great liquidity in that value, right,
it changes day to day based on the stock market
or so on, and with and putin is a great
example of how it can become impossible to know the true,
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the true quote unquote wealth of a single human individual,
especially because at that threshold, it's not just them. There
are multiple proxies, their entire small armies of accountants. Right.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, yeah, yeah, because you've got that wealth for anybody
above a certain level is stuck in accounts, stuck in
you know, things that are tied to stocks, the units
that are tied to how well a currency is doing, right,
that kind of thing, or how.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Well natural resource is doing.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yes, futures, commodities, futures, all that stuff. But I guess.
But the thing I always forget our discussions about how
wealthy individuals and corporations will put money in places like Panama,
right or in Swiss accounts back in the day. Maybe
less now because people be known about that stuff now.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, it used to be the wealthy version of putting
money in a postagejar and burying it in your backyard.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well, so that kind of wealth is there too, but
that wouldn't be reported in any way. So there is
the potential for even people in Forbes lists to be
well above where they are right now. It's just this concept,
especially in the Middle East. Think about Saudi Arabia, United
Arab Emirate, at some of these places where that generational
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wealth is built, but often it's tied to a family
business or something right or to and that stuff is
like traded or it is reported by law, and there's
just no body there that has a trillion dollars or
no company even that has a trillion dollars.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Well, let's put it this way. How about this, and
folks walk with us here, tell us what you think,
and Matt and oil, tell me what you think as well.
What if it works like this, Big Brandy can't wait
to hear from you. What if you are as he said, Matt,
you are generational wealth. And in this case it is
defined as a percentage off the top of a proven
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natural resource. Right, and then your percentage becomes a function
or magnified by the current estimates of how much fossil
fuel or how much insert resource here is present right
the proven reserves. And then you have to play a
little bit of arcane math and do some gaming with
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the price to Knowle's point about those reserves right over time.
So if you have somehow a small percentage or we
would call it a deal point on some kick ass
oil fields, whatever you're poisoning is there, then the value
the rest of the world assigns to those reserves can
have a tremendous influence on what is seen as your
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observable wealth or value, But it's still not quite the
same thing. Like, nobody has a briefcase right now with
the trillion dollars in it, because it's super inconvenient. You
would have to check that when you fly.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Imagine that that would be the size of the Chrystler building.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I can't even possibly imagine the physical manifestation of that
much money. Do you guys have a of any thoughts
around though the whole diplomacy aspect of like you know who,
to what degree do individuals with this amount of money,
you know, receive deference from the elon musks and presidents
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and you know other billionaires of the world, And how
are they able to stay so anonymous?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Well, the real advantages at that threshold, at only hypothetically,
would be things like privacy, right, one of the immensely
eroded resources of our time. We talked about this in
the past. The second big difference is to your question access.
So if you are past a certain financial threshold and
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you say, you watch something on TV, right, and you
hear something on the radio and you say, I want
to meet that person. You know, this Mariah Carey seems
like a real up and comer. Then you can just
have your people get you on the phone with Mariah Carey.
If you like a good stock, you can just have
your people get you on the phone with whomever is
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in charge of that stock. The access is one of
the primary operational differences up there with privacy. It is
entirely possible and plausible to seek to hide, hide, or
distribute wealth such that you don't become a public figure, right, Yeah,
God forbid an icon. It for class struggle.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Well, and I guess you know some of the folks
over here that have become figureheads of the companies that
maybe generated so much wealth of them, many of them
desire that limelight or it's too late for them to
bow out of the public guide.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, it's like I mentioned a few weeks back. You know,
there's this struggle people arrive at. I can't remember whether
this is on air, there's a struggle people arrive at
in our distry, even where you have to ask yourself,
do I pursue, you know, approval, the power of being
publicly known, or do I go more c suite do
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I become an executive, right who moves behind the throne?
You know, there's a there's a delima there, right, because
sometimes those things can be mutually exclusive, or we could
argue that because clearly, for instance, not to dunk on
them too hard. Again, But Elon Musk made the decision
to be a public figure because there is power in
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public attention, the kind of wealth. That's true if it'll work.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Well, and it's a two way street. I mean, because
as we know, it seems like Elon Musk made a
lot of groundwork to have the kind of influence that
he's been handed. But it would also seem that wielding
that influence has not necessarily been directly good for his
bottom line because of how public it is.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, it is interesting that somebody with that kind of
wealth and power could give you a call. As you're saying, Ben,
there people just get a hold of you, and all
you hear on the phone is person X is interested
in what you're doing and would like to contribute. And
everybody or you know, in the operation of whatever you're doing,
here's that and says, oh, that's millions of dollars at
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least we need to take that call and then what
does that? How does how could that potentially shape what
is being done?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Right, mister Gibson, I have a huge, fat, no lethal weapon.
Thank you for making the time today on the yacht
rig Yeah, people can get touched.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yep. All right, Well there you go, guys. Thank you
so much, Big Randy. We're giving us that little thought experiment.
