Where should you park a helicopter? The conversation over the Willy Wonka experience in Glasgow continues. London economists realize wealth inequality is booming, and someone snipped those undersea cables the guys warned about earlier. All this and more in this week's strange news segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
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don't want you to know. It is the top of
the week as we hurdle headlong through March.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Now.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
We have some adventures that will catch you up on
in the near future, but for now, there is so
much strange stuff happening. There are people smuggling things as ever,
but maybe not the things would expect. We are going
to I don't want to say it, but we might
(01:06):
have some hot takes on the Red Sea. We'll get
to it later. For now, we have to address, of course,
one of the most pressing issues in the world of
conspiracy and international discourse in the modern day. Let's go
to you, Noel. You're a fan of Charlie and Chocolate Factory.
(01:27):
We've talked about role.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Doll Yeah, I'm a big fan of roll Doll's books,
especially the creepy ones. And I'm with folks that are
saying that even the slightly has an age super well
stuff should not be like rewritten.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I think that's weird.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I think once we start doing that, it's like a
real slippery slope. So just getting my soapbox moment and
on that. But I'm also a fan of the Gene
Wilder movie. I think the very of its age.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know, the the chocolate waterfall looks like diarrhea. That's true.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It's also very stuff they don't want you to know.
There is no earthly way of no.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's true. That's the tunnel.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Yeah, the Tunnel of Doom also taken reappropriated by Marilyn
Manson for the video for his hit song Dope hat
off of Smell that Smells Like Children the Portrait of
an American Family, And I believe on that record too.
I'm sorry I'm showing my former Manson I roots there's
(02:25):
a sample, or at least he does the there's no
earthly way of knowing and the rowers keep hol ring.
But he doesn't like a horrible Marilyn Manson kind of way.
That guy sucks. He's done terrible things. Not a good dude.
But anyway, yeah, I think you know, roll Doahll looms large.
He's become such a institution in Hollywood with you know,
remakes and some of them good, some of them not
(02:45):
so good. I thought the Tim Burton Charlie and the
Chocolate Factory was quite bad.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
But then there was a little run of some of
the short.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Stories that were done by Wes Anderson is short films,
and all of those are excellent. They're just really, really
really what Henry Sugar I believe was one where the
sets kind of move and it's just it really hits
the spirit of the whimsy of a roll doll.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
And this is big money, you guys.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
I mean, we have got the Timothy chalomet reboot of
the franchise, you know, with him as the star of
those young Wonka with sort of a backstory, and people
are you tend to capitalize on that, as was the
case in Scotland in Glasgow, to be more precise, where
a you know, you see these things all the time,
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stuffs to some better than others, things like the Museum
of ice Cream or they're like.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The Balloon Museum, often that you have museums and.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Then we're like van Go the experience, there's.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Sort of experience a change.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But those are really cool.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Some of them are better than others.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I heard the van Go one sucked and was like
kind of mid you know, and just was a little
bit underwhelming. And they're often quite expensive, and they're often
set up in these massive industrial warehouse spaces and they
travel around depending on their success, you know, you might
be coming to a town near you some kind.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Of roadshow version of it. You know.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Miao Wolf is a great example of an excellent one
that is like so immersive. We went to the one
in Vegas. But they also have franchises of these, you know,
in other countries and other cities. But in Glasgow, something
called Willie's Chocolate Experience was scheduled to run for two
days only, February twenty fourth and twenty fifth, promising all
(04:30):
sorts of wonders you know to the good people of
Glasgow and their and their children.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I think the website has yeah, oh yeah, no it has,
and it's still up.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
And this event was promoted by a company with a
really awesome name for this show, House of Illuminati folks.
No joke curated or created this event, and they promoted
it as being a cutting edge experience that uses artificial
intelligence for scripting and for concept design and all this stuff,
(05:04):
and on their website or whatever wherever this stuff was
posted originally, now it's kind of been screenshotted and posted
all over the place. They have some of these AI
generated images which are just like the quintessential kind of
sort of psychedelic nightmare fuel that you'd imagine an AI
would spit out when asked to reproduce Willy Wonka escapes,
you know, where things are just like a little too twisty,
(05:27):
the lollipops, you know, spiral off into oblivion and kind
of awkward and uncomfortable ways.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And things look a little too wormy, kind of almost mansonesque, well.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Very much so.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I mean, there is a macabre quality to what they're
trying to pitch as this wondrous thing, and that extends
very much to the text on some of these images
that you can still find anywhere.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
People are referring to this stuff as cursed.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
But the initial text on this kind of you know,
digital promo flyer thing promises the fun following cat gigating
live performances, catchy tons XR surgery, lollipops, and a paradise
of sweet teats, and.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It's at the top. It's got a big banner saying
in chair and in ing intertainment, in char in ining entertainment,
and all.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
This stuff was put out there like they didn't prove
read it or something. Again this we're you know, we're
proponents of using stuff as tools. AI has the potential
to be an interesting thing in the hands of the
right people.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
When you just feed it.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Nonsense and say do a thing like this and don't
have any oversight, you're gonna get cat gagating and in
char in in ing entertainment and apparently a paradise of
sweet teats. So all this was promised for the I
believe nominal fee of around forty five dollars American. I
think it was maybe thirty five pounds something like that
(07:02):
or thirty five euro.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You're right, thirty five British pounds. So because it's Scotland,
so forty four dollars fifty eight cents US.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
And the AI part, you know, also was promoted as
being the source of the scripting for the actors. This
is this is not like an AI, you know, virtual
reality experience. This is like a brick and mortar pop
up type experience that they're promising to recreate this stuff,
you know, that's depicted in these really kind of wormy,
(07:31):
disturbing images. I'm looking at one right now, and I
just it's got real sandworm vibes and like you look
in the in the bushes and they're these bunny rabbits,
but they look like they're smiling with like really rancid,
like twenty teeth almost Like again, I'm looking at it,
not zoomed in, but you know the way AI does
where it'll just kind of one part of something will
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be just a little smeared or a little kind of
wonky and not ripe wonky.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
That's appropriate, but AnyWho.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
The scripting for this was also generated by AI and
was meant to be memorized by the actors who were
hired and showed up the day before the launch of
the thing, and Ben pointed out off air that there's
some amazing accounts for some of these actors who were
just trying to make a day rate, you know, for
doing this thing.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
They didn't know much about it.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
They showed up assuming that the thing hadn't been completed
a lot of times these things, you know, if you've
ever been to a circus even or like Cirqa Sola,
they're building that stuff up to the wire a lot
of times the day before, like before. That's not to
malign Sirk to Sole. They probably have it up longer
than that, but for some of these maybe lower budget things,
you know, time and personnel are at a premium, so
(08:38):
they're trying to maximize that. These actors were giving them
the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
However, when the day one game and.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Families and their kids were streaming in to this industrial warehouse,
there wasn't any change from what they had witnessed the
night before, which was kind of these scantily decorated walls
with these like backdrops that are just comically small, whereas
it's almost like they just took some of these AI
images and you know, printed them on fabric but not
(09:08):
very big. And it's in the middle of a giant
bear like rock looking wall, like a concrete looking slab wall.
There's like a rainbow entryway that you can see the
seam on it. There's a lab they call the Imagination
Lab where they are these OPA lumpa type things which
are called I believe in the script are called wonka
(09:29):
doodles or wonky doodles, something to that effect. And the
image I believe that first went viral, which is a
term that I hate, but you get what it means,
was an image of this young woman playing an opa
lumpa and looking really bummed out, surrounded by what appears
to be the things that you would find in a
(09:49):
meth lab.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
I was just gonna say, the way, the way I'm
looking at it, from the images that are available that
I've seen mostly on X, it looks like if I,
Matt Frederick, decided to like make my son a birthday
party inside a giant warehouse and I could only access
the things that I, as Matt Frederick, could access and
(10:13):
like find in a couple of days and like throw together.
It just it feels exactly like that, like objection.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Objection, you, Matt Frederick would do a much better job.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I think it would be really close to this, guys.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
I would find somebody to be like, hey, can I
give you four to five dollars to like pretend to
be whatever you just said.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Doodle and do Let's not forget about the unknown who
was named the unknown because his name is unknown. This
is all stuff that the AI script generated.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
We're gonna do a little reading because Gizmoto has the
whole thing linked out and posted and it all checks
with what we've We've heard the actors describing, you know,
and the little bits of commentary they've offered to the
whole thing. But it was apparently so bad that parents,
like their kids were crying because this unknown thing, which
is just like a person wearing like a spooky robe
(11:12):
kind of and like one of those silver masks that
you get in like spirit Halloween and like at a wig,
does a really serious jump scare.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I didn't sign up for a job. I don't like
jump scares.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
I'm forty year old man and I don't go to
haunted houses because jump scares freaked me out. So I
would have been her to too, because apparently the kids
were in tears. Not to mention, once they made it
through that traumatic event, they were only given a single
jelly bean and a half a glass of like Tesco
brand lemonade. It's wow. And that's the image of the
(11:45):
Opa Loipa. The wind viral is the station where the
jelly beans were handed and there's images because people.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Were taking videos with their phones just.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
To document this debacle for posterity, I guess, to back
up their claims, their eventual claims to the police.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And you can see this person taking.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Like the tiniest little jelly bean and placing it in
the hand of a child.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It's it's it's sad stuff, you guys.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I don't know what am I missing anything with this setup.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It's been described as the fire Festival for kids.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, the the one of the actors I think it's
Kirsty Patterson that portrays the sad Yeah, is actually doing
their best. And there was a later interview with The Independent.
I want to say where several of the actors are
(12:40):
actually one of the actors who played Willie McDuff.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
He's the one. Yeah, because they did it only for
like half a day.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, they talked about it and they have this classic
moment where they're like, well, we uh, we knew it
was messed up, so we went to the pub and
let it blow over. But they they got the job offer,
you know, a side unseen from like indeed dot com
or something, And I think there was in the beginning
(13:09):
a bit of a bit of a trend toward vilifying
those actors who were just trying to work. They were not, Like,
they were not the boardroom of the what is it know,
the house of House of Illuminati. Yeah, they were not.
They were hired guns on this one. And I just
want to give a shout out to Patterson because it
(13:30):
sounds like, outside of those viral clips, it sounds like
she was doing her best in a weird situation and
peek behind the curtain. I know, Matt, Nolan and I
and Doc I would hazard you as well, have found
ourselves in weird situations where we have to do strange things. Matt,
(13:53):
I'm thinking specifically about the time we were explaining cryptids
to a bunch of raucous kids in Maryland and they
were yelling at us because they knew we had a monkey.
