March 21, 2024 • 42 mins
HeyLee shares the disturbing history of a cult called the Two by Twos. A-Frame reveals first-hand experience with firearms and cartels. Big Shucks returns with a story about credit card skimming. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
They called me Ben.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code
named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You
are here that makes this the stuff they don't want
you to know. It is time for our weekly listener
mail program, where we get to hear from the best
part of the show, you and your fellow conspiracy realist.
We are going to We're gonna hear from our friend
(00:51):
Big Shucks, who appears to have accepted the nickname that
we pitched. We're going to get an update on some
very strange culty news. But before we do any of that,
we got a cavalcade of voicemails, right because there are
some interesting tips that came our way.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We've been getting so many incredible messages thanks to everybody
who's been calling in. Let's jump to a message from Sydney,
who has an interesting idea about a weeding technique I'd
never heard of.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Hey, it's been a long time. This is Sydney. I
just listened to your episode about the Mexican cartel. I
think it was a strange news. You know, guys were
talking about roundup, and I mean, I live in Iowa,
so round up is literally everywhere around a pretty corn.
We talk about it all the time. So many people
defend it. My dad even defends it, and I'm like, Dad,
(01:40):
I really don't want you to do you cancer and die. Anyways,
you were talking about having to pull your weed's hand
by hand. If you mix up Don Dishop in some water,
it can also kill weeds in your garden or in
your flowerbed. So that's a I guess. I don't know
if Don Dishov is txting. I don't think it is,
but that is a different it's an alternative for you.
(02:04):
So yeah, there you go. Love you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Wow, Oh thanks so much. Sidney googling Don dish Soap
tucks yes, Exac well, and and you says a weed killer, right,
I've never heard of that. My gosh. If I can
go buy one thing at Don dish Soap, a bucket
and a means of spraying, then I'm into it, and
I will do that rather than spray and all the
chemicals they end up buying to get rid of these weeds.
(02:30):
Super cool. I had never heard of that before. You
may have mentioned Sidney say like hey again, like very
much high again. Sidney has called in to us before.
She told us a story about losing I believe it
was her purse or her handbag on a form of
mass transit, and just that what that entailed and what
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that was like. And we talked to her before about that.
This concept of living in Iowa, which Sidney describes as
the cancer capital of the world. And again she's at
attributing that and a lot of other people attribute that
to the large use of herbicides and pesticides that just
hang out on the lands all throughout the farmland out
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there in Iowa. That freaked me out just thinking about that,
living in that environment and then finding an alternative like
this that appears to be non toxic, at least to
everything I've seen on it.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
I did result of said Google was yes, done so
does contain toxic ingredients oh something to the effect of
a condition called acute aquatic toxicity. It does appear though
that's certainly of a lesser order than roundup.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So sheeez. Well, I mean it is allegedly killing plants,
so that's probably not good or great. My big question
was will it also kill your grass? And Sydney's response
was a was, well, grass grows back. I'm not worried
about that, So there you go.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Maybe no use it on your vegetable garden.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
There you go, good call.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
All right.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Next, we've got a message from trash Panda with an
intro take on those loyalty programs.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
All right, here we go, Hello STDWYTK crew. In some circles,
I'm known as trash Panda. Recently, on an episode, you
guys talked about grocery stores and meeting phone numbers in
order to access deals. If you don't want to give
your own phone number, I suggest you think about Jenny.
I have used eight six, seven, five three oh nine
(04:24):
at multiple different grocery stores over the years, and there
is always an account, doesn't matter the area code. My
local Ralphs, which I believe is Krager's on the East Coast,
is actually transitioning to an app, so this trick does
have a shelf life. Thank you for all the content,
and y'all totally have my permission to use my voice
(04:44):
and message if you see fit. Thanks a bunch, bye.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Take you. Trash Panda all.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Right, Kroger and Ralphs are the same thing.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Kroger is in the midst of a huge I know,
globd overlord move.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
This sounds to me like the way they call Carl's
Junior Harty's in our neck of the woods, and that
at Carls Junior you know in the West.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Have to google that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think it's Chris Kroger and Albertson's are the It's
the big thing going on right now.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, for now, and then we'll see what happens next year,
next quarter. But yeah, I just want to take a
second and trash Panda. First off, I want to say
thank you so much for your awesome name. And I
think we may have corresponded in the past, but this
is a brilliant idea. I am all about discordiism and
light fun anarchy. So let's wreck the.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
System anarchy in the USA. Another great song. So this
one guy's got stuck in my head ever since we
got this message. That old Oh what's the name of
that group? Is two Tone Tommy two Tone No what's
the what's the band that did eight six seven, five
three oh nine?
Speaker 8 (05:50):
Got it? Got it?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I got your number on the wall?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Okay, you're right. Yeah, well I never knew the name
in my head. I talked to trash Bandit for a
little bit. She said she heard a rumor that that
was actually a number that was on a bathroom wall
that one of the bandmates saw. Noel, I just want
to see if you had any music trivia with it.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Well, I know that it's such a it's such an
earworm that I don't think the number exits like they
purposefully don't allow people to have that number because it
would get called you know, yea nauseam.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I can confirm that at least the way I have
this is just me. But the way I had heard
this rumor it did seem to have a lot of validity.
I think there's an interview with its oh nice members
of the band.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But again, that's just that's awesome. According to trash BANDA,
that phone number was disconnected no matter who had it
or when after that song came out and was such
a hit any phone, you just can't have that phone
number anymore. But I guess with this system I.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Don't call you.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
They don't cross reference your phone number to give you
a Kroger account.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
No, not usually unless again, unless it starts moving towards
the app thing. That's right, like we're talking about here,
where then you you might have two factor authentication At
some point or whatever. It seems like it will go
out the window. But for now, this is a little
hack that we can all use.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
And y'all, Ralphs is in the Kroger family of stores.
It's like, you know, they you got to have brand
recognition regionally, and for us, I guess it's Kroger on
the West Coast, it's Ralphs.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's in the Big Lebowski for crying out loud.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And the last message we've got for today comes from
a Frame and this message has to do with our
episode of Strange News. We're talking about cartels and moving
high caliber weapons pretty much military weapons.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Hey guys, it's say you frame again, and I want
a way to day to call you. And I didn't
really want to email this. Uh, but when you're talking
about how the cartels and have access to military grade
weaponry and are actively and it's being actively brought into
Mexico and increasing violence they in leading to a lot
(08:01):
of the fear mongeringe happening here around illegal immigration and drugs.
That is not new. I don't do hard drugs anymore.
I just smoke my weeds. Sometimes I'll take some mushrooms.
I don't do anything else. I only really drink occasionally,
and I just like beer, you know, or like a
nice cocktail. I don't really like going too hard. I'm
(08:23):
too old for that. But when I was in high
school in twenty twelve and thirteen, I can tell you
that it was easier for me to get a hand
grenade in a Mac eleven than it was for me
to get alcohol because I had access to cocaine. And
when you have access to cocaine, you do and always
have had access to everything. So everybody you know who
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does coke, if they played it cool enough and ask
the right questions, they could get a hand grenade, They
could get an RPG.
Speaker 9 (08:54):
Maybe their dealer doesn't want them to know the full
extent of who they know because they don't necessarily trust them.
But if you have access to hard drugs like cocaine
and ecstasy, you have access to.
Speaker 8 (09:05):
Any and everything, from guns to people. The black market
is just there and it's not. There's really very little
separation in those organizations in between selling one product and another.
And Operation Past and Furious. You guys certainly know about that.
That was name dropped by my homeboy who had those
(09:25):
hand grenades. He was like, you ever heard of Operation
Past and Furious? And I was like, yeah, isn't that
that thing people are mad at Obama about because they
like gave guns to cartels to see where they smuggled
them to see if they could catch them later. And
he's like, yeah, once he hang in it, and that's
how it all started. So it was just it was
very las fair, very casual, just normal to him. It
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wasn't new, it wasn't a conspiracy, It wasn't mind blowing.
