October 24, 2024 • 48 mins
Jasper, DJ and multiple other Conspiracy Realists reach out with first-hand knowledge on the bizarre hybrid sheep conspiracy. Mystery drones swarm US airspace. Max The Unblind hips the guys to an unfolding homicide in Kentucky, and T Bone provides an alternate theory on the exploding pagers attack. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
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Speaker 4 (00:29):
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Speaker 5 (00:48):
This evening.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
We are going to uh, we're going to talk about
some sheep. We're going to talk about something that stumped
the Pentagon.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
We might get to some of the ongoing conspiracies about
natural disasters, some alternate theories on pagers, a little fact
we mentioned about the postal service. But before we get
to any of that, we are going to hear from
Max the Unblind. Before we get to Max the Unblind,
we're gonna have a quick word from our sponsors.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And we've returned, and yes it is Max the Unblind
who left us a voicemail and we will hear from
ma'am right now.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Hello, stuff. They don't want you to know, crue. I
would like you to call me Max the Unblind, and
I would absolutely love it if you use this on
your show. I like to start off with business first.
There's been a story that's been going around here in
Kentucky about a sheriff that walked into a judges chamber
and murdered him in cold blood, apparently in Lecher County, Kentucky.
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The reason I'm calling you about this is because, as
far as I can tell, no news outlet wants to
talk about this. It's actually already to find information about it.
And with this this hurricane, you know, the election stuff
like that, I'm afraid it's going to get lost in
all the news. And I'm glad that this happened, even
though you know, I don't like it when people get murdered,
because I've wanted to have an excuse to call you,
(02:13):
guys and thank you. I went blind about seven years ago,
and one of the first things my family did for
me was they bought me an election device because you
can use.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
It with just your voice.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
And you know, first thing I did was I listened
to music and to test it out. And as soon
as my family left the hospital room I was in,
I turned on your podcast. I've been listening to it
ever since. I really appreciate you guys, and that's why
my name is Max the Unblind because I'm blind, but
you guys, you guys help me see the truths truth
of thing. Anyway, I would love it if you use
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it on this podcast, very specifically, if you do use
it on the podcast, please use this recording and not
the other two recordings where I sound like an idiot.
All right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I'm sure you don't. Max appree you don't.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, no, he does not, but it is true. He
left messages and I kept trying to figure out, well,
oh okay, no this is the one. Oh wait, no,
this is the one, and that was the one. So
thank you so much, Max for calling in with those
kind words. That means a ton to us. You have
no idea. We hope you're doing.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I got to spend a little bit of time with
Max on the phone, you guys, and I don't want
to go into his personal story about how he went blind,
but it is a very It's one of those strange
medical things where you go to the hospital because you're
not feeling really well. One day, your blood pressure is spiking,
and then your vision starts getting weird, and then a
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couple more times it happens, and then eventually you go
blind because stuff isn't functioning. Your blood pressure isn't working properly,
something's going wrong inside, and then parts of your eye
towards the back of your head there start to go bad.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
And then you lose your eyesight.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It's really unfortunate, but Max is doing really great right now,
and we couldn't be happier that we're a part of
your world, dude. Indeed, so the reason why Max called
in right he wanted a reason to call in is
about a Kentucky sheriff that allegedly killed a judge like
in the courthouse in the chambers. And at the time
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when Max first called, this was just a local Kentucky story.
It wasn't being reported anywhere outside of that area since
that time, because you guys know that it's kind of
a backlog on our end of voicemails. They're not coming
in on a Tuesday and then we're getting them that
day or even on the Thursday. Generally it takes a
little while to get through them. Well, it has become
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a huge story. Everybody in PR the New York Post, people, CBS, News, CNN,
everybody is talking about this. BBC's talking about this. It
is a very strange story, and I figured we'd jump
in to learn about it at least a little bit.
So first let's go to BBC, of all places, who
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wrote about it on September nineteenth, twenty twenty four. The
title is if you want to look it up, Kentucky
sheriff held over fatal shooting of judge in court. I'm
going to read a bit of this written by Nadine Yusef.
District Judge Kevin Mullins died at the scene after being
shot multiple times in the Letcher County Courthouse. According to
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Kentucky State Police and a person, a county sheriff named
Sean Steins, who was forty three at the time, has
been charged with one count of first degree murder, and
according to the best sources at the time, back in
the middle of September, the shooting happened after some kind
of argument inside the court. But at that time, when
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it was first being talked about like this, there was
no motive. Nobody understood why it happened. There were so
many questions why in the heck would one of the
top members of law enforcement in the area walk into
a judge's chambers and shoot that judge. So the speculation,
as you can imagine, was pretty wild. It happened on
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a Thursday, and right after it happened, the sheriff who
did the shooting, at least allegedly was arrested on the scene.
No problems, no incidents, no anything. He shot this person,
at least according to witnesses and according to the official story,
and then just said okay, yeah, basically take me in.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Have you guys heard about this story at all?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Not a bit. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I found it on a couple of forums and I
was reading into as you said, Oh first, let me
step back, MAXI I'm blind. Thank you so much. It's
a fantastic message, and please feel free always to reach
out to us. When I first heard about this was
on some forums learning about Electric County, which I had
not heard of before this. The connections that seemed to
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proliferate as people learn more about the case at first seemed,
you know, maybe people were reading tea leaves or seeing
things that weren't there. But there are a lot there's
a lot of context to this that emerged earlier. Like
I was not aware he was a bailiff before he
was sheriff, so he was working for the court previously.
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And I guess he must have been a not unpopular
sheriff because he was elected twice. Right, he was re
elected in twenty eighteen, reelected in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And I got that from the New York Times, from
Emmett Lendler.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
I just can't imagine what it would take for someone
to walk into a situation like that so publicly knowing
they were going to do something that was going to
end of their life for all intents and purposes, walk
out surrender like this must have been intensely personal.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, this is where it gets really weird. This is
coming from NPR, written on October eighth of this year.
You can look it up. The title is video shows
the moment a Kentucky judge was shot to death. Listen
to this and this is weird, police say. Lectri County
Sheriff Mickey Steins dialed his daughter's phone number from the
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judge's phone then pull his gun and shot.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Mullins repeatedly sounds like there was a relationship going on
and he was being an angry father and like calling
him on it and saying, you know, like checking his phone,
you know, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Doesn't it sound like that?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But but listen to this further. Kentucky State Police clarified
that they have no evidence the daughter's phone number was
on the judge's phone before the sheriff dialed it, So
why would he do that?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Well, then it maybe the idea was simply to obscure
that was him hauling. But apparently he also told the
employees of the court that he needed to talk to
the judge privately, and then he surrendered himself. Right he
arrested without incident, but right right after firing the shots,
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he walks outside and peaceably surrenders.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, and there's video of this entire thing happening, and
people have watched it. People have watched the video because
he was charged immediately afterwards with first degree murder, and
of course the sheriff, you know it, gets arrested. He
resigns as sheriff. He pleads not guilty to murder, even
though there is video evidence of him doing it, and
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like so many witnesses and it's just like.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
What And it wasn't his first time on the wrong
side of a court room, right.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Oh yeah, well I would tell us about that.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
So this is from the Courier Journal. Back in twenty
twenty two, there were allegations of some pretty nasty sexual
abuse that one of Stein's deputies had pressured a woman
into having sexual intercourse with him and return for some
kind of favorable treatment. So it occurred through a proxy
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at least the pressure on this victim. Oh, and that
article is by Andrew Wolfson. You can find it suit
aledges Kentucky deputy forced woman to have sex in judge's
chamber in lieu of fees so instead of having to
pay court fees.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I'll give you a little bit more from this
NPR article because it is this is a twisted tail.
Several days before Stein's allegedly killed the judge, he was
interviewed for hours in a deposition in a suit that
names him Stein's in his capacity as sheriff. The lawsuit
claimed that Steins knew or should have known, that a
now former deputy had coerced a female drug defendant into
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having sex in exchange for freeing her from house arrest.
