August 29, 2024 • 48 mins
Mr. E provides an insider perspective on pest control. Surf Writer (Rider?) inspires a future episode on the porous borders of Myanmar. A Reptilian contacts the gang. All this and more in tonight's listener mail segment.
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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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It is one of our favorite evenings of the week
as we hurtle headlong toward autumn. It's listener bail. This
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is where we get to hear from the best part
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Hello conspiracy realists. Thank you for joining us. We're going
to have some unhinged, hilarious conspiracy emails. We might talk
to Tom about the Dragon. We might check in with
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the border of Me and mar. We are immediately going
to talk pest controls because ever since our buddy sc
bug Geek wrote to us, we've had a lot of
conversations about not just pesticides, but herbicides, rodent sides, many sides, all.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The sides we try to look at both sides or
multiple sides, however many there may be. And can I
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at night. And we've returned with today's first piece of
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listener mail that comes to us from mister E. Do
you remember that show, Hey dude, Hey dude, better watch
out for those man eating jack rabbits and that killer cactie.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's all coming back Nickelodeon.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It was. It wasn't very good. There. There was like
a whole block of those shows that were like kind
of bad comedy, sitcom kind of dramedies, like almost like
soap operas for kids, and that was one of them.
I just remember the main guy I didn't growing up.
That's okay, it was. He didn't miss anything except maybe
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are You Afraid of the Dark? I think he might
have enjoyed. But the the main guy who was like
running the dude ranch for kids, just sort of weird flex.
His name was mister Ernst, and everyone called him mystery.
That's all I got. Guys. It's you know on Secutar
for Me by Nickelodeon shows from the nineties.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
For they called him Mystery Mystery something.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah. Anyway, Ben, you got you got the best of
nineties television with the X Files, I assure you. So
jumping into this series email pertaining too Well, let's just
get right into him. Hello, team, just listen to your
great segment on dactyl and thought i'd write you to
chime in with a bit of contextual knowledge for my
days as a pest control operator years ago. I was
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a structural Pest Control Board licensed field operator, working seasonally
for relatives who owned the family business. So I suppose
I've got pesticide in my blood. No mystery in both
a literal and a figurative sense. It was not a
great gig all in all, but it had its perks
and it helped put me through university. As a tiny
bit of backstory here, just this is me, Noel. The
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story in question here was about the EPA issuing an
emergency order to stop the use of an herbicide known
as dactyl.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Matt.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I believe this is a story that you brought the
EPA issued this statement specifically out of Colorado, effectively immediately,
no person or business in any state may use, distribute, sell,
offer for sale, hold for sale, ship, deliver for shipment,
or receive, and, having so received, deliver, or offer to
deliver to any person any passive side product containing DCPA,
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which is die methyl tetra chlora terra thalate DCPA, also
known as dactyl matt. Is there anything else the listeners
at home might like to know before we proceed with
our listener.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Mail, Ah, The main thing to know is that it's
the first time in forty years that the Environmental Protection
Agency took such emergency action to stop a product or
you know, an additive chemical from being distributed like this.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Got it so big deal? So back to the message. Firstly,
of course, you're correct regarding the use of the umbrella
term pesticide as straddling other more niche genres like herbicides
and identicides. Ben you mentioned both of those in the
cold open of the show. However, while I'm fairly sure
that the EPA has made a good and long overdue
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decision to restrict the chemical in question, I would like
to invoke terminology again to possibly rebut or at least
qualify one or more of your assertions. Hopefully it will
help to temper some of the chemophobia which so often
threatens to send us all into hysterics myself included. You
guys alleged that the herbicide is quote inside the vegetables mentioned,
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which I really doubt. Pesticides which go inside of a
plant as part of their mode of action are called systemics,
and they're usually not herbicides, because if you put an
herbicide inside of a plant, it will likely kill that plant,
which isn't great if you're trying to grow and sell
that plan. Herbicides kill plants, so you try to apply
them to the plant you want to kill. Generally, I'm
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not super familiar with dactyl, but I would guess, based
on its advertised efficacies that it is either used in
targeted applications or broadcast sprayed around food crops to control weeds.
So some probably gets on the broccoli, but likely not
so much in the broccoli. While surface exposure is also
not great, but at least it's a lower degree of contamination,
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and it also leaves the chemical more exposed to environmental
factors like sunlight, temperature variations, and precipitation, all of which
help to break it down over time, thus reducing likelihood
of harmful levels of contamination to consumers. Because another very
important point, all chemical toxicity is measured in units of
mass of the chemical per unit of body mass of
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the exposed creature, thus resulting in the LD fifty and
LD one hundred benchmark measurements of toxicity as well as others.
Relative reductions and exposure matter a lot. I'll refrain from
too much speculation regarding golf courses and the perhaps dubious
pull of the people who play on them, but I'd
say that given its harms to fetuses and presumably very
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young people, neither of which group are very well represented
populations on golf courses, dactyl would probably be more of
a hazard in places like public parks. If the chemical
is sprayed on grass and you have just walked on
that grass sometime later, you probably aren't really having much exposure. If,
on the other hand, you're rolling around in that treated
surface and having skin exposure or sitting and picnicking on it,
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that is probably not great. And the sooner that you
get up close and personal with that turf after the
initial application of that chemical, the more exposure you're likely
to encounter. Another tidbit I picked up during my time
in the industry is that herbicides are generally the more
hazardous kinds of pesticides. I'm a little iffy on that,
but I think it was a matter of the chemical
having to penetrate the cell walls of plants, thus necessitating
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a more potent formulation or something. It has always struck
me that the most likely victim of pesticide poisonings are
probably farm workers who apply various chemicals on a large scale,
especially herbicides, as they aren't always provided proper gear and
training in safety protocols like actually wearing that safety gear
and reading the MSDS for what they're spraying, manufacturers safety
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data sheets. Gonna end it there, guys. Anyway, thanks for
the great podcast, mister e mistery, Thank you for the information.
It obviously is coming from a place of expertise in
the field, you know, working daily, you know, with these
types of chemicals, and I think that aspect of it
super helpful. I do have one thing that struck me
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that I wanted to mention to you guys. We talked
about the herbicides getting inside of the plants, and mister
E kind of rebutted that a little bit, but then
also went on to say that herbicides are the most
dangerous because they're formulated to penetrate the cell wall of plants.
So if it's penetrating the cell wall of plants, doesn't
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that mean it's inside the plant.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, this is tough, and you got to think about
how dactyl is used or daxyl or however you say it.
If you go to the official website for this chemical
on amvac dot com, you'll see that they call it
a pre emergent herbicide pre emergent, which means you spray
this stuff on the soil after you've planted, generally to
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control other weeds from growing up when you've got something
specific you're attempting to grow right like the broccoli or
the bachchoi or whatever, which does mean it hangs around
in the soil. And as we mentioned on that same website,
the official website, it says that I'm going to read
this quote, Dakville degradation is through microbial breakdown in the soil.
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It's not degraded by ultra violet radiation. From sunlight and
is persistent in that soil for over sixty days.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's the key word persistent, which to.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
My mind, maybe I overstepped when I was talking about
it in that Strange News episode, but it does feel
to me, and it feels to me as though the
danger here is that it is that persistent, as you said, Ben,
and those crops grow for quite a while in that
same soil that for at least sixty days, has this stuff,
you know, hanging around in it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, and again, I mean, you know, when you've got
a bud or you know, the new growth of plant,
isn't that cell wall super thin? You know? It just
seems like if it's designed to penetrate the cell wall
and then it gets inside there and is persistent, doesn't
that mean it would persistently stick around inside? And again,
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not here to call you into question mystery. You know,
we are coming from a place of this is not
our field. But I am jumping off of something that
you said that has felt like a little bit of contradictory.
And I don't think you were here to like totally
shut us down, but I think we were operating under
relatively you know, good faith assumptions here, and I honestly
what you're writing to us makes me believe that even
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to be more so the case.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I would like to thank you mistery for first off,
tuning into the show, and even more importantly for taking
the time to write in, because this is information that
people need to know. Our conversation about pesticides or herbicides
or hang on, let's go to our pal sc bug Geek,
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who we talked with earlier, points out in best Southern
slang voice, you got your insecticides, your herbicids, your rodent
to sads, your funga sads, your turmit to sads, and
your matta sads. We have many We have many pest
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control experts in the crowd tonight, and one thing that
we hear often is the label is the law. This
idea of professionals understanding the implications of these chemicals and
these substances deployed, it strikes a great discrepancy. I would argue,
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the public doesn't understand the same things that the professionals understand,
and that may be an object of concern. Just to
finish that.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Though, absolutely and Mystery also provided us a link to
something that I referenced in his email the Manufacturers Safety
Data Sheet or MSDS for dactyl and it is something
that you too can find if you just search for it.
