August 23, 2023 • 59 mins
The guys play some of the most intriguing messages you've sent them. Listen in for unidentified aerial vehicles, giant sun-umbrellas, and much (much) more in this special voicemail edition of listener mail.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of Iheartrading.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Our co host Ben has gotten himself into another one
of those international situations. We are certenglement perhaps, Oh yes,
oh yes, We're certain he'll find his way back home soon.
We are joined today, as always by the one and
only Paul Mission Control A decand and guys, today we're
diving into the old voicemail box.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is a boxer a bag? I guess if it's a
letter as it's a bag, but voicemail it's a box.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Weird, my son says, dude, I babes. Yes, but we're
going to pull out some of the most thought provoking
stuff that you have been sending us over the past
couple of months. And before we get started, just want
to put it out there if you want to send
us a message, it's super simple.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Dial that's one eighty three three std WYTK. It's literally
that easy. The S and the T and the D
and the W and the Y and the T and
the K correspond to alpha numerica characters on your phone keypad.
But you can figure that out right.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Oh yes, And let us begin with a sighting in
the skies above the Atlanta metro area.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
What I didn't hear about this? I live in the
Atlanta metro area.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, this message comes to us from Brett Watcher of
the Skies.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Hi, Ben, Matt Noel, This is Brett Watcher of the Skies.
I was just leaving you a voice mail to let
you know that I have sent you some photos of
UAV that I took. I thought I had sent them
(02:05):
to you in early May, along with a little letter
of explanation, but I found out today that it wasn't sent.
So I'm hoping you get the letter and the photos.
I think they're quite remarkable. And it actually got picked
(02:26):
up and published in Mufon in their May magazine. It
was the top or first story on page six. And
my name again is Brett Watcher of the Skies. Thank
you well.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
First of all, Brett, can I say I really hope
that you got your nickname from the Incredible Genesis song
from the Good Days of Genesis when Peter Gabriel was
the front person on the album. Foxtrot is an amazing
opening track called Watcher of the Skies that's like Prague
King Crimson meets like Tool or something. It's not the
genesis of Phil Collins fame that many might be familiar with.
(03:04):
So if you're into that kind of music, sort of
like science fiction y fairy music that sounds like it
could be in like a D and D campaign, check
out Foxtrot by Genesis.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That sounds like a lot of fun. But I will
take the drummer singer any day of the week.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, he's great, don't get me wrong. Phil's got his thing.
But like the Peter Gabriel era, it's weird actually because
Phil Collins, I guess, from singing backup for so long
with Peter, sort of learned to sing exactly like Peter Gabriel,
which I've always found a little suss and that's awesome. Weird,
it's interesting, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I just got memories of being on the beach and
listening to for some reason, the song I Can't Dance,
I Can't talk.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That's that's that's the period. That's that's not my favorite.
Some good ones in there, there's an incredible video for
a song from that era that's like with those weird
rubbery puppets that were kind of a thing like in
the late eighties, with like there's a Ronald Reagan and
like George Bush and all these really macabre, kind of
jim hensity puppets. I think it's called Land of Confusion.
(04:09):
Check that out. It's a it's a real real relic nice.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Also check this out. Brett really did all of these things.
He was hanging out on March twenty seventh, twenty twenty three,
northwest of Atlanta, in a little suburb area over there,
actually really cool suburb, I guess we can say it
Brett in Marietta.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And he looked up the ships there.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
In the Strand Theater. That's that's how I know.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
But he's looking up in the sky. He had his
iPhone fourteen and he was waiting on the I guess
it's the alignment of planets that was happening that night.
He was just getting really excited, so we wanted to
take some pictures. And let's read a bit from the
email that he sent to us. He says, it was
a beautiful, clear night and I I noticed some cool
(05:01):
jet trails illuminated by the moon. I decided to take
a few photos. It took a little over a minute
to take them. The pictures came out awesome, I thought,
and I showed them to my wife. She liked them
and asked what the object in one of the photographs was.
As we looked through the set of about seven pictures,
we noticed objects in five of the pictures along the
(05:21):
jet trail. When I was taking the pictures, I didn't
see these objects at all, but looking carefully at the photos,
I said, wow, I had captured three different UAPs or
I'm old school UFOs.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I called my brother in law and emailed him the
images I'd captured. He is an aeronautical engineer and a
highly experienced photographer. We both decided that we had to
report the sighting. He said to report it to Moufon. Now,
what's the acronym moufon standforge. I know it's like the
pre eminent UFO ufology society.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I've always said the mutual UFO network. I don't know
if the UFO is actually spelled out in their name,
though fair enough going on.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I went to their website and filled out all the
info of my sighting and uploaded the photos to them.
The next day of Moufon field investigator emailed me to
get more information about my sighting. Over the next few days,
he made a thorough investigation of my photos. He also
checked with the FAA Dobbins Air Force Base, which is
very close to my house, the weather conditions and the
(06:23):
astronomical conditions, making sure that no satellites were in the
area of sky where my photographs were taken.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Isn't that cool? Isn't that cool? You can go outside,
just like Brett Watcher of the Skies did, take some photographs,
see something that you don't understand, Send them to this
awesome thing called a move on and they will investigate
it for you. Oh that makes me so happy. That
makes me so so happy. Again. You might be hearing
(06:51):
my son in the background. He's hanging out reading the
Gravity Falls Journal three book and you're having a good
time writer, Okay, kid.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
After your in heart. Gravity Falls is like vaguely conspiratorial, right,
isn't that.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Sort of It's highly conspiratorial. Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I haven't seen a ton of it, but I hear
good things. I know. I mentioned this every time we
get someone reporting one of these things. But I years ago,
when I was touring with the band, I had like
this mini DV camera that I had bought to like document,
you know, the tour and stuff. And I was filming
out the window of the tour van that we were
in over a cornfield in Nebraska, and I saw this
(07:30):
weird like hexagonal thing like hovering in the distance. And
you know, it's really flat in that part of the
country and hard to kind of gauge distance. You know,
I have this tape somewhere. I think it might be
lost to time because I I've looked everywhere through several moves.
I had a big bag of all my mini DV
tapes from those days, which sucks, But who knows. It's
(07:52):
kind of thing that could pop up sometime. But I
am convinced that it was something unusual because I can't
to this day place what it might have been.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, if only you'd sent it into MoveOn NOL.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, I didn't know about Mouffon at the time. There
wasn't even the Internet. I'm kidding, there was the Internet.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, this is just so cool because Brett did send
us the Moufon Journal, where his story is featured on
page six with his photographs and where there's a nice
little write up in there. It's super cool. We would
recommend checking out the May twenty twenty three Moufon journal
and you can find it for yourself. Marietta is mentioned
in the story and you will see a photograph of
(08:30):
the moon, a contrail, and some weird lights along that contrail.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Can you describe it to us a little bit, Matt,
since this is a audio podcast and I have not
had a chance to look at the images yet.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Absolutely, Okay, So we've got kind of in the center
of the photograph a moon that almost has a diamond
shape to it, the way the lensing, the way it's occurring.
You've got a couple contrails that are going diagonally from
the kind of the top left the upper left portion
down to the right lower portion. And if you scroll
(09:05):
through several of the photographs, along the lower contrail, there
are a series of objects that appear to be three
bright lights that are close together. And in one of
the photographs there are clearly three bright lights that are there.
In a couple other ones, they are almost like three
bright streaks that are along the same I guess you
(09:26):
would say horizontal line going across the sky, so they
look like they could almost be jets following along that
same path that the aircraft that left the contrail was following,
but they are not, and according to that Mofon report,
they don't match up with aircraft that were flying across,
you know, from Dobbin's Air Force Base or anything like that,
(09:47):
So it is, I don't know, it's pretty weird, pretty
dang weird.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I think it's so cool that like we're in an
era now where there is some confirmation to these kinds
of stories, like to some degree obviously they're not telling
us everything, but the degree to which the government has
had to respond or acknowledge some of this stuff, and
the level of expertise of folks that are coming out
and confirming these types of sightings, I think it's such
(10:12):
vindication for people that have been like, you know, cast
as cranks or crack pots for so many years. I
think that's just super cool. It's just another example of
how everything's not entirely a garbage fire right now in
the world. There are some positive changes if weighed against
some pretty awful things as well.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, so hey, shout out to Fred Kohler. Who is
the moufon person who did the investigation there. Shout out
to Brett, and huge shout out to Brett's daughter, who
apparently turned him on to stuff they don't want you
to know. And he's been listening now for like five
years because of his daughter. So thank you very very much.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
The kids love stuff they don't want you to know.
We're basically at children's podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. Oh and by the way, I
did speak to Brett for a while. Brett is a
quite fantastic human being.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You're such a thorough voicemail Steward. I love it, Matt.
People are always so thrilled to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
But I didn't get to talk to everybody. But you know, hey,
keep your phones near you if you did leave us
a voicemail, because one of us will try and get
in touch with you at some point. The next person
who left us a voicemail is Alan.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Ken's buddy All his Clothes Fit Him, played by Michael
Sarah in the in the delightful Barbie movie, which I
very much enjoyed. Have you seen it yet, Matt.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I've not seen it yet, but I do like me
some Michael Sarah that guy can't.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Alan's a real fan favorite.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Awesome, Well, here we go. Here is Alan.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Hi, my name is Alan. I was listening to your
Strange News episode on blocking the Sun, and I think
it was Noel that mentioned that what if you made
a giant umbrella for the Earth to block up the sun?
I'm and I was a little surprised to hear you
laughing about it, because that's that's the cheapest and easiest
(12:07):
way to do it, because in outer space you can
build a giant umbrella. It's not terribly difficult, and you
can just build it out of aluminum foil or styrofoam
or what have you, and he'll stay there. I think
the last time I did a.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Back of the envelope calculation on how much it would
cost to build a giant aluminum foil umbrella to decrease
global warming, I think it was something like the entire
United States military's budget on Vagra eighteen billion dollars, which.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Is about one and a half Jerald R four aircraft carriers.
So yeah, that's just my two cents on the subject.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
All Right, Well, first of all, what kind of envelopes
are you doing calculations on to get these figures. That
must be a mailer, like one of those big bubble mailers,
and you must have very tiny This is very impressive.
I do think it came up in the episode, if
that was a thing, if I'm not mistaken, or maybe.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
We did well. No, no, as Alan is correct. As
as we were talking about it, it felt like, I think,
to me personally, you brought it up, and it felt
like such a preposterous thing, like the idea of just
building something that will block the sun like that. In
my head, it's just because it would not only are
you blocking the sun from the heat and you know,
(13:27):
from warming up the planet, you're blocking the sun for
photosynthesis and all these other things that in my mind
would be a terrible idea. But I kind of pupoot it,
and I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I apologize, but well, I mean, even if you use
an umbrella, you're not blocking the entirety of the sun.
Like you can have plants in shade that are getting
like indirect sunlight or whatever. Like I've been trying my
best to not be a plant murderer anymore. So Unfortunately
my house doesn't get a ton of direct sunlight, so
I've had to be very strategic with where I put things,
(13:58):
and I'm realizing more often than not, when my plants die,
it's because they're not getting direct sunlight. In the event
of this umbrella, all those plants in my house are
definitely going to die and they're already not getting enough
sun with just like regular indirect sunlight. So this would
cause a problem, but it wouldn't like kill photosynthesis entirely.
