Snakes on a Plane

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Bechdecast, the questions asked if movies have women
and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zeph and Best
start changing with the Bechdel Cast.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, Jamie, Hey Caitlin, I have had it with these
motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I wish I had a snake really like that. No,
I'm not kidding. I have a snake tank.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah. I went through my snake face and then I
just it turns out I'm afraid of snakes.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I too, am afraid of snakes. I would not want
one as a pet personally.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Friend of the show, Maggie Maye, this is gonna be
a loose episode, but it's also gonna be a very
serious episode.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's so serious.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Don't underestimate how much text there is to discuss. Maggie
may Fish front of the show has a snake, yes,
and her snake outgrew the tank, which is a terrifying prospect.
IUSSI believe your snake is named Jeff. That's in which
I think is very cute.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Jeff a snake and she was like, hey, you know,
Jeff outgrew the tank. If you want, if you want
the old tank, and so I still have the tank.
I still but now it's like I have two cats
and adult you know, like, am I really gonna add
a snake into the mix? It just feels like a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I mean, it's not a big apartment. According to the
movie where watching we're discussing today might be dangerous, it
might be a little scary.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I was honestly, Okay, first of all, welcome to the
Bechdel Cast. This is uh, this is in like sort
of for like content warning, and just like I just
want everyone to sort of prepare themselves for like a
sort of serious episode today.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, there's a lot of like just upsetting things to discuss.
There's a lot it's yeah, things are gonna be a
little grim yeah today.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
And it's it's gonna be you know, it's not gonna
feel good. But I think it's a conversation that I mean,
I don't know, maybe it's over correction to apologize, but
I feel like we've been avoiding this conversation in a
way that is irresponsible to our listener base, who like,

(02:14):
we appreciate and we care about you so much, and
like you've been asking us to sort of speak to this,
and we were just like trying to get the words together.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
And it's, yeah, we we should not have been silent
on this matter, this matter being discussing the movie Snakes
on a Plane two.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Thousand and six. I'm like, I don't I'm like, how long?
How long do we keep it up?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I genuinely don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Sorry, Oh, I should not be laughing. He sound like
you're truk serious.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's not funny.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's not funny.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
So I guess to open with an apology, and it
came from a place of kind of I agree with
the criticism that said that it was coming from a
place of fear and avoidance on our point, but in
our defense, I think it was also like, yeah, when
people started asking us to comment on this, I don't
think we knew ourselves well enough to really be able

(03:17):
to intelligently say, like, if we had done this, even
you know, three or four years ago, I wouldn't have
been able to see the shades of gray in the text.
I would have gotten it all wrong.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Maybe even three or four months ago. Like there's been
a lot of growth recently on our parts. I don't
even know.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
If we could have seen the snakes three or four
of months ago, the movie would have been really confusing
if we saw the.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Movie is called Snakes on a Plane, but I don't
see right. But now we know what is there, and
what's there is snakes on a plane, and certainly.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
More than one.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
There's plural snakes a lot.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I was genuinely shocked to find that there were four
hundred and fifty real snakes on set.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Because to me, they're all cgi.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I saw one shot of a I was like, oh,
that's a snake, and then the rest were yeah, like,
you know whatever. My final animation project in college of
a snake going hasasa. That's this, Uh, of course this movie.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Look, you asked for it, Well, that's the other thing, Like,
this is our number one request. Yes, this is at
the top of our request list. I think every listener
at one point has requested, nay demanded, we do this movie.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I agree, and I think, and it's honestly, I mean,
for those wondering, in case it's not obvious, this is
part of the reason we like the show even exists.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I approached Jamie like, yeah, eight and a half nine
years ago whatever, and I was like, yeah, it's really
important to me. Like we're not going to be ready
to do it for a long time, but it's like
having having the foresight to know that like this needs
to be discussed through an intersectional feminist lens, and that

(05:11):
we have to just sort of build up, build up
our brand, yeah, build up our knowledge, and get to
a point where we can discuss this movie.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I was kind of like, honestly taken aback at
the time, where you know, you led the conversation by
being like, I have not heard anyone talk about intersectional
feminism in which is wild because we didn't even really
use that term then, but yeah, intersectional feminism in the
movie Snakes on a plane, right, And I was like, okay, okay,

(05:41):
well we should try to talk about it. And then
you said well and then you put your hand on mine,
which was was you didn't ask for consent. But it
was twenty sixteen. We were still figured stuff up.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, Jamie not, you know, we were viving the signals,
were there were signals you're vibing.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
We were look, I'm not I'm not calling you. I
loved it. I loved it.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
For a second.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Thank you, But yeah, you put your hand on mine
and you said, well, I don't think we're going to
be ready to talk about snakes on a plane for
at least eight years. And I was kind of taken
aback because that's a big commitment. But yeah, you know,
I don't regret a second of it. I think that
we needed every single second to get to where we
are now, so that we I mean, honestly, I think
we could have taken even longer, but it was just

(06:22):
you know, our inboxes are overflowing. They're like now more
than ever, please please talk about it. And I think
it's time. I think it's time that we talk about
it's times.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
And the other thing about it too is that like,
because this whole podcast has been leading up to this,
there's like really not much reason for us to go on.
So this will be our last episode.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, and so if you've been a listener for you know,
the better part of a decade now, like we're so
grateful for your support for your patients with us as
we continue to grow to a point where we could
finally have this discussion, and.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
We're grateful and were snake ful. That was not a
very good joke, but again, this is a very serious episode.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I think it's you need levity in an episode like this,
That's true, true, I feel like I'm on the verge
of tears. But you know, for old times sake, if
you're a first time listener, this is the perfect episode
of this show to start with.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
This is the Bechdel caste sorry again, sorry to laugh.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's a response to fear. It's exactly wild that people
aren't laughing more in the movies. Snakes up way, I
think I do mean that. But the Bechdel Cast it's
a show where we look at your favorite movies, you know,
using the Bechdel test as a jumping off point for discussion. Kaitlyn,
I mean just as a sendoff, would like the folks

(07:47):
at home know what that is.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, I don't modify it a little bit for the
sake of this episode. So the Bechdel tests, there are
many versions of it. For this episode in particular, do
to snakes hiss at each other about something other than
another snake, and it has to be a really significant

(08:10):
like hiss for it to pass. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, And I felt like, you know, by that matric,
and shockingly by even more conventional metrics. This movie does
pass the Bechdel's House and more than once, which was frankly.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Shocking, so shocking.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
But I do I feel ready to I just feel ready.
I feel ready to jump in.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, what's your what's your relationship with this movie? Jamie?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Nothing. I have no history of this movie. I remember
that it came out on my birthday when I was
in middle school. WHOA, yeah, it just came out on
August eighteenth.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, it did.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
It came out on my birthday in middle school, and
I remember wanting to see it, but unfortunately I was
in middle school and I could not go see it.
And I just remember, I don't know if I like
held it against the movie, but I never saw it.
Like I was just like, fuck this movie. I'm thirteen,
I can't go. And it's always like I feel like

(09:12):
I always remember when a movie, especially when I was young,
came out on my birthday, Because The Master of Disguise
came out on my birthday, The Iron Giant came out
on my birthday, Snakes on a Plane came out on
my birthday. You just remember, you know, when your birthdays
on a Friday. These are things that stick. Do you
remember a specific movie coming out on your birthday.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I think the movie Troy WHOA Okay came out on
my birthday, but I might be full of shit. Let
me see Troy release date. Oh it was closed. It
was May fourteenth, Okay, two thousand and four. There you go,
so a few days off, but it's like it came out.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
The week and you just remember, especially when you're too
young to see the movie. This was the ultimate example
of this for me, because you know, did The Master
of Disguise come out at least close to my birthday? Yes,
but I was the Targe audience and so I could go.
But Snake's on a Plane, Yeah, I just had never
seen it.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And well, I think another reason you were avoiding it
probably is because it is such a heavy text and you.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Could sense that from the marketing, and so I think,
you know, probably you know, I love my parents, They
were great parents, and I think they were probably like,
she's not ready, And honestly, at that time they may
not have been ready to see I mean fair what
took place. I will say, this is my first experience
with Snakes on a Plane. I was really genuinely interested

(10:32):
in the like micro lore around this movie that I
wasn't aware of because it's like, yeah, my other podcast
is all about internet history, and this movie was is
way more entrenched in like early two thousands internet history
than I realized, and in fact, like content in the

(10:53):
movie is influenced by how people talked about this movie
on the Internet, which I can't I'm sure that there
are examples, but I can't think of an example pre
dating this where it was like the movie got such
hype on the Internet that they went back and did
five days of reshoots to reflect that hype, which is
like the level of insecurity that must require I can't conceive.

(11:17):
But at the time, I'm sure it made sense of
like because you know, in the mid two thousands, they're like,
oh my gosh, if we you know, capitulate to fan desires,
this movie's going to do great. And that mentality happens
to this day. It's why the last Star Wars movie
was bad. I'm pretty sure, right, it's because people just like,
you know, all the Star Wars people read Reddit boards
and they're like, oh, let's just do that, and like,

(11:39):
but Snake's on a Plane is a great case study
that that does not work. But I just I don't know.
I really enjoyed learning about the fact that this movie exists.
I really, I mean there and it is an interesting
like it's really two thousand and six. It's just two
thousand and six. Boy is it always good and bad?

(12:02):
And ways I can finally see after you know, doing
the show for a decade, I like, I can really
get into the meat of this right. And look, we
were talking about this before we started recording. If the
goal of a movie is to be entertaining, this is
the best movie in the world, because there is not
a second where I wasn't like i' it really took

(12:27):
me back to I'm trying to remember. I think it
was like Taken was the last time that I felt
like this watching a movie for the first time because
I was in but I was in a full theater.
I saw Taken when it came out.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Brag.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
But you know where whenever something happened, you would just
be like what, like, you know, would you say you
were taken?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Aback?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I was taken in?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Were you snaken a back?

