July 11, 2019 • 52 mins
Caitlin and Jamie decide to adopt two identical strangers Catherine Cohen and Pat Regan after discussing It Takes Two.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the beck Doll Cast, the questions asked if movies
have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy zef
invest start changing it with the Beckdel Casts. Hello, welcome
to the Betel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My
name is Caitlin. Druntis is our podcast about the betrayal
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of women in movies and how Hollywood fox it up
almost constantly. Caitlin language sorry early in the podcast. I've
read the reviews and they say we're vulgar and we
don't know what we're talking about. That's all. The review
is hooray, good lord. So if you want to not
have those b our only reviews, please write and review
us on iTunes. Hey. The Bechtel Test, if you don't
(00:44):
know what that is, is a media test created by
cartoonist Alison Bechdel, and it requires that a piece of media,
a movie perhaps, has two female identifying characters with names,
they must speak to each other, and their conversation connot
be about and yeah, do you think it'd be easy button?
Most movies, a lot of them don't, anyway, So we
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use that as a as a way to kick off
a conversation about women in movies, and we're gonna do
that again today. We're the same thing every freaking time,
every fucking time. Over too funny, Jesus. Okay, So today
we're featuring an iconic duo that we've never featured on
this show before, and so it only seemed fitting that
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we bring in an iconic duo to cover it with us. Yes, yes,
so without much further ado. Their panic, they're they're holding hands. Um.
They are comedians and they are the host of the
Seek Treatment podcasts on the Forever Dog Network. It's Katherine
Cohen and Pat Reagan. Oh my god, please only talking
(01:52):
union the entire episode? Can I say? That's on? One
day we were chatting with Catherine's abroad lover Sure Broad remember,
but we were both face timing him, and I brought
into apartment. She was facing him, so I started talking
and he was like, Hey, you guys talk alike. He's like,
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you talk how she does. So you're reeling very strong.
I think I have a guess, fresh mat it. If
I tried to do like Australian accent, it comes out
as Japanese. I tried to do a British accent. It
comes out as Midwestern, like I trying to do any accent.
Besides like British or Southern. It sounds like a sim
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like scorging dort. Wait, you guys have never had to
do it before. No, oh no we did. We had
one for Debs. We had a duo for Black Panther
was also there was a duo actually just made the
South or fifth time. But did you say that you
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wanted to hear that. I wanted to hear the ones
that we've brought in that iconic to her. But you
know what, No, you're the first. Canonically you're the first
will reverse all the numbers and time. What's so crazy
about time is that we though we experience it literally, Um,
that's not how it exists. It's actually cyplical it Why
is it so long? Time? I'm trying to move through
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some pain I'm experiencing, and it woc It's insane. I
feel like I've been alive for a million years and
I time I so long. But also what talks by
this time is also so short, Like I'll be I'll
be kind of lying. They're looking at the ceiling all
the time. I'm not even getting it sixteen hours later
looking at me. Sometimes the day starts and we're like,
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it's already three. But thank you guys for having us
as the point. Oh my god, you're so welcome. So
we're talking to you about the movie. It takes two.
What is the both of your history your relationship with
this it's American American actually big screen Steve Guttenberg, Wetton shirtless,
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Curciale halez new I have we have one question before
we started, and we're gonna ask you guys this question,
and you need answer honestly, and I don't look it up.
How old do you think Ali is today? Right now?
So I can answer? But isn't it crazy? I don't know.
Can I guess yes today today as we sit in
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this podcast studio, I would guess sixty three sixty eight years.
That's more what I thought. But she didn't start doing
like acting until she was like thirty. For me, broke
am No, I would like to say, to bring it
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back to the point of the podcast. Um, thank you
so much. It takes two. Now, Mary Kate and asturally
raised me there, raised you to an extent. Yeah, okay,
not only did they raised me, they invented me. Okay,
Holiday in the Sun, Passport to Paris. I thought, when
I go on a vacation, I'm going to get kissed.
It wouldn't be years later, ten years even before I
did get kissed upon first to Paris. But I come
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to it takes two and this is sort of this
was in theaters. Am I right? Yes? Se Gutenberg, who
invented the print press, who invented jeans. She's like, I
picture her like, she's amazing hair. She invented a certain
kind of hair. She has credit for the most specific
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mom hairstyle. Beautiful. My experience on the movie is that
it taught me that I like sloppy Joes. So you
grew up with this movie, Katherine, you saw it a
bunch kind of thing. Okay, Pat, what about you? My
relationship was I, like, I like one best friend. Growing up.
We would have severatch movies and we would watch like
Roman Mitchell's High School Union, or like It Takes Two
(05:42):
recent episode of Ours. Yeah, totally great film. That movie. Literally,
it's what I watched when I want a quite comedy.
Every single day I Watvie. So I watched that movie
every single day. But that is such a specific vibe
movie when you're just ready to quit. Yeah, but so
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we loved it Takes two. For some reason, I remember
going to Blockbuster and getting it. There's just certain lines
of it that I've always remembered, Like I've always remembered
the part where the social workers going taking took away
one of them and she runs into the office and
they're like, what do you want us to do? Lie
down in front of the van, and she's like, I
would have actually the funk down. Um, you have a
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crush on that adoption guy. I have a crushed on
the main guy. I have a crush on the camp
like Jim Teacher or whatever. And I have a crush
on the abusive adoptive. It was. I wrote that down
and then I looked I looked him up. I was like, oh,
he was young when he did that. He's like twenty
five years old. And that I was like, hello, you called,
I said, I was like, he's really young. I also
was like the butt kisses the couple Like, I was
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like they you can tell that couple was like that,
that duo just like it was a cracking up the
crew on set and I got back the photo and like, oh,
this isn't that great? But whatever? Um? But I was
of love like Maryka and actually like obviously watchful hospital.
Then I watched like um on ABC Family there was
Little Time No not that was but adventures no adventures,
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no no, no no, no stops up to be kind
to so many shots because there was the Adventures of
Mary Kay and Nashally too. What's that that was? Like?
That might have been like a video we Save any
Crime by Dinner Time? Yes, yes that was, yes, the
Haunted episode where the beekeepers, Oh my god, an incredible episodes. Second,
but I always remember a moment in an episode of
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was what you just said? So Little Time where one
of them gets addicted to massages at the coffee She
can't stop getting massages. That's me, Like six, I got
a massage in public at Bonaru thank you, and I
was like, this is turned bad to get fully massage
will laying done in public? It's something you shouldn't. You've
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gone all the way up to the line. I don't
like massages. Professional were like they were they think it's
like they hurt, but yeah, like you and your sex partner,
like if it's like a sex. One of my favorite
kinds of porn is massage porn, That's true. It's a
whole category of gay porn where it's like a guy's
going into a sports massage and like he's just like
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a college football player, and then like the guy starts
like paying a lot of attention to the ass in there,
and they like totally not to take a dick up
his ask. But it's perfectly wax. So it takes two.
So Steve Guenberg does look sexy. Oh my god, he's
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got a very square mill his shoulders. He looks like
six different people, let's name them the guy from Cone
trying to kids. He also does, I mean hunky, a
little bit like Billy Crystal, like Dennis Quaid, but only
because this movie is the parent Trap. Yeah, it is.
The movie is the parent Trap. And he kind of intector,
saying it's also a Princeton and Paper. It's not. Actually
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you've read whatever you know. I believe you need to
for one second get over the fact that I was
an English minor near a book. Jamie. What's your history
with the movie. Um, I saw it when I was
really for some reason, my household was not a Mary
Kate Nashley household. I think my mom did not care
for them. But my best friend Lindsay growing up had
(09:22):
a very Mary Kay Nashurally household. So all my memories
with them are like tied to like hanging out with
her and like we would go I would go over
and we would watch as many as possible before I
would have to go home. So I'm talking the sleepover tapes,
talking the mystery tapes and talking it takes two password
to Paris. Billboard Dad my personal favorite, and this one,
this is not my favorite one, but it's you know,
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I love. I think that this is the only one
that was like in theaters like until until New York
minute many years. O loved New York. Jean Levy on
the cover. Also, Jared Palecki is in that movie, and
who is that? To me? He is he is from
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a cultural blind. I'm actually so passionate about this. Dean
isn't hot. I don't think he's hot either, but he
is irrefutably in that movie. We can't take that from him.
I had never seen this movie. I have never seen
any Mary Kate n Ashley Olson movie. Wait what you're
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like the perfect? Aren't you like the same? I'm the
I am a month older than them. Are I am
actually the third Olson triplet. I just came out a
month premature. You know, we're like almost the exact same age.
But I don't know. I watched Full House when I
was a kid, but I did not engage in any
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of their film works. But yeah, so I hadn't seen
this movie, but I had seen The Parent Trap a
million times as a kid. But the Parent Trap came
out Lisa Lindsay Lohan one came up three years after
It Takes two, so it's hard to tell how much
this movie was from. But those Parents Shop was based
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on the previous right, so it's hard to say how
much It Takes Two pulled from the original Parent Trap
from like the sixties. What I think happened is they
were like, um, and I was, and I wasn't. There
wasn't in on these meetings, but right. But I think
happened is they were like, this is like the height
of of M K and A. And they were like,
we need a vehicle for these young girls and theaters.
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And they were like, well, what can we do? They
are twins. They got a Brooklyn accent, and they got
us from gently British accent. The British accent comes and
goes the party daddy. She's just got good diction and
that's British for her. But I think that like they
were just like wanting to do a twenty thing and
then they're like, well we could do parent trap this stuff,
and they're like then they just cut anything that was
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like difficult plot wise. They're like, let's not make the
actual twin like that, Let's just make the magetical changers.
And like I think they which I've seen that documentary
Three Identical Strangers and it turns out that they were triplets,
they were biologically related. It's so crazy that they're just like, yeah,
they just happened to look exactly alike. I thought that
was really funny. That was like my favorite like weird,
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confusing plot thing in this movie was that they look
like I rewound it to be like, wait a second,
is there a moment where like the parents like what
sisteresn't you know? The thing tween? Like, oh my god,
and so good. But also I love Kirstie's reaction when
the butler comes and she like finds out that they're
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looking exactly like and she's just like that's amazing. Is
it amazing. I don't know, he's a social worker, like you,
like it seems like you would be the person to
be looking into this. She's you know, she's not particular.