You'd have to be very strategic about where you placed it.
(14:20):
It does make me think of those reflectors people put
in their dark colored cars, and those sure as hell work.
I mean they really really do. We know that these
kinds of things do reflect light and reflect you.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, Now to my back of the old Napkin calculations,
you'd have to make it out of something that's more
of a filter and less of a full on reflector,
which I'm assuming would be way more expensive, I guess,
depending on the material.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And couldn't if you reflected it fully? Couldn't that cause
problems elsewhere in space? I mean, maybe that's a silly
thing to think, but that energy is going somewhere, and
like you know, couldn't wouldn't it travel and potentially cause issue?
I don't know, it's a it's.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
A Here's another question for the more scientificly minded out
there who know stuff about this. If you had something
like a giant reflective or filtering umbrella in space between
the Earth and the Sun. If there was a chronal
mass ejection or something like that, a huge solar flare
(15:24):
that was sending charged particles towards the Earth, could you
deflect that energy or would it just travel right through
that stuff?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, I mean, isn't the ozone layer essentially a filter,
Like it's filtering out certain bad things that are in
you know, the solar rays that come. And the problem
that we're having is because of the depletion of the
ozone layer, so it's no longer acting as efficiently as
it once did. I mean, how cool is that? Like
speaking of like, you know, Goldilocks type situations like that,
(15:54):
our planet not only came with all of the I
guess conditions to promote life, but also is wrapped in
this like thin candy shell that prevents us from getting
fried by the sun that also supplies its power and
like another aspect of life and growth on Earth.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Nice work science or I guess yeah, whatever that thing is.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
This This is call it that this is. Call it
the Goldielocks, the Three Bears in the Sky.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's a great song. If it hasn't been written already,
somebody out there write it. All right, Hey, with that,
we're gonna take a quick break here a word from
our sponsor, and then come back with more of your voicemails.
And we've returned just to harken back to Alan's message.
(16:49):
As we record, it is ninety four degrees fahrenheit in Atlanta,
which is thirty four point four to four degrees celsius.
Everyone else out there in Phoenix, Arizona today it's a
balmy one hundred and ten degrees fahrenheit.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, balmy in hell, yes, Jeeze Louise. I mean we
hear stories about like Arizona. You know, people cooking eggs
on the hoods of their car and like plastic product
just melting outside. You know what I mean. It's insane.
It's like the opposite of that level of cold you
hear about in like Antarctica, where if you pour a
(17:23):
coca cola, it like freezes midstream before it hits the glass.
I mean, it's it's wild. Have you heard the term
that's being thrown around lately, Matt global boiling oh as
opposed to warming. I think the warming it was a
very generous, kind of like sugar coating. That now is
like a kind of absurd. It's hot. It's not warm,
(17:46):
It's it's hot.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's really hot. Strangely enough, in Maui, Hawaii, where there
were just terrible, terrible fires, a massive tragedy. It is
only eighty three degrees fahrenheit, which is twenty eight point
three to three celsius. One hundred and ten degrees fahrenheit,
by the way, is forty three point.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Three to three celsius. The math brain on Matt.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Uh yehah, I could do temperatures. Boy, I love that.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Are you doing that on the fly or do you
have some sort of calculator that.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
You I wrote it in the dock, dude.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Oh okay, I was impressed, and now I'm still impressed.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Come on, Dipper, let's call all right, that's okay, it's
just one person. We'll understand that I'm trying to do.
Seuss uh Okay, here we go. Next message comes to
us from Ranger.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Smith out there defending picnic baskets. You know from what
was it a large marge no hank the tank that
ended up not being a hank it all.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh yeah, the bear just snatching up picknip.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Grass smarter than the average.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Ranger Smith has this to say.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
My name is Rangers Smith.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
And the episode you guys were talking about banned books.
I was I'm kind of surprised that you didn't mention
the National Library of Congress's Delta Library, where there's the
sets of books where they cannot be allowed to the
pup through their high pornography or other's certain content, and
the other thing is banned book wise. There are books
in the National Library and I believe the University of
(19:22):
Michigan Library they are boomed in human flesh that are
not available to the public. I thought you guys might
want to be considered about those things as banned books
as well. Polculator Bye Red.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Band books you know, like those trailers that are.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Really oh yeah not adult trailers.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah at the Big Red you know warning on the beginning,
that's how you know it's going to be good. I'm sorry,
Bound in human flesh like the Necronomicon and the Evil
Dead movies? Like are these like grimoires? Like what are
we talking? I guess maybe they could also be from
like other cultures, and you know, perhaps even some Nazi stuff.
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Well, it's some real stuff. It's called anthropodermic bibliopagy.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Bibliopogy not only take you ten tries off, Mike.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, sorry about that. I don't know the words.
Very strange. It's a real thing. You can look up
an Atlantic article titled it was once somewhat common to
bind books with human skin.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Where is human skin coming from?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's where I learned about this for the first time.
The human skin is just you know, any old human skin. Now,
I'm just joking.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I haven't read much about this. I just wanted to
confirm that it was an actual thing, and it was.
It was a type of bookbinding that occurred, which is
kind of creepy. If you imagine you didn't have any
leather from like cow or you know, other animals that
have a thick hide, maybe you could use human skin,
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and I guess people did.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, you know what I was thinking about the other day,
concerning band stuff or like censorship or whatever. Are you
familiar with the concept of video nasties video nasties?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
No, what is this I thought we.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Maybe had discussed it at some point. There is this
era in the UK in the eighties where like there's
this organization called the National Viewers and Listeners Association that
is essentially kind of like what happened with like censorship
of music. Here in the States, we're cracking down on
violent films, and the British Board of Film Classification they
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were being a bit more strict about what kinds of
things could make it into theatrical release, but there was
a loophole that apparently allowed videos VHS's, things that went
direct to video to bypass this whole process, and that
created this whole kind of like culture of really horrifically
violent kind of DIY horror that were referred to as
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video nasties. And there would be these like raids that
would take place sometimes on video stores or places where
you you know, you could get this stuff. And since
these things weren't like promoted really and you had to
kind of be in the loop to know what they were,
a lot of times the agents or whomever we're doing
the raids would like confiscate copies of things that had
like dubious titles but that were completely innocuous like the
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best little Whorehouse in Texas and things like that that
were you know, Oh no, this is definitely pornography. But
it's not even about pornography per se. It's really more
about these kind of like Grizzly sort of like you know,
Dawn of the Dead kind of like you know, DIY,
Blood and Guts kind of films and just an interesting
period that a lot of people don't really think about.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Dude, Yeah, I had no idea. Thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
No, wow, okay, I only it might be something that
we might explore one day, because it really is. Like
the Wikipedia article runs deep, my friend, it's a big
old It's not a stump or a stub at all.
It's a it's a big beefy boy.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Well, you know what also runs deep The Library of
Congress's interest in sexuality in the world, at least right
around the time of World War Two.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Isn't that interesting considering what a prudish country we've historically
been that like, behind the scenes, are they looking for deviants? Like?
Where does this interest come from?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I think that's exactly what it was. It's it was
a way of keeping these things as record, but also
protecting the public from them. You can read all about
the Delta Collection d lta collection that the Library of
Congress has had, has maintained at least until the sixties,
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and then it kind of changed a little bit. You
can read all about it. There is a really cool
project I found online called Delta Collection dot Omika O
m e ka dot net and you can browse some
of the items that have historically been kept there as
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part of the Delta Collection. Very very interesting things. The
top title here is Whipping Club, an account of some
of the activities of a number of lovely women who
have men in their power.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So this is like S and M type stuff, or
like bondagey type culture.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, you also have things like nudism exposed as told
by an ex nudist, the author and anonymous doctor.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I love all of that's fabulous. The anonymous doctor is
the cherry on top. But I love the idea of
being a nudist. It's like, you know, we're all nudists
of a certain hour, I imagine. But I saw an
article that came out today, I think on Vice that
was apparently there's this whole hubbub in Spain where like
nudists who there's these like famous nude beaches in Spain
(24:59):
are tourists who come with their clothes on to get
right out of town. Like, if you're not gonna be
part of our world, then don't come trying to dip
your toe in our ocean. Yeah, Matt, speaking of these
types of collections, I want Sorry, I keep doing pop
culture stuff, but that's just sort of my thing. I
(25:21):
have been revisiting and also visiting for the first time
the films of Park Chan Wook, who as an excellent
Korean director who did Old Boy, directed the film Old Boy,
which is a favorite, and you know, did the Vengeance
trilogy Old what was the third aided sympathy for Mister Vengeance,
then Lady Vengeance, and then Old Boy. He has a
(25:41):
film called The Handmaiden that is it's like he's really
big into adapting like British kind of period novels and
making them Korean and like kind of I don't know,
folding it into Korean culture. And he does it so seamlessly.
It's kind of incredible. You'd never know that it was adapted.
But it's sort of almost this Oliver Twist type story
(26:02):
where there's like a Fagan type character like a den
of thieves that you know, this guy's the leader and
he has this really elaborate grift and I'm not gonna
spoil any things. It has more twists than a Pratzel.
But there is a plot line in it involving erotic
Japanese books, which is a thing. There's a whole culture
of like, you know, ancient erotic books with illustrations that
(26:25):
are very graphic and descriptions that are like, you know,
meant to to titillate and arouse, and that's a big
part of the film. And I did not realize quite
how far back and deep that culture goes.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
See, I had no idea either. I'd love that. I
love all of that.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You should watch The Handmaid and it's excellent and has
one of the most truly tender and intense same sex
erotic scenes that I think I've ever seen in a film.
It's a very very cool, empowering, you know, kind of
queer positive type message, but also a rollicking adventure with
(27:04):
daddy's galore and absolutely stunning cinematography.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Wow, I'm just over here getting excited to read sex
control curious customs of medieval times. Sorry, no good, please.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's important to enrich ourselves with this stuff. And you know,
we think of the past as being inherently like prudish,
like I was saying about, but that's sort of more
of a modern constructor a thing that religions sort of
you know, uh created, I guess, you know, taking all
of these things just kind of went underground. And honestly,
people in the past were even hornier than we are,
(27:41):
man and like really you know, figured out interesting ways
to use the stuff they had to to get get
get frisky.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yes, definitely, let's let's uh, let's break from this one.
Thank you so much for that message, Ranger Smith. Let
us jump over to Frank.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Can I just say that this is my favorite nickname
in the history of nicknames, I think for this show,
you know what I think?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I agree?
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Hey guys, this is the code name Frank Lloyd Wrong.
There is a program in the sustainable building world, or
the effort of making buildings more green and sustainable, called
the LEAD Program spelled LED, And while on the surface
it seems like a very good program to support the
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sustainable architecture and development of buildings, there's a little bit
of a darker side to it. Buildings a lot of
times can get tax cuts or different reimbursements for following
LEAD guidelines or getting their building LEAD certified. And these
certifications are based on things like whether you have a
green roof or solar panels, or things like electrical vehicle
(28:56):
parking spots and charging stations. I guess the dark side
of it is that a lot of buildings will kind
of cheat the system and get the LEAD certification even
though they are not any more sustainable than most other buildings.