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I was? I was snaken in? I was snaken the back?
I was snaken to another place?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Can you snake me higher?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You win?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
You win, you win, that's you win. Remember that Creed
song I do.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Uh wow, now we're really in two thousand and six. Yeah,
but like watching this at home on Peacock at one
am is how this movie is best watched outside of
in a full theater. In two thousand and six, I
had the best time watching this damn movie.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I'm so glad to hear that. Because I was watching it,
I was like, oh no, I I might owe Jamie
an apology for insisting not necessary do this. But I
was only doing it because because all the listeners again
demanded we we cover this. It had nothing to do
with my personal no desire to cover this.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
No, absolutely not, and I but no, no, no, you
know I think that it's it was brave of you
to because I took some convincing. But I'm just I'm
so glad that we finally took the leap. What's your
history with Snakes a Plane?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I saw this movie in theaters jealous in two thousand
and six. I went with my best friend at and
oh boy, we we just had quite a time, and
we had an even better time. I think with the
credits song the.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Wait tell me more, basically just.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
That we would play it all the time, okay, and
kind of your I Frankensteed, Yeah, it might be. I
watched the video to the Cobra Starship song Oh my God,
that was written for this movie, and the song is
called Snakes on a Plane parentheses bring it. I think

(14:48):
I should know because I listened to it. I don't know,
but I just thought it was the best song of
two thousand and six, and I watched the music video
on repeat. I also had like a crush everybody in
the video.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Wait, what was the music video? Like I this is Uh,
I'm out of my depth here.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Oh my god, I have not seen the to you
to make sure they start.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Playing music video? Should I pull it up?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah? Maybe it is. Basically I watch it's four members
of Cobra Starship.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Uh, and what was their big was their big hit?
Good Girls Go Bad? Or Am I thinking of a
different I make them good?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Literally only know about this band in relation to this song.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
I'm right. Oh, I kind of hate that. I'm right.
They Yeah, they did Good Girls Go Bad?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, Okay, the music video is just the members of
the ban because I think there's been various members of
this musical group. The Ones featured in the music video
is Gabe Support of William Beckett of the Academy, is
Traviy McCoy of Jim Class Here.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Oh, Travy McCoy. Yeah, sorry, I love Taving McCoy.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
And then Maya iverson of the sounds. Not familiar with
that group, but anyway, it's like this amalgamation of different
musicians from different other bands.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
And then I'm oh, so it's Cobra Starship is a supergroup.
I guess I didn't. I don't know anything about it.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I don't know anything about it either.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I just knew they were on like the Gossip Girl
sidetrack or something. Okay, so I'm watching it on mute
right now. Yeah, I'm getting the side part vibes, the
side part vibes, the wallet chains. Yeah, everyone's killing it. Wow.
I love young Travy McCoy. I don't know anything about
him from the last fifteen years. Hopefully he is in

(16:43):
a bad person, but you know, with two thousand and six,
we just don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
We just simply we just don't know. Anyway. Wait, this
music video is fun and the song slaps so hard.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
All the outfits are so ugly. Everyone, I mean It's
so wild looking back to it, because like, just this
whole decade is just full of some of the most rancid,
bizarro ways you could possibly dress up a person. I
look at pictures of myself in high school, and I
was like, why do I look older than I currently am?

(17:14):
Like I was wearing you know, like sensible vests, but
also like a push up bra that was like lying
to a degree that was absurd. Like I it was
I had like really overplugged eyebrows, but also yet a
sensible mother's haircut. I'm like, what is this? Like, what

(17:34):
is this? Why do I look forty five and yet
I'm you know, fifteen. It's bizarre.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
It was a confusing time. Yeah, and all this to say,
I saw this, I would call it a cinematic masterpiece
in theaters and I really just felt the weight of it.
And I've been carrying that weight around for and it's
time to following nineteen years.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
It's time to you know, release.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Really, this episode's gonna be very cathartic. It's gonna finally
give me that chance to release, to release the venom
that has been coursing through my veins from this movie
for nineteen years.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Which in the movie I associate with Venom. Is that
horrible Eminem song that he did for the credits of
the movie Venom, a movie I haven't seen, but I
think that the end like like you with this song,
the end credit song by Eminem to Veminem is so
funny because it is eighty percent him being He goes

(18:39):
like venim meim met him, met him, and that's like
most of the song.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I need to listen to this.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
It just cracks me up. It was on the radio
for forty five seconds because it was like one of
the most annoying because you know, and it's like an
Eminem He's like, look out because I'm gonna hit you.
Look out because I am scary. And then wait, the
most half assed song I've ever heard in my life

(19:07):
is great.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, consider this Eminem vmin M Venomon.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Vanomenamminemm venomin m Yeah, venomenon.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
All right, we can end the show now we figured
it out.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Goodbye.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So okay, you have a kind of beautiful connection with
this movie, I would say, so it does seem like
you and JT. Artist snakes in a plane as me
and my friend Jake are to I Frankenstein in a way.
I mean, have you rewatched it very much?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
No? This that was my only time seeing it.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Okay, so I guess that's the difference. That's maybe the
difference since I've seen I forgot Sam probably twenty ten. Yeah, okay,
but this, I mean, I'm excited to talk about the
history of this movie, but it is such a dense
text that I feel like, you know, we should probably
just get into it. Get into it. Yeah. This movie
was also originally called Venom.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
It was, and then it got changed to some like
clunky title like Pacific Airways Flight one twenty one, and
then Samuel L. Jackson demanded that they change it back
to Snakes on a Plane because that was the working title,
which was like, I love that, surely going to get changed,
and then he was like, no, you motherfuckers, change it

(20:18):
back to snakes on a Plane.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
And it's also Samuel Jackson's uh not fault accomplishment that
this movie is are not PG. Thirteen because he's like,
there cannot be a single there can't be just one
fuck in this movie. Because I need to say this
line I love like I because the way I'd seen
this movie framed in I don't even know. I mean,

(20:41):
I can't even single out a specific moment, but it's like, oh,
this is like a fun, campy kind of flop moment
for Sam Jackson. But when I heard him talk about it,
I'm like, he knows exactly what he's doing. And he
was just like, it's a B movie and it's fun. Yeah,
And you're like yeah, and then you watch it and
you're like, that's exactly what this is. This movie knows

(21:03):
exactly what it is. Yes, no one here thinks they're
in a better movie than they're in.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I don't know what you mean, because it's the best
movie ever made.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
But they all think they're in Citizen Kane, and they are.
It's what I'm saying, Yes, yes, yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Okay, let's take a quick break, a quick snake break.
Ooh scary, and we'll be right back. Okay, we're back
from our snake break, and here is the recap of

(21:41):
snakes on a plane. We open in Hawaii. There's a
dude riding around on a motocross bike and he comes
upon a man who's hanging upside down from a tree.
He's all bloodied, and some bad guy, including a famous mobster,

(22:03):
named Eddie kim Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I already have so much to say because this first scene,
I was already like, this is gonna be so such
an awesome movie to watch because it is the first
ten minutes well, I don't even know. The first five
minutes of this movie is just.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Motocross, motocross and surfing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, And you're like, and I guess the sort of
question is who is that. I was like, if this
is Sam Jackson, I'm gonna freak out. But it wasn't him.
It's actually some guy who I will refer to throughout
the episode as not James Marston, because to me, it
is very clear that that was the vibe they were
going for. James Marsden and James Marson weirdly would have

(22:49):
been a good pick at this time for that role
because he was doing like some prestige supporting like you know, oh,
you're the second in command to Sam Jackson, Like it
would have made sense for him. Maybe he read it
and was like no, no, he might.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Have read the script and he's like, this is actually
too good. I will not do it justice and I
should just step away.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I should give it to some Australian guy, which is
what happened. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know who can
account for what happened. I love that part of the
reason Sam Jackson did this movie is because he did
not read the script.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
You agreed to it based on the title.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
He did based on the title and the director who
did not end up directing it, So he kind of
got hoodwinked into doing this. But okay, the first scene,
the amount of expositional dialogue, which is like one of
my favorite things to see in a B movie. I
watched the first the opening scene twice because, first of all,

(23:48):
this Australian actor Nathan Phillips. I don't know anything about him.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I hope you know.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm not even sure
he's a nice guy, but he's a you know whatever.
I don't know a thing about him. But consistently throughout
this movie, I don't know if they this actor has
difficulty looking scared, but he never seems scared enough for me.
Like he sees a horrific like a guy falls from
a bridge and he goes like that is it, And

(24:13):
that's about like the peak of fear that this performance has.
But anyways, okay, Eddie Kim comes in, Eddie Kim, as
far as I'm concerned, batting a hundred oh yeah for
the few times we see him, the guy hanging from
the bridge upside down and says, fuck you, Eddie Kim.
You're always gonna want to address your assault or by
their full government name. Exactly, easy, great first line of

(24:35):
dialogue to the movie, fuck you, Eddie Kim. And then
Eddie Kim is going to match his energy and give
an absurd amount of exposition. He's gonna say, well, look
at you, mister prosecutor. Always important to say the job
of your victim as you're bullying them. Yes, he includes
more detail about him than is even relevant to his character.

(24:57):
Then again, I was raised by a single mom, and
I was like, now why do I know this? And
then and then clean this up. I'm going back to
la important to say where you're going. And then I
was like cracking up at that. And then we cut
to a news broadcast that repeats all of this information,

(25:17):
which was I was like, this movie has no faith
in the audience whatsoever. We cut to a news broadcast
that's like, last night, criminal Eddie Kim killed a prosecutor,
and now he's going back to la just like, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Also, this thing with Eddie Kim played by an actor
named Brian Lawson. By the way, he was great.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I loved every second of him.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Amazing. In this world, Eddie Kim is the most famous person.
He is like a list celebrity. Everyone knows who this
mobster is. He is world renowned. Anytime someone says, oh, yeah,
I'm testifying against Eddie Kim, they're like, oh my god,
I know exactly who that is, and that's so scary.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
The two celebrities in this world are Eddie Kim and
three G's Three G's Yeah, not three G's, poor three G's.
I like the actor who had to play him. I mean, yeah, yes,
the germophobic rapper three G's, which is a fun concept.
But we'll circle back to.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Three G's get there. For now, we're on Eddie Kim.
He shows up to kill mister Prosecutor, who I guess
was like trying to take down Eddie Kim and his associates.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
But then again, Eddie Kim was raised by a single mom.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah right, okay, So Eddiekim kills the prosecutor. The motocross
dude his name is Sean played by Nathan Phillips. He
witnesses this, and so he bails by running away on
his very noisy motorcycle that all the other mobsters notice.

