Mean Girls with Jenny Jaffe

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have
women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best
start changing it with the bel casts. Hello and welcome
to the Backdel Cast. My name is Caitlin, my name
is Jamie. I don't know why did I do that

(00:21):
weird thing at the end. I don't know. I wanted
to match you, though, I love We're so on the
same page. Love you. Well, here we are talking about
women in movies once again thet time. I mean, we've
been doing it for a while. I know, I'm so
proud of us. I you know what it is. It's
a good thing for structure. It's a good thing for

(00:42):
our friendship. It's a good thing for our friendship with Aristotle.
It's a good thing for you know, yeah, exactly, exactly exactly. Man.
I'm really excited a man like man. Sometimes it's like
when we're looking for guests for the show, we're like, Okay,
who's super funny who do we have a friend crush on?
And then let's just make it so so our guest today.

(01:05):
She has been a writer for college Humor, MTV Disney,
and she has a show coming out on i f
C which she is the star and creator of, called Neurotica.
Jenny Jeff Hi, I can't tell you how many times
I've considered starting a podcast with the express purpose of
making friends in l A. And I think that's kind

(01:27):
of a hacky move but at the same time, but
it does work so far, so good. I mean, everybody
out here like just wants to be on podcasts, right,
I mean, well, the thing that, man, I've been having
a rough week with Los Angeles, the city that I
am still not sure if I like or not. Where
it's just everyone's always around, you know, like everyone's like, oh,

(01:48):
I can do a podcast at two pm, because no one.
That's why I have I'm not making the friends though,
is because all the people I would be friends with
are doing shows at night, which is the only time
I'm free, because you've got you have a day job, right,
so or the other thing is I'll be like, come
by and get lunch at the studio or something like.
That's the only other way I can. Well, you should go.

(02:09):
You can go to those shows that the people are
on and then be like, hey, I thought you were funny.
That's true. I'm a very bad comedy audience though. Yeah,
And then you have to go to a show I like,
and I do like going to two shows obviously like
I like comedy a whole lot. But the problem is, like,
if I don't like something, I have absolutely no ability

(02:31):
to pretend that I do. It is all over my face.
And if it's a new friendship and I don't think
they're funny, I won't be able to hide it. It's
something I need to work on. Really, I just don't
have a poker face, man. I mean that's a good problem.
Now if you also honest, there's also just more bad
comedy shows in the world. When they are a good
comedy shows, you really do roll the dice everythingle I

(02:52):
started doing comedy so that I would stop hiding from people,
and then so I would have to be around people
at night because I am not a killing I don't
know if you don't know this about me, I'm not
a party gal. What. I don't go to parties. I
think the one time I showed up at a party,
you were bowled over and I was too, and I
left pretty quickly. The secret to parties is if you

(03:13):
come for twenty minutes, people remember that you're there, and
they'll never remember that you left exactly exactly. And you man,
Caitlin's better at parties, and I I don't. I just
came a social butterfly. You but like, but you're you're
good at it. You do a good job. Thank you.
And sometimes I'll show up and then it's like, but
now I'm not talking to anybody. We should talk about

(03:35):
the movie that we're here to talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we watched it together. This week. We're watching more and
more movies together. I love it. It's fine. Couldn't make it,
this one, this one, it's fine. Have you seen this movie? Though? Aristotle?
Oh good, Okay, he's given a big nod. That was
an emphatic knod. We're talking about mean girls, Jennyonine. Did

(03:57):
you first see the movie? Came out when I was fourteen,
which was like the perfect at and my class in
middle in high school, I went to school with basically
the same kids for seven years, was notorious for being
a class of very mean girls. Really yeah. In seventh grade,
one girl told all the rest of the other girls

(04:18):
not to talk to me for a year, and they
all listened. Yeah, I know I had some horrible bullying
stories and she asked me to like retweeter Kickstarter at
one point. So we're all good. Um, I should say
that maybe I should go. He is listening. Um, we
have millions of listeners on our podcast, including Everyone's Time. Yeah,
we have a big high school bully following this is

(04:40):
this is all to say that. Like, so when it
came out in eighth grade, like one of the moms
of one of the girls like sent out an email
being like, we should all go see this movie, Like
all the girls should go see this movie. And I
think I like didn't go because I was too nervous
to be around those girls anymore than I had to be.
So it was a very timely movie for me. And
it is like, maybe the thing I remember most about

(05:02):
it is that when I went to go see it,
it was the first time I had seen the Fandango
Bollywood bag puppet ad do you guys remember? And it
was the hardest I think I've ever laughed at anything.
I was like, this is so funny, this is comedy,
and this is what this is what it means to
be a comedian. So I laughed about that through like

(05:25):
half the movie, which is a great movie, is super
funny anyway, but like, for some reason, just the b
the fact they were bag puppets, it was very appealing.
I really liked it. Yeah, I remember remember about the
actual viewing experience. I didn't. I didn't see this movie
in theaters. I think I too. So I was eleven
when this movie came out, and all the moms at

(05:46):
our church youth group, they were like, Oh, we're gonna
We're going to teach the girls to respect each other,
you know, and all this stuff, and I didn't. I
was sort of fortunate to go to a high school.
Middle school was tough for me because I were bad
brace and so you know, there's no getting around that.
But high school, my high school is so huge that
bullying wasn't really a problem because you could. You know,

(06:07):
someone might bully you a single time and then you
wouldn't see them for weeks, and then they would forget
because there was six thousand kids there. I had a hundred. Yeah,
the smaller high school, it's the worst it is. But yeah,
I just didn't know most of the kids in my
high school, and they had no idea who I was.
So even if it was like, oh, bad Brace girl,
but then you know it was new for them. Every

(06:29):
time they were just like, who is this freak? And
then we're back Brace girl. How many bad brace freaks
go to this school? Uh? So it was it was fine,
and we were sorted into buildings like Harry Potter. And
that's the true thing about my high school. Really. There
are four different buildings and you got put in one
year freshman year at random. No sorting ceremony was in
the azure building. Where did you go to high school?