For example, there's a lot of buildings on the Las
(29:17):
Vegas Strip that are lit up like Christmas trees and
found to be way less efficient than regular buildings, but
by doing little things like having a certain number of
electrical vehicle spots or just little things here and there,
they can get that LEAD certification. So kind of interesting
that some of these guys are cheating the system a
(29:39):
little bit. And I'm sure you guys have seen it.
The orb or the ball that they're building in Las Vegas.
I think that you guys might have seen pictures of that.
Looks kind of creepy and kind of cool at the
same time. I think will probably be one of these
buildings as well. Once again, keep up the great work.
Love the show, thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
By is the the orb of the thing that can
like project crazy stuff like in like a kind of
a dome thing that you can see from.
Speaker 10 (30:07):
Like the air.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, my understanding is that it's a venue inside that thing.
And then on the exterior of it, Yeah, you can
turn it into a giant eyeball or a snow globe
or you know, a promo for a boxing match or
whatever you need.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
But is it like three dimensional? Is it like actually
like a hologram? I saw a thing that somebody it
was It was definitely faked. It was like somebody you know,
went to town with CGI on it. But it was
like literally looking like a giant hand or something like.
It's not done yet, right, like so that these things
aren't actually being projected. But I'm trying to understand how
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close to the crazy over the top version that this
person made it will it actually be?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Well, Okay, maybe I'm wrong, guys, but I thought it's
called the Sphere at the Venetian Resort, and my under oh,
it is a venue. Yeah, here we go five hundred
and eighty thousand square feet of programmable LED panels.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So yeah, it's not a hologram. It's just it's constrained
by the surface area of the thing. But it can
like yeah, it can be a giant eye, it can
be you know, but it can't like shoot out crazy
like blade runner holograms beyond the bounds of this epcot
kind of thing. But wild and so okay?
Speaker 10 (31:25):
Are we.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Are we to say that we are surprised that people
that make their money from building things as quickly and
cheaply as possible are trying to save money and doing
it maybe legally. Well, well it's not illegal, though, it's
a loopholes. That's you know, it's all about like the
law is sort of you know, irrelevant here because it's
(31:48):
so easy to find these loopholes, and it just goes
to show how inefficient some of the these certifications are
sort of toothless and meaningless because you can offset it
in so many other ways.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well, this gets so murky, some of this stuff, the
greenification of different things that have not been quote green
for a long time, right, changing practices like building practices
or building vehicles, and how fuel efficient they are, all
of these things. It does feel like over time we've
seen cheaters, you know, who try and cheat the whole system,
(32:22):
like that one car company, the Deutscho one, the Volkswagen
bod yes yes, yes, where people at Chicha.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Box it's my Cheeta box attempt to cheat.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
The system to you know, meet minimum requirements in order
to do things like being able to continue selling their
product or to get certain tax breaks right so that
creating and selling your product can be affordable and you
can make enough of a profit.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
The Volkswagen thing was like totally illegal though, and they were,
they were, you know, cheating the system in a way
that was not even like following the loophole rule, Like
they went above and beyond installing a thing that was
meant to be a secret. But we just know that
even with like carbon offsets and like the idea of
like how do we you know, act like we're being
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good stewards of the environment while being able to continue
to operate business as usual. You know, that's the kind
of stuff that I think is most galling because you're
gonna have folks that are like brazenly breaking the rules,
but the rules in general are kind of not really
doing a whole hell of a lot, or there's always
a way to kind of figure out how to get
around it.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, yeah, we didn't even see what LEAD is. By
the way, what it stands for it is all caps
L E ED. It's an acronym stands for Leadership in
Energy and Environmental Design. Yeah, everywhere I've looked it is
a worldwide program, So it's not just in the US,
not just any you know, any one town, one city,
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one state, or country. You can get LEAD certified pretty
much anywhere where you're doing construction or you know, some
kind of fixing of a building, updating of a building.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I remember our previous office, they had a thing where
in order to get certain certifications, they had to kill
the air conditioning in the whole office space, like after
like four five o'clock or whatever. It was not on
at all on the weekends. That was specifically to get
some kind of tax break or certification, and it sucked
when we were there. I mean, I'm all about, you know,
(34:24):
saving energy and all of these things, but little stuff
like that seems to me to be more saving them
on their heating, on their cooling bill than it is
to actually like do any kind of like big picture,
you know, positive change for the environment. But maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
No, No, it's it's everything, and that is great. It's
everything like that energy efficiency, water efficiency materials that are
being used in creating the project, right. I mean, that's
that's really some of the main things. But I think
what what Frank Lloyd wrong is pointing to is that
you can you can kind of mess up your energy
efficiency and it can be pretty pretty crap. But if
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you put in enough you know, as you said, electric
charge whatever you know, stations and then.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Here don't look at any of this thumb over here
though it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well, it's like it's this concept of carbon offsetting, right
where I can generate a ton of pollution as a company,
but if I pay a bunch of money and offset
my carbon by you know, investing in this other stuff
or doing these other things, then my carbon gets canceled out.
Only it doesn't not really, which is kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Even certain municipalities have like regulations in place that at
the end of the day, are kind of just inconvenient
to like homeowners. You know, I had an issue where
my water was in the wrong name with this house
that that I bought a year a little over a
year ago, and my water got cut off and in
order to get it cut back on. I had to
have They wouldn't just cut it back on. They had
(35:53):
to send somebody to inspect my fixtures and like my
toilet and make sure it was like a low flow toilet.
When I bought the house, I saw that the toilets
had the little you know, two for pooh, one for
for pee or whatever buttons. I just thought that was
like a cool modern update. But those are like mandated here.
Oh really at yeah, And like they had to come
check make sure those were installed. And they also like
(36:14):
they even to pass us. He kind of like did
it on the hush hush, but switched out our shower
head to one that he had on him so he
could take a picture of it, and then like gave
us the shower. I'm not I'm not doxing the guy.
I'm just saying these little things they don't ultimately amount
to a hell of a lot except for like more
(36:36):
red tape and like you know, a pain in the
butt for like the small guys like me and you.
With the big companies, they can get around doing it
in so many ways. You know, it's it's sad.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I had an uncle in law once tell me the
secret of removing all the what was it, the the
water suppression that's going on in your house on all
your faucets, Like you can take it all off. You
get as much water in your shower as you want.
Man for like water pressure, Yeah, to get crazy water
pressure in your shower. Those Uh, there are pairly tricks
(37:10):
to do that. But I don't want to waste the water.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Well no, I mean again, water we know, we talk
about this all the time on the show, is probably
gonna be one of the big bones of contention and
like a situation leading to some future you know mad
Max type war. You know, in terms of like who
controls the water resources. That is something we absolutely need.
And we see water disputes all the time between you know,
(37:35):
states that share water supplies and all of that. And
as we know, you know, if there is it's I mean,
I guess there's the is there more water being made?
Is there a finite amount of water?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, dude? Can you can't you synthesize water? H and
the two and the O is not a thing you
can do? Or no, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh yeah, dude, we're producing water all over this place
with these desalination plants. No, I'm just joking. It is
really expensive to do that, apparently, and difficult. So we've
talked about that before in the past, Like why don't
we just have desalination plants everywhere? No, it's not as
easy as that.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I am being a bit of a dumb dumb and
I'm not I'm not joking, Like it's is it all
from like the water cycle and like you know, rain
and like things like moving through the ecosystem, Like if
rain stops happening, is water inevitably going to dry up?
Speaker 10 (38:23):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Is it all just based on the balance of like
these systems kind of and we're depending on them and
the temperature and the global conditions being right, and if
something screwed it up, could is it? Is it gonna
go real real wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, it's it's all one. It's all one connecting system, right,
And there are ways, there's technology and we've figured out
ways to I guess get like pull more water from
the air right through the humidity. If you think about
something like a dehumidifier, how does that work. It pulls
the humidity out of the air well. Yeah, it pulls
(38:59):
humidity out of the air and it turns it into liquid.
Water in a reservoir, right, So theoretically you could do that.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
It did say in the instructions from a dehumidifier not
to drink the water that is produced in the little
trough or whatever. But then it goes back to things
like graywater. You know, where you can use graywater for
certain things. You wouldn't want to drink it or bathe
in it, but you can use it to like water
plants and things like that.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Now, look, I don't know this for sure. I would
speculate that that warning is more about the receptacle where
the water goes and how it just sits there, because
theoretically that is distilled water, and it would be some
of the cleanest water you could have access to right now,
because it's literally just water pulled directly out of the air.
(39:47):
If you could find a way to make sure the
receptacle was always clean, then that water would be super drinkable.
In my head, If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, that is
what that's my understanding of how dehumidifiers work.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
At the very least, surely there would be a way
to purify it or to like filter it, or to
run it through something in a pinch, right like I
always think of water World where they pee into the
thing and they drink it. That's not real. But it
also I recently had some landscaping work done in my
backyard and I installed what's called a rain garden. It's
these giant they're called burns, and they're these sort of
(40:21):
like pits where there's a tree plant in the middle
of it, but there are these two sort of mulchy
kind of like pits, and they're not ugly that they
look nice, but they fill up with water. And there's
a rain garden registry which I'm a part of, and
apparently rain gardens put an insane amount of water back
into the water table. They would normally just go to
(40:42):
runoff or like go you know, down storm drains and
stuff and become useless. So that's me doing my part, y'all.
I'm gonna drink my humidifier water and use my rain garden.
Matt told me it was okay to drink. I heard
what I heard.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
If it's truly distilled and it is clean. Okay, let's
take another break. We'll come right back with just a
few more messages from you. Okay, we are back, and
this is a message we got from Tim, and it
(41:21):
does come with a warning, sorry to do this, you know,
towards the end of an episode. But sometimes we get
suggestions from you that are a little tougher than others.
This is a really it's it's a messed up story.
It's horrifying, actually, and it's worth our time because it
(41:44):
is disturbing. It deserves more attention because a lot of
people don't know about it, and we're going to talk
about it. But just a little warning. There's a message
from Tim that is gonna upset you.
Speaker 10 (41:55):
Here we go, Hi, It's Tim. I live in Michigan.
I grew up sailing in the Great Lakes. Jeffrey Epstein
wasn't the first person to run an island of underaged children.
Boss Islands in Michigan. Gentleman named Sheldon from the Detroit
area bought them and turned them into a child porn
video ring. He got busted and got into a bunch
(42:16):
of trouble. It's kind of interesting reading about it. It's
even more interesting when you start looking at pictures of
the island today because they're still sitting there with a
bunch of the buildings on them, built an airstrip, basically
just shuttle kids back and forth to film the having sex.
World's pretty dumb. Anyways, I live in Traverse City. I've
(42:38):
always found this case to be kind of interesting, and
you guys may have covered it at one point, but
pretty du they also tie him to the child murders
of this time, there's four missing children in the Detroit area.
They may have tied it to somebody else officially, but
there was a lot of speculation for a long time.