That is a true story, Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
I'm thinking about the time I worked at a private
club and I got paid to pretend I was Middle
Eastern and WHOA, yes.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Are you not Middle Eastern?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No?
Speaker 7 (14:18):
No, at least I don't think so. But maybe aren't
we all in some way? But what I'm what I'm
saying is like I just I've been in a situation
where I was getting paid, I was acting, and I
thought I was doing great when I was a kid.
When I was a kid, But if you look back
at it, it's like, what is happening right now?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I didn't have to do anything problematic.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
I don't think that I can recall, but I worked
for a children's science center for a time where I
did like the science show or you did the you know,
the static electricity on the balloon and things like that with.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Kids, and it was fun. It was a glorious time,
but you know, it's stressful. Kids are kids are tough.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Kids are a tough audience and it takes, you know,
a lot of planning and coordination to make them happy
at an event like this and this kid.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, still, I still do career days at public schools
by far the toughest crowd ever.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
Can I just say I pushed that thought, that memory
out of my head ben doing that performance. So the
kid with the kids, specifically with the the monkey.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
God, that one you tend to be Middle East.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's back.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm sorry, oh God.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And I came up under the auspice of the grand
old opry. Let's move on.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, I just want to This is a really great
uh X.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Is that what you call the individual things? From a
user name at Cheerwine who sums it up beautifully. You're
six years old, you live in Glasgow. You are told
you will be meeting Willie Wonka eating chocolate. You arrive,
you are given a single jelly bean buttered popcorn flavor.
The Baba Duke is there.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Because to your point, Noel, there is a jump scare there.
That is something that would be I don't want to
say it should be verboten, but one would imagine if
one were a parent. It's the kind of thing you,
as a parent would want to know your kids are
encountering before you go into it. So they got a
(16:25):
hard time and we get it. The four of us
get it, folks, and probably you listening along at home.
Live productions are tough, right, theater is tough, But it's
also fire Festival. That's the best. Oh yeah, Firefest for kids.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Just to wrap it up, you know, it's when you
read the scripts, which I just wanted to read, a
tiny little exert of again fully generated by a I
clearly not edit it at all. After the fact, it
paints a pretty cool picture that I'm sure would have
been really neat if they executed it. There's magical bubbles
popping and you know, twinkling lights in the sky.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
There's a spooky forest.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
There's a confrontation between the Unknown, who, by the way,
is an evil chocolate maker who lives in the walls
of the chocolate factory and is Willy there's always not
even Willy Wonker. By the way, he's Willy McDuff.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I need to mention that is sworn enemy, right, this
evil chocolate maker.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Who lives in the walls.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
There's some stuff that they have this confrontation at the
end of the script that involves this you know, Terrry Potter.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Style battle of shooting powers at each other or whatever.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
And then it ends with the Unknown being vacuumed up
by a giant vacuum cleaner. Because, by the way, the
coveted item like which you'll remember from the film and
the book, the Everlasting Gobstopper that Charlie you know, is
supposed to steal and give to slug Worth and that's
how he passes the test to win the factory. In
this one, it's something called Willie's anti graffiti Gobstopper, which
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tighties up everywhere whenever you eat it. It also somehow
tighties up helps mums and dads, but mostly mums. It
says all this in the script, so it's a there's
there's a message here too about kids cleaning their rooms,
but really quickly. This is how the script describes this relationship.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
This fiendish foe is long coveted.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
This is Willy speaking my way.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
One of my most cherished creations, the anti graffiti Gobstopper,
a marvel of confectionery science designs to aid oh, not
just any soul, but the tireless guardians of cleanliness are
beloved mums and yes, dad's true, but especially mums from
the endless scourge of dirty socks trun about by youthful adventurers.
(18:37):
And there's a joke about viagra kind of and it's
oh and the stage directions alone are worth the price
of admission. But I think we could talk about this
for way too long that I will. I think we'll
put a put a stop on it right now.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
But geez, what a what a fun you know, relatively harmless.
I guess this is part of what makes it so fun.
I think I think the people are probably going to
get their money back. They weren't you know, conned out
of thousands and kept hostage on an island, like with
fire festivals, So it seems a little less, you know,
less of an inconvenient There were people that came, you know,
(19:13):
on trains from far away who are now demanding their
train fare be refunded as well by the House of Illuminati,
the founder of which made a statement apologizing said that
the holographic equipment didn't come in in time.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
It's just what led it to be the sad display
that it ultimately was.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
So there you go live and learn.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Oh and by the way, there's also apparently a film
and production already about the Unknown, because he was the
hit of the whole charade. Let's take a quick break here,
a word from our sponsors, and then we'll be back
with another piece of strange news.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
And we've returned. Hey, before we get to the main store,
I want to talk about guys. Did you hear the
one about the snowmobile lawsuit against the government.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, watch where you park your copters.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I thought it was a joke set up.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
No, well, it's this weird situation there's some like actual
injury involved in Again, just a weird situation. So in
March twenty nineteen, this Massachusetts based attorney named Jess Smith
was writing his snowmobile through this place called Albert Farms.
It's an airfield in Worthington, Massachusetts. It's at night. He's
(20:31):
had like one or two beers at least according to
his statement. He's not drunk at it by any means,
at least according to him. But he's riding a snowmobile
at night, and he's going really fast, and unbeknownst to Jeff,
on the trail, there was a parked, non illuminated black
Hawk helicopter.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Okay, just continue, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do
the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Okay, we'll do the thing that we'll talk about really quick.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Yeah. So, according to the story, the crew of that
Blackhawk helicopter was just doing what they were told. They
flew down from New York's Fort Drum for a night
training exercise at this airfield. But Jeff had no idea
that was happening. Jeff was just riding along with a snowmobile.
He collided with the tail end of the chopper, literally
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the tail of the chopper flew through the air, broke
a dozen ribs, punctured along suffered severe internal bleeding.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Hadn't used his left arm at all.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
He had to be airlifted to a trauma center. Lost
the use of his left arm. He's gone through numerous surgeries,
and he's been living on federal assistance since the crash
and living with his parents. So messed up, right, And
he has been suing the US government for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Right now.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
The suit is he's looking for nine point five million
dollars in damages to cover all the medical expenses, lost wages, and,
according to him and his attorneys, to hold the military
responsible for parking a blacked out black Hawk on an
active snowmobile trail.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
That was fun to say, perry to it.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
But yeah, I don't know any thoughts, guys. I just
I think it's crazy that I don't know. You would never,
at least I would never expect to encounter a blacked
out black Hawk like that in a place where I
thought it was okay to just take a vehicle.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
And I'm sorry, just to clarify, this is a stealth craft.
So if it's blacked out, right, is it like really
hard to see, is that?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Or what's more, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
More that it's not illuminating. Yes. So given the given
the weather at the time and the time of night,
and given given Smith's expectation, right, the argument is reasonable expectation.
So you could say, for instance, if we if we
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finally pulled the trigger on Buy and our bunk out
out in the mountains, and then we're all having a
good time on our four wheelers and all of a
sudden one of us four wheeling in the dark smacks
up against a thing. Yeah, and that thing is owned
by the US government. With whom does the liability?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
With whom does the liability fall? Is it Uncle Sam?
Or is it the person on the on the other vehicle?
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I mean it like you said, it's active.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
It's sort of the equivalent of parking an invisible truck,
like in the middle of the road.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I mean, think, I'm sorry, I'm leaning into the stealth thing.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
I know it's not invisible, but it is dark, very
darkly colored, and if the lights are completely off, you
would not see that coming, especially if it were white
out e type conditions like it might be. You know,
you'd sleek it be at full speed I mean, that's
obviously what happened.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Well, let's think through analogy too, just to just to
interject this. Let's say, for instance, let's change the circumstances
a little bit, just at context to the legal argument.
So what if you are this guy is on Smith
is on an established snowmobile trail. Okay, he's not just
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freestyling it through the woods. This is an established snowmobile trail,
and there is an unexpected anomalous vehicle directly in that path. So,
for instance, think of for anybody who's a fan of
off roading, for anybody who's a fan of driving around
unpaved streets. You know, let's say you were doing something
(24:35):
like that, and you know what, here's a better way.
Let's say you're on a state road and you're driving
home and it's late at night, and all of a sudden,
there's a there's a jet in the middle of the
road you're driving on, and you just go over a
turn or you hit a hill the wrong way and
you don't have time to veer. For anybody who rides
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a snowmobile, you know that it is very difficult to
like quote unquote stop on a dime. So in that case. Again,
who is liable in that situation?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Is this one of those situations though, where it's like
the government doesn't make mistakes, this is not.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Our fault because we refuse to own up to it.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Well, we were never there. I don't know, Like, what
are they saying?
Speaker 7 (25:24):
So so the government this has been going on again.
It started in twenty nineteen, right, so the government has
attempted to outright dismiss the entire case based on some
older some older laws and just some older rulings like
the Federal Tort Claims Act. Because the reason why the
helicopter was there was a policy decision, had nothing to
(25:46):
do with the crew. The crew had no idea that
they were landing in this area that was an active
snowmobile route. They're saying that, oh, in our policies, there's
nothing that requires that crew who's running that helicopter to
illuminate it. That's that we don't have anything that states
that we didn't know nothing, we did nothing wrong. It's
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it's Smith's fault for driving sixty five miles per hour
on a snowmobile, which is really fast.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It's fast.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Are there posted limits on these types of motorways.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Whoa fun police?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
No, you're right, you're right. That's an excellent question. Also,
also there's another question too, like if there were and
I don't know how far the courts will go in
entertaining this, But to the point about illumination, right, Like
what illumination would have mattered? Is it? Sort of? Because
(26:44):
this was not a planned landing, right Like, they weren't
this It wasn't part of their immediate mission to land there.
It's something they had to do, so.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
It's an emergency maneuver of some kinds.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
No, it was part of a night training, right that
might I don't mean to contradict, I just I think
this was night training.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Why didn't they park on the shoulder?
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Well, the argument is that the crew had no idea
where the tail of the craft was was actually on
this active trail, right, And.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
It makes sense that the crew would not know that.