He just had access to things from the militaria that
they were bringing over the border so it would be
smuggled and they could track it and try to figure
out where the smuggling roots were. That's it. They've been
doing it since like the eighties. Obama just got in
trouble for it because he got in trouble for the
(10:10):
things that but he didn't start it. It's been going
for a long time. It's gonna go for a while.
That's my personal experience with it makes me very uncomfortable
to think about in the past how easy it was
for me to get that stuff. Have a good day.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Gud Wow, never thought of that perspective. That's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
A frame always comes in with the best stuff, man.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Dude, A frame you guys, if you're listening out there,
you have no idea how often a frame calls in
with stover just like, oh, well, that's amazing, but this
isn't the A frame show a frame. You can't have
amazing things every time, but you do every time. We
have several several of you out there do that where
it's just bangers every time. I don't have any personal
(10:51):
experience with this stuff, guys, but I you know, hearing
that from somebody who has had experience, who's gone through it,
who just this concept of if you have access to
that specific drug I guess cocaine as a dealer, I
guess then potentially you have access to other things. I
don't know. That to me feels like an exaggeration, but
(11:13):
maybe it's not. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Depends on what level of the supply chain you're at. Yeah,
if you're like a lower level dealer. You know, the
person above you is dealing with the big shots or
the top dogs or whatever, you know, who deal with
the manufacturers and or importers. Perhaps I would think they
would at that level have that kind of access, but
(11:36):
I don't know that it would necessarily trickle down all
the way.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Crime is like any other business enterprise, right, Ultimately, for longevity,
one must diversify. You know, it's quite I think it's
quite rare for the typical to Nole's point, the typical
what they would call street level drug dealer to say, sorry,
I only sell okay, I would make money off of you,
(12:03):
but you're looking for the wrong thing. Because way back
when when my ancestors started, you know, snowblow and suns,
we decided we would only sell one thing. The finest
artists in cocaine. Now they're gonna sell you weed. They're
going to sell you whatever can be sold. And then,
just like hotels diversify the avocados, then they are going
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to diversify into other means of income. And there is
a very strong argument that criminalizing this stuff the way
the US does further empowers those criminal endeavors. But you know,
Congress isn't asking us about it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Do you think there will be like, I don't what
bespoke cocaine brands in years. Oh that's so crazy. Yeah,
I can already imagine the Apple like stores that will
pop up across the world.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
The further up the hierarchy you go, right, the more
interesting these criminal products can get. I mean, shout out
to Pablo Escobar for introducing the hippopotamus to his part
of the Americans where they're still around. I mean, he
was at the top. I don't to be clear, I
don't think if we went to our average street level
dealer and said, like, hey, great work on the cocaine.
(13:21):
What are your prices on hippos? Do you have price
breaks if we get like one apiece?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know, well, I guess if you are talking about Okay,
let's just say it's the probability of someone answering yes
to the question, Oh, hello, sir or madam, do you
know where I might acquire a military armament Corporation Model ten,
which is just the MAC ten. If someone could answer
yes to that, you can, I guess in this case,
(13:49):
someone who's in the dealings that are described there by
a frame, it would probably be a higher probability. I
don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
No, you got to think about prohibition as well. Right,
that's a great comparison. So in the days of alcohol
prohibition in the United States, organized crime was also making
money running guns. It's just another income stream and typically
as a rule, organized crime is not going to be
(14:17):
too discriminating against it, like we romanticize the mob where
they say, oh, we're not doing drugs, we just do
gambling and racketeering or whatever. But more and more often
they diversify, so it makes sense that you would be
able to connect the drugs and the.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Firearms, devisify, diversify your vice. Well, thank you to everybody
who again called in and everybody we just listened to.
There we'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
And we have returned with another piece of listener maw
amissive from you.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yes, you.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
In this case, we have a message, as Ben pointed
out at the top of the show, from Big Shucks.
Really appreciate you adopting the nickname. I'm just gonna jump
right into it. This is about being robbed in a
more tech ye kind of way. Let's jump right in. Hello,
my fellow handsome travelers. That is very kind. In the
(15:22):
most recent podcast episode, I heard you may be doing
an episode related to credit cards, so I would like
to share some interesting info about them, if you haven't
already heard. I was at a bar when I first
heard about these long range skimmers. I started chatting with
the guy next to me, and he told me a
story about how his company credit card had been skimmed,
but not the normal way. He hadn't even used his
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card on any device in the taxi, he used an
app to pay for the ride. The only way they
found the guy is because his company called him about
twenty to thirty minutes after the taxi ride to downtown
Seattle and they asked him about a purchase of very
expensive jewelry.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yikes.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Police were able to get there pretty quick and found
the guy still in the store and arrested him. Apparently,
there is a group within the SEATTLEPD that specifically deals
with these kinds of issues. What you might think of
as a card scammer is a bit different from what
happened in the above story. While normal card skimming is
a big problem, there are other devices that can be
quite a good distance away from your card. If your
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card has RFID capabilities, it can be copied either with
smaller devices similar to the Flipper zero, or by big
devices placed in the trunks of taxis. Now, I'm not
trying to harp on taxi drivers here. These devices can
steal credit card info while just walking around an area
with the scammer placed.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
In a backpack. And yeah, links to a video showing
just that.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Here's a quote from a blog entry on butterflymx dot com.
Long range RFID skimmers don't need to be directly next
to an RFID credential to read its information. Instead, most
skimmers can read from a distance of up to nineteen
inches or fifty centimeters. Here's a kicker, However, users can
boost the power of an RFID S camera with antennas
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or other long range transmission technologies to try to collect
data from further away. Then he linked to an article
from hackaday dot com RFID readers snoops cards from three
feet away.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And here's the thing as well. You can legally buy
these devices online. Just a quick Google search and you
will find them.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
And then linked to literally a place on online where
you can buy something called a UHF RFID small integrated reader.
So I guess it exists under the auspices of kind
of being a card reader, perhaps for mobile use. Yeah,
it's it's it's not that in case, it could be,
(17:45):
but and it's only three thirty four eighty with fifty
seven ninety nine in shipping, so not cheap.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
But hey, I mean, think of think of all the
card numbers you could steal. No, don't, don't do that.
That's gross.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
MythBusters and Act was forced by the big credit card
legal teams to not air an episode re guarding RFIDs
in credit cards, and then linked to an article in
the Register myth Busters Our Idea episode acts after pressure
from credit card firms. I don't know if you guys
have heard about this. I certainly had not. It seems
(18:18):
as though a request for interview with the Texas Instruments
Company is what led to this this episode being shut down.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, I remember hearing about this one.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Do you remember this, yes, quite vividly.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It was a big deal because it was one of,
if not the only, episode that they got shut down about.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Right, because the issue is, first off, it's terrible pr
for credit card companies and for the consumer finance industry
in general. As as you know, Big Chucks, and also
it shows people how on out non cure our stuff is.
(19:02):
You know, just like just like think about when you're
driving on the road and the only thing stopping people
from careening into you is an agreed upon system of
pretending painted lines are barriers. It's a social contract. There
is a social contract that says your credit card accounts
and your tap to pays and your pins are safe.
I got to tell you, Noel and fellow conspiracy realist
(19:25):
Big Shucks, especially tuning in Big Shocks, already knows about this.
But one thing that is very handy for these is
RFID blocking, you know wallet.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
That's what I got to Yeah, and actually that Butterfly
MX kind of Techi blog entry that they linked to
has all kinds of details on how to protect yourself
against this technology, which has existed longer than we might think.