Made for a good story. Every good night, do anything
(43:00):
I wouldn't do.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Okay, I do not know this story at all. Okay,
it sounds like something out of a girl with the
Dragon tattoo type, you know, crime fiction situation that is insane.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, it does sound a lot like that. This is
something nol I know, Ben and I have had conversations about,
and I want to say we've talked about it briefly
in the past. But when I was looking through all
of our records, I couldn't find a specific story like
a video, you know, a podcast episode. What Tim is
mentioning here is a place, a physical place called North
(43:39):
Fox Island that you can find in Michigan, and there's
also South Fox Island just below it. This was a
private island for a time, and it was owned by
the person Tim mentioned, mister Francis Duffield du f F
I E L D. Sheldon s H E L D
(44:02):
E N. And there was a documentary that was made
on what was that investigation discovery I D Discovery, I
think is what it was called for a while. There
is a I think it's a two part series titled
Children of the Snow Snow. You can find that it
was produced gosh, I want to say back in twenty nineteen.
Maybe it might have been even been created in twenty eighteen,
(44:26):
but it's a it's a pretty extensive accounting of what
this person was doing on that island, and a breakdown
of the other child murders there were, as Tim said,
there were child murders in the same area where this
child exploitation abuse terror generation machine was functioning, run by
(44:51):
this person, Sheldon, at least allegedly, I guess you have
to say allegedly because the guy ended up escaping. This
is why it's so horrifying and messed up.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I'm sorry I missed this. When is this what era
is this meant to have taken place?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
This is nineteen seventies. I want to say maybe sixties
as well. I think it's right around the time of
the Atlanta Missing murdered stuff too. This is really crazy, Okay,
So let's read from a local newspaper there in Traverse City.
This is the Traverse City Record Eagle. You can find
(45:30):
this article right now if you check it out. The
title is Children of the Snow uses DNA to shed
light on cold Oakland County case and it was published
February nineteenth, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
All right, I'll read a bit. Sheldon was a land developer,
oil consultant, market investor, and author who never married. He
was the sole owner of North Fox Island. The island
is now owned by the state of Michigan and is
part of the Beaver Island State Wildlife Research Area. File
ring included well to do businessmen, politicians, and other rich
(46:03):
and powerful men who would take children to the island
to have sex with them and make films or distributed
around the world. As the story goes.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Jesus, Yeah, right, So, according to the Treverse City Record Eagle,
Sheldon and others were able to attract children through his
brother Paul's Children's Mission.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Like in a religious organization hmmm.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
And a supposed nature camp for quote underprivileged children that
was on the island. Many people, according to the paper here,
saw Francis Sheldon as a generous benefactor who took youths
on hunting trips to the island, skiing trips in Aspen,
and beach parties at his family's estate in the Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
This is true Detective Season one man, so they must
have been aware of the story, like all of the aspects,
the attracting using a benevolent you know, forward facing organization.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Oh yeah, and it also sound so familiar to me.
That's why it's like weird to me. Out feels like
I've talked about this, or at least we wanted to
talk about it, but maybe used too dark for one
reason or another at some point, or I don't know,
but we need to talk about it further because this
guy also set up trust funds for these kids that
he abused, for several of them. At least. Let's get
just to the end of this article here to find
(47:20):
out why we should all be really mad.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Search warrants and an arrest warrant for criminal sexual conduct
were issued for Sheldon in nineteen seventy six, but Sheldon
had already cleared out his Ann Arbor home and his
cabin on North Fox. Apparently prompted by the arrest of
an associate, Gerald S. Richards, on criminal sexual conduct charges.
Sheldon fled to the Netherlands, which at the time rarely
(47:43):
extradited those one for crimes in the United States. He
was reported dead in nineteen ninety six, but some think
he may have established a new identity and continues to
operate as a pedophile. He would be eighty or eighty
one today. I mean, if there's someone that could arrange
these types of things, Matt, it's someone like this. I mean,
let's just go back to the laundry list, land developer,
(48:05):
oil consultant, market investor. I mean that I see what
you mean about the anger. I mean it's all absolutely
rage inducing. But the idea that someone could get tipped off,
potentially by the authorities or someone who's part of this
(48:26):
ring and then just figure out how to disappear and
set up shop somewhere else, you.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Know, according to Tim I talked to Tim by the
way on the phone, and according to him, and according
to that documentary that was produced and from you know,
a lot of the reporting on this, we're talking about
very wealthy, powerful individuals that were taking part in this
thing allegedly. And that means if you've got, you know,
(48:55):
a ring leader like this person Sheldon, who was rich
and powerful, and all the people working with him are
rich and powerful, it means you probably would get tipped
off and you maybe could fly either privately or secretly
to the Netherlands and then stay there for twenty years
and never have to face consequences. And that it's infuriating,
(49:17):
and it just it makes you want to bring the
batman out right, the batman inside all of us. We're
just we're not billionaires, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
No, but it's like this level of just ability to
skirt the law due to power and influence can only
ever be matched by vigilanteism, unfortunately, because the system isn't
designed to catch these people. Well, you're at a certain
level of influence, You've got people within the system in
(49:50):
your pocket, you know. And I mean, I'm not to
say that everyone in politics or everyone you know in
law enforcement is some sort of psychotic pedophile. Certainly not
the case case. But all you need is one or two,
you know, people that have your back and can give
you the heads up, and just that happens, it happens.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
All that has happened is there needs to be a
network of money, right, and we're talking about donations, like
campaign donations something like that that get started at one
small level and moves its way up and now everybody's connected,
and no powerful politician that has nothing to do with
this wants to be involved with somebody who is involved
(50:31):
with this stuff through a campaign donation, which means you
kind of get somebody on a hook if you know,
let's say you're a powerful person that finds out you
just got you know, your campaign got supported heavily by
someone taking part in something like this. Would you want
anyone to know? Probably not.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Maybe you would help the money.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, But again that's all that's all alleged, that's all theoretical.
Everything I just said, it's just you could feel that
something like that might be true. One last thing I
want to say about this, NOL there's a huge FBI
vault entry for this, that's vault dot FBI dot gov.
Who talks about Francis Sheldon And it's just all kinds
(51:13):
of intel that they've got on this person. Conversations with
other people about him, some what appears to be some
spying that was done on this guy. Just lots of
information gathering. There's a connection to someone that popped up
in our research for that ab scam episode, a guy
named Adam Aristotle Starchild aka Malcolm McConaughey. And this is
(51:41):
this is very weird, nol. It's a weird connection. And
it makes me feel like this ring is not just
isolated there to the Great Lakes, to the Detroit area
and you know, to Traverse City, Michigan.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
I mean, I would I would imagine that things of
this Who if you figured out how to make it
work to this degree, why wouldn't there be people from
international people involved? You know what I mean? Like, it's
like this is the the you're in the catbird seat.
If you're a freaking pedophile, this is like where you
want to be, you know, this is like the kind
(52:13):
of stuff that Epstein was was involved in. This is
this worse? Is it worse? It's it's I think it's worse.
This is worse.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
This is Look, I don't know, it's hard. It's hard
to say.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
In my mind, it's worse because it's kids it's filmed,
it's sold. There are other people around, you know the world,
that were watching this stuff, and there were stakeholders basically
in this ring, this horrifying evil thing. But let's let's
just let's stay here with this abscam connection because I
(52:47):
found this fascinating. I stumbled on this through the Wikipedia
entry for Adam Starchild. This guy, uh, Malcolm McConaughey. I'm
just gonna read directly from this quote. In nineteen seventy seven,
the Traverse City Record Eagle, the one we just read
from that same local paper, reported that this guy Starchild
(53:08):
was involved in a number of supposed charitable organizations funded
by a wealthy Michigander, Francis Duffield Sheldon. Here are those things.
The Church of the New Revelation of Kearnie that's in
New Jersey, Brother Paul's Children's Mission on North Fox Island,
that's the one we just mentioned, The Educational Foundation for
(53:31):
Youth of Illinois, and the Ocean Living Institute of New Jersey,
the last allegedly devoted to underwater habitats, agriculture, ocean architecture,
and ocean law, which were said to be tax dodges
and fronts for sexual activity involving boys. So that's in
(53:52):
New Jersey and in Illinois. In Michigan, it looks as
though it sounds as though, again we're going by a
Wikipedia article here that's, you know, based off of writing
from the Traverse City Record Eagle. But it seems as
though this operation was huge.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Certainly, does Matt please tell me you got something a
little lighter to wrap this? I mean important. One hundred
percent of this stuff is absolutely critical to understand that
this kind of evil exists in the world. But we'd
love a little palate cleanser after that one. Thank you
so much to the listener that wrote it.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
I mean, yeah, no, you're right, Thank you, Tim, You're
you're absolutely right, Nol. We do have a palate cleanser.
We've got a message here from Zach to end the episode.
We love messages like all of these that we've listened
to today. Thank you so much to everybody who sent
them in In particular, lately, messages like the one we're
(54:47):
about to play from Zach have been extremely helpful for
us to come up with new ideas for like what
what can we cover, what's interesting, what you know, what's
in your neck? Of the woods. What should we be
thinking about? So again, Tim as well, we need to
be talking about this. We're going to talk about it.
But here's Zach's message.
Speaker 9 (55:07):
This is Zach.
Speaker 7 (55:08):
I'm originally from Alaska, and I wondered if you guys
had the idea of just how many wild miss legends
and other weird stories there are. There is a local
legend in Anchorage, Alaska of a theater at the university
called the Wendy Williamson Auditorium that has some wild ghost stories.
(55:29):
We also have our own lake Monster. We have our
own triangle where people get lost, disappear, et cetera, and
quite a few rather unique UFO settings. Native of Alaskans
also have this legend of tiny men that bring really
bad luck along with them. I think it would be
a great episode. I hope you guys do awesome and
(55:53):
you know, watch your backs.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
They don't watch it now, some regional lore you do.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Well, it's it's uh, it's just lighthearted enough to you know,
to be fun. It's a little ghost haunting. We can
handle that.
Speaker 8 (56:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
It makes you want to travel to Alaska, though.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
I spend some time and a super producer Paul Mission
controlled Deck and spend some time in Alaska for the
Missing series. Wonder if those fellas heard anything about this stuff.
I mean they were probably slammed getting podcast audio, But no,
I've never It makes sense being such a it's an
unusual place, you know, the way it stays light out
(56:39):
like all the time. There's certain other worldly qualities about
Alaska for sure, So and it's not exactly a lot
going on, so it makes sense that there would be,
you know, stories that would develop over time, you know,
through like the oral tradition.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Oh yeah, well I want to go, and Paul, you
won't have to rent a boat this time. I think
that was the biggest headache, at least for my discussions
with you and Ben. But uh yeah, we've got to
do that. Check out Alaska's lore. We want to we
want to do more travel. So if we've got an
excuse to go somewhere as a show, we're gonna take it.
(57:18):
Why not give us some cool excuses for us to
give our bosses or like reasons to travel. It would
be awesome. Well's Steah.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Our co host Ben has gotten himself into another one
of those international situations. We are certenglement perhaps, Oh yes,
oh yes, We're certain he'll find his way back home soon.
