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June 13, 2024 42 mins

Brett the Hitman shares a bizarre story about Ticketmaster, Taylor Swift and Paris. Tree Forts shares the mystery of TwinRay in Ashland, Oregon. Chickenado explores the stuff Big Chicken doesn't want you to know. Plus: Is a Big Mac technically lasagna? All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nol. They call me Ben.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis, code
named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That
makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
It is Thursday, sometime in June. We're hoping this usually
comes out on a Thursday. We're so glad that you
have joined us, fellow conspiracy realist. We are going to

(00:50):
hear from you. We've got some letters from home. We've
got some updates on things that Big Chicken doesn't want
you to know. As a joke for our Atlanta friends,
we also have we also have some breaking news that
we will share as well. Most importantly, we've got some

(01:13):
messages from you, and we'll get into those right now
or after a well. We're doing cold open style. This
is our cold open.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And we've returned. We are jumping to the phone lines
off the bat. Here to a message that guys sausage
McMuffin needed to tell us something. It was very important.
It was about a conversation we were having, and I
guess we left something out either by omission or like me,
forgot about it until the old McMuffin said, Hey, remember

(01:51):
this is it?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Wait? Soft note?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Is it like when I talked about the Atlanta water
main break and we didn't talk about how Atlanta had
spent millions of dollars on cop city instead of fixing infrastructure.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Maybe you did kind of leave that one in your
back pocket.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, yeah, well we also left this out, and let's
go to the message.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Hi, uh this is a sausage McMuffin and uh Southern
California and uh feel free to use this over the air,
just in the middle of your most recent listener mail
and Noel. The scariest part for me in the movie

(02:36):
Pet Cemetery was and always will be Zelda has always
taking the cake. And just now thinking about Zelda in
that bedroom has given me the HEV TV and H
For any of you people out there that haven't watched
the movie or read the book, do yourself a favor

(02:57):
and do both take care, love the show, keep doing
what you're.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Doing some mean spirited little movie that what spoke to
you about this?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Aside from sausage bik muffin, actual.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I hadn't seen pet cemetery since I was a kid,
and I thought, what is Zelda the sister a bedroom?
I have no idea what you're talking about, sausage McMuffin.
So then I did a little search on ye old
internets and the beat well, well, the Google came back

(03:31):
and just reminded me of this image that I'm sharing
with you guys right now.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Jesus not as scary as the book. Yeah, the book
is frightening. I think it's one of the I believe
the author, Stephen King, still to this day, describes it
as the book that terrified him the most. He wrote
the thing sausage and he himself, the author actual, will

(04:03):
not read the book.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Wow, he showed her and like I think his publisher
or his wife maybe convinced him to publish it. But
it is it's it's about weapons. I think the closest
thing that I could compare it to in today's kind
of cinema is Hereditary. Hereditary deals with the weaponization of
grief and loss and how it makes you go insane. Uh,

(04:30):
and in a very similar way. But there's similarly bleak
movies where nothing good happens to anybody.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, yeah, we recommend you head on over to Stephen
King dot fandom dot com and look up Zelda Goldman
who is that character and just learn about her and
her spinal lameningitis that she suffered from and how that
affected her and the family.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Was played by a large, lanky dude by the way, uh,
wearing a wig. Just just that's maybe it doesn't age just
quite so well.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
What's the old line from John Lovett's acting, right.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, Andrew huba Stek I think is how you say
his name?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
That bub Steak is entirely as we know based upon
Andrew's appearance in Pet Cemetery's film Wrecked a Lot.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Of Kids Man Wrecked a Lot of Kids.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Also, that is a great point sausage mcmuffet for any
fans of horror. Stephen King recently published his latest horror anthology,
or I should even at this point just a fiction
anthology called You Like It Darker? Just finished it amazing.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Really good. It's super It seems like he's been coasting
a little bit lately. That's good to hear. I'm really
glad to hear that. If I could just add one
little thing. Recently, we did a bunch of videos and
then I did one of the videos and I did
it was a review for this that I really enjoyed
called I Saw the TV Glowing, which is all about
like the memory and the way we look at like

