Black Panther with Naomi Ekperigin and Ify Nwadiwe

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
or do they happen individualism, the patriarchy zef invest start
changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and welcome to
the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante Jamie Loftus,
and we're here to talk about the portrayal of women

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in movie because that's what our podcast is about. Is
what our podcast is about. Yeah, we've been doing it
for a little while. Yeah, we're we're freaking veterans at
this point. Yeah, that's scary. I looked at right now.
As of this recording, we have sixty nine episodes. App Hell,
yeah that's sexy. Right, that's so, that's good. That's very
If I was in middle school, I'd be pissing myself
right now, But I'm an adult, so I'm just like

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clenching and being like, that's kind of funny. Just sure. Yeah,
So we talk about women in movies, we use the
Bechtel test is just a jumping off point for a
larger conversation. Hey, with Bectel test is a test you
applied to media. It requires that the movie let's say
you're watching, has two female characters. They must have names,
they must talk to each other, and the conversation has

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to be about anything other than a man. Our version
of is a two line of dialogue exchange. So can
we demo it? I'd love to. Hey, Caitlin, was the
vital test? I'm stupid, Jamie, You're not stupid. But the
bectal test is when women talk to each other in
movies about stuff that's not a man. Okay, but oops,
we just mentioned a man. So did that. It's when

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movies have women who talk about I love the movie doubt. Okay, done?
Did it? We did it. The best thing about the
batal test is that it does not have to be
well written. It just has to clear a bar, which
if you've been listening to the podcast for a while,
you'll find, uh, is is something that's freely taken advantage of.

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Definitely not in this particular movie we're talking about today,
which is very well written. Right, I'm so excited. I'm
so excited. This has been a big listener requests. Our
feet has been quite honestly blown up with request for
this episode, so we're we're excited to be doing that.
So you're welcome everybody. Jesus So without much further ado, Oh,
we're about to make Bechtel cast history because we have

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not one to guests who guests, a double guests. Yeah,
more bodies, more voices. It's going to be terrific. I
can't wait because these are both such wonderful people. We've
got one returning guest, but also the first time I've
been in the room with her for this podcast, because
I not famously but irresponsibly never showed up for this.

(02:32):
Didn't show up. It's all right, we forgive you. You You
might remember this from me when Harry met Sally episode
and so he was dowd. I'm sorry, okay, but you
already know her. She's a comedian. You've seen her on
two Dope Queens, Naomi a comparagon, Hey come back, and
our other guest he's written for at Midnight. He has

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a podcast coming out soon called Nerdificent if e wad way,
what do I thought you were going to say make
history when you had you had two black people? I
was like, you got back, but we're going to post
black panther society. Where's it's very advanced. You know you

(03:17):
have more Black people than of Comedy podcast and so
shout out to y'all. We did it. So the movie
just came out. Nami, you've seen it once. I mean
you went it once, Iffy three times. I'm at three times.
And also shout out to Aristotle who has also seen
it three times. My god, Wait, we've got eleven viewings

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in one room. Okay, we're ready. We're ready. So what
are your initial thoughts takes on the movie? That's my
initial Yeah, no, this is this is as like a
like you know, Nerd also as an African like black Pants.

(04:00):
There's always been special to me because he wasn't just
a black hero, he was an African hero. So it
was literally like, oh man, he's like straight up just
like me. And it's been a long journey because I remember,
you know, when the m C you kind of started
out Marvel Cinematic University, continue get the news up to speak. Yeah,
at Comic Con, like they were saying like what kind
of would be too hard to make? And but this

(04:21):
was like post thor and it was like what are
you talking about? You guys already just did Valhalla and
it was just a long road, but we got here.
And I feel like it was perfect because if it
would have been done when I wanted it, it would
not have had Coogler, because Googler, I think, only has
done fruit Vale Station at the time. I don't think
it would have had most of the cast, you know,

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it took a lot of the cast where people who
just kind of blew up the sides, like Lupetea and
Michael b was on his like hot streak by then.
But the weight was needed. I didn't even know it.
I didn't realize this movie was in some form of
production for my entire life. Yeah, yeah, that this first
started from from what I can tell, in ninety two

(05:05):
was like the first mention of possibly making a black
Panther movie. I'm so glad you not getting made in
nineteen it would have had it would have been whacking, dude.
But yeah, this has been a movie that's been in
talks forever and yeah, yeah, I mean if it had
been in ninety two, nightmare. I heard this current rendition

(05:28):
of it kind of started back in two thousand eleven,
and Kevin Fagy was like, uh not, Yeah, we need
to wait for like the big producer over at markin O.
I guess h n W d C had white dude
in charge. Oh I had at the end, so that

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was technically had white dude. Okay, but yeah, he got
the scripting. He was like, he's like, now it's not
the time and he waited. And it's so funny because
where did I hear them talking about how it was
pushed to February because they didn't believe in it. But
I think it was purposely pushed to February so it
can be during Black History. Months after hearing Figgy wanting

(06:12):
to wait, basically, he kind of was like, I want
to drop this when it will be the most culturally relevant.
And I was like, yeah, no, I you know, as
much as I hate to admit it, he was right like,
right now it's probably like the peak time to drop
it because right now it's like the movie to see.
There's not other movies that just came out that everyone's

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like and and and I mean as of this recording,
two million dollar budget, million dollars at the box office. Right,
what I said, Okay, people need to stop thinking that
all black people broke or they don't care about culture,
or they don't want to be seen. And at what
point is like, do we have to just start trading
our kidneys for movie tickets for people to start making

(06:53):
our ship, because I think it's the same thing with
girls trip right, another one, Wait a minute, do black
women like move? It's like no one gets it. It's
like we only bootleg ship because it's not worth us
seeing in the theaters. When it's worth seeing in the theaters,
we will three times. It's been great because it really
just struck all the chords within the black community. I'm

(07:15):
getting all the tease, like the hoteps are out. For
those who don't know hoteps, I had to describe this before,
but hoteps are like these super pro black dudes who
think that they all came from Egypt, that that that's
the only dope part of Africa. For some reason, they
don't respect women. They think, you know, they're one of
those their places in the kitchen, and and you know,

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America's the white man is trying to ruin backwards black families.
And they wear as where a lot of petula oil
and they oh yeah, and just my favorite hotep take
check out YadA. They say that menistruation is the white
man's invention and that if you follow their diet, you
will stop having periods. That is hot, amazing and honestly

(08:03):
I'm down to try. Oh my god, Aristotle's phone just
started screaming about he has a Yeah, he has a
Hotep's undercover Hotep. You'all talk Aristotle's menstruation alerts extremely responsive
to talk of menstruation. Oh so, if you were familiar

(08:24):
with the comic books, yea, Nami, No, I wasn't. I
love action movies. I do not actually like comic books.
I had to explain this to my fiance, who's a
comic hid who who accidentally for my first birthday are
not my first in life. Our first birthday together got
me the Walking Dead compendium, because I do love that show.
But when I don't, I don't know what order to

(08:46):
read the boxes in and it'll be like a full page,
you know, like a spread of like a punch, and
that's supposed to mean something for me, and it doesn't.
So I need it all in movie form. So I
so I did not know the comic going in, and
so I was surprised. I mean no, obviously I knew
back when he appeared in the Avengers movie. Obviously, like
where he was from, we're supposed to be. But I

(09:06):
guess what I didn't expect out of the movie, and
I don't know if the comic was like this was
connecting it to actual present day black culture, you know
what I mean. I thought it was all going to
be like wa Kanda, we're gonna we're gonna hint it
Africa without being specific so that if we're wrong, no
one's mad. And you know what I mean, Like I
didn't think it was gonna actually talk about kind of
like he's fun. I guess that's what made it so good, right,

(09:26):
Like the actual conflict of the center is a real
conflict that is like has fucking shades are gray? You
know what I mean? Like normally it's like we're good guys,
we're bad guys. You killed someone, now you're a bad guy.
You know, Like that's not a lot of the you know,
the freaking comic movies are, and this one was kind
of like I see both of your point. Yeah, that
was a big thing with kill Monger. I was like,

(09:48):
he's not going about it the right way, but like
I understand where he's coming from because he's like he's
all about wanting to provide aid to the people who
look like him. All around the globe, while Wakonda like
it just kind of keeps their resources for themselves. And
all of a sudden, I was like, he's got a
got a point. He's just a bad guy about it, yea.
And the level of like nuance in this movie too
is like another thing where you're like, thank God this

(10:10):
wasn't made ninety two. There's like, I mean, even I've
never been particularly into comic books, but even in the
past year, I feel like there's just been a few
superhero movies that I've actually been interested in, Like even
seeing the trailer. Normally, if I see you know, like whatever,
like a Superman trailer, even like it just like doesn't

(10:31):
do anything for me. It's like, Okay, I feel like
I know how this goes. But this is like a
new kind of movie. This and Wonder Woman and I
really like Thrown uh. And there's comic book movies coming
out that you don't need to be like hardcore into
comic books from birth to enjoy, because the movies are
actually trying to like meet you and like connect with

(10:53):
you and not just be like you're saying yeah, like
good guy, bad guy, kind of cut and dry it
if I can just Dip been a true nerdiness foods.
The reason, I think, the reason that Marvel has seen
so much mainstream success has been mostly because all the
Marvel directors tag a genre onto a movie. I feel
like early on superhero movies were superhero movies, as if

(11:16):
that's a genre that works. But aunt Man is a
heist movie. Thor Ragnarok is a straight up comedy. You know,
We're still working on a genre for Black Panther, but
I think it is both a Shakespearean like royal battle
for the Mantle while also being like just a almost
Spike Lee j Even though I hate Si, I like

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Spike Lee, love his movies, love everything you know he
does to a point, hate everything he says, Like I can't.
I can't get behind this guy pointing the finger at Gentrification.
When the first check he got he got up out
of brook, it was like, I'll see y'all all, this
will be out here. So so y'all know I'm still down.
When I'm an upper manhat should I do the recap?