So that's the specific there. The defendant said Deputy Ben
Fields had forster her to have sex with him in
Judge Mullen's chambers after hours, so like after the courthouses
in any kind of session, in exchange for Fields taking
off her ankle monitor.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And the person filing the suit. The victim here is
prisonamed Sabrina Atkins.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Hmmm, a man, So don't I don't know. There's even more,
I would point everybody. Was it the Courtier Journal one
the Kentucky judge shooting, what was alleged about former Sean
Stein's motive?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
This is there a couple of things from the That
one is by Rachel Smith. There are a couple of
other articles from Courier Journal. Yeah, and that the one
that I was citing is from Andrew Wilson.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Okay, Well, there's a ton you can learn about this now,
and so if anybody who's interested in it, go out
there check it out. I did a quick little search
just for the latest news about this case, and it
looks like there's nothing brand new. Most of everything we've
talked about is kind of the most up to date stuff,
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so do keep an eye on it. It seems like
a weird case. Probably doesn't have a lot of bigger implications,
but it is.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It is really weird.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I have to wonder what was said in that deposition.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to know.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Apparently the apparently the sheriff and the judge had like
lunch together right before the shooting occurred. They were just
hanging out with other people having lunch. Some things were said,
and then at some point it was decided I need
to shoot this guy. Pretty pretty crazy stuff, all right, Well,
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Speaker 6 (12:37):
And we have returned with more messages from you today.
I brought two messages from you, YESU, one from t
Bow and one from Restricted Free Agent. About two very
different but then I know they have some things in common.
I guess involving perhaps shipment and receiving of goods. That's
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about where the similarities in. So let's start with t
Bone with some alternative theories explaining the exploding pager slash
two way radio debacle that we've talked about recently. Hey, guys,
insert typical love the show comments here.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Okay, we're doing that in our minds and in our hearts.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Just finished listening to your discussion on the exploding pager
and walkie talkies, and I want to disagree with the
point that you thought Israel pushed the button because they
felt their long term operation to insert the rig devices
had been compromised.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I'd like to offer an alternative theory.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
On the timeline of events, which I think is plausible
and could be much more condensed. Step one Israel gets
Hesbela leadership thinking their cell phones are compromised, and maybe
they are. Step two, Israel learns of the orders for
mass quantities of pagers and cell phones through the consultant
group that we talked about. It's kind of the middleman
in this deal, that's right. Step three, during shipment of
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the devices, Israel intercepts them and plants the explosives. Step
four shortly thereafter, the devices are distributed, and when Israel
detects a reduction in cell phone traffic, they activate the pagers,
then the WTS a couple of days later. By modifying
the devices during shipment rather than being the manufacturer, it's
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a shorter timeframe from distribution to detonation. This could enable
a quicker response and I think would make the equipment
more likely to actually be in the hands of Hesbala
operators rather than potentially innocent victims. You can call me
t Bone, feel free to read this on the air
and let me know what you think. I will say, Ben,
this isn't certainly isn't far off from what we were
(14:40):
talking about. I guess the main difference here is a
slight tweak in the order of operations, and also the
notion that perhaps we all I think brought this up
at one point another Perhaps Israel felt that the jig
was up and that they were about to be exposed,
perhaps and that they needed to kind of pooper get
off the pot, because they would have lost all of
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the investment in this operation if if it had been
discovered and they you know, just tossed all of the phones.
I do have a question for you, Ben around t
bones point about detecting a reduction in cell phone traffic.
Do you have a sense of what that means or
like how that might be a metric they would use
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in order to you know, kind of like align their timing.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, and it's a great point, t Bone, thank you
so much for writing in Conspiracy adiheartradio dot com if
you ever want to drop us a line here. This
is completely plausible because you we know that a nation
state with this level of intelligence would be able to
monitor phones I think pretty easily as well without having
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you know, obviously we're not in the meetings about monitoring
the phones, but as as a metric, combined with later
public statements from his below, that we know that they
were directing associates of the organization to avoid using those
cell phones, even if they were, you know, their purposely
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their purpose made hesblah only cell phones, so you could
see a measurable dip in there, and that might be
a metric. As you said, NOLA indicates the right time
to strike. I think we're all it just seems more
plausible that there was a There was definitely premeditation and waiting,
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There was definitely maybe a jig is up. I think
it's more interesting while you're bringing up t Bone the
idea of inserting the explosive apparatus at some point in
the shipping process. You would just have to be really
quick about it, wouldn't you. Wouldn't you have to also
be able to seamlessly insert it such that it doesn't
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look as though the pager has been tampered with.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Exactly you, guys, I don't want a t Bone thing.
Thank you for this. I'm gonna quickly reference another voicemail
that Plebe Fri end of the show Pleb sent in.
Rather than an intercepting and you know, inserting the explosives,
what if it was a swap, Like if you just
imagine boxes of pagers and the intelligence is aware of
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which like pager models they are. They've already prefabricated the
exact same type of pager, just with the explosive in it.
So when the call to have these shipped from the
consultant right or ordered via the consultant, they literally just
switch boxes rather than having to open individual pages.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
That's a cool thought.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Please, it is.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
And I guess, guys, as another of the added details here,
maybe we didn't discuss was that not only are they
distributing pagers but also burner cell phones, and that they're
in control of those as well, and that that's what's
allowing them to monitor the traffic, because that definitely was
in the point here in step two that t boone outline,
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Israel learn of the orders from mass quantities of pagers
and cell phones through the consultant group. During shipment of
the devices, Israel intercepts them and plants the explosives, but
not in cell phones.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
There are no exploding cell phones, only exploding pagers.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You also wouldn't need physical access to those cell phones,
if I'm understanding this correctly, You also wouldn't need physical
access to those cell phones to monitor.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
They're in control, they just don't have to, like I mean,
to your point, then they could monitor maybe if they
didn't know which phones they were, but I guess if
they're going dark and going into kind of like operations mode,
they wouldn't be using the phones as much. They'd be
relying specifically on the pagers, and so that's why they're
looking for the drop in cell phone used. And at
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that point, most likely the people that would be mobilized
using the pagers, would be members of HESBLO.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
And it may even be I mean this is purely
conspiratorial speculation. It may even be the kind of thing
where you drive people to those decisions, right like you
let it be known that the cell phones are compromised,
thus pushing.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
People toward the pagers, Yes.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
And then they pushed toward the walkie talkies, and you've
got them there as well. These are possible, and I
do believe that we will t bone learn more about
the specifics of that operation later on in the future.
We just don't know when. Probably not immediately, but in
a few years. These kind of things usually get the
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story gets told, you.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Know, guys.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Thinking about the story again and kind of trying to
look at it from different angle made me think of
another story or kind of perked my ears up when
I heard a mention of this other story. The FBI
actually basically started their own startup company that offered these
cell phones that were very attractive to criminals because they
offer this kind of like special encryption or whatever, and
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they marketed them, you know, the FBI, to criminals, and
then we're able to use them when they were in
the criminal's hands to execute a massive sting operation. So
this kind of felt like a precedent almost that we
didn't talk about, and I thought that was something that
would be worth mentioning here.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, anom A n O M. That's the that's the
FBI phone, right. I only know about this. There's a
book called Dark One Dark Wire, and it's coming out
as a Netflix series. Actually, that was the news that
brought up in the press recently. I didn't know that,
but I remember the book by guy named Joseph Cox.
It's a great read. But I'm so glad you brought
that up, Noel, because look, these kind of operations don't
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go as planned all the time, right, because they're often
at the forefront of technology. If you want to learn
more about anom which which you just mentioned there, Noel,
check out Dark Wire, the incredible true story the largest
sting operation ever. It also reminds me too of the
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Long Lines building and our long standing fascination with that.
You probably know about this already, t Bote, but check
out the Long Line story if you haven't heard it before.
It is it is the true story of why there
is a ginormous windowless skyscraper in the heart of Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, it's the place where the intelligence community literally splits
all communications off, so that there is the communications that
occur and then the intelligence apparatus feed of the exact
same copied communications.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, just absolutely, And I think it's still on the
feed somewhere.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Didn't we record a live episode about the Longlines Building
years back?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, you can search that out.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
But I just want to mention too, just in terms
of the precedent of the ANOM story. They the FBI
got twelve thousand units of this product into the hands
of various criminals, from drug traffickers to members of organized
crime and all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So it you know, the novelty of.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
The Israel version of the grift I guess as implanting explosives,
but that could have just easily been done in this situation,
though maybe the net was a little wider, but in
terms of like the types of folks that got it,
and they were mainly appealing to them as a business,
and they were breaching out and buying them directly as
opposed to intercepting them. And you know from a company
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that these individuals were already purchasing them from.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
But I do think it's interesting parallels there.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, because you know, if you look at the ADOM
operation from the FBI's perspective, like we said, after there
after people who are engaged in things like drug trafficking, right,
which is not a capital punishment offense in the United States.