(06:07):
the pop culture when we're kids, and things that scare us,
and how sometimes when you revisit them later as adults,
they look cheap and stupid and gaudy. That is how
I felt about Stephen King's made for TV adaptation of
it when I was a kid. That gave me hellacious nightmares,
hellish even I couldn't sleep. I was terrified Pennywise was

(06:29):
gonna come to get me. There's a scene where like
blood comes out of a drain. I has found it
absolutely nightmare fuel watched it with my kid about five
six years ago. They laughed at it the whole time,
and I was just like, this is not what scared me.
It couldn't be so memory to help a thing by
pets cemetery still scares me.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That one holds up it most certainly does you know
what else holds up?

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Guys? Tell us what's that, Matt.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Groups of people that want to influence others to give
them thousands and thousands of dollars. Culture into the next message,
which comes to us from tree Forts.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
Here we go, Hey, guys, this is tree Forts. Feel
free to use this on air or not. But I'm
actually listening to some stuff from back in at the
beginning of April talking about the two by two cult
and a couple of the other ones. I got another
one for you. There is a cult in the city

(07:28):
of Ashland, Oregon, called the Twin Ray Cult. It's not there.
They are the type of cult who doesn't want to
be called the cult. Obviously that's how that works. But
Ashland does a very small, small community of pretty wealthy
and important people in Oregon. But there's a lot of

(07:50):
weird stuff going on that I think you guys should
look into. If you guys want to use this on
airth that's totally fine, and I hope you guys have
a good rest of your day.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
There we go another cult, guys, Now, I want to
make sure everyone heard tree Forts correctly. There it is
Twin Ray t W I N no space r A Y.
If you want to look this up, and it is
in the in the city of Ashland A S H

(08:22):
L A N D in Oregon.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Guys. Yeah, did the immediate.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Google search and something came up from a local outfit
over there called op B and they've got we've got
an article here titled the Twin Ray Mystery. A spiritual
group in Ashland raises eyebrows and worries.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Oh, I love the point that you're bringing up there.
I love the point you're bringing up there. Three forts. Yes,
they do not want to be described as a cult.
Few cults do. They're a what they call themselves, matt,
a global tribe.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Sure, that's a really good way to put it. A
global tribe of like minded individuals, all striving for ascension.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
This sounds good to me, guys. One of the reasons
that they were I guess learned about or known about
is because they opened a store like a brick and
mortar store where they sold stuff called living water for
one hundred and eleven dollars apiece.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
One hundred and eleven dollars US.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
That is United States currency. Oh yeah. It was on
main street of this smallish town called Ashland, as about
twenty one thousand people living in it, and this this
place is weird. It was gold flecked the living water,
so there was gold flakes in it of some sort,

(09:51):
and it was supposed to have some kind of spiritual
effect on you. And also when you went in the store.
There's all kinds of what is being described here by O. P.
B and the writer Lee L E A H sotal
S O T T I L e Uh. They're saying
it's a it was a new age store, right do
you go into there's probably I haven't seen the inside

(10:14):
of it besides a couple of pictures, but there's definitely
some crystal formations in there, some really cool paintings and art,
and you could go in there and buy your water,
and man, it.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Looks really interesting.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Okay, I'm I'm looking at the website here and what
I'm what I'm seeing just from their official website tree
Forts and Matt and Nolan Codenay doc and all of us.
I'm seeing the use of a term I don't quite understand, bioceuticals,
like the water contains flex of gold, but then also

(10:53):
something called bioceuticals which allegedly impact mood in a positive way.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh that sounds nice. That sounds really nice. Let's see,
I'm on their store right now, Treasures dot Twinay dot com,
and they've got the super six. It's what they're advertising here.
At least it's got let's see, it's got immortal, monotomic,
cosmic clay, galactic gaia times two, enlightened earth trybiotic and biozymes.