(27:01):
So they the minions, Sorry is how I should address them.
Eddie Kim's minions go looking for Sean and they're about
to break into his apartment, and.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
He was again is really failing to look appropriately afraid
of what's happening to him. He's just again like I
kept I kept putting the movie because I was watching
it with Grant last night, and I kept putting the
movie on mute and try to like score this guy's
performance because if you put it on mute and you
just make the hand like that's that's what he's evoking. Yeah,

(27:32):
there's literally armed hitman at his door, and he's like ah,
oh no, oh no, doesn't move away from the door,
just keeps looking through the keyhole. I'm like, yeah, fella,
you're in trouble.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
It's interesting. Yeah, So he does try to eventually like
get out of his apartment when who appears but FBI
agent Neville Flynn played by Samuel L. Jackson, and we're like, yes,
he rescues Sean and brings him in for questioning and

(28:07):
tells Sean that he needs to fly to LA to
testify against Eddie Kim so that they can throw him
in jail. And Sean's like, I don't know, sounds dangerous.
There might be snakes on the plane from Hawaii to LA.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
And they're like, hmm, no, that would never happen.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
That would never in a million years.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
So we cut to the Honolulu airport. Several passengers are
waiting to board a plane that may or may not
have snakes on it. Passengers include a rapper named three G's.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
This reminded me so much of have you I forget?
I'm gonna make us do it for my birthday month
if I remember. But have you seen Old.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Old No? I still have not.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
There's a I would say worst written famous rapper character
in that movie.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
The character's name is mid Size Sedan. Oh my gosh,
I remember, yes, And he is not a rapper with germophobia.
He's a rapper with hemophilia. And so you can see
how like cinema INFLUENCEDS cinema. And I just thought that
that would be an important thing to point out. But
I was, you know, just a really broadly poorly written

(29:30):
rap character by the least cool man, and I mean
not to knock am my child. I love that he's
done cool, but someone who is not qualified to write
a cool rapper character and then is like, no, no,
this makes sense and gives you know, just the most
half assed I mean, mid sized sedan is more half
ass than three g's, but three g's is pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
He wrote a song that seems to be about making
that bootygo thump.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Oh, booty go thump.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Of course, bootygo thump, and I respect him for it.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
I just you can just like hear the two like.
I was actually surprised that the men who wrote this
movie were younger than I thought. They're in their early thirties.
I was like, then, why does this dialogue so like they?
When three gus is introduced, and also Keenan Thompson is
one of his longtime friends Slash Security detail, they call

(30:28):
him like the Howard Hughes of rap, and I'm like,
who is that line for? I don't like that's that
line is for a very old man, Like why are
they saying that? Unless unless I am mistaken? And young
people in two thousand and six would have been referencing
Howard Hughes right and Left. It was just really I
was like, who wrote this damn movie? But it was

(30:49):
like fairly I mean, you know who knows who punched
it up? Maybe it was like a senior I mean,
with all due respect, a senior citizen was like, bring
up Howard Hughes. The people love Howard Hughes.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Here's my theory. The Keenan Thompson character whose name is Troy,
I believe his favorite movie is The Aviator. So he's
just like watching The Aviator right and left. He knows
all about Howard Hughes, and he's he's just making references
to that whenever he can.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Oh, I mean that is true, he is the Aviator.
But like I was trying to learn about the screenwriters
of this movie, one is quite easy to learn about
Sebastian Gutierres, who would have been He's written movies too,
mostly not loved movies like gothaka Snake's claim. In any case,
he was fairly young. I mean he was in his

(31:41):
like And also he's married to Carla Guzino, who is
amazing Wait.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
From Spy Kids. Yes, wait, Also I just realized, so
The Aviator, Yeah, Keenan Thompson.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
He's not in that right, No, no, no, but okay.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
His whole thing is that later he flies the plane.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I was gonna say, I thought that was what you
were saying, That that was I planned and payoff that
he knows about aviation. But then the twist is he
actually doesn't.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
He doesn't. We'll get there, but no, the joke I
was trying to make is that The Aviator is about
Howard Hughes. So that's why he's like dropping that specific reference. Yeah,
you know, that's why this text is so deep and
heavy and difficult to talk about.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
We can't pretend to have the answers. No, but Sebastian
Gutierrez he is a Venezuelan writer director and he was
in his early thirties when this came out. Like, the
Howard Hughes line is not clocking for me from him.
The other writer is John Heffernan, but it's hard. I
know that he passed away in twenty seventeen, but I

(32:47):
don't know when he was born. And this is the
only movie he ever worked on. Wow, which is kind
of interesting. There's another story by credit, and this is
pretty cool to David Dallassandro, who was Caitlin Connection University
of Pittsburgh administrator and first time writer. But he started

(33:09):
developing this concept in nineteen ninety two, so it's also
very unclear how old he is. We just don't know.
It is wild to think that Snake's in a Plane
has been in development, was in development at least at
that point, at least as long as I had been alive,
because I would never have guessed it's giving thrown together

(33:32):
in six weeks. But it was actually a long.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Time anyways, That's how long it takes to write a masterpiece.
In any case, We've met three g's, the rapper and
his entourage to bodyguards, one of whom is Keenan Thompson,
one of whom is another guy we meet them. We
meet Mercedes played by Rachel Blanchard, who I recognize Flight

(34:00):
to the Concords.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I recognize her from Peep Show. Okay, she's uh yeah,
she is above this. But I have to feel like
the comedy actors, the comedy character actors we see in this,
I feel like I have to be in on the joke,
especially David ken Love, and he really makes a meal
of the.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Part of Rick Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
His whole character is he loves to sexually harass the
flight attendants.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
And that is literally his Nevertheless, he persisted moments where
he's on the verge of death, but he's like, but
even on the verge of death, I can still sexually
harass my coworker and you're like, wow, question.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, So he's there. Mercedes is there with her little dog.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Which because there was I'm so sorry there, but I
feel like every horror movie during this era had a
Paris Hilton insert parody character, and that is yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
She's there with her dog. There's a very rude British man.
He'll get his come upance, don't you worry.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Julian Margley's zionist piece of shit is in the chat
as well, but she's brunette, so she's gonna make it right.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
She's one of the flight attendants along with Tiffany. There
is a queer coded flight attendant, a man named Ken,
and then there's also an older woman named Grace. Those
are all the flight attendants. We also meet the co
pilot Rick played by David Keckner. There's a couple on

(35:39):
their honeymoon. There's a different couple who are very horny
for each other. There's a young mother with a baby.
There are two kids, brothers who are flying alone without
their parents, and I.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Love that they go out of their way to be
like and not just any parents. A soldier, You're.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Like, Okay, who was on the plane? How was he
allowed to be on the plane? And then I guess
he got off before the flight took off.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Like, I think that a lot of the a lot
of I mean this movie, being on a plane is
very inconsistent, I think because there's scenes that literally look
ripped off from Titanic, people trying to get up a staircase,
which planes famously don't usually have.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
There I think are some like really fancy ones that
have like the first class. I've never been on a
plane like that.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I was like, I had to google it. I was like,
is this made up? But like I really. Something I
thought was interesting about this movie is that once you
know how long it was in development, it makes sense
because clearly some plots of this are about plane travel
ostensibly before nine to eleven, and many are about after
nine eleven. And they're also kind of lifting I think

(36:53):
from Lost, which was like the most popular show on
TV at this time, and I feel like Lost without
being overly like dismiss it, but like, I think Lost
kind of ripped the band aid off culturally of like
we can have horror about planes again. Because after nine
to eleven, obviously this was something that was avoided. A
lot of movies were significantly adjusted, including two thousand and

(37:17):
two is Lilo and Stitch right in order to avoid
themes of plane crashes and peril on planes. For several
years that didn't appear in media. But then when Lost
came out, all of a sudden, it's like, and we're back.
But I think a lot of the characters. And I
say this because I just watched all of Lost and
got really obsessed, and I'm looking at my Lost toys

(37:39):
with my eyeballs right now.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
You have Lost toys.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I see those, you know those? My niece loves them,
like little Fisher Price little People toys. They made a
collector's Lost set and it's literally just baby Lost.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Uh huh, it's cute.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I have Baby Hurley here, Baby Jack, Baby Kate, and
of course baby John Locke, my favorite character. Anyways, this
was a very popular I was trying to like contextualize
why did this movie happen in this way. Yeah, but anyways,
nineteen I feel like the part of this movie that
was developed before nine to eleven had a soldier getting
all the way onto the plane with his children, because

(38:20):
that would never have happened after nine to eleven, right,
But then a lot of the I just thought that,
especially the character of the blonde woman with the baby,
felt very lifted from That's like Claire from Lost. There
are a few characters that are insert here from Lost
to me. Yeah, but maybe I'm projecting. It's not like

(38:40):
Lost invented blonde single mothers.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
I don't remember that character Unlost having a baby.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
He was important Aaron Aaron the baby and then the
others stole erin and then Dominic Monaghan had to go
save the baby.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Oh, because he had a crush on Claire. Is that
her name on Clare?