This stuff can be amplified to pick up these these numbers,
(19:59):
this data and store it in the form of a
text document or a text entry. There's a whole system
that can be put together. Like again, you don't buy
the thing and it does the whole job for you. You
got to have a little bit of know how like
there was one description of one that involved using an
r duino kind of little microcomputer thing. So it's like,
you know, you can get away with doing this stuff
and having those uhf RFID small integrated reader because it
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does technically have a legitimate.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Use sure like pin testing.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Right when you pair it with other stuff, it can
be bad news. But again, the amplification part of it too,
that's requires a little bit of know how you know,
to get that kind of like repeater or whatever to
make it like I read. I did read though that
while this stuff is scary and it can be you know,
amplified it, when you amplify it like that, it's not
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as precise. It's sort of just like casting a real
wide net, and it can be interfered with by regular
old electromagnetic interference and radio signals and all kinds of stuff.
So chances are are this isn't how you're gonna get calm.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
How you're gonna get ripped off.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
It's going to be by one of those more traditional
skimmers or some phishing kind of exercise you know that's
trying to steal your digital currency, or again, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Just one of the hacks that's already happened.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
There is your data being leaked by the company that's
purported to have you know, been a good steward of it.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Also there you know, the main skeleton key in these
sorts of shenanigans is always going to be social engineering, right,
leveraging that expectation of safety and privacy, So be careful
with that, you know, there are other things got to
say it, h This is always endlessly fascinating to a
lot of us listening this evening. Yes, you can teach
(21:42):
yourself to do this online, but that I'm sure this
does not apply to any of our fellow listeners. Do
be aware that if you are researching this stuff online
and you somehow get involved with shenanigans, the authorities are
going to pull your search history and they will know.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Well, you know, it's interesting too.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I mentioned this is this idea of like, you know,
requiring some technical know how to kind of jury rig
some of the stuff together. But now that I'm looking
a little deeper into this product that's available on Ali Express,
it already has the antenna. It looks like a router basically,
So again, maybe there's a legitimate use for this, but
I don't know, is an Ali Express kind of like
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ull notorious for being sort of a hub forgetting stuff
you're maybe not supposed to have.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Well, it's all the intention in the application of the technology.
Like again to the point I'm making here, like you
can teach yourself to do this stuff in an afternoon.
Legitimate testing For anybody who's wondering what pen testing is.
Pen testing is a portmanteau for penetration testing. So you
can help a company or a client evaluate how secure
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their electronic systems are.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Or your own network, you know, I mean if you
want it to right, if you've got some people have
RFID fobs that gain you act says, to your home,
to your property, to private areas, you know, perhaps safes,
so maybe you would be doing this to pintest your
own facilities.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, yep, completely valid.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And buddy of mine is he has been for a
long time in security, like network security for large enterprise companies,
and he does that with his home system. He routinely
tries to figure out if I wanted to, how could
I get in, And then he's he's constantly plugging holes
and and he knows what he's doing. So it's like
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it's it's basically there's there's a never ending series of
issues that come up when when hardware meets software right,
and I think this is going to be a just
an exciting, little ongoing battle that we're going to be
having for the rest of our human lives.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
One of the recommendations too, on the Butterflymax article, this
seemed to be sort of geared towards like rental property
owners or maybe even landlords of like apartment complexes or
you know, maybe developers. Was as kind of like sort
of like is this better or worse? Moving more towards
smartphone based access, like we have to our office. There's
an app, but it does require two factor authentication and
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you do have to get this key provided to you
that will expire, and it isn't I guess it is
our FID triggered. But there are layers that even give
you access and it requires you know, password at tree,
using like single signing kind of stuff for your whole company.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So again, surely there's a way to backdoor that as well.
But interesting stuff. It's also what I didn't realize and
looking into this, is that this.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Stuff has been around a lot longer than one might think,
especially for being something that maybe some of us hadn't
been hipped to yet.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It's an old war again yet. I'll tell you one
of my favorite the Guiver just for funzies project, there
is one way to absolutely prevent skimming at a at
a long range or from several feet away, and it's
it's like a nuclear option. Just you could just build
an EMP like a one use electromatic electromagnetic pulse device
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and you can fit these inside of an altoy ten.
Like you can build these. They're going to completely screw
up everything else as well, so you know you're not
gonna have your phone's not gonna work either.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Like when mc guiver hacked that like traffic light box
to create a diversion and causes like a multi car
pile up.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I always wanted to be a little bit chaotic, you know,
not evil.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I don't know, I forget the archetypes, but to your point,
been there in terms of other maybe hacky type ways.
If you don't want to get one of those walls,
you can just wrap your cards in tinfoil, which goes
back to the whole tinfoil hat thing about guarding your
brain against penetration from whatever, you know, infiltration by aliens
or whatever it might be. But apparently you know, it
(25:52):
is a pretty decent shield, but not very convenient and
maybe a little.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Embarrassing you ripping your card out of the store.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Not nearly as esthetic as that cool wality you guys
pulled out.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Oh man, I don't know, Like, here's the thing too.
And this is why I'm so glad you're bringing this up.
Big shucks. In coming years, not having security literacy is
going to be like being a literate is today, right,
if you have any younglings, if you have any kids
(26:22):
you're raising. It's especially in a time where the erosion
of privacy is being so aggressively normalized by the powers
that be, it's important to know that you have to
be the author of your own privacy, right. You have
to be the author of your own security to an
astonishing degree, especially in this look. It just it sounds
(26:42):
weird because for people who are not like Matt's friend,
a security expert, you don't really think of a lot
of this stuff because it's invisible until you see it
through a ux on a screen, you know what I mean,
And that that assumption is easily easily leverage. This is
making me even more paranoid. Maybe it's because the coffee's
(27:03):
kicking into but no, what advice would you give to
people who are hearing about this for maybe the first
time and thinking, crap, what do I do? Should they
go get a wallet? Should they get the tinfoil's get
the sick wallet?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Those things look bad ass. I want to get one
now too, And they really are kind of becoming the norm.
They are these kind of stretchy sort of cardholder things
where it's got lots of cool you know, little pockets
and niches. But this technology is built in. Yours is
a little different, Matt, Matt, it looks more like a
regular wallet. Well, yours isn't as cool looking as Ben's.
I'm sorry, Matt, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I'm just saying, if you want to go onto the radar,
you just get one of niche should go.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, you don't want you don't want one that looks cool.
The reason this one is the way it is is
because very few people see it.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Oh, fair enough, I'm just saying I have seen those
types before, Ben, I have toyed with getting one, and
I just didn't pull the trigger. But now, after hearing this,
because again I knew about skimmers. I knew about a
lot of this stuff. I know about the long range stuff.
But again, not to give you a sense of false complacency.
There is a whole section on this article and a
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couple that I've seen where it's not an exact science.
They can't target you and shoot a laser at you.
It's sort of casting a wide net, and chances are
if you're outside and you're walking around and someone's not
coming right up on you and you know, bumping into you,
it's gonna be a little bit hard for them to
do it, even with those repeaters.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
If someone is executing something above a certain level of
precision like that means they have thought about this, or
they're aiming for you specifically, then you have other problems.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
That's for damn sure, you got a stalker on your hands.
They're gonna take you for all your worth.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, that sounds exciting.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Be anonymous, Oh Matt, you's SICKO. No, man, it's true.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
I mean, you know a lot of people say, oh,
be careful an ex country, you're gonna get robbed or
you're likely to get mugged. I have found that the
best solution to that is just to blend in. Don't
make a scene, don't make a big show of yourself,
look like you belong there. Maybe that's easier said than done,
but I think all three of us, when traveling roughly
(29:09):
know how to do that. And knock on wood, I've
never been victimized in this way, and I hope never
to be. But just don't don't make yourself a target,
that's all. It's not to say like they were asking
for it, nothing like that. Just you know, it's smart
to be able to kind of blend in.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That's all. Thank you, big shucks.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Let's take a quick break here worth more sponsor, and
then come back with one more message from you.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
And we have returned with an update for something that
I can't believe we missed earlier. So we'll give you
the part from twenty twenty three, and then we'll follow up.
So a fellow conspiracy realist going by the moniker hey
Lee h e y l Ee writes to us in
(29:59):
October and says the following, thanks for the many laughs
I've had so far. As a new listener, I began
listening to stuff they don't want you to know earlier
this year. I just began listening to companies started by cults.