(06:50):
I went to high school in Bracton, Massachusetts. It's a
ship hole in southern Massachusetts. And there was the red, yellow, green,
and azure for some reason, not for as sure, and
the stereotyped were like Azure was for like brainy losers
and red was for raven cloth well red foot, Red
was like well adjusted cool people. Yellow was for like

(07:18):
idiots and uh yeah, and and and then green was
for the rest fletherin. That's really that works out it.
All it did was affect your cafeteria and like where
you ate and had homeroom, but you were you were sorted. Anyways,
I saw this movie when I was eleven with my
church group. I think I was a little bit too
young for it then, but I liked it. I wish

(07:41):
i'd seen it in theaters, So I don't remember if
I saw in theaters or not. But it came out
like a couple of weeks before I graduated high school,
and I don't remember if I saw it right away
or if it was maybe within the next year after that.
But I saw it pretty soon after I came out.
And then I was like, Oh, my goodness, isn't miss
Mavie Emmer. And then I bought it on DVD and

(08:01):
then everyone else is like, this is the best movie ever.
And then I was like, well fine, and then I
and then I forgot about it kind of. I sort
of outgrew it, and now I have some thoughts which
we will talk not anymore. I don't really I wasn't

(08:23):
getting that read for me when we were watching it. Well,
I'm very difficult to read it, Jenny. I have a
very good poker face. You got exclusively a poker face. Yeah,
and that I don't emote any emotions. I'm just a
weird robot. I am Caitlin a robot. I know we
need to balance each other out and I wish we

(08:44):
could like hold hands and like some of your emotions
could leach into my body. I would love for you
to take something. There's too many and I don't have enough.
So anyway, how about the recap? Let's do it? So
Mean Girls focuses on a character named Kay Dharon played
by Lindsay Lohan. She moves to a new school in

(09:04):
Michigan where she's going to go to school for the
first time. Oh sorry, yeah, my bad. Atting Coston is
like a cool little place place I did the Northwestern
College program. I got to be there first summer, and
the coolest thing about it to me was that it
was where Katie Heron lived. Yeah right, okay, yeah, so
I'm dumb it states anyway, um uh. So she moves

(09:28):
to a new school and she has never been to
like public school before. She's only been homeschooled because her
parents were researched zoologists in Africa. So she's like, oh
my god, I'm in a new school. I don't know
how to be a person. So she meets a couple
of friends, Jane Ian and Damien, and they're like, we're
gonna be friends with you, and we're a teacher of

(09:48):
the lay of the Land, and then she meets the Plastics,
which is this group of three young women who are
mean girls. Hey that's the name of the movie. And
Janice has some beef with the queen Bee of the Plastics,
Regina George. Regina like sort of takes a liking to Katie.
So Jane is like, hey, you should like hang out
with Regina and pretend to be her friend and then

(10:11):
we can like dish on all the stupid stuff that
they say. But things get a little out of hand.
Katie sort of becomes one of the Plastics herself, and
then she has some lessons to learn, some friendships to repair.
There's a boy that she has a crush on, and
Hare and Samuel's that was That's where the October four
joke comes from. Me Where is October because the other

(10:35):
Lindsay Lohan October things on October eleventh, My birthdays on
October eleventh. And then they put the picture together we
should do that parent trap. Yeah, Hallie, we're like sisters,
Like we're like twin and then they cry and hug.
That movie definitely passes the backtel time. That movie with

(10:57):
Flying Colors, Lizzy Lowen and herself. Million doesn't count, though
if it's the same woman talking, it does. And then
there's CHESSI Chessie, Yeah, Chessie's awesome. And then Natasha Richardson
is is Dennis Quaid in it? He had dad? And
then there's um Meredith is supposed to be twenty six

(11:18):
in it, which is which makes me upset? That is crazy?
She was that lady? Does that mean we can date
Dennis quaint me? Does that that been sliding scale? I've
been dating Brandy, I want to be quaite and Jason. Yeah,

(11:40):
that's pretty much the stories. I just got sucked up
in parent trapay. Oh yeah, Well going back to mean girls,
um so yeah, Katie she becomes a mean girl herself,
and then Miss Norberry a Ka Tina phase, like you
guys have to learn how to be better to each other,
and then everyone sort of makes up at the end,
and there's a spring laying dance, there's a mathlete competition,

(12:02):
Regina George is hit by a bus by the way,
and one of my favorite plot times, Yeah, so I
out of nowhere suffered that stupid thing. I do like
that they got away with it, Like, what a crazy
thing to have to be like, and then she gets
hit by a bus and they were like, you know what,
We're gonna trust you with this one. It just feels

(12:22):
like a prank that someone got away with, presumably Tina
Fay Right by the way, I was a mathlete in
high school. Did you have a jacket. I didn't have
a jacket. We only did I think like two or
three competitions that I was a part of um. But
we had mathletes at my school. Well, your school might

(12:42):
have been cooler than mine. Maybe maybe it was kind
of like cocarts. Right. Did you have a headmaster named Dumbledore?
We had? Well, no, we had a principal named Dr
zach Owitz. Same thing. She was pretty cool. Oh, I
like that she was a woman. Yeah. Great, Yeah, and
her husband was a history teacher, so she had a

(13:04):
very nice beta husband, who is like, my wife is dope.
Good role models. I love a good beta husband. I
love beta males. Give me where are they? They're everywhere,
but they're just mine's downstairs. You gotta find them your
beta mails downstairs. Man. I think that I've skewed two
alfa recently, and I've really I've got to be like
where you gotta be sneaky. You got sneak up on them.

(13:28):
They school kezy. If you bring your net, you'd be okay,
you can trap them, you can do it. And then
you say, Okay, now I'm going to fix you. Yeah. Anyway,
that's the the story of me and girls. Let me
just start by saying that I have con Okay, so

(13:51):
it's not that I hate the movie, but I definitely
don't think it's aged well and I think it's pretty
problem at it and I'm experience. I experienced it the
same way that I experienced Heathers, which we talked about
on an earlier episode, where it's like, Okay, great, it's
a movie about women, but a lot of them hate

(14:12):
each other and they say horrible things to each other,
and it portrays women in this like very catty, competitive
way where they're really mean and awful to each other.
And I just want everyone to get along. I just
want a movie where everyone gets along and there's no conflict. No,
I'm kidding, Like that was very much my experience of
the women I knew when I was sort of in

(14:32):
my early teens, is that it is very competitive. People
don't get along like it was, and I don't think
that's the case necessarily. I think that it's a bad
stereotype about women, that that's how it always is, and
that I think as you get older, I think that
you start to realize like, oh, like these are my allies,