(11:27):
What is this stuff? What is it says? I'm just
gonna read this verbatim here on the website. This is
not an ad embark upon a powerful journey with our
divine human bioceutical thirty day daily detox that is designed
to perform a deep cellular cleanse, rejuvenate your cells, reconfigure
your connection to your body, to the earth, ground, your energies,

(11:49):
and awaken the life force within your organs.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I think the FDA would approve of all of those
terms because they are not legally defined nor enforceable.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, they kind of don't really mean anything to be rude.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Sorry, I don't know about you, guys. My organs definitely
have a bit of a glow to them.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, I'm sorry that I don't mean. You're right, I
don't mean to be rude. It sounds really nice. It
sounds otherworldly and powerful, right, and it sounds like these
particular whatever they are, This cosmic clay which is I
don't know. It says it's a radiant blue substance on
Earth found to be thirty million years old. That may

(12:32):
just be the antidote for the superbug warfare of today,
may just be it's the only clay in the world
to date that is one hundred percent antibacterial and antipathogenic.
Cool tight, awesome, I guess I just don't understand a
lot of the stuff, and I'm confused a bit by
the website here. It says that they've got an academy,

(12:56):
guys I linked to it. In there, they've got a
Twin Ray Academy where you can sign up for a
Mystic Mentorship and a Solar monthly bundle that is three
hundred and thirty three dollars for two courses. Then you
can get a Mystic Mentorship Solar annual bundle, which I
guess is paying on a yearly basis, which includes three courses,

(13:17):
and that one is three thousand, three hundred and thirty
three dollars. So there's some numerology going on in here, obviously, right,
the threes are very important. There's also a gold status
that you can get, which I don't know. I don't
know what that entails. I'm a bit afraid to click
on it, but I will.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh, it looks like nothing was found at this location. Okay,
never mind, never mind, got a page error.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
What we can say is, of course, the thing that
we feel ethically bound to declare in any exploration of
what we will call non mainstream religious movements. Right, that's
a diplomatic term. If you are not doing harm to people,
believe what you wish, and live as you wish to live,

(14:04):
die as you wish to die. However, the accusations here, Matt,
from some of the sources you shared, some of the
things I'm finding here, they appear to indicate that this
movement has been accused of forcing financial harm upon people.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, at least that's what has been written thus far.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
It's a bit strange. You can find their Instagram page, which,
if you want to look it up, it is Twinreay
dot official. That's at least the name that pops up. Well,
I guess the user that pops up the name is
Akasha E. Sonata, which is interesting. If you watch some
of the reels that they have posted on there, you
will find and I don't know their names, but I'm

(14:51):
definitely seeing a man that is wearing kind of white
and light colored clothing and sometimes a hat and has
a long beard us dash into long hair and looking
I would say quite messionic.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
It looks like according to a couple of pieces from
local press, it looks like it's co founded by son
and Daji, maybe the person you're describing the messionic looking
dude and Shikena Ma, who is the co founder and
appears to share a very similar aesthetic.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
Right.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I wonder what their given names actually were. That's something
we can find out later. Fascinating stuff.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
What do you think tree Fort's find out some more info.
Send it our way. We haven't been up to that
part of Oregon in some time, so you know, give
us some info. We'll find out more. Is there a
cool religious movement that's happening near you? Why don't you
write to us and tell us all about it? Send
us a voicemail however you want to contact us. At
the end of the episode, you'll learn how For now,

(15:57):
stick around for more messages from you.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
And we are back with another message from U. YESU,
that's you, Chicken Nato. I picked this email against my
better judgment, for as you all know, I am in
fact deathly a feared of birds, on specifically chickens. I
was once chased by a chicken. I did survive, Thank

(16:28):
you for asking. But they freak me out. Man. They're
like weird, creepy dinosaurs that somehow still are on this planet.
I do enjoy eating their flesh, but yeah, I don't
particularly like like seeing them. They come at you, man,
tweaky little guys. But this is not about This is
not a story about Nole's fear of birds. This is

(16:49):
a story with an insider perspective on factory farming, which
is also really scary. They let her goes like this.
You can call me code name Chicken Nato from Oklahoma.
I've been listening to your podcasts for a while. It's
great to pass the time at work. I haven't listened
to all of them yet. After all, it's a huge catalog.