Cora Veil dot com, slash WP, dash content, slash uploads,
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slash twenty nineteen, slash one, slash dactyl dash one dot pdf.
Did you get that? I hope you did. You can
probably just google the majority of those terms and it'll
come right up. But one part I just just for
times sake, I didn't read the MSDS that he linked to.
He kind of referred to it as being curiously incomplete
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in some areas, which I thought was interesting, And just
to close out, you know, he went on to say,
long story short, your fear of pesticide is justified. But
the upside is that various contaminant factors limit your likelihood
of problematic exposure. And they're also thankfully and surprisingly pretty
heavily regulated in the US. On the topic of regulations,
I've just moved to Europe, and I have to tell
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you it is in fact better over here, which has
a lot to do with regulations. But I'll spare you
a spiel and just end it there. Anyways, Thanks for
the great podcast, But looking at this MSDS sheet. I
wouldn't have anything approaching the expertise to know what mister
E means by spare or like incomplete, because I'm looking
at it and it's a good, you know, ten page
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document with a lot of texts involving regulations in different states.
There's a whole section for regulatory information, transport information referring
to DOT and other transport organizations, disposal considerations, and then
carcinogenic effects, carcinogenicity, which is a fun word, germ cell mutagenicity,
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which I think maybe what he's referring to is I
don't see much on here about the impact on fetuses
per se, but I guess that's the issue, right, This
was like maybe something that was outside the scope of
what was understood to be dangerous about this thing, and
according to the EPA, not able to be properly mitigated
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enough with those actions that mister E was talking about
in terms of like the goal would be to reduce exposure,
that would be the goal. And it looks like EPA,
with their ruling emergency ruling, determine this thing is not mitigatable.
Is that kind of your perspective there as well. Matt
from the original story.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, because the big concern was mothers, right.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Right, But this document doesn't say anything about that, doesn't
say anything about dangers to you know, fetuses or unborn children.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, does talk about rabbits and uh rats and other
creatures that they tested acute toxicity on it and it's
not great.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
They're mammalions, so it would transfer, right, the same concerns
could be.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's a it's like an evil version of credit transferring
through different universities. If something hurts one kind of creature,
it can hurt a similar creature one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Gosh, it's one of those that they write in this
these materials, the mystery sent like, do not allow this
material to drain into sewers or water supplies. Wait, what
happens with crops, guys? You uh oh, you water them
with giant watering systems. And where does that water go?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Well, groundwater, and that goes places that can ultimately end
up in homes.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It says, do not contaminate ponds, waterways or with this chemical.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
This really does remind me of the many pieces of
correspondence we've received from fellow conspiracy realist again in the
pesticide industry, there's a monopolization again as we spoke about
with Big Bug, right, I think that's what we called it.
There is a concerted effort to accelerate or I would
(16:29):
say maintain, if not accelerate, the discrepancy between expert knowledge
right and scholarship versus the public awareness. Similar to lead pipes, right,
the idea of lead's effect on people or you know,
(16:51):
I might get in trouble for this one, but the
lidamide is pretty dangerous and the non research the known
proving consequences of exposure to thlidibide, those consequences were buried
quite successfully. There was a conspiracy to bury the results
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of thlidibide exposure. So we have to ask ourselves not
whether this stuff is one hundred percent dangerous, We have
to ask ourselves why the public is not more readily
empowered with information about exposure to these substances.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
One hundred percent. And I also really appreciate the point
mister emakes in the email about how you know if
this were to be used like in a park and
you were picnicking or like rolling around in the grass,
that would be a much more dangerous transmission of this
stuff than say, a golf course. But if I remember correctly,
one of the things that perhaps I snarkily, you know,
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commented on it was the idea that, oh, they're not
going to do anything about it. The rich people complain
because it's contaminating their golf course. And I think that
might on my part, have been a bit of an oversimplification,
but it's hard to ignore that that aspect of it
does seem to have moved the needle to some degree. Agreed.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And if you want to learn more about just these
you know, chemical dangerous chemicals we're talking about. Been that
story from East Palestine that we talked about, gosh a
long time ago. There's new reporting coming out over the
past like week and a half, two weeks just about
the dangers that the cleanup workers faced and how many
people actually got very, very sick from cleaning up these chemicals.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I really appreciate you bringing that up, Matt, because I'm
still in contact with a lot of those folks. Wow,
thank you. You know, it's it's rare that I would
be in articulate there, but that means a world to
the folks in East Palestines. Well, let's remember just because
headline is no longer in the news, it doesn't mean
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the story is over.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Thank you man, very very true. Thanks as well, Matt,
and thanks to you, mystery. You're gonna take a quick
pause here a word from our sponsor, and then come
back with some more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And we've returned, and we are taking a little international trip, guys,
based on a voicemail we got from surf writer. Now
I cannot discern with my ear holes if it is
w R I T E R or R I D
e R or some other word in there. I'm gonna
say surf writer is in one who rights the surf,
(19:39):
because that just feels good to me. But here we.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Maybe we let the listeners be the judge.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Huh, there we go. What do you think? Let's find
out here's surf Writer's message.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Hey, this is a surf writer. Love the show, but
listening to it, I can't even count that the number
of years. But I recently heard about scamming institutions that
are incredibly large. Shall look at too, KK Park and
KK Park two. I'm not sure if you've talked about
them before, but I think it'd be a fascinating story
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to government piece.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
There we go scamming institutes. It's a way surf writer
described the places we're about to explore, and we called
them KK Park and KK Park two. I'll tell you
guys what I found immediately, and then jump into what
you guys know about this already, because maybe you already
have some information. It was brand new to me when
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I searched. I got a South China Morning Post or whatever.
It's that same source we just talked about on Strange News,
and it was an exclusive story at least according to
the site. Published on July twenty second, twenty twenty three,
so last year. And this is the title inside the
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Chinese run crime hubs of Me and Mar that are
conning the world. And then it has a colon and
a quotation and it says we can.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Kill you here unquote.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And then I can't read the article because I'm not subscribed,
but I do. I'll read you the two like subtitles
here from Schwekoco s hwe ko Kko to KK Park,
A slew of brutal criminal enterprises now dot the Moai
River that forms me and Mars border with Thailand. Survivors
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ensnared by promises of legitimate work spoke to this week
in Asia. That's another publication of trafficking, torture and being
forced to defraud strangers online.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So this KK park, it's like, it's literally like an
office park where these types of activities are going down.
Is that the idea?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well? That is that is my understanding. It's described often
as a work complex, a like work live complex, a
place where work can be done and people can be housed, right,
and you can also eat there because there's gonna be
some food.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
The commissary, the scam, the scam commissary, right.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It's very live laugh love.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yes, guys, I don't know if you we. I think
we did an ad for it a while back. But
did you guys see the Jason Stathan movie The Bee Keeper.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I've not seen it.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I think it's excellent. I think it's really fun. But
basically it revolves around like a mega organized scam operation
that is like in a proper office building where people
are using computers and the scamming old ladies out of
their pensions and stuff like that. And it really doesn't
make me think of this this level. It has to
be some of the scams that we get over here.
I wonder on phone stuff for spoofing and various things
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that are preying on people that aren't as tech savvy.