But then the reason I'm getting to the illumination argument
is like to Nole's question about pulling over on the
side of the road versus just stopping a broke down
car on the highway. If you when we have a
lot of fellow conspiracy realists who drive semi semi trucks, right,
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so like there is a well established operation for landing,
and if this is training, then you know you would
enact that operation.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
You got to rehearse before you go live. In those
cases where you have a car pulled over, you have
all kinds of emergency flares and things like that. So
for anyone driving a tractor trailer a semi you know
that if there are engine problems, mobility problems, you have
a set of procedures, things like road flares or even
(28:10):
the little triangles you're supposed to set in some columns
the vehicle.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Yeah, and saw those at walmartin places for non commercial vehicles,
like for your vehicle that they just flash red lights,
but they're sufficiently bright to warn people.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
And that's all that's about.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
That's the question, Matt, Like at this, I don't know
much about the We know it was night, we know
it was snowing. Was there any was there any illumination
that would have mattered?
Speaker 7 (28:41):
I would argue if I was Smith's attorney that yes,
even if he's traveling sixty five miles per hour, if
he sees something glowing even slightly on the snow like that,
because the ground is covered in snow, so it's gonna
be way more reflective any light that you put out there, right,
I think he would have time to at least moved,
(29:02):
you know, away a bit to the left, let's say,
a couple of feet, because he only clipped a very
tail end of that machine.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
I think as attorneys have a point there. Yes, but
but again, this these are these are military professionals training
for a specific situation where you're going in at night
in the dark. So they're doing what they're supposed to
be doing to train correctly.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I don't is this your main story, Matt.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
No, But that's okay. This was this. I like talking
about this with you guys.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It's good.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I didn't realize it was going to generate so much conversation.
There's a lot of questions. I just I feel like
they have to be liable.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
It certainly say this seems like they were following procedure,
you know, if that's what matters, if they determined that
they did not follow protocol, because it seems like anything
outside of that isn't going to matter.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Well, it also goes I think there's a reasonable Again,
we are not lawyers, uh, I think there is in
this country. I think there is a reasonable expectation that
you could argue here right like this, this community seems
to be unaware that there were training exercises happening, right
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And then you know, you can already kind of game
out the back and forth of it. But what you
can't get around is the idea that a totally innocent
dude just having a sick time on a snowmobile got
his life ruined, And he got his life ruined when
he was doing the right things. He was just riding
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a snowmobile on an established trail for that he was
going to go home, he was going to have a
great night. And now he is probably up to his
neck in medical debt, combined with a multi year struggle
legally against one of the most powerful entities in the world,
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which is the United States government, And that seems pretty well.
Maybe I'm putting an editorial thumb on the scale, but I.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Don't editorially speaking, though, doesn't it seem like at this
point they would just help him out for optics alone,
Like why does the go do they always have to
be right? Why can't they just be like you know what?
It was a it was a bit of a whoopsie.
You know we're gonna help you out with these bills.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Oh, and get in front of this question. The snowmobile
does have lights, Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Oh yeah, snowmobile has lights. But again, you're going through
forested areas that have openings where there's way more field
basically covered in snow than trees.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
And dense trees. Right turns like probably hairpin turns.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Who knows, and shout out to the crew because they
when they heard that smack, they got out immediately and
started helping the guy.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Yeah, the first responders were the guys who were who
were training, and thankfully they knew, you know, things like
first response to somebody who's injured like that. They couldn't
immediately save him, save him like and just fix all
his problems, but they were able to at least triage
him enough to get him on a flight to because
I think that he had to get airlifted almost immediately
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again because internal bleeding, punctured.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Lung, doesn't broken ribs.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yikes, guys, we're barely going to touch the other story,
but let's do it so at least we talked about
it a bit. We have a first here in these
old United States. Firsts don't come along very often anymore.
But we've got one, the first person in the United
States to be prosecuted for smuggling greenhouse gases into the
(32:42):
United States. What it's happening right now? Southern District of California.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Okay, wait wait, smuggling gases into the US.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Not yes, yes, specifically hydrofloral carbons.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Oh, we don't like those. They're bad for the ozone layer.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Oh those are so tight, man, I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Sorry to what end if I might ask?
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Well, this person, his name is Michael Hart. He's fifty
eight years old. He lives in San Diego. He is accused,
He stands accused of bringing those hydrofluoro carbons in and
then selling them on Facebook marketplace. So at least according
to all of these documents, it's saying that he put
these hydrofluorocarbons and containers into his car, covered them up
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so he could get past you know, I guess customs
as you go through the border right there when you
get the check, the border check, and then basically held
them until he could sell them on Facebook.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Facebook.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, man, okay, granddad.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Well, but I mean that's a way to sell things.
That's a viable way to sell things.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
These do when to get scammed. It's terrible on there.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Oh really, Oh dude, I've never.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Had selling some furniture on Facebook Marketplace and I got
way more bots, you know, then I got actual people.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Just I sort of never do it again.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Well I've not learned my lesson yet. I'm gonna try
one day. I'm sure I'll forget that you said that,
but I can't. I look forward to it. But this person,
Michael Hart, he faces thirteen separate charges. Just going to
give you a couple of them, conspiracy, importation contrary to law,
multiple counts of selling imported merchandise contrary to law, and
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criminal forfeiture. He could face decades in prison if convicted
on any one of the charges related to illegal importation
of hydro floro carbons. And we have to just bring
this up, guys. This all has to do with a
newish thing from twenty twenty. It was a law that
arose in twenty twenty called the aim Act. Aim Act.
(34:50):
It gives the EPA the authority to reduce production of
hydrofluoric carbons reduce consumption. I'm not sure how you do
that of hydrofluoral carbons. Those are the two main things
that this Amact does, right, hydrofluorocarbons you may remember as
connected to or related to another thing. What have they
(35:11):
called ben CFC's CFCs.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Carbons.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Yes, so these are refrigerants that you will find in
your refrigerator. Everybody, right now, you've got some of these
in your house. Do you have an air conditioner in
your house? You probably have some of these gases that
are you know, in strategic places in your house. They
have to do with cooling it and.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
They're not illegal in that sense, or they're being phased
out or what.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
I'm still a little confused about what the law is
around these substances. Well, and a man who's paying for
this stuff on Facebook marketplace?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And why? I'm sorry if that's too many questions.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
I think, and I don't know, I haven't seen the
details like that are this granular. But I think if
you're in the market for hfc's or CFCs like this,
you're probably working on air conditioners or or some kind
of home HVAC systems as your job. Because those refrigerants
are extremely expensive and you often have to go to
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somebody's house if you're a service person and refill the
refrigerants within their AC system or their refrigerator.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
And maybe getting them through legal means requires a lot
of licensing and hoops and stuff like that, and this
is just a quicker route.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
To that theoretically, or it's a way for.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Him to make money, right, he can buy Yeah, but
the reason that people would buy it rather than go
through the proper channels is because it's either cheaper or
easier to get and they don't have to, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Fill out some forms or something. Maybe I don't know,
it's just the thought.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
Theoretically it would it would be easier to buy it
on Facebook marketplace like that, then go through all the channels.
I'm assuming, but I don't know that for sure. We're
gonna check back in on this and see how this
first turns out. He recently appeared in federal court. He
pleaded not guilty this week as we record this, and
he's going to be showing back up on March twenty
fifth to hang out with the US District Judge Jeffrey Miller.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Exciting stuff, everybody, All.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
Right, let us know if you hear anything about this,
or if you hear anything about hfc's and this new
aim act, and we'll be right back with more strange news.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
And we have returned. Fellow conspiracy realists. You may recall
that not too long ago we covered the concept of
the fragile thing that makes the current world run the Internet.
Before we get to that, because it is going to
be a bit of a weird bummer, a bit of
(37:43):
a mystery, I wanted to share with you, guys Matt's
nooel dot. I wanted to share some quick things. One
thing to talk about which may be good news. Did you,
guys hear that credit card fees are going to get
capped in the United States?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Is it actually happening.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
It's something that will hopefully happen late. Fees with credit
cards are going to be capped at eight dollars instead
of the average of thirty two dollars per overdraw. And
given the serious rate of credit card interest in the
US and the accelerating economic inequality, I think that's a
(38:23):
good thing if you have I'm mainly bringing this up
as a mention, fellow conspiracy realist, if you have a
credit card debt of any sort, please do pay it
off as soon as you can. That stuff is predatory.
No hyperbole there, right, Like, we've all seen that happen
(38:44):
to people.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
We know.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
It's such a tough situation because they rack up so quickly.
The way our society functions now, you'll you'll throw your
credit card at things and you will not realize you've
racked up one hundred dollars, two hundred dollars, three hundred dollars,
and you're like, oh crap, how did I spend that
much money? And I swear it's because of that disconnect
now with the card or our phone or whatever the
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electronic transaction is. Now, it's so easy to over to
overspend I guess right, or.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Even to be forced in a situation where that is
your only strategic move. Hopefully that is good news these
write to us. I think there's a credit card episode
that might be on the way. Whether it's ridiculous history
or stuff they don't want you to know, we can
say for sure, the way credit cards work, and the
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way indeed credit as a concept works, is something they
don't want you to know. In the West, ask yourself,
why don't you get financial literacy as a core class
in high school?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Because you're a battery man.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
That's all you are.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
We need to talk about capital one buying discover that's
a huge deal.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Shut it down. No, the show's over thirty five year. Yes, yeah, absolutely,
so that is hopefully good news. Also, in a stunningly
late to the game opinion, the London School of Economics
has concluded the thing called trickle down economics aka what
(40:20):
is it? Horses and sparrow economics as it was once
called aka tax cuts for the wealthy, turns out it
doesn't work. Oh they figured it out, Happy twenty twenty
four London School of Economics, lasting before we get to
the main store.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
But Ben, Ben, you feed the horses, the horses poop,
then the sparrows are satisfied.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, it trickles down.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Oh through, it trickles through.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Well, gravity wise, I guess, because the horse's mouth is
further from the poop.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
This was one of the bedrocks of Reaganomics, and it
turns out what it was a grift the whole time.
And it's a griff that continues today with disastrous consequences
for everyone listening. Even if you are benefiting from it
in a short term environment, there is a long term
there is a horizon ahead and this makes me think
(41:15):
of something. Ah, guys, I don't know if we'll get
to the main story, but it is important. We'll have
to at least mention it. There's something on my mind.
We all of us on the show now, we live
in urban or suburban environments. Do you, guys hear car
alarms often?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah. I always assume it's mine.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
And it's weird that I don't actually know what mine
sounds like, because they're all kind of different. But it's
usually not, thankfully, But man, I do doc.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Can we get a just a sample of like the
stereotypical car alarm?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Oh god, there it is.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Everybody teamed out. They heard it, and they ignored it.