So blowing up the cell phone and killing them is,
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you know, circumvents the way rule of law is supposed
to work in this country. But I think you're absolutely right.
You're astute there that this is another precedent I was
focusing I guess with I think thank you for me
it's the explosive.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
As Yeah, that's the new twist on this.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Well, thank you Tibo and really quickly, guys, I know
I'm running a little out of time, but I just
thought this was worth reading. Got another one here coming
from Restricted Free Agent. He asks us to use this
moniker because of what he's talking about. He knows this
organization could potentially come after him for what he's about
to tell us. I love the show, says Restricted Free Agent.
(23:27):
I've been catching up, so I'm sorry if you've already
covered this. We have it about ten months back and
listen to you guys or stuff you should know every
day on the route to keep my sanity. I'm a
letter carrier and have been for a little over a decade,
and we're divided into city carriers and rural carriers, which
is just a dumb fact for you. As a city carrier.
We've been without a contract for almost a year and
a half. They spent all of COVID telling us how
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important we were. We watched ups get a huge pay
raise as a reward for how they dealt with COVID.
But our union and the Post Office have been yanking
our chain while telling us how important we are to
democracy for this election. It's pretty insulting, and even more
so because we aren't allowed to strike due to federal law.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It's called the Lloyd la Falette Act.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
This was new to I think Ben, you and me,
and I'm sure Matt that you might not be fully
aware of this either, the Lloyd la Fallette Act. The
last time the letter carriers did strike, the National Guard
was called in and failed miserably to do our jobs. Again,
the National Guard called in to replace the Yes, the scats.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
The Post office is filled with bloat and corruption, but
the people delivering your mail don't have a contract and
are the only ones out in the elements and will
be blamed after this election no matter.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
What we do by whoever loses.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Also, politicians pay almost nothing for all that junk election
mail you throw away every day. I sure do sometimes
keep some of the really absurd ones as little historical keepsakes.
We have carriers who are on government assistance, and I've
never once heard about our lack of contract on the
news because it's the definition.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Of stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Oh beautiful, well done, restrictive free agent. And we definitely
want to get that out into the world because, as
he said, Noel, if you were startle to realize that
there's not a legal ability to strike, it just it
doesn't make sense because we associate unions so inextricably with
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that kind of exercise of worker power. And actually reached
out to a buddy of ours who is a postal
service worker in Colorado and wanted to talk to my
local mail carrier about this. But he's busy, you know,
because when I see him is a work So I'm
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going to try to catch him.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'm going to try to.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Catch him when he goes by our local diner in
the neighborhood here, but hopefully we can and gets more
firsthand evidence. But yeah, thank you so much. Restrictive free agent,
that is, it just doesn't like I understand it. I understand,
you know, the idea that the mail must always continue,
but it feels like you could make a strong argument
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that need has been weaponized against the actual carriers.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yeah, and we know that the US Post Service has
been in a pretty tough spot in recent history, under
attack one hundred percent, and it just doesn't seem like
this level of harsh kind of treatment would be conducive
to retaining high quality employees.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Or a sustainable we're going to say, I mean, it's
it almost if it feels like we can not not
associate it with the the move to cripple and gut
the USPS, which has been going on for decades, you know,
and further privatizing the mail, you know, through ups. Oh,
that's very similar to PGL and PGA three ups and
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through FedEx and stuff like that. And we've got a
lot of people working for those private organizations and they
have their own stuff they don't want you to know
as well. And I'm sure you know that too. Restrictive
free agent. But this is I agree, this is something
people need to be talking about more often. Not to
be too Joni Mitchell about it, but the US Postal
Service is something you might not miss till its gone,
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you know what I mean. And there are people who
want to cut those public services that you pay for
as a as a person in the United States.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, I'm just guys, just as a person who experiences mail,
the ye old snail mail. It is one of those
things that feels like eventually we're probably gonna move away from.
And I don't know, simply because unless you're unless you're
in a specific job or of a specific standing where
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you're constantly sending correspondence back and forth or you know,
legal document or things like that, there's no reason for it.
And generally you would use like a secured FedEx shipment
or something for a legal document. So it is crazy
to think about. And that's nothing against you, restricted free agent,
or anybody who's working in that field. It just feels
(28:16):
like something that humans are moving away from.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Well, and I can't imagine that restricted free agent is
going to put up with this kind of crap for
much longer before they start to look elsewhere. Whether it
be fed x ups or some other private organization for employment.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I think that's it for me. Guys, thanks to t
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And we have returned. This is the final act of
our weekly listener mail segment. We are going to hear
let's say, we'll keep it really brief because there are
two things want to get to. We're going to save
the Hurricane Helene and Milton conspiracy theories for a future episode.
It's our update on natural disasters, so stay tuned for that.
(29:10):
In the meantime, we had a lot of people writing
in about the hybrid sheep story that we talked about
briefly on our Strange News segment. And you guys remember
this story. This is about Arthur Schubarth Jack to his
friends who illegally bred and sold these gigantic sheep hybrid
(29:31):
sheep clones to big Game preserves. He recently got sentenced
to six months in prison and twenty four grand USD
and fines. So Jasper and many other folks wrote in
about this. Hello, folks, says Jasper. There are two main
dangers that were probably considered in the indictment of the
guy cloning sheep. One these sheep were hybrids. He used
(29:53):
tissue from a large wild sheep called the Marco Polo sheep,
and artificially inseminated female clones using collected from the testicles
of a hunted bighorn sheep. If the resultant hybrids went
on to breed with wild bighorn sheeps, whether by escaping
their pins or big horn sheep passed through their pastures,
(30:13):
that could mess up the genetic integrity of the species
and introduce traits that might reduce the ability of bighorn
sheep to survive in the rocky mountains. So no pause there,
because that's a pretty interesting argument, right, the creation of
an invasive species or the eradication of a species because
of invasive genetic traits.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Wow, invasive genetics, that's a concept.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
That's a dangerous one.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Agreed.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
And the next point, which we were not aware of,
Jasper tells us bighorn sheep are very susceptible to infections
that don't cause serious diseases in other sheep. A major example,
and thank you for the pronunciation note here, Jasper is
Mycoplasma ovia nomine ovia mine.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Domino patri a blessing from a priest.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
So in domestic sheep, this causes mild or asymptomatic illness,
but it will absolutely obliterate the big horn sheep in
an area if it's introduced. And Jasper is telling you
us this because Jasper is friends with some colleagues that
research this specific infection in domestic sheep. So there are
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these incredibly robust, rigid regulations about what species of sheep
or goat can be imported and from where, and how
they can be kept to minimize the potential of cross
contact with big horn sheep. This is not a hypothetical risk. Jasper,
you linked us to a great source from the Justice
(31:47):
Department of the United States themselves, And I think when
stuff gets to the DOJ, it means it's pretty serious.
Because it reminds me we talked a little bit about this.
It reminds me of the restraints that UH Hawaii has
on the importation of food or animals right or especially fruits,
and imagine invasive species that seem fun at first, like
(32:12):
probably hamsters. They probably can't bring hamsters into Hawaii. They'll
just overrun the place because they want be a hamster.
Why moving? So we had another We had another person
follow up with a more i would say character centric
opinion on this guy. Arthur Shoebarth agent Alkaline says recently
(32:37):
in our local news, this story has been blowing up.
This guy, Arthur's shoe Barth also owns a sketchy local
pet store in Great Falls, Montana. They kept all the animals,
including puppies and kittens in aquariums and at one point monkeys,
but that was before I lived there. How it stays
(32:57):
open is anybody's guests. It's no prize. They showed absolutely
no regard for endangered animals or animals at all. Thanks
guys a huge fan. Keep it real.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
There's a lot more to sheep law that I ever
considered it. The specialty of the loss like bird law.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess the invasive species aspect
of it didn't really occur to me right up front,
but it makes sense when you do have an economy
that's like so dependent on that particular type of animal.
And I did not realize that there were certain species
that were more susceptible to these types of diseases that
could result from this sort of you know, breeding.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
And we know what a lot of us in the
audience are thinking. Can I still use sheep law as
part of my cover identity on an operation? The answer
is probably not, because it turns out there are real
sheep laws and you have to know what they are
if you're going to plausibly impersonate a sheep attorney a
big horn lawyer.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah, there's a word for somewhere.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, dude, guys. I found a Facebook page titled closed
down Jack's Pet Center in Great Falls, Montana, and it
has a bunch of information and photos of this guy's
weird pet story that Alkaline mentioned.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Hmm, that's I mean, it sounds like it's been a
controversy for a while. Also, Alkaline didn't read this particular
phrase you used, but you said hand monkeys were also
kept in aquariums. I didn't know that hand monkeys are
a thing. We found finger monkeys, the smallest pet monkey
(34:38):
you can own. They're pigmy marmosets. They're just like six
inches big, not counting the tail, So maybe that's what
you're talking about it. They've got these big magua vibes.