We are joined today, as always by the one and
only Paul Mission Control A decand and guys, today we're
diving into the old voicemail box.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is a boxer a bag? I guess if it's a
letter as it's a bag, but voicemail it's a box.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Weird, my son says, dude, I babes. Yes, but we're
going to pull out some of the most thought provoking
stuff that you have been sending us over the past
couple of months. And before we get started, just want
to put it out there if you want to send
us a message, it's super simple.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Dial that's one eighty three three std WYTK. It's literally
that easy. The S and the T and the D
and the W and the Y and the T and
the K correspond to alpha numerica characters on your phone keypad.
But you can figure that out right.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Oh yes, And let us begin with a sighting in
the skies above the Atlanta metro area.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
What I didn't hear about this? I live in the
Atlanta metro area.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, this message comes to us from Brett Watcher of
the Skies.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Hi, Ben, Matt Noel, This is Brett Watcher of the Skies.
I was just leaving you a voice mail to let
you know that I have sent you some photos of
UAV that I took. I thought I had sent them
(02:05):
to you in early May, along with a little letter
of explanation, but I found out today that it wasn't sent.
So I'm hoping you get the letter and the photos.
I think they're quite remarkable. And it actually got picked
(02:26):
up and published in Mufon in their May magazine. It
was the top or first story on page six. And
my name again is Brett Watcher of the Skies. Thank
you well.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
First of all, Brett, can I say I really hope
that you got your nickname from the Incredible Genesis song
from the Good Days of Genesis when Peter Gabriel was
the front person on the album. Foxtrot is an amazing
opening track called Watcher of the Skies that's like Prague
King Crimson meets like Tool or something. It's not the
genesis of Phil Collins fame that many might be familiar with.
(03:04):
So if you're into that kind of music, sort of
like science fiction y fairy music that sounds like it
could be in like a D and D campaign, check
out Foxtrot by Genesis.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That sounds like a lot of fun. But I will
take the drummer singer any day of the week.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, he's great, don't get me wrong. Phil's got his thing.
But like the Peter Gabriel era, it's weird actually because
Phil Collins, I guess, from singing backup for so long
with Peter, sort of learned to sing exactly like Peter Gabriel,
which I've always found a little suss and that's awesome. Weird,
it's interesting, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I just got memories of being on the beach and
listening to for some reason, the song I Can't Dance,
I Can't talk.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That's that's that's the period. That's that's not my favorite.
Some good ones in there, there's an incredible video for
a song from that era that's like with those weird
rubbery puppets that were kind of a thing like in
the late eighties, with like there's a Ronald Reagan and
like George Bush and all these really macabre, kind of
jim hensity puppets. I think it's called Land of Confusion.
(04:09):
Check that out. It's a it's a real real relic nice.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Also check this out. Brett really did all of these things.
He was hanging out on March twenty seventh, twenty twenty three,
northwest of Atlanta, in a little suburb area over there,
actually really cool suburb, I guess we can say it
Brett in Marietta.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And he looked up the ships there.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
In the Strand Theater. That's that's how I know.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
But he's looking up in the sky. He had his
iPhone fourteen and he was waiting on the I guess
it's the alignment of planets that was happening that night.
He was just getting really excited, so we wanted to
take some pictures. And let's read a bit from the
email that he sent to us. He says, it was
a beautiful, clear night and I I noticed some cool
(05:01):
jet trails illuminated by the moon. I decided to take
a few photos. It took a little over a minute
to take them. The pictures came out awesome, I thought,
and I showed them to my wife. She liked them
and asked what the object in one of the photographs was.
As we looked through the set of about seven pictures,
we noticed objects in five of the pictures along the
(05:21):
jet trail. When I was taking the pictures, I didn't
see these objects at all, but looking carefully at the photos,
I said, wow, I had captured three different UAPs or
I'm old school UFOs.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I called my brother in law and emailed him the
images I'd captured. He is an aeronautical engineer and a
highly experienced photographer. We both decided that we had to
report the sighting. He said to report it to Moufon. Now,
what's the acronym moufon standforge. I know it's like the
pre eminent UFO ufology society.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I've always said the mutual UFO network. I don't know
if the UFO is actually spelled out in their name,
though fair enough going on.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I went to their website and filled out all the
info of my sighting and uploaded the photos to them.
The next day of Moufon field investigator emailed me to
get more information about my sighting. Over the next few days,
he made a thorough investigation of my photos. He also
checked with the FAA Dobbins Air Force Base, which is
very close to my house, the weather conditions and the
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astronomical conditions, making sure that no satellites were in the
area of sky where my photographs were taken.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Isn't that cool? Isn't that cool? You can go outside,
just like Brett Watcher of the Skies did, take some photographs,
see something that you don't understand, Send them to this
awesome thing called a move on and they will investigate
it for you. Oh that makes me so happy. That
makes me so so happy. Again. You might be hearing
(06:51):
my son in the background. He's hanging out reading the
Gravity Falls Journal three book and you're having a good
time writer, Okay, kid.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
After your in heart. Gravity Falls is like vaguely conspiratorial, right,
isn't that.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Sort of It's highly conspiratorial. Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I haven't seen a ton of it, but I hear
good things. I know. I mentioned this every time we
get someone reporting one of these things. But I years ago,
when I was touring with the band, I had like
this mini DV camera that I had bought to like document,
you know, the tour and stuff. And I was filming
out the window of the tour van that we were
in over a cornfield in Nebraska, and I saw this
(07:30):
weird like hexagonal thing like hovering in the distance. And
you know, it's really flat in that part of the
country and hard to kind of gauge distance. You know,
I have this tape somewhere. I think it might be
lost to time because I I've looked everywhere through several moves.
I had a big bag of all my mini DV
tapes from those days, which sucks, But who knows. It's
(07:52):
kind of thing that could pop up sometime. But I
am convinced that it was something unusual because I can't
to this day place what it might have been.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, if only you'd sent it into MoveOn NOL.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, I didn't know about Mouffon at the time. There
wasn't even the Internet. I'm kidding, there was the Internet.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, this is just so cool because Brett did send
us the Moufon Journal, where his story is featured on
page six with his photographs and where there's a nice
little write up in there. It's super cool. We would
recommend checking out the May twenty twenty three Moufon journal
and you can find it for yourself. Marietta is mentioned
in the story and you will see a photograph of
(08:30):
the moon, a contrail, and some weird lights along that contrail.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Can you describe it to us a little bit, Matt,
since this is a audio podcast and I have not
had a chance to look at the images yet.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Absolutely, Okay, So we've got kind of in the center
of the photograph a moon that almost has a diamond
shape to it, the way the lensing, the way it's occurring.
You've got a couple contrails that are going diagonally from
the kind of the top left the upper left portion
down to the right lower portion. And if you scroll
(09:05):
through several of the photographs, along the lower contrail, there
are a series of objects that appear to be three
bright lights that are close together. And in one of
the photographs there are clearly three bright lights that are there.
In a couple other ones, they are almost like three
bright streaks that are along the same I guess you
(09:26):
would say horizontal line going across the sky, so they
look like they could almost be jets following along that
same path that the aircraft that left the contrail was following,
but they are not, and according to that Mofon report,
they don't match up with aircraft that were flying across,
you know, from Dobbin's Air Force Base or anything like that,
(09:47):
So it is, I don't know, it's pretty weird, pretty
dang weird.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I think it's so cool that like we're in an
era now where there is some confirmation to these kinds
of stories, like to some degree obviously they're not telling
us everything, but the degree to which the government has
had to respond or acknowledge some of this stuff, and
the level of expertise of folks that are coming out
and confirming these types of sightings, I think it's such
(10:12):
vindication for people that have been like, you know, cast
as cranks or crack pots for so many years. I
think that's just super cool. It's just another example of
how everything's not entirely a garbage fire right now in
the world. There are some positive changes if weighed against
some pretty awful things as well.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, so hey, shout out to Fred Kohler. Who is
the moufon person who did the investigation there. Shout out
to Brett, and huge shout out to Brett's daughter, who
apparently turned him on to stuff they don't want you
to know. And he's been listening now for like five
years because of his daughter. So thank you very very much.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
The kids love stuff they don't want you to know.
We're basically at children's podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. Oh and by the way, I
did speak to Brett for a while. Brett is a
quite fantastic human being.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You're such a thorough voicemail Steward. I love it, Matt.
People are always so thrilled to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
But I didn't get to talk to everybody. But you know, hey,
keep your phones near you if you did leave us
a voicemail, because one of us will try and get
in touch with you at some point. The next person
who left us a voicemail is Alan.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Ken's buddy All his Clothes Fit Him, played by Michael
Sarah in the in the delightful Barbie movie, which I
very much enjoyed. Have you seen it yet, Matt.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I've not seen it yet, but I do like me
some Michael Sarah that guy can't.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Alan's a real fan favorite.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Awesome, Well, here we go. Here is Alan.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Hi, my name is Alan. I was listening to your
Strange News episode on blocking the Sun, and I think
it was Noel that mentioned that what if you made
a giant umbrella for the Earth to block up the sun?
I'm and I was a little surprised to hear you
laughing about it, because that's that's the cheapest and easiest
(12:07):
way to do it, because in outer space you can
build a giant umbrella. It's not terribly difficult, and you
can just build it out of aluminum foil or styrofoam
or what have you, and he'll stay there. I think
the last time I did a.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Back of the envelope calculation on how much it would
cost to build a giant aluminum foil umbrella to decrease
global warming, I think it was something like the entire
United States military's budget on Vagra eighteen billion dollars, which.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Is about one and a half Jerald R four aircraft carriers.
So yeah, that's just my two cents on the subject.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
All Right, Well, first of all, what kind of envelopes
are you doing calculations on to get these figures. That
must be a mailer, like one of those big bubble mailers,
and you must have very tiny This is very impressive.
I do think it came up in the episode, if
that was a thing, if I'm not mistaken, or maybe.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
We did well. No, no, as Alan is correct. As
as we were talking about it, it felt like, I think,
to me personally, you brought it up, and it felt
like such a preposterous thing, like the idea of just
building something that will block the sun like that. In
my head, it's just because it would not only are
you blocking the sun from the heat and you know,
(13:27):
from warming up the planet, you're blocking the sun for
photosynthesis and all these other things that in my mind
would be a terrible idea. But I kind of pupoot it,
and I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I apologize, but well, I mean, even if you use
an umbrella, you're not blocking the entirety of the sun.
Like you can have plants in shade that are getting
like indirect sunlight or whatever. Like I've been trying my
best to not be a plant murderer anymore. So Unfortunately
my house doesn't get a ton of direct sunlight, so
I've had to be very strategic with where I put things,
(13:58):
and I'm realizing more often than not, when my plants die,
it's because they're not getting direct sunlight. In the event
of this umbrella, all those plants in my house are
definitely going to die and they're already not getting enough
sun with just like regular indirect sunlight. So this would
cause a problem, but it wouldn't like kill photosynthesis entirely.
You'd have to be very strategic about where you placed it.
(14:20):
It does make me think of those reflectors people put
in their dark colored cars, and those sure as hell work.