(14:54):
and these are like the people who I care about,
and like some of the competition dies down, and then
I think it's like what happens is you realize that
you've been pitted against each other at some point, and
then you're like, oh, fuck all, y'all, I'm going to
be with women and men are going to have to
earn my trust, not the other way around it. And
like that was what happened to me. Was like I

(15:14):
felt like there were a bunch of women I thought
just and from and I was like, oh, it's because
like the men in my life were douche bags, and um,
I think that's sort of what happens at some point
is you realize how much a society is built on
making you feel competitive with other women, especially when you're
in like the industry and stuff. Yeah, I mean where
there's days where it still feels that way, and I

(15:37):
don't know, I I guess for me, this is sort
of like portraying like, I think it's a pretty you know,
it's it's obviously it's a movie, but in terms of
portraying something sort of close to what it could actually
look like in real life is important to to get
people to relate because I feel like we if we
just have a movie where you know, like women are

(15:57):
totally supporting each other and getting along, um, doesn't make
for an interesting movie. Not that interesting. But then also
like I don't know, like if it was a movie
about teenage boys not getting along, would we have a
problem with it? Probably not. I don't know. I'm sort
of I've got a specific piece stuck in my head
right now that I read this morning in Harper's Bizarre

(16:21):
by Jennifer Wright, who's writer I really like about how
like the idea of feminism is getting conflated with all
women having to like each other and what Stepford wives,
the kind of environment that that encourages, where it's like,
you don't have to like other women. You can think
other women are stupid and wrong, and you know the

(16:43):
way you could think men are stupid and wrong. You
just need to respect them on a basic level, believe
that they have the same rights that you do, and
you're still like, I don't know, Like being being a
woman who's a feminist doesn't mean that you can't have
a negative opinion of another woman, especially if what they're
doing sucks, like do you or doesn't match up with

(17:05):
with your values or whatever. So that's I haven't like
fully processed it, but it's something that I was thinking
about in relation to this movie, of like, it makes
sense that a lot of the characters in this movie
wouldn't would be pitted against each other. And yeah, and
I don't think it's like portraying anything unrealistic or things
that don't happen, because yeah, these things, like a lot

(17:28):
of women this age do treat each other this way,
There's no doubt about it. Could we argue that maybe
one of the reasons that like women feel that they're
pitted against each other or that they feel it needed
to be competitive in meat to each other, are movies
like this that perpetuate the stereotype. Could we argue that
maybe not? Maybe So, I don't know. Yeah, Well, when

(17:51):
you guys saw this movie for the first time, which
character resonated with you the most? I would say probably
Janice Ian. Yeah, me too. I think of the sort
of mother. I was the girl who said that Regina
George punched her in the face. Like the thing is
like I wasn't even at a level where I thought

(18:12):
I could even try to be popular, like you know
what I mean, Like, nor would I want to, Like
I just wanted to die for most of high school.
But that's like that's the whole separate story. Like I
just did. But it wasn't like a motivating factor for me.
But I really liked this, I guess idea of like
a world where there was redemption possible for whatever this was,

(18:36):
or there was some way to heal or through like
my high school. Like it was weird because like I
went through all of high school where I was like, yeah,
all the movies are correct, Like this high school is
like terrible and there's like a couple of kids who
are like ridiculously popular and attractive and all this stuff,
Like that's how every high school is. I don't have friends,
that's normal. And then I got out of my I
went to a very small, very preppy high school, like

(18:57):
we got mentioned on the o C. Like that's the
level of preppy that my high school was. And um,
because we're known for having cocaine dealers, like we were
really coke high school, really preppy, really rich, Like really
what area I grew up in? Silicon Valley. Um, I
hated my high school. I hated high school, but I also, like,

(19:18):
to be fair, I don't know I would have liked
any high school because I was just going through a
lot of issues at the time. But like when I
graduated and that talked to people who had gone to
anywhere fucking else but my high school, I was like, Oh,
I only thought my high school was normal because high
schools on TV seemed like that too, Like because like interesting.

(19:40):
So there is an aspect of it too that I
think might be reinforcing, but it was also really reflective
of my experience, which was like the weirdest little inselur
bubble where I think, I mean, part of the reason
this movie I don't think it's ever bothered me is
because I don't think I've ever seen a movie that
reminded me of my high school experience, and including this one. Yeah,

(20:01):
Like so for me, it's like entertainment high school and
entertainment and high school in the way I experienced it,
which wasn't great and it wasn't you know there was
a lot of problems, but there it's just it just
seems so separate that it never even like I don't
even think I really tried to relate with it that
much because I was I was like, oh, well, you

(20:24):
know this, everyone knows each other at this high school.
So like, here's the thing. Here's the thing about about
Mean Girls and my high school experience. That's totally separate,
but maybe it maybe interesting. So when I was in
high school, I should have mentioned in my credit So
I founded a mental health nonprofit and I spent two
years out of the comedy world sort of like doing that.

(20:47):
And I have talked a lot about my mental health
stuff and that sort of thing. But one thing was
in high school, I was in really intense um exposure
therapy for this like all encompassing fear of throwing up.
And part of this therapy was that they handed me
a list at the beginning of the thing where I
had to watch movies that included scenes of somebody throwing up.

(21:08):
Guess what Mean Girls has twice is mentioned a vomit,
and I know exactly where it is because I always
get nervous when that part comes on. Even to this day,
just because like it's like an old reaction. But so
I watched Mean Girls a lot because it was a
movie I loved that also had a scene with puking
in it because Katie throws up on like Aaron Samuel's lap, right,
which is like a really tough scene for me. Like

(21:30):
lots of reasons, but like, yeah, so that's an interesting
sort of I know. So I know, like where every
movie has a puke scene, had to mentally clock it,
and Two Things I Hate About You has one too,
which is another movie that I had writing at this age.
My most memorable puke scene is from Do You America
World Police? Oh yeah, fantastic puppet. Just yeah, that's yeah.

(21:56):
Exposure therapy is, man, we should we should talk about
that off because I went through exposure therapy last year.
I should definitely talk about this. Yeah, it's holy fun.
Like I still, man, what a what a fun? Maybe
I need exposure therapy for feelings because I'm so afraid
of them. I mean just regular therapy is the best
thing for that. Yeah, everyone should be in therapy, I agree.

