Do you anthropormorphize inanimated objects? Ben has a pantheon of them. Side Pocket Kid writes in about the concept of alternative power and microgeneration. On Instagram, Rebel reveals Nazi-branded drugs are sweeping Europe. A new UAP sighting in California. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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They call me Ben.
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If you're hearing this, The Evening publishes Congratulations, folks. We've
made it midway through July twenty twenty four and we
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are joined with our favorite part of the show, you
and your fellow listeners. We're gonna hear about Nazi drugs.
It's a real thing. Still FedEx in the We've got
a great UAP story, a little bit more insurance. We've
been going through an insurance rabbit hole, and some responses
to our ideas about how best to create micro generation.
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Before we do any of that, we were talking off
here about about something that really really stood out to
me and I think a lot of us in the
crowdsnight are going to identify it. With this I don't
know about you, guys, but I anthropomorphize so many inanimate objects.
I am in like deep, it's not quite parasocial, but
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I'm in deep sustained relationships with weird things like the
good fork and so like.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The one that doesn't have the time, that somewhat bet
where it's giving you the finger. You guys, have you
ever seen those little hooks they use in bathrooms where
you can hang up like your jacket or whatever. If
you look at them, they kind of look like an
octopus that's trying to box with you. That's sort of
squinting an eye at you. You know, Yeah, it's true.
Dude's whole Instagram accounts things that look like basins. There's
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also one called like Sinister toilets. I really think it
is a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So maybe for this as we get into tonight's program, uh,
just think along, look around your environment while you're while
you're hanging out with us this evening, folks, and tell
us right to us conspiracy diheartradio dot com, and tell
us your favorite inanimate object that you have ascribed a
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personality too.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We want to learn all about.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It, especially if there's one that you anthropomorphize and don't
care for you know what.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I means, like a sinister toilet perhaps, Yeah, all right,
it's time to jump into listener mail. This one comes
to us, uh via the side pocket kid, which I love.
I don't exactly know what that means, but I think
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it's cool. I mean, I guess it's sort of like
a Western Yeah, oh, that's right, the side pocket. Yeah.
For some reason, I'm thinking of like our all pockets
on the side, But no, certainly some are on the
back and some are on the front. But traditional pants pockets,
you know, do reside on the side. But this is
most definitely a pool reference, a Billiard's reference.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Or pants kind of just themselves a pocket for your left.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Two open ends. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, everything is a
pocket if you really think about it. The ever anthromomorphized
pockets is that the good pocket?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I know what the good pocket is?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah you do. Yeah, Well, it's always like, well it
depends side or what hands you write with.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I think every living entity or every entity in general,
has its own like personal mythology of these little beliefs,
like the idea that maybe the left hand is for
taking energy the right hand is for giving it.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Stuff like that. Side. Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Oh man, dude, have you ever been in a majority
Muslim country and eaten with your left hand? Not a
good look. People won't get mad at you, but they
will assume that you are dirty fair enough.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I do like it when things are in the pocket,
as they say, which this email most definitely is. Ben
You tease it beautifully. Hey, guys, just listen to your
most recent strange news episode and I really enjoyed the
conversation about converting the heat from the ai GPUs into
usable power. I am an electrical technologist who works for
a private utility company, and thinking of different methods to
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harness power into already built infrastructure is something that I
love to do. Personally, I would love to see micro
generation everywhere, aside from the usual solar panels and wind
turbines on roofs. One pilot project caught my eye was
run in Portland, Oregon. They tested installing micro water turbines, turbines,
turbines whatever, I think, they're interchangeable roughly into the existing
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water main system. I found the article from good Net
to be a decent read. Guys. I linked to that
in the dock if you want to take a quick
look it is in fact quite a good read coming
to us from good Net Gateway to Doing Good, written
by Bonnie Reva Rass, the deputy editor there at good Neet.
(05:20):
Going on with the email, thinking about all that Rabbit
hold me into thinking about the Venus Project, particularly about
city design and how we should be developing cities and
buildings and incorporate natural geographic features into the design process.
I think the Venus Project would make an excellent episode,
and I would love to hear you guys do a
deep dive and hear your thoughts on it. Anyways, I
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love the show and all the work you guys put
into it kept me company on mini a car ride.
Feel free to use this on air. If you guys
find any value in it, you can call me side
pocket kid, cheers and say weird. I love everything about this.
This is one of those things where week I think, Matt,
it was you where it was just like, this has
to happen. This has to be a thing someone's thinking about.
This is a perfect example of parallel thinking or just
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seeing a need where it just doesn't make sense for
this kind of technology not to exist. Unfortunately, as we know,
with many companies, their primary focus isn't necessarily helping the environment.
It is more making money for their shareholders and you know,
making their bottom line, and of course than some above
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their bottom line preferably. But this pilot program, we'll get
to the Venus project in a bit. That might be
bigger discussion for another day. But this program in Portland,
Oregon is essentially just that. There is a field known
as micro generation where you can essentially funnel pre existing infrastructure,
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tap pre existing infrastructure into other forms of electrical generation.
And we know hydroelectric power is already created by the
movement of water. And in the city of Portland they
installed a hydropower system that captures energy as water flows
through its main pipelines and.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Very pollish and hydropower so cool.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Because we know hydropower already exists. I mean, we all
went to the Hoover Dam together and that was a
thing to behold. And that's like the very definition of
industrious thinking behind hydroelectric power. Harnessing the you know, the
powers of nature or whatever. Why not build smaller generation
sources like this into the water pipes of a city,
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so every time someone turns on the tap and causes
the water to flow or change pressure or what have you.
A little bit of electricity is generated and it either
goes back into the grid or it's captured or stored
or whatever. So let's see unlixular power. The article says,
or wind. The system can generate electricity in any weather, anytime,
since water is always flowing through them and there's absolutely
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no impact on water delivery or equality. Here comes a
quote from Greg Semer or similar rept CEO of Lucid Energy,
the Portland based startup that built the system, and he's
speaking to fast companies saying, it's pretty rare to find
a new source of energy where there's no environmental impact.
But this is inside a pipe, so no fish or
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endangered species are impacted. That's what's exciting. Lucid Energy designed
and installed four of these. Let's see forty two. I'm
not sure what this jet with this metric is here.
It's it's a it's a way of measuring kilowatt. Yes, okay,
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got it, thank you. Forty two inch fifty kilt power
generating turbine pipes into one of the city's main water lines.
The power that it generates is then sent right into
the electrical grid, so it's it doesn't even need to
be sorted, just adds capacity to the grid. And as
we know with all of this AI stuff, the issue
there becomes one of capacity where if we don't plan
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for this stuff, and as we know, you know, with
the heat this generated in a lot of places, the
climate rather brownouts, rolling power outages can be a thing.
I believe Texas was a real offender in that department
where there were just like tons of these rolling power
outages due to heat there because they didn't do any
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kind of future proofing to this infrastructure. So, you know,
we know Portland is a pretty liberal and technologically forward
thinking part of the country, so it kind of makes
sense that a pilot program like this would be there.
It says here too, since water utilities use a huge
amount of electricity, this type of system can make it
cheaper to provide water for municipalities that can use the
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power themselves or sell it as a source of revenue.
I do think this is really really interesting. I don't
know how exactly we would be able to where folks
would be able to accomplish this with harnessing the GPUs,
But I don't see how Matt's idea of just adding
an additional small turbine to these potentially hundreds of thousands
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of processors that are generating heat and causing them to spin,
couldn't generate some meaningful amount of energy. I don't know,
Maybe maybe we go back to that, because it does
seem like the question then becomes one of scale and
is it worth doing if it's not done on a
large enough scale. But this seemed to be like one municipality,
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one city, and it does seem to be of value.
So I don't know. I do think that there's some
something to think about here.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Let's just make the GPU's waterproof, put them in the
water mains. We'll just ligne our water mains with GPUs.
That are all I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Oh sorry, no, no, like I Like I said earlier,
I think the hydro power is the way to go,
you know, if the geography works out similar to geothermal
power in Iceland. There's some great fascinating thing. First off side,
pocket kid S, if I could be familiar with you,
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thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I've been on a.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Little rabbit hole about exactly what an electrical technologist does,
and I find it amazing and important, so you must also,
I'm sure be well aware of the tidal power experiments
that we mentioned briefly. I think out in Europe there
is tremendous opportunity here. The ideas are to the point
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and no made earlier side pocket kit. The idea of
microgeneration and the threshold of scale is endlessly fascinating to
me because it's decentralizing in a way. It's decentralizing some
of the power grid. Like if we get a toolkit
of microgenerators from all sorts of different energy sources, then
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we're also we're addressing some of the problems of centralized
power sources, and we're addressing the all your chickens and
when all your eggs one kind of basket situation, because
then if for some reason one kind of power source
is no longer as feasible or as viable, then we
automatically have some backups baked in. It is an awesome idea.
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It'd be really cool to roll it out and SPK
if you can write to us again and let us
know after you hear this, we'll follow up as well.
Why do you think this has not been rolled out
at a larger scale to Knowle's original question here, because
it really could be a game changer, and I think
we're all on the same page with that.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, when I google like harnessing GPU for electric energy generation,
the only articles I get are talking about I guess,
streamlining the way GPUs consume power. So it does not
seem that this is something that is being discussed. And
it may And you know, if this individual who wrote
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to a side pocket kid, you know, has a background
and stuff, he didn't immediately say we were full of crap,
I do think there might be something to that, you know,
and the fact that no one's talking about this it
may just be that question of scale, but we know that. Well,
here's the thing. I guess what we're talking about is
the fans that are in play here are being powered
by electricity and designed to cool the GPUs, but we
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do know they also get really hot, and I'm wondering
if there's a way to funnel that heat into some
other form of energy, and if there's enough of them
happening at the same time, then it maybe could be meaningful.
Or maybe it's just not nearly enough. It's a drop
in the bucket and we're totally barking up the wrong tree.