Two this evening while doing the worst job in the world,
washing dishes, and before long I was laughing again. And
Haley wants us to put in a trigger warning here
(30:21):
for CSA and essay and creepy cult content. So pause
for a second for anybody who has listeners tonight, who this,
who might find this content objectionable. All right, here we go,
So Hailey says, I was born and raised in a
religious cult usually referred to by researchers and other outsiders
(30:43):
as the two by twos. Some of us who escaped
call them bunheads, laugh or cry. Others call them the Friends,
the Way, the Truth, the Gospel, and so forth. In
spite of their best efforts, they did not succeed in
my indoctrination. I got out at age fifteen, and I
am still an atheist. I was abused in nearly all
(31:03):
the ways by parents and their version of the clergy. Recently,
there has finally been some exposure in more mainstream press
of the CSA and essay so rampant for such a
small population round or less than seventy five thousand worldwide.
There have been many excellent articles, books, and websites at
(31:24):
all for at least thirty years, produced mostly by former members. However,
the cult still maintained invisibility to the general public overall.
And I want to pause here because check me on this, guys,
keep me honest. I don't think we've talked about the
two by twos yet it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Does not ring a bellt to me.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
I am looking at this Vice article that you linked
out to Ben, and this is some shadowy, creepy stuff
that is unfamiliar to me.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
The Vice article comes to us courtesy of Haylee by
Ada Merlin. A nameless until their religious sect is being
rocked by a massive sexual abuse scandal. SA stands for
sexual abuse, CSA stands for child sexual abuse. Hailey goes on,
(32:13):
before we get too much into this cult, which I
think will be an episode in the future. Haley goes
on and says, I've noticed you all are very gracious
when talking about cults and religion.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Just heard.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I am not implying Christianity as a cult per se
in this episode I'm listening to right now, for example,
And no one would ever say that Christianity or Catholicism
or a cult. But I assure you, gentlemen, there are
a lot of us who do consider them cults, regardless
of their size or how long they've succeeded in normalizing
(32:44):
their unprovable fantasies. Is a strong language with their cannibalistic
vampire mimicking all the silly hats and sashes and dresses,
and we say that out loud to anyone who can hear.
A quick, legitimate way to assess whether or not a
cult is a cult is to apply doctor Stephen Hassan's
(33:04):
bite model. And this is just to catch people up.
The byte model is something we talked about a little
bit earlier, but.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It's a mnemonic.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
It stands for behavior, information, thought, and emotion and how
those things are controlled. And I think we're familiar with this,
not just in stuff they want you to know, but
in some of our other endeavors.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, and especially some of the serial killer things, the
at least that I've looked at in the past. These
killers have often attempted to control those very things over
their victims, like when they've got them captive prior to
killing them.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, and check out our video on how to start
a cult. So it's pretty old now, but it's still
unfortunately holds up because the rules for these things don't
really change. Unfortunately. You can find more about the byte model,
which is quite a quite a good room brick to
look at over on Freedom of Mind dot com and
(34:03):
thank you again to Haley for the link. Haley also
has some other links that they've sent to us Daily
dot dot com, Daily dot dot com Advocates for the
Truth dot com. These are both great resources if you
or a loved one have been have found yourself involved
(34:24):
with something like the two by twos, or indeed any
organization with cltic leanings. Here's the thing. We received a
follow up correspondence from you, Hailey, and you added the following.
Quite recently, the FBI has begun investigating and recently sent
out a news alert on two x two specifically asking
(34:47):
for victims and witnesses to report what they know. So
Haley has asked us on behalf of all the victims
of this organization to spread the word. FBI dot gov
has the word out. You can read more as Hayley says,
on the BBC and the CBC, which you know we're
(35:08):
big fans of the CBC. Obviously, I would recommend reading
a piece by George Wright over on BBC, the FBI
launches probe into a church and then reading on CBC
historical sexual abuse charges filed against BC minister British Columbia
minister belonging to a church with no name by Karen Larsen.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
So these's a really interesting organization.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Yeah, dates back to the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, and just the idea that there's no churches really
and there's no written doctrine, right, so when someone goes
up and preaches, it's just word of it's oral preaching. Right.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
It's also incredibly malleable as a.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Result, exactly, oh man, in the schism. I'm just looking
at here at some of the schisms over time. This
is a deep dive for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I think this is an episode because Haley, as you said,
we do need to spread the word about these kinds
of organizations, because organizations that thrive in the shadows or
work best without transparency or public knowledge, they lose power
when there is transparency, They lose power when there is accountability.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
This story is as you said, Matt, it's just absolutely wild.
It reminds me a little bit of the finders or
the garbage eaters, remember those, right, And they kind of
had that same amorphous quality they describe themselves as just
maybe like the movement or the Brethren, things like that.
(36:48):
It's strange, though, how large these things can grow without
much public knowledge about it, Like how do you think
people find out about these things? Is it just you know,
do they target people who are at a low point
in their life? Do they just encourage the current members
to reproduce? That sounds like what happened to you, Haley,
(37:10):
because you say half my kid or western North Carolina
Blue Ridge Mountain folks and born and raised in this cult.
So maybe maybe that's part of it. Like how do
you indoctrinate you know, outsiders?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I don't know. I mean it sounds like it's a
roving thing to where you would just go house to
house and have a conversation the way some other religious
movements do. A group of them showed up in my
house earlier today. Actually not this group, but a different.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Christ of Latter day Saints or different several there's several
there are.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
You're right, now, you're right.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
But you know, shout out to the musical, the Book
of Mormon.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That was all part of their you know, initiation. I
guess more or less is going door to door like that. Yeah,
I do want to give.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Like we talked about the Church of LDS in past
Strange News listener mail or episodes, but to be very clear,
they are different from the two by twos very much.
So I'm bringing up the Book of Mormon because the
most amazing thing to me about that was when I
saw it in the playbill. The actual Church of Jesus
(38:19):
Christ of Latter day Saints had advertisements in here. They
helped fund the play, and they've got this beautiful ad
where they say you've seen the play, now read the book.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
And I was like, oh, that's funny, well done. That's
good marketing, man.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
That's good marketing. But hopefully raising awareness of the two
by twos in the future will help bring some bring
some much needed justice, bring some closure to these folks.
And again, you know, like you can tell folks, we
have a lot of research to do to dive into
(38:53):
this one. And with that in mind, I suggest maybe
we we end with one brief letter from Home and
then we get back on the case.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
What do you guys think it? Okay?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
With that vote of confidence, here is one letter from Home,
courtesy of Carrie Letters from Home it's just similar to
some of the voicemails we get. It's just quick tips
or nice things. How you doing, how you folks, that
kind of stuff. So Carrie says, Hya and I lived
in Vietnam a number of years ago and Nesley was everywhere.
(39:27):
Their campaign was to convince new mums not to breastfeed,
but to buy their formula, which was available in small
shops owned by poor locals locked up in captains with
the promise of money. It was absolutely disgraceful. Keep focusing
on these stories, it matters. And I think that's because
we recently had a classic episode about Nessley published.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
And I remember that.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Thank you, Carrie, Thank you to everybody for tuning in.
Thank you to Sydney trash pandat a frame, thank you
to Big Chucks. Makes my day that we were able
to give someone a nickname, you know, pretty sweet. Yeah,
and thank you of course to Hayley. We are on
the case. We will be returning very soon with more
(40:12):
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want you to know. Most importantly, before we go, folks,
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(40:33):
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(41:12):
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Before we get to the email, we'd like to thank Ian.
The Phoenician in particular wrote a wrote a very kind
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
They called me Ben.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code
named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You
are here that makes this the stuff they don't want
you to know. It is time for our weekly listener
mail program, where we get to hear from the best
part of the show, you and your fellow conspiracy realist.