I mean she I guess she's sort of good at
her job. She spends a lot of your time at camp.
She has good at her job because she's trying to adopt,
Like what are the ethics of her trying to adopt
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only a single one of these kids that she It's
messed up. It is gosh, it is I like that
part though in Kirsty, I mean we can we can
hit it. In the there's a part where she's in
this like Stevie next Black Billowy things. She's walking through
the woods. She's like, do I love Steve Gutenberg or not?
That was my favorite. Her clothes are so big, Yeah,
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so big. There. I feel like there's like this whole
narrative with like Kirsty Alley's like body where like when
she's in her forties, because she's in her forties in
this movie, and there's like, you know how like Kirsty
Alley she was representative for like Jenny Craig forever and
actress and like everyone gave her ship about her weight forever,
and I think this is around the time where that starts,
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because the way she's cost him just like kind of
bizarre sometimes where she's like put in these like billowy
boxy like you're you're not really supposed to be seeing
your body, I don't know, a cinched waist on cheers,
like like shoulder pads and cinched waist. And then yeah,
she was this the polar opposite direction. But I think
that like there was like one scene where she was
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like the high waisted jean. Yes, was that the food
food fight scene? No, because she's wearing like a really
like size. Yeah. Yeah, it's like she's a kittie. She's
a camp to have some fun. Were you so many
sweaters at cantel summer? It's summer? Just kiss me off.
In movies where there's kids at camp, they're always wearing
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like flannels. I'm like, it's hot. They probably shot it
in November. They're like, it's some stop romanticizing flannel. Okay,
So I'll do the recap really quickly of this story
and then we'll get into the discussion. Okay, So we
meet this little girl named Amanda. She's a tomboy. She's
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playing baby I'm Walking and she lives at like an
orphanage of sorts. And then Diane, which is Kirsty's character,
is trying to help find a family to adopt her.
So that's her exposition. But I think it's interesting that
she has to interview, like it's a job, got to
come to your interview for your parents. But I'm just
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surprised that they make orphans interview for that. I also
like the like, right off the bat, she leans out
the window and immediately like threatens one of the sweet
little girl. She's like, I'm gonna kill you. You're gonna
get into the k I said, I'll kill you if
you were dressed to play ball. And then the Brooklyn
twent is like which they live in the East Side
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of Manhattan. They re beall but like they is like what,
I ain't gonna hurt it or nothing. She's scrappy. She's
very scrappy. But in direct contrast to scrappy Amanda, there's
Alissa Callaway who looks the exact same as Amanda, but
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she's a different person and she's rich and she plays
the piano and she gets off this private jet. She's
sort of British, even though her parents is not British
and she doesn't live in England. She has this weird
like ash like, I still love hats. I feel like
the personality is it's like it's like and this is
a classic Alson twin device. It's like it's like a
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brim hat with the front from like bent up in
the Sunflower on it classics twins. They also the backwards
baseball cat depending on what their characters, Calton is always
well back on, like two sisters are a polar like
they were. One loves sports, but one love's fashion. One's
more like a boy and one's more like well, Mary
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kid's always a sporty one, right, and then Ashley is
always like more fim, I never pay attention to who
to who plays, which, well, that's true and you should
be for some reason that it's very important to me.
I missed the Olsen Twins, like we were saying, I
just had this. We just had this conversation where I
was doing them frantics. We were like, are they like,
how are they doing that? Are they doing well? And
I said, it's the kind of thing where it's like
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it does it don't seems like they're not doing well.
But if you say that, if you ever like say
something about the Olden Twins, the other persons like they're
actually doing amazing. So what are you finding about? Okay,
So are like they have a bunch of like fashion lines. Yeah,
but that's what everyone says. They're like, well, they're doing
fashion now. And then their other sister who looks also
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exactly like them. Yeah, yeah, and she's in like the
Avengers movies. I want some movie where she was. It's
called Liberal Arts with Ted mose B from How Your
Mother Seen It. Okay, so back to the story. So
there are these two girls who look identical, but you
know they come from different walks of life. And then
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Alyssa meets she like meets up with her father, who
Steve Goods, does not show up to Alyssa's private jet,
very rude. The butler shows up to the private jet, right,
but there's no handshake like in right but a butler
kind of raising a child. And I think, like this
whole movie makes if I'm ever rich, God for bed,
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I want to be like the kind of rich people
are in like mid nineties movies, or you for sure
have like a house of like kind of like servants
that are just like walking on with potters butlers. We
need platters, we need a circular tiveway, we need like
indoor pool. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get legally married
to like the bitchy woman who's like the stepmom and
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all these movies, Like I'm going to have that white
for sure in this movie. Her name is Clarisse Kensington Larise.
So Elyssa meets her and she's like, who's this woman?
She's engaged to Steve Guttenberg's character, but she doesn't know
that yet. How do we think they met? Yeah, they
do not say they only met like a fundraising event.
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Because she says, this is where I feel like the
it does a little better than the parent Trap because
she's like she's supposed to be like a climbing socialite
or whatever. But then Meredith and the parent Trap has
a job and is super successful, but it's just like
trying to marry him anyways. I was like, but it
seems like you're fine anyways, lady. I mean, she's just
kind of like she's like a socialite cartoon right something.
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These characters are ever well, doesn't got the big shells.
I do think she looks stunning. In the engagement party scene,
she's wearing the green dress like her like necklace and
earrings are really nice. I was like, howd romantic feeling
stars Jewish friend comes up and I'm like, that's me.
I did book that role. So Alyssa gets upset that
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Clarissa is so mean, and she finds out that she's
getting married to her father, so she's like, I'm running away. Meanwhile,
Amanda is going to summer camp on the same lake
that this like giant estate where Listen now lives, and
like Steve Guttenberg's dead wife started the camp. We never
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learned her name, We never learned anything except died. During
child person the scene because they were yelling over the
cafeteria and he's like, my wife died. Alyssa was born,
and I was like, my daughter killed my wife. That
scene is so wild, like the way that's delivered, because
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after he said, he's like, she died giving birth to Alyssa,
and Kirsty Alli just like wins this and it's like,
oh sorry, and then they continue the the whole point
of that. It's like for Kirsty Ally's characters in her
head was like, oh your single. Yeah, it's like a
weird flirty moment of learning that someone's wife has been
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dead for ten years. Perhaps they're single. Oh god, Okay.
So then so Amanda is with like all of her
camp friends and they dare her to ring the doorbell
of this huge house because they're like, it's haunted, so
like ring the doorbell. So she does, and then Vincenzo
the butler, opens the door and he sees Amanda and
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thinks it's Alyssa because again they are identical strangers, so
he brings her butler. And then Diane finds Alyssa, who
would run away to like a hundred yards away. Uh.
So she's like, hey, Amanda, and then she brings Alyssa
thinking it's Amanda back to the camp and there's a
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football game that makes Alyssa run back into the woods
just as Amanda is running away from the house. And
then then they bump into each other strangers again. Yes,
so there's like an extra step that doesn't need to
be there. They could have just like yeah. But then
I feel like the movie seemed like an end of Votus,
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you know. I was like, oh, they had to shut
this out, so they decide to switch places. And why
do they decide to switch places? So Amanda is going
to pretend to be Alyssa because she's so good at
scaring off parents because she's an orphan and no one
wants to adopt her. Got it? But then it's not
clear why Alyssa wants to go to the camp and
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pretend to be Amanda. Yeah, I think it's kind of
like a grass is always creen no situation because they
did set up a lot, like neither of them are
like happy in their lives and like one it's always
like I want. I think that they were both like
like the one wanted like parents and the other one
was like, oh my god, it's really it's like what's
it like to have friends? So when they reunite the
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next day, Amanda is like Clarice has gone, but only
for a week. And then Alyssa's like ship like too bad,
Diane can't be my mom because they had like bonded
with each other. So they get the idea and all
of her It's like the Chessie of this. I like
the Chessie gets to really shine and it gets to
be the romantic interest finally, right mid forties romantically, Chris
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comes through, so then they get the idea to have
Diane try to meet Steve Guttenberg in the hopes that
they will fall in love. So they orchestrate this whole
like horse riding encounter. Steveberg's horse outfit is off the
chart is a quest tree and where the gloves don't
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forget the moment where he is writing with one of
the girls. I don't remember which one it is, but
he says something like he asks her a question and
then she responds with are you asking me in a questrian?
It's meant to be a play on words, but it's
we have the l I guess it's an attempted a joke.
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He did look so hot in his like writing off
when he was I was like cool. I think this
movie is actually really cool. So so Diane and Steve
Gutenberg's character, which do we know his name? Roger Rogers
actually Steenberg. So Diana and Roger and me and Steve
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do you Steve Guenberg's character take closer to be your wife?
Steve Guenberg also even years younger than Kirstiality radical. I
love that this movie is political. Okay, So so Roger
and Diane. They meet and the sparks are flying. They
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are very interested in rebbed up from riding those fucking horses. Yeah,
there's one is coming. She's bouncing everything I'm about. There's
a lot of there's like a lot of chemistry between
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them too. I was like, because usually with these movies,
you're just like, yeah, that was no way. But I
was like, man, I could, I could. I would watch
the Yeah, oh my god, I'm so horny lately. So
then they hang out at camp a little bit. There's
this big food fight. They almost kiss, but then they
get interrupted. Is it usually happens because they can't kiss?
(24:57):
Oh my god? But no, isn't that scene interrupted by
the loose golden telescope? Well, yeah, the canoes fall over
because that's where the two girls are hiding, but Vincenzo
is actively spying on him and the golden tell us Yeah,
but then he leaves the room and then Clarice comes
back like way early and then looks into the telescope
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and sees them flirting. So then she's like, fuck, let's
got a wedding. The golden telescope is my new favorite
plot device. I wanted to be in every movie because
that cuts off him watching through the Golden telescope. I
like panicked in my hand because he's saying as he's
watching through the telescope at Kirsty Alley and Steve Guttenberg
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flirting a whole lake away. So it's like, it's a
it's a nice telescope. They're very wealthy, uh, And he goes,
that's more like it. And then he turns and faith
and then and then she looks in the sheet and
then she sees, yeah, so that's why she's like, I
gotta bump up this wedding, gotta trap this man a sap.