(12:02):
Let's do the recap? And also does feel free to
interrupt the recap at anytime, everybody, if you will correct you? Yeah, yeah,
classes So Black Panther takes place in the Marvel Cinematic
Universe in the fictional country of Waconda, which is in

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like eastern Africa. The story centers around T'Challa. He's a
black panther, which turns out is a power that he
gets by drinking an herb, a purple heart shaped herb,
and it gives him heightened strength and ability and agility
and all that stuff. His father has just died, which
we see in the first movie that we actually see
the Black Panther character in in the m c U,

(12:51):
which is Captain America, the one where there that was
supposed to be good, right, Yeah, I was a good one.
I'm a Winter Soldier head. Yeah, I love me some
Winter Soldier. This one was not. Um didn't move me
as much. Yeah. It was the biggest problem I think
with Civil War was when it happened in the comics,

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it was such a big it was like a war
between superhero so it was like insane. You're like, oh,
these heroes are fighting. By the time it happened in
the m c U, there just weren't that many characters,
so it was just like a petty world star fight
in an airplant. So I think that was the biggest
letdown for fans, but I think driving the story wise,

(13:32):
it was very cool to see that kind of split
between Cap and Iron Man, his good friend Cap. Yeah,
classic Cap. So we first meet um Black Panther in
that movie. So in this movie we basically see his world,
we see Wakonda. It's this futuristic like more advanced technology

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than anywhere else in the world because they have access
to something called vibranium, which is a metal I think
some substance. I love the name for, like random superheroes
into all their stones. Met Yeah, it's like a precious
super It's one of the strongest metals in the world. Yeah,

(14:14):
am vibe. Yeah, it's been it's stronger like it's and
it's and it's worth a lot of money. And in
this movie, it's established that it came to Earth from space.
I'm about to push it's okay, we talk about Black Panther.
Whatever happened, she might deserved. So they have access to

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vibranium and it's helped have them like cultivated this like
super hyper advanced society. But they're hiding in plain sight
and the rest of the world thinks they're like this
unpoverished nation. Meanwhile, we've got to Charlotte. He's like about
to do the ceremony where he is becoming king because
his father died in the Civil War movie. So we
meet his ex girlfriend Slash, a spy named Nikia. I

(15:00):
aspire to be called ex girlfriend Slashed by the hold time.
And we meet a koy A, the general of his army. Um,
and we meet Sure his sister, and these are all
characters that are sort of like advisors of his and

(15:20):
everyone everyone's So it's very distracting what I got. The
movie him me like, I got to do bar method, Okay,
because that body is my birth right. Okay, I go
a stray and so if I just focus up, I've
been to the gym every day since that movie. Straight up.
It's been the biggest inspiration in my life. And when

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you see that hot bod, just know you gotta thank
Michael B. Jordan A fact tag him in it. Right. So, um,
we meet his kind of core group of people, his
mother as well. Um, there's a character named Wakabi who
is his pal. They do this like ritualistic ceremony to

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have him become king, in which people have the opportunity
to challenge him, and they're like, oh, if you want
to be king, you can also try, but you have
to kill him. So it takes a bold move and
there is one challenger Umbaku from the dick. Yes, is

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it the Jabori Jabari. So he challenges him and loses.
He doesn't die though, because he comes back a later,
because is a gracious, a gracious king. I'll give you
a little soundclip just from me. For too long we
have watched from the mountains. Your technology is overseen by

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a child. No longer you will not tabit. We will
not tabit, or from a king who couldn't even protect spot.
And then you push in on that face, push on
Jolla feeling that yeah, I sweating. It's amazing panic attack

(17:12):
that it really was dancing, it was. It came into
his heart when he when he spoke, it like made
me tingle and I found out after why it is
because he spoke. Yeah, he spoke specifically with the Ebo inflection,
which is the tribe that I'm from in Nigeria. And
I'm kind of a hand of that, do you know, Opie,

(17:36):
Oh he's Urba so yeah, well yeah, do the connect
We should just have an all Nigerian show. So there's
so many Nigerians like comedie, like black comics who are Nigerian.
It's like so many just like just mad. We did
not come here for comedy. But yeah, so you so

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everyone who's Nigerian had that same response to Imbaku and
it's because yeah, that people inflection amazing. Okay, so back
to this story, Okay, continue, So I'll try to get
this as fast as possible. So basically he's on, He's
becomes king. There's a villain named Claw played by Andy Serkis,

(18:22):
so surprisingly any Circus went from Galen and Zay was
like like he had that like I'm down with black
people haircut. Okay, you could roll with the crew. So
any Circus's character, Claw stole a bunch of vibranium from
Wakonda years and years ago, which is another part that

(18:45):
I forgot to mention. So we opened the movie it's
in Oakland stern k Brown, which I think is crucial
to establishing your powers black film. Okay, if you're gonna
get a black film, if you're going to be trying
to let us up, if you don't open with Sterling,
it's not real and I think that was important. I
don't know when they decided to do that casting, you know, right,
this is us episode one, I don't know, and they
were like, we got to get him in here, you
know what I mean, to just establish that we ain't

(19:06):
playing right. It's like not at the very beginning, but
then someone like raised their hand. They're like, you know,
it really start us up exactly. That's what I wonder
with all of it too, Like even Daniel Kluja, right,
because obviously we know him from get Out, but he's
such a popular actor. Like I'm like, where did he
come in the process or was it like one of
those things where I was like, Okay, hurry up his

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ass in here. But I know it takes like two
years to make these movies. When it was this movie
shot before, I feel like this and get Out maybe
we're shot around the same time because of how long
these movies. I don't know if I can start a
conspiracy theories that my buddies Aaron Covington, who co wrote
Creed with Googlers friends with Phil Jackson, who got an

(19:51):
early draft of get Out to like take a pass
on it. So my theory is that Coogler somehow got
to see an early early cut. Was that's that's my
wil copy right there. Yeah, I probably did not happen,
but let's just say I'm willing I believe it. Though.
It does feel like exciting at least that this young

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black generation is bigger. I feel like there's a right
like older Black actors are a legit ten of them
and they all get all the awards, and it does
feel like at least they're more young people now kind
of to choose from, if that makes any sense, because
I always felt like there could be only one. Also,
technically there's two Black Mirror actors in this, because you
remember Khaluya was in Black Mirror. He was he was

(20:33):
the the American Idole one. Oh my god, I totally
forgot about that episode. And then and then Lada she
was in the season finale, right, yes, I saw that.
When I remember that one, I was like, what do
I recognize that interest from you? When that was it? Okay?
So oh yeah, you're still trying to take us through
the movie from top to bottom all right minutes. I mean,

(20:55):
my guess is like people won't even need the recap
because they will have just I mean we're gonna we're
spoiling at everything. I know. I'm like everyone. Hopefully if
you haven't seen it, you've had a week episode look within. Okay, No,
you need to seek treatment. Okay, if you haven't seen it,
pro tip for anything on there. And I don't listen
to any podcast with the title of a movie you

(21:15):
haven't seen if you don't want spoilers. I'm living in
a post movie pass culture, like having seen it, exactly
figure it out. So back to Sling Brown's character, who,
oh my god, we're back at the beginning of the movie.
He's the most handsome man I've ever seen in my life.

(21:37):
I always hearing number one. He's like right up there. Okay.
So he gets visited by King Tchaka Ino and he's like, oh,
this bad guys stole our vibranium and you helped him.
And then we see flashbacks throughout the movie about that interaction.
Oh what the fuck? Okay if he okay for the listeners, okay,

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but if he very subtly and surreptitiously pulled out his
cell phone to show a picture of his ass with
sterling camera and another strong black man looking just like
the goddamn Chopla Drop, the musical group that I would
be following casual af best friends, all eyes to camera

(22:23):
and cherishing this moment if he just casually like flexed
in kits my boy, what where where up? So my
boy echo echo caelum who is in black? Um? I

(22:43):
was gonna say black like arrow yeah. And so he
was like, hey, you want to go to a party
with me? And I was like all right, yeah, finished,
you're a black friend. And then he was like yeah,
it's the e W Sack part. I was like, I'm
like it was like a smoke cloud and I just
run home. I don't want to suit And it's a
Chateau Mormont and I was like, okay, this might be

(23:04):
like some like whatever party. But of course I stepped
in and all our favorite black started. Brian Tyree Henry
from Atlanta. First dude, I see. I was like, oh
my gosh, the black kid from Stranger Things, in all
the black kids from Black It was like it was like, man,
it was a lot of dope black activity going on there.

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And I walked outside and I looked to the right
and it was Sterling K. Brown And I was like, okay,
because my wife is in love with him. I was like, yo,
I gotta take a pick with you for while he
was like, yeah, of course it's not pregnant. Of course
he's nice. And then of course he does the classic

(23:48):
black someone taking a picture for us joke of make
sure the flashes on so you can get all this blackness.
So and so we got a picture and I was
mad hyped. I was good for like the rest of me.
I was like, all right, you have to back that up. Okay,
back then up onto your hot drives. You put that
in the cloud and make sure people have that print

(24:08):
out copays. We'll put it on it. We just need
this picture out there. Send it to Caitlin right now. Sure,
as you were saying to Pouster Brown, seen one of
the phone movie that we're talking about, I will say
my number one crushing this movie is Winston Duke. Yeah,
oh yeah. I was just like, oh, there he is.

(24:33):
That's and I love when he has this little humor
moments like that has been my feed for like since
the movie is released. Was like, if you got to
do imbakulas cops, like if you got like every day
someone's been like, if you got to be Umbaku and
it was like, look, my Beard game is not good

(24:57):
at all, Like I'm sorry to break it to you off,
so I'm have to get Beijing all over my flight.
It was so funny to see the black Beard game.
I mean, a couple of homies were a low patchy
up there and I was like, honestly, appreciate your bravery.
But I was like, please speak truth. Okay, don't be
feeling that it in show the reality. Okay, a newbian beer.
I was very there for the past okay is beautiful.