I mean they really really do. We know that these
kinds of things do reflect light and reflect you.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, Now to my back of the old Napkin calculations,
you'd have to make it out of something that's more
of a filter and less of a full on reflector,
which I'm assuming would be way more expensive, I guess,
depending on the material.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And couldn't if you reflected it fully? Couldn't that cause
problems elsewhere in space? I mean, maybe that's a silly
thing to think, but that energy is going somewhere, and
like you know, couldn't wouldn't it travel and potentially cause issue?
I don't know, it's a it's.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
A Here's another question for the more scientificly minded out
there who know stuff about this. If you had something
like a giant reflective or filtering umbrella in space between
the Earth and the Sun. If there was a chronal
mass ejection or something like that, a huge solar flare
(15:24):
that was sending charged particles towards the Earth, could you
deflect that energy or would it just travel right through
that stuff?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, I mean, isn't the ozone layer essentially a filter,
Like it's filtering out certain bad things that are in
you know, the solar rays that come. And the problem
that we're having is because of the depletion of the
ozone layer, so it's no longer acting as efficiently as
it once did. I mean, how cool is that? Like
speaking of like, you know, Goldilocks type situations like that,
(15:54):
our planet not only came with all of the I
guess conditions to promote life, but also is wrapped in
this like thin candy shell that prevents us from getting
fried by the sun that also supplies its power and
like another aspect of life and growth on Earth.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Nice work science or I guess yeah, whatever that thing is.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
This This is call it that this is. Call it
the Goldielocks, the Three Bears in the Sky.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's a great song. If it hasn't been written already,
somebody out there write it. All right, Hey, with that,
we're gonna take a quick break here a word from
our sponsor, and then come back with more of your voicemails.
And we've returned just to harken back to Alan's message.
(16:49):
As we record, it is ninety four degrees fahrenheit in Atlanta,
which is thirty four point four to four degrees celsius.
Everyone else out there in Phoenix, Arizona today it's a
balmy one hundred and ten degrees fahrenheit.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, balmy in hell, yes, Jeeze Louise. I mean we
hear stories about like Arizona. You know, people cooking eggs
on the hoods of their car and like plastic product
just melting outside. You know what I mean. It's insane.
It's like the opposite of that level of cold you
hear about in like Antarctica, where if you pour a
(17:23):
coca cola, it like freezes midstream before it hits the glass.
I mean, it's it's wild. Have you heard the term
that's being thrown around lately, Matt global boiling oh as
opposed to warming. I think the warming it was a
very generous, kind of like sugar coating. That now is
like a kind of absurd. It's hot. It's not warm,
(17:46):
It's it's hot.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's really hot. Strangely enough, in Maui, Hawaii, where there
were just terrible, terrible fires, a massive tragedy. It is
only eighty three degrees fahrenheit, which is twenty eight point
three to three celsius. One hundred and ten degrees fahrenheit,
by the way, is forty three point.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Three to three celsius. The math brain on Matt.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Uh yehah, I could do temperatures. Boy, I love that.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Are you doing that on the fly or do you
have some sort of calculator that.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
You I wrote it in the dock, dude.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Oh okay, I was impressed, and now I'm still impressed.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Come on, Dipper, let's call all right, that's okay, it's
just one person. We'll understand that I'm trying to do.
Seuss uh Okay, here we go. Next message comes to
us from Ranger.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Smith out there defending picnic baskets. You know from what
was it a large marge no hank the tank that
ended up not being a hank it all.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh yeah, the bear just snatching up picknip.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Grass smarter than the average.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Ranger Smith has this to say.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
My name is Rangers Smith.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
And the episode you guys were talking about banned books.
I was I'm kind of surprised that you didn't mention
the National Library of Congress's Delta Library, where there's the
sets of books where they cannot be allowed to the
pup through their high pornography or other's certain content, and
the other thing is banned book wise. There are books
in the National Library and I believe the University of
(19:22):
Michigan Library they are boomed in human flesh that are
not available to the public. I thought you guys might
want to be considered about those things as banned books
as well. Polculator Bye Red.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Band books you know, like those trailers that are.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Really oh yeah not adult trailers.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah at the Big Red you know warning on the beginning,
that's how you know it's going to be good. I'm sorry,
Bound in human flesh like the Necronomicon and the Evil
Dead movies? Like are these like grimoires? Like what are
we talking? I guess maybe they could also be from
like other cultures, and you know, perhaps even some Nazi stuff.
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Well, it's some real stuff. It's called anthropodermic bibliopagy.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Bibliopogy not only take you ten tries off, Mike.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, sorry about that. I don't know the words.
Very strange. It's a real thing. You can look up
an Atlantic article titled it was once somewhat common to
bind books with human skin.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Where is human skin coming from?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's where I learned about this for the first time.
The human skin is just you know, any old human skin. Now,
I'm just joking.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I haven't read much about this. I just wanted to
confirm that it was an actual thing, and it was.
It was a type of bookbinding that occurred, which is
kind of creepy. If you imagine you didn't have any
leather from like cow or you know, other animals that
have a thick hide, maybe you could use human skin,
(20:57):
and I guess people did.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, you know what I was thinking about the other day,
concerning band stuff or like censorship or whatever. Are you
familiar with the concept of video nasties video nasties?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
No, what is this I thought we.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Maybe had discussed it at some point. There is this
era in the UK in the eighties where like there's
this organization called the National Viewers and Listeners Association that
is essentially kind of like what happened with like censorship
of music. Here in the States, we're cracking down on
violent films, and the British Board of Film Classification they
(21:37):
were being a bit more strict about what kinds of
things could make it into theatrical release, but there was
a loophole that apparently allowed videos VHS's, things that went
direct to video to bypass this whole process, and that
created this whole kind of like culture of really horrifically
violent kind of DIY horror that were referred to as
(22:01):
video nasties. And there would be these like raids that
would take place sometimes on video stores or places where
you you know, you could get this stuff. And since
these things weren't like promoted really and you had to
kind of be in the loop to know what they were,
a lot of times the agents or whomever we're doing
the raids would like confiscate copies of things that had
like dubious titles but that were completely innocuous like the
(22:22):
best little Whorehouse in Texas and things like that that
were you know, Oh no, this is definitely pornography. But
it's not even about pornography per se. It's really more
about these kind of like Grizzly sort of like you know,
Dawn of the Dead kind of like you know, DIY,
Blood and Guts kind of films and just an interesting
period that a lot of people don't really think about.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Dude, Yeah, I had no idea. Thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
No, wow, okay, I only it might be something that
we might explore one day, because it really is. Like
the Wikipedia article runs deep, my friend, it's a big
old It's not a stump or a stub at all.
It's a it's a big beefy boy.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Well, you know what also runs deep The Library of
Congress's interest in sexuality in the world, at least right
around the time of World War Two.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Isn't that interesting considering what a prudish country we've historically
been that like, behind the scenes, are they looking for deviants? Like?
Where does this interest come from?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I think that's exactly what it was. It's it was
a way of keeping these things as record, but also
protecting the public from them. You can read all about
the Delta Collection d lta collection that the Library of
Congress has had, has maintained at least until the sixties,
(23:41):
and then it kind of changed a little bit. You
can read all about it. There is a really cool
project I found online called Delta Collection dot Omika O
m e ka dot net and you can browse some
of the items that have historically been kept there as
(24:02):
part of the Delta Collection. Very very interesting things. The
top title here is Whipping Club, an account of some
of the activities of a number of lovely women who
have men in their power.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So this is like S and M type stuff, or
like bondagey type culture.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, you also have things like nudism exposed as told
by an ex nudist, the author and anonymous doctor.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I love all of that's fabulous. The anonymous doctor is
the cherry on top. But I love the idea of
being a nudist. It's like, you know, we're all nudists
of a certain hour, I imagine. But I saw an
article that came out today, I think on Vice that
was apparently there's this whole hubbub in Spain where like
nudists who there's these like famous nude beaches in Spain
(24:59):
are tourists who come with their clothes on to get
right out of town. Like, if you're not gonna be
part of our world, then don't come trying to dip
your toe in our ocean. Yeah, Matt, speaking of these
types of collections, I want Sorry, I keep doing pop
culture stuff, but that's just sort of my thing. I
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have been revisiting and also visiting for the first time
the films of Park Chan Wook, who as an excellent
Korean director who did Old Boy, directed the film Old Boy,
which is a favorite, and you know, did the Vengeance
trilogy Old what was the third aided sympathy for Mister Vengeance,
then Lady Vengeance, and then Old Boy. He has a
(25:41):
film called The Handmaiden that is it's like he's really
big into adapting like British kind of period novels and
making them Korean and like kind of I don't know,
folding it into Korean culture. And he does it so seamlessly.
It's kind of incredible. You'd never know that it was adapted.
But it's sort of almost this Oliver Twist type story
(26:02):
where there's like a Fagan type character like a den
of thieves that you know, this guy's the leader and
he has this really elaborate grift and I'm not gonna
spoil any things. It has more twists than a Pratzel.
But there is a plot line in it involving erotic
Japanese books, which is a thing. There's a whole culture
of like, you know, ancient erotic books with illustrations that
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are very graphic and descriptions that are like, you know,
meant to to titillate and arouse, and that's a big
part of the film. And I did not realize quite
how far back and deep that culture goes.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
See, I had no idea either. I'd love that. I
love all of that.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You should watch The Handmaid and it's excellent and has
one of the most truly tender and intense same sex
erotic scenes that I think I've ever seen in a film.
It's a very very cool, empowering, you know, kind of
queer positive type message, but also a rollicking adventure with
(27:04):
daddy's galore and absolutely stunning cinematography.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Wow, I'm just over here getting excited to read sex
control curious customs of medieval times. Sorry, no good, please.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's important to enrich ourselves with this stuff. And you know,
we think of the past as being inherently like prudish,
like I was saying about, but that's sort of more
of a modern constructor a thing that religions sort of
you know, uh created, I guess, you know, taking all
of these things just kind of went underground. And honestly,
people in the past were even hornier than we are,
(27:41):
man and like really you know, figured out interesting ways
to use the stuff they had to to get get
get frisky.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yes, definitely, let's let's uh, let's break from this one.
Thank you so much for that message, Ranger Smith. Let
us jump over to Frank.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Can I just say that this is my favorite nickname
in the history of nicknames, I think for this show,
you know what I think?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I agree?
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Hey guys, this is the code name Frank Lloyd Wrong.
There is a program in the sustainable building world, or
the effort of making buildings more green and sustainable, called
the LEAD Program spelled LED, And while on the surface
it seems like a very good program to support the
(28:33):
sustainable architecture and development of buildings, there's a little bit
of a darker side to it. Buildings a lot of
times can get tax cuts or different reimbursements for following
LEAD guidelines or getting their building LEAD certified. And these
certifications are based on things like whether you have a
green roof or solar panels, or things like electrical vehicle
(28:56):
parking spots and charging stations. I guess the dark side
of it is that a lot of buildings will kind
of cheat the system and get the LEAD certification even
though they are not any more sustainable than most other buildings.