But it does seem like in the face of this
increased demand that there ought to be some quid pro
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quo way of kind of giving back to the grid,
you know, balancing the scales a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, it's really tough because you got to first have
the idea somehow, then know how to actually implement a prototype,
then convince a bunch of investors somewhere either on a
city level, state level, a level, a company level. Then
you gotta pay a lot of money to make it
happen for the first time, and then spread those costs
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out over you know, years and years and years. So
when you're thinking when we're talking about the water main
hydro electric generation, you're talking about ben with this article
we were looking at, I imagine the costs of actually
going in and retrofitting pipes or adding in new pipes
so that would have this system in them.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Especially with aging pipes and infrastructures like we have here
in Atlanta or in other parts of the country like
in Michigan. Sorry, they're not, no, no, it is a conundrum.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
You know, it would be tremendously expensive. You'd need an
infrastructure bill or something, you know, where there's a bunch
of money injected into a system just shout out, I
guess to that. But this type of thing we're talking
about where you use an existing energy source that is
just out there, that is happening all the time, reliably,
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and maybe even power is used to generate that initial
energy source, right, So I'm thinking about in that same
place goodnet dot org. There's an article from twenty eighteen
about a young inventor who had the idea of setting
up these plastic sheets along London's rail lines, which would
then flutter in the wind as a train went by,
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which would generate electricity through the movement of those sheets. Like,
how brilliant is that? And why wouldn't Why aren't we
doing stuff like that all over the place? Where cars
go by on a highway and there's an overpass, you
set something up down there that just generates electricity, even
if it's small, if you do it enough times, that
kind of thing adds up.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Or material science with pavement we studied this, yeah, and
car stuff as well, Like going back to the generation
of power from tides, it's already there, it's just there,
weighs the channel. I would add one important piece of
the puzzle that we haven't hit yet. Part of the
reason and side pocket kid tell me, tell me how
how real this is or how overblown it is, but
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it seems to be. One of the big stumbling blocks
is the is the fact that there are embedded stakeholders
who do quite well with the imperfect status quo as
it is at this point. So they're the ones you
have to not antagonize, but you have to pitch them,
and you have to convince them that this is a
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long term, better aka more profitable concept. And I don't
think it's a difficult argument to make. I just personally
don't know enough about the ins and outs of the
policy horse trading that has to occur to get you know,
your Georgia powers or what have you, is your cons
on board with something that, in their opinion, might not
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seem proven at scale. You kind of have to be
like the first guy who convinced someone to let them
build a skyscraper, you know what I mean. They want
to know it's not going to collapse.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I just want to say that I just found you know,
it's read it to take it the grain of salt.
I don't know this person's credentials, but I'm seeing a
few folks chiming in and it doesn't seem this is
the most out there perspective on the planet. But this
person rift Blade MC on this Reddit thread saying GPUs
are almost as efficient as normal electrical heaters. Energy cannot
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be created or destroyed, only converted. The GPU consumes electricity,
it converts it into a few types of power. It
converts a small portion into sound coil wine, which is
a thing. It's a phenomenon where you can actually have
an electronic component that generates sounds. It's actually not supposed
to happen, but it can happen. It converts a small
portion into kinetic energy the fans on the GPU cooler,
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but almost all of it is converted into heat. GPUs
are probably around one percent less efficient at converting electricity
into heat than a normal electric heater. There are a
few other types of heaters. Some heaters are gas heaters,
which are less However, I know that usually cheap gas
is cheaper than electric for the same amount of heating,
so gas is more cost effective than GPUs. Then there
are also heat pumps, which this came up in our
previous conversation, which instead of generating heat from energy, they
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work by extracting heat from the air outside and putting
that heat into the air in your room. This allows
heat pumps to be the most energy efficient and cost effective.
I think there's something to it, guys, I really do.
Who do we talk to get them on the cakes?
I mean, this is getting me kind of excited because
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it really does seem like it's a bit of an
untapped thing, and people have been having these conversations, so
I don't know. I say thank you kindly to UH
to a side pocket kid for giving us this way
in and I want to I want to hear more
about this. Could you even write back to us or
maybe leave us a voicemail Side Pocket at A one
A through three s td W y t K. Let
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us know if we're completely barking up the wrong UH
microchip when it comes to this idea of the heat
that's generated by these and could they be harnessed in
a way that is positive. Let us know. We're gonna
take quick break here we're from our sponsor and come
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Speaker 2 (19:05):
And we've returned Jeff Arnold, we know you're still out there,
Marshall brain Ben I was thinking about conversations way back
nol I don't think you were here yet. Way back
with Marshall Brain about car innovations, specifically in road innovation
with like vehicles that would be electric and they'd be
powered as they drive, kind of like the way some
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of the new technology with phones where you can just
place a phone, you know, on a surface that will
allow it to charge. Yeah, exactly, the exactly with the
I don't know whatever works science. That stuff gets me
so excited.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
He's electric materials what they're called.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I was super into it a long time ago. So SPK, Yeah,
please let us know why it's not happening at a
larger scale.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think we all got excited about it back in
the day when it was like a thing and it
was like a new You're like, whoa, that's gonna be amazing. Well, hey,
you know what else people were into back in the day,
sitting out by the pool back in twenty fifteen, just
like Burker Berserker was. So we're gonna hear a message
right now about.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
That irma ger Berker Berserker.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
He Matt ben Nol and super Producers. My name is
Burker the Berserker, and I have a UFO or a
UAP black triangle sighting to get off my chest. Back
in twenty fifteen, when I was around seventeen or eighteen,
I was at my neighborhood pool in Oceanside, California. And
by the way, the name of the neighborhood is just
a capri if you want to look it up on
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Google Maps. And I was laying down after a mile
swim with my legs in the hot sub and staring
at the sky. Now this is important. I was laying
down with my head pointing south southeast and my legs
are pointing north northeast. And then when I was laying there,
you know, it was probably nine or ten at night,
I saw something like a giant black check mark with
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seven red almost infrared lights underneath it. You know, it
may have been eight because there was that one. There
was one light in the very point as well, so
there were three red infrared lights glowing on the left
side and there were four on the right side, and
you know, one in the middle. And it was just
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so creepy. It made no noise at all. It was
around twenty or thirty feet in length, and it moved
incredibly slowly, like incredibly slowly. It must have been five
or ten miles an hour, and it was roughly forty
to fifty feet above me, and it passed directly overhead.
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And you know, I wasn't I wasn't wearing anything but
my boxer shorts or my my Chums trunks at the time.
So and it went directly northwest to southeast, directly over me,
and I thought that I was being scanned. It looked
like I was scanned. At first, I thought it was
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a drone. But at the height it was, I would
have definitely heard the worrying and it made no noise.
It was absolutely silent. I really couldn't believe my eyes.
I didn't tell anybody about it that night, but the
next day I looked it up and I read on
black Triangles and it was so eerie but so so cool. Anyways,
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i'd like to hear what you have to say about it.
By the way, I've always enjoyed your show. I'm a
longtime listener, and you've always given me virtual comfort when
I was driving home alone through the desert for work.
And keep up the great contents, keep spreading the truth.
I appreciate you all. This is Burger the Berserker Fining off.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Thanks so much, dude. Wow, what a cool story.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yes, thank you, Burger. I really appreciate that. I find
the comment about the asymmetry or perceived asymmetry as the
vehicle quite intriguing.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Right, was one led just out? Maybe? No the way
Burger Berserker described this craft as a check mark, which
is really interesting, and it does make you wonder if
it's just perception because there was maybe one LED that
was not working or one light who knows what the
light source was or was it actually you know, differently
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shaped like that, because that really does change my thoughts
on what this thing could have potentially been.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Do you have a running guess, yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was thinking just because of where that part is.
Did you guys look up ocean side California. Ocean side
California is well, I mean it's right on the coast,
so it's not like interior California it is I don't know,
let's say it's in between San Diego and Los Angeles,
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closer to San Diego, much closer actually.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Right down the way from Carlsbad, right.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yes, exactly exactly. And you know this this Pacific coast
over here, there's a lot of activity from the US military,
from the Navy, but most of it, will you guys
tell me, I'm aware of most of that activity happening
closer up to San Francisco, and then closer maybe down
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towards San Diego, but I don't know, maybe something passing
by or through there. It's interesting how specific Berserker is
about the direction right northeast, legs pointing northeast, head pointing
south southeast, and then the way this thing traveled from
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northwest to southeast. Because if we're talking from this location northwest,
that's along the coast, pretty much like heading up the
United States, and then heading southeast, that's heading down towards Mexico.
I don't know, do you guys have any thoughts on that.
I just really liked the story.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
One of the first things to do here, or what
I would do if writing an episode on this, would
be obviously, and Matt you've probably already done this. You
have as well. I imagine Burger look up the closest
Air Force baces or closest compounds for experimental craft. That's one,
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you know, you build out the references. The weird thing
is increasingly it was a little more skeptical in this
back in earlier evenings. But the weird thing is, there
are provably strange things in the sky. There are real
UAP or what we would call UFOs. This doesn't mean
they're necessarily aliens, doesn't mean they're necessarily all top secret,
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you know, skunk works projects, but there's definitely stuff out there.