There have to be pretty significant operations behind some of them. Well, yeah,
I mean this is very interesting. When you look at
the aerial maps, it's like it's like an office park
and I just I'm picturing a beekeeper type of.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well, so let's mention here. According to surf writer and
to some of the writing, the initial writing that at
least we've seen on this, it does appear that what's
being described here are these complexes multiple by the way,
that exist along the border of Thailand and Me and
mar that kind of specialize in getting workers to the location,
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either you know, through some type of ad or word
of mouth or by I guess the phrase would be
conning them into like migrant workers to coming to this location,
similarly to how we've described it in the past, where
then the passport and other identification materials are controlled by
someone or some entity that is also on site, and
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then they are forced to do whatever work it is
to pay off a debt, right, a travel debt or
whatever debt that the company the individuals come up with
exactly is.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Trick in the book. They keep the passports, they keep
the travel papers, and you're basically at their mercy if
they ever even will release you.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Right, Yeah, And I just according to this one institution
that I've never heard of this, Maybe you guys have
heard of this, the United States Institute of Peace.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It sounds made up.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Sounds like they will once again point out the danger
of innocuous names for organizations.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, I would agree in an Orwell novel, they'd be
the ones making all the war, you know, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But I think you're on I think you're onto something.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I think there's something to this. I don't know any
thing about it. This is an institute that was created
after this thing passed, called the United States Institute of
Peace Act in nineteen eighty four, and their mission is
to quote serve the people in the government through the
widest possible range of education and training, basic and applied
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research opportunities. That's an interesting statement. And Peace Information Services
on the means to promote international peace and the resolution
of conflicts among the nations and peoples of the world
without recourse to violence. So, according to them, that group,
there are around twenty thousand workers who are either in
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a state of indentured servitude or are there working on
their own volition. It's hard to know, but there are
twenty thousand workers at this one KK park, and then
there are multiples of those if you imagine the number
of human beings who are actively working to run whatever
scams are I guess on the menu there.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Look, the world is big and a lot of terrible
things are happening all the time, right the world is
ending for someone every single minute of an evening. And
it reminds me a bit of the idea of like
you guys, remember the game Roomscape. I'm going somewhere with this.
(25:59):
The video game, like myst it's an old game, it
is still active. It is a sort Mining resources in
RuneScape is a viable economic pursuit for people in Venezuela.
(26:19):
And it's such a big deal that when power is cut,
when the power goes out in Venezuela, you can measure
the you can measure the fluctuations in what people pay
in the old school game RuneScape. This again goes to
the idea of the stories continuing past the headlines. Households
(26:45):
in Myanmar are crippled right now, currency is tumbling to
a low Meanmar is a vassal state of China. It
is in operative uh not quite hot boar, not quite
kinetic war, but it is in a very sensitive geopolitical
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situation and the idea of anything we would consider human
rights doesn't really exist there right now. And this is
a crazy thing because there are a lot of Chinese
nationals who are like you said, Matt, they're incentivized, or
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they're tempted or somehow sometimes coerced into these border towns.
And these people are coming from Thailand, from Laos, from Cambodia,
as far away as Hong Kong and Taiwan, and they're
put there, are lured there the same way that domestic
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workers are lured into certain Middle Eastern countries. And just
as you said, their passports are taken, they are put
into indentured tude right slaves in all operative terms, and
there there's not really anybody sticking up for them, which
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is a very dangerous thing. That's that's what I saw.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I think we should stand up and I think we
need to make this whole episode.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It goes so deep into the holding companies that run
some of the online gambling outfits that are running in
places like Yatai New City, which is a part of
that Shwekoco Place, companies like Yatai International Holdings Group and
Chitlin Mayang Company that work together to do this stuff.
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There's apparently one of one of the companies involved is
owned by a fugitive, like a Chinese fugitive. Well again,
like it's tough to know in the moment if I
can trust some of these sources that I'm looking at,
But there it goes deep, and I think if we
parse through a lot of it, we can get to
the bottom of a story about exactly where you're describing
(29:02):
Ben just using those border town who I was gonna
I was gonna use the phrase limital spaces where the
law kind of applies, but you know, kind of doesn't.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And it's easier just to leave well enough alone in
certain cases, especially if it's like contained and it's not
bleeding out into the potential governing countries, like in terms
of like if there were violence being done or if
it was like cartel type stuff, then they'll probably be
a different story. But if they're keeping it, keeping to
themselves with this as it seems that they are right.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Well, yeah, and if they're conning people in America and
countries across vast oceans, maybe it's not that big of
a concern. And if the people who are running these
operations are genuinely dangerous, you know, human beings part of
genuinely dangerous organizations, then you don't You got it? Well,
(29:57):
you have to choose your actions very carefully.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
It's right, Ben. Can I get you to clarify something
for me? I'm sorry if I missed it. You mentioned
that game RuneScape and like something about power. I just
I want to understand the connection there, because it made
me think of a Neil Stevenson book called REOMNDI, where
there's like these Chinese it's like a massive multiplayer online
game and there's like gold farming that takes place, and
(30:22):
it's a way of like hiding criminal activity and like
almost like a secret currency in a way of like
you know, paying for things with this like in game currency.
I'm just wondering if that was any connection or how
that pertained to this type of activity. Hopy.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, to be specific, Venezuela due to the who everybody
read Confessions of an Economic Hitman first off, but Venezuela
is having an economic collapse, okay, and it's not in
a good place. The people of Venezuela are in a
(30:57):
really tough spot such that it has become a viable career,
a means of survival to mine or grind in the
game RuneScape, the old school game RuneScape. And we know
this is a real and measurable thing because when the
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power goes out in Venezuela and parts of Venezuela, like
in Canakas, so like when the power goes out, the
value of stuff in that online game RuneScape fluctuates. If
you want to learn more about it, folks, check out
this has been going on for years. You could check
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out articles from twenty twenty. Here's one I'm just off
the dome googling how RuneScape is helping Venezuelan survive May
twenty eighth, twenty twenty by Matt Ompler. And that's a
tangential reference to what you're taught talking about, Matt, which
is the process going on now in meandmar But people's lives.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Are on the line, and I guess, Matt, is this
are there some people that are part of this willingly do?
I mean again, I guess this is tough. We have
to dig and find, you know, because obviously they're the
top dogs, the people that are supervising it, making the
big money. But it seems like a lot of it
is tant amount to kidnapping, and you know, in dentur
and servitude, I just wonder if there are echelons and
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like what that looks like. It's very, very troubling and fascinating.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It appears that it's organized criminal activity that is controlling
these sites. You can see reporting out of CNN from
May twenty twenty three. Title of this it's it's archived,
so I don't know if you can actually find the
original one anymore, but a genuine archived CNN article titled
six Filipinos rescued from human trafficking syndicates in Me and
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mar And what they are described here are people who
got basically taken into KK Park, then taken to another
place called Century Park in Mayowadi, Myawaddy, and they were
able to cross the border into Thailand and escape. So
human beings that are being forced to work there that
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are escaping, they're talking about torture at least once they
get free. They're talking about taking part in cryptocurrency and
love scams specifically while they're there, and again imagining that
that's happening probably across the ocean, if not just targeting
other places that they see as very wealthy these criminal organizations.
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It's that there was a BBC article specifically talking about
scams in Cambodia and again like very similar places, they
all mention KK Park by the way, So that is
probably our starting point, just the way it was with
surf Writer's message. Start there and expand out and just
see what we can find.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Greed appreciate your time immensely, surf wright er, thank you
for bringing this to the forefront, because I think we
can all agree this is something that is unfamiliar and
specific to a lot of people in the West. When
we're talking about online gambling or video games, it may
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sound innocuous, it very much is not. We are talking
about human trafficking. The memr and Thailand border is worrius,
which means quite a bit of trafficking occurs, and quite
often the authorities, the people who are supposed to protect
other people, look the other way and indeed may participate
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in crime.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Do you think there's any connection to the way, like,
you know, stuff that happens with Cartel's on the US
Mexico borders politicized or is it just a different kind
of ball of axe? I guess, because you know, you
do see that trickle into the United States to a
point where it can become a political talking point of
like they're they're this porous aspect is causing us harm.
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I just wonder if there's any of that taking place
in this situation on you know, the other side of
that Horus border.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I really don't know. I'm sorry, I'm about a bit
of a loss here.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I just don't think so many things to look into,
big questions.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, yes, agreed, I'm just looking in this BBC article
talking about sites in Cambodia. Now, there's just so much
of this going on. We got to sift through it.
So we will do that. Let us know if you
have any more information, and we will be right back
with more messages from you.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And we have returned with a choice for our intrepid
host here. Do you guys want to hear an unhinged,
hilarious conspiracy email or do you want to hear from
Tom and the Dragon?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Oh, geez, unhinged? First, Matt, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, and then let's write the dragon.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Okay, all right, let's see how let's say how far
we get here?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Uh, here we go? Iguanta tell you something By R.