(17:09):
That's true. I caught the feed Gate stuff involving the
chicken feed plus birds not laying. That was all the
rage last year in the chicken forums, which is apparently
a thing. Of course, it is forums for everything, so
I know you have some interest in agriculture. For a
tiny bit of background, I grew up rural. My family

(17:29):
raised beef cattle before the market became terrible for small
family farms, as in lucky to break even. Now I
do bantam chickens, lots of them, and provide my community
with fresh, sustainable eggs from flocks that follow best practices.
So my info for you on what they don't want
you to know is that the labels you see on

(17:50):
a lot of animal goods in the store don't mean
what you think they mean. A lot of times. For example,
if you go look at eggs, you'll see some options
like cage free or free range, and quite often the
cartons will have some kind of image that indicates happy
chickens out on a large field. This is compounded by

(18:12):
how lots of homesteaders and backyard keepers use terms to
describe their setups. This means we have two definitions for
the same thing, homesteader, backyard flocks, hobbyists, etc. Free Ranging
flocks are loose in a large open area in your yard,
the pasture or whatever, there's grass and other green things,

(18:36):
and they get to run around in it. Commercial operation,
according to the USDA, chickens labeled free range must have
had access to the outside. There's no stipulation, however, of
how large that space must be, or how long they
need access, or the quality of it. It could be

(18:57):
just a tiny space on a concrete slab a few
chickens can crowd into a few minutes per day and
still get that sweet, sweet free range label. There's also
a third label I'll cover just because I'm sure someone
will bring it up. Certified Humane free range, which does
have the requirement of at least two square feet per

(19:17):
bird of outdoor access for at least six hours a day.
Sounds great if big if you know nothing about best
practices guidelines for chickens. Best practices require that standard chickens
need a minimum of ten square feet per bird in
their run the outside portion of their housing. Even bantam
chickens need at least four square feet per bird. There's

(19:39):
actually nothing humane about the label, once you are aware
how grossly substandard this is for space requirements. The label
people think they are buying when they get free range
is called pastured. Just for people's info if they are
upset to learn they've been supporting poor animal welfare practices. Okay,
so that's the one you want making a note of

(20:01):
that there. And this is just one example. If you
look around at any of the AG products marketed directly
to buyers, you'll see tons and tons of this misleading stuff.
And cows, a lot of the labels say grass fed
instead of pastured, because they weren't on pasture, they were
in a feed lot and fed. Hey. The example just
keep going on and on, and I think a lot

(20:23):
of people not directly involved in AGG don't really know
about these things, since every time I've spilled the beans
about it to NONAG people, they are shocked and appalled.
As an endinote, I'd like to give everyone the advice
that getting fresh farm goods is a lot easier, cheaper
and accessible than you might think. Agreed, oh a million percent,
And we'll get into that in a second. Anyone who

(20:45):
has even six chickens has more eggs than they know
what to do with. Offer to buy a few dozen.
Look around on local Facebook groups or even apps like farmish.
I often find stuff much cheaper than at grocery stores.
This way ps have included the photos of my since
you guys say you like pet photos. These are bantam chickens,
which are basically miniature versions of the standard breeds. Wow

(21:08):
in a wealth of information. That is an actionable email
from Chicken Nato, and I can attest despite my misgivings
about chickens, these are cute chickens. And I may mentioned
this on the show before, but my partner used to
raise chickens herself and had one named Martha and one
named Snoop. You know, because of Martha and Snoop. They