They look like Pokemon. I kind of want to hang
out with one dude. Or if we're the CIA, well
let's figure out how we can use them to spy.
(35:00):
M hm, we have one more here. We'll get to
letters from home next week. But we have won from
some anonymous sources. Folks on Instagram as well. Hit us
to this crazy story. I don't know if you guys
have heard about this, but not too too long ago,
mystery drones swarmed a US military base for seventeen days,
(35:24):
and as of last week, the Pentagon still officially doesn't
know what's happening. This was over Langley Air Force Bace
on Virginia's shoreline like Okay, for several nights. Military personnel
in this place that is home to a bunch of
the US's most advanced fighter jets, including Deaf twenty two's.
(35:46):
They had said, somebody is breaching our airspace. We like,
this is airspace over Langley. This is one of the
most tightly controlled airspaces in the country, and about forty
five five minutes to an hour after sunset, a bunch
of drones would arrive in the sky. They were roughly
(36:06):
twenty feet long, fly at more than one hundred miles
an hour at an altitude of three to four thousand feet,
and then other drones would come in one by one.
Want a shout out to Gordon Luebold, Lari Siligman, and
Aruna Viswanatha over at MSN for this article. You can
find it there easily. The drones had a predictable path.
(36:28):
They headed south across Chesapeake toward Norfolk. This means they
went over the area that is the home base of
Seal Team six and the world's largest naval port, Naval
station Norfolk. Nobody knew who the drones were coming from.
Was it possibly another agency, another department and they just
had you know, crossed wires of paperwork. Was it possible
(36:52):
that they were a test from rival powers? I mean, look,
a little quad copter you could buy off TIMU or
Amazon and is not going to be one hundred miles
an hour capable, and it's not going to be twenty
feet long, right unless I'm looking at the wrong drones.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I don't think you are. Nope, No, okay, I.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Was hoping you guys were going to tell me, No,
you can totally get like five of those and you
get a price break. Yet this so this story is
still developing. We haven't found an answer yet, but we
know we know that there appears to be abnormal or
unusual drone activity over US government sites in This occurred
(37:36):
in December of twenty twenty three, so just when you know,
we just learned about it and it happened a while back.
But two months before that, in October of twenty twenty three,
five drones flew over a nuclear weapon experiment site in
the US and they never got caught. This was in Vegas,
(37:58):
and they don't know who operated the drones in Nevada,
they don't know why they were there, what they were
attempting to do. And a spokesperson for the facility, which
is run by the Energy Department, said they've upgraded their
system now to detect and counter drones, which means, you know,
cough cough, shoot them down or disable them. I'm wondering
(38:22):
how they do it too, because you guys remember the
uh oh gosh, you guys remember the training programs where
people were teaching predatory birds to attack drones.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
No, that sounds terrifying, though, Are these like falconers?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Like, yeah, it's they're red tailed hawks. And I think
you are correct now, I think there are falconers involved.
The story came out like, oh my gosh, get this.
Twenty fourteen was ten years ago, guys, The story came
out ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Wow. Old.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
So I'm sure that program continues apace. But this is
also telling us something big is a foot or in
the sky, because.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Did you just say bigfoot in the sky?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
A foot in the sky. It couldn't be a bigot
in the sky.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It's a it's a bigfoot swing as far as puns go.
But it reminds me too of the Chinese spy balloon
that floated across the country while we were recording.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
How could we forget the Chinese spy balloon?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Right, Yes, we'll always have the Chinese spy balloon. And
so these drones, over the course of more than two weeks,
flying off, circling back. I'm wondering why they couldn't track them,
Like why they couldn't find where they were landing, because
they had to be landing somewhere nearby, right, they couldn't
(39:45):
be just flying over the Atlantic every night shortly after us.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
No, they'd have to have some sort of pit stop location.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
So do you guys have any guesses? Before we wrapped today.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Bro, your guess is as good as mine.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I guess these are all horrible, and the doctor SUSI
and level. My guess is maybe someone is like the
best possible scenario is that someone is doing internal testing
what we would call pen testing, right, penetration testing, the
drone equivalent of white hat hacking. Then, I don't know,
(40:27):
it's equally interesting to see how they were figuring out
how they might try to catch these One guy said, hey,
why don't we get the US Coast Guard to shoot
nets at them. I'm sure somebody brought up the falcon thing,
and then someone else said what if we use directed energy?
And then someone in the FAA also probably responded on
the email or in the meeting and said, yeah, the
(40:48):
problem with directed energy is that you know, you might
miss and hit an aircraft.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, with people on it.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
All right, a counter drone program. And these drones have
tethered electro magnets attached to them, so they fly close
to the other drones and then they zap them with
the electromagnet and then bring the drones back.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Hmm, there we go. I like that. I like the
use of the magnets. I also, you know, if we're
talking about government largesse. Why don't we just build a
duplicate of all this stuff over there in Norfolk Rangley, Right,
and then now we just have two. I feel like
I pay a lot of taxes. I feel like we
(41:35):
could do that, So do just.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
You know, guys, I'll always think it. We really need
a second pentagon just in case the first one gets compromised.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yes, yes, we'll call the first one pentagony Pentagon one.
It works in print, never mind, but yeah, we'll have
We'll have P and two P or not two P,
that's the question. Yeah. So a there is an explanation
(42:06):
spinning this story out a little bit, and please check
out the articles because it's a fantastic explanation. After everybody
was trying to figure out what happened, there was a
rainy morning on January sixth, a guy named Fegion She
has parked a rented Tesla near Newport News, Virginia, eleven
miles from Langley, and he is a student at the
(42:29):
University of Minnesota, and he was trying to fly a drone.
He told people in the area that his drone got
stuck in a tree and he tried to free it
using his controller when a neighbor called the police. The
police show up and they say, hey, man, this is
terrible weather to fly a drone. And this is like
(42:49):
the black mirror version of a cat stuck in a tree.
So they tell him to call the fire department and
they'll help him out. Instead, she returns his car, his tesla.
He takes an Amtrak to DC and then he flies
to California. So this is, by the way, the behavior
of someone who's been made and not a UFM student.
(43:11):
And so the drone falls to the ground. The Feds
get it, and they find that the drone has photographs
navy vessels and dry dock shots taken around midnight, and
some shots were of vessels that were being constructed in
the shipyard. They arrest him on January eighteenth, just a
(43:34):
few days later, as he is about to hop a
flight to China on a one way ticket, and he said, look, no,
I'm not you know, I'm not doing anything crazy. I
just like chips, you guys, I didn't know it was
restricted airspace.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I love boats are cool, you know, dude, Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And I was just heading back, you know, I was
just doing my thing here, doing my little hobby and
I'm just going.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
To head home.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
And so spoiler, they don't buy his story. They say
that he is guilty of unlawfully and knowingly taking photos
of classified naval installations. And this is the first case
of a drone that came up under USS bionage law.
He said he had been on vacation, he flew drones
(44:21):
of Mill Night for fun, his h The judge ends
up saying some the six months in prison and she's
attorney against the award for the For the best quote
in the case, Chao Mingcheng says, if he was a
foreign agent, he would be the worst spy ever known,
like worse than James Bond. And that's where we're going
(44:44):
to end the story. You can learn more, but I like,
let's end on this question. Guys, there was more than
one drone. What happened to the other? You know, college students.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Don't don't dum lifting dude.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
They investigated a haunted house together and then it's.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
Sorry it was old man Willickers from the Haunted amusement
park called.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah, they've trained the falcons to attack the people controlling
the drones now too, death by falcon, Big big things
that Jasper DJ big, big things to ancient alkaline maxium,
blind t bone, restricted agent, everybody who wrote in.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
Guys really quickly, as we wrap up, have you heard
the theory that these Tesla robots are actually just being
controlled remote controlled by somebody?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
And have you heard that the guy who did the
design for what film.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
I Robot, I Robote Alex Proyees, who also directed The
Crow and Dark City the design Furst City. I love
Dark City and I love the original Crow, but the
both the vehicles and the robots themselves appear to have
been completely lifted from that film.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, dude, Yeah, very much so.