One thing that we are always careful to do, and
it's a core tenant of our mission is not to
dismiss a siding out of hands, because that's incredibly unhelpful. Matt,
did you get a chance to speak with Burker directly
for any guesses on his part?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
No, I did not, But well along those lines, my
guesses were Camp Pendleton, which is a pretty big name,
something we've heard before on the show. Even if you're not,
you know, close to military or have been in the
military before, Camp Pendleton is a big deal. It is
just I guess it would be northwest of this area,
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actually just northwest of this specific Vista Caapri neighborhood in Oceanside, California,
which you know, there's a Marine Air Support squadron hanging
out right over there, the old you know airport that's
for military use only. There's also a raising canes by
the way, on that on Camp Pendleton, just like.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I didn't realize that place was so like Bloodard.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, there's a large Department of Homeland Security building that
is right on the coast basically if you headed straight
to the co from the house where Berserker was. I
don't know the shape, you guys, I want to know
more about that shape? Call in have you? Has anybody
heard of a check mark shaped craft like that? Because
it makes me think about some of the symbolism that
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companies use.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
You know, we talk.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
About the well we have talked about before on the show,
the shape of the NASA on their logo. There's that
little wisp kind of thing that's on there, and what
that actually represented. What this the Nike thing actually may
have been a couple other things like that about shapes
of craft and shapes of you know or potential craft. Right,
(27:37):
there's cool stuff out there. What's the check.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Mark right to us? Especially if you were piloting the
check mark?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Oh yeah, oh man from the CLB thirteenth Armory. I
don't know why they would be flying something like that though,
classic CLB. All right, so hey, let's jump to another
quick message here. This time from no One in particular. Guys,
I didn't know this, and I've always put in our
voicemail system as no space one in particular. We got
(28:08):
an email from this person and it is no one
like NWN, no One, no One.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
In particular and Roan but no one.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Exactly exactly like Rowan but no One. And this person
that we have come to know and love, had a
quick comment on something we were talking about about the
speed of life when we were just kind of briefly
mentioning that, and all I think you brought that up.
Uh So here is no One's message.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
This is no One in particular and as usual, you
are welcome to use this. No One mentioned apparent fluctuation
in the passage of time between being young and being old,
and it's far more than a parent I'm sure you're
about to mention, but I'd like to give you my
little take on it, which is that when you're vibe,
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year is twenty percent of your life, whereas now that
I'm fifty, it's only two percent and seems to fly by.
Just something I thought about one day. You guys have
a great showy man.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It makes me think of like the idea of dog years,
you know, the idea of like, what is the typical
span of a life and how does that compress and
contract to a being that inherently does not live as
long as a human being. And I think the answer
is simple. It's it's it's it's hugely important. Weeds as
humans are able to perceive it much more palpably than
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obviously a dog or a cat, you know, or the
lizards live a really long time like alligators. But I
do think that matters, and like, how much of your
life have you lived, and as you live longer, that
percentage changes, doesn't it. That's I think that's I can't
believe I've never quite thought.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
About it like that before. It's well put. I think
that is just yabe. That's what I really appreci shot
about it, and it makes you think about things different.
I was thinking about my son's life and just you know,
he was talking about how the summers are feeling shorter,
right and he's only eight, Like, oh man.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Sorry, that's sad. Thing that is so poetically melancholy, you know,
the summer is the seeming.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well just basically commenting how it feels like it's going
by fast. But in the end. For his perception, it's
actually good because he's done a lot this summer. Right
back in the day, summers were a lot less filled
with going places and doing things and traveling. I think
it means hopefully that his life is more full than.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It was before.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
At least that's the way I often think about it
when I think about how quick stuff goes. Think about, guys,
do you ever get that feeling when you look at
our listener mail Strange News doc just about how many
episodes of this particular thing we have done? And it
to me, the perception is that we just started making
these episodes.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I still can't believe that what I was doing the
daily Strange News, I can't believe how many like that
was years ago now, right.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Ben did start this, well, this whole set of segments
as as it's open show.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I saw something that compiled the number of total stuff
they don't want you to know episodes or segments that
we have. And it's crazy because folks in full transparency.
I think one time we tried to count them and
we could. I don't remember if we could figure it out.
Did we ever nail down to write the correct thing?
I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I don't know. The number is I think less impressive
to me. I mean it it's obviously an artifact of
this phenomenon that we're describing. But it's like every time
I see it's it's the ten year anniversary of X
record that was like a big deal to me or whatever,
and I'm like, no, no, that's the new one, that's
(31:56):
the new Arcade Fire record. You know, like, oh my god,
to think too about things like nineteen ninety is as
far away from now as like nineteen twenty was from nineteen,
you know, sixty or whatever. I mean, I'm bad at math,
but you see what I'm saying. It's all about where
you stand and your perception of time, and it does
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change as you get older, but not always for the worse.
I would argue, I don't know, necessarily feel like my
life is slipping away. I feel like in a lot
of ways I'm able to enjoy it a little more
and really, you know, kind of lean in and sort
of make a meal of it. I don't know why
I don't always feel like it's a negative thing. It
just is a phenomenon that I find very.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Remarkable, and I also, in particular love the percentage observation there.
I think that is quite well put and quite astute.
We're a big fan of yours over on this show.
Also want to point out that I was reading this
fascinating study on the nature of regret as people age,
right when you when you get counted as elderly in
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a different population or culture, and people don't regret things
as often as we might assume, like when you're a
younger person and you think, oh, this is the worst,
this is the worst thing. You know, I got an
F on a test, or I didn't get the you know,
I didn't get my jury duty audition or whatever. And
(33:25):
I think it's really important to remember that these things
that can seem very big in the moment, often people
look back they don't feel that they were led wrong,
or they don't feel that it was a mistake. So,
without at the risk of sounding soaboxy and or trite,
it's very important to remember that because you have a
problem with one tree, it doesn't mean the entire forest
(33:47):
is bad. And sometimes the only way out of a
situation is through that situation. So we've got your back.
Don't break laws. We're required to say, don't break laws,
but I think it's just important to hear that sometimes
that even when things seem that their most dire and
their most dark, there's always something worth sticking around for.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's right, got a bad tree, Chop that down. Ah,
I'm just choking out on it. Don't do it. Don't
hurt the trees. We need the trees, all right. Well,
thanks so much, and hey, if you've got something to say,
you want to call us, we'll tell you how to
do that at the end of this episode. Thanks so
much to everybody.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Else. A frame.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
We got one for you in the docket for this episode,
but we're going to get to it at a different time.
I'll just quickly mention it here. He came to us
with some real world experience about why certain insurance companies
are moving out of certain areas, so I think maybe
we can use that for a further exploration on that subject.
But it was not what you would think. He lives
(34:50):
in an area where wildfires have traditionally been the problem.
It's not the wildfires that are making it untenable for
or at least the perception of being unt tenable to
have insurance in certain areas for these insurance companies. It's
some compounded. Other problem that's added on to what they
usually already are paying, you know, paying out for wildfires
(35:11):
in an area that's susceptible to those is when there's
now flooding in that area too, and they're like, now
we got to get out of here. Or in his case,
I think it was hailstorms or something. It was something crazy.
What All right, that's different. Now we'll be right back
with more messages from you.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
And we have returned with a couple of things that
was squirreling away from a conversation with a good friend
of the show, Rebel on Instagram. I almost didn't want
to bring these up. Some of these are not news,
so it might hold them for a different show that
we do. But Rebel wrote to us recently with something
(35:55):
that absolutely blew my mind. Nazi drugs or sweeping Europe
Nazi drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's get into it
before before you get to our speed. Even weirder MDMA,
which you don't usually associate with the Militant for Right
(36:16):
of Neo Nazis, but this has been happening for a
number of years. Apparently at the end of twenty twenty three,
we'll go to Vice for this excellent article by Simon Doherty.
The end of twenty twenty three, police in the Netherlands
pulled over a guy in a car who ignored a
stop sign. He was not an autonomous driver. He was driving,
and the cops quickly noticed three things. One his license
(36:40):
is not valid, no good. Two he's clearly high on something.
And three in the passenger seat, in the shotgun seat
right next to him is this huge bag, like a
trash bag of ecstasy pills that are all stamped with
Nazi branding, with Nazi insignia. It's the eagle symbol from
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the actual facts Nazis, as our Palor and vocal Bam
would say.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Those were really popular nineties rave culture. Man. You had
the Mitsubishies, the Pokemon and the Nazi Eagles. Those were
the real banger what they call them rolls.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Right right, and so this the symbol. You can find
this article easily. The symbol was, as we know, developed
by the Nazi Party in the twenties, sometimes called the
Imperial Eagle. They also found in addition to these Nazi tablets,
the cops found half a kilogram of weed or cannabis
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and one hundred grams of cocaine. I don't know enough
about cocaine to know if one hundred grams is a lot,
but it sounds like a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Is it a lot?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's a lot?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
A lot. It's like, what's a kilo? A kilo is
I'm bad at weights and measures in addition to math
they mentioned earlier, But a kilo tends to be the
standard brick of you know what, you would be a
unit of the largest quantity you have, like a giant,
you know, quantity of kilos in a smuggling operation, a
(38:08):
plane or what have you. But a kilo would be
the smallest units of that.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
If you're moving weight, right, Yeah, akilo is two point
two pounds, So if this is half a kilo, that'd
be like a little over a pound. Still, that's a
lot of that's a lot of weak, you know, for
your afternoon drive. It seems like he was probably going
somewhere instead of just taking a fun road trip to
get out in the open road. It's strange because furthermore
(38:35):
we found here and revel thank you again for hippiness
to this. This was not an isolated incident. It appears
that there are there is a trend of illegal drugs
going out through Europe stamped with Nazi insignia, and just
to me, it's so confusing because you know, I'm I'm okay,
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I'm kind of square though in full, in full honesty,
I don't know what the effects of ecstasy are like
experientially or MDMA, but I always pictured it as sort
of a more lovey dovey thing.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Well, that's funny you should say that, Ben. Just this
immediately made me think of a song by a kind
of jam band supergroup called oyster Head, which was Les
Claypool from Primus on the bass, Trey Anastasio from Fish
on the guitar, and Stuart Copeland from the Police on
the drums. And I think they maybe had two albums,
(39:29):
but on their first album they have a song called
Armies on Ecstasy, and the lyric is the Army's on Ecstasy.
So they say, I read all about it in USA
today they stepped up urine testing to make it go
away because it's hard to kill the enemy on old MDMA. Because, yes,
to your point, Ben, it does give you the love vibes.
It's a real love fest. That's the whole point of MDMA.
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It's not conducive to berserker type behavior.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, sorry, Burger, but this is yeah, okay, So I'm
glad to know that perception of from the outside looking
in is correct. The folks advice stumble on what may
well be a conspiracy regarding this the idea. We know
that there's kind of a what the boffins we'll call
a far right surge in Europe like the political theater there.