Thank you, Sergeant Riggs.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Again.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
And we have returned with a follow up to our
earlier episode on the Manchester Pusher. The Manchester Pusher Please
do check out the episode if you have a yet.
The Manchester Pusher is an allegation or theory similar to
the one we see in the Smiley Face murders. The
concept is that in the Greater Manchester area many people,
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often dudes right, who have fallen into canals or drowned
and their body's been found in a canal. The idea
is that they are purposely being murdered by some sort
of active serial killer or killers. The official explanation, which
has always been pretty consistent by the way, is that
no these are drowning and maybe people were intoxicated through
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a drug or alcohol, or maybe the weather was bad
and they simply slipped. This was a controversial phenomenon to cover,
to explore, and we want to thank everybody who took
the time to write to us regarding this. I don't
know about you, guys, but I was absolutely astonished to
find just how many people reached out and directly contacted us.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, there lots of great messages about this episode.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So we'd like to share just a couple of these. One,
you know, one we can start with. We mentioned some
of these in a previous Listener Mail segment. One that
we can start with, however, is another thing. I had
teased this for a while. Law enforcement in Manchester contacted us.
We'll give them anonymity, but they contacted us with a
(35:56):
lot of great information. I'm thinking maybe we can read
just a little bit of this message from a local
police constable. Okay, GMP Bobby writes to us and says, hello, loves,
there's a photo of me at work. I work for
the GMP, And without getting two into the weeds, this
(36:17):
person did prove their bona fides to us, and GMP
Bobby says, I love this episode. I've been meaning to
send you an email for some time to discuss the pusher.
I know a few months ago you discussed a similar
thing in a city in the US. Camp for the
life of me, remember which. Look, I can't pretend I
have even come close to working for Major Investigation Team MIT.
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Different MIT, the unit that would investigate murders and the like. However,
I work on the City of Manchester Central District. This
covers the city center and the areas with the highest
volume of nighttime economy. The pusher is the sort of
theory that a lot of us in the GMP like
to talk about a lot, and we'll pass the mic
(37:01):
here Matt, GMP Bobby is responding to some questions we
raised about closed circuit television.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It continues, I just want to clear some things up. Yes,
there is a lot of CCTV. It actually isn't that
hard to get. The majority of CCTV in the city
center is covered by the local authority. Almost all businesses
will supply CCTV with a simple form for information disclosure,
so that really isn't a problem. We also had the
powers to seize CCTV if someone is being obstructive. CCTV, however,
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does not cover vast parts of the canals. The majority
of the canals in the city center do have railings
to prevent this sort of thing. However, once you leave
the city center there are no barriers. The canals span
miles and miles of the Greater Manchester area. Railing all
of them would cost a bloody fortune. Also, there would
be some arguments for the barge boat owners. I dare say, which.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
We encounter later, and some other correspondence. Now, gee, Bobby
moves on to walk us through encountering a canal. Noel,
do you want to hit us with this one?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
For sure? The canals can be the quickest way if
you are a pedestrian to leave the city. And if
you're pissed up, I guess that means drunk and your
phone has died, So no GPS the easiest way to
navigate to your house. It would be tempting, but also
you'd be an idiot. I live in a suburb on
a canal. I have often walked to the city along
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the canal. It can be nice on a good day
when it's well lit. They are very dark at night, however,
unbelievably dark. The canals are also used a lot by
criminals or people cruising. They are also used a lot
by lads wanting to take a piss on a weekend night.
I imagine that actually means urinating into the canals. Some
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areas of the canals are steep, very steep. If you
hit that cold water drunk, you ain't getting out Once
the panic sets, in.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Which we appreciate the confirmation Bobby of something we were
discussing on that episode. Bobby continues to talk about the demographic,
the demographic commonalities of the victims. One of my favorite
lines there is I would say males tend to be
the ones to choose to walk home from a drunken
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night out. But of course I would say that I'm
a cop d And so we got this in depth report.
I do want to share a few final pieces of
this correspondence. And as you guys know, I corresponded directly
with this person and many other people who wrote to us,
and in every single case we received a lot of support.
(39:42):
We received a lot of people who have their own
details and experiences surrounding this. So you are primary sources
there in Manchester, and if you wrote to us, thank you.
Here's one thing Bobby wants all of us to know
at home. Bobby continues, Whilst you are correct and that
we are massively underfunded, we do go out of our way.
I have attended no end of jobs as a response
(40:05):
cop of people falling in. By the time we arrived,
usually in minutes, the person is already out with a
blanket and a cup of tea. Likewise, a lot of
jobs come in with reports of bodies in the water.
These are taken very seriously, even if it ends up
just being get this guy's garbage floating about.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I can imagine seeing something in the waters down there
if it's that dark. Yeah, as Bobby's describing, it's like
I should probably call someone.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, what would you do? You know if you saw
this at it's three in the morning or something. Are
you going to run over there to the canal?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
You're going to dial nine nine nine or whatever the
thing is.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
It's totally escaping to me where I heard this, but
it was definitely in like a British comedy where someone
referred to a kind of a low life element as
the type the hangaround canals. Interesting and I had never
quite got that reference until now.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Oh sorry, guys, I was going to make a reference
to Skyrim. You know that that city center that has
the canals, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
And Skyrim still slaps what's the what's the bar?