Tilliam mcscaley. Greetings, host, longtime listener, first time emailer. Literally,
I've never sent an email before. I find that telepathy
gets things done faster, although it can get pretty crowded sometimes,
and I end up accidentally telling my Grandmaster how much
(36:32):
I hate his all hands meetings. I was alerted to
the fact that an audio teaching was being broadcast by
the fine folks at std WYTK. I believe you call
it a podcast, which is funny really, since to us
a podcast is simply the implemented system we have to
dispatch vessel pods to and from Earth. We all had
(36:54):
a great lol about that in the Orifice office. Curse
these webbed hands.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh wait, okay, wait, hold on, is this like a
lizard person? Who is this? Okay?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They're clearly sending pods to and from Earth.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Tide pods for the children to eat. No, what what
mischief is this person up to? Please go on, we
must hear more.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
And mcscalley continues, you hit on some good points. A
few quite accurate, but luckily they were told in jest,
and the validity of such an existence cease to be
taken seriously by the listening subjects. Okay, I don't know,
maybe I'm losing myself here. Here we go, continue on.
Have you ever considered that a common symbol, statue, monument
(37:43):
that you have in your land was deliberately created to
communicate that my lords have complete control over your actions?
You call it lady justice.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
We thought it would be too obvious, but we quickly
realized that the primate brain is more interested in calling
a lady because she seems to have memory bags and
not realize what's actually being represented. First of all, and
I mean, come on, one hand is carrying scales. Let
me emphasize the word scales. I'll let you continue figuring
(38:16):
that one out.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Second scales. Everybody think about that reptile choke. Secondly, the sword, This,
what I admit, is trickier. You see, just like on
your planet, there are some lizards no relation, that lose
their tail when confronted by danger. We reptilions also have
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that ability. However, being much larger in size, our tail
doesn't fall off that easily. So we have our own swords.
I'm saying, swartz swords to help quicken the process. It
really is a b word.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Cut their own tails of this is well psychotic, all right,
I think we're getting the homest matt All right.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Here we go third. So we've got the scales, We've
got the sword. Here it comes third, the blind fold.
No justice is not blind. Its eyes are very much awake.
Or since we have the double layered eyelid, we like
to joke that their eyes wide shut.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Get it.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I mentioned this once during the studio filming of the
moon landing, and this guy Stan who's doing the filming,
just bust a gut right there. He wrote it on
a napkin and always wondered what he'd do with it. AnyWho,
I digress. The blindfold is to signify our hidden place
in your world, working unseen from the shadows.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
He's drag upon Easter eggs. It's cause stuff. Yeah. The
less said about the Statue of Liberty, the better, ah excrement.
I have to go. Mother is calling for our feedings,
and I hate to get another tongue lashing, a literal one.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Believe me, you don't want to get slapped by that thing.
It's like being hit with a wet fish wrapped in sandpaper.
Talk so mother time, I'm getting the hang of this
electronic mailing system. Be in touch, XENU, be with you.
So say we all okay? So say we all all right?
(40:14):
Did we get an important message? Or is that unhinged?
What do you guys think? Oh?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, well we got a super important message. We need
to get to the PostScript though, because that's what makes
it all makes sense.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Ah, yes, matt why do you take us home on
that one?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Well?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
The PostScript and then mc sally wrote, is go ahead
and use this in my name on the casting pod.
They'll never believe you. They'll just think I have become strange.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I am become strange. Oh and it's mccalely, Matthew, mc sally, Scooby.
Do the hell out of this one, guys, that was
a lot of fun. We sure did.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Thank you very much, mcscaley. We think also, uh, thank
you and apaulogies to codename Doc Holliday for having to
edit our off by conversations on this. We have so
much more to get to. We have one letter from home.
We wanted to give a very special congratulations to our
(41:17):
pals the Devil Family to Rebel Devil. We talked about
this a little bit off air. Turns out one of
our favorite conspiracy realist couples has just tied the knot,
jumped the broom, made the.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Matrimony, getting hitched.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah on purpose?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Whoa bold move. Four.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Now we talked with We talked with Rebel, and Rebel said,
I'll leave it to you and the crew as you
all are excellent wordsmiths for the exact verbiage, but please
say something along the lines of wishing us here it goes, guys,
a life of happiness adventure, and maybe throw in an
(42:07):
alien or UFO reference because those are my wife's favorite
episodes and conspiracies. Yeah, can do we got a good
UFO reference.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Oh it's got to be now, Okay, sorry, I justent
those are some of our favorite episodes too. I don't know, man,
I can't I can't do it. I can't do it
on command like that. What a reference kind of has
to happen organically. I don't know how to just like
bust it out. But I'm not as I'm not as
clever as you guys. Maybe y'all can do I.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Don't know if we've got a UFO reference, I would
just say, considering your matrimony is nigh.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It is strange that I randomly went UFO UAP hunting
for the first time last weekend as we're recording this,
that's true, and I bought some equipment.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
And telescope with a science buddy, right, didn't you have
a science pal?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Oh yeah, science pal Scott Scottie and Nick, who was
the reason I was out there. Shout out to you,
Nicholas and your lake that is almost a pond but
a little too big, so it's a lake.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
A lake that he owns. I just I don't know
why I can't get my head around that, but I will.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I will just tell you guys right now, just to
bring this up. And I'm sorry, I don't want to
capitalize too much time here, but I saw some things
that initially as just old Maddie two hands Frederick guy
looking up at the sky with some sophisticated equipment. I
saw some stuff that my brain said, Hey, that's kind
of weird. I don't I don't like that. I can't
(43:39):
understand that with my current understanding of what goes around
comes around up there. And my friend Scott who is
He's been interested in this stuff forever. He's had a telescope.
You know that you can make out Saturn from here
really really well. He said that since he was a kid,
and he explained some things to me that made it
(43:59):
a lot more a lot less scary. I think with
some of the lights that I saw up.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
There in the sky, do you care to share with
the glass so we too can be less scared.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Well, it was a specific thing about satellites and certain
movements when the Sun is at a certain position relative
to the Earth, and the way sun rays can still
hit things that are that high up. Right, they're still
in orbit, but they're that high up and the sun
can hit them. And depending on stuff like cloud cover
(44:33):
and where they're moving relative to you know, mountains and
elevation of the Earth, you can get weird little stuff
that happens where you'll see a shiny circle or you know,
spherical object in the sky kind of flash past for
a second, but you realize, oh, that's definitely not you know,
some kind of meteor or you know, we just went
(44:54):
through the shower. What was the meteor shower? Yeah, and
it was right around the same time and It definitely
wasn't that. But he just explained to me some things
that made me feel better.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Does that make sense, Yes, it does, and it makes
sense not just in a literal and scientific perspective, Matt,
but also in a metaphorical perspective. To you, the newly
minted honeymooning Devil couple conspiracy realist, everyone is an object
(45:28):
in space, and let us imagine, let us look with
true amazement upon the inexplicable odds that you two objects
in space would align, would become undivisible. That's not a word,
(45:49):
it's American English. But you are objects together.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I think that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
That is a beautiful thing, Ben, you kind of just
quoted the word I spoke to my ex wife when
we got hitched. The improbable nature of these two conscious,
conscious beings coming together to form one system, that is
that you can use that I like, Oh.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
My god, we're bigging up. We're biging up our guy here. Well, congratulations, folks,
join us in congratulating the newly minted Devils, And we
also want to thank you for tuning in. As we say,
you're the most important part of the show. We are
(46:34):
so grateful to Tom of Tom and the Dragon, to mccali,
to surf Writer or Writer, to mister e and also
some folks we'll hear from in the future, including Dilly.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Oh, and I'm sorry I offer my congratulations to the
happy couple as well. Sorry I didn't want to be
a downer there. Congrats you too. And hey, if you
have something you'd like us talk about on the podcast,
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(47:11):
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(47:38):
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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nolan.