And then she's trying to send Amanda, who she thinks
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is Alyssa, away to boarding school. And while that's all happening, Alyssa,
who the can't people think is Amanda is being adopted
by that lame couple from the beginning who basically just
like put her to work into a junkyard, which is
like I thought that was like unnecessarily like real, they're
just like, oh yeah, and let's also like shed some
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light on the harsh adoptive practices. And I was like,
this is not the movie to be but it's like
a bunch of kids and like they're working in a scrapyard. Yeah,
and Kirsty comes and she's like, I'm going to report
your social services after I get my man. And they
made the kids seem so mean and on the adoptive
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father's side and they're just like you think you're richy
fucking idiot, and the rich kid is saved and all
the poor kids stuck in the adoptive system are left
to right. It's like, wow, really inspiring message. Good job.
But then yeah, Diane goes to rescue Alyssa and then mean, yeah,
Amanda's stalling the wedding, and then the two of them
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are there because it takes two baby to stop the wedding,
which works, and then Roger ends up with Diane and
then they finally get to kiss, and then I guess
they're all together as a family because Diana adopts Amanda.
Is that what happen? Also a line in the beginning
of the movie where like the poor one was like,
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won't you just stop me, Diana? And I was like,
you know that they won't let me adopt you because
on my salary, plus I don't have a husband. That
I did not catch that that is like one of
the wilder, more like points that comes up multiple points
in the movie. And there's even one point where she's
trying to adopt Amanda and then they're like they laughed
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at me because I don't have a husband, and he
was just like this is and then you're and then
I'm like, maybe I knew she likes Steve Gutenberg, but
he could be a means to an end to get
her to be able to adopt this, because yeah, I
think that was also a point, was like, now it
could be a family because I have a husband who's
ritch and they'll let me adopt you, and he's so bleak.
Let's talk more about that right after we take this
break and we're back. Do you guys didn't have anyone
(28:17):
you can set me up with while I'm here they're
in Los Angeles. Yeah, I want if you're trying to
adopt a child, then you need a husband. Yeah, if
you have a ten year old you're trying to adopt,
we know a number of very wealthy Guttenberg types, perfect
love to. My other favorite line in the movie was
when Cursy was like, wow, you're so rich, Like you
must be amazing, and these and the guys like it
(28:38):
was just dumb luck getting rich. I only invented cellphones?
Is that what he says he invented that's like a
brilliant and like kind of society changing invention that. But
I did see that. I'm like, oh, he's humble, Like
he's like, I stole the idea from Star Trek and
now I'm a billion um. Start checking invented cell phones.
(28:59):
The main country the way for me was Melissa's cannopy bed.
That's the bed I have always wanted and still want. Yes,
But also my favorite part of the movie was when
they stopped the wedding and like Clarius is mortified and
she goes to hit in front of thousand people. She
goes to hit the kid and then like, but I
was like, if you hit that kid, I'll punch you. Yeah.
He's like I will beat the ship out of it.
(29:20):
And then we're and then we're like wow, Butler like
go off incredible, and then she walks down the aisle
and threatens to hit the second kid and says back off,
Barbie right right. My friend thought that the funniest line
of all times so many times. And then she's like,
I've never been more humiliated in my life. And then
(29:40):
one of the kids goes want a bed and then
rips her skirt off. She has to run away with
I mean, like, we mean you do feel bad for
her when sure, but he says, no, I love the
idea of just anytime you're humiliating, humiliated, yelling I've never
been related in my entire life at the top of
(30:02):
your lungs. So wait to go back to what we
were touching on a little bit. Ago is like, there's
this idea that's in this movie. It's in the Lindsay
Lohan Parent Trap, but it's this idea that like a
kid needs a mother and a father's nuclear the mother,
a father and one gay butler who's canotically straight, because
(30:27):
like Amanda wants Diane to adopt her, and like Diane again,
the ethics of this is crazy. When she's like, yeah,
I want to adopt you too. Yes, I run an
orphanage full of many other children who need adopted, but
you're the one that I like the best. And then
what she continues living in the orphanage like right, yeah,
I was. I mean, it's just like very like all
(30:48):
these movies are so like they're like, well, a single
parent could not possibly do this, So like, well, you know,
you have to do like a series of high jinks
and throw Steve Gutenberg in a river and hope he
falls in love, and like there has to be a
food fight so that you can have your straight parents
in in a golden telescope, which I do. Yeah, because
(31:10):
at one point the dad, the Steve Gutenberg character, Oh no,
I'm falling apart. Are You're starting to sound like Katherine's
exactly similar. He says to Alyssa, He's like, Clarius and
I are getting married. You're going to finally have a
(31:30):
real family. She's going to be your new mother. So
it's like, you know, there's no such thing as a
real family unless there's a head row mom and a
head or a dad. They're married together. And then Diane,
earlier than that, even says to Amanda, you deserve a
mother and a father. And then Amanda's like, so get
a husband, and she's like, I don't know how I
haven't met Steve, And I said, have you checked out CarMax,
(32:00):
Oh yeah, I mean, like I think we talked a
little bit. Because we've done a bonus episode on the
Lindsay Lohan Parent Trap. We had this discussion a little bit,
but yeah, it's like these like children's movies are perpetuating
this like heteronormative nuclear family unit that has to exist
or else like it's not a quote real family, or
(32:22):
that there's like something missing or that issue. Right. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's just very nice. That was the nineties. Yeah,
like there's I can't think of any movie that like
really in the nineties that would like challenge this at all.
But it is weird that there was like a trend
of movies that it was like people striving for a
nuclear unit at all costs, and there's always like a
rich blonde lady who gets I personally, she gets gum
(32:45):
in her hair in this one, but I prefer the
lizard in the mouth. That's such a good scene. The
nuclear Yeah. I was also thinking of like Mrs doubt Fire,
Like the nineties were about having two parents. They're about
ruffles with onion dep there were about the bucket hats
with a big sunflower. They were about twins. They were
about right down to the cores like commercials, and now
(33:05):
there's more twins ever, and then all the double mins,
more commercials who are Sproustill the nineties, we had Tia Tomorrow,
we had Dalson's we had and he were there. Boy
twins Zack and Cody, Yeah that was were there? Other
boy twins were they? Who were the kids who played
(33:26):
Ross's son and friends? Those who were this So we're
once again hitting on the Sprouses, the codes. The Rosses
kids are all two people. They're all two people. Oh God,
did y'all want twin with twin when you're up? Kind of?
I really wanted to. I was dying for a twin
that was dead, for twin slaughtered the media representation. Okay,
(33:49):
well this leads me kill my brother if it meant
I would have got the twins because the media representation
of twins made it seem so cool and so fun
because they always go on these like high James had
been trus together. It's necessarily a negative media was just
prominent thing trends on The Bachelor a few years ago.
But one of the main the big thing I noticed
(34:10):
about this movie. Here's my main problem with it, because
it's is it the child acting? Well, that is a
very big thing. So it's a movie starring two little girls,
and yet it still has to end in a hetero
adult wedding, because I was thinking about, like, okay, think
about movies that star mostly little boys. You know, you've
got your goonies, you've got your stand lots, Mighty Ducks,
(34:33):
any like little boys sports movie basically, and then like
stand by Me, it's like boys getting to go on
adventures and like having a ragtag time. But movies that
star little girls, the trend is, well, I can't even
think of that many aside from like this whole slew
of I think, oh Harry, but like as far as
(34:56):
like an ensemble cast of like a bunch of little girls, like,
I can't think of hardly any I are never forget
what flipping on my TV and seeing now and then
and my mind being completely blow Oh my god, oh
my god, it's you know, yeah, I've seen it. I've
never seen anything like this. I can't believe there are
these little girls talking about like wanting boobs and like
(35:18):
flirting and boys, and like it was the most I
was like, why aren't there more? I've never seen anything
like this in my life or something like that. But yeah,
the point is like there's no there's so few movies
about like little girls just being little girls, and if
there is a movie where there are like a couple
of girls, it's usually about them orchestrating this like crazy
love story for adults. I think there are some exceptions
(35:42):
to that rule, but it was I mean, just like
the whole wedding aspect of this seems like, I don't
know there was a more fun movie where that wasn't
so prominent as much as I love an extended stop
the wedding sequence, and they really go for it here.
There's horses, there's helicopters, there's abandoned adopted children go off.
(36:02):
But going back really quickly to like how movies that
feature like little boys versus movies that feature little girls, Like,
guess what I never did as a little girl. I
never tried to get two adults to fuck. What I
did do is I went to school, I played soccer,
(36:24):
I played on jungle gyms, I was in girl Scouts,
like I climbed trees. I like, did all this stuff
that like you see little boys get to do in movies.
I feel like I did. Want. I think that it
was as a result of watching movies like this where
I'm like, oh, who are too adults in my life?
Who I could try to convince the fall. But it
was a direct result of like I didn't come up
with that on my own anymore than like I came
(36:46):
up with like wanting to play Harry at the Spy
on my own, or like wanting to play like any movie.
Starting a little girl just became a game of like
we're just playing that, We're just re enacting it for
as you know, I'm an in. And well, that's the
other thing about like all these movies that are targeted
that have like big theatrical releases that are targeted to
little girls, they're usually about like teens or adults falling
(37:10):
in love. Like if we're looking at like the movies
like when I was growing up or were like the
Disney Renaissance movies where You've got you know, your beauty
and the Beasts and Aladdin's and Little Mermaids, and it's
like all these movies about romance. And then the movies
targeted towards little boys, you know, they're like adventurers and
they're going on, they're gonna go find a dead body,
or they're gonna go find the treasure. They're gonna they're
(37:32):
gonna go find a sand lot so I just like,
I hate that that And we say this all the time,
but movies that are targeted towards children have to be
especially careful with their content and their messages and all
that stuff, because you know, their brains are little sponges
and they just like take whatever they see as like
(37:54):
absolute truth. So I mean, it's no wonder that, like,
at least like my generation of like kids growing up
into the adults, we are now being fed the movies
that we were made me all fucked up, sucked up
in your head. Yeah, I'm so boy crazy. Oh my god,
I'm exhausted. That's all I think about. I was telling you,
(38:15):
I don't know yet. Fortunately, this movie was not particularly successful.
It did not, which I think is maybe why the
parent Trap was so comfortable lifting so much material from it.