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Where the the something flaggering flagging? There's the ragged flags,
the ragged flagging flagging.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I've played this game too often, right, Uh? So Bobby
continues and says, Look, no police officer wants to end
up in coroner's court for not doing their job. Which
Bobby also, we didn't know that was a thing. Uh
And Bobby says, we're not perfect. I do believe we
all try our very best, especially when it comes to
investigations that involve a death or an accident or otherwise.
(41:47):
So Bobby says something really diplomatic here, I, by no
means want to diminish the worries and concerns of those
people who have lost loved ones. There is an if
there is a conspiracy, I am not privy to that,
and I have not watch the documentaries. I love this
phrase too much, like a bus man's holiday for me,
but I may very well do so. Now, had you
(42:09):
guys ever heard the phrase bus man's holiday?
Speaker 6 (42:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Okay, so neither we wrote to ask about it. And
apparently a bus man's holiday is meaning that you are
on vacation, but you still do your job. So it's
sort of I guess a comparison of that would be
us taking a day off from podcasting just to listen
to podcasts.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Sure, also the way we take vacation in general.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Just yeah, And with this we we won't have time
to get to all of the rest of the correspondence,
but we we got some great hot fuzz references. We
got people who noted there are similar theories in Bristol,
a nearby a nearby area also riddled with canals, And
we got a lot of requests you guys to go
(42:58):
to a live show in Manchester. What do we say? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah,
football Club oh Man, which we mentioned, yeah, Chester United, Yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
You I keep seeing an image of what is it?
What is the title, Bobby? What is Bobby's title?
Speaker 3 (43:22):
GMP, Bob, GMP Bobby.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Did you guys watch the show the Fall?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Are you aware of that one? I see Jillian Anderson talking?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, all right, now, before we wrap up, we had
a lot of questions on various social media platforms and
emails and so on regarding why we had a string
of classic episodes. We talked about this recently, but one
thing we did promise our friends and family over on.
Here's where it gets crazy. Our Facebook page is that
(43:55):
we had a lot of fart jokes. So to close
out tonight's listener mail, if we may, we'd like to,
instead of letters from home, send you some fart jokes
that we're really proud of, slash ashamed of. Yes, yeah, okay,
we'll keep it all right, All right, here we go. Hey, guys,
why should you never fart on an elevator?
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Many reasons. It's it's very rude.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
It's wrong on so many levels.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Oh that's good, yes, related one. Yeah, guys, I just
released my own fragrance. Nobody on the elevator seemed to
like it.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
They didn't care for it.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Speak of parallel thinking. Here's when Tennessee pal Uh said,
as well, be careful with this joke. It's an antique,
but we love it. Guys. What do you call a
teacher who doesn't fart in public? I think you can
fear this one out a teacher.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I think I got it in public.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
I don't think I got it. I'm farting up the
wrong tree with this one. Guys, what do you got.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
They're a p I have?
Speaker 4 (45:00):
It is damn your eyes.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Hey, what do you call it? What a king farts?
Noble gas?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
That's a science too, Yes, it's on the table, fellas.
What's the stinkiest kind of jacket you can wear?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Hold on?
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Oh? Oh uh? What is it?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
A windbreaker? I was going to say a pea coat.
That's different. That's a different kind.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Of No, I get it. I like it. Let's keep
both of those. Hey, what do you call it? Cow's fart?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Methane?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
All right? Good, good, good dairy air.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Oh, m Aird.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
There's no god.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
This is my last one.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
This is proof positive of this. Guys, this there's no god.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Why is it strictly prohibited to pass gas in an
apple store? Why is that no windows?
Speaker 3 (46:01):
That's great? Okay? One last week? Oh I had another
fart joke, but I blew it. Okay, So anyway, we'll
need to hear folks. Yes, we hope this message finds well.
Amid grand adventure this evening, we'll be back with more episodes,
more strange news. We used to tell more fart jokes,
(46:21):
but everyone told us they stink. So find us online,
find us via email, find us via telephonic device. Just
hit us up on the Internet where nothing smells.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Oh yeah, it's true. You can find us all over
said odorless, colorless Internet at the handle Conspiracy Stuff where
we exist on XPKA, Twitter, on Facebook with our Facebook group.
Here's where it gets crazy, where the fart jokes are flowing,
are wafting whatever. And you can also find that handle
on YouTube. We have video content galore for YouTube. Enjoy
on Instagram and TikTok. However, we are Conspiracy Stuff Show.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
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Speaker 3 (47:10):
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we receive. Be well aware yet unafraid, core ignition, hypothos shazoo.
Sometimes the void writes back, give us your takes hot,
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