(21:28):
used to kick it together or whatever. But guys, remember
when we went to that chicken guy's place in his
backyard when we shot some videos and I got scared
and ran away like a little little baby.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I remember it vividly. I remember the feel of their
pecks on my.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Hand as I fed them. It was awesome. I don't
want to come off down named privileged here, but I mean,
I think even it's probably even more common in less
metro areas to have farmers' markets, you know, on the
weekends or whatever certain times of the year. But I'm
here in Atlanta. We have access to all kinds of farmers' markets.
In the summer, there's you know, Atlanta is a metro area,

(22:07):
but right you go a couple hours outside the city,
or even an hour, you're in farmland, baby. I mean
there's tons of ag operations, family owned farms, and what
Chicken Nato is saying is absolutely correct. You can get
a dozen eggs for very little money, much cheaper than
the grocery store, and they're just better eggs, man, They're

(22:28):
so good. The shells even have this like unique quality
to them. They're not as homogenized looking. They all kind
of have little different characteristics, and you know, just getting fresh,
you can get a whole chicken, you know, from one
of these same types of farmers markets, and it is
some of the best, you know, roasted chicken you'll ever
have in your life. And the eggs are just fabulous.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
And it's often not as expensive as some of the
eggs that I've shopped for in the past, where I'm
looking for some of these specific labels and they're you know,
they're upwards of nine dollars a dozen, if not a
bunch more.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Well, now that we know these labels are bs too,
it's even more kind of vexing, right.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
It makes a tough decision because you have to decide, Wow,
all right, I'm gonna budget a significant portion of the
amount of money that I thought I was going to
spend on groceries, on eggs, which is generally one of
the you know, the lower cost things that you're gonna buy,
along with stuff like milk and butter and some of
those essentials, those staples. It's just it's tough. You want

(23:32):
to do it right, you then have to spend a
bunch of money unless you're doing what Chicken Nato is
suggesting here.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
And man and you chimed Dan. You know when I
was reading the letter about how you agree that there
are so many really amazing options that a lot of
people might not think to eat farm fresh. Did you
have any any thing I know you like to cook?
Did you have any things that stood out to you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
First, Chicken Nato, thank you so much. You are on
my list who reply to because I love, love, love
the picture of the pictures I should say of your
bantam brood. And you're absolutely correct about everything you mentioned here.
For anybody who has not checked out our earlier episodes

(24:16):
on the livestock industry in the US, and indeed, abroad,
please give it a listen. It is unpleasant, but it
is important and we must remember as well, especially conspiracy
realist in the West, if you are familiar and dependent
upon a grocery store. We're not saying go off the
grid immediately, but we are saying, as Matt mentioned, please

(24:40):
be aware of your options because you can, indeed not
just prepare yourself for eventualities by establishing relationships with local farmers,
with local livestock owners, you can also save a little
bit of money in the short.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Term you're here. I don't know. I don't have a
a lot to add. I just thought this was just
an email that I thought just so chock full of
information that is actually actionable. And then that's you know
we like to That's exactly the kind of stuff we
like to share on listener mail. So maybe we make
this a bit of a shorter one unless you guys
had anything else to app.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
The only thing I had to add is the I've
heard of like a local Facebook group for farmers, like right,
if you want to reach out. I've never heard of farmers. Yeah,
so I wanted to look that up really quickly and
just give you know, people an idea of what maybe
that is because I had no idea. Is it an app?
Do we think?

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Seems like it's like a community farmersh local food and yeah,
farmers marketplace app for local food and farms buy and
sell homegrown produce, backyard chicken, eggs, honey plants, trees, garden supplies.
So the kind of folks that would go and set
up at a local farmer's market. This is probably a
way of reaching out to them directly, which could be

(25:56):
kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
That is very cool. We are not sponsored by Farmish.
Just put that out there.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'm just tapping. I didn't know it existed.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, it seems very cool.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Well with that another action item there. Thank you for
pointing that one out, Matt and getting us a look
a little bit deeper. Yes, you can go to getpharmish
dot com to check that out. Let's take a quick break,
hear a word from our sponsor, and then come back
with another piece of listener mail.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
And we have returned. Fellow conspiracy realist. We're gonna hear
from Brian who says, hey, stuff, they don't want you
to know team. By the way, I just thought this
would be a fun way for us to explore something
that's been on a lot of people's minds lately. Brian says,
I have a long time listener and a first time contactor.