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I'm sweating again. Soul hasn't gotten past. So there's a
subplot where to Chaka and his brother steranth Kay Brown's
character and Joe Bu he betrays than I'm um, it's
like a Caucasian nightmare. So many African names to say

(25:45):
in succession. So um. So he betrays the then king
and uh he gets murdered for it. Later on we
find out, but he has a son who is a
kid in this and grows up to be Eric kill Younger,
the main villain of the movie, and he comes back
first he kills Claw. He seems to be working with

(26:05):
him and I'm like, what's this all about? Because helps
him steal some vibranium from this museum and we're just like,
what's going on? What's happening here? But then he kills
Claw and he takes him back to Wakonda basically to
use his leverage and be like, hey, I'm one of you.
I'm Condon. I want to be your king, and they're
like what who are you? And he's like, I'm the

(26:26):
son of Joe Bu and I'm fucking like, let me
do the Hey, it's the greatest lot of any fucking movie.
Just just to clear up the leverage part. So what Coabi?
Who is ta Challa's confidant. His parents were killed in
the attack that we're claws sto the vibranium, so he
when he went on the mission to capture Claw, he

(26:46):
didn't get it, and what Cobby is pissed. But then
Michael B brings him Claw's body, So now what copies like,
uh to ta is my old friend, my new best
friend is. So he comes in, brings him in and
once again another SoundBite from from this scene, everyone's like,
everyone's like, who is this guy? Who is this guy?

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So just so you know, the tension building, and then
Michael B. Jordan's asked to Challa to say his name
and he's like, no, I won't. And then one of
the river tribe do with the huge disc was like
who are you and he was like, I'm in d
Jacob new Toby. Not my daddy would pay the marks
in his chest. I'm here to enact my birthright for

(27:28):
a seat at the throne. The music is picking up.
It's like like dabbing in the thing. That moment was incredible.
It was so literally, hey, Auntie is the greatest line movie.
And it was just like, I don't know, it was

(27:48):
just brilliant. I think he just did such a did
such a great job of straddling both those worlds as
that person and then kind of wanting to be the
Wakundan king. But it was just the use of music
in this movie is like killer too, because with a
lot of superhero movies, I feel like it gets kind
of lazy or just like a slow swell of strings
when someone saying something. But this is like, it's like

(28:09):
exciting in it the whole time. Quick Cyber. It is
Ludwig Grandson who does the score, who you may know
from Community and Happy Endings or creed Uh New Girl
and Childish Gambino. He did Redbone. Uh yeah, yeah, he
did Redbone and he also did some stuff with Haim too.

(28:31):
So I've listened to the score. I'm like a scorehead,
like my before this my favorite yeah, before this, My
favorite scores were Interstellar, and I actually liked the end
of tour like very like ambient cute score. This one.
I've never heard of score like this in my life
because he uses bass like rappers use bass, which is

(28:52):
too much but just enough, you know, And it is
like that same kind of like very uplifting, very traditional score,
but mixed in with hip hop beats and African drums, flutes, chance,
and it's like it's really is like nothing you've never heard.
If he doesn't win Oscars for this score, your boy
is gonna be like he was two seconds before we

(29:13):
found out it was actually Moonlight. Oh my god, I
was lost, cousin. Okay, so I'm almost done. So we
got yes. So Eric Hillmonger challenges to Challa for the throne.

(29:35):
They have their sort of ritualistic combat thing. To Challa
appears to have been defeated. We think that he dies terrifying,
and I just want to point out this fun fact.
So in this scene when he dies. This actually isn't
a fun fact about the story, but the fun fact
of my second viewing experience. I was with this white
lady next to me who was watching it as if
she was possessed by a black person. It was like

(29:59):
watching a movie with my mom. Seriously, But in that
scene where he throws him off the waterfall and he dies,
she leans over to me and goes, I don't think
he's dead. You think like they didn't kill the protector.
She was so confident. That's cute. So he dies, we

(30:29):
assume kill Munger takes over the throne. He's like, we're
going to send out We're basically gonna incite war all
over the world and give vibranium to weapons, specifically the
vibranium weapons for the weapons to black people over the world,
basically so that they can fight their oppressors. And everyone's like,
actually that doesn't really sound like that great any idea?

(30:51):
And then Nikia the Queen and sure we all are like, hey,
we should go to Umbaku and be like maybe you
should be the new black pants there and he's like,
actually I found your old one right there. And so
child comes back, saves the day, there's this huge epic
battle at the end. All that Len in the movie
Theater is right. Part of how he's able to come

(31:14):
back is because so when Michael b becomes king, of
course the person he does is destroy the purple herb
that can give the man the power of the Black Panther. Now,
because you know, Lupeta is straight up spying on it. Okay,
come into a damn hole in the wall. She give
herself a little damn herb that is like for the road.
When you find black Panther, the true Black Panther, they're

(31:38):
able to grind up that herb that she stole. You know,
he's in the last of it basically, um and then,
which makes me really worried for a Wakonda. So after
this movie it's gone, we'll see. That's what was so
curious to me, because like in comic book lore, because
they and they touch on it, the spirit of the
Black Panther, it is a spirit that abuse you. So

(31:58):
I wonder if they're going to introduce because in the
comics the way sure he was, because sure in the
comics eventually becomes a Black Panther and she takes over
and becomes the queen. And then but black Panthers still
Black panther in but all around the world. And the
way it exists is because the spirit Black Panther abuses
Sherry with like the spirit of life and che Challah
the spirit of death. It's very cool. It's way cool.

(32:22):
And I do like the idea of Surrey becoming queen,
like I that I hope that happens. But just for
another sound bite, you know this when he takes when
he takes the herb, you know, he goes to the
planes of the Ancestors and he sees his dad and
his dad's like his dad's way too chill with his son,

(32:43):
just being murked, like he's like, come on, it's time
to come back, come hang with us now. And then
he shakes and this is all in uh what Condon,
which is actually Josha. Uh yeah, this is an actual
language Yea from South Africa. So that's why I fun fact,
even though this was very likely mentioned the casino scene,

(33:04):
Remember when she's like stand down and like the dudes's
like hey, it wasn't because she was loud, it was
because that guy was South African. And I saw that
because there's a scene breakdown that Coogler does, but we
can talk about that takes inside. Oh yeah, no, we're
going to get deepen. But so he goes and he

(33:24):
sees his father and he's like why why He was like,
we had to do what we did to protect but
he he was a child walking behind. I have to
go back and stop a monster of our own making,

(33:45):
just stopping. I can't come back. And then he comes
back like Jesus, oh god. I was like I was there, God,
I didn't. You guys got Chadwick for this. That's that's
an impressive recall for three times that I expect. No
less a quote. I got a bad memory. I could

(34:07):
I could go and just be like, well this movie
is pretty good. Okay, so we're I think, I think yeah.
And he comes back and he kills Michael Bright on
an actual underground round so we gotta give our laugh
last sound bite. So he kills them with a cool move.
They they're fighting down you find out that they have

(34:31):
the underground round roads, yo, and you know that probably
was on you know. So they're fighting on this underground
railroad where they turned down vibranium so that they deactivated
so that they can transfer it at the speeds that
the trains move at, so when they do it, they
basically turn off all their protection. So they're fighting. They're
going in there having the whole monologue to child does

(34:53):
this kick ass move where he knocks the blade up
and he stabs him in the chest, and then he's
like wheezing because he said knife. My dad told me
what kind of has the best sunsets? He told me,
bring me here someday. You believe that a kid from
Oakland believing in fairy tales. And at this point in

(35:15):
the theater, I'm like, and then he takes him up
to see the sunset and he's like, it's beautiful. We're dead.
We're in it just tears everywhere. You're sniffle city. And
then he's like, he's like, there's probably time to save you.
He's like, nah, just bury me in the oceans, because

(35:36):
my ancestors knew that death was a better faith than bondage.
And he pulls out It's like this low draw drawn.
I mean, honestly, I was waiting for a slave ship
reference and the bed day came at the end. You know,
in a way it was unexpected by that point. By
time I heard it, I said, wow, Wow, you caught
me off card for um and it was so perfectly timed. Yes,

(36:00):
Sniffles City City, That's what it was. Yeah, one way
ticket to Sniffles. I don't want to come back. I
don't want to come back. Room and final tenious recap
and then what kind of opens basically opens its borders,
reveals themselves to the u N and they opened in
Oakland where his father killed his uncle. He turns he's

(36:23):
going to turn into a will kind of outreach center
and sure he's gonna head it up with Nikia. And
it's a very beautiful scene where kids called the what
kind of spaceship a spaceship? Bugatti? When I was in
a black theater killed mostly white theater, did not get it,
but I still thought that was still like a little bit.
I was like, Okay, I get it. You went people

(36:44):
that you have stuff. I don't think you should lend
your spaceship, Okay, I think you keep spaceship to yourself, honestly,
purposely the whole time, the whole time. Let him know
you got a little bit of a little metal, but
never let me space ship. You can never let them
know you've got a spaceship. But you know, it was
put yourself out there. I don't know, I don't know.
I'm such a good movie. Yes, Okay, So before I

(37:06):
saw this movie, I didn't know anything about the comic books,
wasn't familiar with the story, so I was not expecting
this movie to do so well in terms of its
portrayal of women. Well, because we don't expect superhero movies
to do well with women ever. Right, I don't know
about how black people do, okay, but we have no
choice because our culture has killed and or incarcerated so

(37:29):
many men that black women are in control of the
home lives for so many people anyway, So if you
tell most black stories, it's gonna be a woman kind
of running things to some capacities. And then when they
went the African route, you know what I mean, because
they were based on real I don't know what the
tribe was. The yeah, like an actual yea that they
are part of the comics. But also like Coogler himself