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, that's how she said her name. She's Australian, right
she was?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Okay? Was she the one who was like the sister
to the Ian summerholder character or is that a different
pairing of people.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
No, that's the other blonde. This is the thing talking
about of me? No, No, this is a This is
a and it's nothing against the actors. But this is like,
oh my god, watching movies from really most times. But
the number of blondes in this movie is quite staggering,
and also the like horror movie tropes associated with the blondes,

(39:34):
there's no subversion in this movie whatsoever. Juliana mark Leaz
is our singular white brunette, and white being an important
qualifier in that case, and therefore she's the only one
with a functioning brain, and all of the blonde women
are going to be variously damseled or slut shamed to
the point where we'll get there. But I just thought

(39:56):
it was I had to like pause the movie and
explain it to my fiance's my fiance, because that's what
should happen in more straight couples. Women should be explaining
movies to the men exactly. But I just thought it
was wild that we were introduced to so many blondes.
I was like, Okay, I'm going to assume the mother
will live, because being a mother is considered by films

(40:19):
to be worthy of life. Right, I'm gonna assume mother
and baby are gonna live. I'm going to assume the
woman who is Juliana Marglaz's friend who's wearing a skirt
shorter than Julianna Margallay's is going to be in peril.
Will either die or then get a boyfriend and live.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
That's the tiffanyru You're being validated.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
By a man. Tiffany, I'm assuming anyone over forty will die.
But but then the first woman who dies is the blondest,
most skimpily clad, horny person on the planet. Yeah, so
they're like, we need to find the blondest woman alive
and then kill her, kill her via a nipple butt.
It was just wild. Anyways, what's happening in the movie?

(41:01):
I just I'll tell you. He is a very rich text.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
It's so rich. So we've met most of the cast. Meanwhile,
in the cargo hold, there is a man, a bad boy,
a minion of famous mobster Eddie Kim, and he's spraying
this box of lays, not the.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Chips, the flower.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Necklasts, the flower, yes exactly, And he's saying, these pheromones
are gonna make these guys go crazy. And we're like,
these guys, do you mean the snakes that are on
the plane and he and that's what he means. Yeah.
The flight starts boarding with Sean and Agent Flynn and

(41:44):
another FBI guy, agent Sanders. I think I couldn't figure
out who that was.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
All I know about him is that, like he is
Sam Jackson's friend, and he's also divorced, and that is
what bonds them as adult man. Like they're like, we're both.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Divorced, they're both bad partner.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I die for him. You're like, okay, whatever, maybe that's
not that make friends. I don't know, no idea.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
So the three of them are the only people in
first class since like whatever, Sean has to be protected
or something, and so everyone else has to be moved
to coach. They've all been given a lay that was
riddled with snake pheromones, even though those lays were in

(42:28):
the cargo hole. But now when they're being given them,
like as they board the plane, they're in the airport.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, uh so there's some This is not going to
pass a basic snuff test of logic, which is fine
for a B movie, but the specific examples are very funny.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, if B movie stands for beautiful, brilliant.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Beautiful movie movie. My favorite bizarro plot hole is mid
plane crash in two thousands six. Sam Jackson is able
to send a high resolution photo via email from his
slip phone. Yeah, I love movie.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
That was awesome. Yeah it was great. Okay, So the
flight takes off and after a short while, a mechanism
is triggered in the cargo hold once the plane reaches
an altitude of thirty five thousand feet. So I reminded
me of speed where oh the bus goes fifty miles
an hour that you know, triggers the bomb whatever.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
So this triggers the snakes.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
This one triggers the snakes, and so a whole slew
of snakes on the plane starts slithering out from somewhere. Meanwhile,
back in the cabin of the plane, everyone is horny.
We got three G's and Mercedes flirting. We've got the
horny couple going into the bathroom to have sex, something

(43:58):
that the flight attendants think is awesome. They're like, who
you go.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Girl, which I was like, I uh, you know, I've
never worked as a flight attendant. I have one friend
who's a flight attendant. But that would have been like
a weird text descent to be like, do you guys
love when people?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I think I think they don't love it at all.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I would I think it's safe to assume, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
And I think it's probably illegal to have sex in
the bathroom of all plane.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Sure, But also I'm thinking, if I'm a flight attendant,
I'm like, unless it's posing a danger, I'm not going
to file a report, Like just please.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Get out of the bathroom. I don't know what I
would do in that situation, but you know, suffice it
to say that these flight attendants love so.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
The Mile High Club. If you're if your goal is
to join the Mile High Club, like you know, grow up,
grow yeah, get a you know, dream bige, come on, okay,
so grow up, get them Okay.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
So everyone's horny and they're releasing pheromones of their own. Yeah,
I don't know if it affects the snakes are not.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
But also as a young Taylor Kitsch is the guy
who I who's that didn't recognize? Well, thankfully I had
a man in the house to tell me he was
in Friday Night Lights, which I never would have known,
and he was also in a True Detective season two.
I mean, he's a pretty famous actor, but this is
like I think one of his early roles as like

(45:23):
he was also in John Tucker Must Die.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
This year.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I think he had had to sort of serve in
the trenches of himbo roles before he got real actor roles.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
I see, okay, and.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Good for him, But do I care?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
No? No, Okay, So we got all these CGI snakes
slithering through the plane. We are seeing things sometimes through
their green snake eye vision, which which.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
I did not fact check, but it literally looks like,
oh does snakes look like a snake vision? Like also
looking through a gun like it like like infrared a
sniper like. Maybe I didn't look it up because I
assumed the movie didn't look it up.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
So I don't know the movie didn't look up anything. Yeah,
I think, yeah, Okay, So there's like an enormous number
of snakes slithering throughout the plane. No one notices that
they're right there, They're under their feet, they're in their purses,
they're going up a lady's dress.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, in their defense, the snakes are computer giants. So
the actors made, you know, I think the actors I
made to be looking about like they're doing a bad
job when they in fact were just never told where
the CGI snakes are going to be, right, I fully
believe there's full sequences where they're like, just be asleep
on the plane. And then they added a CGI snake

(46:44):
sexually assaulting you, and there's no reaction from the actor,
just and we'll get back to her because she's done
as severe injustice truly.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Anyways, Yes, So then a snake who's on the plane
attacks the horny couple that are having sex in the bathroom.
Another snake on the plane comes out of a toilet
of a different bathroom and bites a man's penis.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Now, this is I've seen a lot of criticism around
this food and I don't know where to fall on it,
Like where this is like one of the first movies
that was really influenced by Internet humor. But I see,
I personally find out to be a stretch because B
movies have always been kind of influenced by lowest common
denominator kind of oh for sure. So I wasn't bothered

(47:31):
by it, but I did. The early kills in this
movie are really going for it. I mean the like
the blondest woman in the world being sexualized to the
absurdist degree that they could do without the movie being rated.
You know, NC seventeen. You know, she is punished for
being for having sex by a snake bite to the nipple,

(47:54):
and then cut to the guy takes his dick out
to pee and for those you know with penises, please
sound off in the chat. Do you also say how's
my big boy when you start to take a leak?
Because I thought that was delightful. I thought that was
so funny, as I grant you should start doing that

(48:17):
snake's in the toilet snake. Also, I noticed, unless it
was a computer, Glitch seemed to drink a little bit
of his piss.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Did not notice that I think he did.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
And then he jumps on and then he says, fucking bitch,
get off my dick. Is what he says to the
snake that's killing He.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Says the snake who is biting his dick off. Maybe
contrary to popular belief, I think that when a man
says hi, big boy to his penis that passes the
Bechdel test.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I see, the only time I would be saying hi,
big boy is when I'm walking into Bob's Big Boy
in Burbank, California. I'm passing the statue and I say hi,
big boy because that's his name. Yeah, but I did wonder.
I was like, Wow, you know cis masculinity is so twisted. Yeah,
any any any listeners say, hi, big boy, will they pee?

(49:16):
And if not, you know, let us know if it's fun,
Hi big boy. No, how's my big boy?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Which is even weird, how's my big boy?

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Initiating our conversation. Yeah, that was never answered because that
Penis was not long for this world. Usually I've assumed
that Penis would answer, Yeah, the early kills I thought
were the best, the kills they sort of got, except
for one that we'll come back to. The British guy.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Oh sure, yes, yes, yes, that was good. Yeah. Okay,
so the snakes are attacking, but it's like little by
little at first. Here we also see some snakes bite
some of the wiring. Yeah, which causes a bunch of
like electrical failures on the plane, which like sort of
doesn't really do any or didn't do anything. That was

(50:04):
clear to me because every time the plane starts crashing,
it's because the pilot is dead.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Right, But then that has always resolved by like when
someone would it's a big me laugh and not to
be overly didatic because it's.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
The B movie.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
But without fail, anytime the plane was crashing, it would
be resolved by someone who knew how to fly a plane,
be like put autopilot back on, and I was like,
surely they're in touch with base camp or whatever. I'm like,
why didn't they just say do that if that is
gonna solve Like even when David character almost comes back

(50:39):
from the dead, he literally like just put auto pilot on?
Why don't they just do that? Like how do Sam
Jackson not? And it's apparently just you know, I don't
know anything about flying planes, but it's a clearly labeled button.
Wouldn't you just press it?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
One might think you know.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
That the minions can land a plane better than these guys.
Think about that.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I do reference that later in my notes. Yeahk god,
thank god, Fret not Jamie. Okay, good, Okay, So the snakes,
the snakes are emerging. The pilot, not David Keckner, because
I think he's like the co pilot, the mister official
pilot who is an actor who I recognize from exactly

(51:25):
one scene from Josie and the Pussycats. Oh, he's the
guy who I think he might be FBI, but he
like comes in to pretend to bust escentially.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Have no fucking clue who was who in this thing?
Like I also was like, I again, this is I
don't know, but I was surprised that the FBI was,
Like I thought you had to be subtle about that,
you know, I didn't know you were like, we're the FBI,
clear first class. I'm like, does it is? I thought

(51:54):
that that would introduce like a safety vulnerability.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Right, shouldn't they be more covert? Remindminds me of that
that part in point break where Keanu's character who's supposed
to be undercover is like loudly introducing himself with his
like full real name, is like not being covert at all.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I'm just like, no, Like it's you know, and we're
supposed to believe this is the government agency that has
gotten away with killing MLK for half a century. I
don't think so, Like you gotta be a little better
than that. And also not to keep bringing Lost back
into it, but I've got a I'm a Lost fan,
Like they're one of the characters, and Lost is being
like escorted by a federal agent internationally in the pilot

(52:42):
of Loss and they're sitting in coach Because you're not
supposed to be really obvious about.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
That, right, there's another Oh my gosh, I forgot it's Kate.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Wow, Okay, there's a movie. Is it Midnight Run? I
always get this movie confuse with another movie. I think
it is Midnight Run, where like the whole premise of
that is. I think it's Robert de Niro's he's the
agent and Charles Grodin is the like criminal or whatever

(53:15):
under custody. And I don't remember what else happens in
that movie. It's been a really long time since I've
seen it. But yeah, there's whole movies with this premise anyway. Okay,
So the pilot he's in chosing the Pussycats as well.
He goes to fix the electrical problems that the snakes
on the plane have caused. But a snake, the motherfucking snakes.

