The Sandlot with Natalie Palamides

Jamie and Caitlin and guest Natalie Palamides score a home run with an episode about The Sandlot. Producer Aristotle aka THE BEAST is there too!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have
women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best
start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hi, Welcome
to the beck Del Cast. My name is Jamie, my
name is Caitlin, and this is our movie podcast about

(00:21):
the girls, the girls, for the girls. Women. We're not
girls were women were sorry and neither was not anyone.
There's no girls where you're born grown up adult with
a woman child, just like Boss? Baby? Who's that movie?
Just like Baby? I don't know, I you know? Who?
Is it? For eating a cheeseburger Today? You're reaching a

(00:43):
cheeseburg in lieu of a Mike's Hard lemonade. Yeah, I'm
I'm making some changes in my life. Follow your heart. Yeah,
it's like a tangential change, but it's a change. It
changes the change. Our podcast is about the portrayal of
women in film. It's it's by by the Bechdel Tests.
It's a test that requires that two women in a movie,

(01:04):
they have to talk to each other and it has
to be about something other than a man. We prefer
that they have names but sometimes we'll give them a pass. Hey,
there is that. I didn't get to see it. It's
gone now, but fun Home was in town. It's connected
to the Bechdel Test because it's based on a graphic novel,
a musical version of that. I didn't know that it

(01:26):
was as well. I want to ask our guests about
it because she got to see it. Um our guest today.
She is Buttercup on Powerpuff Girls. She is in everything
that UCB does. Ever, Natalie Pelamide, has it gone? Thanks
so much for having me wait here? Did you love
fun Home? Oh my god, I freaking love fun I

(01:47):
cried the last twenty minutes of it. It's just so moving,
it's really funny. The music is really great and powerful.
It gives you goose bumps. Just a good story. It's
the you know, it's the true story about Alison Ptel's
life and her relationship with her father who was closeted,
and then you know, it's her story about coming out
as well and how they deal with that together. But

(02:09):
it's just, oh my god, it's I've listened to the
album and I've read the book, but I haven't gotten
to see you yet. I should see it if you can.
I still haven't finished the one Alison Bechdel book I
have bought. I wish I remember what it was called.
It's not It's Your Mama a Llama, because that's a
different book, but it sounds like I don't think that

(02:32):
she wrote your Mama is a Lama. No, she definitely
did not. But that's what the title of this book
reminds me of. I went to uh there was like
a book sale at the library and I got a
bunch of kids books with like illustrations that I liked,
and there's one called Runaway Pickle and it's about a
pickle that runs away. Recommendation of the cast I would

(02:53):
like to formally endorse a book. I'm pretty sure it's
called Runaway Pickle. Well, hey, you at the or if
you want to read that book you showed, you should
also read Are You My Mother, which is the name
of the Alice in Becktel book, not Is Your Mama
a Lama? Kail And I'm going to really try to
lean in on the mouth the noises of me eating
this cheeseburger, because I know you're going to edit this

(03:14):
later and I just like want to feel close to you.
Thank you all right, Clara Stuttles really disgusted because he
too can hear everyone. I'm sorry, he's also probably upset
they're eating beef in his presence because Air Stuttle is
a dirty, dirty vegan. I'm sorry for triggering everyone with

(03:35):
my with my bad eating habits, but you know, it
is what it is. Hey, your body, your choice, you know,
let's talk about the What a beautiful way to learn
that lesson by like actively polluting your body. Yeah, the
movie we're talking about today that you have brought us,
Natalie is The sand Lot. Yes, it's a classic, a
modern classic. So when did you first see this movie?

(03:57):
What's your relationship to this movie? I saw the movie
when I was maybe seven or eight years old, and
oh my gosh, I mean the nostalgia that I experienced
when I'm watching it is is powerful. You know. It's
just it reminds me of Fourth of July, like being
outside and playing baseball. Even though I'm not a boy,
I relate to it just because like my cousins, even

(04:18):
my girl cousins, would all like play sam Lot, like
I would be squints Paladoras because my last name is Palomides,
and I had like really big glasses too, just like Squints.
So I really related to Squints, you know, even though
he wasn't isn't my same gender, I thought just me
and him should get married. So you or we're the

(04:41):
same person. Yeah, did either way be a good match. Yeah,
so you've probably like seen this movie? Have you seen
it a bunch of times? I watched it every year
on Fourth of July without fail. Usually I'm drunk. We
come home and been like drinking all day, and then
we watched the Sad Lot. That's so nice. Yeah. When year,
I even watched it by myself because I was away
from my family. I still got drunken watched it myself.

(05:06):
That's sad. Where did you grow up Pittsburgh? Outside of
Pittsburgh from western Pennsylvania, but like rural Yeah, I mean yeah,
it's pretty rural where I grew up. It's like an
hour outside the city. Cool. Yeah, we'll talk about that later. Yeah,
we talked a lot about Pennsylvania and Massachusetts that we
do in the cast that Alison Bechtel's from Pennsylvania, kidding,

(05:29):
I can see all of Pennsylvania. Yeah, it's one of
the songs we should listen to that soundtrack in a
locked room and just release it's really good to but yeah,
so it's usually Yeah, brings a lot on a lot
of nostalgia at the movie makes me think about, you know,
family barbecues and just playing baseball with my family and

(05:53):
when I was a kid, you know, being outside all day.
Those are the kind of memories that it evokes. Yeah. Cool.
I saw this movie for the first time, I think
probably in college, which is when I saw most of
the movies I've seen. But um I told this story
on an earlier episode of the podcast. But I was
at a friend's house like a little pool party, and

(06:16):
all the boys were like, hey, let's go inside and
watch The sand Lot. And then they put like the
VHS tape in the VCR and it was a porn
movie and not The sand Lot. But because it wasn't
porn version out of the sand it was a woman.
It was just a woman being fisted with baseball with

(06:38):
a baby side off. But because I did not know
what The sand Lot was at the time, I somehow
like when it came out, I missed it. I was
I don't know, I just like, wasn't the gender or
the demographic that that movie was intended for. I also
grew up under a rock, so I didn't know that

(07:00):
I wasn't watching The sand Lot when we were I
was like, oh, the Sandlot is a porn movie. I
guess about being a kid and making friend. It wasn't
until years later that I discovered what the Sandlot actually was.
Funding nickname for your vagina the sand the Sandon Welcome
to this and that I had a very scary dream