(37:49):
has been very so I guess I'll like go more
into the part where I saw Coogler talk, which it
was the first time I've seen Coogler talk. When was
this before the movie Meet? No this was and he
does a Vanity Fair scene breakdown, and he breaks down
the casino fight scene and uh yeah, and oh god,

(38:10):
I'm having my god. Uh yeah, I got a year
to make my better panther, So don't worry y'all. But yeah,
And what's what I love about Coogler is he doesn't
code switch. He is the most Oakland sounding dude ever.
He was like so when this breakdown, He's like, all right,
So like I had it with a spear right here,
and it's like but like, you know, he's very intelligent,

(38:30):
and it was cool to scroll down the YouTube comments
and everybody like, this guy's a genius because it's like, wow,
we can speak how we speak and don't feel the
need to wide it up. You know, me and Naomi,
we just do we sound like this at all times.
I grew up in Compton and was constantly asked why
I talked it. It's because my father's people were colonized

(38:52):
by the British. He has he knows no other way
to teach me, but he very much like I was
doing the Second Team podcast with Cody Ziegler, who saw
his student film that he did where it was called
I Think the cut or the hair cut, and it's
about this man with dreads and he's walking to the
barbershop and he's like seeing all these other black men

(39:13):
with dreads and they're dapping each other up. And he
goes and he sits down, he cuts his hair, and
then the reveal at the end is that he cuts
his hair because his little sister has cancer and got
chemo and he's doing it to match her. And he
was talking about how like within that he's exploring like
your blackness being attached to your hair and all this,
but also like the uplifting and supporting women within that

(39:33):
like story. And I feel like Googler has always kind
of had a mind to do that and just and
I feel like this movie, I mean, y'all will tell
me better than I would know. He really went all
out because but I'm gonna let you'll do the y'all thing. Yeah, honestly,
that's really brave of you as a man back and
we're ready to look like I'm just trying to be

(39:54):
more like Agent Ross and he to take his cues from. Honestly,
didn't you feel like I thought the best thing I
thought Martin Freeman's caucasity was utilized to great effect because
I thought it was great to make effect. It wasn't
too heavy handed. We didn't have this moment where it
was like I'm not African garbs now you know what
I mean? He never did that thing. Yeah. I had
one family member on Facebook where it was like, well

(40:16):
I love the movie except for the white Savior. They
had to have it. But I was like, okay, honey,
they pretty much gave him a task to do. The
black girl walked him through it. You know what wasn't
like I literally had the same conversation with someone today
where he's like, I still find he was kind of
white Savior. So I was like, how everything he did
he was commanded to do it himself. He literally was

(40:37):
begging for advice from a black like the whole time,
like I I don't know what to do. And that's
I think is the beauty of it. Is like him
being like I I don't tell me, tell me please,
and sure he while in the middle of a fight,
is walking. Yeah, she's she's multitasking. Yeah. One of the

(40:57):
first things I wanted to say, so all of to
Challa's warriors are women. They are bald women, so that
passes the loftest test yes, baldest women in charge, um,
baldest woman in charge. Yeah. So the people that he's
relying on to protect him, his life is in their
hands are all women. We never see that sort of

(41:19):
thing where like the warriors are women. I was like,
holy sh it, that's sucking. And they're not like repeatedly
asked too, as I feel like they kind of often
are in action movies asked to prove themselves, like we
meet them. They're very capable, they know exactly what then
they're doing, and it's never called into question where I
feel like a lot of movies ask its female protagonists
to prove themselves to the male protagonist before they can

(41:41):
start doing stuff. So that was like, yeah, it seems
that to Challa and pretty much all the men in
the entire country like respect all when like it, well,
contest seems like it's like a gender equality utopia. That
was the most magical thing about it. The Vibranium was like, Wow,
sisters doing it for them sales, Yeah, feminist icon Wakonda

(42:07):
is what's happening? Half of the tribal elders or women, um,
at least half of Challa's closest advisers or women, because
he's got Nikia a Koya and Shari, and they's also
got a few others like um Wa, Kabi and Zori.
But like so many of the scenes in this movie
are him and like two or three women just fighting

(42:28):
and kicking asked and like getting the job done. Yeah,
you never see that's usually the opposite. It's like a
ton of men and maybe a woman and often not
even a single woman. Yeah, like maybe one woman who
has to prove herself and make out with someone by
the end. Or it's like when she does have a skill,
if she's not obviously the superhero, like Scarlett Johansson's character
of her name, but if it is a woman who

(42:50):
like suddenly she kicks someone and is able to say,
but you know, it's a surprising moments like I did
know I could do that. You know you could do that?
You know like that it's used for that, and I
felt like I'm sorry. Then the male protectonst is like, yeah,
that's because you're near my hard dick. Like that being
near my hard dick made you suddenly capable. Oh my gosh.

(43:11):
But what I was going to say is I feel
like Coogler also made a real good point to say, like,
these women are just as capable, Like if we look
at the Korean chase scene, Black Panther was on the
car and then who else but o Koy. She gets
on the car now and she's sucking just as lost
my mind. Literally, I was holding hands with my betrothed

(43:32):
and whenever Denied Gera did anything, I would squeeze his hand.
I was I was overcome. I had sexuality and power
to release. But we were in a public space. She
I'm telling you on the fucking Temperent car Spirit through
the Hood, red Dress flying, I was dead. And you
know I said this before we started. It's like, literally,

(43:52):
denied Garera she had to put in her eight years
as macheone, okay to get hers. And I was like,
I mean even when she was show and she was amazing,
but I was like, oh, yeah, you've been like killing
people with a spear for eight years, so now you
get to do it for Marvel. And it was just
like so she didn't have to wear them, the locks,
them that wig. It was like girl like she just

(44:12):
was working free and killing them. Oh my god. And
when she threw her wig, he was very empowering and
spoke to me as a black woman. Honestly, by the end,
when I was done, I was like, I gotta grow
my hair out. Okay, go back to natural hair. Do
the bar method. Connect with my strange African father. Those
are the things I took away from that movie. So
fun facts about the casino scenes. Since we're talking about
wig Wig throw was in the first draft and he

(44:34):
was like, we kept it the whole time. We loved it.
That was our favorite thing. So also he said that
in that fight scene he wanted to play with femininity
versus uh, you know, functionality or something. He's a way
smart thing that he says that I'm sucking up. But
also here's some cool fun facts about it. About the
color theory in that scene, so Didni Grera's wearing red,

(44:56):
Luepete is wearing green and black, Panthers wearing black. That
was on purpose because that's the Pan African flag. Cloud's
wearing blue because that's the color of colonization of the
colonizer that he said, Who's wearing blue throughout the whole movie?
Our boy Michael B. Jordan's um the action scene where
she's spinning the spear around her neck to fight those guys.
That wasn't a stunt double that was actually denied um

(45:20):
And but yeah, he wanted to play with the idea
of using like you know, lethal femininity, which is why
he specifically wanted the part where Lupete that takes her
heel off and hits the guy and so like he
really and he said, like you know when that guy
grabs her and she like kicks his as he said,
he wants to explore that because you know, the unwanted
touch and like really defending yourself, especially in what kind

(45:42):
of where like you know, that ship doesn't like fly.
So he was very like to hear him talk about
it and be very conscious about like just like he yeah,
it wasn't just like, oh, we're just gonna have females
kicking ass, you know, just like dudes. We're just gonna
put you know, just replace a dude character making a female.
He very he was very conscious about like what it means,

(46:03):
the message and how it looked. That's awesome. One. Where
do you find the time to get smart? I know,
let us know went to sack and then he went
to grad school in usc Oh. Does he have a
master's degree. Like a certain someone we know who does

(46:24):
have a master's degree in screen writing from Boston with
your exact birthday, my exact birthday and social because you're
because might be the same age, all right, because you're
sev he's made are born the same week. I'm older
than him by what six days? Wow, I have to

(46:47):
pass away. I always get so excited when someone's born
within a few days. I'm like, nothing, I contacted someone,
when when's your birthday? My birthday is August and like, contact,
I'm sorry to tell me this ship Before I got here,
one of the girls from the School of Rock was

(47:09):
born on the same exact day as me, and we're
like and I like contacted her. I was like, I
have to find you. We were born under the same moon.
I got really into it. It's a good way to
start any email. Yeah, okay, So the next thing I
want to say is that, um, all of the main
characters who are women in this movie are given an
incredible skill set. So we've got Sure is a woman

(47:32):
in Stem Black Women. She is the designer of all
of Black Panthers like technology, and it seems like most
of the technology in the entire city like she's like
a head engineer. Here's a question though she's supposed to
be a child prodigy R because she literally I know
and realized she's two. She looks fifteen. I think she's
she's supposed to be like like a TV. I think

(47:53):
she's supposed to be like fifteen or sixteen. A teen genius.
She registered to me is like early twenties US, it
says on the official phase sixteen Ohio, Okaya. I love
their relationship, her brother sister relationship. It's nice, I hear.
Chadwick knew right away she was the one. As soon
as they met. She was like doing little sister roasts

(48:14):
and he was like, this is the one that was
the one that was like wow, So that's Sherry that
we've got. Nikia. She is a spy like an intern
and a competent fighter. He's very good at fighting. Does
not want to be queen. She's like, I have a calling, okay,
like you cute and all I got you to do
exactly that's back. That's eight plus plus for sure. Like

(48:40):
she the fact that she's given a desire beyond just
like wanting to be with Techalla is like we never
see that in superhero movies, right, and and I mean
just like based on how women are portrayed in media
in general, where you're you know, it's like you're aspiring
to the princess while you're aspiring to be royalty all
the time. To see someone reject that and be like, actually,
I have this thing that I'm really good at that

