The Sixth Sense

This week Jamie and Caitlin are ghosts who chat about The Sixth Sense live in Philadelphia!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, what's Uh, it's a quick announcement at the top
of the show. You know how these go. It's a
live show, so we gotta announce it months in the future. Uh.
And we'll speaking of live shows, yeah, we've got some
coming up pending coronavirus. We don't know about Corona cancelations
will show up and you can confin our mouths as

(00:22):
far as I'm concerned. That's how committed we are to
our fans. But upcoming shows, we have a show that
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(00:44):
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(01:25):
Fingers crossed that there will not be day safe. Wash
your hands, be healthy, stay, yes, do all that, do
all that good stuff, and uh, without further ado, here
is an episode we recorded back in January in Philadelphia
about the sixth sins Enjoy on the Beck dol Cast.

(01:45):
The questions asked if movies have women and them? Are
all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? Do they have individualism?
The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing it with the Beck
del Cast. Everybody welcome here, we are Philadelphia. We're back.

(02:06):
Who's who's been here to see us before? Oh? I
love I love when people are studios and they're like
me hand up there, my hand. We're so sacked to
be back. We love good goods so much. Yes, yes,
thanks for coming. Uh well we're the good God. We're
the bectel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte, I'm Jamie

(02:28):
Loftus and this is our feminist movie podcast. Has anyone Well,
we'll do a quick, quick quiz at the top. Um,
so this is the free applause part. Who here has
listened to the Bechtel Cast? Wow, validation, validation, we love it? Okay, um?
And then practical who has not listened to the Bechtel Cast.

(02:50):
I'll be shy right in this we see front Okay, Okay,
there's work to be done. So today's movie is the
sixth sense? Who has seen the movie? Kah and has
anyone not? There's one person? Oh my gosh, I it's

(03:14):
so it's such a well we'll talk about it. But
like I never got to see this movie without knowing
the twist that happened. So I never got to see
a good movie. It's like it's not fair. I felt cheated.
Oh well, we'll talk about I'm kidding. It's the greatest
movie ever made. But like you've seen it? What? Um?

(03:36):
So we're doing the sixth sense today. We're doing it
because Galaxy Brain, it happens here, it does Philadelphia? Ever
heard of it? Um? We should say what the Bexel
cast is? Yes, let's do that. So we are a
feminist movie podcast. We analyze the portrayal of women in film,
one movie at a time. There's no movie, so there's

(03:59):
no if you left. We use the Bechdel test as
a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation, and that,
of course, is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison
Bechdel that requires that two female identifying characters with names
have to speak to each other about something other than
a man. Does it happen in movies? Every once in
a while? It does? Sometimes there I not to I mean, okay,

(04:23):
I will say anytime someone says that they've listened to
our podcast but is lying, they're like, oh, your show,
isn't it about you spend an hour trying to figure
out if it passes the Bechdel test. No, what imagine
if we were just pouring over the screw every single
line of dialogue. How do you feel? Nope, doesn't look
like it like, but can we demonstrate the Bechdel test

(04:47):
for anyone who's not familiar. Yes, Hey, Jamie Caitlin, I
see Dead Women. Wow, that's so brave and progressive of you.
And that's like, you know, it doesn't have to be
good writing. It just has to be writing. Um. And

(05:09):
so that's what we're doing here, and so um. After
you know, people have been begging us, Jamie Caitlin, do
a feminist analysis of the sixth Cents. It's our top request.
Everyone wants to know. But like, I mean, really the
Benett I mean, I'm just thrilled that we get to
talk about Haley Joel Osmond. Um my my lifelong crush.

(05:31):
So this episode will not pass at all because we'll
just be talking about when you talk about Haley Josmond.
It does pass the Ptel test we checked. Same applies
to Alfred Molina. Of course, if I have a crush
on them, it passes the Piketel test. Um is that's

(05:51):
cannon um, Caitlin, What is your history with the cinematic
masterpiece The sixth Sense. I saw the movie in theaters
in nine in do Boys, Pennsylvania, and anyone familiar. I
was twelve or thirteen. Didn't really know anything about it

(06:15):
except that it was like, you know, the hot movie
of the moment. It was very spooky, and because I
was the age that I was, I thought it was great. Um,
this movie is for twelve year olds, Like this is
like this movie is like the most hardcore ship a
twelve year old has ever seen. Like I think that

(06:35):
like that kind of applies to like might Shine's entire filmography.
Like if you're twelve, you're like, this ship is unbelievable.
But then when you are, you know, thirteen, you're like, oh,
what what is happening? And I don't think I had
seen it again since? But because it's such like it's
such a huge part, it's infiltrated pop culture that everyone

(06:59):
knows the twist ending everyone knows the famous line about
seeing dead people not women, not feminist. No, I think
it's a gender neutral term and it's and it's you know,
all encompassing. I think that Haley Joel Osmond is in icon.
He probably insisted on that line what if I'm ni
shan One was like, okay, you're gonna say I see
dead hetero men, and Haley Joel Osmond's like, now I

(07:23):
have an idea. I know I have eight years old,
but let's be inclusive, you know, I hope, so I'm
gonna be cutting them all kinds of slack. What is
your history with the movie? Not much? I I was
too I wasn't allowed to see this movie when it
came out, um, because I think it was like six
or seven when it came out, and so I didn't