(40:19):
We also know that France got really close to having
a fascist government, just like.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Last the other day.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, so excuse the voice.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
There by the way, apparently when she lost, which the
internet is making hay with, you know, which I'm fully behind.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
But you know it's it's a big deal to everybody
who runs for any kind of political office, to be fair.
But here's the possible conspiracy. What if this far right
surge is being sort of buoyed up by being associated
with fun drugs? What if this is like an underground
pr propaganda campaign for lack of a better word. Do
(40:59):
we think that's possible. I'm honestly asking because I think
it could be a brilliant move for politicians in the US.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I don't think I quite follow to what end exactly
like propaganda in whose favor.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
To get people to support far right or Nazi like
ideology by being associated.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
With something good vibes. Yeah, okay, I follow you. I'm
picking up what you're putting down. Yeah, in the parlance
of you.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Know, the hippies popping beans and crosses, that's what we
do here.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Clarence Thomas can't be all bad. Look at how much
weed he gave me earlier.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
But it was total dirt weed though, had stems in
it and seeds and everything.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
And he just got it from some guy as a gift.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, next time, we're just texting alido.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
But the bales of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
The bales of it. So it appears that this trend
has extended to the supply of cocaine as well. In
twenty twenty three, some folks that apport in northern Peru
caught some smugglers and these guys have fifty eight kilograms
of cocaine destined for Belgium. And to your point about transportational,
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each individual kilo was wrapped in Nazi regalia, which is
not the most subtle way to sneak stuff through international borders.
Please don't look at my Nazi ricks.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yes without the insignia stamped into the powder. That doesn't
seem very smart or very likely. But again, at the
time though, they sort of had cart blots to do
whatever they wanted, and maybe they were just like really
just didn't give it f you know.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Yeah, maybe there's some internal logic, like the.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Nazis would have loved cocaine. I mean, I'm just saying
like that. We know about them taking amphetamines. You don't
really hear much about cocaine per se, but amphetamines was
just the order of the day. I mean, everyone was
taking that stuff, you know, the pilots. Hitler apparently it.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Was like one of his main things. It was not
his main thing, but it was one of his things.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
But we also had another main thing.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah, he had another main thing. There's We also know
that authorities are still trying to suss out this international
conspiracy because they're not sure whether this kind of branding
was ordered by neo Nazi gangs who are selling drugs,
or whether it's unaffiliated drug gangs that have Neo Nazis
(43:31):
as their prime demographica customer. They really don't know, but
we do know this seems to be a continuing trend.
So I want to thank vice again, think you rebel
because we didn't see a lot of news about this
or I don't know, had you guys heard about this beforehand?
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Not once.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
I'm glad that we haven't, because you know, I think
it speaks to our character that we're not plugged into
the world a neo Nazi cocaine, you know what I mean, Chestnut,
They may this is interesting, Like I would love to
hear people's thoughts on this conspiracy diheartradio dot com, just
(44:11):
because it gives us. I think it's a door into
something else, into a larger trend, you know. And we
know that a lot of groups have not considered themselves
drug cartels per se, but they get involved in the
drug business because it is such a reliable form of income, right, Like,
(44:32):
aren't like biker gangs, Are they still big with drugs
here in the US?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
I think so if what is it? Sons of anarchy
has anything to say, Oh that's right, yes.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yes, So we we do want to hear from you
in this regard, folks, because it sounds like there's something
bigger at play. I want to dig into this and
it's not. Yeah, I think this one got some headlines
just because it seems counterintuitive for Nazis to be super
into you know, ecstasy or as you said, Noel, those
(45:04):
kind of lovey dove fhiel good drugs. But it also,
I don't know, I think it could touch other ideologies.
I'm interested in learning the mechanism. Also shout out to
you Rebel one last time before he closed, for hipping
me to that story about scientists dosing octopuses with him.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Dma, oh that's a good idea. That's just fafo.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Before we get out of this, I just really quickly
been you probed something in my mind with the motorcycle gangs.
Did you guys remember seeing that story a couple of
weeks back about the Baker's Field Hell's Angels how the
entirety of the motorcycle club in Bakersfield got arrested, but
not for selling drugs. It was for assaults, kidnapping, robbery,
(45:50):
and a bunch of other things. But every single member
I got picked up.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Do we know how many people were talking?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
It's like, oh gosh, it wasn't even that many. I
think it was small. It was just like seven human beings.
But it was the entire Bakersfield Hell's Army crew that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
They might have got recoded.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
That's nuts. Oh that makes sense. Yeah, that's how you
scoop up a bunch of them, right, isn't that sort
of the deal? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
It also reminds me. I didn't talk about this on air,
but we were talking about road trips stay in my
head pretty often. It's a good pursuit. I don't know
about you guys, but I like to take the back
roads whenever possible. That's where you get to see more
of the real world. And I remember quite recently I
had to go to the coast of the Atlantic Ocean,
(46:39):
and I took back roads on the return leg, and
I ran into so many sketchy looking motorcycle clubs, And
we got a lot of bikers in the audience tonight.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
We're glad you're here.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
We know that that very small amount of biker gangs
are actually what we would consider criminal organizations, called one
what have you. But I would love to hear from
someone on the inside who's had experience with this, like
former outlaw bikers, former Hell's Angels, and so on. Do
you think do you think we have a good chance
(47:13):
of getting someone there or should we just stick with
the doped up octopus and view one of those.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Doped up octopus. It reminds me back at the beginning
of the episode where you're talking about the anthropomorphic items
and you got the little creepy hook guy, you know,
in the bathroom trying to get into fisticuffs with you.
I'm doing this thing with my fists right now, like
the fighting Irish. It looks good.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
I think we need to get in with the Freemason's RC.
All right, they're the Masonic Riding Club. We need we
need to get into those guys.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Creative writing, creative Masonic writing.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
They're a secret from the Shriners, right, Oh, I think.
So they have the little cars.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
What is wanted?
Speaker 4 (47:51):
One of those sick little cars?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
So I have to say I had a dream the
other night that all three of us were in an
improv show to get there, and I woke up and
just immediately like, we got to take improv class together.
I know you've mentioned that a million times, Ben, but
I'm just doubling down on that. I think it would
be super fun because in my dream we were really
good at it, and you know, it's kind of what
we do here to a agree. So we had to
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we had to try that sometime.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yeah, I think everybody should have a little fun with improv. Yeah,
it's just it's just good to do no matter what
your job is. It'll help you be a better communicator
and more importantly, a better listener, which is what I
really had to work on.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
All of us need to work on that for sure.
But I'm going to keep going and talking instead of
listening and telling you guys that the Iron Knights Masonic
Writers are in Grovetown, Georgia. We need to go shut
them out.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
That's right near my neck where I grew up. And
again that's right like in my neck of the woods.
I know Grovetown very well. I didn't know anything about
that being the case, though, I have to say, yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Well, the thing that just show up and act like
we belong there there, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Interview mode, yes, and them into exactly.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
There's something else we would need to look for, look
out for if we're on the road to Grovetown and
this is our last thing tonight inste have a letter
from home. Our longtime friend of the show, Brock aka
the brock Nest Monster, has written and hipped us to
something frightening it's been kind of an on the road
week for us, and in that we're talking about a
(49:24):
lot of automotive conspiracies. I did not know this until
Brock told us. But FedEx has their own police force
and they've had it for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Wait for like investigating, or for guarding and protecting.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
Guarding, protecting. Yeah, there's a that kind of stuff. There's
an excellent Forbes article by Thomas Brewster that came out
that hipped us to this. Forbes recently learned that FedEx
is using some AI tools by a company called Flock
Safety four billion dollars startup for car survey, and it's
(50:01):
monitoring its cargo and distro facilities across the US. It's
also providing the information that gets to law enforcement, which
is not inherently unusual. You know a lot of companies,
a lot of private companies do that even without being
forced to do so. They volunteer it. But it appears
that local police departments are also giving their own surveillance
(50:24):
and Flock feeds back to FedEx. It's a two way street.
They're building a public private surveillance apparatus.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Oh Man, sound very good.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Match it up with all the nest cams or whatever.
You know, all the.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Did we talk about did we talk about those nest
cams that like will shoot paintballs at people? The startup company. Yeah,
it was like, I mean, yeah, maybe I mentioned it
just like in conversation or not on the show, But
there was like a sum like gofund me for a
home ring cam type situation that will threaten you with
like a automated voice saying intruder, identify yourself or whatever,
(51:04):
and if not, then it will help you with paintballs. Wow.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, I mean it's really without sounding hyperbolic, it's a
brave new world.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
We're not ready.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Civilization's not ready for the technology that's rolling out at scale.
Folks like the Electronic Frontier Foundation in the case of
FedEx and Flock network, they are very concerned that this
could go wrong quickly because, simply put, private entities are
not subject to the same transparency laws that police are
(51:35):
in theory subject to, So this could extend a silent,
unseen mass surveillance network and it might be legal for
the public to be left in the dark about it.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Oh boy, Flock apparently specializes in license plate reading too,
so just quick fix everybody make sure your license plate
isn't facing the street.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Yeah, especially if you live in a state like where
you don't have to have a license plate on both
ends of the car. We could also see a world
in where this information is leveraged and collated with information
that leads to targeted pricing. Shout out to Geist, you
know what I mean? What if they have they I
(52:18):
don't want to sound too paranoid, but what if these
different types of apparatus can be combined into an uber
pad opticon right, an uber state that always has its
eyes on you, never blinks, and can never be identified
or held to account. That's the question. Let us know
(52:38):
if that's crazy talk, if that's a whole bunch of
you know, sound and fury signify nothing, or if there's
some sand to it. We want to hear from you.
Thanks to Burker no One in particular, the side pocket
Kid SPK to those in the know, Thanks to Rebel,
and shout out to the people we haven't gotten back
to yet. Very excited for radical moderate as you said
(53:00):
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If you're hearing this, The Evening publishes Congratulations, folks. We've
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are joined with our favorite part of the show, you
and your fellow listeners. We're gonna hear about Nazi drugs.