It did not do very well in theaters, which is
why Mary Kaye nashurally were trapped on television for the
next ten years. I didn't didn't do everything I would
have assumed it did. No, it only made like million
(38:37):
backs a lot. We have a lot of money. Well,
when you fucking invent a cell phone that's like pocket chain,
I do want to draw some of the comparisons between
both It Takes Two in the parent trap, and let's
(38:59):
throw the Princess in there too, because that's basically also
the same exact movie my lover who broke up with
me after asking me to be his girlfriend four days before.
Oh sorry, just mix about me. We have to side
part talking about and we did another Matreon bonus episode
(39:19):
about that movie, so everyone should sign up for Matrion
and listen to it anyway. Okay, so the parallels. We've
got summer Camp being a huge plot point. We've got
a dad living in a huge house in the countryside butler,
the one who is posh has a butler. Friend. Of
the two girls, we've got an evil stepmother lady who
(39:40):
is blonde and mean. And then the parallels between It
Takes Two and the Princess, which are that one of
them can play the piano and one of them can't,
and the one who can't play piano is forced into
a situation where she has to play the piano, and
the same thing with horse riding, where one of them
knows how to horse ride the other one doesn't. I
(40:00):
know this, yeah, totally, yeah, but I mean I guess
at least Amanda plays like football pla. Yeah, okay, do
you remember the stylist character who I think is in
like one scene he's like, this movie, you're like very
(40:23):
standard queer coded stylist character that you see in like
all of these movies. He said something like, I'm a hairdresser,
not a zoo keeper, which is hilarious thing. There's no
Paulo putin Esca. But he'll do the one moment where
I felt, I mean, I feel bad for any of
these stepmother characters that don't exist in real life, just
(40:45):
because they're so like hertial cartoon. But when they do
make the choice to bring in her father, who negs
the funk out of her. The second she's about to
he's like, wow, my first daughter is also the last
to get married. Interesting, and then just slides out of
and we're like, what who is that for? All of
those evil stepmother characters in these movies are so underwritten
(41:07):
and so poorly developed. It I just thought it was
I thought it was weird that the only is like
the only part of her they chose to develop was like, Oh,
but don't worry, she has severe daddy issues up there. Interesting.
We got to take another quick break but we'll be
right back and we're back. Yes, I talked. Yes. Also
(41:32):
on the child acting, this this movie made me actually
really appreciate the talent of Market and Nash Wilson because
they were the only take. They were literally the only
kids in the movie that were even slightly off buck
like everything. Every other kid was like truly reading cute cards.
The thing that the thing that like legitimately bothered me
about this movie as much as it's like we've talked
about like the wedding movies ending in the wedding is,
(41:54):
you know, exhausted and in ninety is probably like peak
even though it's still happened, But the way adoption was
like made to look and this movie really bugged me.
But I think it's because I, like I grew up
around a lot of kids who were adopted or were
like in the system, and the way that I don't know,
just like this movie makes it look so goofy and
(42:16):
almost like it's the kid's fault, like especially in the
in the Junkyard situation, where all the kids that are
not like this wealthy little girl and like Steve Gutenberg's
daughter are made to seem like antagonistic and mean and
like asking for it that they're being treated so horribly
and all the orphans like at the orphanage is a
(42:37):
little different, but that's like not even how the adoption
system works anymore. Like why are we still being like, oh,
the New York City Orphanage, Like that's not how the
systems were. I don't know. It just logged me. Even
with the old Stan it's like, if you could only
just wear a dress like you would be adopted, but
you you're presenting is too tomboyish, so that's why no
one likes you. And there's also no like arc where
(42:59):
it's like, oh, like she can't she be herself and
get adopted. It's like no, you actually couldn't have. But
thank God for you, Like I'm marrying a rich guy
and now you don't need to be adopted, right Yeah, yeah,
that I don't know. That was like the one thing
that really did. I was just like, oh, that's like
irresponsible and like there was a way to write that
storyline that didn't need to be that way, but it
(43:19):
was just yeah, I don't know. Does anyone have any
other thoughts about the movie? The Masterpiece? It takes two. Wait,
I think we need to talk a little bit more
about like what the Olsen Twins mean to us. I
suppose the Olsen Twins don't mean that much to me. Um,
they weren't. They just weren't a part of my media
consumption as a as a kid. When I was this age,
(43:43):
I was watching Back to the Future every day of
my life. Oh my god. Yeah, I was like I
was watching those problematic eighties movies that were like a
little too old for me to be watching. I was
like Back to the Future and like Indiana Jones were
my go twos. So I was watching these like boy
centric movies because I didn't like what was available I mean,
(44:05):
and then like also all those Disney movies. But I
just didn't like a lot of what was available to me,
like the like girly movies, I suppose, which probably because
they were all about like, hey, let's make sure these
adults fuck and that's my main goal. Like why couldn't
there have been a movie about two girls who meet
each other, whether or not they look exactly alike or not,
(44:27):
like whatever, but it helps can it not be about
something like why does it automatically have to be about
like trying to get a romance? To happen because it's like, well,
they're too young to try to find boys themselves. But
that's not also, not to be fair, that's not every
Mary Kit naturally joint. Sure, they do a lot of
different they do variation on like three different plots. Sometimes
(44:51):
they're trying to find a parent love. Other times they're
like solving a mystery. Like they do a lot of stuff,
but they always have a love interest in their films. Yes, yeah,
and I mean I guess there is I mean even
and like Passport to pairs like together, that's like the
that's their first on screen kiss. Oh my waits was
the twins first on screen kiss and they were eleven.
(45:12):
This is what my brain is telling. And then one
of the one of the French guys. Maybe this is
why I keep getting adiction to people who don't live
in the same country as me. But one of the guys,
like she meets him and he's imitating her and he goes,
oh my god, oh my god, remember that her. Oh
I feel completely their twelve in that movie. That's why, well,
I remember that so clear. We also talked by the
(45:34):
cultural moment where it was like two four and there
was like online and there was like websites where you
could go to see a countdown clock. My older cousin
was all about that. He was into the It was disgusting.
Anyone who's into that clock is gay. I had that
(45:54):
having so much as by for a cousin and his
wife and they're two beautiful twin girls. That's a big Also,
he's like tortured inside and it's in Massachusetts married. Can
I just say one thing about the countdown of like
the Twins team, Like, there's this huge problem that's happening
(46:14):
right now and probably has been happening since the dawn
of time, where like men in whatever capacity and industry
and all that are like grooming underage problem to like
whenever they become legal in turn eighteen, so they're like
ready to trap in basically. But it's like one word,
(46:35):
one word, Brittany, It's that's happening right now. I get
her name, but um, the actors who plays eleven on
Stranger Things, Oh, she's majorly getting that treatment of like
she's thirteen, but like let's start to get her sexy now.
It makes me puke. So that's I mean, the only
and the only boy I can think of that received
(46:55):
that treatment was Justin Bieber. I do remember there being
a clock element to the Justin Bieber canon. Yes. Um. Anyway, hey,
does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yes, it does.
Amanda and Alyssa talk to each other a lot. Amanda
and Diane talk about finding her a new family. A listen,
(47:18):
Clarice talk to each other a bit. Um. Yeah, there's
a lot of different combos and situations. It's a feminist text.
It's a feminist text. You bet you. Actually, while we're watching,
Pat turns to me and goes, I think this movie
is good for women. Yeah what moment because one of
them played baseball. Yeah. Yeah, if a girl plays baseball
(47:39):
and a movie, it is good for women and all
of its flaws must be forgiven immediately. Well, let's rate
the movie, speaking of deciding if it's good for women
or not, rated on our nipple scale zero to five
nipples based on its portrayal and representation of women. I
don't know. It's so hard with these kids movies that
(48:01):
have to be well, they don't have to be, but
this era, they're so cartoonish that it's kind of hard
to even evaluate them for anything because they're so cartoon
but you're saying you think that they should be helped
to hire standard still because kids movies these days. Yeah,
so I mean these kids, they were condescending, and they
(48:27):
helped perpetuate these like would end up being harmful ideas
that like a kid needs a mother and father if
they're going to turn out. Okay, the movie was bad
for gays, that's okay. I forget almost every movie goodet
there it was good forett. Yeah, I would get women. Actually, no,
(48:48):
because they have to get married or they can't have
a child. That's actually horrible for them. Yeah, I would
give it too out of I think that's where I
would give its five nibbles. Really feminist, it's like Mowana
level feminism. I don't watch kids movies because they are
boring to me. I watched them. Paddington is my favorite movie.
(49:09):
People are all piped up on that and not there.
I guess I'll watch it. I can't watch anything really
because I have anxiety and I start thinking about myself
too much. It's actually a disease. Um I would I
guess two nips or even one nip. It's like it's
not helpful. It's not helpful. Yeah, it's I mean it's good.
I guess it's good for like little girls who can
be like, oh look, they're like, you know, doing a thing.
(49:29):
But I mean, at the end of the day, I'm
gonna do Yeah, I'll do like even one. And it
sucks because it's like, you know, I guess if we're
breaking it down, like women are on screen the majority
of the time, but like there's it's just like it's
so nineties and it's like ideology and what it's pushing.
Like I wouldn't show this movie to a kid. It
seems counterproductive, right, Yeah, I think I'm kids one nipple, right,
(49:54):
because it's like no little girl has ever done this
to the to the extent where they're like fucking riding
horse is and like trying like orchestrating these like very
complicated meat cutes, like that's not anything a little girl does.
But because like at least two movies are about this, yeah,
and one is way better, is a masterpiece, and the
other this one is boring. Yeah. The thing he addressed
(50:16):
that they she has this refrain of I want that,
can't eat, can't sleep, knocking out of the park, and
that is the most damaging thing A little girl can
hear because you think if someone treats you bad it
makes you feel bad, then they're to love your life
and you must chase after that, and that that the
pining of them is what is romantic, and that has
actually ruined my life. So excuse you all, I levitate
off my chair and go through the ceiling. I also
(50:39):
want to say that it's crazy that we both remember
the food it's seen, but neither of us remembered that
Kirsty Alley's character starts the food. Yes, I'm like you
talking about that your camp. I'm taking this honestly progressive. Yeah,
she starts to her own camp. No, someone's to clean it.