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Speaker 5 (00:48):
This evening.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
We are going to uh, we're going to talk about
some sheep. We're going to talk about something that stumped
the Pentagon.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
We might get to some of the ongoing conspiracies about
natural disasters, some alternate theories on pagers, a little fact
we mentioned about the postal service. But before we get
to any of that, we are going to hear from
Max the Unblind. Before we get to Max the Unblind,
we're gonna have a quick word from our sponsors.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And we've returned, and yes it is Max the Unblind
who left us a voicemail and we will hear from
ma'am right now.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Hello, stuff. They don't want you to know, crue. I
would like you to call me Max the Unblind, and
I would absolutely love it if you use this on
your show. I like to start off with business first.
There's been a story that's been going around here in
Kentucky about a sheriff that walked into a judges chamber
and murdered him in cold blood, apparently in Lecher County, Kentucky.
(01:52):
The reason I'm calling you about this is because, as
far as I can tell, no news outlet wants to
talk about this. It's actually already to find information about it.
And with this this hurricane, you know, the election stuff
like that, I'm afraid it's going to get lost in
all the news. And I'm glad that this happened, even
though you know, I don't like it when people get murdered,
because I've wanted to have an excuse to call you,
(02:13):
guys and thank you. I went blind about seven years ago,
and one of the first things my family did for
me was they bought me an election device because you
can use.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
It with just your voice.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
And you know, first thing I did was I listened
to music and to test it out. And as soon
as my family left the hospital room I was in,
I turned on your podcast. I've been listening to it
ever since. I really appreciate you guys, and that's why
my name is Max the Unblind because I'm blind, but
you guys, you guys help me see the truths truth
of thing. Anyway, I would love it if you use
(02:44):
it on this podcast, very specifically, if you do use
it on the podcast, please use this recording and not
the other two recordings where I sound like an idiot.
All right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I'm sure you don't. Max appree you don't.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, no, he does not, but it is true. He
left messages and I kept trying to figure out, well,
oh okay, no this is the one. Oh wait, no,
this is the one, and that was the one. So
thank you so much, Max for calling in with those
kind words. That means a ton to us. You have
no idea. We hope you're doing.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I got to spend a little bit of time with
Max on the phone, you guys, and I don't want
to go into his personal story about how he went blind,
but it is a very It's one of those strange
medical things where you go to the hospital because you're
not feeling really well. One day, your blood pressure is spiking,
and then your vision starts getting weird, and then a
(03:36):
couple more times it happens, and then eventually you go
blind because stuff isn't functioning. Your blood pressure isn't working properly,
something's going wrong inside, and then parts of your eye
towards the back of your head there start to go bad.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
And then you lose your eyesight.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It's really unfortunate, but Max is doing really great right now,
and we couldn't be happier that we're a part of
your world, dude. Indeed, so the reason why Max called
in right he wanted a reason to call in is
about a Kentucky sheriff that allegedly killed a judge like
in the courthouse in the chambers. And at the time
(04:14):
when Max first called, this was just a local Kentucky story.
It wasn't being reported anywhere outside of that area since
that time, because you guys know that it's kind of
a backlog on our end of voicemails. They're not coming
in on a Tuesday and then we're getting them that
day or even on the Thursday. Generally it takes a
little while to get through them. Well, it has become
(04:35):
a huge story. Everybody in PR the New York Post, people, CBS, News, CNN,
everybody is talking about this. BBC's talking about this. It
is a very strange story, and I figured we'd jump
in to learn about it at least a little bit.
So first let's go to BBC, of all places, who
(04:58):
wrote about it on September nineteenth, twenty twenty four. The
title is if you want to look it up, Kentucky
sheriff held over fatal shooting of judge in court. I'm
going to read a bit of this written by Nadine Yusef.
District Judge Kevin Mullins died at the scene after being
shot multiple times in the Letcher County Courthouse. According to
(05:18):
Kentucky State Police and a person, a county sheriff named
Sean Steins, who was forty three at the time, has
been charged with one count of first degree murder, and
according to the best sources at the time, back in
the middle of September, the shooting happened after some kind
of argument inside the court. But at that time, when
(05:40):
it was first being talked about like this, there was
no motive. Nobody understood why it happened. There were so
many questions why in the heck would one of the
top members of law enforcement in the area walk into
a judge's chambers and shoot that judge. So the speculation,
as you can imagine, was pretty wild. It happened on
(06:01):
a Thursday, and right after it happened, the sheriff who
did the shooting, at least allegedly was arrested on the scene.
No problems, no incidents, no anything. He shot this person,
at least according to witnesses and according to the official story,
and then just said okay, yeah, basically take me in.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Have you guys heard about this story at all?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Not a bit. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I found it on a couple of forums and I
was reading into as you said, Oh first, let me
step back, MAXI I'm blind. Thank you so much. It's
a fantastic message, and please feel free always to reach
out to us. When I first heard about this was
on some forums learning about Electric County, which I had
not heard of before this. The connections that seemed to
(06:44):
proliferate as people learn more about the case at first seemed,
you know, maybe people were reading tea leaves or seeing
things that weren't there. But there are a lot there's
a lot of context to this that emerged earlier. Like
I was not aware he was a bailiff before he
was sheriff, so he was working for the court previously.
(07:05):
And I guess he must have been a not unpopular
sheriff because he was elected twice. Right, he was re
elected in twenty eighteen, reelected in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And I got that from the New York Times, from
Emmett Lendler.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
I just can't imagine what it would take for someone
to walk into a situation like that so publicly knowing
they were going to do something that was going to
end of their life for all intents and purposes, walk
out surrender like this must have been intensely personal.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, this is where it gets really weird. This is
coming from NPR, written on October eighth of this year.
You can look it up. The title is video shows
the moment a Kentucky judge was shot to death. Listen
to this and this is weird, police say. Lectri County
Sheriff Mickey Steins dialed his daughter's phone number from the
(07:57):
judge's phone then pull his gun and shot.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Mullins repeatedly sounds like there was a relationship going on
and he was being an angry father and like calling
him on it and saying, you know, like checking his phone,
you know, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Doesn't it sound like that?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But but listen to this further. Kentucky State Police clarified
that they have no evidence the daughter's phone number was
on the judge's phone before the sheriff dialed it, So
why would he do that?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Well, then it maybe the idea was simply to obscure
that was him hauling. But apparently he also told the
employees of the court that he needed to talk to
the judge privately, and then he surrendered himself. Right he
arrested without incident, but right right after firing the shots,
(08:46):
he walks outside and peaceably surrenders.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, and there's video of this entire thing happening, and
people have watched it. People have watched the video because
he was charged immediately afterwards with first degree murder, and
of course the sheriff, you know it, gets arrested. He
resigns as sheriff. He pleads not guilty to murder, even
though there is video evidence of him doing it, and
(09:12):
like so many witnesses and it's just like.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
What And it wasn't his first time on the wrong
side of a court room, right.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Oh yeah, well I would tell us about that.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
So this is from the Courier Journal. Back in twenty
twenty two, there were allegations of some pretty nasty sexual
abuse that one of Stein's deputies had pressured a woman
into having sexual intercourse with him and return for some
kind of favorable treatment. So it occurred through a proxy
(09:45):
at least the pressure on this victim. Oh, and that
article is by Andrew Wolfson. You can find it suit
aledges Kentucky deputy forced woman to have sex in judge's
chamber in lieu of fees so instead of having to
pay court fees.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I'll give you a little bit more from this
NPR article because it is this is a twisted tail.
Several days before Stein's allegedly killed the judge, he was
interviewed for hours in a deposition in a suit that
names him Stein's in his capacity as sheriff. The lawsuit
claimed that Steins knew or should have known, that a
now former deputy had coerced a female drug defendant into
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having sex in exchange for freeing her from house arrest.