We are going to We're gonna hear from our friend
(00:51):
Big Shucks, who appears to have accepted the nickname that
we pitched. We're going to get an update on some
very strange culty news. But before we do any of that,
we got a cavalcade of voicemails, right because there are
some interesting tips that came our way.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We've been getting so many incredible messages thanks to everybody
who's been calling in. Let's jump to a message from Sydney,
who has an interesting idea about a weeding technique I'd
never heard of.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Hey, it's been a long time. This is Sydney. I
just listened to your episode about the Mexican cartel. I
think it was a strange news. You know, guys were
talking about roundup, and I mean, I live in Iowa,
so round up is literally everywhere around a pretty corn.
We talk about it all the time. So many people
defend it. My dad even defends it, and I'm like, Dad,
(01:40):
I really don't want you to do you cancer and die. Anyways,
you were talking about having to pull your weed's hand
by hand. If you mix up Don Dishop in some water,
it can also kill weeds in your garden or in
your flowerbed. So that's a I guess. I don't know
if Don Dishov is txting. I don't think it is,
but that is a different it's an alternative for you.
(02:04):
So yeah, there you go. Love you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Wow, Oh thanks so much. Sidney googling Don dish Soap
tucks yes, Exac well, and and you says a weed killer, right,
I've never heard of that. My gosh. If I can
go buy one thing at Don dish Soap, a bucket
and a means of spraying, then I'm into it, and
I will do that rather than spray and all the
chemicals they end up buying to get rid of these weeds.
(02:30):
Super cool. I had never heard of that before. You
may have mentioned Sidney say like hey again, like very
much high again. Sidney has called in to us before.
She told us a story about losing I believe it
was her purse or her handbag on a form of
mass transit, and just that what that entailed and what
(02:50):
that was like. And we talked to her before about that.
This concept of living in Iowa, which Sidney describes as
the cancer capital of the world. And again she's at
attributing that and a lot of other people attribute that
to the large use of herbicides and pesticides that just
hang out on the lands all throughout the farmland out
(03:11):
there in Iowa. That freaked me out just thinking about that,
living in that environment and then finding an alternative like
this that appears to be non toxic, at least to
everything I've seen on it.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
I did result of said Google was yes, done so
does contain toxic ingredients oh something to the effect of
a condition called acute aquatic toxicity. It does appear though
that's certainly of a lesser order than roundup.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So sheeez. Well, I mean it is allegedly killing plants,
so that's probably not good or great. My big question
was will it also kill your grass? And Sydney's response
was a was, well, grass grows back. I'm not worried
about that, So there you go.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Maybe no use it on your vegetable garden.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
There you go, good call.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
All right.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Next, we've got a message from trash Panda with an
intro take on those loyalty programs.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
All right, here we go, Hello STDWYTK crew. In some circles,
I'm known as trash Panda. Recently, on an episode, you
guys talked about grocery stores and meeting phone numbers in
order to access deals. If you don't want to give
your own phone number, I suggest you think about Jenny.
I have used eight six, seven, five three oh nine
(04:24):
at multiple different grocery stores over the years, and there
is always an account, doesn't matter the area code. My
local Ralphs, which I believe is Krager's on the East Coast,
is actually transitioning to an app, so this trick does
have a shelf life. Thank you for all the content,
and y'all totally have my permission to use my voice
(04:44):
and message if you see fit. Thanks a bunch, bye.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Take you. Trash Panda all.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Right, Kroger and Ralphs are the same thing.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Kroger is in the midst of a huge I know,
globd overlord move.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
This sounds to me like the way they call Carl's
Junior Harty's in our neck of the woods, and that
at Carls Junior you know in the West.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Have to google that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think it's Chris Kroger and Albertson's are the It's
the big thing going on right now.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, for now, and then we'll see what happens next year,
next quarter. But yeah, I just want to take a
second and trash Panda. First off, I want to say
thank you so much for your awesome name. And I
think we may have corresponded in the past, but this
is a brilliant idea. I am all about discordiism and
light fun anarchy. So let's wreck the.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
System anarchy in the USA. Another great song. So this
one guy's got stuck in my head ever since we
got this message. That old Oh what's the name of
that group? Is two Tone Tommy two Tone No what's
the what's the band that did eight six seven, five
three oh nine?
Speaker 8 (05:50):
Got it? Got it?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I got your number on the wall?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Okay, you're right. Yeah, well I never knew the name
in my head. I talked to trash Bandit for a
little bit. She said she heard a rumor that that
was actually a number that was on a bathroom wall
that one of the bandmates saw. Noel, I just want
to see if you had any music trivia with it.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Well, I know that it's such a it's such an
earworm that I don't think the number exits like they
purposefully don't allow people to have that number because it
would get called you know, yea nauseam.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I can confirm that at least the way I have
this is just me. But the way I had heard
this rumor it did seem to have a lot of validity.
I think there's an interview with its oh nice members
of the band.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But again, that's just that's awesome. According to trash BANDA,
that phone number was disconnected no matter who had it
or when after that song came out and was such
a hit any phone, you just can't have that phone
number anymore. But I guess with this system I.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Don't call you.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
They don't cross reference your phone number to give you
a Kroger account.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
No, not usually unless again, unless it starts moving towards
the app thing. That's right, like we're talking about here,
where then you you might have two factor authentication At
some point or whatever. It seems like it will go
out the window. But for now, this is a little
hack that we can all use.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
And y'all, Ralphs is in the Kroger family of stores.
It's like, you know, they you got to have brand
recognition regionally, and for us, I guess it's Kroger on
the West Coast, it's Ralphs.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's in the Big Lebowski for crying out loud.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And the last message we've got for today comes from
a Frame and this message has to do with our
episode of Strange News. We're talking about cartels and moving
high caliber weapons pretty much military weapons.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Hey guys, it's say you frame again, and I want
a way to day to call you. And I didn't
really want to email this. Uh, but when you're talking
about how the cartels and have access to military grade
weaponry and are actively and it's being actively brought into
Mexico and increasing violence they in leading to a lot
(08:01):
of the fear mongeringe happening here around illegal immigration and drugs.
That is not new. I don't do hard drugs anymore.
I just smoke my weeds. Sometimes I'll take some mushrooms.
I don't do anything else. I only really drink occasionally,
and I just like beer, you know, or like a
nice cocktail. I don't really like going too hard. I'm
(08:23):
too old for that. But when I was in high
school in twenty twelve and thirteen, I can tell you
that it was easier for me to get a hand
grenade in a Mac eleven than it was for me
to get alcohol because I had access to cocaine. And
when you have access to cocaine, you do and always
have had access to everything. So everybody you know who
(08:45):
does coke, if they played it cool enough and ask
the right questions, they could get a hand grenade, They
could get an RPG.
Speaker 9 (08:54):
Maybe their dealer doesn't want them to know the full
extent of who they know because they don't necessarily trust them.
But if you have access to hard drugs like cocaine
and ecstasy, you have access to.
Speaker 8 (09:05):
Any and everything, from guns to people. The black market
is just there and it's not. There's really very little
separation in those organizations in between selling one product and another.
And Operation Past and Furious. You guys certainly know about that.
That was name dropped by my homeboy who had those
(09:25):
hand grenades. He was like, you ever heard of Operation
Past and Furious? And I was like, yeah, isn't that
that thing people are mad at Obama about because they
like gave guns to cartels to see where they smuggled
them to see if they could catch them later. And
he's like, yeah, once he hang in it, and that's
how it all started. So it was just it was
very las fair, very casual, just normal to him. It
(09:49):
wasn't new, it wasn't a conspiracy, It wasn't mind blowing.
He just had access to things from the militaria that
they were bringing over the border so it would be
smuggled and they could track it and try to figure
out where the smuggling roots were. That's it. They've been
doing it since like the eighties. Obama just got in
trouble for it because he got in trouble for the
(10:10):
things that but he didn't start it. It's been going
for a long time. It's gonna go for a while.