Someone she pays is gonna have to clean the food,
or she will have to do it because she's like
(51:00):
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a movie perhaps, has two female identifying characters with names,
they must speak to each other, and their conversation connot
be about and yeah, do you think it'd be easy button?
Most movies, a lot of them don't, anyway, So we
(01:05):
use that as a as a way to kick off
a conversation about women in movies, and we're gonna do
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every fucking time. Over too funny, Jesus. Okay, So today
we're featuring an iconic duo that we've never featured on
this show before, and so it only seemed fitting that
(01:26):
we bring in an iconic duo to cover it with us. Yes, yes,
so without much further ado. Their panic, they're they're holding hands. Um.
They are comedians and they are the host of the
Seek Treatment podcasts on the Forever Dog Network. It's Katherine
Cohen and Pat Reagan. Oh my god, please only talking
(01:52):
union the entire episode? Can I say? That's on? One
day we were chatting with Catherine's abroad lover Sure Broad remember,
but we were both face timing him, and I brought
into apartment. She was facing him, so I started talking
and he was like, Hey, you guys talk alike. He's like,
(02:12):
you talk how she does. So you're reeling very strong.
I think I have a guess, fresh mat it. If
I tried to do like Australian accent, it comes out
as Japanese. I tried to do a British accent. It
comes out as Midwestern, like I trying to do any accent.
Besides like British or Southern. It sounds like a sim
(02:33):
like scorging dort. Wait, you guys have never had to
do it before. No, oh no we did. We had
one for Debs. We had a duo for Black Panther
was also there was a duo actually just made the
South or fifth time. But did you say that you
(02:53):
wanted to hear that. I wanted to hear the ones
that we've brought in that iconic to her. But you
know what, No, you're the first. Canonically you're the first
will reverse all the numbers and time. What's so crazy
about time is that we though we experience it literally, Um,
that's not how it exists. It's actually cyplical it Why
is it so long? Time? I'm trying to move through
(03:14):
some pain I'm experiencing, and it woc It's insane. I
feel like I've been alive for a million years and
I time I so long. But also what talks by
this time is also so short, Like I'll be I'll
be kind of lying. They're looking at the ceiling all
the time. I'm not even getting it sixteen hours later
looking at me. Sometimes the day starts and we're like,
(03:34):
it's already three. But thank you guys for having us
as the point. Oh my god, you're so welcome. So
we're talking to you about the movie. It takes two.
What is the both of your history your relationship with
this it's American American actually big screen Steve Guttenberg, Wetton shirtless,
(03:58):
Curciale halez new I have we have one question before
we started, and we're gonna ask you guys this question,
and you need answer honestly, and I don't look it up.
How old do you think Ali is today? Right now?
So I can answer? But isn't it crazy? I don't know.
Can I guess yes today today as we sit in
(04:19):
this podcast studio, I would guess sixty three sixty eight years.
That's more what I thought. But she didn't start doing
like acting until she was like thirty. For me, broke
am No, I would like to say, to bring it
(04:39):
back to the point of the podcast. Um, thank you
so much. It takes two. Now, Mary Kate and asturally
raised me there, raised you to an extent. Yeah, okay,
not only did they raised me, they invented me. Okay,
Holiday in the Sun, Passport to Paris. I thought, when
I go on a vacation, I'm going to get kissed.
It wouldn't be years later, ten years even before I
did get kissed upon first to Paris. But I come
(05:01):
to it takes two and this is sort of this
was in theaters. Am I right? Yes? Se Gutenberg, who
invented the print press, who invented jeans. She's like, I
picture her like, she's amazing hair. She invented a certain
kind of hair. She has credit for the most specific
(05:21):
mom hairstyle. Beautiful. My experience on the movie is that
it taught me that I like sloppy Joes. So you
grew up with this movie, Katherine, you saw it a
bunch kind of thing. Okay, Pat, what about you? My
relationship was I, like, I like one best friend. Growing up.
We would have severatch movies and we would watch like
Roman Mitchell's High School Union, or like It Takes Two
(05:42):
recent episode of Ours. Yeah, totally great film. That movie. Literally,
it's what I watched when I want a quite comedy.
Every single day I Watvie. So I watched that movie
every single day. But that is such a specific vibe
movie when you're just ready to quit. Yeah, but so
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we loved it Takes two. For some reason, I remember
going to Blockbuster and getting it. There's just certain lines
of it that I've always remembered, Like I've always remembered
the part where the social workers going taking took away
one of them and she runs into the office and
they're like, what do you want us to do? Lie
down in front of the van, and she's like, I
would have actually the funk down. Um, you have a
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crush on that adoption guy. I have a crushed on
the main guy. I have a crush on the camp
like Jim Teacher or whatever. And I have a crush
on the abusive adoptive. It was. I wrote that down
and then I looked I looked him up. I was like, oh,
he was young when he did that. He's like twenty
five years old. And that I was like, hello, you called,
I said, I was like, he's really young. I also
was like the butt kisses the couple Like, I was
(06:47):
like they you can tell that couple was like that,
that duo just like it was a cracking up the
crew on set and I got back the photo and like, oh,
this isn't that great? But whatever? Um? But I was
of love like Maryka and actually like obviously watchful hospital.
Then I watched like um on ABC Family there was
Little Time No not that was but adventures no adventures,
(07:12):
no no, no no, no stops up to be kind
to so many shots because there was the Adventures of
Mary Kay and Nashally too. What's that that was? Like?
That might have been like a video we Save any
Crime by Dinner Time? Yes, yes that was, yes, the
Haunted episode where the beekeepers, Oh my god, an incredible episodes. Second,
but I always remember a moment in an episode of
(07:33):
was what you just said? So Little Time where one
of them gets addicted to massages at the coffee She
can't stop getting massages. That's me, Like six, I got
a massage in public at Bonaru thank you, and I
was like, this is turned bad to get fully massage
will laying done in public? It's something you shouldn't. You've
(07:54):
gone all the way up to the line. I don't
like massages. Professional were like they were they think it's
like they hurt, but yeah, like you and your sex partner,
like if it's like a sex. One of my favorite
kinds of porn is massage porn, That's true. It's a
whole category of gay porn where it's like a guy's
going into a sports massage and like he's just like
(08:14):
a college football player, and then like the guy starts
like paying a lot of attention to the ass in there,
and they like totally not to take a dick up
his ask. But it's perfectly wax. So it takes two.
So Steve Guenberg does look sexy. Oh my god, he's
(08:37):
got a very square mill his shoulders. He looks like
six different people, let's name them the guy from Cone
trying to kids. He also does, I mean hunky, a
little bit like Billy Crystal, like Dennis Quaid, but only
because this movie is the parent Trap. Yeah, it is.
The movie is the parent Trap. And he kind of intector,
saying it's also a Princeton and Paper. It's not. Actually
(08:59):
you've read whatever you know. I believe you need to
for one second get over the fact that I was
an English minor near a book. Jamie. What's your history
with the movie. Um, I saw it when I was
really for some reason, my household was not a Mary
Kate Nashley household. I think my mom did not care
for them. But my best friend Lindsay growing up had
(09:22):
a very Mary Kay Nashurally household. So all my memories
with them are like tied to like hanging out with
her and like we would go I would go over
and we would watch as many as possible before I
would have to go home. So I'm talking the sleepover tapes,
talking the mystery tapes and talking it takes two password
to Paris. Billboard Dad my personal favorite, and this one,
this is not my favorite one, but it's you know,
(09:44):
I love. I think that this is the only one
that was like in theaters like until until New York
minute many years. O loved New York. Jean Levy on
the cover. Also, Jared Palecki is in that movie, and
who is that? To me? He is he is from
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a cultural blind. I'm actually so passionate about this. Dean
isn't hot. I don't think he's hot either, but he
is irrefutably in that movie. We can't take that from him.
I had never seen this movie. I have never seen
any Mary Kate n Ashley Olson movie. Wait what you're
(10:26):
like the perfect? Aren't you like the same? I'm the
I am a month older than them. Are I am
actually the third Olson triplet. I just came out a
month premature. You know, we're like almost the exact same age.
But I don't know. I watched Full House when I
was a kid, but I did not engage in any
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of their film works. But yeah, so I hadn't seen
this movie, but I had seen The Parent Trap a
million times as a kid. But the Parent Trap came
out Lisa Lindsay Lohan one came up three years after
It Takes two, so it's hard to tell how much
this movie was from. But those Parents Shop was based
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on the previous right, so it's hard to say how
much It Takes Two pulled from the original Parent Trap
from like the sixties. What I think happened is they
were like, um, and I was, and I wasn't. There
wasn't in on these meetings, but right. But I think
happened is they were like, this is like the height
of of M K and A. And they were like,
we need a vehicle for these young girls and theaters.
(11:32):
And they were like, well, what can we do? They
are twins. They got a Brooklyn accent, and they got
us from gently British accent. The British accent comes and
goes the party daddy. She's just got good diction and
that's British for her. But I think that like they
were just like wanting to do a twenty thing and
then they're like, well we could do parent trap this stuff,
and they're like then they just cut anything that was
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like difficult plot wise. They're like, let's not make the
actual twin like that, Let's just make the magetical changers.
And like I think they which I've seen that documentary
Three Identical Strangers and it turns out that they were triplets,
they were biologically related. It's so crazy that they're just like, yeah,
they just happened to look exactly alike. I thought that
was really funny. That was like my favorite like weird,
(12:16):
confusing plot thing in this movie was that they look
like I rewound it to be like, wait a second,
is there a moment where like the parents like what
sisteresn't you know? The thing tween? Like, oh my god,
and so good. But also I love Kirstie's reaction when
the butler comes and she like finds out that they're
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looking exactly like and she's just like that's amazing. Is
it amazing. I don't know, he's a social worker, like you,
like it seems like you would be the person to
be looking into this. She's you know, she's not particular.
I mean she I guess she's sort of good at
her job. She spends a lot of your time at camp.
She has good at her job because she's trying to adopt,
Like what are the ethics of her trying to adopt
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only a single one of these kids that she It's
messed up. It is gosh, it is I like that
part though in Kirsty, I mean we can we can
hit it. In the there's a part where she's in
this like Stevie next Black Billowy things. She's walking through
the woods. She's like, do I love Steve Gutenberg or not?