(53:37):
The snakes on the.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Snake really make you wait for that line, They really do.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
But honestly, when it happens.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
It's worth it. Oh it's worth it, You're like, and
that is why Sam Jackson is a movie star.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, precisely. Okay, So a snake bites the pilot and
he dies, and the crew is like, darn well, let's
keep petting to La. We're over halfway.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
There that Okay, yes, I have I have notes on
just the bizarre. I'm like, they must have shot this
absurdly out of order. I'm wondering how many script changes
happened because the lack of reaction. There's a David Kector
read that just cracked me up. Wait where is it?
I have so many notes? Oh yeah, he first, like

(54:26):
the David. I think it's Rick, who's like I've worked
with him for decades.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, a decade.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
And then and then just is soullessly may day, may day,
may day, he has suffered a fatal heart attack. We're
gonna keep flying. You're just like, okay. And then there's
like just these matter of matter of fact readings that
made me laugh so much. Eddie somehow managed to fill
the plane with poisonous snakes. And you're like, yeah, sure,
because we haven't even gotten to Bobby Canavale. No, Bobby Canavale,

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the poor an addict.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Oh is he? I didn't know that about him.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
That's for a while, the only thing we know about
him is they're like, what are you doing watching his character?
Not his Oh I don't. I don't know anything about it. Sorry,
I mean his character Loves is not catching astray from me.
I don't know a thing about him. Love just working it. Tanya, Oh, sure,
he's in it for about one minute. But yeah, his character.

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I was like, he also seems everyone's kind of in on.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
The joke here, I hope.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
So he later says the line that's gonna leave a mark.
I'm like, he can't think this is going to be
a career to finding you know.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
You never know. Okay, so let's see the pilots dead.
Just then tons of snakes on the plane attack all
at once. A bunch of people get bitten and die immediately.
These are mostly like extras who we haven't really met.
We don't know them. Yes, but one of the little

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boys we do know gets bitten. One of three G's
bodyguards gets bitten, the one who isn't Keenan Thompson on the.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Ass ass introduced homophobic two thousand and six.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Side plot, Yes exactly. Let's see the woman with the
baby gets knocked unconscious. There's a part where the flight attendant, Grace,
she's the older one who's like about to retire, kind
of sacrifices herself to save the young woman's baby. Because

(56:30):
old women.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Are disposable and must die for the young. I really
loved Grace was a fun character. They did her dirty,
I know.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Meanwhile, Flynn is like zapping the snakes with his taser.
He's got so many weapons wand board. You know he's FBI,
but he brought all his weapons on the plane into
the cabin.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Again, very like pre nine to eleven plot point there.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Right, Eventually, the survivors who didn't die from this like
initial burst.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Of attacks, mostly blonde women.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Lots of blonde women, they managed to kind of like
barricade themselves into one area of the plane and block
the snakes using a bunch of luggage.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
I really, I mean again, you know, he couldn't have known,
but it is very bone chilling, saying like his first
suggestion being like we need to build a wall. You're
like that line is going to age extraordinarily poorly. Yeah,
and also the fact that he's an FBI agent with
a million weapons and that's his best idea. But whatever,
it seems to work.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
It takes them forever to get the idea to go
upstairs into first class.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
But then it's like Titanic, like it's the end of
the tame. They're like, ah, they cannot get upstairs in
an orderly fashion. The stairs break. It's like, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
It's around this time when the other FBI agent Sanders
dies from a snake bite. Also, he declares earlier his
fear of snakes. Yeah, so this is an especially bad
trip for him, and then he dies.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I love those moments in horror movies. We also get
a similar moment with Grace where they're like he was
my best friend. You're like okay. Like same with David
Kackner and the Pilot, You're like, well, I'm sorry, I
feel nothing at all, Like I don't know who this
person is.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Because the movie treats Agent Sanders death like it's this
deeply tragic moment that the audience is going to have
to like really pause and contemplate. But we're like, who
is who the fuck is this guy? Again? I don't
know him?

Speaker 1 (58:44):
The three deaths, I think we were supposed to feel
a way about where like the Pilot, the Partner and Grace,
and Grace was the only one and that was strictly
on the performance where I thought that was a very
charming performance, what a cool lady too bad she.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Died, So okay. Then Samuel L. Jackson uses the airplane
telephone to call his FBI buddy on the ground, this
is Harris, and tell him that famous mobster Eddie Kim
put all of these snakes on the plane in order
to bring the plane down to kill Sean so that

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he can't testify against him in court.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Amazing plan, to which again Bobby cana Valley has like
absurdly no reaction to, Like He's like, oh God, that sucks.
I paused his scene because we're told a bunch of
like Bobby canna Valley's stock character information where they're like
he's addicted to poor and he hates his children.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
And hates his children.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I paused his office to be like, what are we
supposed to be alread to hear? He has like a
bunch of bobbleheads of I think one was George W. Bush.
I think he had the Declarty of Independence framed in
his office. I'm like, what am I supposed to be
thinking about this man? But anyways, I was glad he
at least stayed in the movie, because I thought he
was just gonna be in that office and did all
of his scenes in like fourteen minutes because he just

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pays it around being like I hate my kids, I
hate like I love war, or like whatever the hell
is going on with him. But at least he goes
to a second location and meets like I wrote down
snake Tobias Funke is what it felt like to me,
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I see it, I see it. That guy's about
to show up, but yeah, before that happens, the young
mother knows how to suck venom out of a snake bite.
Oh my god, so she does this for that little
boy who got bitten.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Which of course has made a sex joke.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Oh my gosh, austing three gs entourage see her administering
like medical care to a child, and they're like, child
hubba hubba a wooga, I want her to suck me
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Meanwhile, this same character has refused help from a man
he thinks is gay, because fellas, is it gay to
survive a snake bite? Like just really ridiculous two thousand
and six nonsense going on, truly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
So meanwhile, Bobby Kinavale gets to work on finding a
snake expert. This guy, doctor Stephen Price aka VI expert
to k who figures out that there must be something
provoking the snakes to cause them to be so aggressive,
a pheromone perhaps, And I feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
He's like I felt Jurassic Parky a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Kind of well because there's such an emphasis on like
female reptiles, because he's like, well, female snakes emit a
pheromone and it makes the males very aggressive. So it's like, okay, great,
blame everything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
On creat the girl snakes somehow became women's fault, and
we got there. Yeah, I think there's a concept of
I feel like it almost ties into like, and this
is again very cis normative, but there are so many
sis men who write these kinds of movies, of like
the gigantic number of pussy monsters we see in horror movies,

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and and just using pheromones, like female pheromones as a
weapon also just feels very like seems like more of
a you prob that we see pop up in specifically
genre movies a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Sure, it's like, take the idea of the fem fatal,
apply it to snakes on a plane. Come on, bam,
you've got.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
A movie at very least oh single woman fights a snake.
Everyone else needs a boyfriend, but Claire evil Zionus. Claire
does fight a snake and then I we'll get to
the love story.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Because I was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Baffled by that. I was like, oh, I did not
see that coming. I was not into I was not
into it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah. I have a whole spiel on that as well. Yeah, okay,
So so the snake expert is figuring different things out
and they need to find a way to show this
expert what kinds of snakes are on board so he
can figure out what like types of anti venom to get.
And there's a whole scene where in two thousand and

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six they learn how cell phone cameras and email works
and they managed to send an email from like a
BlackBerry or whatever the fuck on the plane pre the
era of planes having Wi Fi or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
And also I'm like, I honestly I could I couldn't
tell you, but I'm like, I was unclear if the
power on the plane was even working at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I think it wasn't. I think that the snakes had
chewed through the electricity.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I really loved that plot hole. I thought that plot
hole was iconic. No no accounting for it. Ten out
of ten amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Then the flight attendant Claire discovers that the co pilot Rick,
this is the David Keckner character, is incapacitated and no
one's flying the plane and it's nose diving into the ocean.
So Claire and agent Flynn have to step in and
try to pull the plane back up. Allah that scene

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from Minions to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Exactly as Minions did it better Manian had more chemistry
with each other.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Oh, let's be honest, seriously. Yeah, okay. So meanwhile the
barricade of like just suitcases stacked on each other.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Amazing plan, good job.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
You won't believe it, but it falls apart.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Your tax dollars at work everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
And all the snakes are coming through and attacking people again,
including like the honeymoon couple. That mean British guy feeds
Mercedes little dog to the snakes, but the he gets like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Mary Kate, I think like Twins. I was like, it's
just so two thousand and six, it's exhaustive. The I
loved the rich guy death where the snake I mean,
because it had been a while since we'd had a
good snake death at that true thought. It was mostly
just like Oi Oi Oi and then we get the