(26:47):
You can call me Brett the hit Man. I just
want to let you guys know you're doing a phenomenal
podcast that always keeps me entertained while being informed about
stuff they don't want you to know. So keep up
the excellent work, Brian. Thank you from the bottom of
our collective heart. Brian has an idea for a show
and says, here's a bit of a backstory. My wife

(27:08):
is a huge Taylor Swift fan. It was trying for
months to get tickets to her US shows. We are
in California. She didn't care where the show was. She
was prepared to travel wherever to see Taylor Swift. Taylor
has such a huge legion of swifties that they have
to use a lottery type system to see if you
can be selected for a chance to buy tickets. So

(27:31):
I'm pausing here for a second. That means you have
to win the opportunity to pay for the thing. Oh yeah,
don't win the tickets, all right, to.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Mention the airfare, hotel, whatever. If you're doing the destination version,
because you gotta kind of diversify by trying for multiple locations.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
And Brian continues, this was going crazy because the people
who got selected for the lottery would buy up all
the tickets in mere minutes. Brian says, Fortunately, my wife
got selected and was able to buy tickets for Taylor's
show in Paris, France. And I'm paraphrasing here a bit, Brian.
Brian says, Now we had never been across the pond,

(28:09):
but for this concert it was a done deal. The
reason why is because the cost of the concert tickets
in Paris. Listen closely, guys loose where a fraction of
what they were selling for in the United States might
seem counterintuitive to a lot of us here in the US.
To clarify, says Brian, we got four tickets in Paris

(28:31):
for about five hundred dollars total, when tickets here in
the US were being sold for over two thousand dollars
each US dollars. Geez right. Luckily, Brian says, the trip
was successful. This show was well worth it. Earlier this month,
in May May of twenty twenty four, for anybody listening,

(28:51):
you know, years in the future and Brian says, once
we got back, I saw a news report that Ticketmasters
be ensued because the US Justice Department, who allowed Ticketmaster
Live Nation to merge years ago, is angry about it basically,
and Ticketmaster Live Nation accused of having a stranglehold on

(29:11):
ticket sales and the fees are way too ridiculous, so
the USDOJ wants Ticketmaster Live Nation to break up so
other ticket providers can have a chance to sell tickets
without the unaffordable markup. As of this writing, and Brian
wrote to us just yesterday as the crow flies, apparently

(29:32):
thirty states have joined in with this lawsuit. And we
did an episode on Ticketmaster earlier.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Remember that, guys, totally way back in actually around this time.
It's been almost exactly five years twenty nineteen in May,
was it.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Around the time of the merger.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I think, to be quite honest and not sounding like
self involved, I think I got pissed because I felt
like I had to pay too much for a Ticketmaster thing.
And maybe that's an experience we shared, but we definitely
went went after just the facts about the monopolistic practices
of Ticketmaster to a great deal in defense of the

(30:11):
creators and bands that have to labor under that regime.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
It's so easy to get confused too, because since we
started doing the listener mail and strange news stuff, sometimes
having discussed something in one of those segments, I'm like,
did we do an episode on that, because we've certainly
talked about the merger, like what could go wrong? They'll
be fine, right, They'll be good stewards of all of us,
you know, hard working concert music lovers, fans. Right, it's

(30:35):
all for the fans, right, Ticketmaster slash live Nation right right.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
One interesting part of that conversation that would love your
take on, Brian is the idea that Ticketmaster is in
some way paid to be the bad guy, paid to
be the scapegoat. Right, Like, now we are a band,
we're still making our money, or we're a performer some
sort and we can say, look, it's not us, it's