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We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code
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It is one of our favorite evenings of the week
as we hurtle headlong toward autumn. It's listener bail. This
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is where we get to hear from the best part
of the show. You, specifically you, our fellow listeners, our
Hello conspiracy realists. Thank you for joining us. We're going
to have some unhinged, hilarious conspiracy emails. We might talk
to Tom about the Dragon. We might check in with
(01:14):
the border of Me and mar. We are immediately going
to talk pest controls because ever since our buddy sc
bug Geek wrote to us, we've had a lot of
conversations about not just pesticides, but herbicides, rodent sides, many sides, all.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The sides we try to look at both sides or
multiple sides, however many there may be. And can I
just say, in the interest of speaking of the best
part of the show, if you want to carry on
the spirit of listener mail, carry it on over to
Apple Podcasts, or you might leave us a five star
review and some kind words to help us sleep tight
at night. And we've returned with today's first piece of
(02:05):
listener mail that comes to us from mister E. Do
you remember that show, Hey dude, Hey dude, better watch
out for those man eating jack rabbits and that killer cactie.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's all coming back Nickelodeon.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It was. It wasn't very good. There. There was like
a whole block of those shows that were like kind
of bad comedy, sitcom kind of dramedies, like almost like
soap operas for kids, and that was one of them.
I just remember the main guy I didn't growing up.
That's okay, it was. He didn't miss anything except maybe
(02:39):
are You Afraid of the Dark? I think he might
have enjoyed. But the the main guy who was like
running the dude ranch for kids, just sort of weird flex.
His name was mister Ernst, and everyone called him mystery.
That's all I got. Guys. It's you know on Secutar
for Me by Nickelodeon shows from the nineties.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
For they called him Mystery Mystery something.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah. Anyway, Ben, you got you got the best of
nineties television with the X Files, I assure you. So
jumping into this series email pertaining too Well, let's just
get right into him. Hello, team, just listen to your
great segment on dactyl and thought i'd write you to
chime in with a bit of contextual knowledge for my
days as a pest control operator years ago. I was
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a structural Pest Control Board licensed field operator, working seasonally
for relatives who owned the family business. So I suppose
I've got pesticide in my blood. No mystery in both
a literal and a figurative sense. It was not a
great gig all in all, but it had its perks
and it helped put me through university. As a tiny
bit of backstory here, just this is me, Noel. The
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story in question here was about the EPA issuing an
emergency order to stop the use of an herbicide known
as dactyl.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Matt.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I believe this is a story that you brought the
EPA issued this statement specifically out of Colorado, effectively immediately,
no person or business in any state may use, distribute, sell,
offer for sale, hold for sale, ship, deliver for shipment,
or receive, and, having so received, deliver, or offer to
deliver to any person any passive side product containing DCPA,
(04:17):
which is die methyl tetra chlora terra thalate DCPA, also
known as dactyl matt. Is there anything else the listeners
at home might like to know before we proceed with
our listener.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Mail, Ah, The main thing to know is that it's
the first time in forty years that the Environmental Protection
Agency took such emergency action to stop a product or
you know, an additive chemical from being distributed like this.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Got it so big deal? So back to the message. Firstly,
of course, you're correct regarding the use of the umbrella
term pesticide as straddling other more niche genres like herbicides
and identicides. Ben you mentioned both of those in the
cold open of the show. However, while I'm fairly sure
that the EPA has made a good and long overdue
(05:07):
decision to restrict the chemical in question, I would like
to invoke terminology again to possibly rebut or at least
qualify one or more of your assertions. Hopefully it will
help to temper some of the chemophobia which so often
threatens to send us all into hysterics myself included. You
guys alleged that the herbicide is quote inside the vegetables mentioned,
(05:29):
which I really doubt. Pesticides which go inside of a
plant as part of their mode of action are called systemics,
and they're usually not herbicides, because if you put an
herbicide inside of a plant, it will likely kill that plant,
which isn't great if you're trying to grow and sell
that plan. Herbicides kill plants, so you try to apply
them to the plant you want to kill. Generally, I'm
(05:52):
not super familiar with dactyl, but I would guess, based
on its advertised efficacies that it is either used in
targeted applications or broadcast sprayed around food crops to control weeds.
So some probably gets on the broccoli, but likely not
so much in the broccoli. While surface exposure is also
not great, but at least it's a lower degree of contamination,
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and it also leaves the chemical more exposed to environmental
factors like sunlight, temperature variations, and precipitation, all of which
help to break it down over time, thus reducing likelihood
of harmful levels of contamination to consumers. Because another very
important point, all chemical toxicity is measured in units of
mass of the chemical per unit of body mass of
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the exposed creature, thus resulting in the LD fifty and
LD one hundred benchmark measurements of toxicity as well as others.
Relative reductions and exposure matter a lot. I'll refrain from
too much speculation regarding golf courses and the perhaps dubious
pull of the people who play on them, but I'd
say that given its harms to fetuses and presumably very
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young people, neither of which group are very well represented
populations on golf courses, dactyl would probably be more of
a hazard in places like public parks. If the chemical
is sprayed on grass and you have just walked on
that grass sometime later, you probably aren't really having much exposure. If,
on the other hand, you're rolling around in that treated
surface and having skin exposure or sitting and picnicking on it,
(07:23):
that is probably not great. And the sooner that you
get up close and personal with that turf after the
initial application of that chemical, the more exposure you're likely
to encounter. Another tidbit I picked up during my time
in the industry is that herbicides are generally the more
hazardous kinds of pesticides. I'm a little iffy on that,
but I think it was a matter of the chemical
having to penetrate the cell walls of plants, thus necessitating
(07:47):
a more potent formulation or something. It has always struck
me that the most likely victim of pesticide poisonings are
probably farm workers who apply various chemicals on a large scale,
especially herbicides, as they aren't always provided proper gear and
training in safety protocols like actually wearing that safety gear
and reading the MSDS for what they're spraying, manufacturers safety
(08:09):
data sheets. Gonna end it there, guys. Anyway, thanks for
the great podcast, mister e mistery, Thank you for the information.
It obviously is coming from a place of expertise in
the field, you know, working daily, you know, with these
types of chemicals, and I think that aspect of it
super helpful. I do have one thing that struck me
(08:30):
that I wanted to mention to you guys. We talked
about the herbicides getting inside of the plants, and mister
E kind of rebutted that a little bit, but then
also went on to say that herbicides are the most
dangerous because they're formulated to penetrate the cell wall of plants.
So if it's penetrating the cell wall of plants, doesn't
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that mean it's inside the plant.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, this is tough, and you got to think about
how dactyl is used or daxyl or however you say it.
If you go to the official website for this chemical
on amvac dot com, you'll see that they call it
a pre emergent herbicide pre emergent, which means you spray
this stuff on the soil after you've planted, generally to
(09:17):
control other weeds from growing up when you've got something
specific you're attempting to grow right like the broccoli or
the bachchoi or whatever, which does mean it hangs around
in the soil. And as we mentioned on that same website,
the official website, it says that I'm going to read
this quote, Dakville degradation is through microbial breakdown in the soil.
(09:39):
It's not degraded by ultra violet radiation. From sunlight and
is persistent in that soil for over sixty days.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's the key word persistent, which to.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
My mind, maybe I overstepped when I was talking about
it in that Strange News episode, but it does feel
to me, and it feels to me as though the
danger here is that it is that persistent, as you said, Ben,
and those crops grow for quite a while in that
same soil that for at least sixty days, has this stuff,
you know, hanging around in it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, and again, I mean, you know, when you've got
a bud or you know, the new growth of plant,
isn't that cell wall super thin? You know? It just
seems like if it's designed to penetrate the cell wall
and then it gets inside there and is persistent, doesn't
that mean it would persistently stick around inside? And again,
(10:30):
not here to call you into question mystery. You know,
we are coming from a place of this is not
our field. But I am jumping off of something that
you said that has felt like a little bit of contradictory.
And I don't think you were here to like totally
shut us down, but I think we were operating under
relatively you know, good faith assumptions here, and I honestly
what you're writing to us makes me believe that even
(10:51):
to be more so the case.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I would like to thank you mistery for first off,
tuning into the show, and even more importantly for taking
the time to write in, because this is information that
people need to know. Our conversation about pesticides or herbicides
or hang on, let's go to our pal sc bug Geek,
(11:18):
who we talked with earlier, points out in best Southern
slang voice, you got your insecticides, your herbicids, your rodent
to sads, your funga sads, your turmit to sads, and
your matta sads. We have many We have many pest
(11:39):
control experts in the crowd tonight, and one thing that
we hear often is the label is the law. This
idea of professionals understanding the implications of these chemicals and
these substances deployed, it strikes a great discrepancy. I would argue,
(12:03):
the public doesn't understand the same things that the professionals understand,
and that may be an object of concern. Just to
finish that.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Though, absolutely and Mystery also provided us a link to
something that I referenced in his email the Manufacturers Safety
Data Sheet or MSDS for dactyl and it is something
that you too can find if you just search for it.