Speaker 7 (41:52):
So weirdly enough. Where I live now, I do not
hear that. But if I'm in Atlanta, like we're going
to a shoot or something like, definitely will just catch it.
If I've got my windows down rolling through the Atlanta
I hear those sounds all the time, appear appear up here.
(42:13):
I hear what I think are house alarms in the
distance because sound carries differently out here in the boon with.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Less noise pollution.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
Yeah, but I swear I hear you're also like penetrating
no no, no, yes, yeah, like laser gun sounds.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
You know. Yes.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I feel like if we if we all lived further
out in this mountainous compound that I fantasize about increasingly,
then we are are. A car alarm would be more effective,
A house alarm would be more effective, even if it
was just a recording of one of us yelling.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
Hey, seriously, some dudes out here yelling to call you guys.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I just called.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
So. The problem is, and I think this is what
we're getting at specifically here, Noel. The problem is that
those things, when they become ubiquitous and familiar, just like
when you're driving in the city, Matt, they're easy to ignore, right.
They become part of your sort of sonic environment, like
(43:23):
nol Win is, for instance, in your neck of the woods.
When is the last time you heard a car alarm
and went, holy smokes, I better go outside.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Jimmy stuck in the well? I don't never. It's just annoyance, and.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
It is a it's noise pollution, that's all it is.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
So Unfortunately, a similar thing is happening in hospitals. Oh geez, yeah,
the hospital.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Wow, that Ben, I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
A little conversational parkour. So we started with the good stuff.
Now we're gonna do once like if you work in UH,
if you were in the medical industry, if you work
in hospitals in particular, first off, thank you. We recognize
the caliber of your work, and we understand the emotional
(44:12):
toll it has to take, an indeed, the physical toll,
especially in an ongoing pandemic hospital workers. It turns out
here up to one thousand alarm noises per shift. This
is coming to us from New Atlas courtesy of Paul McClure,
and this just came out this month as we record.
(44:35):
And what happens when you hear all those beats, even
if you are a trained professional, is that you will
encounter semantic satiation, you know, or you.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Will encounter centory overlook.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
So like semantic satiation is where you take a word
like ambassador, and you just say it so often or
hear it so often it loses its meaning. It becomes
a series of just random noises.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
Say her a name in the mirror over and over again.
It'll start to sound real weird in your head, like
it's it's an interesting phenomenon. It doesn't even take that
many times, and I can speak from personal experience so
recently in a hospital with a loved one. These alarms
happen all the time for pretty innocuous reasons too. They're
not all coding events or like flatlining events. Some of
(45:27):
them are just oh, the battery and the ivy.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Pole to your place.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
And I had to go get someone several times, mainly
because it was just obnoxious and we were you know,
unpleasant in the room and they were none the wiser
until I told them about it. But again, you have
to assume there's you know, if it's really serious, it'll
flash a light or do something extra, one would hope,
(45:52):
but what are you finding?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Then?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
We always want to assume that there is someone at
the wheel right, and unfortunately that is not always the case.
As McLure points out McClure themselves being a former ICU
Intensive care unit nurse. McClure points out that a study
found in the journal Critical Care Medicine discovered that only
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fifteen percent of all of these alarms, all these hospital
beeps in a critical care environment are quote clinically relevant,
which means that you'll hear a ton of beeps, and
only fifteen percent of them will be the hurry up
and runs that will lead to what is portrayed as
(46:38):
alarm fatigue desensitization. Just like if you live in a
city you hear car alarms all the time, you think
somebody just bumped into some other car when they were parking,
somebody clicked their little keyfob wrong, and you might not
immediately think a car is being broken into, or a
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serious situation and is escalating. I don't know, man, I
just would to point that out. I don't know what
to do with it. It's just it's getting to be
rethinking a lot of things.
Speaker 7 (47:09):
We need a new position in all hospitals, and that
is the alarm technician in the minder.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Oh oh, town crier.
Speaker 7 (47:16):
Yeah, that's all this person does. They just hear the beafs,
they go check. Oh that's nothing, hear the beep, go check.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Oh help. Hey, it's like our car alarm.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
Right, It's exactly like our car alarm.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
So I want to shout out two of the authors
of the study that McClure also cites. These are Joseph
Schlessinger and Michael Schutz, who are looking into just like
with car alarms, they're looking into how changing those sonic
notifications might help medical professionals be on the ball. Perhaps
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we could build a hierarchy of sound there, and perhaps
that already exists. You know, this is something that we
can only learn about, not being medical professionals. We can
only learn about it through terrible personal experience, as you indicated,
as we've all been in that situation at some point.
Or we can learn about it through the magic of
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the internet un less noh oh, the pivot, yeah, the
turn unless uh our internet gets cut off? Do you
guys remember when we recently did that episode about undersea cables.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Most definitely things about when you put in that context,
but I'm not superversed on the nature of this region particularly,
or like the conflicts that are going on.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Yeah, we're going to talk about the Red Sea as
we end our recording here.
Speaker 7 (48:43):
Uh oh wait, that wasn't that the place that we
focused on as being one of the most vulnerable areas?
Speaker 4 (48:49):
But no way, no, really we did, right, Yes we did. Yeah, So,
what's a what's like a quick, hot and dirty recap
of under the internet communication?
Speaker 7 (49:01):
The Internet as you know it, I wherever you are
on the continent which you live, it flows from your
continent through these undersea cables that are buried or sometimes
just hanging out at the bottom of the ocean, and
it travels. Let's imagine all the way from North America
to Africa, all the way from parts of what everywhere,
(49:25):
Every continent basically is connected up through the snaking undersea
cables and they are actually the Internet tubes.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (49:33):
If you imagine the server for whatever service you're using
that you're accessing via the Internet isn't on the continent
where you preside, then you are accessing that stuff from
a server that is across these tubes.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Perfect. Yeah. So on September twentieth and twenty twenty three,
as the Humans wreckon the calendar, we publish an episode
about what we call the underwater Internet spoiler. That's a
redundant phrase, just like vennumber or ATM machine, the Internet
is underwater. And ever since the days of Samuel Morse
(50:10):
and the Telegraph, that has been the case for global communication.
Satellites are very important and also likewise fragile, but way
more of your daily global online activity is going through
tubes or depending on those undersea tubes. And recently that
(50:31):
came to the four of the conversation because in the
Red Sea several tubes got cut. There we're talking about
the We'll give you the names of these lines and
this comes to us from HGC Global Communications out of
Hong Kong. One of the lines is Asia Africa Europe one,
(50:56):
the other one is the Europe India Gateway, and then
there's c COMM and TG in Golf. This affected twenty
five percent of the Internet traffic flowing through the Red Sea.
This is just like it might sound weird to talk
about a bunch of zeros and ones on the same
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level of a mining resource or oil, but it's very
much the case in global civilization to day.
Speaker 7 (51:27):
Because these are international, international transfers of money.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Often.
Speaker 7 (51:32):
Yes, that's what's going through these That's one of the
primary things that happens through these.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Yeah. So what the initial reporting said, I never thought
we'd be in this position, guys. The initial reporting says
that the UTI forces in Yemen had purposely cut the cables,
and to be completely transparent, in our previous episode, we
pointed out the vulnerability and indeed you could argue that
(51:59):
we dic did something like this occurring. However, also in
fairness to our little initiative, here. We did not say
we were going to do it. We didn't we didn't
name any specific force that was going.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
To do it.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
We pointed out the vulnerability exist, right.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Yes, I had to say yes.
Speaker 7 (52:20):
And just to be clear, we weren't the only people
talking about that for the past couple of years, because
it's just one of these things. It's like, once you
realize that's how it happens and that's how vulnerable it is,
I think it's right to say, hey, maybe we should
find something to do because a ship's anchor like has
breached these cables several times since we recorded that episode,
(52:44):
just accidentally because they dropped anchor in the wrong.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
Place, and that is the most plausible explanation here. Again,
we're not We're not making a larger comment regarding the
current instability, the massacres against civilians and Yemen, nor are
we talking about the other problems on the horizon for
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that region. What we're saying is it has always been
a statistical inevitability. It has been a statistical certitude that
something this crucial and this vulnerable would be damaged in
the wake of chaos. And what most likely happened, as
we in tonight's program. Is this no who These are
(53:32):
targeting ships, killing some ships. And when these ships get hit,
some of them are big old boys. And those big
old boys have big old anchors, and those anchors when
a ship is compromised, when it is damaged, those anchors
just drag willy nilly across stuff. So what probably happened,
(53:55):
best guess right now, what probably happened was a consequence,
an unforeseen consequence occurred. And this is not again, this
is not us defending anyone. If anything, this is us
pointing out once again, when elephants make war, man, it's
the grass. The grass is the first thing to go.
(54:17):
Turns out, the same thing happens when they make love. Sorry,
that's true. You know well, making love is kind of
like making war.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
It's a little weird. It's not like a little person.
Speaker 5 (54:27):
To say that make love.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
It's as bad as make WHOOPI.
Speaker 7 (54:31):
Jeez with make love as war?
Speaker 3 (54:37):
Metal?
Speaker 4 (54:37):
Right, that is metal af radical affection, radical empathy. Uh.
We want to hear your thoughts on this, folks. We
want to hear your thoughts on the vulnerability of this
fragile thing we call human civilization. We want to hear
about the last time you encountered military craft in the wild.
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Out out to our fellow conspiracy realist who who hipped
us to a very true story about aircraft being stored
in a Walmart in the middle of nowhere. Uh and uh,
we want to hear about your experience, uh in willy
Wonka Land.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah, if you went.
Speaker 6 (55:19):
I mean it sounds like a lot of the reports
back to are like, well that was worth. The price
of admission is to be part of history.
Speaker 4 (55:27):
They would make money. Hand over AI fist.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (55:32):
They haven't quite figured out fists yet, are they. They
still look a little.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Hands in general?
Speaker 7 (55:39):
Can can you put your hands on top of my hands?
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Why a picture for the website?
Speaker 4 (55:45):
Why did that come to you so hard? That one guy?
All right, Okay, well we're gonna we're gonna call it
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
superproducer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you
are you are here. That makes this the stuff they
don't want you to know. It is the top of
the week as we hurdle headlong through March.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Now.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
We have some adventures that will catch you up on
in the near future, but for now, there is so
much strange stuff happening. There are people smuggling things as ever,
but maybe not the things would expect. We are going
to I don't want to say it, but we might
(01:06):
have some hot takes on the Red Sea. We'll get
to it later. For now, we have to address, of course,
one of the most pressing issues in the world of
conspiracy and international discourse in the modern day. Let's go
to you, Noel. You're a fan of Charlie and Chocolate Factory.