(31:04):
the system.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
I wish you could just you know, I wish it
could come for free. But because the big bad corporate guy,
it's going to be three hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Why is this so much cheaper in Europe? Like I
know that the euro is worth less than the dollar,
and things do tend to be a little that just
seems like wildly disparate. I'm interested is to is she
not as popular over there? I don't know. It's very
very interesting because I actually have my girlfriend or my
partners that one of her best friends is mega mega

(31:34):
swifty and did something almost identical, went to Paris for
the first time, did just to see to see Taylor. All.
We're sharing these kind of stories.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
You know, I know, and I'm sure many of us
listening tonight knows someone who has practiced medical tourism. It's
cheaper too. It's cheaper to visit a dentist in a
different country with the same level of care than it
is to visit someone in the United States. We wanted
to you wanted to point this out because it is

(32:03):
something we've explored the past. The results are apparent. The
DOJ is moving, at least here in the States. I
likewise was surprised by the price discrepancy. If you want
to learn more, please go to the New York Times
article US calls for breakup a Ticketmaster owner that is
Live Nation Entertainment. Fantastic article just came out like a

(32:25):
week ago by David McCabe and Ben Cesario. Shout Out
Ben's and this looks like it will be a phrase
we used earlier in Strange News and earlier tonight. It
will be actionable, like there will be results from this,
and you know, the main beneficiary is probably going to

(32:45):
be I mean, it's not just the public, it's going
to be beneficial for the performers as well. I would argue,
does that sound off base?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Not at all. I was looking at an article in
Billboard that said tickets in Europe were something like a
percent less, like cheaper than tickets in the United States
to go see Taylor Swift specifically, and they're they're saying
it's due to the regulatory environment, right and to kind
of exist that we've talked about for other things like

(33:14):
privacy over in European countries versus the United States, as
well as a I would say, a healthy skepticism of
the old ticket resale what do we call that? What
we call ecosystem?

Speaker 4 (33:28):
There we go space, But I feel like they've cracked
the code on that over there before we did, like
in terms of like mitigating scalping. Because dear friend of
the show casey Pegrim, talked about an experience he had
going to see Radio had many years ago in Paris
where he had to get his ticket and it required
like multiple forms of identification. You couldn't transfer the ticket,

(33:52):
you know, there were lots of stipulations. And when I
just went to this prima Vero Sound Festival and in
Spain you had to upload your passport and your passport
to your ticket. I just feel like it's one of
the many things that they kind of cracked over there
before we've kind of figured it out over here, because
it still seems like they're scalping opportunities over here. It's not.

(34:13):
It's not as lockdown despite some sort of mild efforts
on the part of you know, companies like Ticketmaster and folks, we.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Would love to hear your thoughts in this regard. You know,
we again we courted controversy when we did our ticket
Master episode, but luckily we were prescient in that sense
because just objectively, again there does appear to be a

(34:42):
bit of a conspiracy afoot, and finally Uncle Sam also
appears to agree with us. However, that's not the end
of tonight's listener Mail program. I want to give a
special shout out to James s over on Here's where
it gets crazy. Our Facebook page who shared a fantastic
article about active evolution. Urban foxes are evolving, proven Darwin's

(35:08):
earlier theories. James links to an article from big think
dot com. It's a fascinating read. It's from twenty twenty,
but it's still pretty prescient. Just to give you a
shout out, James, just to give everybody on here's where
it gets crazy, a shout out.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
We love the activity on that. I did want to
end with one letter from home. This is the very
end of listener mail. We like to just have a
thing that's maybe not like a huge deal, but it's
just a how you doing to conspiratorial prairie home companion.
And this is where this is where we get a

(35:46):
message from from someone we'll call street Genie because well
you'll see why a steam gentleman, you can call me
Street Genie. I recently consumed the listener mail segment regarding
the tacos are sandwich is ruling, and I would like
your opinion on a very important matter. Lasagna equals And

(36:07):
this is in a layer. It's written so you see
the layers starch, meat, cheese, starch, meat, cheese, starch, Street
Genie says, big Mac equals starch, meat cheese, starch, meat
cheese starch. Therefore, is the big Mac a lasagna?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Is there nothing sacred?