Cora Veil dot com, slash WP, dash content, slash uploads,
(12:34):
slash twenty nineteen, slash one, slash dactyl dash one dot pdf.
Did you get that? I hope you did. You can
probably just google the majority of those terms and it'll
come right up. But one part I just just for
times sake, I didn't read the MSDS that he linked to.
He kind of referred to it as being curiously incomplete
(12:56):
in some areas, which I thought was interesting, And just
to close out, you know, he went on to say,
long story short, your fear of pesticide is justified. But
the upside is that various contaminant factors limit your likelihood
of problematic exposure. And they're also thankfully and surprisingly pretty
heavily regulated in the US. On the topic of regulations,
I've just moved to Europe, and I have to tell
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you it is in fact better over here, which has
a lot to do with regulations. But I'll spare you
a spiel and just end it there. Anyways, Thanks for
the great podcast, But looking at this MSDS sheet. I
wouldn't have anything approaching the expertise to know what mister
E means by spare or like incomplete, because I'm looking
at it and it's a good, you know, ten page
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document with a lot of texts involving regulations in different states.
There's a whole section for regulatory information, transport information referring
to DOT and other transport organizations, disposal considerations, and then
carcinogenic effects, carcinogenicity, which is a fun word, germ cell mutagenicity,
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which I think maybe what he's referring to is I
don't see much on here about the impact on fetuses
per se, but I guess that's the issue, right, This
was like maybe something that was outside the scope of
what was understood to be dangerous about this thing, and
according to the EPA, not able to be properly mitigated
(14:28):
enough with those actions that mister E was talking about
in terms of like the goal would be to reduce exposure,
that would be the goal. And it looks like EPA,
with their ruling emergency ruling, determine this thing is not mitigatable.
Is that kind of your perspective there as well. Matt
from the original story.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, because the big concern was mothers, right.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Right, But this document doesn't say anything about that, doesn't
say anything about dangers to you know, fetuses or unborn children.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, does talk about rabbits and uh rats and other
creatures that they tested acute toxicity on it and it's
not great.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
They're mammalions, so it would transfer, right, the same concerns
could be.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's a it's like an evil version of credit transferring
through different universities. If something hurts one kind of creature,
it can hurt a similar creature one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Gosh, it's one of those that they write in this
these materials, the mystery sent like, do not allow this
material to drain into sewers or water supplies. Wait, what
happens with crops, guys? You uh oh, you water them
with giant watering systems. And where does that water go?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Well, groundwater, and that goes places that can ultimately end
up in homes.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It says, do not contaminate ponds, waterways or with this chemical.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
This really does remind me of the many pieces of
correspondence we've received from fellow conspiracy realist again in the
pesticide industry, there's a monopolization again as we spoke about
with Big Bug, right, I think that's what we called it.
There is a concerted effort to accelerate or I would
(16:29):
say maintain, if not accelerate, the discrepancy between expert knowledge
right and scholarship versus the public awareness. Similar to lead pipes, right,
the idea of lead's effect on people or you know,
(16:51):
I might get in trouble for this one, but the
lidamide is pretty dangerous and the non research the known
proving consequences of exposure to thlidibide, those consequences were buried
quite successfully. There was a conspiracy to bury the results
(17:15):
of thlidibide exposure. So we have to ask ourselves not
whether this stuff is one hundred percent dangerous, We have
to ask ourselves why the public is not more readily
empowered with information about exposure to these substances.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
One hundred percent. And I also really appreciate the point
mister emakes in the email about how you know if
this were to be used like in a park and
you were picnicking or like rolling around in the grass,
that would be a much more dangerous transmission of this
stuff than say, a golf course. But if I remember correctly,
one of the things that perhaps I snarkily, you know,
(17:56):
commented on it was the idea that, oh, they're not
going to do anything about it. The rich people complain
because it's contaminating their golf course. And I think that
might on my part, have been a bit of an oversimplification,
but it's hard to ignore that that aspect of it
does seem to have moved the needle to some degree. Agreed.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And if you want to learn more about just these
you know, chemical dangerous chemicals we're talking about. Been that
story from East Palestine that we talked about, gosh a
long time ago. There's new reporting coming out over the
past like week and a half, two weeks just about
the dangers that the cleanup workers faced and how many
people actually got very, very sick from cleaning up these chemicals.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I really appreciate you bringing that up, Matt, because I'm
still in contact with a lot of those folks. Wow,
thank you. You know, it's it's rare that I would
be in articulate there, but that means a world to
the folks in East Palestines. Well, let's remember just because
headline is no longer in the news, it doesn't mean
(18:59):
the story is over.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Thank you man, very very true. Thanks as well, Matt,
and thanks to you, mystery. You're gonna take a quick
pause here a word from our sponsor, and then come
back with some more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And we've returned, and we are taking a little international trip, guys,
based on a voicemail we got from surf writer. Now
I cannot discern with my ear holes if it is
w R I T E R or R I D
e R or some other word in there. I'm gonna
say surf writer is in one who rights the surf,
(19:39):
because that just feels good to me. But here we.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Maybe we let the listeners be the judge.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Huh, there we go. What do you think? Let's find
out here's surf Writer's message.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Hey, this is a surf writer. Love the show, but
listening to it, I can't even count that the number
of years. But I recently heard about scamming institutions that
are incredibly large. Shall look at too, KK Park and
KK Park two. I'm not sure if you've talked about
them before, but I think it'd be a fascinating story
(20:12):
to government piece.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
There we go scamming institutes. It's a way surf writer
described the places we're about to explore, and we called
them KK Park and KK Park two. I'll tell you
guys what I found immediately, and then jump into what
you guys know about this already, because maybe you already
have some information. It was brand new to me when
(20:35):
I searched. I got a South China Morning Post or whatever.
It's that same source we just talked about on Strange News,
and it was an exclusive story at least according to
the site. Published on July twenty second, twenty twenty three,
so last year. And this is the title inside the
(20:55):
Chinese run crime hubs of Me and Mar that are
conning the world. And then it has a colon and
a quotation and it says we can.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Kill you here unquote.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And then I can't read the article because I'm not subscribed,
but I do. I'll read you the two like subtitles
here from Schwekoco s hwe ko Kko to KK Park,
A slew of brutal criminal enterprises now dot the Moai
River that forms me and Mars border with Thailand. Survivors
(21:31):
ensnared by promises of legitimate work spoke to this week
in Asia. That's another publication of trafficking, torture and being
forced to defraud strangers online.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So this KK park, it's like, it's literally like an
office park where these types of activities are going down.
Is that the idea?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well? That is that is my understanding. It's described often
as a work complex, a like work live complex, a
place where work can be done and people can be housed, right,
and you can also eat there because there's gonna be
some food.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
The commissary, the scam, the scam commissary, right.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It's very live laugh love.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yes, guys, I don't know if you we. I think
we did an ad for it a while back. But
did you guys see the Jason Stathan movie The Bee Keeper.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I've not seen it.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I think it's excellent. I think it's really fun. But
basically it revolves around like a mega organized scam operation
that is like in a proper office building where people
are using computers and the scamming old ladies out of
their pensions and stuff like that. And it really doesn't
make me think of this this level. It has to
be some of the scams that we get over here.
I wonder on phone stuff for spoofing and various things
(22:46):
that are preying on people that aren't as tech savvy.