(01:27):
We've talked about role.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Doll Yeah, I'm a big fan of roll Doll's books,
especially the creepy ones. And I'm with folks that are
saying that even the slightly has an age super well
stuff should not be like rewritten.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I think that's weird.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I think once we start doing that, it's like a
real slippery slope. So just getting my soapbox moment and
on that. But I'm also a fan of the Gene
Wilder movie. I think the very of its age.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know, the the chocolate waterfall looks like diarrhea. That's true.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It's also very stuff they don't want you to know.
There is no earthly way of no.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's true. That's the tunnel.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Yeah, the Tunnel of Doom also taken reappropriated by Marilyn
Manson for the video for his hit song Dope hat
off of Smell that Smells Like Children the Portrait of
an American Family, And I believe on that record too.
I'm sorry I'm showing my former Manson I roots there's
(02:25):
a sample, or at least he does the there's no
earthly way of knowing and the rowers keep hol ring.
But he doesn't like a horrible Marilyn Manson kind of way.
That guy sucks. He's done terrible things. Not a good dude.
But anyway, yeah, I think you know, roll Doahll looms large.
He's become such a institution in Hollywood with you know,
remakes and some of them good, some of them not
(02:45):
so good. I thought the Tim Burton Charlie and the
Chocolate Factory was quite bad.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
But then there was a little run of some of
the short.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Stories that were done by Wes Anderson is short films,
and all of those are excellent. They're just really, really
really what Henry Sugar I believe was one where the
sets kind of move and it's just it really hits
the spirit of the whimsy of a roll doll.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
And this is big money, you guys.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
I mean, we have got the Timothy chalomet reboot of
the franchise, you know, with him as the star of
those young Wonka with sort of a backstory, and people
are you tend to capitalize on that, as was the
case in Scotland in Glasgow, to be more precise, where
a you know, you see these things all the time,
(03:32):
stuffs to some better than others, things like the Museum
of ice Cream or they're like.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The Balloon Museum, often that you have museums and.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Then we're like van Go the experience, there's.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Sort of experience a change.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But those are really cool.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Some of them are better than others.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I heard the van Go one sucked and was like
kind of mid you know, and just was a little
bit underwhelming. And they're often quite expensive, and they're often
set up in these massive industrial warehouse spaces and they
travel around depending on their success, you know, you might
be coming to a town near you some kind.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Of roadshow version of it. You know.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Miao Wolf is a great example of an excellent one
that is like so immersive. We went to the one
in Vegas. But they also have franchises of these, you know,
in other countries and other cities. But in Glasgow, something
called Willie's Chocolate Experience was scheduled to run for two
days only, February twenty fourth and twenty fifth, promising all
(04:30):
sorts of wonders you know to the good people of
Glasgow and their and their children.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I think the website has yeah, oh yeah, no it has,
and it's still up.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
And this event was promoted by a company with a
really awesome name for this show, House of Illuminati folks.
No joke curated or created this event, and they promoted
it as being a cutting edge experience that uses artificial
intelligence for scripting and for concept design and all this stuff,
(05:04):
and on their website or whatever wherever this stuff was
posted originally, now it's kind of been screenshotted and posted
all over the place. They have some of these AI
generated images which are just like the quintessential kind of
sort of psychedelic nightmare fuel that you'd imagine an AI
would spit out when asked to reproduce Willy Wonka escapes,
you know, where things are just like a little too twisty,
(05:27):
the lollipops, you know, spiral off into oblivion and kind
of awkward and uncomfortable ways.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And things look a little too wormy, kind of almost mansonesque, well.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Very much so.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I mean, there is a macabre quality to what they're
trying to pitch as this wondrous thing, and that extends
very much to the text on some of these images
that you can still find anywhere.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
People are referring to this stuff as cursed.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
But the initial text on this kind of you know,
digital promo flyer thing promises the fun following cat gigating
live performances, catchy tons XR surgery, lollipops, and a paradise
of sweet teats, and.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It's at the top. It's got a big banner saying
in chair and in ing intertainment, in char in ining entertainment,
and all.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
This stuff was put out there like they didn't prove
read it or something. Again this we're you know, we're
proponents of using stuff as tools. AI has the potential
to be an interesting thing in the hands of the
right people.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
When you just feed it.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Nonsense and say do a thing like this and don't
have any oversight, you're gonna get cat gagating and in
char in in ing entertainment and apparently a paradise of
sweet teats. So all this was promised for the I
believe nominal fee of around forty five dollars American. I
think it was maybe thirty five pounds something like that
(07:02):
or thirty five euro.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You're right, thirty five British pounds. So because it's Scotland,
so forty four dollars fifty eight cents US.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
And the AI part, you know, also was promoted as
being the source of the scripting for the actors. This
is this is not like an AI, you know, virtual
reality experience. This is like a brick and mortar pop
up type experience that they're promising to recreate this stuff,
you know, that's depicted in these really kind of wormy,
(07:31):
disturbing images. I'm looking at one right now, and I
just it's got real sandworm vibes and like you look
in the in the bushes and they're these bunny rabbits,
but they look like they're smiling with like really rancid,
like twenty teeth almost Like again, I'm looking at it,
not zoomed in, but you know the way AI does
where it'll just kind of one part of something will
(07:52):
be just a little smeared or a little kind of
wonky and not ripe wonky.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
That's appropriate, but AnyWho.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
The scripting for this was also generated by AI and
was meant to be memorized by the actors who were
hired and showed up the day before the launch of
the thing, and Ben pointed out off air that there's
some amazing accounts for some of these actors who were
just trying to make a day rate, you know, for
doing this thing.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
They didn't know much about it.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
They showed up assuming that the thing hadn't been completed
a lot of times these things, you know, if you've
ever been to a circus even or like Cirqa Sola,
they're building that stuff up to the wire a lot
of times the day before, like before. That's not to
malign Sirk to Sole. They probably have it up longer
than that, but for some of these maybe lower budget things,
you know, time and personnel are at a premium, so
(08:38):
they're trying to maximize that. These actors were giving them
the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
However, when the day one game and.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Families and their kids were streaming in to this industrial warehouse,
there wasn't any change from what they had witnessed the
night before, which was kind of these scantily decorated walls
with these like backdrops that are just comically small, whereas
it's almost like they just took some of these AI
images and you know, printed them on fabric but not
(09:08):
very big. And it's in the middle of a giant
bear like rock looking wall, like a concrete looking slab wall.
There's like a rainbow entryway that you can see the
seam on it. There's a lab they call the Imagination
Lab where they are these OPA lumpa type things which
are called I believe in the script are called wonka
(09:29):
doodles or wonky doodles, something to that effect. And the
image I believe that first went viral, which is a
term that I hate, but you get what it means,
was an image of this young woman playing an opa
lumpa and looking really bummed out, surrounded by what appears
to be the things that you would find in a
(09:49):
meth lab.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
I was just gonna say, the way, the way I'm
looking at it, from the images that are available that
I've seen mostly on X, it looks like if I,
Matt Frederick, decided to like make my son a birthday
party inside a giant warehouse and I could only access
the things that I, as Matt Frederick, could access and
(10:13):
like find in a couple of days and like throw together.
It just it feels exactly like that, like objection.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Objection, you, Matt Frederick would do a much better job.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I think it would be really close to this, guys.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
I would find somebody to be like, hey, can I
give you four to five dollars to like pretend to
be whatever you just said.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Doodle and do Let's not forget about the unknown who
was named the unknown because his name is unknown. This
is all stuff that the AI script generated.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
We're gonna do a little reading because Gizmoto has the
whole thing linked out and posted and it all checks
with what we've We've heard the actors describing, you know,
and the little bits of commentary they've offered to the
whole thing. But it was apparently so bad that parents,
like their kids were crying because this unknown thing, which
is just like a person wearing like a spooky robe
(11:12):
kind of and like one of those silver masks that
you get in like spirit Halloween and like at a wig,
does a really serious jump scare.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I didn't sign up for a job. I don't like
jump scares.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
I'm forty year old man and I don't go to
haunted houses because jump scares freaked me out. So I
would have been her to too, because apparently the kids
were in tears. Not to mention, once they made it
through that traumatic event, they were only given a single
jelly bean and a half a glass of like Tesco
brand lemonade. It's wow. And that's the image of the
(11:45):
Opa Loipa. The wind viral is the station where the
jelly beans were handed and there's images because people.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Were taking videos with their phones just.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
To document this debacle for posterity, I guess, to back
up their claims, their eventual claims to the police.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And you can see this person taking.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Like the tiniest little jelly bean and placing it in
the hand of a child.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It's it's it's sad stuff, you guys.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I don't know what am I missing anything with this setup.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It's been described as the fire Festival for kids.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, the the one of the actors I think it's
Kirsty Patterson that portrays the sad Yeah, is actually doing
their best. And there was a later interview with The Independent.
I want to say where several of the actors are
(12:40):
actually one of the actors who played Willie McDuff.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
He's the one. Yeah, because they did it only for
like half a day.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, they talked about it and they have this classic
moment where they're like, well, we uh, we knew it
was messed up, so we went to the pub and
let it blow over. But they they got the job offer,
you know, a side unseen from like indeed dot com
or something, And I think there was in the beginning
(13:09):
a bit of a bit of a trend toward vilifying
those actors who were just trying to work. They were not, Like,
they were not the boardroom of the what is it know,
the house of House of Illuminati. Yeah, they were not.
They were hired guns on this one. And I just
want to give a shout out to Patterson because it
(13:30):
sounds like, outside of those viral clips, it sounds like
she was doing her best in a weird situation and
peek behind the curtain. I know, Matt, Nolan and I
and Doc I would hazard you as well, have found
ourselves in weird situations where we have to do strange things. Matt,
(13:53):
I'm thinking specifically about the time we were explaining cryptids
to a bunch of raucous kids in Maryland and they
were yelling at us because they knew we had a monkey.
That is a true story, Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
I'm thinking about the time I worked at a private
club and I got paid to pretend I was Middle
Eastern and WHOA, yes.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Are you not Middle Eastern?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No?
Speaker 7 (14:18):
No, at least I don't think so. But maybe aren't
we all in some way? But what I'm what I'm
saying is like I just I've been in a situation
where I was getting paid, I was acting, and I
thought I was doing great when I was a kid.