So that's the specific there. The defendant said Deputy Ben
Fields had forster her to have sex with him in
Judge Mullen's chambers after hours, so like after the courthouses
in any kind of session, in exchange for Fields taking
off her ankle monitor.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And the person filing the suit. The victim here is
prisonamed Sabrina Atkins.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Hmmm, a man, So don't I don't know. There's even more,
I would point everybody. Was it the Courtier Journal one
the Kentucky judge shooting, what was alleged about former Sean
Stein's motive?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
This is there a couple of things from the That
one is by Rachel Smith. There are a couple of
other articles from Courier Journal. Yeah, and that the one
that I was citing is from Andrew Wilson.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Okay, Well, there's a ton you can learn about this now,
and so if anybody who's interested in it, go out
there check it out. I did a quick little search
just for the latest news about this case, and it
looks like there's nothing brand new. Most of everything we've
talked about is kind of the most up to date stuff,
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so do keep an eye on it. It seems like
a weird case. Probably doesn't have a lot of bigger implications,
but it is.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It is really weird.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I have to wonder what was said in that deposition.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to know.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Apparently the apparently the sheriff and the judge had like
lunch together right before the shooting occurred. They were just
hanging out with other people having lunch. Some things were said,
and then at some point it was decided I need
to shoot this guy. Pretty pretty crazy stuff, all right, Well,
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Speaker 6 (12:37):
And we have returned with more messages from you today.
I brought two messages from you, YESU, one from t
Bow and one from Restricted Free Agent. About two very
different but then I know they have some things in common.
I guess involving perhaps shipment and receiving of goods. That's
(12:59):
about where the similarities in. So let's start with t
Bone with some alternative theories explaining the exploding pager slash
two way radio debacle that we've talked about recently. Hey, guys,
insert typical love the show comments here.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Okay, we're doing that in our minds and in our hearts.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Just finished listening to your discussion on the exploding pager
and walkie talkies, and I want to disagree with the
point that you thought Israel pushed the button because they
felt their long term operation to insert the rig devices
had been compromised.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I'd like to offer an alternative theory.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
On the timeline of events, which I think is plausible
and could be much more condensed. Step one Israel gets
Hesbela leadership thinking their cell phones are compromised, and maybe
they are. Step two, Israel learns of the orders for
mass quantities of pagers and cell phones through the consultant
group that we talked about. It's kind of the middleman
in this deal, that's right. Step three, during shipment of
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the devices, Israel intercepts them and plants the explosives. Step
four shortly thereafter, the devices are distributed, and when Israel
detects a reduction in cell phone traffic, they activate the pagers,
then the WTS a couple of days later. By modifying
the devices during shipment rather than being the manufacturer, it's
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a shorter timeframe from distribution to detonation. This could enable
a quicker response and I think would make the equipment
more likely to actually be in the hands of Hesbala
operators rather than potentially innocent victims. You can call me
t Bone, feel free to read this on the air
and let me know what you think. I will say, Ben,
this isn't certainly isn't far off from what we were
(14:40):
talking about. I guess the main difference here is a
slight tweak in the order of operations, and also the
notion that perhaps we all I think brought this up
at one point another Perhaps Israel felt that the jig
was up and that they were about to be exposed,
perhaps and that they needed to kind of pooper get
off the pot, because they would have lost all of
(15:02):
the investment in this operation if if it had been
discovered and they you know, just tossed all of the phones.
I do have a question for you, Ben around t
bones point about detecting a reduction in cell phone traffic.
Do you have a sense of what that means or
like how that might be a metric they would use
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in order to you know, kind of like align their timing.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, and it's a great point, t Bone, thank you
so much for writing in Conspiracy adiheartradio dot com if
you ever want to drop us a line here. This
is completely plausible because you we know that a nation
state with this level of intelligence would be able to
monitor phones I think pretty easily as well without having
(15:50):
you know, obviously we're not in the meetings about monitoring
the phones, but as as a metric, combined with later
public statements from his below, that we know that they
were directing associates of the organization to avoid using those
cell phones, even if they were, you know, their purposely
(16:10):
their purpose made hesblah only cell phones, so you could
see a measurable dip in there, and that might be
a metric. As you said, NOLA indicates the right time
to strike. I think we're all it just seems more
plausible that there was a There was definitely premeditation and waiting,
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There was definitely maybe a jig is up. I think
it's more interesting while you're bringing up t Bone the
idea of inserting the explosive apparatus at some point in
the shipping process. You would just have to be really
quick about it, wouldn't you. Wouldn't you have to also
be able to seamlessly insert it such that it doesn't
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look as though the pager has been tampered with.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Exactly you, guys, I don't want a t Bone thing.
Thank you for this. I'm gonna quickly reference another voicemail
that Plebe Fri end of the show Pleb sent in.
Rather than an intercepting and you know, inserting the explosives,
what if it was a swap, Like if you just
imagine boxes of pagers and the intelligence is aware of
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which like pager models they are. They've already prefabricated the
exact same type of pager, just with the explosive in it.
So when the call to have these shipped from the
consultant right or ordered via the consultant, they literally just
switch boxes rather than having to open individual pages.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
That's a cool thought.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Please, it is.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
And I guess, guys, as another of the added details here,
maybe we didn't discuss was that not only are they
distributing pagers but also burner cell phones, and that they're
in control of those as well, and that that's what's
allowing them to monitor the traffic, because that definitely was
in the point here in step two that t boone outline,
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Israel learn of the orders from mass quantities of pagers
and cell phones through the consultant group. During shipment of
the devices, Israel intercepts them and plants the explosives, but
not in cell phones.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
There are no exploding cell phones, only exploding pagers.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You also wouldn't need physical access to those cell phones,
if I'm understanding this correctly, You also wouldn't need physical
access to those cell phones to monitor.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
They're in control, they just don't have to, like I mean,
to your point, then they could monitor maybe if they
didn't know which phones they were, but I guess if
they're going dark and going into kind of like operations mode,
they wouldn't be using the phones as much. They'd be
relying specifically on the pagers, and so that's why they're
looking for the drop in cell phone used. And at
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that point, most likely the people that would be mobilized
using the pagers, would be members of HESBLO.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
And it may even be I mean this is purely
conspiratorial speculation. It may even be the kind of thing
where you drive people to those decisions, right like you
let it be known that the cell phones are compromised,
thus pushing.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
People toward the pagers, Yes.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
And then they pushed toward the walkie talkies, and you've
got them there as well. These are possible, and I
do believe that we will t bone learn more about
the specifics of that operation later on in the future.
We just don't know when. Probably not immediately, but in
a few years. These kind of things usually get the
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story gets told, you.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Know, guys.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Thinking about the story again and kind of trying to
look at it from different angle made me think of
another story or kind of perked my ears up when
I heard a mention of this other story. The FBI
actually basically started their own startup company that offered these
cell phones that were very attractive to criminals because they
offer this kind of like special encryption or whatever, and
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they marketed them, you know, the FBI, to criminals, and
then we're able to use them when they were in
the criminal's hands to execute a massive sting operation. So
this kind of felt like a precedent almost that we
didn't talk about, and I thought that was something that
would be worth mentioning here.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, anom A n O M. That's the that's the
FBI phone, right. I only know about this. There's a
book called Dark One Dark Wire, and it's coming out
as a Netflix series. Actually, that was the news that
brought up in the press recently. I didn't know that,
but I remember the book by guy named Joseph Cox.
It's a great read. But I'm so glad you brought
that up, Noel, because look, these kind of operations don't
(20:35):
go as planned all the time, right, because they're often
at the forefront of technology. If you want to learn
more about anom which which you just mentioned there, Noel,
check out Dark Wire, the incredible true story the largest
sting operation ever. It also reminds me too of the
(20:55):
Long Lines building and our long standing fascination with that.
You probably know about this already, t Bote, but check
out the Long Line story if you haven't heard it before.
It is it is the true story of why there
is a ginormous windowless skyscraper in the heart of Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, it's the place where the intelligence community literally splits
all communications off, so that there is the communications that
occur and then the intelligence apparatus feed of the exact
same copied communications.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, just absolutely, And I think it's still on the
feed somewhere.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Didn't we record a live episode about the Longlines Building
years back?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, you can search that out.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
But I just want to mention too, just in terms
of the precedent of the ANOM story. They the FBI
got twelve thousand units of this product into the hands
of various criminals, from drug traffickers to members of organized
crime and all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So it you know, the novelty of.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
The Israel version of the grift I guess as implanting explosives,
but that could have just easily been done in this situation,
though maybe the net was a little wider, but in
terms of like the types of folks that got it,
and they were mainly appealing to them as a business,
and they were breaching out and buying them directly as
opposed to intercepting them. And you know from a company
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that these individuals were already purchasing them from.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
But I do think it's interesting parallels there.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, because you know, if you look at the ADOM
operation from the FBI's perspective, like we said, after there
after people who are engaged in things like drug trafficking, right,
which is not a capital punishment offense in the United States.
So blowing up the cell phone and killing them is,
(22:47):
you know, circumvents the way rule of law is supposed
to work in this country. But I think you're absolutely right.