There have to be pretty significant operations behind some of them. Well, yeah,
I mean this is very interesting. When you look at
the aerial maps, it's like it's like an office park
and I just I'm picturing a beekeeper type of.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well, so let's mention here. According to surf writer and
to some of the writing, the initial writing that at
least we've seen on this, it does appear that what's
being described here are these complexes multiple by the way,
that exist along the border of Thailand and Me and
mar that kind of specialize in getting workers to the location,
(23:23):
either you know, through some type of ad or word
of mouth or by I guess the phrase would be
conning them into like migrant workers to coming to this location,
similarly to how we've described it in the past, where
then the passport and other identification materials are controlled by
someone or some entity that is also on site, and
(23:45):
then they are forced to do whatever work it is
to pay off a debt, right, a travel debt or
whatever debt that the company the individuals come up with
exactly is.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Trick in the book. They keep the passports, they keep
the travel papers, and you're basically at their mercy if
they ever even will release you.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Right, Yeah, And I just according to this one institution
that I've never heard of this, Maybe you guys have
heard of this, the United States Institute of Peace.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It sounds made up.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Sounds like they will once again point out the danger
of innocuous names for organizations.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, I would agree in an Orwell novel, they'd be
the ones making all the war, you know, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But I think you're on I think you're onto something.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I think there's something to this. I don't know any
thing about it. This is an institute that was created
after this thing passed, called the United States Institute of
Peace Act in nineteen eighty four, and their mission is
to quote serve the people in the government through the
widest possible range of education and training, basic and applied
(24:54):
research opportunities. That's an interesting statement. And Peace Information Services
on the means to promote international peace and the resolution
of conflicts among the nations and peoples of the world
without recourse to violence. So, according to them, that group,
there are around twenty thousand workers who are either in
(25:16):
a state of indentured servitude or are there working on
their own volition. It's hard to know, but there are
twenty thousand workers at this one KK park, and then
there are multiples of those if you imagine the number
of human beings who are actively working to run whatever
scams are I guess on the menu there.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Look, the world is big and a lot of terrible
things are happening all the time, right the world is
ending for someone every single minute of an evening. And
it reminds me a bit of the idea of like
you guys, remember the game Roomscape. I'm going somewhere with this.
(25:59):
The video game, like myst it's an old game, it
is still active. It is a sort Mining resources in
RuneScape is a viable economic pursuit for people in Venezuela.
(26:19):
And it's such a big deal that when power is cut,
when the power goes out in Venezuela, you can measure
the you can measure the fluctuations in what people pay
in the old school game RuneScape. This again goes to
the idea of the stories continuing past the headlines. Households
(26:45):
in Myanmar are crippled right now, currency is tumbling to
a low Meanmar is a vassal state of China. It
is in operative uh not quite hot boar, not quite
kinetic war, but it is in a very sensitive geopolitical
(27:06):
situation and the idea of anything we would consider human
rights doesn't really exist there right now. And this is
a crazy thing because there are a lot of Chinese
nationals who are like you said, Matt, they're incentivized, or
(27:28):
they're tempted or somehow sometimes coerced into these border towns.
And these people are coming from Thailand, from Laos, from Cambodia,
as far away as Hong Kong and Taiwan, and they're
put there, are lured there the same way that domestic
(27:49):
workers are lured into certain Middle Eastern countries. And just
as you said, their passports are taken, they are put
into indentured tude right slaves in all operative terms, and
there there's not really anybody sticking up for them, which
(28:10):
is a very dangerous thing. That's that's what I saw.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I think we should stand up and I think we
need to make this whole episode.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It goes so deep into the holding companies that run
some of the online gambling outfits that are running in
places like Yatai New City, which is a part of
that Shwekoco Place, companies like Yatai International Holdings Group and
Chitlin Mayang Company that work together to do this stuff.
(28:40):
There's apparently one of one of the companies involved is
owned by a fugitive, like a Chinese fugitive. Well again,
like it's tough to know in the moment if I
can trust some of these sources that I'm looking at,
But there it goes deep, and I think if we
parse through a lot of it, we can get to
the bottom of a story about exactly where you're describing
(29:02):
Ben just using those border town who I was gonna
I was gonna use the phrase limital spaces where the
law kind of applies, but you know, kind of doesn't.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And it's easier just to leave well enough alone in
certain cases, especially if it's like contained and it's not
bleeding out into the potential governing countries, like in terms
of like if there were violence being done or if
it was like cartel type stuff, then they'll probably be
a different story. But if they're keeping it, keeping to
themselves with this as it seems that they are right.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Well, yeah, and if they're conning people in America and
countries across vast oceans, maybe it's not that big of
a concern. And if the people who are running these
operations are genuinely dangerous, you know, human beings part of
genuinely dangerous organizations, then you don't You got it? Well,
(29:57):
you have to choose your actions very carefully.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
It's right, Ben. Can I get you to clarify something
for me? I'm sorry if I missed it. You mentioned
that game RuneScape and like something about power. I just
I want to understand the connection there, because it made
me think of a Neil Stevenson book called REOMNDI, where
there's like these Chinese it's like a massive multiplayer online
game and there's like gold farming that takes place, and
(30:22):
it's a way of like hiding criminal activity and like
almost like a secret currency in a way of like
you know, paying for things with this like in game currency.
I'm just wondering if that was any connection or how
that pertained to this type of activity. Hopy.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, to be specific, Venezuela due to the who everybody
read Confessions of an Economic Hitman first off, but Venezuela
is having an economic collapse, okay, and it's not in
a good place. The people of Venezuela are in a
(30:57):
really tough spot such that it has become a viable career,
a means of survival to mine or grind in the
game RuneScape, the old school game RuneScape. And we know
this is a real and measurable thing because when the
(31:20):
power goes out in Venezuela and parts of Venezuela, like
in Canakas, so like when the power goes out, the
value of stuff in that online game RuneScape fluctuates. If
you want to learn more about it, folks, check out
this has been going on for years. You could check
(31:41):
out articles from twenty twenty. Here's one I'm just off
the dome googling how RuneScape is helping Venezuelan survive May
twenty eighth, twenty twenty by Matt Ompler. And that's a
tangential reference to what you're taught talking about, Matt, which
is the process going on now in meandmar But people's lives.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Are on the line, and I guess, Matt, is this
are there some people that are part of this willingly do?
I mean again, I guess this is tough. We have
to dig and find, you know, because obviously they're the
top dogs, the people that are supervising it, making the
big money. But it seems like a lot of it
is tant amount to kidnapping, and you know, in dentur
and servitude, I just wonder if there are echelons and
(32:29):
like what that looks like. It's very, very troubling and fascinating.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It appears that it's organized criminal activity that is controlling
these sites. You can see reporting out of CNN from
May twenty twenty three. Title of this it's it's archived,
so I don't know if you can actually find the
original one anymore, but a genuine archived CNN article titled
six Filipinos rescued from human trafficking syndicates in Me and
(32:56):
mar And what they are described here are people who
got basically taken into KK Park, then taken to another
place called Century Park in Mayowadi, Myawaddy, and they were
able to cross the border into Thailand and escape. So
human beings that are being forced to work there that
(33:18):
are escaping, they're talking about torture at least once they
get free. They're talking about taking part in cryptocurrency and
love scams specifically while they're there, and again imagining that
that's happening probably across the ocean, if not just targeting
other places that they see as very wealthy these criminal organizations.
(33:41):
It's that there was a BBC article specifically talking about
scams in Cambodia and again like very similar places, they
all mention KK Park by the way, So that is
probably our starting point, just the way it was with
surf Writer's message. Start there and expand out and just
see what we can find.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Greed appreciate your time immensely, surf wright er, thank you
for bringing this to the forefront, because I think we
can all agree this is something that is unfamiliar and
specific to a lot of people in the West. When
we're talking about online gambling or video games, it may
(34:18):
sound innocuous, it very much is not. We are talking
about human trafficking. The memr and Thailand border is worrius,
which means quite a bit of trafficking occurs, and quite
often the authorities, the people who are supposed to protect
other people, look the other way and indeed may participate
(34:43):
in crime.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Do you think there's any connection to the way, like,
you know, stuff that happens with Cartel's on the US
Mexico borders politicized or is it just a different kind
of ball of axe? I guess, because you know, you
do see that trickle into the United States to a
point where it can become a political talking point of
like they're they're this porous aspect is causing us harm.
(35:08):
I just wonder if there's any of that taking place
in this situation on you know, the other side of
that Horus border.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I really don't know. I'm sorry, I'm about a bit
of a loss here.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I just don't think so many things to look into,
big questions.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, yes, agreed, I'm just looking in this BBC article
talking about sites in Cambodia. Now, there's just so much
of this going on. We got to sift through it.