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Street Genie, Street Genie.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
You you want to watch the world burn, don't you, Street Genie.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Well, Street Genie, you've forgotten the lettuce in the main.
Did you think about the lettuce or the special sauce?

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Well?

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Now, now now?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
And not all starches, your all cheeses are created equals.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
If you make your lasagna like Carmelo soprano, does you
got the little basil leaves in between the noodle le
or you ever heard of a veggie lasagna? Ma At?
I was being Devil's at. I don't even know what
inside I'm on.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Maybe we I don't want to say improved, because we're
big fans of your work, Street Genie.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Maybe what we do.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Is revise the formula a little bit, to add something
like vegetation or like can't matter, you know, because also
I realized that I just made the implication that I
consider all forms of meat equally consumable. I guess I
should guard on record I have never eaten a human being.

(37:25):
I hope i'd never have to.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Question if it were to become possible, which I think
we've now dringing about. Who there was a story about this,
if there was a synthetic way of producing human meat,
would you try it? Would you try it?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Years back, many evenings ago, I remember Matt speaking with
you because I was taken in by what appeared what
turned out to be a satirical parody website that said
they had created houfu kind of plant based protein that
did taste one to one like human meat.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Wait, so it wasn't real.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Uh, the website was not real.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
But I swear there was a story more recently that
someone had lab grown human meat.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Lab grown regular meat is on the way, and now
it's just an economy of scale and consumer comfort question.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, says here, it's a Channel four satire show. Yeah,
lab Channel four lab grown human meat show is satirical.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Dawn darn sounded like a honeypot for cannibals.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Finally we figured it out. Okay, we'll make that a
sketch later, because that's a great idea. Also, if you
think about for situations you should never be in. Here
is an observation the reason cannibalism often goes wrong for
people practicing cannibalism. We talk about this, I think in
our earlier episodes, is that usually when people violate that

(39:01):
strong primal moral taboo, they're being They're predating on other
starving people. Right, So the people that you are attempting
to eat, unless they died before, they were malnourished, they
are kind of like they're not nutritionally viable. You know.

(39:22):
It's a problem they ran into in liningrad It's a
problem you see echoed in Alive or the film adaptation
of that unfortunate plane crash. I'm ending this on a
weird note.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Wasn't that there a new one recently? It's called like
Empire of the Snow or Kingdom of the Snow or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
That was it called where you can sayment, I'm.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Going to go out on a limb and say, Ben,
you should stop talking publicly about your knowledge of cannibalism.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
I have not partaken. I'm not.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
We're just having you information for choices, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
We came up with this on another show would be
called ridiculous history. Don't live in fear, live informed. So
if you are in a situation, thank you for backing
me up on that one.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
You know, like what you did.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
We're recording that episode. If you are in a situation
wherein you have to do these unthinkable, objectively not great things,
then just no. I mean the non ethical answer would
be keep people alive till you need them yourself.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
The film I was talking about that came out last
year is called Society of the Snow by the Way,
and it's about a plane crash in the Andes. It
took place in nineteen seventy two, and it's supposed to
be on the same story, supposed to be very very good,
but seems like a real bummer.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Well, you know, a couple of survivors at the end,
you know. With that With that in mind, I think
one of the great lessons we take here is that
in this active milieu, the non consensual long form improv
that we call life, things are still evolving. You should

(41:12):
try not to eat people. We collectively still wonder what
is a sandwich, what is or is not lasagna? And
perhaps most importantly, we would love to hear from you.
We try to be easy to find online.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
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you can join our Facebook group. Here's where it gets
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Instagram at TikTok. You can find us at the handle
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(42:01):
compelling story and information or comments or whatever you want
to say. If you got more to say they can
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us a good old fashioned email.

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