When I was a kid, But if you look back
at it, it's like, what is happening right now?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I didn't have to do anything problematic.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
I don't think that I can recall, but I worked
for a children's science center for a time where I
did like the science show or you did the you know,
the static electricity on the balloon and things like that with.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Kids, and it was fun. It was a glorious time,
but you know, it's stressful. Kids are kids are tough.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Kids are a tough audience and it takes, you know,
a lot of planning and coordination to make them happy
at an event like this and this kid.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, still, I still do career days at public schools
by far the toughest crowd ever.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
Can I just say I pushed that thought, that memory
out of my head ben doing that performance. So the
kid with the kids, specifically with the the monkey.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
God, that one you tend to be Middle East.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's back.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm sorry, oh God.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And I came up under the auspice of the grand
old opry. Let's move on.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, I just want to This is a really great
uh X.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Is that what you call the individual things? From a
user name at Cheerwine who sums it up beautifully. You're
six years old, you live in Glasgow. You are told
you will be meeting Willie Wonka eating chocolate. You arrive,
you are given a single jelly bean buttered popcorn flavor.
The Baba Duke is there.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Because to your point, Noel, there is a jump scare there.
That is something that would be I don't want to
say it should be verboten, but one would imagine if
one were a parent. It's the kind of thing you,
as a parent would want to know your kids are
encountering before you go into it. So they got a
(16:25):
hard time and we get it. The four of us
get it, folks, and probably you listening along at home.
Live productions are tough, right, theater is tough, But it's
also fire Festival. That's the best. Oh yeah, Firefest for kids.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Just to wrap it up, you know, it's when you
read the scripts, which I just wanted to read, a
tiny little exert of again fully generated by a I
clearly not edit it at all. After the fact, it
paints a pretty cool picture that I'm sure would have
been really neat if they executed it. There's magical bubbles
popping and you know, twinkling lights in the sky.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
There's a spooky forest.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
There's a confrontation between the Unknown, who, by the way,
is an evil chocolate maker who lives in the walls
of the chocolate factory and is Willy there's always not
even Willy Wonker. By the way, he's Willy McDuff.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I need to mention that is sworn enemy, right, this
evil chocolate maker.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Who lives in the walls.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
There's some stuff that they have this confrontation at the
end of the script that involves this you know, Terrry Potter.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Style battle of shooting powers at each other or whatever.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
And then it ends with the Unknown being vacuumed up
by a giant vacuum cleaner. Because, by the way, the
coveted item like which you'll remember from the film and
the book, the Everlasting Gobstopper that Charlie you know, is
supposed to steal and give to slug Worth and that's
how he passes the test to win the factory. In
this one, it's something called Willie's anti graffiti Gobstopper, which
(17:55):
tighties up everywhere whenever you eat it. It also somehow
tighties up helps mums and dads, but mostly mums. It
says all this in the script, so it's a there's
there's a message here too about kids cleaning their rooms,
but really quickly. This is how the script describes this relationship.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
This fiendish foe is long coveted.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
This is Willy speaking my way.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
One of my most cherished creations, the anti graffiti Gobstopper,
a marvel of confectionery science designs to aid oh, not
just any soul, but the tireless guardians of cleanliness are
beloved mums and yes, dad's true, but especially mums from
the endless scourge of dirty socks trun about by youthful adventurers.
(18:37):
And there's a joke about viagra kind of and it's
oh and the stage directions alone are worth the price
of admission. But I think we could talk about this
for way too long that I will. I think we'll
put a put a stop on it right now.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
But geez, what a what a fun you know, relatively harmless.
I guess this is part of what makes it so fun.
I think I think the people are probably going to
get their money back. They weren't you know, conned out
of thousands and kept hostage on an island, like with
fire festivals, So it seems a little less, you know,
less of an inconvenient There were people that came, you know,
(19:13):
on trains from far away who are now demanding their
train fare be refunded as well by the House of Illuminati,
the founder of which made a statement apologizing said that
the holographic equipment didn't come in in time.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
It's just what led it to be the sad display
that it ultimately was.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
So there you go live and learn.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Oh and by the way, there's also apparently a film
and production already about the Unknown, because he was the
hit of the whole charade. Let's take a quick break here,
a word from our sponsors, and then we'll be back
with another piece of strange news.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
And we've returned. Hey, before we get to the main store,
I want to talk about guys. Did you hear the
one about the snowmobile lawsuit against the government.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, watch where you park your copters.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I thought it was a joke set up.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
No, well, it's this weird situation there's some like actual
injury involved in Again, just a weird situation. So in
March twenty nineteen, this Massachusetts based attorney named Jess Smith
was writing his snowmobile through this place called Albert Farms.
It's an airfield in Worthington, Massachusetts. It's at night. He's
(20:31):
had like one or two beers at least according to
his statement. He's not drunk at it by any means,
at least according to him. But he's riding a snowmobile
at night, and he's going really fast, and unbeknownst to Jeff,
on the trail, there was a parked, non illuminated black
Hawk helicopter.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Okay, just continue, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do
the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Okay, we'll do the thing that we'll talk about really quick.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Yeah. So, according to the story, the crew of that
Blackhawk helicopter was just doing what they were told. They
flew down from New York's Fort Drum for a night
training exercise at this airfield. But Jeff had no idea
that was happening. Jeff was just riding along with a snowmobile.
He collided with the tail end of the chopper, literally
(21:19):
the tail of the chopper flew through the air, broke
a dozen ribs, punctured along suffered severe internal bleeding.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Hadn't used his left arm at all.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
He had to be airlifted to a trauma center. Lost
the use of his left arm. He's gone through numerous surgeries,
and he's been living on federal assistance since the crash
and living with his parents. So messed up, right, And
he has been suing the US government for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Right now.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
The suit is he's looking for nine point five million
dollars in damages to cover all the medical expenses, lost wages, and,
according to him and his attorneys, to hold the military
responsible for parking a blacked out black Hawk on an
active snowmobile trail.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
That was fun to say, perry to it.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
But yeah, I don't know any thoughts, guys. I just
I think it's crazy that I don't know. You would never,
at least I would never expect to encounter a blacked
out black Hawk like that in a place where I
thought it was okay to just take a vehicle.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
And I'm sorry, just to clarify, this is a stealth craft.
So if it's blacked out, right, is it like really
hard to see, is that?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Or what's more, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
More that it's not illuminating. Yes. So given the given
the weather at the time and the time of night,
and given given Smith's expectation, right, the argument is reasonable expectation.
So you could say, for instance, if we if we
(22:57):
finally pulled the trigger on Buy and our bunk out
out in the mountains, and then we're all having a
good time on our four wheelers and all of a
sudden one of us four wheeling in the dark smacks
up against a thing. Yeah, and that thing is owned
by the US government. With whom does the liability?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
With whom does the liability fall? Is it Uncle Sam?
Or is it the person on the on the other vehicle?
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I mean it like you said, it's active.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
It's sort of the equivalent of parking an invisible truck,
like in the middle of the road.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I mean, think, I'm sorry, I'm leaning into the stealth thing.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
I know it's not invisible, but it is dark, very
darkly colored, and if the lights are completely off, you
would not see that coming, especially if it were white
out e type conditions like it might be. You know,
you'd sleek it be at full speed I mean, that's
obviously what happened.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Well, let's think through analogy too, just to just to
interject this. Let's say, for instance, let's change the circumstances
a little bit, just at context to the legal argument.
So what if you are this guy is on Smith
is on an established snowmobile trail. Okay, he's not just
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freestyling it through the woods. This is an established snowmobile trail,
and there is an unexpected anomalous vehicle directly in that path. So,
for instance, think of for anybody who's a fan of
off roading, for anybody who's a fan of driving around
unpaved streets. You know, let's say you were doing something
(24:35):
like that, and you know what, here's a better way.
Let's say you're on a state road and you're driving
home and it's late at night, and all of a sudden,
there's a there's a jet in the middle of the
road you're driving on, and you just go over a
turn or you hit a hill the wrong way and
you don't have time to veer. For anybody who rides
(24:58):
a snowmobile, you know that it is very difficult to
like quote unquote stop on a dime. So in that case. Again,
who is liable in that situation?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Is this one of those situations though, where it's like
the government doesn't make mistakes, this is not.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Our fault because we refuse to own up to it.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Well, we were never there. I don't know, Like, what
are they saying?
Speaker 7 (25:24):
So so the government this has been going on again.
It started in twenty nineteen, right, so the government has
attempted to outright dismiss the entire case based on some
older some older laws and just some older rulings like
the Federal Tort Claims Act. Because the reason why the
helicopter was there was a policy decision, had nothing to
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do with the crew. The crew had no idea that
they were landing in this area that was an active
snowmobile route. They're saying that, oh, in our policies, there's
nothing that requires that crew who's running that helicopter to
illuminate it. That's that we don't have anything that states
that we didn't know nothing, we did nothing wrong. It's
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it's Smith's fault for driving sixty five miles per hour
on a snowmobile, which is really fast.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It's fast.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Are there posted limits on these types of motorways.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Whoa fun police?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
No, you're right, you're right. That's an excellent question. Also,
also there's another question too, like if there were and
I don't know how far the courts will go in
entertaining this, But to the point about illumination, right, Like
what illumination would have mattered? Is it? Sort of? Because
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this was not a planned landing, right Like, they weren't
this It wasn't part of their immediate mission to land there.
It's something they had to do, so.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
It's an emergency maneuver of some kinds.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
No, it was part of a night training, right that
might I don't mean to contradict, I just I think
this was night training.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Why didn't they park on the shoulder?
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Well, the argument is that the crew had no idea
where the tail of the craft was was actually on
this active trail, right, And.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
It makes sense that the crew would not know that.
But then the reason I'm getting to the illumination argument
is like to Nole's question about pulling over on the
side of the road versus just stopping a broke down
car on the highway. If you when we have a
lot of fellow conspiracy realists who drive semi semi trucks, right,
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so like there is a well established operation for landing,
and if this is training, then you know you would
enact that operation.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
You got to rehearse before you go live. In those
cases where you have a car pulled over, you have
all kinds of emergency flares and things like that. So
for anyone driving a tractor trailer a semi you know
that if there are engine problems, mobility problems, you have
a set of procedures, things like road flares or even
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the little triangles you're supposed to set in some columns
the vehicle.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Yeah, and saw those at walmartin places for non commercial vehicles,
like for your vehicle that they just flash red lights,
but they're sufficiently bright to warn people.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
And that's all that's about.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
That's the question, Matt, Like at this, I don't know
much about the We know it was night, we know
it was snowing. Was there any was there any illumination
that would have mattered?