So we will do that. Let us know if you
have any more information, and we will be right back
with more messages from you.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And we have returned with a choice for our intrepid
host here. Do you guys want to hear an unhinged,
hilarious conspiracy email or do you want to hear from
Tom and the Dragon?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Oh, geez, unhinged? First, Matt, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, and then let's write the dragon.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Okay, all right, let's see how let's say how far
we get here?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Uh, here we go? Iguanta tell you something By R.
Tilliam mcscaley. Greetings, host, longtime listener, first time emailer. Literally,
I've never sent an email before. I find that telepathy
gets things done faster, although it can get pretty crowded sometimes,
and I end up accidentally telling my Grandmaster how much
(36:32):
I hate his all hands meetings. I was alerted to
the fact that an audio teaching was being broadcast by
the fine folks at std WYTK. I believe you call
it a podcast, which is funny really, since to us
a podcast is simply the implemented system we have to
dispatch vessel pods to and from Earth. We all had
(36:54):
a great lol about that in the Orifice office. Curse
these webbed hands.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh wait, okay, wait, hold on, is this like a
lizard person? Who is this? Okay?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They're clearly sending pods to and from Earth.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Tide pods for the children to eat. No, what what
mischief is this person up to? Please go on, we
must hear more.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
And mcscalley continues, you hit on some good points. A
few quite accurate, but luckily they were told in jest,
and the validity of such an existence cease to be
taken seriously by the listening subjects. Okay, I don't know,
maybe I'm losing myself here. Here we go, continue on.
Have you ever considered that a common symbol, statue, monument
(37:43):
that you have in your land was deliberately created to
communicate that my lords have complete control over your actions?
You call it lady justice.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
We thought it would be too obvious, but we quickly
realized that the primate brain is more interested in calling
a lady because she seems to have memory bags and
not realize what's actually being represented. First of all, and
I mean, come on, one hand is carrying scales. Let
me emphasize the word scales. I'll let you continue figuring
(38:16):
that one out.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Second scales. Everybody think about that reptile choke. Secondly, the sword, This,
what I admit, is trickier. You see, just like on
your planet, there are some lizards no relation, that lose
their tail when confronted by danger. We reptilions also have
(38:38):
that ability. However, being much larger in size, our tail
doesn't fall off that easily. So we have our own swords.
I'm saying, swartz swords to help quicken the process. It
really is a b word.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Cut their own tails of this is well psychotic, all right,
I think we're getting the homest matt All right.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Here we go third. So we've got the scales, We've
got the sword. Here it comes third, the blind fold.
No justice is not blind. Its eyes are very much awake.
Or since we have the double layered eyelid, we like
to joke that their eyes wide shut.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Get it.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I mentioned this once during the studio filming of the
moon landing, and this guy Stan who's doing the filming,
just bust a gut right there. He wrote it on
a napkin and always wondered what he'd do with it. AnyWho,
I digress. The blindfold is to signify our hidden place
in your world, working unseen from the shadows.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
He's drag upon Easter eggs. It's cause stuff. Yeah. The
less said about the Statue of Liberty, the better, ah excrement.
I have to go. Mother is calling for our feedings,
and I hate to get another tongue lashing, a literal one.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Believe me, you don't want to get slapped by that thing.
It's like being hit with a wet fish wrapped in sandpaper.
Talk so mother time, I'm getting the hang of this
electronic mailing system. Be in touch, XENU, be with you.
So say we all okay? So say we all all right?
(40:14):
Did we get an important message? Or is that unhinged?
What do you guys think? Oh?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, well we got a super important message. We need
to get to the PostScript though, because that's what makes
it all makes sense.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Ah, yes, matt why do you take us home on
that one?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Well?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
The PostScript and then mc sally wrote, is go ahead
and use this in my name on the casting pod.
They'll never believe you. They'll just think I have become strange.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I am become strange. Oh and it's mccalely, Matthew, mc sally, Scooby.
Do the hell out of this one, guys, that was
a lot of fun. We sure did.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Thank you very much, mcscaley. We think also, uh, thank
you and apaulogies to codename Doc Holliday for having to
edit our off by conversations on this. We have so
much more to get to. We have one letter from home.
We wanted to give a very special congratulations to our
(41:17):
pals the Devil Family to Rebel Devil. We talked about
this a little bit off air. Turns out one of
our favorite conspiracy realist couples has just tied the knot,
jumped the broom, made the.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Matrimony, getting hitched.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah on purpose?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Whoa bold move. Four.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Now we talked with We talked with Rebel, and Rebel said,
I'll leave it to you and the crew as you
all are excellent wordsmiths for the exact verbiage, but please
say something along the lines of wishing us here it goes, guys,
a life of happiness adventure, and maybe throw in an
(42:07):
alien or UFO reference because those are my wife's favorite
episodes and conspiracies. Yeah, can do we got a good
UFO reference.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Oh it's got to be now, Okay, sorry, I justent
those are some of our favorite episodes too. I don't know, man,
I can't I can't do it. I can't do it
on command like that. What a reference kind of has
to happen organically. I don't know how to just like
bust it out. But I'm not as I'm not as
clever as you guys. Maybe y'all can do I.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Don't know if we've got a UFO reference, I would
just say, considering your matrimony is nigh.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It is strange that I randomly went UFO UAP hunting
for the first time last weekend as we're recording this,
that's true, and I bought some equipment.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
And telescope with a science buddy, right, didn't you have
a science pal?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Oh yeah, science pal Scott Scottie and Nick, who was
the reason I was out there. Shout out to you,
Nicholas and your lake that is almost a pond but
a little too big, so it's a lake.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
A lake that he owns. I just I don't know
why I can't get my head around that, but I will.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I will just tell you guys right now, just to
bring this up. And I'm sorry, I don't want to
capitalize too much time here, but I saw some things
that initially as just old Maddie two hands Frederick guy
looking up at the sky with some sophisticated equipment. I
saw some stuff that my brain said, Hey, that's kind
of weird. I don't I don't like that. I can't
(43:39):
understand that with my current understanding of what goes around
comes around up there. And my friend Scott who is
He's been interested in this stuff forever. He's had a telescope.
You know that you can make out Saturn from here
really really well. He said that since he was a kid,
and he explained some things to me that made it
(43:59):
a lot more a lot less scary. I think with
some of the lights that I saw up.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
There in the sky, do you care to share with
the glass so we too can be less scared.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Well, it was a specific thing about satellites and certain
movements when the Sun is at a certain position relative
to the Earth, and the way sun rays can still
hit things that are that high up. Right, they're still
in orbit, but they're that high up and the sun
can hit them. And depending on stuff like cloud cover
(44:33):
and where they're moving relative to you know, mountains and
elevation of the Earth, you can get weird little stuff
that happens where you'll see a shiny circle or you know,
spherical object in the sky kind of flash past for
a second, but you realize, oh, that's definitely not you know,
some kind of meteor or you know, we just went
(44:54):
through the shower. What was the meteor shower? Yeah, and
it was right around the same time and It definitely
wasn't that. But he just explained to me some things
that made me feel better.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Does that make sense, Yes, it does, and it makes
sense not just in a literal and scientific perspective, Matt,
but also in a metaphorical perspective. To you, the newly
minted honeymooning Devil couple conspiracy realist, everyone is an object
(45:28):
in space, and let us imagine, let us look with
true amazement upon the inexplicable odds that you two objects
in space would align, would become undivisible. That's not a word,
(45:49):
it's American English. But you are objects together.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I think that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
That is a beautiful thing, Ben, you kind of just
quoted the word I spoke to my ex wife when
we got hitched. The improbable nature of these two conscious,
conscious beings coming together to form one system, that is
that you can use that I like, Oh.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
My god, we're bigging up. We're biging up our guy here. Well, congratulations, folks,
join us in congratulating the newly minted Devils, And we
also want to thank you for tuning in. As we say,
you're the most important part of the show. We are
(46:34):
so grateful to Tom of Tom and the Dragon, to mccali,
to surf Writer or Writer, to mister e and also
some folks we'll hear from in the future, including Dilly.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Oh, and I'm sorry I offer my congratulations to the
happy couple as well. Sorry I didn't want to be
a downer there. Congrats you too. And hey, if you
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Speaker 2 (47:17):
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Just do give yourself a cool nickname and let us
(47:38):
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