That was my favorite. Her clothes are so big, Yeah,
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so big. There. I feel like there's like this whole
narrative with like Kirsty Alley's like body where like when
she's in her forties, because she's in her forties in
this movie, and there's like, you know how like Kirsty
Alley she was representative for like Jenny Craig forever and
actress and like everyone gave her ship about her weight forever,
and I think this is around the time where that starts,
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because the way she's cost him just like kind of
bizarre sometimes where she's like put in these like billowy
boxy like you're you're not really supposed to be seeing
your body, I don't know, a cinched waist on cheers,
like like shoulder pads and cinched waist. And then yeah,
she was this the polar opposite direction. But I think
that like there was like one scene where she was
(14:02):
like the high waisted jean. Yes, was that the food
food fight scene? No, because she's wearing like a really
like size. Yeah. Yeah, it's like she's a kittie. She's
a camp to have some fun. Were you so many
sweaters at cantel summer? It's summer? Just kiss me off.
In movies where there's kids at camp, they're always wearing
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like flannels. I'm like, it's hot. They probably shot it
in November. They're like, it's some stop romanticizing flannel. Okay,
So I'll do the recap really quickly of this story
and then we'll get into the discussion. Okay, So we
meet this little girl named Amanda. She's a tomboy. She's
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playing baby I'm Walking and she lives at like an
orphanage of sorts. And then Diane, which is Kirsty's character,
is trying to help find a family to adopt her.
So that's her exposition. But I think it's interesting that
she has to interview, like it's a job, got to
come to your interview for your parents. But I'm just
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surprised that they make orphans interview for that. I also
like the like, right off the bat, she leans out
the window and immediately like threatens one of the sweet
little girl. She's like, I'm gonna kill you. You're gonna
get into the k I said, I'll kill you if
you were dressed to play ball. And then the Brooklyn
twent is like which they live in the East Side
(15:27):
of Manhattan. They re beall but like they is like what,
I ain't gonna hurt it or nothing. She's scrappy. She's
very scrappy. But in direct contrast to scrappy Amanda, there's
Alissa Callaway who looks the exact same as Amanda, but
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she's a different person and she's rich and she plays
the piano and she gets off this private jet. She's
sort of British, even though her parents is not British
and she doesn't live in England. She has this weird
like ash like, I still love hats. I feel like
the personality is it's like it's like and this is
a classic Alson twin device. It's like it's like a
(16:07):
brim hat with the front from like bent up in
the Sunflower on it classics twins. They also the backwards
baseball cat depending on what their characters, Calton is always
well back on, like two sisters are a polar like
they were. One loves sports, but one love's fashion. One's
more like a boy and one's more like well, Mary
(16:28):
kid's always a sporty one, right, and then Ashley is
always like more fim, I never pay attention to who
to who plays, which, well, that's true and you should
be for some reason that it's very important to me.
I missed the Olsen Twins, like we were saying, I
just had this. We just had this conversation where I
was doing them frantics. We were like, are they like,
how are they doing that? Are they doing well? And
I said, it's the kind of thing where it's like
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it does it don't seems like they're not doing well.
But if you say that, if you ever like say
something about the Olden Twins, the other persons like they're
actually doing amazing. So what are you finding about? Okay,
So are like they have a bunch of like fashion lines. Yeah,
but that's what everyone says. They're like, well, they're doing
fashion now. And then their other sister who looks also
(17:10):
exactly like them. Yeah, yeah, and she's in like the
Avengers movies. I want some movie where she was. It's
called Liberal Arts with Ted mose B from How Your
Mother Seen It. Okay, so back to the story. So
there are these two girls who look identical, but you
know they come from different walks of life. And then
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Alyssa meets she like meets up with her father, who
Steve Goods, does not show up to Alyssa's private jet,
very rude. The butler shows up to the private jet, right,
but there's no handshake like in right but a butler
kind of raising a child. And I think, like this
whole movie makes if I'm ever rich, God for bed,
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I want to be like the kind of rich people
are in like mid nineties movies, or you for sure
have like a house of like kind of like servants
that are just like walking on with potters butlers. We
need platters, we need a circular tiveway, we need like
indoor pool. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get legally married
to like the bitchy woman who's like the stepmom and
(18:14):
all these movies, Like I'm going to have that white
for sure in this movie. Her name is Clarisse Kensington Larise.
So Elyssa meets her and she's like, who's this woman?
She's engaged to Steve Guttenberg's character, but she doesn't know
that yet. How do we think they met? Yeah, they
do not say they only met like a fundraising event.
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Because she says, this is where I feel like the
it does a little better than the parent Trap because
she's like she's supposed to be like a climbing socialite
or whatever. But then Meredith and the parent Trap has
a job and is super successful, but it's just like
trying to marry him anyways. I was like, but it
seems like you're fine anyways, lady. I mean, she's just
kind of like she's like a socialite cartoon right something.
(18:59):
These characters are ever well, doesn't got the big shells.
I do think she looks stunning. In the engagement party scene,
she's wearing the green dress like her like necklace and
earrings are really nice. I was like, howd romantic feeling
stars Jewish friend comes up and I'm like, that's me.
I did book that role. So Alyssa gets upset that
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Clarissa is so mean, and she finds out that she's
getting married to her father, so she's like, I'm running away. Meanwhile,
Amanda is going to summer camp on the same lake
that this like giant estate where Listen now lives, and
like Steve Guttenberg's dead wife started the camp. We never
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learned her name, We never learned anything except died. During
child person the scene because they were yelling over the
cafeteria and he's like, my wife died. Alyssa was born,
and I was like, my daughter killed my wife. That
scene is so wild, like the way that's delivered, because
(20:07):
after he said, he's like, she died giving birth to Alyssa,
and Kirsty Alli just like wins this and it's like,
oh sorry, and then they continue the the whole point
of that. It's like for Kirsty Ally's characters in her
head was like, oh your single. Yeah, it's like a
weird flirty moment of learning that someone's wife has been
(20:27):
dead for ten years. Perhaps they're single. Oh god, Okay.
So then so Amanda is with like all of her
camp friends and they dare her to ring the doorbell
of this huge house because they're like, it's haunted, so
like ring the doorbell. So she does, and then Vincenzo
the butler, opens the door and he sees Amanda and
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thinks it's Alyssa because again they are identical strangers, so
he brings her butler. And then Diane finds Alyssa, who
would run away to like a hundred yards away. Uh.
So she's like, hey, Amanda, and then she brings Alyssa
thinking it's Amanda back to the camp and there's a
(21:09):
football game that makes Alyssa run back into the woods
just as Amanda is running away from the house. And
then then they bump into each other strangers again. Yes,
so there's like an extra step that doesn't need to
be there. They could have just like yeah. But then
I feel like the movie seemed like an end of Votus,
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you know. I was like, oh, they had to shut
this out, so they decide to switch places. And why
do they decide to switch places? So Amanda is going
to pretend to be Alyssa because she's so good at
scaring off parents because she's an orphan and no one
wants to adopt her. Got it? But then it's not
clear why Alyssa wants to go to the camp and
(21:50):
pretend to be Amanda. Yeah, I think it's kind of
like a grass is always creen no situation because they
did set up a lot, like neither of them are
like happy in their lives and like one it's always
like I want. I think that they were both like
like the one wanted like parents and the other one
was like, oh my god, it's really it's like what's
it like to have friends? So when they reunite the
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next day, Amanda is like Clarice has gone, but only
for a week. And then Alyssa's like ship like too bad,
Diane can't be my mom because they had like bonded
with each other. So they get the idea and all
of her It's like the Chessie of this. I like
the Chessie gets to really shine and it gets to
be the romantic interest finally, right mid forties romantically, Chris
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comes through, so then they get the idea to have
Diane try to meet Steve Guttenberg in the hopes that
they will fall in love. So they orchestrate this whole
like horse riding encounter. Steveberg's horse outfit is off the
chart is a quest tree and where the gloves don't
(23:02):
forget the moment where he is writing with one of
the girls. I don't remember which one it is, but
he says something like he asks her a question and
then she responds with are you asking me in a questrian?
It's meant to be a play on words, but it's
we have the l I guess it's an attempted a joke.
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He did look so hot in his like writing off
when he was I was like cool. I think this
movie is actually really cool. So so Diane and Steve
Gutenberg's character, which do we know his name? Roger Rogers
actually Steenberg. So Diana and Roger and me and Steve
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do you Steve Guenberg's character take closer to be your wife?
Steve Guenberg also even years younger than Kirstiality radical. I
love that this movie is political. Okay, So so Roger
and Diane. They meet and the sparks are flying. They
(24:13):
are very interested in rebbed up from riding those fucking horses. Yeah,
there's one is coming. She's bouncing everything I'm about. There's
a lot of there's like a lot of chemistry between
(24:35):
them too. I was like, because usually with these movies,
you're just like, yeah, that was no way. But I
was like, man, I could, I could. I would watch
the Yeah, oh my god, I'm so horny lately. So
then they hang out at camp a little bit. There's
this big food fight. They almost kiss, but then they
get interrupted. Is it usually happens because they can't kiss?
(24:57):
Oh my god? But no, isn't that scene interrupted by
the loose golden telescope? Well, yeah, the canoes fall over
because that's where the two girls are hiding, but Vincenzo
is actively spying on him and the golden tell us Yeah,
but then he leaves the room and then Clarice comes
back like way early and then looks into the telescope
(25:19):
and sees them flirting. So then she's like, fuck, let's
got a wedding. The golden telescope is my new favorite
plot device. I wanted to be in every movie because
that cuts off him watching through the Golden telescope. I
like panicked in my hand because he's saying as he's
watching through the telescope at Kirsty Alley and Steve Guttenberg
(25:40):
flirting a whole lake away. So it's like, it's a
it's a nice telescope. They're very wealthy, uh, And he goes,
that's more like it. And then he turns and faith
and then and then she looks in the sheet and
then she sees, yeah, so that's why she's like, I
gotta bump up this wedding, gotta trap this man a sap.