Speaker 7 (28:41):
I would argue if I was Smith's attorney that yes,
even if he's traveling sixty five miles per hour, if
he sees something glowing even slightly on the snow like that,
because the ground is covered in snow, so it's gonna
be way more reflective any light that you put out there, right,
I think he would have time to at least moved,
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you know, away a bit to the left, let's say,
a couple of feet, because he only clipped a very
tail end of that machine.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
I think as attorneys have a point there. Yes, but
but again, this these are these are military professionals training
for a specific situation where you're going in at night
in the dark. So they're doing what they're supposed to
be doing to train correctly.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I don't is this your main story, Matt.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
No, But that's okay. This was this. I like talking
about this with you guys.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It's good.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I didn't realize it was going to generate so much conversation.
There's a lot of questions. I just I feel like
they have to be liable.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
It certainly say this seems like they were following procedure,
you know, if that's what matters, if they determined that
they did not follow protocol, because it seems like anything
outside of that isn't going to matter.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Well, it also goes I think there's a reasonable Again,
we are not lawyers, uh, I think there is in
this country. I think there is a reasonable expectation that
you could argue here right like this, this community seems
to be unaware that there were training exercises happening, right
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And then you know, you can already kind of game
out the back and forth of it. But what you
can't get around is the idea that a totally innocent
dude just having a sick time on a snowmobile got
his life ruined, And he got his life ruined when
he was doing the right things. He was just riding
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a snowmobile on an established trail for that he was
going to go home, he was going to have a
great night. And now he is probably up to his
neck in medical debt, combined with a multi year struggle
legally against one of the most powerful entities in the world,
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which is the United States government, And that seems pretty well.
Maybe I'm putting an editorial thumb on the scale, but I.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Don't editorially speaking, though, doesn't it seem like at this
point they would just help him out for optics alone,
Like why does the go do they always have to
be right? Why can't they just be like you know what?
It was a it was a bit of a whoopsie.
You know we're gonna help you out with these bills.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Oh, and get in front of this question. The snowmobile
does have lights, Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Oh yeah, snowmobile has lights. But again, you're going through
forested areas that have openings where there's way more field
basically covered in snow than trees.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
And dense trees. Right turns like probably hairpin turns.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Who knows, and shout out to the crew because they
when they heard that smack, they got out immediately and
started helping the guy.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Yeah, the first responders were the guys who were who
were training, and thankfully they knew, you know, things like
first response to somebody who's injured like that. They couldn't
immediately save him, save him like and just fix all
his problems, but they were able to at least triage
him enough to get him on a flight to because
I think that he had to get airlifted almost immediately
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again because internal bleeding, punctured.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Lung, doesn't broken ribs.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yikes, guys, we're barely going to touch the other story,
but let's do it so at least we talked about
it a bit. We have a first here in these
old United States. Firsts don't come along very often anymore.
But we've got one, the first person in the United
States to be prosecuted for smuggling greenhouse gases into the
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United States. What it's happening right now? Southern District of California.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Okay, wait wait, smuggling gases into the US.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Not yes, yes, specifically hydrofloral carbons.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Oh, we don't like those. They're bad for the ozone layer.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Oh those are so tight, man, I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Sorry to what end if I might ask?
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Well, this person, his name is Michael Hart. He's fifty
eight years old. He lives in San Diego. He is accused,
He stands accused of bringing those hydrofluoro carbons in and
then selling them on Facebook marketplace. So at least according
to all of these documents, it's saying that he put
these hydrofluorocarbons and containers into his car, covered them up
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so he could get past you know, I guess customs
as you go through the border right there when you
get the check, the border check, and then basically held
them until he could sell them on Facebook.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Facebook.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, man, okay, granddad.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Well, but I mean that's a way to sell things.
That's a viable way to sell things.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
These do when to get scammed. It's terrible on there.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Oh really, Oh dude, I've never.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Had selling some furniture on Facebook Marketplace and I got
way more bots, you know, then I got actual people.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Just I sort of never do it again.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Well I've not learned my lesson yet. I'm gonna try
one day. I'm sure I'll forget that you said that,
but I can't. I look forward to it. But this person,
Michael Hart, he faces thirteen separate charges. Just going to
give you a couple of them, conspiracy, importation contrary to law,
multiple counts of selling imported merchandise contrary to law, and
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criminal forfeiture. He could face decades in prison if convicted
on any one of the charges related to illegal importation
of hydro floro carbons. And we have to just bring
this up, guys. This all has to do with a
newish thing from twenty twenty. It was a law that
arose in twenty twenty called the aim Act. Aim Act.
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It gives the EPA the authority to reduce production of
hydrofluoric carbons reduce consumption. I'm not sure how you do
that of hydrofluoral carbons. Those are the two main things
that this Amact does, right, hydrofluorocarbons you may remember as
connected to or related to another thing. What have they
(35:11):
called ben CFC's CFCs.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Carbons.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Yes, so these are refrigerants that you will find in
your refrigerator. Everybody, right now, you've got some of these
in your house. Do you have an air conditioner in
your house? You probably have some of these gases that
are you know, in strategic places in your house. They
have to do with cooling it and.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
They're not illegal in that sense, or they're being phased
out or what.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
I'm still a little confused about what the law is
around these substances. Well, and a man who's paying for
this stuff on Facebook marketplace?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And why? I'm sorry if that's too many questions.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
I think, and I don't know, I haven't seen the
details like that are this granular. But I think if
you're in the market for hfc's or CFCs like this,
you're probably working on air conditioners or or some kind
of home HVAC systems as your job. Because those refrigerants
are extremely expensive and you often have to go to
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somebody's house if you're a service person and refill the
refrigerants within their AC system or their refrigerator.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
And maybe getting them through legal means requires a lot
of licensing and hoops and stuff like that, and this
is just a quicker route.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
To that theoretically, or it's a way for.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Him to make money, right, he can buy Yeah, but
the reason that people would buy it rather than go
through the proper channels is because it's either cheaper or
easier to get and they don't have to, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Fill out some forms or something. Maybe I don't know,
it's just the thought.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
Theoretically it would it would be easier to buy it
on Facebook marketplace like that, then go through all the channels.
I'm assuming, but I don't know that for sure. We're
gonna check back in on this and see how this
first turns out. He recently appeared in federal court. He
pleaded not guilty this week as we record this, and
he's going to be showing back up on March twenty
fifth to hang out with the US District Judge Jeffrey Miller.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Exciting stuff, everybody, All.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
Right, let us know if you hear anything about this,
or if you hear anything about hfc's and this new
aim act, and we'll be right back with more strange news.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
And we have returned. Fellow conspiracy realists. You may recall
that not too long ago we covered the concept of
the fragile thing that makes the current world run the Internet.
Before we get to that, because it is going to
be a bit of a weird bummer, a bit of
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a mystery, I wanted to share with you, guys Matt's
nooel dot. I wanted to share some quick things. One
thing to talk about which may be good news. Did you,
guys hear that credit card fees are going to get
capped in the United States?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Is it actually happening.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
It's something that will hopefully happen late. Fees with credit
cards are going to be capped at eight dollars instead
of the average of thirty two dollars per overdraw. And
given the serious rate of credit card interest in the
US and the accelerating economic inequality, I think that's a
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good thing if you have I'm mainly bringing this up
as a mention, fellow conspiracy realist, if you have a
credit card debt of any sort, please do pay it
off as soon as you can. That stuff is predatory.
No hyperbole there, right, Like, we've all seen that happen
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to people.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
We know.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
It's such a tough situation because they rack up so quickly.
The way our society functions now, you'll you'll throw your
credit card at things and you will not realize you've
racked up one hundred dollars, two hundred dollars, three hundred dollars,
and you're like, oh crap, how did I spend that
much money? And I swear it's because of that disconnect
now with the card or our phone or whatever the
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electronic transaction is. Now, it's so easy to over to
overspend I guess right, or.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Even to be forced in a situation where that is
your only strategic move. Hopefully that is good news these
write to us. I think there's a credit card episode
that might be on the way. Whether it's ridiculous history
or stuff they don't want you to know, we can
say for sure, the way credit cards work, and the
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way indeed credit as a concept works, is something they
don't want you to know. In the West, ask yourself,
why don't you get financial literacy as a core class
in high school?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Because you're a battery man.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
That's all you are.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
We need to talk about capital one buying discover that's
a huge deal.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Shut it down. No, the show's over thirty five year. Yes, yeah, absolutely,
so that is hopefully good news. Also, in a stunningly
late to the game opinion, the London School of Economics
has concluded the thing called trickle down economics aka what
(40:20):
is it? Horses and sparrow economics as it was once
called aka tax cuts for the wealthy, turns out it
doesn't work. Oh they figured it out, Happy twenty twenty
four London School of Economics, lasting before we get to
the main store.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
But Ben, Ben, you feed the horses, the horses poop,
then the sparrows are satisfied.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, it trickles down.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Oh through, it trickles through.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Well, gravity wise, I guess, because the horse's mouth is
further from the poop.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
This was one of the bedrocks of Reaganomics, and it
turns out what it was a grift the whole time.
And it's a griff that continues today with disastrous consequences
for everyone listening. Even if you are benefiting from it
in a short term environment, there is a long term
there is a horizon ahead and this makes me think
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of something. Ah, guys, I don't know if we'll get
to the main story, but it is important. We'll have
to at least mention it. There's something on my mind.
We all of us on the show now, we live
in urban or suburban environments. Do you, guys hear car
alarms often?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah. I always assume it's mine.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
And it's weird that I don't actually know what mine
sounds like, because they're all kind of different. But it's
usually not, thankfully, But man, I do doc.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Can we get a just a sample of like the
stereotypical car alarm?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Oh god, there it is.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Everybody teamed out. They heard it, and they ignored it.
Speaker 7 (41:52):
So weirdly enough. Where I live now, I do not
hear that. But if I'm in Atlanta, like we're going
to a shoot or something like, definitely will just catch it.
If I've got my windows down rolling through the Atlanta
I hear those sounds all the time, appear appear up here.