(07:22):
the other night. I used to have, like when I
was a little The first movie I ever saw to
the point where I don't even remember seeing it, but
it like seeped into my consciousness was Aladdin, and I
used to be so scared of the cave that would
rise out of the same yeah, and there was I
still have dreams about the cave, and I used to

(07:43):
have like this. I used to sleepalk all lot when
I was a little kid, and there was like this
short flight of stairs that I fell down multiple times
because I like I was having a dream that the
cave was at the bottom of the stairs and I
would just launch myself what to what was not the
cave at all. It was thankfully a soft carpet at

(08:06):
the bottom, but still at the bottom of stairs, like
lots of rug burn. Yeah, I had the hots for Jafar. Really,
it's my most memorable thing. Laden. Yeah, he was my
first crush, the little twisty beard kind of guy. Yeah,
I guess I like, yeah, wait, I just want to
set the record straight and say that my nickname from

(08:27):
my vagina is box office flop. But oh I love that.
But I can we can call the sand Lot to
thinking of the sand Lot too returned with the sand Lot.
Oh my gosh, that's terrible. I can't believe they've even
made that. They ruined it. I didn't see the super
Was that a directive video? Yeah, I didn't see it.

(08:52):
When did you see The Sandlet for the first time, Jamie.
I remember seeing it where my my oldest cousin, Aaron,
used to love that movie. He was a couple of
years older than me and so we all would like
watch it together in the den when we were little. Yeah,
it was nice. I didn't It wasn't like one of
my favorite favorite movies. But it's like kind of the
same as you just reminded me of hanging out with

(09:13):
my cousins when I was little, and I wasn't I
wasn't baseball or sports girl in general, Like some of
my cousins would split off and play the sand lot
and re enact that movie. And then yeah, and then
in the backyard, me and my cousin Tammy would try
to re enact the Lindsay Lohan version of the parents.

(09:34):
That was like what we would do. So the movie,
let's talk about the Let's start with the characters. The
main boy characters are Scottie. He's like the protagonist who's
the story sort of unfolds through his point of view.

(09:55):
And then his best friend Benny Rodriguez, like the cool kid.
He's super good. It's changed, You're just like Benny. I know,
he's so much taller. Yeah, I think I might still
serve about a crush. And I remember I had a
like he was such a cute pan He's a good

(10:16):
looking young kid who is not inappropriate for us. Okay,
Then we got Squints like you, he was my crush.
And then he's a little underdog Timmy and Tommy the brothers,
and then yeah, yeah is the little short kid. Then
we got Ham and Kenny de Nunez and Bertram. That's

(10:39):
with the nine remember Bertram. All the glasses. Oh I remember,
I remember him now? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I lost track
of a few of them. Some of them blended together
brings the chaw. Yes. So that's the main boys. And

(10:59):
then as far as the women go, where are they Mom?
Scotty's mom played by Karen Allen who is never even
named just mom. And then you've got Wendy Peppercorn. Hey wait,
should I do the the recap? Do their eat cap?

(11:23):
I guess what little semblance of a story it has
coming in? High's going to pass out? And well, okay,
so it's about these nine boys who play baseball every
day of this summer. I think it's in nine two,

(11:45):
And we focus on Scottie who moved to the neighborhood
and he's like, I'm Bad's my dad And he's like,
I want to play baseball, but I'm not good at it.
But I want to make friends. But they're all good baseball.
I don't I don't know how all we can do.
A little boy voices this whole episode, Oh man, I mean,

(12:06):
and then he like approaches these boys who were playing
at this place called the Sand Law, which is this
like magical place where boys play baseball every day and
then he's really bad, but they sort of accept him
whenever he shows that he can like finally catch a ball.
And then they play every day and then there's this
beast who lives in a backyard at the neighboring house,

(12:29):
and they're like, don't go to the beast. We lose
all these baseballs. No, it's scary for the baseballs. There's
so many baseballs over the fence by the beasts. So
one day they are playing and by this halfway through
the movie, and the inciting incident doesn't really happen until

(12:50):
this they bust a ball open. Benny because he's so
good at baseball. He's like, I'm gonna mash this ball up.
And they ruined this baseball and Scotty's like, hey, I
got a baseball at my house. I'm gonna use it.
Scott is so eager to little it was assigned by

(13:12):
Babe Ruth, who he doesn't know who that is, baby Ruth.
That was a fun yeah, like who is she? Yeah,
And then they lose it and the beast gets it,
so they have to like orchestrate this whole like rescue it.
Halfway through the movie pretty much, but they're building their
friendship and everything and establishing. I mean it's like to

(13:34):
be a kid, you know. Yeah, it does take a
while for things to actually start happenings. Some great moments
come before, you know, like the smorn and everything smores
and then they rescue this ball, but not before the
beast gets out and he's a big dog and he
chased them through the neighborhood and there's a cake and
then it falls on everyone. And then and Benny has

(13:56):
BF Flyers fast jump Fire and a ghost at the
Babe Ruth ghost visits Benny and at his house. Yeah,
and I have the same shoes as Benny. Very nice
sam audition PA Flyers, and then they discover that the
old man who lives in the house that the beast

(14:18):
is at is Yeah. James Jon Jones, former Yankees baseball
player who knew Babe Ruth, remind me that I caught
a flyball once, but it was like with my back
brace when I was twelve, I would have gotten hit
and like maybe hurt, but it hit. I was leaning over.
I was reading a magazine feature about Josh Hartnett, of course,

(14:40):
and the flyball at the baseball game that we had
gone to as a school field trip, like fell in
between the seat and my back brace, so that it
just I was like, what was that? And it was
a fly ball at a Providence White Sox game. Was good.
I still have it at my house, Uncle John, thank you.
Is it in your trophy room? It's in my trophy room. Yeah,

(15:02):
I have a lot of trophies. They're all heads of
the men you've decapitated. Yeah. It's a stinky little room,
but I'm proud of it. Uh cool. So that's mostly
the story. They like talked to James ald Jones and
he's like, yeah, here, here's a new ball. It has
all the signatures from the Yankees. I like how James
Earl Jones blackmails them into being his friends. I thought