And then she's trying to send Amanda, who she thinks
(26:02):
is Alyssa, away to boarding school. And while that's all happening, Alyssa,
who the can't people think is Amanda is being adopted
by that lame couple from the beginning who basically just
like put her to work into a junkyard, which is
like I thought that was like unnecessarily like real, they're
just like, oh yeah, and let's also like shed some
(26:23):
light on the harsh adoptive practices. And I was like,
this is not the movie to be but it's like
a bunch of kids and like they're working in a scrapyard. Yeah,
and Kirsty comes and she's like, I'm going to report
your social services after I get my man. And they
made the kids seem so mean and on the adoptive
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father's side and they're just like you think you're richy
fucking idiot, and the rich kid is saved and all
the poor kids stuck in the adoptive system are left
to right. It's like, wow, really inspiring message. Good job.
But then yeah, Diane goes to rescue Alyssa and then mean, yeah,
Amanda's stalling the wedding, and then the two of them
(27:07):
are there because it takes two baby to stop the wedding,
which works, and then Roger ends up with Diane and
then they finally get to kiss, and then I guess
they're all together as a family because Diana adopts Amanda.
Is that what happen? Also a line in the beginning
of the movie where like the poor one was like,
(27:28):
won't you just stop me, Diana? And I was like,
you know that they won't let me adopt you because
on my salary, plus I don't have a husband. That
I did not catch that that is like one of
the wilder, more like points that comes up multiple points
in the movie. And there's even one point where she's
trying to adopt Amanda and then they're like they laughed
(27:50):
at me because I don't have a husband, and he
was just like this is and then you're and then
I'm like, maybe I knew she likes Steve Gutenberg, but
he could be a means to an end to get
her to be able to adopt this, because yeah, I
think that was also a point, was like, now it
could be a family because I have a husband who's
ritch and they'll let me adopt you, and he's so bleak.
Let's talk more about that right after we take this
break and we're back. Do you guys didn't have anyone
(28:17):
you can set me up with while I'm here they're
in Los Angeles. Yeah, I want if you're trying to
adopt a child, then you need a husband. Yeah, if
you have a ten year old you're trying to adopt,
we know a number of very wealthy Guttenberg types, perfect
love to. My other favorite line in the movie was
when Cursy was like, wow, you're so rich, Like you
must be amazing, and these and the guys like it
(28:38):
was just dumb luck getting rich. I only invented cellphones?
Is that what he says he invented that's like a
brilliant and like kind of society changing invention that. But
I did see that. I'm like, oh, he's humble, Like
he's like, I stole the idea from Star Trek and
now I'm a billion um. Start checking invented cell phones.
(28:59):
The main country the way for me was Melissa's cannopy bed.
That's the bed I have always wanted and still want. Yes,
But also my favorite part of the movie was when
they stopped the wedding and like Clarius is mortified and
she goes to hit in front of thousand people. She
goes to hit the kid and then like, but I
was like, if you hit that kid, I'll punch you. Yeah.
He's like I will beat the ship out of it.
(29:20):
And then we're and then we're like wow, Butler like
go off incredible, and then she walks down the aisle
and threatens to hit the second kid and says back off,
Barbie right right. My friend thought that the funniest line
of all times so many times. And then she's like,
I've never been more humiliated in my life. And then
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one of the kids goes want a bed and then
rips her skirt off. She has to run away with
I mean, like, we mean you do feel bad for
her when sure, but he says, no, I love the
idea of just anytime you're humiliating, humiliated, yelling I've never
been related in my entire life at the top of
(30:02):
your lungs. So wait to go back to what we
were touching on a little bit. Ago is like, there's
this idea that's in this movie. It's in the Lindsay
Lohan Parent Trap, but it's this idea that like a
kid needs a mother and a father's nuclear the mother,
a father and one gay butler who's canotically straight, because
(30:27):
like Amanda wants Diane to adopt her, and like Diane again,
the ethics of this is crazy. When she's like, yeah,
I want to adopt you too. Yes, I run an
orphanage full of many other children who need adopted, but
you're the one that I like the best. And then
what she continues living in the orphanage like right, yeah,
I was. I mean, it's just like very like all
(30:48):
these movies are so like they're like, well, a single
parent could not possibly do this, So like, well, you know,
you have to do like a series of high jinks
and throw Steve Gutenberg in a river and hope he
falls in love, and like there has to be a
food fight so that you can have your straight parents
in in a golden telescope, which I do. Yeah, because
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at one point the dad, the Steve Gutenberg character, Oh no,
I'm falling apart. Are You're starting to sound like Katherine's
exactly similar. He says to Alyssa, He's like, Clarius and
I are getting married. You're going to finally have a
(31:30):
real family. She's going to be your new mother. So
it's like, you know, there's no such thing as a
real family unless there's a head row mom and a
head or a dad. They're married together. And then Diane,
earlier than that, even says to Amanda, you deserve a
mother and a father. And then Amanda's like, so get
a husband, and she's like, I don't know how I
haven't met Steve, And I said, have you checked out CarMax,
(32:00):
Oh yeah, I mean, like I think we talked a
little bit. Because we've done a bonus episode on the
Lindsay Lohan Parent Trap. We had this discussion a little bit,
but yeah, it's like these like children's movies are perpetuating
this like heteronormative nuclear family unit that has to exist
or else like it's not a quote real family, or
(32:22):
that there's like something missing or that issue. Right. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's just very nice. That was the nineties. Yeah,
like there's I can't think of any movie that like
really in the nineties that would like challenge this at all.
But it is weird that there was like a trend
of movies that it was like people striving for a
nuclear unit at all costs, and there's always like a
rich blonde lady who gets I personally, she gets gum
(32:45):
in her hair in this one, but I prefer the
lizard in the mouth. That's such a good scene. The
nuclear Yeah. I was also thinking of like Mrs doubt Fire,
Like the nineties were about having two parents. They're about
ruffles with onion dep there were about the bucket hats
with a big sunflower. They were about twins. They were
about right down to the cores like commercials, and now
(33:05):
there's more twins ever, and then all the double mins,
more commercials who are Sproustill the nineties, we had Tia Tomorrow,
we had Dalson's we had and he were there. Boy
twins Zack and Cody, Yeah that was were there? Other
boy twins were they? Who were the kids who played
(33:26):
Ross's son and friends? Those who were this So we're
once again hitting on the Sprouses, the codes. The Rosses
kids are all two people. They're all two people. Oh God,
did y'all want twin with twin when you're up? Kind of?
I really wanted to. I was dying for a twin
that was dead, for twin slaughtered the media representation. Okay,
(33:49):
well this leads me kill my brother if it meant
I would have got the twins because the media representation
of twins made it seem so cool and so fun
because they always go on these like high James had
been trus together. It's necessarily a negative media was just
prominent thing trends on The Bachelor a few years ago.
But one of the main the big thing I noticed
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about this movie. Here's my main problem with it, because
it's is it the child acting? Well, that is a
very big thing. So it's a movie starring two little girls,
and yet it still has to end in a hetero
adult wedding, because I was thinking about, like, okay, think
about movies that star mostly little boys. You know, you've
got your goonies, you've got your stand lots, Mighty Ducks,
(34:33):
any like little boys sports movie basically, and then like
stand by Me, it's like boys getting to go on
adventures and like having a ragtag time. But movies that
star little girls, the trend is, well, I can't even
think of that many aside from like this whole slew
of I think, oh Harry, but like as far as
(34:56):
like an ensemble cast of like a bunch of little girls, like,
I can't think of hardly any I are never forget
what flipping on my TV and seeing now and then
and my mind being completely blow Oh my god, oh
my god, it's you know, yeah, I've seen it. I've
never seen anything like this. I can't believe there are
these little girls talking about like wanting boobs and like
(35:18):
flirting and boys, and like it was the most I
was like, why aren't there more? I've never seen anything
like this in my life or something like that. But yeah,
the point is like there's no there's so few movies
about like little girls just being little girls, and if
there is a movie where there are like a couple
of girls, it's usually about them orchestrating this like crazy
love story for adults. I think there are some exceptions
(35:42):
to that rule, but it was I mean, just like
the whole wedding aspect of this seems like, I don't
know there was a more fun movie where that wasn't
so prominent as much as I love an extended stop
the wedding sequence, and they really go for it here.
There's horses, there's helicopters, there's abandoned adopted children go off.
(36:02):
But going back really quickly to like how movies that
feature like little boys versus movies that feature little girls, Like,
guess what I never did as a little girl. I
never tried to get two adults to fuck. What I
did do is I went to school, I played soccer,
(36:24):
I played on jungle gyms, I was in girl Scouts,
like I climbed trees. I like, did all this stuff
that like you see little boys get to do in movies.
I feel like I did. Want. I think that it
was as a result of watching movies like this where
I'm like, oh, who are too adults in my life?
Who I could try to convince the fall. But it
was a direct result of like I didn't come up
with that on my own anymore than like I came
(36:46):
up with like wanting to play Harry at the Spy
on my own, or like wanting to play like any movie.
Starting a little girl just became a game of like
we're just playing that, We're just re enacting it for
as you know, I'm an in. And well, that's the
other thing about like all these movies that are targeted
that have like big theatrical releases that are targeted to
little girls, they're usually about like teens or adults falling
(37:10):
in love. Like if we're looking at like the movies
like when I was growing up or were like the
Disney Renaissance movies where You've got you know, your beauty
and the Beasts and Aladdin's and Little Mermaids, and it's
like all these movies about romance. And then the movies
targeted towards little boys, you know, they're like adventurers and
they're going on, they're gonna go find a dead body,
or they're gonna go find the treasure. They're gonna they're
(37:32):
gonna go find a sand lot so I just like,
I hate that that And we say this all the time,
but movies that are targeted towards children have to be
especially careful with their content and their messages and all
that stuff, because you know, their brains are little sponges
and they just like take whatever they see as like
(37:54):
absolute truth. So I mean, it's no wonder that, like,
at least like my generation of like kids growing up
into the adults, we are now being fed the movies
that we were made me all fucked up, sucked up
in your head. Yeah, I'm so boy crazy. Oh my god,
I'm exhausted. That's all I think about. I was telling you,
(38:15):
I don't know yet. Fortunately, this movie was not particularly successful.
It did not, which I think is maybe why the
parent Trap was so comfortable lifting so much material from it.