(42:13):
I hear what I think are house alarms in the
distance because sound carries differently out here in the boon with.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Less noise pollution.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
Yeah, but I swear I hear you're also like penetrating
no no, no, yes, yeah, like laser gun sounds.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
You know. Yes.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I feel like if we if we all lived further
out in this mountainous compound that I fantasize about increasingly,
then we are are. A car alarm would be more effective,
A house alarm would be more effective, even if it
was just a recording of one of us yelling.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
Hey, seriously, some dudes out here yelling to call you guys.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I just called.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
So. The problem is, and I think this is what
we're getting at specifically here, Noel. The problem is that
those things, when they become ubiquitous and familiar, just like
when you're driving in the city, Matt, they're easy to ignore, right.
They become part of your sort of sonic environment, like
(43:23):
nol Win is, for instance, in your neck of the woods.
When is the last time you heard a car alarm
and went, holy smokes, I better go outside.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Jimmy stuck in the well? I don't never. It's just annoyance, and.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
It is a it's noise pollution, that's all it is.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
So Unfortunately, a similar thing is happening in hospitals. Oh geez, yeah,
the hospital.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Wow, that Ben, I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
A little conversational parkour. So we started with the good stuff.
Now we're gonna do once like if you work in UH,
if you were in the medical industry, if you work
in hospitals in particular, first off, thank you. We recognize
the caliber of your work, and we understand the emotional
(44:12):
toll it has to take, an indeed, the physical toll,
especially in an ongoing pandemic hospital workers. It turns out
here up to one thousand alarm noises per shift. This
is coming to us from New Atlas courtesy of Paul McClure,
and this just came out this month as we record.
(44:35):
And what happens when you hear all those beats, even
if you are a trained professional, is that you will
encounter semantic satiation, you know, or you.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Will encounter centory overlook.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
So like semantic satiation is where you take a word
like ambassador, and you just say it so often or
hear it so often it loses its meaning. It becomes
a series of just random noises.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
Say her a name in the mirror over and over again.
It'll start to sound real weird in your head, like
it's it's an interesting phenomenon. It doesn't even take that
many times, and I can speak from personal experience so
recently in a hospital with a loved one. These alarms
happen all the time for pretty innocuous reasons too. They're
not all coding events or like flatlining events. Some of
(45:27):
them are just oh, the battery and the ivy.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Pole to your place.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
And I had to go get someone several times, mainly
because it was just obnoxious and we were you know,
unpleasant in the room and they were none the wiser
until I told them about it. But again, you have
to assume there's you know, if it's really serious, it'll
flash a light or do something extra, one would hope,
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but what are you finding?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Then?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
We always want to assume that there is someone at
the wheel right, and unfortunately that is not always the case.
As McLure points out McClure themselves being a former ICU
Intensive care unit nurse. McClure points out that a study
found in the journal Critical Care Medicine discovered that only
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fifteen percent of all of these alarms, all these hospital
beeps in a critical care environment are quote clinically relevant,
which means that you'll hear a ton of beeps, and
only fifteen percent of them will be the hurry up
and runs that will lead to what is portrayed as
(46:38):
alarm fatigue desensitization. Just like if you live in a
city you hear car alarms all the time, you think
somebody just bumped into some other car when they were parking,
somebody clicked their little keyfob wrong, and you might not
immediately think a car is being broken into, or a
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serious situation and is escalating. I don't know, man, I
just would to point that out. I don't know what
to do with it. It's just it's getting to be
rethinking a lot of things.
Speaker 7 (47:09):
We need a new position in all hospitals, and that
is the alarm technician in the minder.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Oh oh, town crier.
Speaker 7 (47:16):
Yeah, that's all this person does. They just hear the beafs,
they go check. Oh that's nothing, hear the beep, go check.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Oh help. Hey, it's like our car alarm.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
Right, It's exactly like our car alarm.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
So I want to shout out two of the authors
of the study that McClure also cites. These are Joseph
Schlessinger and Michael Schutz, who are looking into just like
with car alarms, they're looking into how changing those sonic
notifications might help medical professionals be on the ball. Perhaps
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we could build a hierarchy of sound there, and perhaps
that already exists. You know, this is something that we
can only learn about, not being medical professionals. We can
only learn about it through terrible personal experience, as you indicated,
as we've all been in that situation at some point.
Or we can learn about it through the magic of
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the internet un less noh oh, the pivot, yeah, the
turn unless uh our internet gets cut off? Do you
guys remember when we recently did that episode about undersea cables.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Most definitely things about when you put in that context,
but I'm not superversed on the nature of this region particularly,
or like the conflicts that are going on.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Yeah, we're going to talk about the Red Sea as
we end our recording here.
Speaker 7 (48:43):
Uh oh wait, that wasn't that the place that we
focused on as being one of the most vulnerable areas?
Speaker 4 (48:49):
But no way, no, really we did, right, Yes we did. Yeah, So,
what's a what's like a quick, hot and dirty recap
of under the internet communication?
Speaker 7 (49:01):
The Internet as you know it, I wherever you are
on the continent which you live, it flows from your
continent through these undersea cables that are buried or sometimes
just hanging out at the bottom of the ocean, and
it travels. Let's imagine all the way from North America
to Africa, all the way from parts of what everywhere,
(49:25):
Every continent basically is connected up through the snaking undersea
cables and they are actually the Internet tubes.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (49:33):
If you imagine the server for whatever service you're using
that you're accessing via the Internet isn't on the continent
where you preside, then you are accessing that stuff from
a server that is across these tubes.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Perfect. Yeah. So on September twentieth and twenty twenty three,
as the Humans wreckon the calendar, we publish an episode
about what we call the underwater Internet spoiler. That's a
redundant phrase, just like vennumber or ATM machine, the Internet
is underwater. And ever since the days of Samuel Morse
(50:10):
and the Telegraph, that has been the case for global communication.
Satellites are very important and also likewise fragile, but way
more of your daily global online activity is going through
tubes or depending on those undersea tubes. And recently that
(50:31):
came to the four of the conversation because in the
Red Sea several tubes got cut. There we're talking about
the We'll give you the names of these lines and
this comes to us from HGC Global Communications out of
Hong Kong. One of the lines is Asia Africa Europe one,
(50:56):
the other one is the Europe India Gateway, and then
there's c COMM and TG in Golf. This affected twenty
five percent of the Internet traffic flowing through the Red Sea.
This is just like it might sound weird to talk
about a bunch of zeros and ones on the same
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level of a mining resource or oil, but it's very
much the case in global civilization to day.
Speaker 7 (51:27):
Because these are international, international transfers of money.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Often.
Speaker 7 (51:32):
Yes, that's what's going through these That's one of the
primary things that happens through these.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Yeah. So what the initial reporting said, I never thought
we'd be in this position, guys. The initial reporting says
that the UTI forces in Yemen had purposely cut the cables,
and to be completely transparent, in our previous episode, we
pointed out the vulnerability and indeed you could argue that
(51:59):
we dic did something like this occurring. However, also in
fairness to our little initiative, here. We did not say
we were going to do it. We didn't we didn't
name any specific force that was going.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
To do it.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
We pointed out the vulnerability exist, right.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Yes, I had to say yes.
Speaker 7 (52:20):
And just to be clear, we weren't the only people
talking about that for the past couple of years, because
it's just one of these things. It's like, once you
realize that's how it happens and that's how vulnerable it is,
I think it's right to say, hey, maybe we should
find something to do because a ship's anchor like has
breached these cables several times since we recorded that episode,
(52:44):
just accidentally because they dropped anchor in the wrong.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
Place, and that is the most plausible explanation here. Again,
we're not We're not making a larger comment regarding the
current instability, the massacres against civilians and Yemen, nor are
we talking about the other problems on the horizon for
(53:08):
that region. What we're saying is it has always been
a statistical inevitability. It has been a statistical certitude that
something this crucial and this vulnerable would be damaged in
the wake of chaos. And what most likely happened, as
we in tonight's program. Is this no who These are
(53:32):
targeting ships, killing some ships. And when these ships get hit,
some of them are big old boys. And those big
old boys have big old anchors, and those anchors when
a ship is compromised, when it is damaged, those anchors
just drag willy nilly across stuff. So what probably happened,
(53:55):
best guess right now, what probably happened was a consequence,
an unforeseen consequence occurred. And this is not again, this
is not us defending anyone. If anything, this is us
pointing out once again, when elephants make war, man, it's
the grass. The grass is the first thing to go.
(54:17):
Turns out, the same thing happens when they make love. Sorry,
that's true. You know well, making love is kind of
like making war.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
It's a little weird. It's not like a little person.
Speaker 5 (54:27):
To say that make love.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
It's as bad as make WHOOPI.
Speaker 7 (54:31):
Jeez with make love as war?
Speaker 3 (54:37):
Metal?
Speaker 4 (54:37):
Right, that is metal af radical affection, radical empathy. Uh.
We want to hear your thoughts on this, folks. We
want to hear your thoughts on the vulnerability of this
fragile thing we call human civilization. We want to hear
about the last time you encountered military craft in the wild.
(55:00):
Out out to our fellow conspiracy realist who who hipped
us to a very true story about aircraft being stored
in a Walmart in the middle of nowhere. Uh and uh,
we want to hear about your experience, uh in willy
Wonka Land.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah, if you went.
Speaker 6 (55:19):
I mean it sounds like a lot of the reports
back to are like, well that was worth. The price
of admission is to be part of history.
Speaker 4 (55:27):
They would make money. Hand over AI fist.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (55:32):
They haven't quite figured out fists yet, are they. They
still look a little.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Hands in general?
Speaker 7 (55:39):
Can can you put your hands on top of my hands?
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Why a picture for the website?
Speaker 4 (55:45):
Why did that come to you so hard? That one guy?
All right, Okay, well we're gonna we're gonna call it
an evening. We're off to noctivigate. We hope you join us.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (55:55):
We try to be easy to find online.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Boy do we ever?
Speaker 6 (55:58):
You can find it to the handle Conspiracy Stuff, where
we exist on Facebook, where we have our Facebook group.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 6 (56:04):
We are also conspiracy Stuff on YouTube, where we have amazing,
exciting video content coming your way. We were all really
in the tickled before this episode if you couldn't tell,
because we were looking at some edits that Matt is
working on for an upcoming video series hopefully that we
are all just so excited about.
Speaker 5 (56:23):
So you'll see that on YouTube.
Speaker 6 (56:26):
You'll also see that stuff on Instagram and TikTok, where
we exist at the handle Conspiracy Stuff Show.
Speaker 7 (56:34):
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Speaker 4 (56:53):
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