(15:25):
that was really nice. And also just like that's such
a nice scene to where he's like, please be my friend.
He's basically like the Boo Radley of the community. Yeah,
oh yeah, I didn't even think of that. And then
he turns out to be a nice guy. Yeah, but
I have I had a lot of questions when I
watched it this time. I never like questioned the world
that the sand Lott takes place in. But it's like,

(15:48):
so first of all, there's no women live in this town.
But in regards to James Old Jones, I have so
many questions. Where did his life go wrong? Besides being blind?
Did he never get it a second wind? He lost
his career, He never had a backup plan, especially one

(16:10):
that involved him being blind. I don't know if he
lives in that little doesn't think doesn't doesn't major League
Baseball give you workmen's comp when you go blind. We'll
have to make some calls. You might have. He might
have squandered all his baseball cash. And then you know,
also like he's blind living on his own. Imagine taking
care of a house by yourself. That's a dog dogs

(16:32):
probably tuning everything. He's not even a seeing eye dog.
Yeah exactly. Yeah. Anyway, as we mentioned, there are almost
no women except for Scotty's mom and Wendy Peppercorn. They
don't touch to each other. Yeah, yeah, no, they were
like women. Sometimes they're like, hey, there's one uh like

(16:55):
in that when the boys are thrown out of the pool,
there's a mom who looks at I'm like, what do
you do? Yeah? For listeners of the cast, I just
made an O shape with my mouth to indicate shock
in fairness though, like, are there like any boys in like,
you know, the Baby Stairs Club. True, Baby Stairs Club
for sure passes the BacT Old test, but this is

(17:17):
kind of like the dude version of like it is
like a boys club kind of movie, but a lot
of girls watch it. Yeah, I don't remember like feeling
weird about it. It's don't remember feeling weird either. It's
weird because it's like it's a story where women are absent,
but they don't really with the exception of Wendy fefforcorn

(17:40):
um or is that how you say peffer peffer Feffer.
I was imagining a pfefforcorn No, it's peppercorn, yeah, i'
but they it's not really that condescending to women. It's
just a world that don't really stand. Well, there's the
it you play ball like a girl, right, There's a

(18:03):
number of instances. So I made note of this. I
think that it's horribly condescending to women. And yeah, I'm
taking a strong stance on this episode. You guys love it.
There's a scene where this other group of like baseball
boys roll up and they're sort of like insult battling.
They're roasting each other if you will, it's a roast. Oh,

(18:25):
I see your sister out in left field. She's naked, right.
Oh yeah, but that's the game before they play the
game against each other. Ham and this other kid from
this other team are like hurling insults at each other
and they're going back and forth and it keeps heightening
because they're like, you're dumb, you're a dork, you are
spart smeller, you are a toe jam liquor like stuff
like that. And then Ham goes, oh, yeah, well you

(18:49):
play like a girl. And then everyone goes as if
that's the when you posset and you play all those
tampon commercials. It's like, I don't play like I'm strong.
I biposit And I was like, what was it is
that the always company that co opted that? Um anyway,

(19:09):
it's very possible. Okay, well a girl plays baseball in
that commercial. Oh good, I'm so glad we get that
representation in there. So that's one example of a few
different instances where they use women as like the butt
of a joke. Or when I was a kid, I
wasn't insulted by that at all, and that was hilarious.
I'm sure it was wrong with me. They Another one

(19:34):
is when they're debating whether or not to let like
Scottie join the team. Um, Benny is like arguing for him,
and he's like, well, we only have eight people. He
makes nine and then someone I think it might be yeah, yeah,
or squints or someone goes so with my sister, but
I didn't bring her that, like why would we, Like
what a horrible choice that would have been. And then

(19:54):
there's another scene where it's super hot outside and they're
all like it's too hot to play and Benny's like,
come on, guys, let's do it. And they're like no,
and he's like, all right, well, anyone who wants to
be a can't hack it pantywaist? Who where's their mama's bra?
And they're all like, yeah, we're fine with that. But
just like that was a fun one though. It's just okay,

(20:16):
Sure these like young boys, right, like young locker room talk.
They're not going to be at the forefront of a
feminist movement. Sure they're young boys from nine two. But
here's the thing. Young kids, boys and girls are watching
this movie, and this audience is like very impressionable, easily

(20:38):
influenced so to like hear things like this from a movie,
they're like, Oh, that's that's okay, that's okay, Like that's
all right to think the guys we have to deal
with these days. I mean, it must have grown up
watching that movie. Man, I'm ready to hold the sand
Loan accountable feminists. I think that. I mean, it wouldn't

(21:01):
have been difficult to add. I mean, and this would
be like the very very very least is kind of
like a girl on the team who had to you know,
take that ship and then say hey and then throw
one good pitch Like that sounds like the team to
be so bad, right, just to give the I think

(21:23):
I would have liked the movie so much more the girl. Yeah,
at least one right, because like sort, I don't think
it's unrealistic for these boys to be thinking and talking
this way about girls. But because it goes unchallenged, is
I think what bothers me? And like, no one's like that,
don't talk that way about me. Yeah, I think about

(21:45):
how hilarious it would have been if he was like,
what do you play ball like a girl? And then
I was like, and then she's like the best player
on the team, you know, or something like and she's like,
what's that supposed to me? And you know he's like,
oh sorry. You know, there's moments there, there's man. Yeah,
I would love if there was a girl, at least
one girl. I still wouldn't help this movie pass the

(22:07):
back to all tests, but it would be cool. And
also I'd like there, you know, most of them are
like little shitty mouth breathing boys that it makes sense
further because they're supposed to be what like nine and
ten or something that young. And but I mean you've
got Scottie and Benny and they're both pretty good kids,

(22:30):
and it's like, you know, they seem like the sort
of characters that could interact with like a woman child
and and have it, you know, not be really condescending
and go well. But they did not do that, which
is not entirely surprising because this is written, directed, produced,

(22:51):
it's all guys who made this movie, which is I've
never been less surprised, But because it's a little boy movie.
Um yeah, was written and directed by David Evans and
then uh, someone named Robert Gunter also has a writing
credit on it, so they're responsible. Could we say that
it's important to make movies that are just like, like,

(23:14):
let's say that The sand Lot was like all girls
about like a girl's softball team. You know, do you
think people would be upset that there was no boy? Like,
obviously people are upset because in movies there's already a
lack of women represented. But let's just say it was
the opposite, it was like all women. Would people be like, oh,

(23:36):
there should have been a boy in there. Some men's
rights activists to be like, why aren't through? But like,
the females are already so underrepresented in film, right when
you feature like a marginalized group. Yeah, it's it's tricky
because I do understand the argument that could be made
of like this is a movie about little boys, and

(23:56):
I totally agree with you, Kaitlin that like the way
that they talk about girls is never challenged and and
that is you know, maybe that's realistic, but it's a movie.
It's very easy to just throw in any sort of
challenge from anyone. And there's a lot of stuff about
this movie, like it takes place in nineteen sixty two,
and there is a Hispanic character, there's a black character.