It did not do very well in theaters, which is
why Mary Kaye nashurally were trapped on television for the
next ten years. I didn't didn't do everything I would
have assumed it did. No, it only made like million
(38:37):
backs a lot. We have a lot of money. Well,
when you fucking invent a cell phone that's like pocket chain,
I do want to draw some of the comparisons between
both It Takes Two in the parent trap, and let's
(38:59):
throw the Princess in there too, because that's basically also
the same exact movie my lover who broke up with
me after asking me to be his girlfriend four days before.
Oh sorry, just mix about me. We have to side
part talking about and we did another Matreon bonus episode
(39:19):
about that movie, so everyone should sign up for Matrion
and listen to it anyway. Okay, so the parallels. We've
got summer Camp being a huge plot point. We've got
a dad living in a huge house in the countryside butler,
the one who is posh has a butler. Friend. Of
the two girls, we've got an evil stepmother lady who
(39:40):
is blonde and mean. And then the parallels between It
Takes Two and the Princess, which are that one of
them can play the piano and one of them can't,
and the one who can't play piano is forced into
a situation where she has to play the piano, and
the same thing with horse riding, where one of them
knows how to horse ride the other one doesn't. I
(40:00):
know this, yeah, totally, yeah, but I mean I guess
at least Amanda plays like football pla. Yeah, okay, do
you remember the stylist character who I think is in
like one scene he's like, this movie, you're like very
(40:23):
standard queer coded stylist character that you see in like
all of these movies. He said something like, I'm a hairdresser,
not a zoo keeper, which is hilarious thing. There's no
Paulo putin Esca. But he'll do the one moment where
I felt, I mean, I feel bad for any of
these stepmother characters that don't exist in real life, just
(40:45):
because they're so like hertial cartoon. But when they do
make the choice to bring in her father, who negs
the funk out of her. The second she's about to
he's like, wow, my first daughter is also the last
to get married. Interesting, and then just slides out of
and we're like, what who is that for? All of
those evil stepmother characters in these movies are so underwritten
(41:07):
and so poorly developed. It I just thought it was
I thought it was weird that the only is like
the only part of her they chose to develop was like, Oh,
but don't worry, she has severe daddy issues up there. Interesting.
We got to take another quick break but we'll be
right back and we're back. Yes, I talked. Yes. Also
(41:32):
on the child acting, this this movie made me actually
really appreciate the talent of Market and Nash Wilson because
they were the only take. They were literally the only
kids in the movie that were even slightly off buck
like everything. Every other kid was like truly reading cute cards.
The thing that the thing that like legitimately bothered me
about this movie as much as it's like we've talked
about like the wedding movies ending in the wedding is,
(41:54):
you know, exhausted and in ninety is probably like peak
even though it's still happened, But the way adoption was
like made to look and this movie really bugged me.
But I think it's because I, like I grew up
around a lot of kids who were adopted or were
like in the system, and the way that I don't know,
just like this movie makes it look so goofy and
(42:16):
almost like it's the kid's fault, like especially in the
in the Junkyard situation, where all the kids that are
not like this wealthy little girl and like Steve Gutenberg's
daughter are made to seem like antagonistic and mean and
like asking for it that they're being treated so horribly
and all the orphans like at the orphanage is a
(42:37):
little different, but that's like not even how the adoption
system works anymore. Like why are we still being like, oh,
the New York City Orphanage, Like that's not how the
systems were. I don't know. It just logged me. Even
with the old Stan it's like, if you could only
just wear a dress like you would be adopted, but
you you're presenting is too tomboyish, so that's why no
one likes you. And there's also no like arc where
(42:59):
it's like, oh, like she can't she be herself and
get adopted. It's like no, you actually couldn't have. But
thank God for you, Like I'm marrying a rich guy
and now you don't need to be adopted, right Yeah, yeah,
that I don't know. That was like the one thing
that really did. I was just like, oh, that's like
irresponsible and like there was a way to write that
storyline that didn't need to be that way, but it
(43:19):
was just yeah, I don't know. Does anyone have any
other thoughts about the movie? The Masterpiece? It takes two. Wait,
I think we need to talk a little bit more
about like what the Olsen Twins mean to us. I
suppose the Olsen Twins don't mean that much to me. Um,
they weren't. They just weren't a part of my media
consumption as a as a kid. When I was this age,
(43:43):
I was watching Back to the Future every day of
my life. Oh my god. Yeah, I was like I
was watching those problematic eighties movies that were like a
little too old for me to be watching. I was
like Back to the Future and like Indiana Jones were
my go twos. So I was watching these like boy
centric movies because I didn't like what was available I mean,
(44:05):
and then like also all those Disney movies. But I
just didn't like a lot of what was available to me,
like the like girly movies, I suppose, which probably because
they were all about like, hey, let's make sure these
adults fuck and that's my main goal. Like why couldn't
there have been a movie about two girls who meet
each other, whether or not they look exactly alike or not,
(44:27):
like whatever, but it helps can it not be about
something like why does it automatically have to be about
like trying to get a romance? To happen because it's like, well,
they're too young to try to find boys themselves. But
that's not also, not to be fair, that's not every
Mary Kit naturally joint. Sure, they do a lot of
different they do variation on like three different plots. Sometimes
(44:51):
they're trying to find a parent love. Other times they're
like solving a mystery. Like they do a lot of stuff,
but they always have a love interest in their films. Yes, yeah,
and I mean I guess there is I mean even
and like Passport to pairs like together, that's like the
that's their first on screen kiss. Oh my waits was
the twins first on screen kiss and they were eleven.
(45:12):
This is what my brain is telling. And then one
of the one of the French guys. Maybe this is
why I keep getting adiction to people who don't live
in the same country as me. But one of the guys,
like she meets him and he's imitating her and he goes,
oh my god, oh my god, remember that her. Oh
I feel completely their twelve in that movie. That's why, well,
I remember that so clear. We also talked by the
(45:34):
cultural moment where it was like two four and there
was like online and there was like websites where you
could go to see a countdown clock. My older cousin
was all about that. He was into the It was disgusting.
Anyone who's into that clock is gay. I had that
(45:54):
having so much as by for a cousin and his
wife and they're two beautiful twin girls. That's a big Also,
he's like tortured inside and it's in Massachusetts married. Can
I just say one thing about the countdown of like
the Twins team, Like, there's this huge problem that's happening
(46:14):
right now and probably has been happening since the dawn
of time, where like men in whatever capacity and industry
and all that are like grooming underage problem to like
whenever they become legal in turn eighteen, so they're like
ready to trap in basically. But it's like one word,
(46:35):
one word, Brittany, It's that's happening right now. I get
her name, but um, the actors who plays eleven on
Stranger Things, Oh, she's majorly getting that treatment of like
she's thirteen, but like let's start to get her sexy now.
It makes me puke. So that's I mean, the only
and the only boy I can think of that received
(46:55):
that treatment was Justin Bieber. I do remember there being
a clock element to the Justin Bieber canon. Yes. Um. Anyway, hey,
does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yes, it does.
Amanda and Alyssa talk to each other a lot. Amanda
and Diane talk about finding her a new family. A listen,
(47:18):
Clarice talk to each other a bit. Um. Yeah, there's
a lot of different combos and situations. It's a feminist text.
It's a feminist text. You bet you. Actually, while we're watching,
Pat turns to me and goes, I think this movie
is good for women. Yeah what moment because one of
them played baseball. Yeah. Yeah, if a girl plays baseball
(47:39):
and a movie, it is good for women and all
of its flaws must be forgiven immediately. Well, let's rate
the movie, speaking of deciding if it's good for women
or not, rated on our nipple scale zero to five
nipples based on its portrayal and representation of women. I
don't know. It's so hard with these kids movies that
(48:01):
have to be well, they don't have to be, but
this era, they're so cartoonish that it's kind of hard
to even evaluate them for anything because they're so cartoon
but you're saying you think that they should be helped
to hire standard still because kids movies these days. Yeah,
so I mean these kids, they were condescending, and they
(48:27):
helped perpetuate these like would end up being harmful ideas
that like a kid needs a mother and father if
they're going to turn out. Okay, the movie was bad
for gays, that's okay. I forget almost every movie goodet
there it was good forett. Yeah, I would get women. Actually, no,
(48:48):
because they have to get married or they can't have
a child. That's actually horrible for them. Yeah, I would
give it too out of I think that's where I
would give its five nibbles. Really feminist, it's like Mowana
level feminism. I don't watch kids movies because they are
boring to me. I watched them. Paddington is my favorite movie.
(49:09):
People are all piped up on that and not there.
I guess I'll watch it. I can't watch anything really
because I have anxiety and I start thinking about myself
too much. It's actually a disease. Um I would I
guess two nips or even one nip. It's like it's
not helpful. It's not helpful. Yeah, it's I mean it's good.
I guess it's good for like little girls who can
be like, oh look, they're like, you know, doing a thing.
(49:29):
But I mean, at the end of the day, I'm
gonna do Yeah, I'll do like even one. And it
sucks because it's like, you know, I guess if we're
breaking it down, like women are on screen the majority
of the time, but like there's it's just like it's
so nineties and it's like ideology and what it's pushing.
Like I wouldn't show this movie to a kid. It
seems counterproductive, right, Yeah, I think I'm kids one nipple, right,
(49:54):
because it's like no little girl has ever done this
to the to the extent where they're like fucking riding
horse is and like trying like orchestrating these like very
complicated meat cutes, like that's not anything a little girl does.
But because like at least two movies are about this, yeah,
and one is way better, is a masterpiece, and the
other this one is boring. Yeah. The thing he addressed
(50:16):
that they she has this refrain of I want that,
can't eat, can't sleep, knocking out of the park, and
that is the most damaging thing A little girl can
hear because you think if someone treats you bad it
makes you feel bad, then they're to love your life
and you must chase after that, and that that the
pining of them is what is romantic, and that has
actually ruined my life. So excuse you all, I levitate
off my chair and go through the ceiling. I also
(50:39):
want to say that it's crazy that we both remember
the food it's seen, but neither of us remembered that
Kirsty Alley's character starts the food. Yes, I'm like you
talking about that your camp. I'm taking this honestly progressive. Yeah,
she starts to her own camp. No, someone's to clean it.
Someone she pays is gonna have to clean the food,
or she will have to do it because she's like
(51:00):
fire fust You need to think of the employees. Oh
my god, this movie is my firefust Um. Well, thanks
to the both of you for thank you guys so
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