For example, there's a lot of buildings on the Las
(29:17):
Vegas Strip that are lit up like Christmas trees and
found to be way less efficient than regular buildings, but
by doing little things like having a certain number of
electrical vehicle spots or just little things here and there,
they can get that LEAD certification. So kind of interesting
that some of these guys are cheating the system a
(29:39):
little bit. And I'm sure you guys have seen it.
The orb or the ball that they're building in Las Vegas.
I think that you guys might have seen pictures of that.
Looks kind of creepy and kind of cool at the
same time. I think will probably be one of these
buildings as well. Once again, keep up the great work.
Love the show, thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
By is the the orb of the thing that can
like project crazy stuff like in like a kind of
a dome thing that you can see from.
Speaker 10 (30:07):
Like the air.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, my understanding is that it's a venue inside that thing.
And then on the exterior of it, Yeah, you can
turn it into a giant eyeball or a snow globe
or you know, a promo for a boxing match or
whatever you need.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
But is it like three dimensional? Is it like actually
like a hologram? I saw a thing that somebody it
was It was definitely faked. It was like somebody you know,
went to town with CGI on it. But it was
like literally looking like a giant hand or something like.
It's not done yet, right, like so that these things
aren't actually being projected. But I'm trying to understand how
(30:42):
close to the crazy over the top version that this
person made it will it actually be?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Well, Okay, maybe I'm wrong, guys, but I thought it's
called the Sphere at the Venetian Resort, and my under oh,
it is a venue. Yeah, here we go five hundred
and eighty thousand square feet of programmable LED panels.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So yeah, it's not a hologram. It's just it's constrained
by the surface area of the thing. But it can
like yeah, it can be a giant eye, it can
be you know, but it can't like shoot out crazy
like blade runner holograms beyond the bounds of this epcot
kind of thing. But wild and so okay?
Speaker 10 (31:25):
Are we.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Are we to say that we are surprised that people
that make their money from building things as quickly and
cheaply as possible are trying to save money and doing
it maybe legally. Well, well it's not illegal, though, it's
a loopholes. That's you know, it's all about like the
law is sort of you know, irrelevant here because it's
(31:48):
so easy to find these loopholes, and it just goes
to show how inefficient some of the these certifications are
sort of toothless and meaningless because you can offset it
in so many other ways.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well, this gets so murky, some of this stuff, the
greenification of different things that have not been quote green
for a long time, right, changing practices like building practices
or building vehicles, and how fuel efficient they are, all
of these things. It does feel like over time we've
seen cheaters, you know, who try and cheat the whole system,
(32:22):
like that one car company, the Deutscho one, the Volkswagen
bod yes yes, yes, where people at Chicha.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Box it's my Cheeta box attempt to cheat.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
The system to you know, meet minimum requirements in order
to do things like being able to continue selling their
product or to get certain tax breaks right so that
creating and selling your product can be affordable and you
can make enough of a profit.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
The Volkswagen thing was like totally illegal though, and they were,
they were, you know, cheating the system in a way
that was not even like following the loophole rule, Like
they went above and beyond installing a thing that was
meant to be a secret. But we just know that
even with like carbon offsets and like the idea of
like how do we you know, act like we're being
(33:10):
good stewards of the environment while being able to continue
to operate business as usual. You know, that's the kind
of stuff that I think is most galling because you're
gonna have folks that are like brazenly breaking the rules,
but the rules in general are kind of not really
doing a whole hell of a lot, or there's always
a way to kind of figure out how to get
around it.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, yeah, we didn't even see what LEAD is. By
the way, what it stands for it is all caps
L E ED. It's an acronym stands for Leadership in
Energy and Environmental Design. Yeah, everywhere I've looked it is
a worldwide program, So it's not just in the US,
not just any you know, any one town, one city,
(33:53):
one state, or country. You can get LEAD certified pretty
much anywhere where you're doing construction or you know, some
kind of fixing of a building, updating of a building.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I remember our previous office, they had a thing where
in order to get certain certifications, they had to kill
the air conditioning in the whole office space, like after
like four five o'clock or whatever. It was not on
at all on the weekends. That was specifically to get
some kind of tax break or certification, and it sucked
when we were there. I mean, I'm all about, you know,
(34:24):
saving energy and all of these things, but little stuff
like that seems to me to be more saving them
on their heating, on their cooling bill than it is
to actually like do any kind of like big picture,
you know, positive change for the environment. But maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
No, No, it's it's everything, and that is great. It's
everything like that energy efficiency, water efficiency materials that are
being used in creating the project, right. I mean, that's
that's really some of the main things. But I think
what what Frank Lloyd wrong is pointing to is that
you can you can kind of mess up your energy
efficiency and it can be pretty pretty crap. But if
(35:02):
you put in enough you know, as you said, electric
charge whatever you know, stations and then.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Here don't look at any of this thumb over here
though it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well, it's like it's this concept of carbon offsetting, right
where I can generate a ton of pollution as a company,
but if I pay a bunch of money and offset
my carbon by you know, investing in this other stuff
or doing these other things, then my carbon gets canceled out.
Only it doesn't not really, which is kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Even certain municipalities have like regulations in place that at
the end of the day, are kind of just inconvenient
to like homeowners. You know, I had an issue where
my water was in the wrong name with this house
that that I bought a year a little over a
year ago, and my water got cut off and in
order to get it cut back on. I had to
have They wouldn't just cut it back on. They had
(35:53):
to send somebody to inspect my fixtures and like my
toilet and make sure it was like a low flow toilet.
When I bought the house, I saw that the toilets
had the little you know, two for pooh, one for
for pee or whatever buttons. I just thought that was
like a cool modern update. But those are like mandated here.
Oh really at yeah, And like they had to come
check make sure those were installed. And they also like
(36:14):
they even to pass us. He kind of like did
it on the hush hush, but switched out our shower
head to one that he had on him so he
could take a picture of it, and then like gave
us the shower. I'm not I'm not doxing the guy.
I'm just saying these little things they don't ultimately amount
to a hell of a lot except for like more
(36:36):
red tape and like you know, a pain in the
butt for like the small guys like me and you.
With the big companies, they can get around doing it
in so many ways. You know, it's it's sad.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I had an uncle in law once tell me the
secret of removing all the what was it, the the
water suppression that's going on in your house on all
your faucets, Like you can take it all off. You
get as much water in your shower as you want.
Man for like water pressure, Yeah, to get crazy water
pressure in your shower. Those Uh, there are pairly tricks
(37:10):
to do that. But I don't want to waste the water.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Well no, I mean again, water we know, we talk
about this all the time on the show, is probably
gonna be one of the big bones of contention and
like a situation leading to some future you know mad
Max type war. You know, in terms of like who
controls the water resources. That is something we absolutely need.
And we see water disputes all the time between you know,
(37:35):
states that share water supplies and all of that. And
as we know, you know, if there is it's I mean,
I guess there's the is there more water being made?
Is there a finite amount of water?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, dude? Can you can't you synthesize water? H and
the two and the O is not a thing you
can do? Or no, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh yeah, dude, we're producing water all over this place
with these desalination plants. No, I'm just joking. It is
really expensive to do that, apparently, and difficult. So we've
talked about that before in the past, Like why don't
we just have desalination plants everywhere? No, it's not as
easy as that.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I am being a bit of a dumb dumb and
I'm not I'm not joking, Like it's is it all
from like the water cycle and like you know, rain
and like things like moving through the ecosystem, Like if
rain stops happening, is water inevitably going to dry up?
Speaker 10 (38:23):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Is it all just based on the balance of like
these systems kind of and we're depending on them and
the temperature and the global conditions being right, and if
something screwed it up, could is it? Is it gonna
go real real wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, it's it's all one. It's all one connecting system, right,
And there are ways, there's technology and we've figured out
ways to I guess get like pull more water from
the air right through the humidity. If you think about
something like a dehumidifier, how does that work. It pulls
the humidity out of the air well. Yeah, it pulls
(38:59):
humidity out of the air and it turns it into liquid.
Water in a reservoir, right, So theoretically you could do that.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
It did say in the instructions from a dehumidifier not
to drink the water that is produced in the little
trough or whatever. But then it goes back to things
like graywater. You know, where you can use graywater for
certain things. You wouldn't want to drink it or bathe
in it, but you can use it to like water
plants and things like that.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Now, look, I don't know this for sure. I would
speculate that that warning is more about the receptacle where
the water goes and how it just sits there, because
theoretically that is distilled water, and it would be some
of the cleanest water you could have access to right now,
because it's literally just water pulled directly out of the air.
(39:47):
If you could find a way to make sure the
receptacle was always clean, then that water would be super drinkable.
In my head, If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, that is
what that's my understanding of how dehumidifiers work.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
At the very least, surely there would be a way
to purify it or to like filter it, or to
run it through something in a pinch, right like I
always think of water World where they pee into the
thing and they drink it. That's not real. But it
also I recently had some landscaping work done in my
backyard and I installed what's called a rain garden. It's
these giant they're called burns, and they're these sort of
(40:21):
like pits where there's a tree plant in the middle
of it, but there are these two sort of mulchy
kind of like pits, and they're not ugly that they
look nice, but they fill up with water. And there's
a rain garden registry which I'm a part of, and
apparently rain gardens put an insane amount of water back
into the water table. They would normally just go to
(40:42):
runoff or like go you know, down storm drains and
stuff and become useless. So that's me doing my part, y'all.
I'm gonna drink my humidifier water and use my rain garden.
Matt told me it was okay to drink. I heard
what I heard.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
If it's truly distilled and it is clean. Okay, let's
take another break. We'll come right back with just a
few more messages from you. Okay, we are back, and
this is a message we got from Tim, and it
(41:21):
does come with a warning, sorry to do this, you know,
towards the end of an episode. But sometimes we get
suggestions from you that are a little tougher than others.
This is a really it's it's a messed up story.
It's horrifying, actually, and it's worth our time because it
(41:44):
is disturbing. It deserves more attention because a lot of
people don't know about it, and we're going to talk
about it. But just a little warning. There's a message
from Tim that is gonna upset you.
Speaker 10 (41:55):
Here we go, Hi, It's Tim. I live in Michigan.
I grew up sailing in the Great Lakes. Jeffrey Epstein
wasn't the first person to run an island of underaged children.
Boss Islands in Michigan. Gentleman named Sheldon from the Detroit
area bought them and turned them into a child porn
video ring. He got busted and got into a bunch
(42:16):
of trouble. It's kind of interesting reading about it. It's
even more interesting when you start looking at pictures of
the island today because they're still sitting there with a
bunch of the buildings on them, built an airstrip, basically
just shuttle kids back and forth to film the having sex.
World's pretty dumb. Anyways, I live in Traverse City. I've
(42:38):
always found this case to be kind of interesting, and
you guys may have covered it at one point, but
pretty du they also tie him to the child murders
of this time, there's four missing children in the Detroit area.
They may have tied it to somebody else officially, but
there was a lot of speculation for a long time.