(01:05:21):
rich guy's swallowed whole via his head awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
By what I would call a big boy snake.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Yeah, how's my big boy? Well, well he's he's hungry
and he's eating the mean man. I do appreciate that
he gets like instant karma killed, yes, because he like
feeds the dog to the snakes. But then he immediately
gets eaten by very satisfying something boa constrictor.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I don't fucking I was like, could that have even happened?
I literally do not know, and I none of my business.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Yeah, we're not scientists. Yeah, okay, So then everyone finally
goes upstairs to first class again unclear why they didn't
think of this earlier because that seems like a pretty
good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
And empty for like an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, then David Keector comes back to life and starts
piloting the plane again. He's like, oh, I'm fine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Yeah, He's like, I'm fine, and then he's like, sure,
you don't want to take your top off, babe, and
she's like, Rick, you're still yourself and he's like but
then like he puts the plane on auto pilot. Why
don't they just keep doing that? I don't know, I

(01:06:41):
you know, viewed as camp. That is an amazing moment
in the movie. I wonder so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I wonder if autopilot is sort of like cruise control
on a car. I don't know what autopilot does. Any listeners,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I don't know, and including if Keenan Thompson listening, well
he is, and he's anything like this character. If he doesn't,
he doesn't know either, so he.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Doesn't, okay. In the meantime, on the ground, Bobby Canavale
and the snake expert discover that most of the snakes
on the plane are indigenous to other continents, which means
that nearby hospitals wouldn't have the anti venom for those snakes,
and there's only one person nearby who would have what
they need, so they head to that guy's house in

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the desert. Back on the plane, this is when Grace,
the flight attendant dies, So it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Sad and there's all a lot of very like Hokey.
We learned this about Claire. It's her last flight before
she becomes a lawyer, and Grace is like it was
I just had to do one last flight from Honolulu
to la I'm like for what But anyways, she dies.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
It reminded me of Captain E. J. Smith on the
Titanic that was his last.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
It's a classic. I mean, it's a good trope to
be like, you know or whatever though, like it's my
last case and that's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Before I retire, Before I retire.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
That's like basically what Grace is doing. But then she
gets snaked. Sad but true, and then we learn that
Tiffany and her were really good friends. Question Mark. We
do not see that. I would have it would have
made more sense if the like male flight attendant was
grieving her because we only see them together, but we

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don't really get to see how he feels about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, okay. We also see a moment where three G's
goes berserk and he's like waving a gun around, but
he calms down and he apologizes. Also, the air conditioning
has stopped working on the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Plane, which is why he becomes so as homicides. I
think it's like implied that they're maybe running out of air,
and he's a germophobe, so like he wants fresh air.
But he's like, I'm gonna kill someone if I don't
get fresh air. You're like three gees sir.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's really goofy, and I would say it's
extremely goofy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
In fact, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Okay, so the air conditioning isn't working, so Samuel L.
Jackson has to go down into the cargo hold to
reset the breakers, which, if you're if you're wiring has
been chewed through by snakes. I don't know how. It's
not like that they tripped the breaker. Resetting the breaker
wouldn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Oh, I hadn't even thought about that. Well, in this
world it does. And this is also the moment where
it becomes like clear that he and Claire are vibing climbing.
It wasn't work because she was like, no, let me
go with you. I was like, what, Like, I know,
I thought it was more of a like a paternal thing,

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but apparently it's a fucky thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I did not sense that it was supposed to be
romantic until the very end when they're like, let's get
dinner later.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I have to believe that was added because it was
just like the no. I mean, you know, Sam Jackson handsome,
charming man, but it just like there was nothing planted
that made that make sense. The age gap felt very weird.
I was like, I don't believe this for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Who knows. Any Way, Samuel L. Jackson goes to find
the breakers in a scene that feels very similar to
a scene in Jurassic Park where Samuel L. Jackson has
to go and reset the breakers.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Oh my god, and it's also Samuel Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
It's also him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Although in Jurassic Park he dies doing this via being
attacked by reptiles, and in Snakes on a Plane he
lives and the reptiles don't kill him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
That didn't even occur to me. So that was a
moment that that was for the fans.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
That yeah, I think so. I wonder if that was
supposed to be an homage, but I don't know. Anyway.
Back on the ground, Bobby Canavale goes to the like
snake smuggler dude to get all the I don't know
if they even get the anti venoms from him, but
they just get a list they.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Get literally, he's like, I need a list of the
snakes on the plane. You're like what, And then the
guy's like, I swear, here's the list, and he's like
all right, thank you, and then he's fine, Like it
just was I loved it. I loved it the Bobby
Canivale sections, and they gave him so many goofy lines

(01:11:38):
in this sequence where they're like, what are you doing,
He's like, my job, and then and then he like
shoots the guy or whatever. He's like, that's good to
leave the mark. And it's just like Bobby Canavalle is
just not scary, Like he's not scary and he's not cool,
and that's why I like him. But like, I'm not
sold on this whole like hyper mask Bobby kind of

(01:12:01):
vallet like, no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Yeah, sorry, it's not doing it for me either. But anyway,
now that they have this list of snakes, they're like, whow,
everything's gonna be a okay, and so everyone kind of
just like breathe a sigh of relief. The sun is
coming up because by the way, this has been a
red eye flight the whole time, right, But then they

(01:12:24):
realize that the co pilot, David Keckner, died again and
no one's flying the plane again. But don't worry. In
the Diosex Machina of the Century, Keenan Thompson knows how
to fly a plane, so he's gonna land this plane.

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But wait, there's a bunch of snakes in the cockpit,
which is when Samuel L. Jackson says the best line
in cinema history. I have had it with these motherfucking
snakes on this motherfucking plane. And so to get rid
of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane, he.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Almost kills everybody and then goes to a safe area
with Keenan Thompson like, he just leaves everyone for dead,
including children, including a baby. Right, you couldn't have brought
a couple. You could have brought the kids with you
into the cockpit. They're like, no, best of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
They don't have the strength to hang on. Best of
luck in there, right, because what they do is they
literally shoot holes in the plane with Samuel L. Jackson's
FBI gun, which makes all the snakes go flying out.
Everyone has to hang on for dear life. And then
Keenan Thompson successfully lands the plane, even though we find

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out that the quote unquote flight experience he has has
all been via playing video games on PlayStation two.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
And this is kind of a fun moment. Keenan seems
to be having a good time. I hope so, because
otherwise was he doing here and yeah, they land the
plane just like the Minions did in sam Panpisco.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
That's so true, Jamie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Thanks. Remember when I said that at our show in
San Francisco and it got less than nothing. It was
like just a black hole of reaction. If you're at
that show, you should have laughed. Do you really let
me down in that moment? That that didn't feel good?
And I think about it often.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I'm sorry. I I think I reacted you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Oh you you laugh. I was like woooo yeah, which
almost emphasized how no one else was laughing because he
said woo. But I needed I needed to do in
that moment you were there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I really tried to be there for you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Okay, Well, they don't land in San pan Pisco in
this movie. They Oh how would the Minion say Los Angeles? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
I feel like they'd be like how so true?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
So true, And that's where they land the plane. Various
first responders are there to administer anti venom, and the survivors,
you know, they safely get off the plane. But just
as Sean remember him, No, he's about to get off

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the plane, but a snake bites him on the chest.
So Samuel al Jackson shoots the snakes slash Sean's chest,
which is fine because Sean was wearing a bulletproof vest
the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
And then he's now he's Tiffany's boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Right. There's a bunch of like forced hetero romances at
the very end, including a huge, big twist that Ken,
the flight attendant who the movie kept implying was probably gay,
has a beautiful girlfriend and he's straight after all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
And everyone, like all of his coworkers are like whoa.
But it was implied that they knew each other quite well.
I'm like, right, did they not know that he was
in like long term relationship? Also, like this is way
beside the boy But how did she get down to
the tarmac? Like that's a good that's a pre nine
to eleven thing. Yeah, yes, whatever, yeah whatever, you know,
that's not what this is about.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
No, And then the movie ends with Sean and Samuel
Willow Jackson surfing together in BALI question mark because that's
what Sean had been talking about wanting to do. The end.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yay, I loved it. I guess let's take it. We've
been taken a break in an hour and a half, we've.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Been recording for so long already and we haven't even started.
But yeah, it's time for another snake break.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
And we're back. We're back from the snake break. How
is your savait? How's my big boy?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Your big boy if you mean me?

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Hm?

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Great? Oh good? How's my big boy?

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
I'm doing okay, I'm I'm so. I'm like, we've talked.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
A lot about something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Movie. I don't yeah, I've like it's like we're even
to begin, Like, is this movie massages? Yes? Is this
movie racist?

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Is this movie homophobic? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Is this movie agist yes? Yes? Is this movie fat phobic? Yes? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
I can't really think of a single subversion.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
That happens, no, nor I yeah. Most attempts at jokes
in this movie are at the expense of a marginalized group.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
I think that the most extreme, the most frustrating example
of that to me, was the single woman of color,
yeah who. We don't know what her nationality is, but
she's the only woman of color. She's over forty, so
we're already like, this isn't going to end well for her.
She's not extremely thin, and so's she's made out to
be an alcoholic, you know, knowing that you're watching a

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snake slasher a movie. You're like, this woman is going
to be made to die in a very humiliating way,
for sure, And that is precisely what happens. She is
ostensibly sexually assaulted by a CGI snake and then has
her eye gouged out ultimately right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Even before that, So when she's like boarding the plane,
three G's fat shames her, right and then also fat
shames his friend Keenan Thompson and like talks about the
baby that they would make together, like it's just disgusting,
and then yeah, she sits down, she takes out a
flask and starts drinking from it. She's characterized as being

(01:18:45):
so oblivious that she doesn't notice that a snake is
slithering up her dress. And then she's one of the
first people to die, not the first, but no, very
gruesome death.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
And they really drag it out too, like they it's
multiple beats. We never learn anything about her. There might
be an implication that she's native Hawaiian. I'm not totally sure.
I just like any negative trope you could associate with
any number of marginalized groups is present in this I

(01:19:15):
think unnamed character because she's also traveling alone.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I don't even know what else to say. I mean,
that was like one of the things about this movie
that I was like, this is like deeply gross.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
And then outside of Sam Jackson, the only black characters
that we get to know are a like very broadly
written rapper and his two security guards. And so I think,
I mean, I don't know, Sam Jackson makes one reference
to race, not that I was like, I want this
movie to have more commentary about race, Like, you know,