(49:01):
I want to be doing like that, that is huge totally.
It's like you're rejecting the first thing you're taught as
a little kid of like, yeah, you want to be
a princess probably right, yeah right. And she's like, no, thanks,
I gotta go fix the world. And she's like, okay, okay,
what about if I helped you fix the world? Compromise
for her? He was like please please um. And then

(49:26):
Nkoya she's the general of Tachill's army and she's someone says,
the greatest warrior in all of Wakonda. Like she So
these like three completely badass women who are given agency
and skills and desires that relate to the male hero,
but they are their own women. They exist outside of

(49:46):
the male characters. Yeah, for their own journeys. I thought
the only the only part of it. And you tell
me like, was I could have used and I'm sure
just got cut even we did not feel long they
could have put it back in. I wanted to see
what Hobby and a Koya together because you hear them
say like my love twice, but you don't actually like
see that relationship. And again I appreciate the fact that

(50:08):
we did not see a kids until the very end
of that movie, and we were letting romance run things,
but I think it would have had it would have
helped it even be more impactful, just to because she
is this warrior person, what would that have looked like
for her in a romantic setting? Like what if in
any way does she let her bald hair down? You
know what I mean? Like how did that look if
that happened? You know? I just would love to see

(50:29):
that second So that then too when she did, because
I thought too because like you hear him say it,
and at that moment at the end, I was like,
I mean, I mean Bechdel hello, he was like would
you kill me? She was like yeah, bitch, I was
that is accurately. I just looked at that as because
remember this movie was the original cut was four hours long,
so so I'm like all right, that's part of the

(50:49):
hour that was cut. Okay, oh my gosh, extended version.
I'm probably gonna see that twenty times. But it was
still under like it was still like two tens or something.
Was thinking. I was because I supposed to meet someone.
I was like, oh, I'm not going to get out
for like two hours and forty five minutes. And then
I was done in like two with previews, so I
was like, oh, wow, this is very streamlined and still

(51:10):
had all the turns it had right for Michael b
coming in and fighting him and then taking over the
getting unseen it, and and it was still like right
and tight. And I said, well, then no other movie
has any excuse give me, give me that director's cut.
Because also I like, I'm surprised that the stuff Disney
let fly, like when he was like all people come
from here, aren't they? All your people are like, oh
this is fucking everybody from Africa fac. I thought that

(51:34):
would definitely be cut out. It was way blacker than
I thought. Yeah. I really was like, wow, they did this,
did this okay, excessive shoulder shape. Also what was cool too,
is like you know they they and I'm sure pretty
sure they couldn't do it because of the PG. Thirteen level.
But having Cloud say savages versus niggers, because you knew
he meant it like that. Every time he said he

(51:56):
was like that savages. But the apartment was like, you
need to be off that hard heart for me to
really feel. This is what you're trying to give me
to feel. Really, I thought the savages it was that
like old school colonial, this is why we deserve to
take this. That's a nice see. That was part of
my Tarantino. I was like, oh man, they should say
a nigger and Morphet Morpheet have not enough feet? Can

(52:20):
I see? Okay his feet? I need to see how
Coheat's feet. For the love of God, more feet. I
mean that has been the main criticism Black Panther, not
that one Rotten Tomatoes reveal where in Africa we know
they don't wear shoes. Were on the feet? Wait, we
do see Tolla's feet though he has Yeah, by the way,

(52:41):
that was the only kind of like my nigga, you
got African feet, like those were the most African feet.
I was like, oh am, I looking at my dad's
feet off. I mean between the beard work and the feet,
I said, this is a true story, is a documentary.
Ryan Coogler is pulling a punch it. Oh my god,
feed him Like y'all couldn't even dress them up a
little bit, man, I see that. That's that's look. I

(53:04):
know how my feet look. If they're like, if we're
gonna show c G, I c G, I would definitely
say I need a foot dumble very real. Okay. I
have been known to scratch up Andy's little leg at
the time. Okay, I have an African heel. Okay, it
takes the extra work. I don't always put it in
so I could. Yeah, I really liked that we got
to see Wakonda like in all of it's because one

(53:26):
of the things that bothered me about for all the
things I liked about Wonder Woman, is that we don't
get to see the world that our hero comes from
a lot. And it's such as how you saying, Yeah,
that was something that I was worried about going into
this movie, is like we're going to be introduced to Wakonda,
and I had to do research into the comic books

(53:47):
to know what I was like setting myself up for
because I was like, there is this huge world that
we're going into and I'm worried that we'll barely get
to see it. But I felt like it was like
for the relatively short runtime, like it was like fully real,
fully explored, and we got to like see it because
because so often I feel like we start with like
twenty minutes of origin story and then we're out and

(54:09):
we're in like Toronto for two hours or some ship.
It was like, well, they shot it right in South Korea,
South Africa and then randomly some Atlanta, Georgia and stuff. Um,
and I love the way you used Georgia for like
or yeah, I landed per se, but like Georgia general
is like, you know, kind of dusty, kind of dirty,
can really double as a lot of places. But it
was like I could tell I sort of like, oh,
they're in actual Africa, you know what I mean, or

(54:31):
even they were just establishing shots. It did like make
all that stuff feel you know, this beautiful residence. Yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna connect with my strange father. Yeah yeah,
I sell Black Panther and thought, maybe you know we
should talk. Make sure you lead with you. No, I'm
gonna tell him exactly why I'm not going to lead
him to believe that he's done something. Ryan Coogler brought together.

(54:56):
One of the very few kind of like grapes I
have in this movie is that I think that the
queen character was a little and I don't know if underwritten,
but like I kind of wish she had more of
a stance on things or just like mort yeah, because
it's right, she's a mom, it's there. Yeah, that was
kind of like a cutting dry maternal but I hope,

(55:19):
I mean now that I know that there's a four
hour cut of this movie, and like about Angela Bassett
hit the cutting room Florida, Man, you have to leave
so much for that new show one, which I look,
I want to get into it. I want to surprive,
but like, there's no way angel La Bassett is ever
going to play blue collar for me. I'm like, I'm
sorry to get out of here. Now. Why is this
queen in a copy uniform? So we touched on this

(55:42):
already a little bit, but there are countless scenes where
women are kicking us assisting black Panther in whatever mission
they're on, Like, like we said, it's usually him and
then several women. So there's like the scene very early
on in Nigeria to Challa shows up. He interrupts, I
think it's a mission that Nikia is on. I don't

(56:02):
know if it has to do with like human trafficking
or something. Yeah, so she's trying to put an end
to that. He kind of he like shows up and
he's like, my dad's dad, please come to my ceremony,
and she's like, you ruin my mission. But um a
fight breaks out. But before that was like you're going
to see her and you're gonna freeze. He's like, no,
I'm nice. She's like you're gonna need my help. He's like,

(56:24):
I'll be fine, and then he freezes because she's so
strong and powerful that he's like and then does have
to like step in save him. And then I think
it's fine, but it's like you see you right away
the movie. After the flashback in Oakland, the next thing
we see is that one in Nigeria, and so like
right away, we're just seeing two women kicking ass. Then

(56:46):
there's a sequence in South Korea. First they're in the
casino and then it transfers to out in the street
when they're basically trying to capture Claw and stop him
from doing the deal with the vibranium and it's Nikia
Akoa and then Shari is like remote, she's still in Wakonda,
but she's like doing the whole like driving the car

(57:06):
black Panther. She's leading him. Okay, she's in charge of
him arriving right, So it's like, can you have a
driver's license like yourself right when you build the car? Yeah.
So it's three women and one man fighting all the
bad guys, and it's just like, oh, I can watch
those scenes over and over again. Towards the end, we've

(57:28):
got a koy A and the other warrior women fighting
kill Monger and then she goes off and fights sort
of the rest of the people and then the Kia
and sureI fight him. So it's like this rapid fire,
like a bunch of women fighting the bad guy. It's
just like, I'm like speechless with how cool it is
to watch. I mean, a Koya stopped the war. She

(57:51):
literally stopped the battle, you know what I mean, Like
she literally causes Wakabi to put down his wampa get
on his knees, and all the other men follows. Yeah,
because you think it's a big moment when the Jabari
show up right, because that's another you're like, oh, they're
gonna shut this down, and then it was actually her.
I mean just I think the most perfect image is
that rhinoceros, her stepping in front of it. It's been

(58:13):
bringing it to a halt, you know what I mean
that it licks her, you know, and you're just like, oh, yeah,
who in charge here? You know what I'm saying, Like
she literally just got that massive animal to stop in
its tracks and she's like all right, we don't do this.
But in the Beauty Is that scene ends with all
those men bowing to women like And what was a
cool little note that like was an extra kind of

(58:35):
cherry on top was when the Jabari did show up,
they made an effort to show a female Jabari warrior
kill someone before. So it showed, you know, our man
named Baku's like grab yanks someone throws him. But then
in the next shot you see like, nope, they got
females too, and they're kicking ask like it really you
could tell there was an effort put to be like, no,

(58:56):
we're showing that women are kicked just as much. Acid
isn't like you know, this isn't A dude came to
save the day. It's like this dude's army came. Another
thing I wanted to talk about is like, you know,
in a lot of action movies, I find that when
you do have kick ass women, usually there's another woman,
a woman for the women to fight, and it's like
two women fighting. I think the only one you didn't

(59:17):
really see that with was like Atomic Blonde, where like
and she was the super kick ass woman and she
was going toe to toe with dudes. But like in
this one, it was like no, Also, no women betrayed
the thing. All the women were loyal in this movie,
and all the women were on the good side. Yeah, well,
even like A I thought it was interesting again what

(59:39):
we said about them being their own people, Like you
know the scene between Lupitita, I'm just like Lupita a
koy Tony, you know, I'm just calling. But you know
where you really did see kind of like I don't
necessarily It's like I didn't agree with a Koya in
that moment where she's like I serve the throne whoever's
on it, Like it was a tough You're like, well,
this is this, this is this character's you know, code