It's a real thing. Still FedEx in the We've got
a great UAP story, a little bit more insurance. We've
been going through an insurance rabbit hole, and some responses
to our ideas about how best to create micro generation.
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Before we do any of that, we were talking off
here about about something that really really stood out to
me and I think a lot of us in the
crowdsnight are going to identify it. With this I don't
know about you, guys, but I anthropomorphize so many inanimate objects.
I am in like deep, it's not quite parasocial, but
(01:34):
I'm in deep sustained relationships with weird things like the
good fork and so like.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The one that doesn't have the time, that somewhat bet
where it's giving you the finger. You guys, have you
ever seen those little hooks they use in bathrooms where
you can hang up like your jacket or whatever. If
you look at them, they kind of look like an
octopus that's trying to box with you. That's sort of
squinting an eye at you. You know, Yeah, it's true.
Dude's whole Instagram accounts things that look like basins. There's
(02:03):
also one called like Sinister toilets. I really think it
is a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So maybe for this as we get into tonight's program, uh,
just think along, look around your environment while you're while
you're hanging out with us this evening, folks, and tell
us right to us conspiracy diheartradio dot com, and tell
us your favorite inanimate object that you have ascribed a
(02:30):
personality too.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We want to learn all about.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It, especially if there's one that you anthropomorphize and don't
care for you know what.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I means, like a sinister toilet perhaps, Yeah, all right,
it's time to jump into listener mail. This one comes
to us, uh via the side pocket kid, which I love.
I don't exactly know what that means, but I think
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it's cool. I mean, I guess it's sort of like
a Western Yeah, oh, that's right, the side pocket. Yeah.
For some reason, I'm thinking of like our all pockets
on the side, But no, certainly some are on the
back and some are on the front. But traditional pants pockets,
you know, do reside on the side. But this is
most definitely a pool reference, a Billiard's reference.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Or pants kind of just themselves a pocket for your left.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Two open ends. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, everything is a
pocket if you really think about it. The ever anthromomorphized
pockets is that the good pocket?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I know what the good pocket is?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah you do. Yeah, Well, it's always like, well it
depends side or what hands you write with.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I think every living entity or every entity in general,
has its own like personal mythology of these little beliefs,
like the idea that maybe the left hand is for
taking energy the right hand is for giving it.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Stuff like that. Side. Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Oh man, dude, have you ever been in a majority
Muslim country and eaten with your left hand? Not a
good look. People won't get mad at you, but they
will assume that you are dirty fair enough.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I do like it when things are in the pocket,
as they say, which this email most definitely is. Ben
You tease it beautifully. Hey, guys, just listen to your
most recent strange news episode and I really enjoyed the
conversation about converting the heat from the ai GPUs into
usable power. I am an electrical technologist who works for
a private utility company, and thinking of different methods to
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harness power into already built infrastructure is something that I
love to do. Personally, I would love to see micro
generation everywhere, aside from the usual solar panels and wind
turbines on roofs. One pilot project caught my eye was
run in Portland, Oregon. They tested installing micro water turbines, turbines,
turbines whatever, I think, they're interchangeable roughly into the existing
(05:00):
water main system. I found the article from good Net
to be a decent read. Guys. I linked to that
in the dock if you want to take a quick
look it is in fact quite a good read coming
to us from good Net Gateway to Doing Good, written
by Bonnie Reva Rass, the deputy editor there at good Neet.
(05:20):
Going on with the email, thinking about all that Rabbit
hold me into thinking about the Venus Project, particularly about
city design and how we should be developing cities and
buildings and incorporate natural geographic features into the design process.
I think the Venus Project would make an excellent episode,
and I would love to hear you guys do a
deep dive and hear your thoughts on it. Anyways, I
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love the show and all the work you guys put
into it kept me company on mini a car ride.
Feel free to use this on air. If you guys
find any value in it, you can call me side
pocket kid, cheers and say weird. I love everything about this.
This is one of those things where week I think, Matt,
it was you where it was just like, this has
to happen. This has to be a thing someone's thinking about.
This is a perfect example of parallel thinking or just
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seeing a need where it just doesn't make sense for
this kind of technology not to exist. Unfortunately, as we know,
with many companies, their primary focus isn't necessarily helping the environment.
It is more making money for their shareholders and you know,
making their bottom line, and of course than some above
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their bottom line preferably. But this pilot program, we'll get
to the Venus project in a bit. That might be
bigger discussion for another day. But this program in Portland,
Oregon is essentially just that. There is a field known
as micro generation where you can essentially funnel pre existing infrastructure,
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tap pre existing infrastructure into other forms of electrical generation.
And we know hydroelectric power is already created by the
movement of water. And in the city of Portland they
installed a hydropower system that captures energy as water flows
through its main pipelines and.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Very pollish and hydropower so cool.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Because we know hydropower already exists. I mean, we all
went to the Hoover Dam together and that was a
thing to behold. And that's like the very definition of
industrious thinking behind hydroelectric power. Harnessing the you know, the
powers of nature or whatever. Why not build smaller generation
sources like this into the water pipes of a city,
(07:33):
so every time someone turns on the tap and causes
the water to flow or change pressure or what have you.
A little bit of electricity is generated and it either
goes back into the grid or it's captured or stored
or whatever. So let's see unlixular power. The article says,
or wind. The system can generate electricity in any weather, anytime,
since water is always flowing through them and there's absolutely
(07:54):
no impact on water delivery or equality. Here comes a
quote from Greg Semer or similar rept CEO of Lucid Energy,
the Portland based startup that built the system, and he's
speaking to fast companies saying, it's pretty rare to find
a new source of energy where there's no environmental impact.
But this is inside a pipe, so no fish or
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endangered species are impacted. That's what's exciting. Lucid Energy designed
and installed four of these. Let's see forty two. I'm
not sure what this jet with this metric is here.
It's it's a it's a way of measuring kilowatt. Yes, okay,
(08:34):
got it, thank you. Forty two inch fifty kilt power
generating turbine pipes into one of the city's main water lines.
The power that it generates is then sent right into
the electrical grid, so it's it doesn't even need to
be sorted, just adds capacity to the grid. And as
we know with all of this AI stuff, the issue
there becomes one of capacity where if we don't plan
(08:57):
for this stuff, and as we know, you know, with
the heat this generated in a lot of places, the
climate rather brownouts, rolling power outages can be a thing.
I believe Texas was a real offender in that department
where there were just like tons of these rolling power
outages due to heat there because they didn't do any
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kind of future proofing to this infrastructure. So, you know,
we know Portland is a pretty liberal and technologically forward
thinking part of the country, so it kind of makes
sense that a pilot program like this would be there.
It says here too, since water utilities use a huge
amount of electricity, this type of system can make it
cheaper to provide water for municipalities that can use the
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power themselves or sell it as a source of revenue.
I do think this is really really interesting. I don't
know how exactly we would be able to where folks
would be able to accomplish this with harnessing the GPUs,
But I don't see how Matt's idea of just adding
an additional small turbine to these potentially hundreds of thousands
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of processors that are generating heat and causing them to spin,
couldn't generate some meaningful amount of energy. I don't know,
Maybe maybe we go back to that, because it does
seem like the question then becomes one of scale and
is it worth doing if it's not done on a
large enough scale. But this seemed to be like one municipality,
(10:26):
one city, and it does seem to be of value.
So I don't know. I do think that there's some
something to think about here.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Let's just make the GPU's waterproof, put them in the
water mains. We'll just ligne our water mains with GPUs.
That are all I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Oh sorry, no, no, like I Like I said earlier,
I think the hydro power is the way to go,
you know, if the geography works out similar to geothermal
power in Iceland. There's some great fascinating thing. First off side,
pocket kid S, if I could be familiar with you,
(11:02):
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I've been on a.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Little rabbit hole about exactly what an electrical technologist does,
and I find it amazing and important, so you must also,
I'm sure be well aware of the tidal power experiments
that we mentioned briefly. I think out in Europe there
is tremendous opportunity here. The ideas are to the point
(11:27):
and no made earlier side pocket kit. The idea of
microgeneration and the threshold of scale is endlessly fascinating to
me because it's decentralizing in a way. It's decentralizing some
of the power grid. Like if we get a toolkit
of microgenerators from all sorts of different energy sources, then
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we're also we're addressing some of the problems of centralized
power sources, and we're addressing the all your chickens and
when all your eggs one kind of basket situation, because
then if for some reason one kind of power source
is no longer as feasible or as viable, then we
automatically have some backups baked in. It is an awesome idea.
(12:14):
It'd be really cool to roll it out and SPK
if you can write to us again and let us
know after you hear this, we'll follow up as well.
Why do you think this has not been rolled out
at a larger scale to Knowle's original question here, because
it really could be a game changer, and I think
we're all on the same page with that.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, when I google like harnessing GPU for electric energy generation,
the only articles I get are talking about I guess,
streamlining the way GPUs consume power. So it does not
seem that this is something that is being discussed. And
it may And you know, if this individual who wrote
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to a side pocket kid, you know, has a background
and stuff, he didn't immediately say we were full of crap,
I do think there might be something to that, you know,
and the fact that no one's talking about this it
may just be that question of scale, but we know that. Well,
here's the thing. I guess what we're talking about is
the fans that are in play here are being powered
by electricity and designed to cool the GPUs, but we
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do know they also get really hot, and I'm wondering
if there's a way to funnel that heat into some
other form of energy, and if there's enough of them
happening at the same time, then it maybe could be meaningful.
Or maybe it's just not nearly enough. It's a drop
in the bucket and we're totally barking up the wrong tree.