(22:21):
I finally got insurance back. It takes six months through
the Animation Guild working in the Animation Guild to get
insurance through them, which is crazy. I'm just so Monday congratulations.
I am just starting on medica. Unfortunately for my therapist,
because I whatever, like I met him like in the

(22:42):
e R and he was like, I am yours now
like diagnosed me with O c D and bipolar and
all this stuff I really needed and didn't know. And
so now I'm like, I don't. I never want to
leave him because I feel like you saved my life,
but also no insurance covers him. So it's just this
thing where the American system is terrible and steadily getting worse,

(23:04):
and what are you gonna do. I'm never going to
leave him. I'll go into debt. I don't care. I
think that therapy should be free, the way that like
you can get free books at the library. I don't
know why that's not just a social service that we
have because we don't value mental health. That's what physical health,
and we barely value physical health very much. Oh are

(23:24):
you a woman? Do you have a pre existing condition?
Too bad? Go and die. That's what the Republicans say. Boy, okay, wait,
let's go, let's go back. Mean girls, Well, a few things.
One of the few reasons this movie does not hold
up very well. The word retarded gets said three different times,

(23:47):
so that's like, oh, that's a very oh for. I mean,
that's that's another thing where I'm in no way justifying that.
But if we're kicking it too oh for, that mean,
at least in my experience, that was dropped quite a
bit in pop culture and in my middle school. Yeah,

(24:08):
it's pretty remarkable the amount of sensitivity we have acquired
as a culture since the Bush administration. And like it's
I know, it's like dropped off precipitously with the rise
of actual fucking Nazis, but like there is also it's
pretty it's cool. Like legitimately, there are a lot of
kind of like weird gender jokes and stuff in this

(24:30):
movie that I don't think would have been Yeah, well,
I mean whenever, like Janice is going through the cafeteria
and be like, here's where all the clicks sit, and
she's like, this is where the girls who eat their
feelings sit, and here's the girls who don't eat anything.
Basically like body shaming women, mental illness shaming other women,

(24:50):
and then like all these different like racial stereotypes. Yeah,
there's a lot of jokes about Asian people. There's uh,
there's gay jokes. Damien's expect like, there's a lot of
stuff I would need to It's a hard thing because
and I'm not trying to say that any of this
is like okay, but that if we're talking about how

(25:11):
people talk about each other in high school, that doesn't
that's not incredibly unusual where I think of some of
the words that were thrown at me in high school
and it's like, well, you know, this movie is only
one pg thirteen, so you couldn't say, hey, there's the
girl with the ol bow up her asshole. Yeah, I

(25:32):
got a lot of I got a lot of lesbo
And I was like, yeah, you're half right, but yeah,
just you know, it's like, um, I think just stuff
that it's partially two thou four and it's partially stuff
that just kids in high school say, and then like
there's a tiny part that's problematic. Fave of Tina Fee,

(25:56):
who I love, even though I think she has some
really huge blind spots when it comes to especially talking
about race and to think you know, it's one of
those things where it's like I think she has net
put more good into the world than bad, but really
really tough listening to her defend certain choices she's made

(26:17):
and thinks she's written and the Native American storyline and
came exactly I'm thinking about too well. I think her
character ms Norberry is poised as being like this wise
woman who like she she's an ally and she's gonna
give you all the answers on how to treat each

(26:38):
other better as a woman. But I would argue that
she is the most problematic character of them all. And
let me explain why. There's a few scenes where she
is talking to a character, usually Katie, and being like, hey,
here's a reason that you should do this, and the
reasons are always problematic. For example, she's trying to get
Katie to join the athletes and she's like, yeah, we've

(27:00):
of to have a girl on the team so that
the team could meet a girl. Not because women need
to be represented in mathematics, not because it would be
good for Katie or because she's good at math women
Is that exactly, um, But it's so that the boys
on the team could have a chance to interact with

(27:21):
a woman. That was her reasoning for Katie joining the maths.
She was joking because she's a female math teacher, Like,
surely she has, yes, but then it keeps happening another scene,
whenever she's like, you, girls, towards the end, when they're
all in the gymnasium, you've got to stop calling each
other sluts and horse, because that just makes it okay
for guys to call you sluts and horse. But like
she's also the reason she's giving is always like how

(27:43):
these women like their experience is related to two men,
because she doesn't say, oh, it's because slut shaming is
wrong and you should like be building each other up
rather than tearing each other down, Like there's that. And
then finally, during the math like competition, whenever they're two
teams are about to go up against each other, Miss

(28:04):
Norberry goes up to Katie's like, you can do this.
There's nothing to break your focus because not one of
those mary Mount boys is cute. Again, bringing her experience
back to like how it relates to men. She didn't say, oh,
you can do this because you're good at math, or
because you've prepared a lot for this, Like it just
bothered me that all the reasons she kept giving for
different things were like it's how, it's how your experience

(28:28):
relates to men in some way. So it bothered to me. Yeah,
I get maybe I'm being nippicky. No, I think that
those are valid points. Um, I don't know. I mean
the thing that the thing that always bothers me about,
especially like mid Odds, Tina fe characters earlier lots Lemon
is just like, do you if they stop pretending that

(28:48):
you look like ship, you don't look like ship, you
look great, stopped like the whole, the whole for where
she's like, I'm not that cute, I do math, I'm
not the games. It's like you're beautiful, Calm down. Um,
I don't know a lot of what she said, for sure,
is in reference to men, but but also seemed clearly
communicated as a joke or a lead into a visual

(29:11):
like the Mary Mount Boys, and it cuts to I
thought that in particular was because Katie had broken her
focus through the whole semester because of Aaron Samuel's So
I thought that particulars just her saying like, well, you
don't get Aaron Samuel's here, so like, and her character
dealt with That's that Aaron Samuel's thing pretty well? Yeah,

(29:32):
in terms of calling her out where that you know
the scene where she's like, well, it's weird because all
your work is correct, but only the answers, and she's like,
you don't have to dumb yourself down to like in
Prescott press a guy. Yeah, I mean she still is
the most problematic character, Like she right off the bat
assumes that the black girl in classes uh who is

(29:53):
from Michigan is the African girl. But yeah, not saying
I don't think your reads are wrong, I just don't.
I think in the context of the movie, they're not
like the most problematic things about the movie, even though
the movie does have a lot of problematic things. I mean,
doing this podcast has basically ruined me. I'm now like like, oh,