Made for a good story. Every good night, do anything
(43:00):
I wouldn't do.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Okay, I do not know this story at all. Okay,
it sounds like something out of a girl with the
Dragon tattoo type, you know, crime fiction situation that is insane.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, it does sound a lot like that. This is
something nol I know, Ben and I have had conversations about,
and I want to say we've talked about it briefly
in the past. But when I was looking through all
of our records, I couldn't find a specific story like
a video, you know, a podcast episode. What Tim is
mentioning here is a place, a physical place called North
(43:39):
Fox Island that you can find in Michigan, and there's
also South Fox Island just below it. This was a
private island for a time, and it was owned by
the person Tim mentioned, mister Francis Duffield du f F
I E L D. Sheldon s H E L D
(44:02):
E N. And there was a documentary that was made
on what was that investigation discovery I D Discovery, I
think is what it was called for a while. There
is a I think it's a two part series titled
Children of the Snow Snow. You can find that it
was produced gosh, I want to say back in twenty nineteen.
Maybe it might have been even been created in twenty eighteen,
(44:26):
but it's a it's a pretty extensive accounting of what
this person was doing on that island, and a breakdown
of the other child murders there were, as Tim said,
there were child murders in the same area where this
child exploitation abuse terror generation machine was functioning, run by
(44:51):
this person, Sheldon, at least allegedly, I guess you have
to say allegedly because the guy ended up escaping. This
is why it's so horrifying and messed up.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I'm sorry I missed this. When is this what era
is this meant to have taken place?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
This is nineteen seventies. I want to say maybe sixties
as well. I think it's right around the time of
the Atlanta Missing murdered stuff too. This is really crazy, Okay,
So let's read from a local newspaper there in Traverse City.
This is the Traverse City Record Eagle. You can find
(45:30):
this article right now if you check it out. The
title is Children of the Snow uses DNA to shed
light on cold Oakland County case and it was published
February nineteenth, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
All right, I'll read a bit. Sheldon was a land developer,
oil consultant, market investor, and author who never married. He
was the sole owner of North Fox Island. The island
is now owned by the state of Michigan and is
part of the Beaver Island State Wildlife Research Area. File
ring included well to do businessmen, politicians, and other rich
(46:03):
and powerful men who would take children to the island
to have sex with them and make films or distributed
around the world. As the story goes.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Jesus, Yeah, right, So, according to the Treverse City Record Eagle,
Sheldon and others were able to attract children through his
brother Paul's Children's Mission.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Like in a religious organization hmmm.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
And a supposed nature camp for quote underprivileged children that
was on the island. Many people, according to the paper here,
saw Francis Sheldon as a generous benefactor who took youths
on hunting trips to the island, skiing trips in Aspen,
and beach parties at his family's estate in the Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
This is true Detective Season one man, so they must
have been aware of the story, like all of the aspects,
the attracting using a benevolent you know, forward facing organization.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Oh yeah, and it also sound so familiar to me.
That's why it's like weird to me. Out feels like
I've talked about this, or at least we wanted to
talk about it, but maybe used too dark for one
reason or another at some point, or I don't know,
but we need to talk about it further because this
guy also set up trust funds for these kids that
he abused, for several of them. At least. Let's get
just to the end of this article here to find
(47:20):
out why we should all be really mad.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Search warrants and an arrest warrant for criminal sexual conduct
were issued for Sheldon in nineteen seventy six, but Sheldon
had already cleared out his Ann Arbor home and his
cabin on North Fox. Apparently prompted by the arrest of
an associate, Gerald S. Richards, on criminal sexual conduct charges.
Sheldon fled to the Netherlands, which at the time rarely
(47:43):
extradited those one for crimes in the United States. He
was reported dead in nineteen ninety six, but some think
he may have established a new identity and continues to
operate as a pedophile. He would be eighty or eighty
one today. I mean, if there's someone that could arrange
these types of things, Matt, it's someone like this. I mean,
let's just go back to the laundry list, land developer,
(48:05):
oil consultant, market investor. I mean that I see what
you mean about the anger. I mean it's all absolutely
rage inducing. But the idea that someone could get tipped off,
potentially by the authorities or someone who's part of this
(48:26):
ring and then just figure out how to disappear and
set up shop somewhere else, you.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Know, according to Tim I talked to Tim by the
way on the phone, and according to him, and according
to that documentary that was produced and from you know,
a lot of the reporting on this, we're talking about
very wealthy, powerful individuals that were taking part in this
thing allegedly. And that means if you've got, you know,
(48:55):
a ring leader like this person Sheldon, who was rich
and powerful, and all the people working with him are
rich and powerful, it means you probably would get tipped
off and you maybe could fly either privately or secretly
to the Netherlands and then stay there for twenty years
and never have to face consequences. And that it's infuriating,
(49:17):
and it just it makes you want to bring the
batman out right, the batman inside all of us. We're
just we're not billionaires, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
No, but it's like this level of just ability to
skirt the law due to power and influence can only
ever be matched by vigilanteism, unfortunately, because the system isn't
designed to catch these people. Well, you're at a certain
level of influence, You've got people within the system in
(49:50):
your pocket, you know. And I mean, I'm not to
say that everyone in politics or everyone you know in
law enforcement is some sort of psychotic pedophile. Certainly not
the case case. But all you need is one or two,
you know, people that have your back and can give
you the heads up, and just that happens, it happens.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
All that has happened is there needs to be a
network of money, right, and we're talking about donations, like
campaign donations something like that that get started at one
small level and moves its way up and now everybody's connected,
and no powerful politician that has nothing to do with
this wants to be involved with somebody who is involved
(50:31):
with this stuff through a campaign donation, which means you
kind of get somebody on a hook if you know,
let's say you're a powerful person that finds out you
just got you know, your campaign got supported heavily by
someone taking part in something like this. Would you want
anyone to know? Probably not.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Maybe you would help the money.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, But again that's all that's all alleged, that's all theoretical.
Everything I just said, it's just you could feel that
something like that might be true. One last thing I
want to say about this, NOL there's a huge FBI
vault entry for this, that's vault dot FBI dot gov.
Who talks about Francis Sheldon And it's just all kinds
(51:13):
of intel that they've got on this person. Conversations with
other people about him, some what appears to be some
spying that was done on this guy. Just lots of
information gathering. There's a connection to someone that popped up
in our research for that ab scam episode, a guy
named Adam Aristotle Starchild aka Malcolm McConaughey. And this is
(51:41):
this is very weird, nol. It's a weird connection. And
it makes me feel like this ring is not just
isolated there to the Great Lakes, to the Detroit area
and you know, to Traverse City, Michigan.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
I mean, I would I would imagine that things of
this Who if you figured out how to make it
work to this degree, why wouldn't there be people from
international people involved? You know what I mean? Like, it's
like this is the the you're in the catbird seat.
If you're a freaking pedophile, this is like where you
want to be, you know, this is like the kind
(52:13):
of stuff that Epstein was was involved in. This is
this worse? Is it worse? It's it's I think it's worse.
This is worse.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
This is Look, I don't know, it's hard. It's hard
to say.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
In my mind, it's worse because it's kids it's filmed,
it's sold. There are other people around, you know the world,
that were watching this stuff, and there were stakeholders basically
in this ring, this horrifying evil thing. But let's let's
just let's stay here with this abscam connection because I
(52:47):
found this fascinating. I stumbled on this through the Wikipedia
entry for Adam Starchild. This guy, uh, Malcolm McConaughey. I'm
just gonna read directly from this quote. In nineteen seventy seven,
the Traverse City Record Eagle, the one we just read
from that same local paper, reported that this guy Starchild
(53:08):
was involved in a number of supposed charitable organizations funded
by a wealthy Michigander, Francis Duffield Sheldon. Here are those things.
The Church of the New Revelation of Kearnie that's in
New Jersey, Brother Paul's Children's Mission on North Fox Island,
that's the one we just mentioned, The Educational Foundation for
(53:31):
Youth of Illinois, and the Ocean Living Institute of New Jersey,
the last allegedly devoted to underwater habitats, agriculture, ocean architecture,
and ocean law, which were said to be tax dodges
and fronts for sexual activity involving boys. So that's in
(53:52):
New Jersey and in Illinois. In Michigan, it looks as
though it sounds as though, again we're going by a
Wikipedia article here that's, you know, based off of writing
from the Traverse City Record Eagle. But it seems as
though this operation was huge.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Certainly, does Matt please tell me you got something a
little lighter to wrap this? I mean important. One hundred
percent of this stuff is absolutely critical to understand that
this kind of evil exists in the world. But we'd
love a little palate cleanser after that one. Thank you
so much to the listener that wrote it.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
I mean, yeah, no, you're right, Thank you, Tim, You're
you're absolutely right, Nol. We do have a palate cleanser.
We've got a message here from Zach to end the episode.
We love messages like all of these that we've listened
to today. Thank you so much to everybody who sent
them in In particular, lately, messages like the one we're
(54:47):
about to play from Zach have been extremely helpful for
us to come up with new ideas for like what
what can we cover, what's interesting, what you know, what's
in your neck? Of the woods. What should we be
thinking about? So again, Tim as well, we need to
be talking about this. We're going to talk about it.
But here's Zach's message.
Speaker 9 (55:07):
This is Zach.
Speaker 7 (55:08):
I'm originally from Alaska, and I wondered if you guys
had the idea of just how many wild miss legends
and other weird stories there are. There is a local
legend in Anchorage, Alaska of a theater at the university
called the Wendy Williamson Auditorium that has some wild ghost stories.
(55:29):
We also have our own lake Monster. We have our
own triangle where people get lost, disappear, et cetera, and
quite a few rather unique UFO settings. Native of Alaskans
also have this legend of tiny men that bring really
bad luck along with them. I think it would be
a great episode. I hope you guys do awesome and
(55:53):
you know, watch your backs.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
They don't watch it now, some regional lore you do.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Well, it's it's uh, it's just lighthearted enough to you know,
to be fun. It's a little ghost haunting. We can
handle that.
Speaker 8 (56:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
It makes you want to travel to Alaska, though.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
I spend some time and a super producer Paul Mission
controlled Deck and spend some time in Alaska for the
Missing series. Wonder if those fellas heard anything about this stuff.
I mean they were probably slammed getting podcast audio, But no,
I've never It makes sense being such a it's an
unusual place, you know, the way it stays light out
(56:39):
like all the time. There's certain other worldly qualities about
Alaska for sure, So and it's not exactly a lot
going on, so it makes sense that there would be,
you know, stories that would develop over time, you know,
through like the oral tradition.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Oh yeah, well I want to go, and Paul, you
won't have to rent a boat this time. I think
that was the biggest headache, at least for my discussions
with you and Ben. But uh yeah, we've got to
do that. Check out Alaska's lore. We want to we
want to do more travel. So if we've got an
excuse to go somewhere as a show, we're gonna take it.
(57:18):
Why not give us some cool excuses for us to
give our bosses or like reasons to travel. It would
be awesome. Well's Steah.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
You can find us. You know where you can find
us on the internet. We exist at the handle conspiracy
stuff on Facebook and the social media platform formerly known
as Twitter, uh and YouTube. That's conspiracy stuff. We're conspiracy
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Speaker 3 (58:06):
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Speaker 4 (58:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, put the number in your phone if you don't
mind as a contact, just in case, because we do
call back sometimes. Thank you so much to Tim from Michigan,
Zach Frank, Lloyd Wrong Ranger, Smith Allen, and Brett Watcher
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