But it does seem like in the face of this
increased demand that there ought to be some quid pro
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quo way of kind of giving back to the grid,
you know, balancing the scales a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, it's really tough because you got to first have
the idea somehow, then know how to actually implement a prototype,
then convince a bunch of investors somewhere either on a
city level, state level, a level, a company level. Then
you gotta pay a lot of money to make it
happen for the first time, and then spread those costs
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out over you know, years and years and years. So
when you're thinking when we're talking about the water main
hydro electric generation, you're talking about ben with this article
we were looking at, I imagine the costs of actually
going in and retrofitting pipes or adding in new pipes
so that would have this system in them.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Especially with aging pipes and infrastructures like we have here
in Atlanta or in other parts of the country like
in Michigan. Sorry, they're not, no, no, it is a conundrum.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
You know, it would be tremendously expensive. You'd need an
infrastructure bill or something, you know, where there's a bunch
of money injected into a system just shout out, I
guess to that. But this type of thing we're talking
about where you use an existing energy source that is
just out there, that is happening all the time, reliably,
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and maybe even power is used to generate that initial
energy source, right, So I'm thinking about in that same
place goodnet dot org. There's an article from twenty eighteen
about a young inventor who had the idea of setting
up these plastic sheets along London's rail lines, which would
then flutter in the wind as a train went by,
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which would generate electricity through the movement of those sheets. Like,
how brilliant is that? And why wouldn't Why aren't we
doing stuff like that all over the place? Where cars
go by on a highway and there's an overpass, you
set something up down there that just generates electricity, even
if it's small, if you do it enough times, that
kind of thing adds up.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Or material science with pavement we studied this, yeah, and
car stuff as well, Like going back to the generation
of power from tides, it's already there, it's just there,
weighs the channel. I would add one important piece of
the puzzle that we haven't hit yet. Part of the
reason and side pocket kid tell me, tell me how
how real this is or how overblown it is, but
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it seems to be. One of the big stumbling blocks
is the is the fact that there are embedded stakeholders
who do quite well with the imperfect status quo as
it is at this point. So they're the ones you
have to not antagonize, but you have to pitch them,
and you have to convince them that this is a
(16:24):
long term, better aka more profitable concept. And I don't
think it's a difficult argument to make. I just personally
don't know enough about the ins and outs of the
policy horse trading that has to occur to get you know,
your Georgia powers or what have you, is your cons
on board with something that, in their opinion, might not
(16:47):
seem proven at scale. You kind of have to be
like the first guy who convinced someone to let them
build a skyscraper, you know what I mean. They want
to know it's not going to collapse.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I just want to say that I just found you know,
it's read it to take it the grain of salt.
I don't know this person's credentials, but I'm seeing a
few folks chiming in and it doesn't seem this is
the most out there perspective on the planet. But this
person rift Blade MC on this Reddit thread saying GPUs
are almost as efficient as normal electrical heaters. Energy cannot
(17:17):
be created or destroyed, only converted. The GPU consumes electricity,
it converts it into a few types of power. It
converts a small portion into sound coil wine, which is
a thing. It's a phenomenon where you can actually have
an electronic component that generates sounds. It's actually not supposed
to happen, but it can happen. It converts a small
portion into kinetic energy the fans on the GPU cooler,
(17:37):
but almost all of it is converted into heat. GPUs
are probably around one percent less efficient at converting electricity
into heat than a normal electric heater. There are a
few other types of heaters. Some heaters are gas heaters,
which are less However, I know that usually cheap gas
is cheaper than electric for the same amount of heating,
so gas is more cost effective than GPUs. Then there
are also heat pumps, which this came up in our
previous conversation, which instead of generating heat from energy, they
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work by extracting heat from the air outside and putting
that heat into the air in your room. This allows
heat pumps to be the most energy efficient and cost effective.
I think there's something to it, guys, I really do.
Who do we talk to get them on the cakes?
I mean, this is getting me kind of excited because
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it really does seem like it's a bit of an
untapped thing, and people have been having these conversations, so
I don't know. I say thank you kindly to UH
to a side pocket kid for giving us this way
in and I want to I want to hear more
about this. Could you even write back to us or
maybe leave us a voicemail Side Pocket at A one
A through three s td W y t K. Let
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us know if we're completely barking up the wrong UH
microchip when it comes to this idea of the heat
that's generated by these and could they be harnessed in
a way that is positive. Let us know. We're gonna
take quick break here we're from our sponsor and come
back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
And we've returned Jeff Arnold, we know you're still out there,
Marshall brain Ben I was thinking about conversations way back
nol I don't think you were here yet. Way back
with Marshall Brain about car innovations, specifically in road innovation
with like vehicles that would be electric and they'd be
powered as they drive, kind of like the way some
(19:26):
of the new technology with phones where you can just
place a phone, you know, on a surface that will
allow it to charge. Yeah, exactly, the exactly with the
I don't know whatever works science. That stuff gets me
so excited.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
He's electric materials what they're called.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I was super into it a long time ago. So SPK, Yeah,
please let us know why it's not happening at a
larger scale.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think we all got excited about it back in
the day when it was like a thing and it
was like a new You're like, whoa, that's gonna be amazing. Well, hey,
you know what else people were into back in the day,
sitting out by the pool back in twenty fifteen, just
like Burker Berserker was. So we're gonna hear a message
right now about.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
That irma ger Berker Berserker.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
He Matt ben Nol and super Producers. My name is
Burker the Berserker, and I have a UFO or a
UAP black triangle sighting to get off my chest. Back
in twenty fifteen, when I was around seventeen or eighteen,
I was at my neighborhood pool in Oceanside, California. And
by the way, the name of the neighborhood is just
a capri if you want to look it up on
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Google Maps. And I was laying down after a mile
swim with my legs in the hot sub and staring
at the sky. Now this is important. I was laying
down with my head pointing south southeast and my legs
are pointing north northeast. And then when I was laying there,
you know, it was probably nine or ten at night,
I saw something like a giant black check mark with
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seven red almost infrared lights underneath it. You know, it
may have been eight because there was that one. There
was one light in the very point as well, so
there were three red infrared lights glowing on the left
side and there were four on the right side, and
you know, one in the middle. And it was just
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so creepy. It made no noise at all. It was
around twenty or thirty feet in length, and it moved
incredibly slowly, like incredibly slowly. It must have been five
or ten miles an hour, and it was roughly forty
to fifty feet above me, and it passed directly overhead.
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And you know, I wasn't I wasn't wearing anything but
my boxer shorts or my my Chums trunks at the time.
So and it went directly northwest to southeast, directly over me,
and I thought that I was being scanned. It looked
like I was scanned. At first, I thought it was
(22:02):
a drone. But at the height it was, I would
have definitely heard the worrying and it made no noise.
It was absolutely silent. I really couldn't believe my eyes.
I didn't tell anybody about it that night, but the
next day I looked it up and I read on
black Triangles and it was so eerie but so so cool. Anyways,
(22:24):
i'd like to hear what you have to say about it.
By the way, I've always enjoyed your show. I'm a
longtime listener, and you've always given me virtual comfort when
I was driving home alone through the desert for work.
And keep up the great contents, keep spreading the truth.
I appreciate you all. This is Burger the Berserker Fining off.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Thanks so much, dude. Wow, what a cool story.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yes, thank you, Burger. I really appreciate that. I find
the comment about the asymmetry or perceived asymmetry as the
vehicle quite intriguing.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Right, was one led just out? Maybe? No the way
Burger Berserker described this craft as a check mark, which
is really interesting, and it does make you wonder if
it's just perception because there was maybe one LED that
was not working or one light who knows what the
light source was or was it actually you know, differently
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shaped like that, because that really does change my thoughts
on what this thing could have potentially been.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Do you have a running guess, yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was thinking just because of where that part is.
Did you guys look up ocean side California. Ocean side
California is well, I mean it's right on the coast,
so it's not like interior California it is I don't know,
let's say it's in between San Diego and Los Angeles,
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closer to San Diego, much closer actually.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Right down the way from Carlsbad, right.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yes, exactly exactly. And you know this this Pacific coast
over here, there's a lot of activity from the US military,
from the Navy, but most of it, will you guys
tell me, I'm aware of most of that activity happening
closer up to San Francisco, and then closer maybe down
(24:13):
towards San Diego, but I don't know, maybe something passing
by or through there. It's interesting how specific Berserker is
about the direction right northeast, legs pointing northeast, head pointing
south southeast, and then the way this thing traveled from
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northwest to southeast. Because if we're talking from this location northwest,
that's along the coast, pretty much like heading up the
United States, and then heading southeast, that's heading down towards Mexico.
I don't know, do you guys have any thoughts on that.
I just really liked the story.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
One of the first things to do here, or what
I would do if writing an episode on this, would
be obviously, and Matt you've probably already done this. You
have as well. I imagine Burger look up the closest
Air Force baces or closest compounds for experimental craft. That's one,
(25:15):
you know, you build out the references. The weird thing
is increasingly it was a little more skeptical in this
back in earlier evenings. But the weird thing is, there
are provably strange things in the sky. There are real
UAP or what we would call UFOs. This doesn't mean
they're necessarily aliens, doesn't mean they're necessarily all top secret,
(25:35):
you know, skunk works projects, but there's definitely stuff out there.