(30:13):
this movie isn't fucking perfect, Like I could be more.
It's ripping up the bandon a lot. Well, I don't
know if that's I mean, I think this is like
one of the places that we've come to and like,
I don't even know that slut shaming was a concept
in two thousand and four that people were don't I
don't think we gave it a name at least, I mean,
it was happening, but we weren't like identifying. It's like, oh,

(30:35):
this is there were sluts, but there was not the
concept of shaming yet. People were slut shaming, but we
didn't have it. We didn't have a word for it.
We weren't saying like, you shouldn't do this because that's problematic. Two,
I was getting slush shamed every day. Kid. I don't
know what, like the closest to perfect in that regard

(30:59):
movie is. I'd be interested to try. And because I
think every movie has a pretty huge blind spot, because
every person has a pretty huge blind spot, and they're like,
everybody messes up, and the only thing anybody can do
is when they mess up, and when they're like, oh wow,
I didn't even think about this blind spot that I had.
You're right, and I will do better in the future,
and like then you just keep learning. And that's a

(31:20):
place where I think Tina Fey's failed a little bit.
But everybody gets to have a problematic faith, I think.
And I think she's a good one. She's a good one.
She's a Tina Fey. At least we have a women
writer for this movie, and it was Tina Fey wrote
it and then she adapted it from the book by
Rosalind Wiseman, which is such a cheesy book but I've
never read it. Queen Bee's and Wannabees We that was

(31:42):
a part of the whole church group deals. You also
had to read the book with your mom. I remember, like,
I feel like there's a lot of stuff like that
where my mom was reading a lot of books like that,
and I don't know how much they really helped her,
because like the real issue for me in high school
was mostly just making sure I didn't kill myself. So like,
I don't know how many of the much any of
those books ended up factoring into how she dealt with me,

(32:04):
But like I do know she or like she watched
like the movie like thirteen and stuff, and I'm like,
I'm not gonna lose my virginity for a solid seven years,
so let's shift the focus, right, Yeah, my mom didn't.
I don't know. I think my mom was sort of
just like, well, I realized things don't look too good.
But my mom what she tried to do, actually, which

(32:25):
is kind of antithetical to the whole mean girls church
group thing, was my mom actively tried to steer me
into what she was in high school, which was a popular,
well liked gal um and I guess I'd really have
to do to dig deep to figure out how I

(32:46):
feel about it. But I guess that she did that
with a small degree of success. Where I, you know,
my interests were reading and playing yobo, and I did
ballet dancing, but usually I was wearing a back brace.
And then my mom started being like, oh, you should
join the drama club. You know, you should join the

(33:06):
dance team. You should do this, you should do this,
and she pushed me in a more conventional direction, which
I wish she hadn't done, but also at the time,
I listened. So I guess what I'm saying is my
mom is my problematic fame. She's yeah, it's it's weird
because and then you think, like the generation before us
was influenced by all this ship as well. And I

(33:30):
don't know what the mean girls for their genera that
it just didn't exist. Oh true, pink ladies. Yeah, I
don't think I need to reach that. Yeah. Oh hold
on one second, let's just chuck the rest of this
and stop that. Right. Musicals and I hate the lift

(33:50):
from Dirty Dancing, that's right. I hated off Joel Schumacher
directed fam of the Opera two thousand and four and
think a terrible adaptation but also a terrible music. But
I love it. I will have the phantom to talk
with you, like anytime please. Okay, this is very bad.
It is mostly a movie about how to run an
opera house poorly, and then has a couple of scenes business,

(34:14):
oh my god, are we yeah, we should talk about it.
Spare me these unending trials. I'm leaving. I don't want to.
And then I enjoy Patrick Wilson's interpretation of role. I
do too. I think he's underrated. It's like, Wow, Christine,

(34:36):
do you want to marry the ugly murderer rapist or
the handsome nice guy who's actually a good act is
actually a solid actor and can sing. And she's still like,
oh this is Butler cannot hit the top note on
music of the night. He can't hit one job. It's
so bad. Okay, that's our shout out, the Schumacher shout out.

(35:02):
The only musical I like is Team America World Police. Yeah.
I'm gonna keep mentioning on this epico. It's got the
best song ever, which is Pearl Harbor sucks. And I
Love You. That's such a good song and I think
about it all the time, the montage song love it,
even though they already did it in an earlier episode
of South Park Fun. You can recycle your material, trade Parker, Well,

(35:23):
have you seen Cannibal to Musical and how do you
feel about it? I have not seen that. No, it's brilliant.
It's there. You'll probably if you like south Park Bigger,
longer than cut and uh and Team America, then it's
a kind of a trilogy. Hell yeah, it's It's got
a lot of the same jokes and you see where
a lot of like really early jokes came from. And
I'll watch it. It's very delightful, cool, good guys, good guys,

(35:43):
love them friends of the cast. I haven't seen that either, fantastic.
I don't have the money to go watch things on stage.
What you have to do is start writing for a
clickbait website and then just be like, hey, I'll write
about it, and then hopefully they forget that. I've seen
Scarlet ears hire me BuzzFeed. I did stand up on

(36:04):
BuzzFeed once and well, I'll put the link in the commice.
It was an experience I'm changed, BuzzFeed, remember suff he changed.
We haven't really talked about the plastics that much, No,
we haven't. So we've got Regina George Rachel McAdams kills it.
She that's so good. I agree with that good, which

(36:27):
is weird. One. I've never particularly drawn to her in
anything else, but she just like, I mean, all three plastics,
and I don't we were talking about this. I don't
like Amanda Seaford that much, or Cyfred. I never like
her in anything becau so I forget it's her because
I like it. She was in the Mamma Mia musical movie,
which was am absolute well. I mean it's not a

(36:49):
great musical, but like it's like, yeah, it's a bad, bad,
bad movie. And then uh whoa uh Lacey Shabert Eliza
Thorny the born Berry as a Gretchen Wieners. She Gretchen
is my favorite plastic mine too. I think if they're
Gretchen is the closest I could get to connecting with

(37:09):
a plastic of she is me too. She's showing up
for the Jewish American princesses. She like well because she's
like she is a subordinate, but she's also just as
smart as her boss as it were. And I man,
I just I have a real soft spot for Gretchen Winers,
especially when she does that speech about Julius, Caesar and Brutus.