(59:59):
of ethics. Whether we are at least has a code, right,
and then you're like, she's not comfortable, but she's like
what do I have to do? Then she finally steps up,
but then it comes back to in the end her
love of country, which was her you know what I mean, like,
which is her backbone anyway we know, like I'm just
a spine. It's an extra friend, you know, And how
I was like, no, you're a fighter too, you know
what you mean? You don't just lurk. I think she

(01:00:21):
has an arc, Like she goes It's like women never
even get arcs most of the time in movies. So
it's like, oh, because she goes from like and then
she's sort of it's grappling with this thing. It's like,
who am I loyal to the fact that she's struggling
with something so complicated is like great, Like we don't
see women do that in movies. And it's crazy because
and I feel like it speaks to like the performance

(01:00:43):
and the writing of like there's not a ton of
screen time spent on that particular issue, but every time
she's there, you feel that, and it's it's like, yeah,
we can we can write female characters who have these
inner struggles, even if it is a movie that's primarily
about a man. And I also I really liked the
tone of I feel like a lot of times in

(01:01:04):
action movies, and I'm not particularly into action movies, but
like a lot of times when there are women in battle,
the movie kind of goes out of its way to
congratulate itself on being like, look we showed a woman fighting,
girl power, right and that I was like that that
really fucking bothers me when it's like, look, we whatt
a girl in it? Is that you do you like,

(01:01:27):
maybe we have a trophy and it's like no, no,
like the way the warriors are treated are as equals
and they're fighting each other and yeah, like it's like
you're saying if it's like Coogan's not going out of
his way to be like, hey, look I I included women,
Like it's so normal, It's just what it is. It's
also like, you know, I know, people called out Wonder

(01:01:49):
Woman's costuming and stuff. I noticed definitely immediately they were
fully covered that they you know, because they are bald
to you know. It was tricky with Wonder Woman because
don't worry, I did cry during it. So it's like
don't feel it, but there is this sense sometimes of um,
it gets a little sexy, you know. You get your
swoma where it's like a fucking hair hair, you know
what I mean, and it's like a close and on

(01:02:10):
abs and contortion, you know. Um. And this one it
was now that they weren't beautiful, but it was so
much about like strength and power. Yeah, it was less
about like the women are never sexualized, like even when
I mean, even when you see them look beautiful showing
up in Korea and Lupete has got the stank face
what I mean, she isn't like the wig, you know.

(01:02:30):
So even if it's like they look great, but she's
just like me alone, you know what I mean. She
does not want to be bothered, even in that moment
where it's like they are unapologenically sexy. Right, my god,
the figures, the bodies that addresses everything about it. There's
no sort of like so often in especially action movies,
where there is like one female character which is sort

(01:02:50):
of most of Wonder Woman too. You get the first
twenty minutes in themishere, but then she would she usually
one like it is her movie, and then for the
month of the movie she is the one woman surrounded
by these men, and she's also has to kind of
prove to them that she's not crazy. You know, I no,
come on, we've got to come together, and they're like

(01:03:12):
this broad I thought about that a lot since we
recorded our Wonder Woman episode, because we recorded it so
soon after we both saw it where I was still like,
but like, I've seen it two times since then, and
it is there's a lot about that movie that's like,
there are those moments where she's hot and proving herself
to World War One soldiers and it's like they're why

(01:03:33):
why does it always have to be a question? I
also didn't like the bait like there was again I
think again my tears were in that opening sequence, like
I love that part, but then we get to this
point where what I don't like is that she, as
a result of not being connected to the world, she
was infantilized, you know what I mean, like where everything
is like new to her. The born Sexy Yesterday troup

(01:03:54):
is Yeah. Pop Culture Detective did a video about it
about this trump that's super common a lot of like
sci fi movies, Oh yes, yes, where it's like a
fully grown sexual woman who was like I'm a baby, yeah,
which is super the second like you identify that trupe,
you're like like why but there yeah, and and that's

(01:04:19):
absent from this movie. Yeah. Yeah, you know. The women
are always an authority. Like if we jump to the
scene where they're questioning Claw and like she sees like
a on the screen, she walks up to him in
Kareem's like yo, what's that and he's just like, oh,
this is what it is. Like he's never like who
are you or like you know, like yeah, he was like, oh,

(01:04:39):
this is what's going on and then uh, or like
that wonderful scene where like her and Chadwick are having
the conversation in your shot like in front of Ross
doing like a just a perfect African job of how
they talk ship in their language while staring right at you,
and he's like, does she speak English? And she's like
when she wants to and shut up, you know, like

(01:05:03):
you get out of here. Like never once are they
made to look dumb or in secondary to anyone. They're
always an authority. And that was like real cool. The
whole thing was like I'm not even that you know,
that scene really highlights it. But the whole ideas like
I'm not here for you, you know, I'm not here
for you to make you feel better, because they don't
say what you want to hear all the damn dib,
I'm not here to have sex with you, or they

(01:05:26):
don't even really you know, they don't even have the moment,
either of them, because I definitely thought it would come
into play because they do look so good going into
that Cristino scene. There was not a moment where they, like,
you sex to trick someone. That happened, you know what
I mean. Like she's in a skin tight dress working
it and there's never anything where like a man, you
know what I mean, She like plays with a man's
idiocy to get her way. It's like, no, I'm gonna

(01:05:48):
do my job, and then when it's time to fight,
I fight. You know. Yeah, you don't even get the
feeling that she's wearing the dress for anyone, but just
because that's what she wanted to She's like, we have
to look fancy, we're going to part it right. It's like,
but yeah, they don't do that thing, which I think
you see obviously all the time, and it's always meant
to be obviously A comment on male stupidity, but it
is still it's become a trope that it's now it's

(01:06:09):
it feels lazy when it happens, right. Also, something I
thought about is, like, you know, you have the scene
where Michael B. Jordan's his like Bonnie and Clyde girl,
he just like shoots her. Oh yeah, and it's like
straight up and I feel like in a movie without
any of these strong women, it probably would have made
me go, come on, you know. But it's it's that
thing that we talk about where like when people like

(01:06:30):
this isn't a big deal. This isn't because it was,
like it wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't
the only thing that you know that goes on. But
the simple fact that you have so many strong women,
so many women with like speaking roles, so many that
like killing her off like it doesn't matter to make
that statement doesn't ring as hollow as it normally does
when you have your fridging scene. But that also I

(01:06:51):
think tells you, you know, because of how he does
set up femininity, it's exactly how you know he's a
bad guy. Yeah, when we don't know the fact that
he takes a woman out so soulnestly when it's clearly
they did have some sort of sexual bond, you know,
and she's even like, I'm sorry, you know, she says
that for a second, he's like, my bitch, it lets
you know immediately, oh he's no good, right, And he's

(01:07:13):
also like, you ain't what kind boy? You know what
I'm saying. You don't roll with the way we roll
up in here. We don't be shooting him out, you know,
all three times to gasp on that feel that you're like, oh,
because you are like this is this is his girl.
This is like she's been for all one of his
highest they're always making out like I got a bigger mission.

(01:07:34):
Like right, he kills a few women because towards the
end he one of the warriors. And then in the
early I think the only white woman you see in
the entire movie is that British woman at yeah who
I don't know if she dies, but she gets poisoned,
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. It hits her with a straight
up hotep speech when it's like oh you think, uh so,

(01:07:54):
how do you think your ancestors got this? Huh? And
you're like, okay, we get it. Your look was like
with her coffee, and I was like, okay, I think
you can leave now exactly. But I also looked how
extra he looked at that scenies. Yeah, it was like
so extra because it was like the layers of denim.
Was it a vest or there's a jacket over the

(01:08:14):
jacket Brodie Reid, you know that comic. Yeah, Brodie Reid
has that exact same jacket and the exact same Yeah. Yeah.
I feel like he was wearing your glasses between He
was giving so many looks in the museum and I thought,

(01:08:35):
I was like, honestly, your lucky security didn't come to
you close. It was like, you're very extra right now,
I was, I mean, you do feel that when when
Michael b takes that lady out, I don't remember did
she did she have a name that character? I don't
know if we are but we called her relaxed Hair
and then she was taken out and that was the
big That was the bigger message in the movie is

(01:08:56):
the one woman without she gotta god. I feel like
that was like you were saying, like it's like a
villain moment because it's hard for like even though I
you go into it, you're like, oh, Michael Be's the
bad guy, but it's like hard for Michael Be to
lose me, and I want he killed the lady. I
was like, okay, he kind of last. That's a great

(01:09:18):
way to lose me in the movie, straight up murder
a woman because I'll forgive a lot and a hot villain. Yeah,
we know about your take on Spider Man too, and
Alfred my my dog. Thick villain. Yeah, well I love
a thick villain, look at my romantic history. But that

(01:09:41):
also that leads me to another thing I wanted to
talk about as far as like tropes in superhero movies
in general. So I would say of the movies that
we've done so far in this podcast, we see a
trend of movies with a female protagonist faring better in
terms of their portrayal of women. Movies with male protagonists
usually get like a one nipple rating. So The Black

(01:10:02):
Panther is like a rare example of a movie with
a male protagonist that services its female characters extremely well,
because like not every movie needs to have a female protagonist. Like,
women make up roughly fifty of the people, like we um,
so men identifying people would make up that. But then

(01:10:26):
there's also gender queer and non binary people who make
up a small percentage of people as well. But because
like I think it's somewhere around seventy percent of movies
feature a male protagonist, so we see this huge like
gender and balance in terms of movies. But I think
it is the responsibility of movies that do have a
male protagonist to still treat its female character as well.