One thing that we are always careful to do, and
it's a core tenant of our mission is not to
dismiss a siding out of hands, because that's incredibly unhelpful. Matt,
did you get a chance to speak with Burker directly
for any guesses on his part?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
No, I did not, But well along those lines, my
guesses were Camp Pendleton, which is a pretty big name,
something we've heard before on the show. Even if you're not,
you know, close to military or have been in the
military before, Camp Pendleton is a big deal. It is
just I guess it would be northwest of this area,
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actually just northwest of this specific Vista Caapri neighborhood in Oceanside, California,
which you know, there's a Marine Air Support squadron hanging
out right over there, the old you know airport that's
for military use only. There's also a raising canes by
the way, on that on Camp Pendleton, just like.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I didn't realize that place was so like Bloodard.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, there's a large Department of Homeland Security building that
is right on the coast basically if you headed straight
to the co from the house where Berserker was. I
don't know the shape, you guys, I want to know
more about that shape? Call in have you? Has anybody
heard of a check mark shaped craft like that? Because
it makes me think about some of the symbolism that
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companies use.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
You know, we talk.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
About the well we have talked about before on the show,
the shape of the NASA on their logo. There's that
little wisp kind of thing that's on there, and what
that actually represented. What this the Nike thing actually may
have been a couple other things like that about shapes
of craft and shapes of you know or potential craft. Right,
(27:37):
there's cool stuff out there. What's the check.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Mark right to us? Especially if you were piloting the
check mark?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Oh yeah, oh man from the CLB thirteenth Armory. I
don't know why they would be flying something like that though,
classic CLB. All right, so hey, let's jump to another
quick message here. This time from no One in particular. Guys,
I didn't know this, and I've always put in our
voicemail system as no space one in particular. We got
(28:08):
an email from this person and it is no one
like NWN, no One, no One.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
In particular and Roan but no one.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Exactly exactly like Rowan but no One. And this person
that we have come to know and love, had a
quick comment on something we were talking about about the
speed of life when we were just kind of briefly
mentioning that, and all I think you brought that up.
Uh So here is no One's message.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
This is no One in particular and as usual, you
are welcome to use this. No One mentioned apparent fluctuation
in the passage of time between being young and being old,
and it's far more than a parent I'm sure you're
about to mention, but I'd like to give you my
little take on it, which is that when you're vibe,
(29:00):
year is twenty percent of your life, whereas now that
I'm fifty, it's only two percent and seems to fly by.
Just something I thought about one day. You guys have
a great showy man.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It makes me think of like the idea of dog years,
you know, the idea of like, what is the typical
span of a life and how does that compress and
contract to a being that inherently does not live as
long as a human being. And I think the answer
is simple. It's it's it's it's hugely important. Weeds as
humans are able to perceive it much more palpably than
(29:38):
obviously a dog or a cat, you know, or the
lizards live a really long time like alligators. But I
do think that matters, and like, how much of your
life have you lived, and as you live longer, that
percentage changes, doesn't it. That's I think that's I can't
believe I've never quite thought.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
About it like that before. It's well put. I think
that is just yabe. That's what I really appreci shot
about it, and it makes you think about things different.
I was thinking about my son's life and just you know,
he was talking about how the summers are feeling shorter,
right and he's only eight, Like, oh man.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Sorry, that's sad. Thing that is so poetically melancholy, you know,
the summer is the seeming.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well just basically commenting how it feels like it's going
by fast. But in the end. For his perception, it's
actually good because he's done a lot this summer. Right
back in the day, summers were a lot less filled
with going places and doing things and traveling. I think
it means hopefully that his life is more full than.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It was before.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
At least that's the way I often think about it
when I think about how quick stuff goes. Think about, guys,
do you ever get that feeling when you look at
our listener mail Strange News doc just about how many
episodes of this particular thing we have done? And it
to me, the perception is that we just started making
these episodes.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I still can't believe that what I was doing the
daily Strange News, I can't believe how many like that
was years ago now, right.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Ben did start this, well, this whole set of segments
as as it's open show.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I saw something that compiled the number of total stuff
they don't want you to know episodes or segments that
we have. And it's crazy because folks in full transparency.
I think one time we tried to count them and
we could. I don't remember if we could figure it out.
Did we ever nail down to write the correct thing?
I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I don't know. The number is I think less impressive
to me. I mean it it's obviously an artifact of
this phenomenon that we're describing. But it's like every time
I see it's it's the ten year anniversary of X
record that was like a big deal to me or whatever,
and I'm like, no, no, that's the new one, that's
(31:56):
the new Arcade Fire record. You know, like, oh my god,
to think too about things like nineteen ninety is as
far away from now as like nineteen twenty was from nineteen,
you know, sixty or whatever. I mean, I'm bad at math,
but you see what I'm saying. It's all about where
you stand and your perception of time, and it does
(32:17):
change as you get older, but not always for the worse.
I would argue, I don't know, necessarily feel like my
life is slipping away. I feel like in a lot
of ways I'm able to enjoy it a little more
and really, you know, kind of lean in and sort
of make a meal of it. I don't know why
I don't always feel like it's a negative thing. It
just is a phenomenon that I find very.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Remarkable, and I also, in particular love the percentage observation there.
I think that is quite well put and quite astute.
We're a big fan of yours over on this show.
Also want to point out that I was reading this
fascinating study on the nature of regret as people age,
right when you when you get counted as elderly in
(33:02):
a different population or culture, and people don't regret things
as often as we might assume, like when you're a
younger person and you think, oh, this is the worst,
this is the worst thing. You know, I got an
F on a test, or I didn't get the you know,
I didn't get my jury duty audition or whatever. And
(33:25):
I think it's really important to remember that these things
that can seem very big in the moment, often people
look back they don't feel that they were led wrong,
or they don't feel that it was a mistake. So,
without at the risk of sounding soaboxy and or trite,
it's very important to remember that because you have a
problem with one tree, it doesn't mean the entire forest
(33:47):
is bad. And sometimes the only way out of a
situation is through that situation. So we've got your back.
Don't break laws. We're required to say, don't break laws,
but I think it's just important to hear that sometimes
that even when things seem that their most dire and
their most dark, there's always something worth sticking around for.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's right, got a bad tree, Chop that down. Ah,
I'm just choking out on it. Don't do it. Don't
hurt the trees. We need the trees, all right. Well,
thanks so much, and hey, if you've got something to say,
you want to call us, we'll tell you how to
do that at the end of this episode. Thanks so
much to everybody.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Else. A frame.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
We got one for you in the docket for this episode,
but we're going to get to it at a different time.
I'll just quickly mention it here. He came to us
with some real world experience about why certain insurance companies
are moving out of certain areas, so I think maybe
we can use that for a further exploration on that subject.
But it was not what you would think. He lives
(34:50):
in an area where wildfires have traditionally been the problem.
It's not the wildfires that are making it untenable for
or at least the perception of being unt tenable to
have insurance in certain areas for these insurance companies. It's
some compounded. Other problem that's added on to what they
usually already are paying, you know, paying out for wildfires
(35:11):
in an area that's susceptible to those is when there's
now flooding in that area too, and they're like, now
we got to get out of here. Or in his case,
I think it was hailstorms or something. It was something crazy.
What All right, that's different. Now we'll be right back
with more messages from you.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
And we have returned with a couple of things that
was squirreling away from a conversation with a good friend
of the show, Rebel on Instagram. I almost didn't want
to bring these up. Some of these are not news,
so it might hold them for a different show that
we do. But Rebel wrote to us recently with something
(35:55):
that absolutely blew my mind. Nazi drugs or sweeping Europe
Nazi drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's get into it
before before you get to our speed. Even weirder MDMA,
which you don't usually associate with the Militant for Right
(36:16):
of Neo Nazis, but this has been happening for a
number of years. Apparently at the end of twenty twenty three,
we'll go to Vice for this excellent article by Simon Doherty.
The end of twenty twenty three, police in the Netherlands
pulled over a guy in a car who ignored a
stop sign. He was not an autonomous driver. He was driving,
and the cops quickly noticed three things. One his license
(36:40):
is not valid, no good. Two he's clearly high on something.
And three in the passenger seat, in the shotgun seat
right next to him is this huge bag, like a
trash bag of ecstasy pills that are all stamped with
Nazi branding, with Nazi insignia. It's the eagle symbol from
(37:00):
the actual facts Nazis, as our Palor and vocal Bam
would say.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Those were really popular nineties rave culture. Man. You had
the Mitsubishies, the Pokemon and the Nazi Eagles. Those were
the real banger what they call them rolls.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Right right, and so this the symbol. You can find
this article easily. The symbol was, as we know, developed
by the Nazi Party in the twenties, sometimes called the
Imperial Eagle. They also found in addition to these Nazi tablets,
the cops found half a kilogram of weed or cannabis
(37:37):
and one hundred grams of cocaine. I don't know enough
about cocaine to know if one hundred grams is a lot,
but it sounds like a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Is it a lot?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's a lot?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
A lot. It's like, what's a kilo? A kilo is
I'm bad at weights and measures in addition to math
they mentioned earlier, But a kilo tends to be the
standard brick of you know what, you would be a
unit of the largest quantity you have, like a giant,
you know, quantity of kilos in a smuggling operation, a
(38:08):
plane or what have you. But a kilo would be
the smallest units of that.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
If you're moving weight, right, Yeah, akilo is two point
two pounds, So if this is half a kilo, that'd
be like a little over a pound. Still, that's a
lot of that's a lot of weak, you know, for
your afternoon drive. It seems like he was probably going
somewhere instead of just taking a fun road trip to
get out in the open road. It's strange because furthermore
(38:35):
we found here and revel thank you again for hippiness
to this. This was not an isolated incident. It appears
that there are there is a trend of illegal drugs
going out through Europe stamped with Nazi insignia, and just
to me, it's so confusing because you know, I'm I'm okay,
(38:56):
I'm kind of square though in full, in full honesty,
I don't know what the effects of ecstasy are like
experientially or MDMA, but I always pictured it as sort
of a more lovey dovey thing.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Well, that's funny you should say that, Ben. Just this
immediately made me think of a song by a kind
of jam band supergroup called oyster Head, which was Les
Claypool from Primus on the bass, Trey Anastasio from Fish
on the guitar, and Stuart Copeland from the Police on
the drums. And I think they maybe had two albums,
(39:29):
but on their first album they have a song called
Armies on Ecstasy, and the lyric is the Army's on Ecstasy.
So they say, I read all about it in USA
today they stepped up urine testing to make it go
away because it's hard to kill the enemy on old MDMA. Because, yes,
to your point, Ben, it does give you the love vibes.
It's a real love fest. That's the whole point of MDMA.
(39:51):
It's not conducive to berserker type behavior.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, sorry, Burger, but this is yeah, okay, So I'm
glad to know that perception of from the outside looking
in is correct. The folks advice stumble on what may
well be a conspiracy regarding this the idea. We know
that there's kind of a what the boffins we'll call
a far right surge in Europe like the political theater there.