(24:20):
This is not addressed at all, And that's you know,
like that it's not that kind of movie that is
going to address racial issues. But it's weird because outside
of gender, it is relatively inclusive or at least, you know,
we see those characters on screen, and I don't I mean,
I don't know where this is going. It's just weird

(24:41):
because there's a few cop outs in that it's the summer,
so we never need to see them at school, and
that's where we would see girls. But even like at
the pool and stuff, like, there's no girl that they
consider an equal in this movie because Wendy Peffercorn is
like older and like a of them or whatever. And
then there's uh, Scottie's mom, and so there's no girl

(25:06):
who's on their level to interact with and and and
that is that is kind of where and even like
unusual for this kind of movie. Yeah, I mean, it's
not even so much that I'm upset by the lack
of women in the movie. All others certainly could be more.
It's just I suppose the way that they think about women,

(25:28):
Like I said, girls and women are used as an
insult every time. It's basically like we we think that
women are inherently bad and bad at sports and bad
at throwing, and they are basically just lesser than us.
So we are going to use that as an opportunity
to insult each other by calling each other girls, or
by insinuating that you're being girlish if you were being

(25:52):
weak or not good at baseball. What do you think
about Squints and Wendy Peffercorn getting together with and turns
in that relationship, like you right before the credits, it's
like Squints and Wendy had like so many kids together, Yeah,

(26:15):
could not stop. What do we think about that? Well, first,
she's like this powerful woman who like kicks his ass
out of the pool, you know, because he sexually assaults her.
Yeah yeah, right, oh yeah, yeah, he pulls her down
like that's not good, and but that is true, Like
it's never betrayed, like I you know, never even crossed

(26:36):
my mind as an adult, like watching this movie. I
watched it every year, you know, I said, never crossed
my mind that, Like she's getting sexually assaulted. In my head,
I'm like a goofy kid. It's like a fast one
on her, you know, yeah, I mean the voiceover from
older Scottie after that sequence, I was like, whoa this

(26:58):
is it would have like it's still would have been
very strange to you know, because Squint's literally like pulls
this girl down and she's trying to do her job,
and she's doing a good job, but she kicks them out,
and that is like, okay, good, you know, she stood
up for herself and got these kids the funk out

(27:19):
of there. But then the voiceover kicks in and it
was like, man, now it's so fucking cool. What a
bold little kid, And like that was he was a hero.
He kissed a girl and did a and then and
then the part that like ruined Wendy Peppercorn for me
is when later it's like at every time he passed

(27:40):
the pool, she would smile at him. I was like,
why what a little weird never happened. She'd be like,
oh god, the kid. Yeah, I would have like a
dark gun and like blow poisons darts at him. If
I would love to see a dark gun. I might
get in trouble for saying this, but like it's just
like there's this fine line between like technically it's sexual assault,

(28:02):
but then also he's like this stupid kid that just
thinks like this is the way to like hit on
Wendy pepper Corn or like you know, the way it's
presented is like he's like, this is my one shot
to like make his move, you know what I mean,
Like he doesn't even understand that like that would be
considered assault. Yeah, I mean in the movie, and I

(28:23):
think that the thing that bothered me more than the
fact that it actually happened was that the adult like
like like thirty years later is like that was cool,
like no regrets, you know, like that that was what
bothered me more. Yeah, we're like the narration like this,
you know whatever, The omniscient smart guy says it's fine

(28:46):
because he says what Squints did was sneaky, low rotten. Yeah, cool, right, Yeah,
it's that's at least they like partially acknowledged that it
was like uns Yeah. And then after they've gotten kicked
out of the pool and as they're walking away, Ham
is like did you plan that? And he's like, yeah,

(29:07):
I've been putting it for a while and it's actually
trigger I want to break this down a little bit
more because this scene was so alarming to me. But
before that happens, when we're introduced to Wendy Peppercorn for
the first time. She's so heavily objectified. It's insane, like
for like a fourteen year old girl, and she's she's young,

(29:33):
she's probably meant to be like sixteen, but even that's
still so the first time you meet her, she's walking
down the street and then there's a shot of just
her butt like as she's walking. It's just like a
lingering male gaze shot of her ass. But that's what
they're trying to portray though, right, I mean, they're portraying

(29:54):
like staring at her ass probably what I mean they're
They're they're saying that Squints attracted her, yes, but doesn't
need to be in such a sleazy way filmically, I think. Cinematically, yeah,
I think that comes back to the lack of challenging
anything where it's like you can have another shout out
to headless Women in Hollywood one of my favorite blogs ever,

(30:16):
and that's like one of those classic things where it's like, oh,
it's you know, a woman's ass and we know nothing
about her except she's a lifeguard, and well it happens,
it happens again. You know, that's the dream of mine.
That's really all Squints knows about her too. She just
has a crush from afar on this girl that he
thinks is pretty, and really all he knows about her

(30:39):
is like her good looks. Sure, it is like that
shallow from the kid's perspective, I think that can still
be communicated on screen without isolating a shot of just
her ass. And then it happens again when she's at
the pool, you see just a shot of her breasts,
like that she's putting on sunscreen. So like there's still
ways to communicate that one cares attracted to another without

(31:01):
like horribly objectifying them like that. Yes, but I think
part of like the thing that I think is funny
is that he is just like so like like drooling
over like her ass. It's kind of like things that
like guys do focus on, you know, and they're even
like focus on my feet actually, you know, like they