(01:10:47):
So food them do Black Panther does. What does suck
is that this movie still follows a trend of a
superhero movie with a male protagonist. I'm hoping with the
success of Wonder Woman will see like a shift in
that soon, but this still follows a trend of being
a superhero movie with a male protagonist. But I think
it goes to great lengths to subvert the troops that

(01:11:08):
we see in superhero movies. The troops that like that
are specific to the treatment of women. I've made a
list of just a few of them. I'm sure there
are dozens more. How many different colors, fonts, highlights, it's
a lot of crazy. Okay, I'm so lame. Wait, it's
almost like she went to grad school. So some of

(01:11:31):
the troops include they're only being one female main character,
she's poised as the love interest in pretty much nothing else.
She's given no agency, she's given little or no backstory,
She's given little or no goal or desire outside of
being with the male hero. Very often she disappears for
forty five minutes at a time, and then she comes back.

(01:11:52):
It's like, oh did she come back? For often because
she was captured, held as bait uh and she's not
able to fight, she has to be saved by the
male hero. Black Panther subverts all of these trips, like
women are never damseled, they're given agency, they have their
own lives around fact stories. We have already talked about that.

(01:12:12):
There is one tiny moment where Captain Kidding, where kill
Monger has his like spear or whatever raised above sureI
and is like probably about to kill her, and Black
Panther does have to like throw him out of the
way basically, But that moment it didn't even register for

(01:12:35):
me until my third viewing because it's so quick and
it's not It doesn't feel like she's damseled and she
has to be saved because up until that point she
had been fighting, and then after that point she's continues
fighting that to me felt like a team moment. Yea,
and being siblings helped him because women save male warriors
asks so many times in this movie that it was
like exactly, yea. And compare that sequence to the ending

(01:13:00):
of for example, Spider Man Too, where Mary Jane is
literally in shackles cannot do anything. But we all know
that that's really Alpha Mollinas movie, Like we could have
chained up the whole, like we would just be like,
let's just everyone else get out of frame, let them
in flex with his claws. Damn it. Uh. Yeah. The

(01:13:21):
one time she, like Mary Jane, tries to do anything,
she's immediately flung out of the way. She's literally thrown
out of the climax of the movie. That happens to
women all the time, movies where there What was the
movie we did recently where like the female protagonist, it
was Pacific rim where I wake up at the end
basically like they get knocked out and then they come
to when it's all been solved, right the movie make

(01:13:42):
him worry. She is literally launched out of the climactic
scene of that movie. There there, she's sealed up in
a little pod and they're like seal at her bitch
and then and then we see her at the end
for a little nuzzle, and it's just like fud there,
and that movie doesn't I mean, I just I anytime
a woman's lawn start at the climax of the movie,
I'm just like, well, okay, cool, that doesn't great. Let

(01:14:07):
us know how it ends, right. Another thing I want
to talk about is I labeled this section men be
Crying because you see no less than five men in
this movie crying, which is a mate like showing men
crying in movies sends a message to men and young
boys who are seeing the movie that it's okay to cry.
That the new queer eyes just men crying. And I've

(01:14:31):
never touched like. I watched it all yesterday and I
was like, why is everyone you know going crazy over this?
And I was like, oh, correct, men cry the entire time.
White men, black men, young men, old man. Everyone's crying.
It fed me. It was mana, it was man nectar. Okay,
That's what I'm trying to say. I'm saving it. I'm
saying it for a dark days. I'm saving it for

(01:14:52):
when I need it. And then I'm canceling everything clear
my schedule. I've got queer eyes. Yeah, because I feel
like so much of toxic masculinity stems from men not
being able to emote and feel their feelings and like
be expressive of their feelings. So the fact that you
see to Challa crying, you see his dad to Chaka crying,

(01:15:14):
You see Zuri, who we haven't really talked about, but
it's for a Whittaker's character. You see Joebu crying, that's
certainly k brown. And you see kill Monger crying. You
see five men shedding tears, kill Monger adulter kill. I
think the adult. Yeah, how does it feel as a
black man is see black? Oh it's great. I didn't
feel this clean since just back to being cleans. Yeah,

(01:15:39):
they went to a sniffle city, yes, there, but the
moments when men were crying this movie, I'm like, oh man,
I'm really glad this movie is PG thirteen. I'm glad.
I'm glad that Like, yeah, I'm glad that like young
men can see this. Yeah, and your father we're in
it again? Sound fine? That kid was Yeah, he's like

(01:16:02):
he's like eleven, He's like everybody dies, And I'm like, well,
nok go play us some toys. That's reality. No man
speaking of toys. So sorry this interesting transition. I know
the scene where he's trying on his new shoes, she's like, oh,

(01:16:22):
I call them sneakers. Ha ha. She's like, these are
like fully automated shoes, just like the ones in the
American movie that Baba used to wear. What movie Back
to the Future? Okay, that's what I thought, I was
I assume, yeah, yeah, I was just like did they
just make it back to the future? Like it was
a very like just a nerd where it's like you

(01:16:43):
have to know to know if you know, you know.
Another thing I wanted to mention is that it's a
panther goddess that shows the condoms flower. Okay, you just yeah,
like panther. Yeah, it's like pussy goddess flower. Like it's like, okay,
we get it. It's about women, right, and it's does

(01:17:05):
someone say pussy goddess flower? Because it's a flower that
gives the black panther his power. Flowers are very feminine
little things. And the fact that it's not like some
because so many superheres are like, oh, you're very rich
and good at technology, and that's why you're a superhero rock.
H Yeah, you were strong enough to withstand this rock

(01:17:26):
and now you're super so. Yeah. I liked that it
was a flower that gives some his powers flower power,
and now you're making a soundless strong Okay, you don't
ruin the vote for me. Did you know that flower?
We came forth from the pussy goddess flower. I was
gonna say that flower. I was gonna be like, did
you know that flowers have eight petals? And I was

(01:17:46):
going to make a fake flower factors, but then I
remember panthers or cats? Have cats have eight nipples? You know?
This is cat factor with Caitlin also, yeah, that's crazy
that we've been talking about panther and that hasn't come
up soon, right, Um? I think the Black Panthers suit
should have had eight nipples star to the George Clooney

(01:18:08):
nipple Batman suit. Oh, that would have been so distracted
if you look very confused, And it was absolutely not
because I could picture it because I remember that Batman
suit was like, oh man, yeah, could anyone actually summarize
that movie? Or we were we so transfixed by the nips?

(01:18:29):
I stand for the nips. Okay, good, I'm here for
the nips. Something that's been talked about a lot in
this movie is colorism and how it's very rare to
see dark skinned black people. It was the greatest moment
of my life. I love it. I love light skinned
people have been tripping over there's no yeah, because you're

(01:18:51):
in everything else. Give us this. You have Shamar Moore
who's in there having just weird threesomes, so give us this,
and you at most rap videos like so it literally
did make me feel better because I'm constantly like because
I've been I've been going out on auditions, like when
my first is my first go in l a pilot season,
and what it is to kind of go in for
stuff and even just to read the script like I

(01:19:12):
when I was like, this is for a white woman,
you know what I mean? Like when I literally read
it and I'm like, okay, Like so how much work
do I put in here? How likely is this? My
whole big thing is. I was like, I'm never gonna
be on TV. My eyes are too small. Everyone has
big eyes like dinner plates. And then I was like
watching I was like, actually, like no, not all most
black people don't. I was like, oh, that's like a thing,
you know what I mean, Like it's a white standard

(01:19:33):
of beauty. And then when I was watching that movie
and I was like, Okay, no, maybe I'm okay, Maybe
I'm okay. I will shave my head though, but I
was like, but it was I don't know. It was
like just on that very minor level where I was like, Okay,
maybe I'm not so bad, but it's unfortunate that it's
either a totally black world or it's like the one
black person supporting a Caucasian dream. I mean, but anybody.

(01:19:54):
It was so great, and I was like, oh god,
I'm lighting all those black people so well, picking up
all the tones. One of the very few females and
a photographer in this one awesome. Her name is Rachel
Morrison and she was the she did mud and she
isn't she nominated? Is the first I did not know

(01:20:15):
this first the first woman. Yeah, first female cinema talkingper ever,
because cinematographers are almost never women on like mainstream, big
Hollywood movies. Yeah. One last thing I wanted to say,
do you think that there is a surprise kiss at
the end of this movie? There's a kiss? A fan
mentioned it might be a surprise kiss because he kind
of So it's after the whole battle, Te'challa and the

(01:20:39):
Kia are hanging out in the city and he's like,
please stay, please, you can do men do a lot
of begging in this movie, which is like a pretty
times very sexually charged. For me, it was like this,
I love there. Yeah, but continued so like yeah, he
was like, you can do what you want to do.
I have like an idea for you, because her whole

(01:21:01):
thing has been she wants to basically do like outreach
and use the resources that Wakonda has to help other
parts of the world, and he's like, yeah, we can
like figure out a way for you to do that
with also like staying here with me. She's like, and
please be my girlfriend, and then he like swoops in
and kisses her. It's not in a situation where like

(01:21:22):
she was necessarily expecting it or prepared for it. I
read it as kind of a surprise kiss. Yeah. Yeah,
But then he like kind of backs away. He's like, sorry,
I had to I almost died like that. But then
she leans in and kisses him, so she returns it. Right.
It's not I mean, on the on the spectrum of

(01:21:42):
surprise kisses, the worst of course being The Mummy, a
feral Brendan Fraser leaping out of a cage and kissing
a woman who immediately falls in love with him, which
is like cartoonish. I feel like this was sort of
a surprise kiss and I feel like, because I just
saw this movie, I was like, because that's how movies

(01:22:04):
condition us to feel about the surprise cast. Sometimes I
did appreciate that she returned it, so it wasn't like
I don't know, but I think it kind of Yeah.
I feel like it was just in the sense that
they had history, and I feel like when you're around
your ax and you're like, what's up. Sorry, And I
also't like that he I also do like that he
acknowledged like, yo, I did kind of press the gas. Yeah,