(01:19:48):
I don't really that's not the job of Snakes on
a plane right now. But Sam Jackson is just playing
the stock FBI character he if nothing else, is not
defined by his race the course of this movie. I
don't think you can say that for three g's and
the key and Thompson character and the other character. There's
just so many tropes present. It's mostly lazy writing. Yeah,

(01:20:10):
But even the like the the later homophobia that comes
up where I think that often, especially during like this phase,
I mean, all men in film are very no homo,
no homo, no homo during this period of film. But
I think black men specifically are often made to be

(01:20:30):
made out to seem particularly homophobic and so I at
least and if any listeners disagree, please let me know.
I just it pinged for me that the overtly homophobic
comments were coming from people of color, because there was
one muttered comment from I think the one Asian man
we get to know on the plane, get to know

(01:20:50):
he's like coming back from a kickboxing competition, and then
gets a girlfriend. That's kind of all we know about him.
And then and then you know, we have one What
is the other character's name, it's not fair to call
him not Keenan Thompson, Keith Dallas aka big Leroy. Again,
just very lazy naming conventions here, but he is so

(01:21:11):
you know, he's for some reason, he's not fatally bitten
by a snake. I don't know why. Some aren't, some aren't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Well, the snake expert really clearly lays this out, Jamie,
where some of the snakes will kill you within minutes,
others within hours, and even others you can recover from
a venomous snake bite with just a good night's sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
It's almost like whatever the script requires can be possible.
But he gets bitten on his ass, yes, and then
there's this big homophobic beat of Ken, who's referred to
on scholarly journal Wikipedia as an eccentric flight attendant, which
I guess is that writer's way of saying queer coded.

(01:21:55):
But in any case, you know, venom needs to be
sucked out of a bite, but he's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Like, no home like it. You know, if a man
can't do it, that would be.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Too gay only for that character, that same character to
like like hama and ahamadahamana over like you mentioned earlier,
women sucking the venom out of a child snake bite,
so you know, very bad broad riding.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yes, yep, correct. I would say the way that Hawaii
is depicted in the movie, it's only for a few minutes,
but all we see is like touristy people doing touristy stuff.
There are, from what I could tell, no depictions of
Native Hawaiians or their community or culture, not that we

(01:22:44):
know of. Yeah, so it's just like a few shots
of like tourists surfing and then we get on a
plane with snakes on it. But yeah, shit like that.
It's shit like three G's grabbing a woman's boob to
sign it, just like assaulting a fan and then she's
like wow, like She's like, Wow, I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Loves every second it's It's so it's frustrating because it's
nothing we haven't talked about on this show, but it
is just like it feels like everything everything happens that
could possibly happen, and I feel like, at least Keenan,
I think Keenan's character gets a little more characterization strictly
because it's Keenan. That was my theory because Keenan was

(01:23:28):
already like a very well known, well loved personality. So
I feel like they gave him a character because it
would be a letdown to have Keenan time because I mean, yeah,
Keenan had already been on SNL for several years at
this point he joined, and L had been a dowser three.
Yeah Keenan and kel like he's a he's a generational talent,
Like you got to give this guy a character. But

(01:23:50):
I think that the other his like counterpoint, big Leroy,
which I did not realize that was that character's name,
but he really suffers as a result. And they like
almost doubled down on all of these just like lazy
tropes to the point where I think the last word
we hear that last line from that character is my
ass and you're like fine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
I mean in a different context that could be iconic,
but is here not out not so much.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
I also think the way that Asian actors were depicted
was not great.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Especially with like Eddie Kim and his his minions.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Right, which is it's like, I mean, I honestly have
just a wild dearth of information about Like, I just
have no interest in crime movies, mafia movies. I know that,
you know mafia movies. There's you know, people of all
nationalities can be in gangs whatever. For me, what was
clicking more was that whenever you would cut to Eddie

(01:24:54):
Kim outside of crime activity, he was like doing karate.
Like it just felt very broad, again, very broad Americanized
stereotypes around East Asian people were being just randomly applied
to these American characters like Eddie Kiss from LA. I
don't know, I just found.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
It bizarre, definitely. David Kickner's character also makes that gross
joke that's both racist and disparaging of sex workers. Oh
maybe I missed that one that I won't repeat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Blink and you'd miss an offensive thing happening in this movie.
I mean, also, we've touched on this to some extent,
but just the again, the very horror movie tropy approach
to women. The only women of color, and I can't
even say we get to know because she is mostly
mocked in order to be established, and then is slowly

(01:25:50):
killed in the most humiliating way they can think of. Yes,
the rest of the women are blonde in different shades
of blond, and they are killed or not killed in
the order that they display moral behavior quote unquote. So
the woman who is the blondest and has sex, of course,
is the first to go. Tiffany seems like she is

(01:26:14):
only rescued by the fact that she has a boyfriend.
I would say the same for the Paris Hilton insert character, like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Who gets damseled and then has to be saved by
the kickboxing tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Guys her boyfriend. Like every blonde who isn't killed is
damseled at some point. I think the only one we
see fight back is Claire, who is interestingly the only
white brunette woman, which is just like so over the
top ridiculous. It's also implied that she's the only woman

(01:26:48):
with any ambitions outside of this, because we find out
she's about to become a lawyer we know nothing about,
which of course doesn't come back, but we know doesn't
we're just told that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Pay off in any way or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
But all of the other blonde women she's surrounded by
appear to have either no backstory whatsoever outside of being
horny or privileged or being a mother. So just all
of these very stock character tropy things. I wanted to
just take a quick moment to remind if you were

(01:27:21):
not aware of Juliana Margulis, I just like, is just
a very vile You can feel free to look up
Juliana Margalise zionist comments if you would like your day
absolutely ruined. Very unpleasant to see her pop up in
any context. But as far as her character goes, yeah,
it's you know, I don't know. I'm a white brunette lady,

(01:27:45):
and I do have a rich in her life, but
so is everyone else, Like it was, and even her
character is just so you know, she keeps it together,
but then she cries once. And then that was another
moment where I was like, does it think she and
Sam Jackson are viving?

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Like completely went over my head?

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
What did you think about that? I was just so
not into it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
I do think it's worth pointing out that so the end,
as we have hinted at, there are several hetero romances
that are just wedged in at the very end. One
is between Sean and the flight attendant named Tiffany. They
kiss for some reason, and then he's like, yeah, i'll

(01:28:31):
definitely see you later. Let's let's go out. I'll take
you to dinner, blah blah blah. Now, normally a kiss
like that would be reserved for the male protagonist and
then some woman, but since the protagonist is Samuel L.
Jackson and interracial on screen kisses were still not very

(01:28:53):
common in two thousand and six. Yeah, there is this,
you know, romance wedged in between him and the Claire character,
but they don't have any kind of kiss or anything
like that. It's just like, yeah, here's my number, let's
go to dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
It reminds me of I think we talked about this
originally in Bad Boys, which I know is not a
two thousand Smivie either.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
That are men in Black Men and Black Will Smith movies.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Yeah, where it's you know, I think that at first glance,
it's like, oh, wow, this movie showed restraint, not really
leaning into it. But then there is the racialized aspect
to it. Yeah, I collecked that as well, and I'm
not saying that that is not happening here. I very
much believe that it could be. I just also but
even story wise, it's hinted at so late in the

(01:29:37):
movie between two characters who are objectively not vibing that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
I was like, you know what, I think they just
like took they were they were using Speed as a
playbook totally, and they were like, Okay, Keanu, he's the
cop character. There's gonna be someone on the vehicle, whether
it be a bus or a plane, who is gonna
sort of emerge as the like prominent helper woman for Speed.

(01:30:10):
It's Sandra Bullock's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Character prominent helper woman. And then yeah, Juliana Markleys is
kind of like CVS brand Sandra Bullock and I'm in
many ways.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Yeah right, and then so she emerges as that character
and the movie snakes on a plane, so it's like, well, yeah,
of course she and the protagonists have to get together
at the end. But they did nothing to earn that, Like, yeah,
any moments that they were supposed to be vibing, I
didn't pick up on it all, and it's also completely unnecessary,
like the fact that it happens in speed I don't

(01:30:39):
even mind because I'm like, sure, I'll look at Sandra
Bullock and Kanu kiss and they have chemistry.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
I think it is like it and it's clearly established
early in the movie that they're attracted to each other, Right, Yeah,
that's important, like like that is established.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Still unnecessary narratively.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
But you know, totally, but at least you believe that
the movie was building towards that this happened so abruptly
that I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that happened
in reshoots or like it was a studio note something
like that, because it just felt I thought about that
conversation that we had around blockbuster movies being historically hostile

(01:31:23):
to interracial kisses, which it just feels like one of
many problems with that attempted relationship because it's also so
like it feels so haphazardly, just like and here's this,
and you're like, we definitely didn't need it. But if
it was gonna happen, why wasn't it established at all?