(37:33):
That is where I come closest to feeling for her
of like, oh, she just really wants but also that's
the makings of a monster if you give that person power.
But she never gets it because it goes to Lindy Lewen. Yeah,
and really good in this movie. This is like this,
and then she's Freaky Friday kind of in the same year,

(37:53):
and then passions of a teenage drama Queen. We start
to right yea, then we start to lose her and
be fully loaded. She's gone. The Canyons is next. Um, wait,
was that it's the movie she did with James Dan
like three years ago, the porn star. Wait, I was
also a rapist. Yeah, it's like he's not a thing anymore.
He's a bad person. She did this movie, and uh,

(38:18):
the article that was maybe it was in the New Yorker,
I'm not sure, but a really fascinating article by somebody
who basically like hung out on set and like watched
this travesty unfold and I do feel for Lindsay Lohan.
I think she's I feel very bad for her. She's
a casualty because she was delightful in a lot of

(38:39):
these Uh. I thought she was very very delightful in
this movie. She's talented. And and also I think that
this is a and and this has nothing to do
with feminism. However, so many people shine in their roles
that you don't usually see them shining, and it's like, oh,
this movie is very well written beause there are so

(39:00):
many actors that I'm very underwhelmed bying any other movie
who I just this part is written perfectly for them.
And then there's Amy Poehler who's just starting, Amy Poller,
just starting to peak. Thirty Rock hadn't happened, Parking Wreck
hadn't happened. She's still on SNL at this point, I think, yeah,
still in us now. And Tim Meadows is the best
part of the whole movie. His jokes, I think are

(39:22):
the best. When he's like, oh, keep your hair all night.
We can't keep him here past four. I'll keep you
here till four or the first. I have a mind
to get cancel the dance, but we've already paid the
DJ So I'm not going to do that and like, perfect,
you don't have to give a speech. Most people just
take the crown and walk off stage. Also, um, just

(39:46):
to objectify a man as great topless Tim meadows seen
or maybe it's well I think it felt it's close enough.
His arms. Yeah, he's totally built for a comedian. He's tone. Yeah,
I'm just like what, he's a toned man. He doesn't
have to because he's a comedian, but um, don't tell him.

(40:07):
Hopefully he says that way forever. Good looking guy, good
looking man. Yeah. No, we're not passing the back told time.
Shout out to Tim. Listen. Sometimes you've got to be
like this man who could be my father has a
nice bot. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's important for us
to object if my men now and then yeah. So yeah,

(40:28):
that is magic A large part of a large part
of our podcast, honestly because I want to watch. I
also want too, I watched, I haven't seen it either.
I wisht Yeah, that would be amazing. We I have
a fun fact about the Chippendales. What can I say?
It really clean? Okay, So, first of all, friend of

(40:49):
the cast, Sophia ben wat I love Sophia. She's the best,
She's the high Sofia, I hope you're listening. I say
hi to but she's She saw the Chippendale's not too
long ago and was regaling me about all the amazing stunts.
And I would god, I would love to see the
chippen nils life first of all. Second of all, to

(41:09):
the inventor of the Chippendales, there was oh god, I
can't remember her name off the top of my head,
murdered playboy model. Um. I used to work at Playboys,
so I knew a lot about this woman, whose name
I cannot currently remember. She's twenty years old when she
was murdered. Uh she uh was in a bunch of
Bogdanovich movies, or in at least one Dorothy Stratton Dorothy

(41:31):
Stratton shed It's an amazing it's a fascinating story. My
favorite podcast. You must remember this just did a really
good love You must remember this. Yeah, she's the season
finale of their Dead Blonde season. Anyways, she was murdered
by her husband, who knew he was losing her to
Peter Bogdanovitch. In any case, her husband also invented the

(41:54):
chippen nails. You know, he died in the murder suicide
and it was a horrible, horrible, horrible person. And it
came out later that he had invented the Chippendales and
never gotten any credit for it. I would just like
to say that my favorite podcast is the Bechtel Cast,
and sorry you must remember this is a very good

(42:15):
It's the Extreme via Joan Crawford Betty Davis. Run was
that was all about Joan Crawford, But then it had
this like, which, who is a very fascinating person? There's
I've been watching Feud at all, I haven't. I love
Malina Shadow, love a good Melina, beefcake, beef cake. Look,

(42:36):
I love a good Melina. Love the Malines. God give
me more Molina. I really read a think piece the
other day of like Alfred Molina, he wasn't given enough
to do. I'm like, well, no matter what, I agree,
watch him. What were talking? Oh, so that's what I
know about the Chipendales. Why were we talking about the
Jim and DALs magic Mike? And then we're talking about

(42:56):
tim Let Meadows being kind of belt and object buying men. Wow,
six degree is a really talking about male Strippers. I'd
like to shout out one of my top favorite movies
of all time, The Full Monty Oh Well. That was
a musical too, starring Patrick Well. I actually saw, Yes,
I saw like the off Broadway version of it in
State College, Pennsylvania, where I did go to college to

(43:17):
get one of my two degrees in films. Oh my god,
I hate bringing it up. I really don't like to
be the one to mention that I do have a
master's degree in screenwriting. But um, you know, sometimes someone
just so you're like the most qualified person to talk
about this movie. Absolutely not, no, you are, I have
I have, Well, we haven't. We never do our degree

(43:37):
check in anymore. But I still I still just have
people favorite podcasts and radio the people degree in public radio. Yeah.
I went to Everton and they let you do that there.
That's very cool. It was fun. Yeah. I didn't end
up actually doing it, but it was fun. I have
a b f A and TV writing, so I do
not have So I like have a degree, but like

(43:59):
not not to It's not not two degrees. Has anyone
seen Hard Candy with Patrick Wilson. Yes, I love that movie.
So I saw that movie for the first time, We're hard,
Dad watch yeah, because Patrick Wilson gets castraight on like
it's that's why it's hard to watch. She's also a pedophile.
He's a pedophile, but also Ellen Page. I never I

(44:22):
don't know, I think because I haven't ely big crushed
on Ellen Page and like I did, like we I
don't know how old she isn't that that movie, but
there's in life. She'd just remember being fucking like floored
by my She's cut off his deck and my dad
sitting right there. This is why did your dad take
you to see Hard Candy? We watched it together on

(44:43):
i f C. Why I don't know. I do not know.
I could not tell you. First of all, shout at
the DIFC. Second, why did you guys screen this? When
Jay made her dad, I think I like walked in on.
My dad went through real indie film phase, which I
think was he was just like this is where they
show breast on TOPI. My dad's only ever gone through

(45:03):
a James Bond phase, and there was about racing. My
dad likes movies about race cars, race cars, my dad,
and my dad writes about race cars. He contains multitudes. Really,
my dad that's my dad, like hobby, he's really really
drive race cars yet. My my dad, he used to
cover professional race car driving in New Hampshire, So I
used to go with him, what kind, what series or anything?