You're astute there that this is another precedent I was
focusing I guess with I think thank you for me
it's the explosive.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
As Yeah, that's the new twist on this.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Well, thank you Tibo and really quickly, guys, I know
I'm running a little out of time, but I just
thought this was worth reading. Got another one here coming
from Restricted Free Agent. He asks us to use this
moniker because of what he's talking about. He knows this
organization could potentially come after him for what he's about
to tell us. I love the show, says Restricted Free Agent.
(23:27):
I've been catching up, so I'm sorry if you've already
covered this. We have it about ten months back and
listen to you guys or stuff you should know every
day on the route to keep my sanity. I'm a
letter carrier and have been for a little over a decade,
and we're divided into city carriers and rural carriers, which
is just a dumb fact for you. As a city carrier.
We've been without a contract for almost a year and
a half. They spent all of COVID telling us how
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important we were. We watched ups get a huge pay
raise as a reward for how they dealt with COVID.
But our union and the Post Office have been yanking
our chain while telling us how important we are to
democracy for this election. It's pretty insulting, and even more
so because we aren't allowed to strike due to federal law.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It's called the Lloyd la Falette Act.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
This was new to I think Ben, you and me,
and I'm sure Matt that you might not be fully
aware of this either, the Lloyd la Fallette Act. The
last time the letter carriers did strike, the National Guard
was called in and failed miserably to do our jobs. Again,
the National Guard called in to replace the Yes, the scats.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
The Post office is filled with bloat and corruption, but
the people delivering your mail don't have a contract and
are the only ones out in the elements and will
be blamed after this election no matter.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
What we do by whoever loses.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Also, politicians pay almost nothing for all that junk election
mail you throw away every day. I sure do sometimes
keep some of the really absurd ones as little historical keepsakes.
We have carriers who are on government assistance, and I've
never once heard about our lack of contract on the
news because it's the definition.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Of stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Oh beautiful, well done, restrictive free agent. And we definitely
want to get that out into the world because, as
he said, Noel, if you were startle to realize that
there's not a legal ability to strike, it just it
doesn't make sense because we associate unions so inextricably with
(25:30):
that kind of exercise of worker power. And actually reached
out to a buddy of ours who is a postal
service worker in Colorado and wanted to talk to my
local mail carrier about this. But he's busy, you know,
because when I see him is a work So I'm
(25:51):
going to try to catch him.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'm going to try to.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Catch him when he goes by our local diner in
the neighborhood here, but hopefully we can and gets more
firsthand evidence. But yeah, thank you so much. Restrictive free agent,
that is, it just doesn't like I understand it. I understand,
you know, the idea that the mail must always continue,
but it feels like you could make a strong argument
(26:17):
that need has been weaponized against the actual carriers.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yeah, and we know that the US Post Service has
been in a pretty tough spot in recent history, under
attack one hundred percent, and it just doesn't seem like
this level of harsh kind of treatment would be conducive
to retaining high quality employees.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Or a sustainable we're going to say, I mean, it's
it almost if it feels like we can not not
associate it with the the move to cripple and gut
the USPS, which has been going on for decades, you know,
and further privatizing the mail, you know, through ups. Oh,
that's very similar to PGL and PGA three ups and
(27:01):
through FedEx and stuff like that. And we've got a
lot of people working for those private organizations and they
have their own stuff they don't want you to know
as well. And I'm sure you know that too. Restrictive
free agent. But this is I agree, this is something
people need to be talking about more often. Not to
be too Joni Mitchell about it, but the US Postal
Service is something you might not miss till its gone,
(27:22):
you know what I mean. And there are people who
want to cut those public services that you pay for
as a as a person in the United States.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, I'm just guys, just as a person who experiences mail,
the ye old snail mail. It is one of those
things that feels like eventually we're probably gonna move away from.
And I don't know, simply because unless you're unless you're
in a specific job or of a specific standing where
(27:55):
you're constantly sending correspondence back and forth or you know,
legal document or things like that, there's no reason for it.
And generally you would use like a secured FedEx shipment
or something for a legal document. So it is crazy
to think about. And that's nothing against you, restricted free agent,
or anybody who's working in that field. It just feels
(28:16):
like something that humans are moving away from.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Well, and I can't imagine that restricted free agent is
going to put up with this kind of crap for
much longer before they start to look elsewhere. Whether it
be fed x ups or some other private organization for employment.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I think that's it for me. Guys, thanks to t
Bone and Restricted Free Agent for your messages.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Let's take a word from our sponsor and come back
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Speaker 4 (28:47):
And we have returned. This is the final act of
our weekly listener mail segment. We are going to hear
let's say, we'll keep it really brief because there are
two things want to get to. We're going to save
the Hurricane Helene and Milton conspiracy theories for a future episode.
It's our update on natural disasters, so stay tuned for that.
(29:10):
In the meantime, we had a lot of people writing
in about the hybrid sheep story that we talked about
briefly on our Strange News segment. And you guys remember
this story. This is about Arthur Schubarth Jack to his
friends who illegally bred and sold these gigantic sheep hybrid
(29:31):
sheep clones to big Game preserves. He recently got sentenced
to six months in prison and twenty four grand USD
and fines. So Jasper and many other folks wrote in
about this. Hello, folks, says Jasper. There are two main
dangers that were probably considered in the indictment of the
guy cloning sheep. One these sheep were hybrids. He used
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tissue from a large wild sheep called the Marco Polo sheep,
and artificially inseminated female clones using collected from the testicles
of a hunted bighorn sheep. If the resultant hybrids went
on to breed with wild bighorn sheeps, whether by escaping
their pins or big horn sheep passed through their pastures,
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that could mess up the genetic integrity of the species
and introduce traits that might reduce the ability of bighorn
sheep to survive in the rocky mountains. So no pause there,
because that's a pretty interesting argument, right, the creation of
an invasive species or the eradication of a species because
of invasive genetic traits.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Wow, invasive genetics, that's a concept.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
That's a dangerous one.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Agreed.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
And the next point, which we were not aware of,
Jasper tells us bighorn sheep are very susceptible to infections
that don't cause serious diseases in other sheep. A major example,
and thank you for the pronunciation note here, Jasper is
Mycoplasma ovia nomine ovia mine.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Domino patri a blessing from a priest.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
So in domestic sheep, this causes mild or asymptomatic illness,
but it will absolutely obliterate the big horn sheep in
an area if it's introduced. And Jasper is telling you
us this because Jasper is friends with some colleagues that
research this specific infection in domestic sheep. So there are
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these incredibly robust, rigid regulations about what species of sheep
or goat can be imported and from where, and how
they can be kept to minimize the potential of cross
contact with big horn sheep. This is not a hypothetical risk. Jasper,
you linked us to a great source from the Justice
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Department of the United States themselves, And I think when
stuff gets to the DOJ, it means it's pretty serious.
Because it reminds me we talked a little bit about this.
It reminds me of the restraints that UH Hawaii has
on the importation of food or animals right or especially fruits,
and imagine invasive species that seem fun at first, like
(32:12):
probably hamsters. They probably can't bring hamsters into Hawaii. They'll
just overrun the place because they want be a hamster.
Why moving? So we had another We had another person
follow up with a more i would say character centric
opinion on this guy. Arthur Shoebarth agent Alkaline says recently
(32:37):
in our local news, this story has been blowing up.
This guy, Arthur's shoe Barth also owns a sketchy local
pet store in Great Falls, Montana. They kept all the animals,
including puppies and kittens in aquariums and at one point monkeys,
but that was before I lived there. How it stays
(32:57):
open is anybody's guests. It's no prize. They showed absolutely
no regard for endangered animals or animals at all. Thanks
guys a huge fan. Keep it real.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
There's a lot more to sheep law that I ever
considered it. The specialty of the loss like bird law.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess the invasive species aspect
of it didn't really occur to me right up front,
but it makes sense when you do have an economy
that's like so dependent on that particular type of animal.
And I did not realize that there were certain species
that were more susceptible to these types of diseases that
could result from this sort of you know, breeding.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
And we know what a lot of us in the
audience are thinking. Can I still use sheep law as
part of my cover identity on an operation? The answer
is probably not, because it turns out there are real
sheep laws and you have to know what they are
if you're going to plausibly impersonate a sheep attorney a
big horn lawyer.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah, there's a word for somewhere.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, dude, guys. I found a Facebook page titled closed
down Jack's Pet Center in Great Falls, Montana, and it
has a bunch of information and photos of this guy's
weird pet story that Alkaline mentioned.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Hmm, that's I mean, it sounds like it's been a
controversy for a while. Also, Alkaline didn't read this particular
phrase you used, but you said hand monkeys were also
kept in aquariums. I didn't know that hand monkeys are
a thing. We found finger monkeys, the smallest pet monkey
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you can own. They're pigmy marmosets. They're just like six
inches big, not counting the tail, So maybe that's what
you're talking about it. They've got these big magua vibes.