(31:23):
are you know for me, I don't think it's like
so absurd to like show from his perspective that that's
like all he's focusing on, because that probably is like
what he's focusing on. Sure, I mean he's a horny
little boy who's reaching puberty. Yeah, yeah, he's the first one.
What do you would think of you Benny, but he's

(31:46):
horny for the game. Yeah. I see what you're saying
that it's like right to objectify women, but like that
is his perspective that they're portraying. I understand. It still
gross me out. I'm still like, yeah, and it probably wouldn't.
It didn't gross me out. Like the first time I
saw it, I didn't think anything of it, you know,
like ten years ago, but now I'm like, you know

(32:09):
what that that porn that I thought was the sand
Lot where that woman is getting tristed is less subjectifying
than this movie. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, I mean, especially
in a movie for little kids, that's that's a weird
precedent to be setting. And I mean, like I don't know,
like kids are pretty sexual though, you know what I mean,

(32:30):
like they I mean I made my barbies have sex
with each other when I was like six years old.
I used to. I used to make my Hunchback of
Nu Puppets make out. Yeah, like I like made out
with my Ventriloquist dummy, you know, like you would have
been Trillo was dummy. Yeah. But like you know, I

(32:50):
feel like people tend to forget that kids, like, even
from a young age, are like sexual beings, you know,
in their own like innocent way, you know, like I
was like banging my barbies together or whatever. But kids
still like have this like innate, like animalistic. But that's
kind of all the more reason to show them a
way of looking at people that isn't so I don't know,

(33:14):
like reductive. I don't know. Because also they're like poking
fun at Squints for like, he's like, so Google Gaga
over this girl. Yeah, that's true to the point where
he's willing to almost drown himself, which, by the way,
my favorite line in the movie. It's man expository dialogue
because he's about to like go jump in the pool
and someone's like, but that's that deep end and Squints

(33:37):
can't swim. It's like, cool, thanks for that, very like
but yeah, so then he jumps in the pool and
he's like, I guess pretends to drown or also maybe
you can't swim. But then Wendy saves him and she's
performing CPR and him and like the second or third
time she goes to blow aaron to his lungs, he's like,

(33:58):
let's kitchen shing not how he talks now, but um,
but I love that boys never and then what also
bothered me after that she like I do like that.
She's like, you little pervert, and she grabs him and
like yanks him and she kicks them all out of

(34:18):
the pool. But then two seconds later, when they're like
outside of the fence, he like kind of waves at
her and she just gives him this look like you
little rascal, and it's like he just forcibly kissed you
without your permission. It was just that was just a
confusing to be of, Like she was just so mad
and like pushed nine boys out simultaneously, and then like

(34:43):
a few minutes later, she's like, you know what, you know,
it's kind of funny. This is like we're you cooled down, Wendy.
I don't know that that whole sequence like it started out.
I'm like, well, it's good that she's kicking their ass.
And then it's or have ended, like and then you've
you had nine kids and they get together? Is this

(35:06):
a good time to say that? Benny now is an
L A P. D. Firefighter. Oh Benny Firefighter. He was
higher from acting at the seven after being in D
two and D three The Mighty Duck No Way got

(35:27):
type cast and then he was like, I'm going out
on top and I'm gonna save this beautiful city from fires.
And he's oh god, oh. He was arrested for what
Vitar and two other firemen were involved in a physical
altercation with another man who was severely injured on Halloween.

(35:48):
He was booked on December three for the incident and
was later released on thirty bail. We don't, my gosh,
he beat up a guy on Halloween, and his defense
it was, yeah, maybe it's like the Purge, you can
community crime, you one on Halloween? Or oh yeah, we're

(36:09):
talk about Wendy Peppercorne. Um, here's something I had a
question about. Does Dennis Larry and his wife with no
name have a good marriage or do they hate each other.
She seems a little bit scared of him. She's into
like where he's always in his room. I scared to
talk to him. She's like right where She's like, go

(36:29):
talk to your dad. And I don't know, like the
dynamic between them, Dennis Larry seemed very mean. First of all,
I love that Dennis ar Yeah, Like, but what does
he do's his job? Where's he going? He travels? He travels,
He's and I get that, like we're sort of seeing
his parents through Scotty's eyes where it's like no one

(36:52):
totally you knows what their dad does, and like, you know, really, yeah,
I have no idea. There's I asked someone what they
dad did recently? Any answered like something involving bricks? Was
that me? Because my dad's a bricklayer? But I know
that my st is your dad a bricklayer? You know
what you do? This is over over thirty lad me

(37:17):
some bricks. I always say, I need to just hook
up with a Scottish bricklayer. Is your dad's Scottish? No, see,
I'm objectifying that you're going to scott on this summer, right, Yeah,
that's my If anybody from Scalens listening to that you're
a bricklayer, you just need to go to like brickless
areas and just wait, don't show up. Yeah exactly. I've

(37:39):
never seen brick being before. I've only seen it. You're
gonna want to see its bricks getting laid. Oh yeah, bricks. Yes,
my dad is a sports reporter and there's no less
I mean, which Scotty is at the end, there's no
last sexy profession in the entire world. Just all people

(38:00):
who were like, well, it wasn't that good at sports.
So now I wear hats and I sweat a lot
that can who can't report the thing? Right, that's the thing.
But I will see my dad one third place Local
Emmy for his volleyball coverage in two thousand and seven.
Is your dad really a sportscaster? Because he's a he's

(38:23):
a print guy, but he has more followers in you.
He has more followers on Twitter than me. It's really
but I wish to god it was a joke. I
had him for a little bit in early We got
into like this really fun screaming match where I was
like I did it and he was like, just you wait,
and I did wait, and then he beat me again

(38:44):
because he's got the Bruins exclusives and I don't have those.
I should start getting them. If you're out there listening
to this podcast, please follow Jamie on Twitter at Hamburger Phone.
Please block my dad at loftis underscore Ledger. I did.
I asked people to block my dad and a lot
of people who were very supportive, and they blocked my
dad's you know, I was like, suspend his account. He

(39:07):
followed me and really see you now. He's like trying
to appeal to people and be like, I'm gonna follow
Jamie's friends and like, first of all, if they don't
know what's up, that looks very weird on your end.
Did he try to get your account suspended as well? No,
he's very mature about it. But no, he'll post about
it on Facebook sometimes and be like, whenever my daughter