That's my personal experience with it makes me very uncomfortable
to think about in the past how easy it was
for me to get that stuff. Have a good day.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Gud Wow, never thought of that perspective. That's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
A frame always comes in with the best stuff, man.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Dude, A frame you guys, if you're listening out there,
you have no idea how often a frame calls in
with stover just like, oh, well, that's amazing, but this
isn't the A frame show a frame. You can't have
amazing things every time, but you do every time. We
have several several of you out there do that where
it's just bangers every time. I don't have any personal
(10:51):
experience with this stuff, guys, but I you know, hearing
that from somebody who has had experience, who's gone through it,
who just this concept of if you have access to
that specific drug I guess cocaine as a dealer, I
guess then potentially you have access to other things. I
don't know. That to me feels like an exaggeration, but
(11:13):
maybe it's not. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Depends on what level of the supply chain you're at. Yeah,
if you're like a lower level dealer. You know, the
person above you is dealing with the big shots or
the top dogs or whatever, you know, who deal with
the manufacturers and or importers. Perhaps I would think they
would at that level have that kind of access, but
(11:36):
I don't know that it would necessarily trickle down all
the way.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Crime is like any other business enterprise, right, Ultimately, for longevity,
one must diversify. You know, it's quite I think it's
quite rare for the typical to Nole's point, the typical
what they would call street level drug dealer to say, sorry,
I only sell okay, I would make money off of you,
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but you're looking for the wrong thing. Because way back
when when my ancestors started, you know, snowblow and suns,
we decided we would only sell one thing. The finest
artists in cocaine. Now they're gonna sell you weed. They're
going to sell you whatever can be sold. And then,
just like hotels diversify the avocados, then they are going
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to diversify into other means of income. And there is
a very strong argument that criminalizing this stuff the way
the US does further empowers those criminal endeavors. But you know,
Congress isn't asking us about it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Do you think there will be like, I don't what
bespoke cocaine brands in years. Oh that's so crazy. Yeah,
I can already imagine the Apple like stores that will
pop up across the world.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
The further up the hierarchy you go, right, the more
interesting these criminal products can get. I mean, shout out
to Pablo Escobar for introducing the hippopotamus to his part
of the Americans where they're still around. I mean, he
was at the top. I don't to be clear, I
don't think if we went to our average street level
dealer and said, like, hey, great work on the cocaine.
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What are your prices on hippos? Do you have price
breaks if we get like one apiece?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know, well, I guess if you are talking about Okay,
let's just say it's the probability of someone answering yes
to the question, Oh, hello, sir or madam, do you
know where I might acquire a military armament Corporation Model ten,
which is just the MAC ten. If someone could answer
yes to that, you can, I guess in this case,
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someone who's in the dealings that are described there by
a frame, it would probably be a higher probability. I
don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
No, you got to think about prohibition as well. Right,
that's a great comparison. So in the days of alcohol
prohibition in the United States, organized crime was also making
money running guns. It's just another income stream and typically
as a rule, organized crime is not going to be
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too discriminating against it, like we romanticize the mob where
they say, oh, we're not doing drugs, we just do
gambling and racketeering or whatever. But more and more often
they diversify, so it makes sense that you would be
able to connect the drugs and the.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Firearms, devisify, diversify your vice. Well, thank you to everybody
who again called in and everybody we just listened to.
There we'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
And we have returned with another piece of listener maw
amissive from you.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yes, you.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
In this case, we have a message, as Ben pointed
out at the top of the show, from Big Shucks.
Really appreciate you adopting the nickname. I'm just gonna jump
right into it. This is about being robbed in a
more tech ye kind of way. Let's jump right in. Hello,
my fellow handsome travelers. That is very kind. In the
(15:22):
most recent podcast episode, I heard you may be doing
an episode related to credit cards, so I would like
to share some interesting info about them, if you haven't
already heard. I was at a bar when I first
heard about these long range skimmers. I started chatting with
the guy next to me, and he told me a
story about how his company credit card had been skimmed,
but not the normal way. He hadn't even used his
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card on any device in the taxi, he used an
app to pay for the ride. The only way they
found the guy is because his company called him about
twenty to thirty minutes after the taxi ride to downtown
Seattle and they asked him about a purchase of very
expensive jewelry.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yikes.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Police were able to get there pretty quick and found
the guy still in the store and arrested him. Apparently,
there is a group within the SEATTLEPD that specifically deals
with these kinds of issues. What you might think of
as a card scammer is a bit different from what
happened in the above story. While normal card skimming is
a big problem, there are other devices that can be
quite a good distance away from your card. If your
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card has RFID capabilities, it can be copied either with
smaller devices similar to the Flipper zero, or by big
devices placed in the trunks of taxis. Now, I'm not
trying to harp on taxi drivers here. These devices can
steal credit card info while just walking around an area
with the scammer placed.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
In a backpack. And yeah, links to a video showing
just that.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Here's a quote from a blog entry on butterflymx dot com.
Long range RFID skimmers don't need to be directly next
to an RFID credential to read its information. Instead, most
skimmers can read from a distance of up to nineteen
inches or fifty centimeters. Here's a kicker, However, users can
boost the power of an RFID S camera with antennas
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or other long range transmission technologies to try to collect
data from further away. Then he linked to an article
from hackaday dot com RFID readers snoops cards from three
feet away.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And here's the thing as well. You can legally buy
these devices online. Just a quick Google search and you
will find them.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
And then linked to literally a place on online where
you can buy something called a UHF RFID small integrated reader.
So I guess it exists under the auspices of kind
of being a card reader, perhaps for mobile use. Yeah,
it's it's it's not that in case, it could be,
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but and it's only three thirty four eighty with fifty
seven ninety nine in shipping, so not cheap.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
But hey, I mean, think of think of all the
card numbers you could steal. No, don't, don't do that.
That's gross.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
MythBusters and Act was forced by the big credit card
legal teams to not air an episode re guarding RFIDs
in credit cards, and then linked to an article in
the Register myth Busters Our Idea episode acts after pressure
from credit card firms. I don't know if you guys
have heard about this. I certainly had not. It seems
(18:18):
as though a request for interview with the Texas Instruments
Company is what led to this this episode being shut down.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, I remember hearing about this one.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Do you remember this, yes, quite vividly.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It was a big deal because it was one of,
if not the only, episode that they got shut down about.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Right, because the issue is, first off, it's terrible pr
for credit card companies and for the consumer finance industry
in general. As as you know, Big Chucks, and also
it shows people how on out non cure our stuff is.
(19:02):
You know, just like just like think about when you're
driving on the road and the only thing stopping people
from careening into you is an agreed upon system of
pretending painted lines are barriers. It's a social contract. There
is a social contract that says your credit card accounts
and your tap to pays and your pins are safe.
I got to tell you, Noel and fellow conspiracy realist
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Big Shucks, especially tuning in Big Shocks, already knows about this.
But one thing that is very handy for these is
RFID blocking, you know wallet.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
That's what I got to Yeah, and actually that Butterfly
MX kind of Techi blog entry that they linked to
has all kinds of details on how to protect yourself
against this technology, which has existed longer than we might think.
This stuff can be amplified to pick up these these numbers,
(19:59):
this data and store it in the form of a
text document or a text entry. There's a whole system
that can be put together. Like again, you don't buy
the thing and it does the whole job for you. You
got to have a little bit of know how like
there was one description of one that involved using an
r duino kind of little microcomputer thing. So it's like,
you know, you can get away with doing this stuff
and having those uhf RFID small integrated reader because it
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does technically have a legitimate.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Use sure like pin testing.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Right when you pair it with other stuff, it can
be bad news. But again, the amplification part of it too,
that's requires a little bit of know how you know,
to get that kind of like repeater or whatever to
make it like I read. I did read though that
while this stuff is scary and it can be you know,
amplified it, when you amplify it like that, it's not
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as precise. It's sort of just like casting a real
wide net, and it can be interfered with by regular
old electromagnetic interference and radio signals and all kinds of stuff.