(45:25):
I it was it was NASCAR, and then it was
also like d really yeah, I remember that. There was
I forget what her name was, but there was a
female truck driver who don't think ever was a very famous,
but she was like my hero when I was so
because she was like this badass female pickup truck driver
and we go and I'd be loud and I'd be scared,
but then I get to touch her hand and it

(45:47):
would be exciting. That's awesome. Did you know one woman
in trucks? Raymond Bork kissed me? You know somebody named Yeah,
he's a famous hockey player in the Boston Bruins. He's
a legend. That's how I would name a hockey player.
A sketch, right, Raymond Bork. And then once when I
was a baby, there's a picture of me kissing my

(46:07):
little baby forehead. And then my dad was like that
was more important than her baptism. Raymond kiss my baby
borke tism my borkedism. Oh shout out to New England
hockey fans and yes, what are we talking about? Was
the podcast Who Knows Anymore? I'm enjoying myself Mike's Harder, Harder,

(46:32):
very sober right now. But in regards to I do
like that they plant the idea in young women with
this script that no one is just ever pure evil,
and Regina George is given some depth as to yes,
she is horrible and we see her do all this
horrible stuff, but then you see her home life and

(46:53):
you see I don't know, like when when I saw
this movie for the first time, the idea that a
popular girl had insecurities was something that had truly never
occurred to me. Um so in in that way, I
think that that was I think a positive thing for me.
Of it doesn't justify the behavior in any way, but

(47:14):
it also is just like, well, everyone has their thinks
that that they're concerned about, and no one is as
perfect as they whatever. Sure, I like that the main
female characters outnumbered the main male characters because if you're
considering all those people, yeah, I mean between Katie, Janice, Regina, Gretchen,

(47:36):
Karen and then likes Kevin Barry, we'll throw in there.
Those are like the main women, and then of the
and then you've also got like Regina's mom and Katie's mom,
and then of the main male characters who have the
most screen time, it's really only Damien and Aaron, Samuel's
a little bit Kevin, You've got yeah, and Shane omen principle,
Coach Car the principle, but those are all more secondary

(47:59):
or tertiary characters. So like we should say, Coach Car
is we're we're too some uhh um, which is hard
because they you know, they do not call that out.
And and that's like a weird little subplot that is
like we are saying, like there's a there's a lifetime

(48:21):
movie going on here, like where it's both racist and
excusing a pedophile. That is one of the things that
bothers me more about this movie, as these two characters
they're basically treated as the same character, and they don't
really speak English, so we never know, and they're just
like caddy girls who are being you know, manipulated by

(48:42):
the same pedophile, which is gross to me because something
like that happened in my high school by my middle
school track coach. Uh. Fortunately, I was a little bit
too young to be his type. But it's but yeah,
like it's somebody like that too. I don't know. Like
the way that that very very tiny storyline is handled,

(49:04):
it feels like normalizing that in a way that like
that's never resolved, and it's almost like, you know, the
coach looks silly, like I've been caught, but the girls
look silly too, and it's like, no, they're they're they're
the victims of this grown man who is the really
funny scene about don't have sex, but they're like the

(49:27):
hilarious irony where he's the guy who's like, never have
sex or he'll die, and he's so that is That's
one of maybe my least favorite part of this movie,
because at least most of the storylines are problematic but
at least handled with a fair amount of humor and irony,
but that one is pretty much just used as a joke.

(49:51):
Down to the Tip Meadows line of like step away
from the teenage girls coach car and it's just like
he's a rapist. Yep, they're is that? So throughout this
we're given the back story that Janice Ian was teased
and she's constantly being called a lesbian and a dike
and all this stuff, and then her moment of redemption

(50:11):
is when she's standing in the gym scene where she's like,
I guess it's because I have a big lesbian crush
on you. So that where at lands as being a
lesbian is still like not good. And Janice it turns
out which you know, is not I think she is
not a lesbian or she's you know, we were never
given the exact story, but the way, the way that

(50:32):
subject is left is she treats being called a lesbian
very sarcastic, and it's an insult. The way it's because
every time Damien's like, oh, this is why she hates
Regina George so much, because she spread this rumor and
eighth great about and then she's like, dude, no, don't
say it. Like yeah, the idea of like anyone might

(50:52):
thinking that she is a lesbian is horrifying administration where
that truly could have Yeah, it made people social, It
made me a social pariah briefly of like wait you yeah,
it's just it's it's it's bad. It's bad. It doesn'tyone
have any final thoughts about the movie. I still like it.

(51:14):
I know that it has an h well in all respects,
but m I still like it. It's still entertaining. Does
the best bactal test does it does? Sure, there are
a lot of scenes where women are talking about a
man um, but there's a lot of scenes where they're
not um. Janis and Katie talk about other women that
you talk about. The plastics a lot, talk about Regina

(51:37):
George a lot they talk about. But then they also
talk about like friendship and and you know, things like that.
Katie and ms Norberry talk about math. The plastics talk
to it almost it sounds almost like a jokey passive effect.
The plastics to each other about you know, clothes, about

(51:57):
their bodies and how they're ashamed of them to some degree,
things like that. So plenty of scenes where the movie
passes a Bucto test. So hey, that's cool. Um, we
can rate the movie on our nipples scale. Let's do it.
We have a scale zero to five nipples where we
write the movie based on his portrayal of women. I'm
gonna give it. I'm gonna give it three and a

(52:18):
half nipples for the reason that I think that it's
a you know, it is not the fairness Bible. It's
a good place to start for young girls, particularly girls
growing up at this very specific time. I think that
it started a lot of important conversations, even though it
didn't handle everything perfectly, just seeing uh, major Hollywood movie

(52:42):
with mostly female leads is important. Does not do great
with race. This is not a very diverse movie. It
certainly has its shortcomings, but most of but by and large,
for your your average teenage girl, I think it is
a good place to start, and it is a good
movie to be in the el. And it also makes
me laugh a lot. Um. So I'll give a three