(39:30):
does this, dot dot dot, I get a lot of
followers on Twitter. And then all his high school friends
were like, yeah, Mike, I love Sully because that's why. Yeah, man,
having a dad named Mike is so is the greatest
struggle of my life. My name really wait, why is
this struggle for you? Well, because there are so many

(39:52):
people out there named Mike, and sometimes you'll find yourself
in and in in a in a romantic situation, perhaps
with a mind, and then it's like, there's been mix
in my life my dad's sales. I never had a problem.
That's amazing. My name is Steve, which I think is
already the least sexy name ever, but he's a bricklayer. Hey,

(40:14):
can we talk about how the most interesting female character
in this movie is the character that's in the Wolfman,
which is being screened in like a movie theater as
they're like chasing the dogs chasing. Yeah, it's towards the
end they like are running through the town and like
this picnic and stuff, and then they go into this
movie theater and the dog like bursts through the projector screen.

(40:37):
I looked it up there watching the Wolfman. From the
female character from that, I think it's the most interesting
character in the sand Loot. Is it possible the Beast
as a girl. Well, I don't know, because we get
some shots the dog and that dog has got very
permanent bobby he's packing. But essentially I did have a

(41:07):
female cat called the Dude, so you know it's named
after the big Lebowski. Yeah, I got you, got you
very I've seen that movie. Brag, good job, Jamie. That'd
be a good movie for the test. Yeah, I don't
think it passes. If it does, it's by one of

(41:28):
those like very like bar line interactions. We've had a
few of those, but it's is unfortunate the sand Lot though,
the sand Lotte, you know it, it fails the test
for pretty pretty spectacular. I think even uh women maybe
only get a combined like five minutes of screen time

(41:50):
total because his mom is only and it's mostly his
exposition mommy who comes in. I thought that it was
weird that one of her first scene, I think, is
just her bursting into the room, like why don't you
have any friends? Like, like, I would be so terrified
of my mom because I mean, she wasn't that aggressive,

(42:10):
but she was just like do you friendshet do? And
he was like, no, I'm still a negad And she
was like, I want you to have a lot of friends,
like it's important to have friends as like, jeez, she
probably just wants him out of the house so that
so she can do what. Also, the mom's anti engineering.
He's just trying to work on his kinetics set engineering

(42:33):
skills for the future. She's a woman against stem. She
women against them. It's like, who side are you on?
Let's do let's do the check the checklist of things
we look for in every movie. I would argue, we've
got some steampunk going. Okay, really okay, So like the

(42:56):
erector set that well, no, they make they make some
some little contraptions to get the ball, to get the
Babe Ruth ball. So you know, I've expanded my uh
my hatred of steampunk to anything involving gears and pulleys
and any anybody like. You know, there's a little bit

(43:16):
of steampull. I'll you know the Machine Works, which is
they make it kind but I think they make it
out of the erector set. Oh do they? Okay? I
will say I made macaroni and cheese while I was
watching this movie a this time, and so there are
maybe two two to three minutes that I don't totally
know what happens, and my roommate talked to me and
I had to pause it. Oh yeah, oh I didn't

(43:38):
have before, You've never spoken to Yeah, yeah, yeah, I paused.
I would because I was in the kitchen. He caught
me because he had he had taken he had just
taken a shower, like because he had slops because I
was trying to see, um, hey, does anyone have to
hear like you do when you're playing baseball and you're

(44:01):
rounding the bases? Good? Yes, that was what I was
trying to back together. I was on a UM. So
I've been on a few different softball teams in my life,
not in high school or anything like that. UM, but
I was on like the Boston comedy softball. Oh I
was afraid of that. Yeah, I was not very good.

(44:22):
I knew a bunch of female comics who are who
were on that bossing softball league I was invited to,
but I was like, I'm I'm kind of scared, so
I guess I was. I was not helpful. But anyways,
softball teams are cool. I like to I was gonna
play softball and I was a kid and I was
practicing with my dad and he hit me in the

(44:42):
face with the ball. I just didn't want to play anymore.
What that aim? Yeah? How bad? Was your dad a
huge on accident? You know as an actor? Yeah? Really,
my dad tripped me on purpose when I was little,

(45:03):
because I know, And then I asked him about it
about a year ago, and do you remember where you
tripped me? Because I don't know. I had been complaining
about a scab I had on my knee and I'm like,
this is so stupid. I hate that I have this gap.
It's ugly. I wish I had fallen off my bike,
and I guess I was being annoying and then he
tripped me. And I don't think he thought I was
going to fell fall but I did, and then this

(45:25):
gab got bigger. Dad Yeah deserves to be blocked on
Twitter for everyone block. He needs to make a movie
called bad Dad. Am I right, guys, what about Daddy's Home?
I was, what about bad Santa Bat Santa? Um? There?

(45:48):
I had to write click bait today as I do, uh,
so I can pay for things I and I wrote
about the rock Vin Diesel feud uh And my favorite
part of learning about it was that when Vin Diesel
stormed off the set of the Fate of the Furious
last summer, he said, Daddy's gone and then he laughed,

(46:11):
and that's true, that happened. He said, well, allegedly he
said Daddy's gone. And I was like, whoa. After eight movies,
I guess that is allowed. You can just say daddy's gone.
Maybe he's daddy on set. Maybe everybody's asking him to
teach you to ride bikes and stuff like that. Like
Vin's like kind of our daddy. It's like kind of

(46:31):
the vibe he per checks, it makes us sandwiches and
cuts the crust off. He's a good daddy. He's not
like the movie you're going to write bad Daddy, Daddy
d bad Daddy I can't wait for that billboard good.
Does anyone have any final thoughts about the movie The

(46:53):
sand Lot. I want a version of this movie that
has a girl on the team. I think I would
have really really loved that movie when younger. I agree,
and I think so too. Even though I did love
the movie when I was younger, I think a girl
would make it better. Hey, my one, not two girls.
I like when I was a kid and like playing
sports and soccer, kickball or whatever. Like in my neighborhood

(47:15):
it was mostly boys, but I was a girl and
I was there. I was playing, and I was better
than most of them. Also, I was on a soccer
team where I was one of two girls and then
everyone else was a boy. But like we were I
don't know, like seven or something, and it was like
a co ed team, and um, the girls were yes,
under represented, but we were there. We were playing score

(47:36):
a goal once. I would like to see more girls.
But okay, I think maybe I'm just a bad person.
But is there something to be said about Like there's
like that dynamic of like the one girl like squeezes
in and then teaches them all a lesson. That's the
kind of thing it's like a trope. It's like the
one strong female is like, fuck y'all, like girls rule.