(40:19):
We also know that France got really close to having
a fascist government, just like.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Last the other day.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, so excuse the voice.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
There by the way, apparently when she lost, which the
internet is making hay with, you know, which I'm fully behind.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
But you know it's it's a big deal to everybody
who runs for any kind of political office, to be fair.
But here's the possible conspiracy. What if this far right
surge is being sort of buoyed up by being associated
with fun drugs? What if this is like an underground
pr propaganda campaign for lack of a better word. Do
(40:59):
we think that's possible. I'm honestly asking because I think
it could be a brilliant move for politicians in the US.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I don't think I quite follow to what end exactly
like propaganda in whose favor.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
To get people to support far right or Nazi like
ideology by being associated.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
With something good vibes. Yeah, okay, I follow you. I'm
picking up what you're putting down. Yeah, in the parlance
of you.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Know, the hippies popping beans and crosses, that's what we
do here.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Clarence Thomas can't be all bad. Look at how much
weed he gave me earlier.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
But it was total dirt weed though, had stems in
it and seeds and everything.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
And he just got it from some guy as a gift.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, next time, we're just texting alido.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
But the bales of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
The bales of it. So it appears that this trend
has extended to the supply of cocaine as well. In
twenty twenty three, some folks that apport in northern Peru
caught some smugglers and these guys have fifty eight kilograms
of cocaine destined for Belgium. And to your point about transportational,
(42:15):
each individual kilo was wrapped in Nazi regalia, which is
not the most subtle way to sneak stuff through international borders.
Please don't look at my Nazi ricks.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yes without the insignia stamped into the powder. That doesn't
seem very smart or very likely. But again, at the
time though, they sort of had cart blots to do
whatever they wanted, and maybe they were just like really
just didn't give it f you know.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Yeah, maybe there's some internal logic, like the.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Nazis would have loved cocaine. I mean, I'm just saying
like that. We know about them taking amphetamines. You don't
really hear much about cocaine per se, but amphetamines was
just the order of the day. I mean, everyone was
taking that stuff, you know, the pilots. Hitler apparently it.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Was like one of his main things. It was not
his main thing, but it was one of his things.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
But we also had another main thing.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah, he had another main thing. There's We also know
that authorities are still trying to suss out this international
conspiracy because they're not sure whether this kind of branding
was ordered by neo Nazi gangs who are selling drugs,
or whether it's unaffiliated drug gangs that have Neo Nazis
(43:31):
as their prime demographica customer. They really don't know, but
we do know this seems to be a continuing trend.
So I want to thank vice again, think you rebel
because we didn't see a lot of news about this
or I don't know, had you guys heard about this beforehand?
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Not once.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
I'm glad that we haven't, because you know, I think
it speaks to our character that we're not plugged into
the world a neo Nazi cocaine, you know what I mean, Chestnut,
They may this is interesting, Like I would love to
hear people's thoughts on this conspiracy diheartradio dot com, just
(44:11):
because it gives us. I think it's a door into
something else, into a larger trend, you know. And we
know that a lot of groups have not considered themselves
drug cartels per se, but they get involved in the
drug business because it is such a reliable form of income, right, Like,
(44:32):
aren't like biker gangs, Are they still big with drugs
here in the US?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
I think so if what is it? Sons of anarchy
has anything to say, Oh that's right, yes.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yes, So we we do want to hear from you
in this regard, folks, because it sounds like there's something
bigger at play. I want to dig into this and
it's not. Yeah, I think this one got some headlines
just because it seems counterintuitive for Nazis to be super
into you know, ecstasy or as you said, Noel, those
(45:04):
kind of lovey dove fhiel good drugs. But it also,
I don't know, I think it could touch other ideologies.
I'm interested in learning the mechanism. Also shout out to
you Rebel one last time before he closed, for hipping
me to that story about scientists dosing octopuses with him.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Dma, oh that's a good idea. That's just fafo.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Before we get out of this, I just really quickly
been you probed something in my mind with the motorcycle gangs.
Did you guys remember seeing that story a couple of
weeks back about the Baker's Field Hell's Angels how the
entirety of the motorcycle club in Bakersfield got arrested, but
not for selling drugs. It was for assaults, kidnapping, robbery,
(45:50):
and a bunch of other things. But every single member
I got picked up.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Do we know how many people were talking?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
It's like, oh gosh, it wasn't even that many. I
think it was small. It was just like seven human beings.
But it was the entire Bakersfield Hell's Army crew that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
They might have got recoded.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
That's nuts. Oh that makes sense. Yeah, that's how you
scoop up a bunch of them, right, isn't that sort
of the deal? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
It also reminds me. I didn't talk about this on air,
but we were talking about road trips stay in my
head pretty often. It's a good pursuit. I don't know
about you guys, but I like to take the back
roads whenever possible. That's where you get to see more
of the real world. And I remember quite recently I
had to go to the coast of the Atlantic Ocean,
(46:39):
and I took back roads on the return leg, and
I ran into so many sketchy looking motorcycle clubs, And
we got a lot of bikers in the audience tonight.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
We're glad you're here.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
We know that that very small amount of biker gangs
are actually what we would consider criminal organizations, called one
what have you. But I would love to hear from
someone on the inside who's had experience with this, like
former outlaw bikers, former Hell's Angels, and so on. Do
you think do you think we have a good chance
(47:13):
of getting someone there or should we just stick with
the doped up octopus and view one of those.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Doped up octopus. It reminds me back at the beginning
of the episode where you're talking about the anthropomorphic items
and you got the little creepy hook guy, you know,
in the bathroom trying to get into fisticuffs with you.
I'm doing this thing with my fists right now, like
the fighting Irish. It looks good.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
I think we need to get in with the Freemason's RC.
All right, they're the Masonic Riding Club. We need we
need to get into those guys.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Creative writing, creative Masonic writing.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
They're a secret from the Shriners, right, Oh, I think.
So they have the little cars.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
What is wanted?
Speaker 4 (47:51):
One of those sick little cars?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
So I have to say I had a dream the
other night that all three of us were in an
improv show to get there, and I woke up and
just immediately like, we got to take improv class together.
I know you've mentioned that a million times, Ben, but
I'm just doubling down on that. I think it would
be super fun because in my dream we were really
good at it, and you know, it's kind of what
we do here to a agree. So we had to
(48:14):
we had to try that sometime.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yeah, I think everybody should have a little fun with improv. Yeah,
it's just it's just good to do no matter what
your job is. It'll help you be a better communicator
and more importantly, a better listener, which is what I
really had to work on.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
All of us need to work on that for sure.
But I'm going to keep going and talking instead of
listening and telling you guys that the Iron Knights Masonic
Writers are in Grovetown, Georgia. We need to go shut
them out.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
That's right near my neck where I grew up. And
again that's right like in my neck of the woods.
I know Grovetown very well. I didn't know anything about
that being the case, though, I have to say, yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Well, the thing that just show up and act like
we belong there there, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Interview mode, yes, and them into exactly.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
There's something else we would need to look for, look
out for if we're on the road to Grovetown and
this is our last thing tonight inste have a letter
from home. Our longtime friend of the show, Brock aka
the brock Nest Monster, has written and hipped us to
something frightening it's been kind of an on the road
week for us, and in that we're talking about a
(49:24):
lot of automotive conspiracies. I did not know this until
Brock told us. But FedEx has their own police force
and they've had it for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Wait for like investigating, or for guarding and protecting.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
Guarding, protecting. Yeah, there's a that kind of stuff. There's
an excellent Forbes article by Thomas Brewster that came out
that hipped us to this. Forbes recently learned that FedEx
is using some AI tools by a company called Flock
Safety four billion dollars startup for car survey, and it's
(50:01):
monitoring its cargo and distro facilities across the US. It's
also providing the information that gets to law enforcement, which
is not inherently unusual. You know a lot of companies,
a lot of private companies do that even without being
forced to do so. They volunteer it. But it appears
that local police departments are also giving their own surveillance
(50:24):
and Flock feeds back to FedEx. It's a two way street.
They're building a public private surveillance apparatus.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Oh Man, sound very good.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Match it up with all the nest cams or whatever.
You know, all the.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Did we talk about did we talk about those nest
cams that like will shoot paintballs at people? The startup company. Yeah,
it was like, I mean, yeah, maybe I mentioned it
just like in conversation or not on the show, But
there was like a sum like gofund me for a
home ring cam type situation that will threaten you with
like a automated voice saying intruder, identify yourself or whatever,
(51:04):
and if not, then it will help you with paintballs. Wow.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, I mean it's really without sounding hyperbolic, it's a
brave new world.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
We're not ready.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Civilization's not ready for the technology that's rolling out at scale.
Folks like the Electronic Frontier Foundation in the case of
FedEx and Flock network, they are very concerned that this
could go wrong quickly because, simply put, private entities are
not subject to the same transparency laws that police are
(51:35):
in theory subject to, So this could extend a silent,
unseen mass surveillance network and it might be legal for
the public to be left in the dark about it.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Oh boy, Flock apparently specializes in license plate reading too,
so just quick fix everybody make sure your license plate
isn't facing the street.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Yeah, especially if you live in a state like where
you don't have to have a license plate on both
ends of the car. We could also see a world
in where this information is leveraged and collated with information
that leads to targeted pricing. Shout out to Geist, you
know what I mean? What if they have they I
(52:18):
don't want to sound too paranoid, but what if these
different types of apparatus can be combined into an uber
pad opticon right, an uber state that always has its
eyes on you, never blinks, and can never be identified
or held to account. That's the question. Let us know
(52:38):
if that's crazy talk, if that's a whole bunch of
you know, sound and fury signify nothing, or if there's
some sand to it. We want to hear from you.
Thanks to Burker no One in particular, the side pocket
Kid SPK to those in the know, Thanks to Rebel,
and shout out to the people we haven't gotten back
to yet. Very excited for radical moderate as you said
(53:00):
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