So chances are are this isn't how you're gonna get calm.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
How you're gonna get ripped off.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
It's going to be by one of those more traditional
skimmers or some phishing kind of exercise you know that's
trying to steal your digital currency, or again, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Just one of the hacks that's already happened.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
There is your data being leaked by the company that's
purported to have you know, been a good steward of it.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Also there you know, the main skeleton key in these
sorts of shenanigans is always going to be social engineering, right,
leveraging that expectation of safety and privacy, So be careful
with that, you know, there are other things got to
say it, h This is always endlessly fascinating to a
lot of us listening this evening. Yes, you can teach
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yourself to do this online, but that I'm sure this
does not apply to any of our fellow listeners. Do
be aware that if you are researching this stuff online
and you somehow get involved with shenanigans, the authorities are
going to pull your search history and they will know.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Well, you know, it's interesting too.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I mentioned this is this idea of like, you know,
requiring some technical know how to kind of jury rig
some of the stuff together. But now that I'm looking
a little deeper into this product that's available on Ali Express,
it already has the antenna. It looks like a router basically,
So again, maybe there's a legitimate use for this, but
I don't know, is an Ali Express kind of like
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ull notorious for being sort of a hub forgetting stuff
you're maybe not supposed to have.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Well, it's all the intention in the application of the technology.
Like again to the point I'm making here, like you
can teach yourself to do this stuff in an afternoon.
Legitimate testing For anybody who's wondering what pen testing is.
Pen testing is a portmanteau for penetration testing. So you
can help a company or a client evaluate how secure
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their electronic systems are.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Or your own network, you know, I mean if you
want it to right, if you've got some people have
RFID fobs that gain you act says, to your home,
to your property, to private areas, you know, perhaps safes,
so maybe you would be doing this to pintest your
own facilities.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, yep, completely valid.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And buddy of mine is he has been for a
long time in security, like network security for large enterprise companies,
and he does that with his home system. He routinely
tries to figure out if I wanted to, how could
I get in, And then he's he's constantly plugging holes
and and he knows what he's doing. So it's like
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it's it's basically there's there's a never ending series of
issues that come up when when hardware meets software right,
and I think this is going to be a just
an exciting, little ongoing battle that we're going to be
having for the rest of our human lives.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
One of the recommendations too, on the Butterflymax article, this
seemed to be sort of geared towards like rental property
owners or maybe even landlords of like apartment complexes or
you know, maybe developers. Was as kind of like sort
of like is this better or worse? Moving more towards
smartphone based access, like we have to our office. There's
an app, but it does require two factor authentication and
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you do have to get this key provided to you
that will expire, and it isn't I guess it is
our FID triggered. But there are layers that even give
you access and it requires you know, password at tree,
using like single signing kind of stuff for your whole company.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So again, surely there's a way to backdoor that as well.
But interesting stuff. It's also what I didn't realize and
looking into this, is that this.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Stuff has been around a lot longer than one might think,
especially for being something that maybe some of us hadn't
been hipped to yet.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It's an old war again yet. I'll tell you one
of my favorite the Guiver just for funzies project, there
is one way to absolutely prevent skimming at a at
a long range or from several feet away, and it's
it's like a nuclear option. Just you could just build
an EMP like a one use electromatic electromagnetic pulse device
(25:08):
and you can fit these inside of an altoy ten.
Like you can build these. They're going to completely screw
up everything else as well, so you know you're not
gonna have your phone's not gonna work either.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Like when mc guiver hacked that like traffic light box
to create a diversion and causes like a multi car
pile up.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I always wanted to be a little bit chaotic, you know,
not evil.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I don't know, I forget the archetypes, but to your point,
been there in terms of other maybe hacky type ways.
If you don't want to get one of those walls,
you can just wrap your cards in tinfoil, which goes
back to the whole tinfoil hat thing about guarding your
brain against penetration from whatever, you know, infiltration by aliens
or whatever it might be. But apparently you know, it
(25:52):
is a pretty decent shield, but not very convenient and
maybe a little.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Embarrassing you ripping your card out of the store.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Not nearly as esthetic as that cool wality you guys
pulled out.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Oh man, I don't know, Like, here's the thing too.
And this is why I'm so glad you're bringing this up.
Big shucks. In coming years, not having security literacy is
going to be like being a literate is today, right,
if you have any younglings, if you have any kids
(26:22):
you're raising. It's especially in a time where the erosion
of privacy is being so aggressively normalized by the powers
that be, it's important to know that you have to
be the author of your own privacy, right. You have
to be the author of your own security to an
astonishing degree, especially in this look. It just it sounds
(26:42):
weird because for people who are not like Matt's friend,
a security expert, you don't really think of a lot
of this stuff because it's invisible until you see it
through a ux on a screen, you know what I mean,
And that that assumption is easily easily leverage. This is
making me even more paranoid. Maybe it's because the coffee's
(27:03):
kicking into but no, what advice would you give to
people who are hearing about this for maybe the first
time and thinking, crap, what do I do? Should they
go get a wallet? Should they get the tinfoil's get
the sick wallet?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Those things look bad ass. I want to get one
now too, And they really are kind of becoming the norm.
They are these kind of stretchy sort of cardholder things
where it's got lots of cool you know, little pockets
and niches. But this technology is built in. Yours is
a little different, Matt, Matt, it looks more like a
regular wallet. Well, yours isn't as cool looking as Ben's.
I'm sorry, Matt, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I'm just saying, if you want to go onto the radar,
you just get one of niche should go.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, you don't want you don't want one that looks cool.
The reason this one is the way it is is
because very few people see it.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Oh, fair enough, I'm just saying I have seen those
types before, Ben, I have toyed with getting one, and
I just didn't pull the trigger. But now, after hearing this,
because again I knew about skimmers. I knew about a
lot of this stuff. I know about the long range stuff.
But again, not to give you a sense of false complacency.
There is a whole section on this article and a
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couple that I've seen where it's not an exact science.
They can't target you and shoot a laser at you.
It's sort of casting a wide net, and chances are
if you're outside and you're walking around and someone's not
coming right up on you and you know, bumping into you,
it's gonna be a little bit hard for them to
do it, even with those repeaters.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
If someone is executing something above a certain level of
precision like that means they have thought about this, or
they're aiming for you specifically, then you have other problems.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
That's for damn sure, you got a stalker on your hands.
They're gonna take you for all your worth.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, that sounds exciting.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Be anonymous, Oh Matt, you's SICKO. No, man, it's true.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
I mean, you know a lot of people say, oh,
be careful an ex country, you're gonna get robbed or
you're likely to get mugged. I have found that the
best solution to that is just to blend in. Don't
make a scene, don't make a big show of yourself,
look like you belong there. Maybe that's easier said than done,
but I think all three of us, when traveling roughly
(29:09):
know how to do that. And knock on wood, I've
never been victimized in this way, and I hope never
to be. But just don't don't make yourself a target,
that's all. It's not to say like they were asking
for it, nothing like that. Just you know, it's smart
to be able to kind of blend in.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That's all. Thank you, big shucks.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Let's take a quick break here worth more sponsor, and
then come back with one more message from you.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
And we have returned with an update for something that
I can't believe we missed earlier. So we'll give you
the part from twenty twenty three, and then we'll follow up.
So a fellow conspiracy realist going by the moniker hey
Lee h e y l Ee writes to us in
(29:59):
October and says the following, thanks for the many laughs
I've had so far. As a new listener, I began
listening to stuff they don't want you to know earlier
this year. I just began listening to companies started by cults.