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
I don't know, great question, Yeah, we don't know. Here's
another some other questions I have, Okay, uh, okay. Samuel L.
Jackson is describing a snake at one point to the
snake expert, and he says it's brownish on top and
green on the bottom. Meanwhile, the snake he's describing is

(01:32:04):
so visibly blue and purple. There's no green, there's no brown.
I don't know what I.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Didn't notice that. That's so funny. That's really great.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
That was just a little question I had. What was
happening there? Another question? Okay, So the young mother with
a baby who removes the venom from the little boy's arm.
She's explaining how to do it. She's like, yeah, you
swish olive oil in your mouth to steal it from
the poison, and then you suck the poison out. But
then she just takes a gulp of the olive oil

(01:32:36):
and swallows it. You'd imagine that she would swish it
around and then spit it back out.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Like she just said she was going to do. But
she k that's the mother's vistom or.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Something exactly exactly. There's a moment where three g's he
tries to breathe the oxygen out of like the oxygen
masks that drop down from the overhead thing, but it's
not working because they're like, oh, oxygen isn't flowing because
of whatever, like the snake bit the electricity, and so
the oxygen doesn't work. But then a couple scenes later,

(01:33:14):
the little boy who had been bitten is breathing oxygen
out of a similar oxygen men he's fine, and he's fine,
and it seems to be working, so they forgot that
the oxygen wasn't working.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
The rules of the plane are so all over the
place because there's so many times where, for the bulk
of this movie, the plane is actively crashing, but if
you watch the scene, the examples of there being even
vague turbulence just happens kind of whenever. But there's other
things where it seems like it's totally fine and we're
having full dialogue scenes and the snakes are the problem.
There's like very rarely snakes and turbulence I'm imagining because

(01:33:46):
that would be too hard to shoot. But then like,
don't set the movie on a plane if that's gonna
be too hard to shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
But Jamie, the movie is called Snakes on a Plane.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
It has to be and Sam Jackson would not let
that be changed. I know that had to have been this.
What are your other questions I have? I only have answers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
That was thank you so much. That was basically it. Oh,
the the flight attendant Ken putting a snake in a
microwave and says, who's your daddy now, bitch?

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Oh yeah, basically presses like I loved that. And it
seems like he pressed the snake button on the microwave
and the snake exploded. I was like, wow, that really
was perfectly timed. How could he have known what microwave
button would be like exactly three and a half seconds,
enough time to explode the snake.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
I did not notice there was a button labeled snake
until I watched these like a few minutes of the
Cinema Sins video for this movie. But in another movie,
that would have been a hilarious joke.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
But that's not what this movie is. That's my guess
is that was a reshoot thing. Because what I think is,
I don't know, this isn't like a part of me
is like, would this be a fen six minute because
the way that like internet culture influenced this at different
moments feels like weird things like the sporks joke feels

(01:35:11):
very two thousand and six internet culture to me, of
like random much sporks like sporks, bacon mustache, like just
all this fucking dorky hot topic bullshit from that period
of time that would have cracked me the hell up exactly. Yeah,
epic random bacon like I don't know, the Sam Jackson

(01:35:32):
saying sporks feels very two thousand and six internet bait
to me. Yeah, a little more the snake button. I
don't even hate it, but it is like a very
specific kind of annoying, and it is interesting that whatever
that's not, we don't need to get into it. But
I did think it was interesting that this movie got
such buzz online that they literally changed parts of the

(01:35:53):
movie in the hopes of converting this movie looks so
ridiculous to I'm going to see it right, which apparently
did not work. I mean, this movie was financially successful,
but I don't think the degree that they wanted because
they were really pushing, like they published a book called
Snakes on a Plane, The Guide to the Internet sensation,

(01:36:14):
like they were really trying to turn this into like
a huge movie, which didn't really happen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Right, because it had a budget of thirty three million
dollars production budget, which high honestly, it grossed sixty two millions,
so it like more or less doubled its budget. But
that was only the production budget. I bet they spent
so much on marketing that this movie would actually be
considered a big flop.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Kind of yeah, or like at least a wash, because
it just feels I don't know. I was curious because
this comes at an interesting point in Sam Jackson's career,
right where I feel like Sam Jackson for basically his
entire career has been a supporting actor, which I think
is the unfortunate fate of many prominent peace people of color,

(01:37:01):
where you know, it can be very challenging to get
a you know, band or role. This I was curious.
I was like, was this supposed to be his big thing?
The answer is no, because he's coming off of his
like Mace Window years, basically like he's just finished the
Star Wars. Uh, he's just finished his Star Wars. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Impressed that you know his character's name from those movies, Jamie.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
I I remember, weirdly he was. He made one of
the bigger impressions to me because his saber was purple
and I liked that, and so I remember what his
name was. Boring character though it's so boring because he
was just in all the Senate scenes. I'm like, this
is so boring. Anyways, So I was curious, why did

(01:37:43):
sam Jackson do this movie the way he explains it.
And I've seen this in print and in an interview,
and I do believe him. He basically is like, it's
a recession. Like he said, it was the kind of
movie I would have gone to see when I was
a kid. I feel sorry for all the people that
are going through the whole trip of why would Samuel
Jackson do something like this? And it's low brow. It's

(01:38:05):
a movie people go to movies on Saturday to get
away from the war in Iraq and taxes and election
news and pedophiles online and just go and have some fun.
And I like doing movies that are fun. Now, the
way he phrases it we can take issue with. But
you know, I think he's basically just saying I am
not above doing an escapist movie because this is the

(01:38:28):
kind of movies I enjoyed when I was a kid,
he said. In other interviews, that I watched that. He's like,
those kind of tend to be the kind of movies
I want to do, is movies that I would really
enjoy seeing when I was younger, and that can be
Star Wars, but it can also be snakes on a plane.
And when he phrased it like that, I was like, yeah,
that makes sense. That's all I have to say about that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Yeah, yeah, no. I I was curious about that too,
and I was just like, all right, either he just
has a po our person who's insisting that he defend
his choice to be this movie, or he really believes that.
I'm not sure, but either way, I was so delighted
to see him in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
I always I also like, do appreciate I mean, this
movie is you know, not to drop the bit of
the episode. This movie's dogshit right, but like it's but
it's fun and it's campy, And I always appreciate when
an actor stands by I've like, as I think, as
I as I'm mature, I appreciate when an actor stands
by their can't be performance. But also who cares? I

(01:39:33):
want to do something you pointed out to me that
I didn't realize when we were talking before, was this
movie is weirdly high. I mean not that rotten Tomatoes
means nothing, right, but like, why is it so high
on this movie? I was shocked. I was coming in expecting,
you know, a twelve percent.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
It's the same. The critics score on Rotten Tomatoes is
sixty nine percent, meaning of course that sixty nine percent
of critics gave this a positive of review, which is
so much higher than I thought. And it's a rare
movie that has a higher critics score than audience score,

(01:40:10):
because the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is forty nine percent,
meaning that only about like half the people polled or
who said anything about it thought that it was good.
So yeah, baffling, baffling that sixty nine percent of critics
were like, yeah, this is this is fine.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
I it's weird. I mean, it just feels so like
you would have to be in two thousand and six
to understand why. I don't know, because it's like at
the precipice of so many weird cultural changes that feel
very kind of like hokey now in a way that
it was like there's early Internet culture stuff going on,
there's like still some oh something that I felt very

(01:40:54):
Bush era. Not to say that this has improved in
any way, shape or form, but there was a moment
where I think it was the Bobby Kenna Valley character says,
there's just like this broad racist thing that said in
the Snake trailer question mark, where it's implied that some
of the guy's snakes are from the Middle East. The
Middle East is said as if it is a single country, right,

(01:41:16):
he says, the Middle East. That would make that snake illegal,
wouldn't it. Just it just felt very Bush era style
of racism, Like the Middle East is a single place,
and everyone and everything from this single place is illegal.
Like that is the logic that that line bears out.
And then the guy replies yes, and you're just like

(01:41:39):
this is fucking miserable. But then he changes gears and says,
I need the list of the snakes on the plane,
and I'm like and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Back, and he's like, give me the snake manifest.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
This literally the snake manifest And the guy's like it's
right over there, Like it's right over there, like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
He's keeping it easily accessible in case this scene happens.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
Just absolute nonsense. Bibe. Yeah, I don't know, do you
have anything else to say. It passes the Paxel test,
if you can believe it. I a couple of.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Times famously, as per usual, forgot to pay attention.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
So I was, I was paying attention. It passes between
Claire and Tiffany, it passes between I believe, it passes
between Claire and Grace.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
It passes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
I mean it passes between a number of I mean,
if we're you know, sometimes it's women talking about snakes.
You know that's a pressing issue. Yeah, genderless icon the
CGI snakes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Really blown away that. I was like, there couldn't have
been more than three snakes on side. There were four
hundred and fifty. Where were they were they? Where the
hell were these snakes? I only saw computer snakes. I
saw one real snake.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Then it makes you wonder about the ethics of that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
I didn't do further research into it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
But like many things with this movie, safe to say
probably not good.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Right, So yeah, I didn't really have a whole lot else.
I did want to do more research about, like would
snakes behave this way? I feel like we need like
a like Creature Future podcast. I'm just on this movie
to be a help. But yeah, I have to imagine

(01:43:31):
that a lot of the way that snake behavior was
depicted was inaccurate. A lot of how you know, like
airplane travel was depicted.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
That I feel like we can safely say that's I
don't think at any point in history how that's worked.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Yeah, So a nipple scale where we rate the movie
on a scale of zero to five nipples based on
examine the movie through an intersectional feminist lens. I would
give this a slithery, slimy zero nipples. Didn't really do

(01:44:14):
anything good and it did everything wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
I would say, Yeah, I was gonna say, I do
want to just like thank our listeners one more time
for being so patient and waiting, you know, eight and
a half full years for this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Yeah, that you've been begging for.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Yeah, we hope this met your standards, but please do
not spare us with your criticisms.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
We can finally handle it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
We're finally in a place where we can accept the feedback.
And with that, I'm going to give this zero nip.
It is like such a wildly but I would love
to see this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
In a theater with you specifically.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
I think that would be so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Maybe they'll re release it in twenty twenty six for
the twentieth anniversary.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
It sounds honestly, and and if Sam Jackson still like
stands by it, ish, let's just do it like why
why not?

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
I just uh, I had the best time watching this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
It was awful. I'm so glad you're glad to hear it,
and listeners, thank you for your support, thank you for
indulging us. I guess I guess we shouldn't end the podcast.
I guess we should keep going yea, actually and do

(01:45:31):
more episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
We should do. We should go surfing and bali and
just figure out what happens next. Yeah, yeah, happy a
proof ofs take a happy aprof.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Did we get you? We got your asses? Didn't we?
We bit your ass?

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
We bit your asses? No HOMEO likes so ridiculous.

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I do like that trope in movies where it's like
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I love it.

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I do think that we should get off the motherfucking
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Let's get off this motherfucking podcast just for today.

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