(47:57):
I wish that wasn't a trope, you know, but it's
like there's something about I mean, that trope that would
have worked well in the movie. That even extends to
like I think we've talked about that with like superhero
movies before, where there's like one female superhero and then
she like kicks something and they're like, whoa, that's crazy, right,

(48:19):
and then she like folds her arms and she's like,
I know that's a yeah, I mean, that's Strong Girls,
the Powerpuff Girls, three girls, three Strong Girls, you know,
the kick but every episode passes afect test. Yeah, every
episode past the effectual test exactly, and they kick. Yeah.
But Kyle, that's a good point. Maybe if there was

(48:40):
like a pair of sisters, um that yeah, I mean,
and then you could avoid that trope pretty easily because
even if there were two little girls on this team
and one of them was great and one of them
was really bad at baseball. Because I was a dent
that kid who was like, we need one more person,
you know, Jammy, can you just stand here? Yeah? Like

(49:02):
and then like I was I was not a sporty child.
But um, you know, maybe if there are two female characters,
you could sort of dodge that trope too. Sure. Yeah,
and also maybe if Wendy Peppercorn's girlfriend shows up when
Squint's kisses her and it's like, hey, she's taken whoa

(49:23):
you know? Yeah, and then she drowned Squints, And then
I will say I would love someone to drown to
impress me, but I would want it to end in
them actually drowning. I just want to say real quick,
like I can't something I know we talked about, like
the kiss, like Squints, it's sexual assault, and I hate
to excuse it this way, but there's an innocence that

(49:46):
kids have where like he doesn't realize, you know what
I mean. That's the problem though, So that's the problem
that it's he doesn't know. But it's like there's an
innocence to like stealing a kiss from someone. You know,
it's like kiss my cheek, you turn your head and
like steal the kiss and it's like, oh, you know,
and this isn't you know, you know what I mean?
And not to minimize any type of sexual assault, I

(50:08):
don't want to do that, you know, being kissed is
probably less traumatic and other horrible things that can happen
to you. So I do, I mean, I I do
get the innocence part of it, because it totally is
like a you know, a kid thing, like you're just

(50:29):
psyche that he like kissed a girl, you know what
I mean. They're not like right, yeah, it's you know
what I mean, Like it's like it's like kind of
about perspective, but it's like not. But it's also not
okay to like present that as an okay thing for kids.
You know, it's like it starts somewhere. It's kind of
the problem. But yeah, it's the way it sort of
goes back to the lack of challenging anything, where if

(50:51):
Dennis Leary was just like, hey, don't do that, you
know that's or like at any point appeared to even
vaguely like his wife and be like respect this one.
We don't know what her name is, I don't know
where her name is, but you know, she seems afraid
of me. Well, I think in the voice over the
older Scotty does after that happens with Wendy Peppercorn, he

(51:12):
said something, yes, Squint's put the move on the lifeguard.
There's definitely like the seeds of something and teaching little
boys and that that's cool or something. Yeah, it's I mean,
there's it's definitely a gray area where it's like we're
not gonna take squints to court over this, but showing

(51:32):
that and then leaving it relatively unaddressed and that smile
and wave to him like she liked it or something right,
right right, and then just leave hers being mad. You know,
she's mad, like she's not going to come back and
suddenly have a crush on him or something, and then
doubled down and then yeah, and then be like she

(51:55):
she loved it so much she couldn't get enough. She
kept coming back from where she sucked him five billion times. Okay. Also,
like in terms of thinking of like mischief and stuff,
it's kind of funny to like trick someone into thinking
they're giving you CPR and then you know, like smack
him with a kiss, you know what I mean. Like
there's like the kind of it's like kind of like
a like mischievous. It's like a hard I mean, that's

(52:19):
a hard thing. I know, it's so hard, and like
we're you know, we're pulling apart, but and I'm probably
like approaching this too much like a s j W.
No no, no, no, yeah no, I just like to
want to like talk about it because it's just like
it is weird. Yeah, and and then like is this presented? Yeah,

(52:39):
like I said, like so lightly, you know, but then
it's uh right, But then it's like that's that maybe
the seeds of of like making a few seeing its okay, Yeah,
like if you see stuff like that enough times where
it's like again, the audience of this is like young Andy, exactly,

(53:00):
it is true. So I don't know, it's tricky. It's tricky.
There's there's a lot of and I guess that that's
why internalized misogyny is is it's so hard to shake because,
like you know, like in a lot of like like
comedy of errors type things like forces and stuff, they
have a you know, a guy dressed up as someone

(53:22):
else and they kiss you know what I mean. There's
like a like getting someone to kiss you under false pretense. Yeah,
there's like kind of like that cliche kind of like
trophy thing about like tricking someone into kissing you that
I think it plays with Man, I would feel so
much better about that if a we just let Wendy

(53:42):
stay mad. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, and b if the
voiceover after had been just a little bit like not
even a little bit like more critical chance with her
or whatever, or like right or like we learned later
that that's not what you do and not like, man,
that was kind of gross, but it was mostly dope.
And now I was a forty year old sports reporter

(54:05):
still think, like, fuck, that kid was so cool. That's weird, right,
that's weird. Also, not to objectify old Scottie, but he
looked like shit. Man, I was just such a little kid,
so did old Benny. Why you mustache? Not? He could

(54:28):
have been so much hotter. I don't love a mustache,
but I thought he looks he was a man at
the nineties. You know, nineties men had mustaches. I was
so excited for him to grow up, to get his
hot hunk. And then and then it was that he
didn't like meet my expectations. But I don't think he
has a hot child. He was, and I like a

(54:50):
good mustache. Some some children I used to think we're hot.
A list of two people who come to mind, Oh wait,
no three, okay, Number one Peter Pan in the two
thousand three live action Peter Pan. His name was Jeremy something,
and he was very cute. Number two Liam Aiken in
two thousand and four is a Series of Unfortunate Events.