(53:02):
and a half nipples. Two of them belong to Miss Norbury,
one belongs to Tom Meadows, the one you can see
poking through Jim scene, and then the last half belongs
to an a gas Her because I love her. Yeah,
I don't get to see her enough movies. So I
think I gonna I'll go, I'll skew down a bit,
and I'll give it three nipples because while they all

(53:26):
sort of redeem themselves at the end, it's just a
movie of like ninety minutes of You're a slut, You're
a horror, I'm a horror we're all shitty and you're
a bitch and I'm a bit and spitches and just
like a lot of just women mistreating each other. And
I know the point of the movies to be like,
don't be like this, but I don't know. I think
if this movie was remade or a similar movie was

(53:48):
made today, I would hope that it handles a lot
of the things that this movie does not handle well.
I would hope that it handles those things better. So, hey,
I'm looking forward to that movie. Maybe I'll write it.
Maybe I'll use my master's a green screenwriting for good
for once in I use it for life. You use
it for good all the time. Thing every time we
turn on the mic, and every time we open a

(54:10):
MIC's hard. And so yeah, three nipples, um, Two of
them belong to Aaron Samuel, who I looked up on
Twitter and I was like, man, this guy is still cute,
so good for him. He seemed he seemed like a lifer. Uh.
And then the third nipple I'm gonna give to Damien

(54:35):
because I love Damien. I like, oh, I will say
that I liked that he and Jane's wear the same
like purple tuxedo. I like that she's sort of subverb. Yeah,
you know, the typical I'm a woman, I have to
wear a dress. No, she's gonna wear a tuxedo. I
also just laugh man, when Damian sings beautiful A great moment,

(54:57):
he held the shoe back with them, and then it
gets to get a shoot thrown at him, and then
that he whales it right back at the guy. Well.
The other thing I like about this movie that I
noticed is that, um, the reason they moved from Africa
to Evanston is that it's her mom who gets a
tenure at Northwestern, not her dad. Her mom. I forgot

(55:18):
that detail very quick. Easy and Beta Males. Yeah, yeah,
Katie's dad was with that grandmon podcast called Talking Beta
Males where toilways two women and there's a man sitting
there but he doesn't talk, but or he's a lad
but he can barely talk. Yeah right, and you're just like,
you may know, totally fine, work did it. We'll just

(55:39):
keep going you turn hang in. Yeah, that's our podcast.
Whenever we have a male guest, we only allowed them
to speak whenever we removed the muzzle from their face.
Very steampunky kind of muzzle. Yeah. No, Okay, Oh, just
episode reminder steampunk. No, no, no steampunk. We don't tolerate

(55:59):
steampunk here. Yeah, the final prejudice stands no step punk. Jenny,
would you like to write the movie? Well, the thing
is like, I really like, I don't think I can
be objective in any way. I love this movie. And
it's like, it's also like we didn't even talk about
what kind of a cultural touchstone in Spain as far
as like Mean Girls quotes like characteristic main factory and uh,

(56:24):
here's what I'll say. I don't know that this is
a great portrayal of women, but I think that this
is a great portrayal of white, wealthy, suburban teenagers in
the Bush era. This is a very faithful portrayal of
that specific kind of woman. If we see so much
of that, if we're just talking about that, then it's
five stars or five nipples, were not like two nipples.

(56:47):
And that's all I think this movie is. But yeah,
it is not diverse. It is not particularly sensitive about
women's issues. But it you know, we've over a decade
of other movies that have been made because and in
the wake of Mean Girls, and we have over a
decade of feminist media that's been made kind of in

(57:09):
the wake of Mean Girls. This was at the time
a really important and groundbreaking movie because we did start,
I feel like, having conversations about like the genuine, complicated
feelings of teenage girls. That was like the context we
were brought into the movie of like starting a discussion
with teenagers and their like no matter, because there were

(57:30):
a lot of teenage movies before that, but I think
a lot of them were like dude trying to fuck
in high school, and like there just wasn't a lot
of movies about like girl on girl bullying. Un told
this movie like that did seem like Heathers was the
other one, But Heathers has a whole other set of
things going on. Heathers is very unrealistic, and I felt

(57:50):
like Mean Girls was kind of a movie that did
more to me. I feel like I feel like the
generation after us, we'll be able to see mean girls
clearly and have more weren't the way that I feel
able to separate myself from Heather's. Someone in generation after
me will be able to separate themselves from mean girls.
But yeah, it's like too it's too embedded in. I

(58:11):
feel kind of that way about Clueless too, where it's like,
I'm sure if I could step back from it, I'd
find things to dislike. But as it is, I think
it's um right, a literally perfect film. Blue This is
literally perfect. Hey, listen to that episode of ours. Had
you guys not already done it? That thousands? Because I
can recite that movie and that's that's yeah. I know
what you're thinking is it's like an axiom, a commercial

(58:33):
or wet But I actually have a way normal life
for I mean, I get up and I pick on
my school clothes. Dad is a litigator that keep it rolling.
Even Lucy I made is terrified of him. He gets
paid five an hour dollars an hour to fight with people,
but he fights for me, with me for free because
I'm his daughter. That sounds rights right. Caitlin can do

(58:53):
that with Pirates of the Caribbean embarrassed to him. I
can do that with probably fifteen different movies, Back to
the Future being one of them, with the Robert Durst documentary. Yeah,
that's fucking amazing. People don't like you when you shave
your eyebrows, you look weird. End of episode. Well, we're

(59:18):
all friends now, and we're not mean girls to each other.
We're nice. You guys are. Maybe it's because we're all
in our twenties, all of us, not none of us
are about to be thirty one. It's just we're all.
Caitlin's triggering herself. You're going to be okay. No. I
actually am very proud to be almost thirty one because
as a woman of advancing years, I feel great about it.
You're a woman of advancing, You're you're a badass person

(59:42):
and you're great. Thank you need to call yourself advancing.
I mean they're advancing. You are. I mean you're advancing,
and we're all advancing. We're all advancing in our in
our ways. I'm fourteen years old and I feel great
about it. You're doing so well for fourteen, So excited
to before. Thank you so much for being here. Anything
we'd like to plug or is or we find just

(01:00:03):
follow me on Twitter at Jenny Jaffee. Perfect. Well, thank you,