(01:22:28):
plant the gas. And then she was like, all right,
you did this time, but next time, well it was
and maybe I missed it, but that was the only
time he joked. That was the only funny line he
said in the movie. You know, he was not the
funny one. And so he's like, I almost died, and

(01:22:49):
you're kind of like, you know, I did, I know
because at that registered to be and then I was
just like, but it. But part of me also wonders
if it was like because I'm to be misremembering the trope,
But isn't it usually like the girl does a small
kiss and then like the guys like, yeah, it's time.
So I was wondering if it was a flip on that. No,

(01:23:09):
the surprise kisses the trope and the girls like it's okay,
I don't remember. I don't remember a lot. I mean,
it goes both, but I think normally it is like
a man comes in for a kiss that the woman
is surprised about remember arms going from open, takes it
in the kiss into her heart, where when the kiss starts,
it's like, this could go either way, this could go
either way. But almost every time it's like, no, she

(01:23:32):
just fell in love somehow got radioactive fox saliva, She's
gonna whatever. Thinking at the funny characters, though, it's all
the women. All the women have all the left line.
Yeah except for Hembako think Zaddimbak, who really has some
Are you done? He was here? He was just here,

(01:23:55):
he was just here. Sorry, y'all. I have a million
bottles in front of me. I am I have an
unquenchable thirst drinking. That's what happens when I think about Lupita, right,
and every strong woman, I'm like, man like. I figured
that out in Atomic Blonde, that like women kicking men's
asses like Wolf. That's fool. My god, I just haven't

(01:24:18):
been allowed to see it. I know, it's like, this
is what I need. Right, Um, let's talk about whether
or not the movie passes the Bechtel tests. It passes
it next, I'm sorry, I don't know about it. There
are a lot of scenes where women are talking about,
usually to Challa, so they do not pass. I found

(01:24:41):
a few that can. I take a guess, just just
just a free ball. My first guest is the scene
outside the Korean club where they're discussing her previous time there,
and they only she mentions to Challa and them as
a group once, but besides that, they're just talking about
why she's bad news and the thing she did last

(01:25:02):
time she came. She's speaking so because it's Nikia talking
to the Korean woman, right, because she does have a name,
she's given a name Sophia, I think it is. Yeah,
that's that's one of my contenders. Is a passing. This
is a table in Klys. I can't see it, but
I'm guessing you're not wrong, and I think it's either
right before that or right after that Akoi is wearing

(01:25:25):
the wig. She's like, I can't wait to get this
ridiculous thing off my head, and Nikki is like, oh,
it looks nice. Just whip it back and forth, and
then Akoi is like disgrace, which I think is a
dig at willow Smith, but it does pass the Backelt
because they're talking about her wig. And then there's a
scene towards the end in the big battle where Nikia

(01:25:46):
and sure He kind of meet up and one of
them is like, are you all right? And then I
was like, yeah, I'm okay you, Yes, let's go. That
passes a lot of these other ones, though I think
they're talking about because is like a scene where Nikia
and the Queen. The Queen's like when they have the
herb that they stole from the garden, right before it
gets burned, She's like, you have to be the one

(01:26:08):
to take this because if we give it to Umbaku,
he's going to create an even bigger monster potentially, and
she's like, no, I'm a spy without an army, I
don't stand a chance. So that like kind of passes
at the very very end of that conversation, I think.
But up until that, I mean, what about this scene
where Nikia comes to a Koyer and she asked her

(01:26:28):
to revolt, and she says before that, she's like your
spy who comes and goes as you leave? And then uh,
she's like, who do you serve? And then she's like,
I serve my country, and then a Koya goes, well,
I serve the throne no matter who sits up there,
so she doesn't necessarily say a man. She's saying it's

(01:26:49):
the throne, which I also thought was badass because she's like,
oh fu tchalla jadaka who sits there? It's that's who
I say. Yeah, they start out being like, oh, let's
overthrow kill Monger and you're like no, and then they're like,
but I love to Chila. It's the love part. But
other than that, I think the combo fly yeah, and

(01:27:09):
that conversation ends being I think the key is like
I love my country, and then Aqua is like, then
you serve your country, and she's like, I save my country.
That pass so many like good lines like you're still
is literally thirty combined years of Okay, those black actors

(01:27:29):
who show up can't just be basic. Okay, you need
a fucking Juilliard degree to throw a spear, you know
what I'm saying. Like everybody there is like like, oh,
the acting was so good. I was like, cause, these
bitch has been fucking you know, doing theater for forty
five years, all got m f as. It's not you
know what I mean. It's like none of them were
found on YouTube, so you're getting extra level shit. Yeah yeah,
Um all right, let's write the movie on our nipple scale.

(01:27:51):
So we've got a zero to five nipple scale ratings
specifically based on its portrayal of women. So put your
nips on the table a time to do it. I
think I'm giving it a five nipple rating. The fact
that you see women just kicking as the whole time,
having agency, having desires, having skills. They're all women of color.

(01:28:14):
We rarely see this on screen where strong black women
get to just like kick as, at least in mainstream
Hollywood movies. This movie is a triumph for women. This movie,
I hope will be just like a cultural landmark for
years to come. I'm so glad this movie exists. I
hope that everyone sees it millions of times. Carolyn, do
you like this movie? I think I think that women

(01:28:38):
are represented so well in this movie. I was speaking
to this earlier, like, it's not every single movie has
to have a woman protagonist, but of the movies that
do have a male protagonist, I think it's important still
obviously to do justice to its female characters, and this
movie does an excellent job of that. I'm giving it
five nipples Nikia koay A and sure he I'll get one,

(01:29:03):
so does Angela Bassett. And my final nipple goes to
I think I want to give it to Imbaku, yes,
because he was like all geared up to be like
he was sort of established as this like kind of
the most toxic in his masculinity of all the male characters,
and then he came around and we were like, great,

(01:29:26):
he's a good guy. He's also very handsome. I'm gonna go,
I'm gonna go four and a half just because I'm
a little bit I'm gonna go I'm gonna go for
and half. There's like there are a few little things
with this movie. Wasn't crazy about the surprise. Kiss wish

(01:29:47):
that the queen character had been given a little more depth,
a little more things to do. But I mean, obviously
everything I agree with that you're saying. There's is it's
so rare to see a movie where when men are
represented not only as capable, but respected by the men
who surround them and really working on equal footing the

(01:30:08):
entire time. They have romantic lives, but they're not identified
by their romantic lives. It's just it's great, There's I
don't I don't have that much to add. I really
liked it. I'm excited to see the director's cut to
see what, like more there was that we didn't get
to see, because there's like little moments where it's like, yeah,
I would have loved to see these two women talk more,
these or even these two characters. Um, I would have

(01:30:29):
loved to see like a softer side of a Koya.
And I'm I feel like that probably exists somewhere. I
just haven't seen it. So I give it four and
a half. I'm giving two to Sure because I just
I just love her. I love that little baby genius.
Giving two to Imbaco because he's my crash and we
must give things to our crushes and the last half

(01:30:52):
to Okoya. Yeah five knits maybe literally at all For
me comes down to that moment when a Core is
staring at Wikabi and he's like, would you really kill me?
And she's like, for Wakanda, I will kill a man
for I will kill my love right, and the person
she's like, I have bigger dreams or I am tied

(01:31:13):
to more than you, and I think you don't see that.
It's I think, especially superhero movies, it's all kind of like,
you know, the idea that you employ your powers, you
do whatever for love, right. It's always like to get
this person to save this person. You know, you killed
my parents and I have to avenge them. It's a
love thing. And this was so much. You know, this
movie was about the bigger It was about country, it
was about nationality, home, spirit, those bigger things, and the

(01:31:35):
men kind of came second to that. You know. Even
in the conversations about T'Challa, mostly they're about him as king,
as ruler of this nation, not as man I love
you know, so you kind of again, it's like he's
a symbol, you know, in a lot of ways, he's
he's the symbol and the women are like the people
grappling with the symbol, which makes sense. Five nips maybe

(01:31:57):
five hot nips them to three go to ok, yeah, yeah,
to go to Nikia nice perfect. Yeah, I'm gonna go
ahead and drop five cocoa butter moisturized, you know, the
super chocolate Ariola, Like yeah, same, the same for me,

(01:32:21):
where it's like, not only does it pass the Bechdel,
but yeah, you do see women be like men don't matter.
And I think what really drives it home for me
is like without the women in this movie, they couldn't
have won. They could not have won. And I feel
like a lot of action movies that have women, you
can take the woman out and they're either no longer
a burden or like it would be a little harder

(01:32:43):
but they'd be fine. But the movie would literally stop
without those women. It took Nikia's foresight to like, let
me get one of these herbs that I might need this.
It took them like going up to Umbaku in the cold.
You know, you know, angela basset don't do well in
the cold. You know, it's those those dreads were holding
in all that winter, and you know, and what what

(01:33:06):
was Imbo, do you just have to cholott on ice?
You just got this cold nigger just in your house forever, Like,
what was the plan? He had no plane, he had
no plan. He just yeah, like, I'm gonna just wait
till the dust settle and I'll figure out what to
do with this icy ass right here. So like you
needed those women for it to be success, and for like,

(01:33:29):
even without kill Monger, Black Panther would not be who
he is without Suri's it is built around and you
know it and her tech is a real pinnacle of
the movie. You see it used. You see it in
the sneakers. You see it used with the balls that
thrown off her knocked him out with his own suit,

(01:33:51):
Like she plays with him, she's like and like the
first words out of Shrey's mouth is teaching her older
brother about tech. Where she's like, just because it works
doesn't mean we can't make it better. So yeah, just
lots of women in charge. So I'm definitely given to
to Sherry to do Koya, and I guess one to Nikita.

(01:34:13):
You know, I want to give her to but I
only have one to spare you. Six nipples, alright, six nipples.
Six butter six, purple Airy Yolas. Oh my god, thank you.
This has been so much fun. Yeah, thank you so
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