(55:12):
He played Klass little mop top adorable. Number three, and
this was one that I remember. My mom told my
cousins Jamie has a crush on Chris from a direct
to video Casper movie called Casper Returns. And I had
a huge crush on little Chris who had his all.

(55:33):
His hair was like one huge cowlic he had a
middle part, and I was just like, he's so cute,
and I confided in my mom and then she fucking
blew it. She told everyone and my cousins were like,
you like Chris, He's all you know, he only has banks,
And I'm like, I like that. Anyways, three hot children.
I don't remember even when I wasn't a kid, I

(55:54):
don't remember being attracted to like other kids on screen.
Like all my movie crushes were on adult men, which
I don't know what that says about me. And I
went to either my age or very old because then
the incomes the Alfred Molina crush and that and that
gets tricky. This Alfred Molina Dock like Spider Man. Okay,

(56:23):
he's also he's in Frieda and he's Oh I love
chack a lot plays the is the mayor. I want
to say he's not the hot character in the movie,
but I think he's the hot character in the movie.
And the goalie from Mighty Ducks bad Boy and he's

(56:47):
like they get him to be on the team because
he's like so fast, I get blocking on the pucks. Yeah,
I never thought I didn't. I only saw the Mighty Ducks,
I think once, but like, but it's cool, and there's like,
Oh and another hot child, the kid from Ned's Declassified
School Survival Guide. I thought Ned was so cute and

(57:07):
then his his friend, who was a girl, was tall
and I was like, it's me. I'm taller than all
my you know, everyone so small and I'm so big.
And they still had a crush on each other, and
that I was inspired. I was like, wow, small men,
you really can make it happen. Yeah. So that's four
hot children. Oh and Natalie had one two so I

(57:29):
can't think of any Maybe I was just a horny kid.
I don't know, but kids are horny their parts and stuff. Yeah,
they don't realize it, but yeah they are. I mean,
and and every kid has a weird memory, like like,
I remember Corey who lived in the trailer down the street,

(57:49):
who I had such a huge crush at one time.
He like, I mean again, he's like kind of cornered me.
But I was like, oh Corey, you know, and he
got me singing a song from Hercules in my backyard
and then he kissed my forehead. Thank you, thank you

(58:11):
on my forehead because he is a little bit taller
than me. So well, I think it's time. I think
it's time to rate the movie all horned up? Yep,
does anyone want to go first week rate on a
scale of zero to five nipples based on its portrayal
of women? Oh my gosh, I'll go first base on

(58:31):
his portrayal of women. It gets like a zero unfortunately.
But I do love the movie still for nostalgia. But
and you know, I think it's just got some classic moments.
But yeah, zero on its portrayal of women. Unfortunately. Yeah,

(58:51):
I'll give it a zero as well. I want, Okay,
we gotta I think that this is more of a
call to actually, we gotta do a sand Lot reboot.
Replace the boy twins with girl twins were good to go, like, yeah, yeah,
just give us, give us a new sand lot with
with a girl, and then everything else can yeah, you know,

(59:13):
and give the mom a name. Yeah if if she
and Dennis Leary can even still be the dad if
he wants if he's not. He was a big hit
with you, isn't he. I love Dennis. Yeah. Well, anyways,
so I give it zero nipples. If I were to
give it a nipple of any sort that I would
like to specify, it would be James Earl Jones's blind nipples. Yeah,

(59:37):
I was. I was going to give it like a
half nipple until he said, well, just because we don't
even think we've ever given a movie zero nipples, especially
because one should I give it a one? I mean, well, no,
I don't think it deserves that much. Really, just it's
just no female characters, and the ones that there are,
you know, they're heavily objectified. They have very little screen time.

(01:00:02):
His mom is. I mean, I guess I don't have
any problems with her. I couldn't think of anything, but
she's like she's just a little exposition machine. He's like
all scared of the dad though. She Yeah, it's like
when you maybe have time, can you teach about pride?
Like he's about to hit her or something. And then
his dad. Oh god, any movie where like the dad

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is always in a different room. You're just like, God,
what is he doing in that room? What is he
doing in the room? Yeah? Yeah, so I guess you
guys are saying that reboot I but not videobots, no,
give us a wide release. Yeah, like, actually a good
movie though, That's what I'm saying, like so many times,

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the reboot of movie it just sucks. Yeah, you know,
give us another Mighty Ducks as well. Yeah, I just
meant or adults, but maybe I'll say they could just
think of like a new thing. I love Amelia West
of Us. Yeah, hey, I'm gonna give it zero nipples. Um.

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The women are just uh, you know, poor Wendy. I
want to like, give her more lines, give her make
her not okay with her being kissed against her will.
Don't make her marriage. I don't make her marriage at
least that I mean, come on, it was like at
it in the titles, like it's a bit much. Yeah,
Sama is a good movie for nostalgia. It's a bad

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movie for for women in terms of the way the
characters are just don't exist or are. You know. This
is why we have the podcast because sometimes it's hard
to be like, I love this movie, but God calls
spade a spade. Sometimes I don't need it. I like.
I like a lot of the like Little the Boy characters.
They're fun. You know, it's a little boys movie for

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like little boys. Yeah they've got the chubby one. Yeah
they've got they have of course. Yeah. I mean I
guess because Hand became a wrestler, was like, that's pretty dope.
Well not in real life, but in his epilog. I
don't know if any of these kids act anymore. I

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think Ham does funny or die video or something good
for him. Let's not good for him or good for him.
Hey Natalie, where can people find you online? Oh my gosh,
find me at nat Dog cat Dog on Twitter Cat
with a K and on Instagram at Natalie Palmidies. Also

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shout out to all those Scottish bricklayers out there had
coming through and yeah they'll be like from Scotland, there's
a brick there's been there working me up over here.
Thank you so much for being here. Yeah, thanks chanting

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about this movie with us. Yeah, it's been a ton
of fun. Has now home run and what I don't know.
I try to say something at the end of the
episode that's like Okay, I think we're starting a new part.
I was like, oh, oh, we're finished. Just go out
there and hit a home run with your life, everybody.

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If you reach for the stars, you might get there. Yeah.
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