They look like Pokemon. I kind of want to hang
out with one dude. Or if we're the CIA, well
let's figure out how we can use them to spy.
(35:00):
M hm, we have one more here. We'll get to
letters from home next week. But we have won from
some anonymous sources. Folks on Instagram as well. Hit us
to this crazy story. I don't know if you guys
have heard about this, but not too too long ago,
mystery drones swarmed a US military base for seventeen days,
(35:24):
and as of last week, the Pentagon still officially doesn't
know what's happening. This was over Langley Air Force Bace
on Virginia's shoreline like Okay, for several nights. Military personnel
in this place that is home to a bunch of
the US's most advanced fighter jets, including Deaf twenty two's.
(35:46):
They had said, somebody is breaching our airspace. We like,
this is airspace over Langley. This is one of the
most tightly controlled airspaces in the country, and about forty
five five minutes to an hour after sunset, a bunch
of drones would arrive in the sky. They were roughly
(36:06):
twenty feet long, fly at more than one hundred miles
an hour at an altitude of three to four thousand feet,
and then other drones would come in one by one.
Want a shout out to Gordon Luebold, Lari Siligman, and
Aruna Viswanatha over at MSN for this article. You can
find it there easily. The drones had a predictable path.
(36:28):
They headed south across Chesapeake toward Norfolk. This means they
went over the area that is the home base of
Seal Team six and the world's largest naval port, Naval
station Norfolk. Nobody knew who the drones were coming from.
Was it possibly another agency, another department and they just
had you know, crossed wires of paperwork. Was it possible
(36:52):
that they were a test from rival powers? I mean, look,
a little quad copter you could buy off TIMU or
Amazon and is not going to be one hundred miles
an hour capable, and it's not going to be twenty
feet long, right unless I'm looking at the wrong drones.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I don't think you are. Nope, No, okay, I.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Was hoping you guys were going to tell me, No,
you can totally get like five of those and you
get a price break. Yet this so this story is
still developing. We haven't found an answer yet, but we
know we know that there appears to be abnormal or
unusual drone activity over US government sites in This occurred
(37:36):
in December of twenty twenty three, so just when you know,
we just learned about it and it happened a while back.
But two months before that, in October of twenty twenty three,
five drones flew over a nuclear weapon experiment site in
the US and they never got caught. This was in Vegas,
(37:58):
and they don't know who operated the drones in Nevada,
they don't know why they were there, what they were
attempting to do. And a spokesperson for the facility, which
is run by the Energy Department, said they've upgraded their
system now to detect and counter drones, which means, you know,
cough cough, shoot them down or disable them. I'm wondering
(38:22):
how they do it too, because you guys remember the
uh oh gosh, you guys remember the training programs where
people were teaching predatory birds to attack drones.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
No, that sounds terrifying, though, Are these like falconers?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Like, yeah, it's they're red tailed hawks. And I think
you are correct now, I think there are falconers involved.
The story came out like, oh my gosh, get this.
Twenty fourteen was ten years ago, guys, The story came
out ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Wow. Old.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
So I'm sure that program continues apace. But this is
also telling us something big is a foot or in
the sky, because.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Did you just say bigfoot in the sky?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
A foot in the sky. It couldn't be a bigot
in the sky.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It's a it's a bigfoot swing as far as puns go.
But it reminds me too of the Chinese spy balloon
that floated across the country while we were recording.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
How could we forget the Chinese spy balloon?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Right, Yes, we'll always have the Chinese spy balloon. And
so these drones, over the course of more than two weeks,
flying off, circling back. I'm wondering why they couldn't track them,
Like why they couldn't find where they were landing, because
they had to be landing somewhere nearby, right, they couldn't
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be just flying over the Atlantic every night shortly after us.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
No, they'd have to have some sort of pit stop location.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
So do you guys have any guesses? Before we wrapped today.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Bro, your guess is as good as mine.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I guess these are all horrible, and the doctor SUSI
and level. My guess is maybe someone is like the
best possible scenario is that someone is doing internal testing
what we would call pen testing, right, penetration testing, the
drone equivalent of white hat hacking. Then, I don't know,
(40:27):
it's equally interesting to see how they were figuring out
how they might try to catch these One guy said, hey,
why don't we get the US Coast Guard to shoot
nets at them. I'm sure somebody brought up the falcon thing,
and then someone else said what if we use directed energy?
And then someone in the FAA also probably responded on
the email or in the meeting and said, yeah, the
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problem with directed energy is that you know, you might
miss and hit an aircraft.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, with people on it.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
All right, a counter drone program. And these drones have
tethered electro magnets attached to them, so they fly close
to the other drones and then they zap them with
the electromagnet and then bring the drones back.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Hmm, there we go. I like that. I like the
use of the magnets. I also, you know, if we're
talking about government largesse. Why don't we just build a
duplicate of all this stuff over there in Norfolk Rangley, Right,
and then now we just have two. I feel like
I pay a lot of taxes. I feel like we
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could do that, So do just.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
You know, guys, I'll always think it. We really need
a second pentagon just in case the first one gets compromised.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yes, yes, we'll call the first one pentagony Pentagon one.
It works in print, never mind, but yeah, we'll have
We'll have P and two P or not two P,
that's the question. Yeah. So a there is an explanation
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spinning this story out a little bit, and please check
out the articles because it's a fantastic explanation. After everybody
was trying to figure out what happened, there was a
rainy morning on January sixth, a guy named Fegion She
has parked a rented Tesla near Newport News, Virginia, eleven
miles from Langley, and he is a student at the
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University of Minnesota, and he was trying to fly a drone.
He told people in the area that his drone got
stuck in a tree and he tried to free it
using his controller when a neighbor called the police. The
police show up and they say, hey, man, this is
terrible weather to fly a drone. And this is like
(42:49):
the black mirror version of a cat stuck in a tree.
So they tell him to call the fire department and
they'll help him out. Instead, she returns his car, his tesla.
He takes an Amtrak to DC and then he flies
to California. So this is, by the way, the behavior
of someone who's been made and not a UFM student.
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And so the drone falls to the ground. The Feds
get it, and they find that the drone has photographs
navy vessels and dry dock shots taken around midnight, and
some shots were of vessels that were being constructed in
the shipyard. They arrest him on January eighteenth, just a
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few days later, as he is about to hop a
flight to China on a one way ticket, and he said, look, no,
I'm not you know, I'm not doing anything crazy. I
just like chips, you guys, I didn't know it was
restricted airspace.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I love boats are cool, you know, dude, Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And I was just heading back, you know, I was
just doing my thing here, doing my little hobby and
I'm just going.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
To head home.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
And so spoiler, they don't buy his story. They say
that he is guilty of unlawfully and knowingly taking photos
of classified naval installations. And this is the first case
of a drone that came up under USS bionage law.
He said he had been on vacation, he flew drones
(44:21):
of Mill Night for fun, his h The judge ends
up saying some the six months in prison and she's
attorney against the award for the For the best quote
in the case, Chao Mingcheng says, if he was a
foreign agent, he would be the worst spy ever known,
like worse than James Bond. And that's where we're going
(44:44):
to end the story. You can learn more, but I like,
let's end on this question. Guys, there was more than
one drone. What happened to the other? You know, college students.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Don't don't dum lifting dude.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
They investigated a haunted house together and then it's.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
Sorry it was old man Willickers from the Haunted amusement
park called.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah, they've trained the falcons to attack the people controlling
the drones now too, death by falcon, Big big things
that Jasper DJ big, big things to ancient alkaline maxium,
blind t bone, restricted agent, everybody who wrote in.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
Guys really quickly, as we wrap up, have you heard
the theory that these Tesla robots are actually just being
controlled remote controlled by somebody?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
And have you heard that the guy who did the
design for what film.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
I Robot, I Robote Alex Proyees, who also directed The
Crow and Dark City the design Furst City. I love
Dark City and I love the original Crow, but the
both the vehicles and the robots themselves appear to have
been completely lifted from that film.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, dude, Yeah, very much so.
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