Two this evening while doing the worst job in the world,
washing dishes, and before long I was laughing again. And
Haley wants us to put in a trigger warning here
(30:21):
for CSA and essay and creepy cult content. So pause
for a second for anybody who has listeners tonight, who this,
who might find this content objectionable. All right, here we go,
So Hailey says, I was born and raised in a
religious cult usually referred to by researchers and other outsiders
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as the two by twos. Some of us who escaped
call them bunheads, laugh or cry. Others call them the Friends,
the Way, the Truth, the Gospel, and so forth. In
spite of their best efforts, they did not succeed in
my indoctrination. I got out at age fifteen, and I
am still an atheist. I was abused in nearly all
(31:03):
the ways by parents and their version of the clergy. Recently,
there has finally been some exposure in more mainstream press
of the CSA and essay so rampant for such a
small population round or less than seventy five thousand worldwide.
There have been many excellent articles, books, and websites at
(31:24):
all for at least thirty years, produced mostly by former members. However,
the cult still maintained invisibility to the general public overall.
And I want to pause here because check me on this, guys,
keep me honest. I don't think we've talked about the
two by twos yet it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Does not ring a bellt to me.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
I am looking at this Vice article that you linked
out to Ben, and this is some shadowy, creepy stuff
that is unfamiliar to me.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
The Vice article comes to us courtesy of Haylee by
Ada Merlin. A nameless until their religious sect is being
rocked by a massive sexual abuse scandal. SA stands for
sexual abuse, CSA stands for child sexual abuse. Hailey goes on,
(32:13):
before we get too much into this cult, which I
think will be an episode in the future. Haley goes
on and says, I've noticed you all are very gracious
when talking about cults and religion.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Just heard.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I am not implying Christianity as a cult per se
in this episode I'm listening to right now, for example,
And no one would ever say that Christianity or Catholicism
or a cult. But I assure you, gentlemen, there are
a lot of us who do consider them cults, regardless
of their size or how long they've succeeded in normalizing
(32:44):
their unprovable fantasies. Is a strong language with their cannibalistic
vampire mimicking all the silly hats and sashes and dresses,
and we say that out loud to anyone who can hear.
A quick, legitimate way to assess whether or not a
cult is a cult is to apply doctor Stephen Hassan's
(33:04):
bite model. And this is just to catch people up.
The byte model is something we talked about a little
bit earlier, but.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It's a mnemonic.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
It stands for behavior, information, thought, and emotion and how
those things are controlled. And I think we're familiar with this,
not just in stuff they want you to know, but
in some of our other endeavors.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, and especially some of the serial killer things, the
at least that I've looked at in the past. These
killers have often attempted to control those very things over
their victims, like when they've got them captive prior to
killing them.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, and check out our video on how to start
a cult. So it's pretty old now, but it's still
unfortunately holds up because the rules for these things don't
really change. Unfortunately. You can find more about the byte model,
which is quite a quite a good room brick to
look at over on Freedom of Mind dot com and
(34:03):
thank you again to Haley for the link. Haley also
has some other links that they've sent to us Daily
dot dot com, Daily dot dot com Advocates for the
Truth dot com. These are both great resources if you
or a loved one have been have found yourself involved
(34:24):
with something like the two by twos, or indeed any
organization with cltic leanings. Here's the thing. We received a
follow up correspondence from you, Hailey, and you added the following.
Quite recently, the FBI has begun investigating and recently sent
out a news alert on two x two specifically asking
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for victims and witnesses to report what they know. So
Haley has asked us on behalf of all the victims
of this organization to spread the word. FBI dot gov
has the word out. You can read more as Hayley says,
on the BBC and the CBC, which you know we're
(35:08):
big fans of the CBC. Obviously, I would recommend reading
a piece by George Wright over on BBC, the FBI
launches probe into a church and then reading on CBC
historical sexual abuse charges filed against BC minister British Columbia
minister belonging to a church with no name by Karen Larsen.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
So these's a really interesting organization.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Yeah, dates back to the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, and just the idea that there's no churches really
and there's no written doctrine, right, so when someone goes
up and preaches, it's just word of it's oral preaching. Right.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
It's also incredibly malleable as a.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Result, exactly, oh man, in the schism. I'm just looking
at here at some of the schisms over time. This
is a deep dive for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I think this is an episode because Haley, as you said,
we do need to spread the word about these kinds
of organizations, because organizations that thrive in the shadows or
work best without transparency or public knowledge, they lose power
when there is transparency, They lose power when there is accountability.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
This story is as you said, Matt, it's just absolutely wild.
It reminds me a little bit of the finders or
the garbage eaters, remember those, right, And they kind of
had that same amorphous quality they describe themselves as just
maybe like the movement or the Brethren, things like that.
(36:48):
It's strange, though, how large these things can grow without
much public knowledge about it, Like how do you think
people find out about these things? Is it just you know,
do they target people who are at a low point
in their life? Do they just encourage the current members
to reproduce? That sounds like what happened to you, Haley,
(37:10):
because you say half my kid or western North Carolina
Blue Ridge Mountain folks and born and raised in this cult.
So maybe maybe that's part of it. Like how do
you indoctrinate you know, outsiders?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I don't know. I mean it sounds like it's a
roving thing to where you would just go house to
house and have a conversation the way some other religious
movements do. A group of them showed up in my
house earlier today. Actually not this group, but a different.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Christ of Latter day Saints or different several there's several
there are.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
You're right, now, you're right.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
But you know, shout out to the musical, the Book
of Mormon.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That was all part of their you know, initiation. I
guess more or less is going door to door like that. Yeah,
I do want to give.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Like we talked about the Church of LDS in past
Strange News listener mail or episodes, but to be very clear,
they are different from the two by twos very much.
So I'm bringing up the Book of Mormon because the
most amazing thing to me about that was when I
saw it in the playbill. The actual Church of Jesus
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Christ of Latter day Saints had advertisements in here. They
helped fund the play, and they've got this beautiful ad
where they say you've seen the play, now read the book.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
And I was like, oh, that's funny, well done. That's
good marketing, man.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
That's good marketing. But hopefully raising awareness of the two
by twos in the future will help bring some bring
some much needed justice, bring some closure to these folks.
And again, you know, like you can tell folks, we
have a lot of research to do to dive into
(38:53):
this one. And with that in mind, I suggest maybe
we we end with one brief letter from Home and
then we get back on the case.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
What do you guys think it? Okay?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
With that vote of confidence, here is one letter from Home,
courtesy of Carrie Letters from Home it's just similar to
some of the voicemails we get. It's just quick tips
or nice things. How you doing, how you folks, that
kind of stuff. So Carrie says, Hya and I lived
in Vietnam a number of years ago and Nesley was everywhere.
(39:27):
Their campaign was to convince new mums not to breastfeed,
but to buy their formula, which was available in small
shops owned by poor locals locked up in captains with
the promise of money. It was absolutely disgraceful. Keep focusing
on these stories, it matters. And I think that's because
we recently had a classic episode about Nessley published.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
And I remember that.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Thank you, Carrie, Thank you to everybody for tuning in.
Thank you to Sydney trash pandat a frame, thank you
to Big Chucks. Makes my day that we were able
to give someone a nickname, you know, pretty sweet. Yeah,
and thank you of course to Hayley. We are on
the case. We will be returning very soon with more
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strange news, more messages from you, more stuff they don't
want you to know. Most importantly, before we go, folks,
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You don't have to wait till we come and knock
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On xfkaa Twitter, and also on Facebook. We have our
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Hey.
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We've noticed a couple of really nice reviews on Apple
Podcasts and Spotify and other places. If you have an
inkling of want wanting to review the show, we would
just recommend it. We would say thank you so much
for doing so. It means a lot and it helps
the show. So if you got some time, please do that.
If you don't want to do that, why not call us.
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Our number is one eight three three STDWYTK. It's a
voicemail system. You've got three minutes. Give yourself a cool
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if you've got attachments, why not instead send us a
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The spirit of reviews. Thank you for bringing that up, Matt.
Before we get to the email, we'd like to thank Ian.
The Phoenician in particular wrote a wrote a very kind
review called Lighthouse in the Store. I don't want to
spoil it for you, but go check that out. And
while you are on the tubes and the cables of
the internets, yes, do send us an email. Twenty four
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the void writes back. All you have to do is
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