(07:44):
get to see it, but I knew the twist years before.
I think I finally saw it maybe in middle school,
but I already knew the twist because some jackass at
school had sucked it up for me. So I didn't
I like to the twist. But by that point, I
think I had seen the sixth sense after I'd seen

(08:04):
Hayley Joel Osmond in Secondhand Lions, and I'm right, we
have some secondhand Lions. The Secondhand Lions High has come
to Philadelphia. It's like Lions, Uh, not that bad. Pretty good,
that's pretty good. I think that that, you know, pretty good,
that's solid pretty good. But that that was like where
my crush really like solidified. I'm like, well, we've got

(08:27):
to go back, We've got to see everything. So that
was so I went to see it for horny child purposes.
Uh and I was like, okay, you know, and that's
my entire history. And then I watched it again. I
forgot Tony Collette is in this movie. I saw this
movie before I knew who Tony Colette was, so I
didn't know she was in it at all. Yeah, I

(08:49):
think that Tony Colette, like I mean, based on the
interviews I've read with her, it seems like maybe she
would prefer We Forgot You was in this movie. She's like, yeah, anyways,
knives out like she just blaze through it. Although I
think that Tony Colett's character in this movie is kind
of like the lightest version of her character in Hereditary

(09:10):
because a lot of times in movies, Tony Colette is
just like, what's going on with my son? Like that
is the part she's given a lot like multiple She's
just like she's on screen and we're like, oh, I
went over. Her motivation is, She's like, my son's doing
fucked up things and and then that's them. I'm like, come,
we gotta you know she should have an oscar. Not

(09:32):
for this though. She was nominated though, right for this movie?
Am I wrong? Oh my god? She was for what Wait?
I love Tony Colette, but you're just like she's dressed
like Velma from Scooby Too. At the end of the movie.
She was nominated for the Best Supporting Actress. That is

(09:53):
so funny. It's like, I mean she didn't win. I
mean she didn't. I mean I don't think so she
didn't win. Did you notice that when you were rewatching it,
like the end of the movie where Hayley Joel Osmond
and um Tony Collette's relationship is like resolved. At the end,
She's dressed exactly like Velma from Scooby Doo. She's wearing

(10:16):
the turtleneck dark, the hairstyle is exactly the same, and
she's crying. But I'm like, I can't engage. I'm so
distracted by the fact that she's cosplaying during this. I mean,
when you think of it, the sixth sense is like
a very gritty Scooby Doo narrative unpacked and who unpacked that?

(10:37):
Who is the bad guy in this movie? Death? Is
it like Final Destination? In that way we should come
and Final Destination movie? Um, they'll all pass and kid um.
But um, yeah, I don't know. I guess that. The
I mean, the closest we get to a villain in
this movie is Munchausen's by proxy mom, who I forgot

(11:00):
about and I'm like, what is that doing here? And
then there's little Misha Barton. We'll get to that too.
Well should I do the recamp? Yeah? I guess we
started on accidents, So here we go. Um. Dr Malcolm
crow Is Bruce Willis and a million times a movie,
or like, it's not dr Ian Malcolm dr Malcolm Crow.

(11:22):
This is not Drastic Park as much as we want
it to be. Um and his wife and a Crow
and a crow. Yeah. I like in the beginning scene
her whole thing, she's like, I'm your wife. She literally
says that. She's like, I'm your wife and you don't
pay attention to me, And he's like, anyways, Like that's

(11:43):
the whole first scene, they're staring at a plaque that's
honoring his accomplishment at a job we soon learn he's
not that good at good at and she says like,
I'm your wife and your mean and he's like, ha ha,
But that's they're celebrating because he's received an award from
the City of Philadelphia. I hope that, you know, Philly

(12:09):
doesn't just give out awards for this kind of stuff.
And then a former patient of his, Vincent Gray, who
was played by Donnie Wahlberg. But I okay, So, for
some reason, when I was rewatching this movie with my boyfriend,
kill me. I'm not a feminist, uh As I was

(12:31):
watching it with him, and for some reason, I was
so one million percent sure that the guy who shoots
Bruce Willis was Christian Bale to the boy where when
he came on screen and it was visibly not Christian Bale,
I was like, he's a chameleon, Like he's so good
that he has a different head. But it's not. It's

(12:54):
Donnie Wahlberg. He lost forty pounds to do this one scene,
which is like kind of embarrassing for him. But imagine
losing forty pounds and then being on set maximum two days.
You know, like what was he trying to prove? Whatever
it was, it didn't work. He owns a cheeseburger, you know, joy.

(13:15):
Whatever he does. Fine. So this former patient, Vincent gray
Um feels Dr. Malcolm Crowe has completely failed him, and
so he shoots Malcolm in the abdomen and then he
shoots himself in the head. We cut to the following fall.
Malcolm is stalking a child the way, Yeah we see that. Yeah, No,

(13:41):
he's stalking. He's stalking a child named Cole's Steer. Also Cole.
Okay for everyone in the crowd who's like, wait, Cole Seer.
This movie is very subtle. You have to be careful
with these sort of things, but it's not spelled as
E E are no you. It's subtle different there. It

(14:05):
is really fun to read. Like I have some quotes
for later, but whenever. M n Chanel like when this
movie was coming out, he was interviewing for this movie
as if the very obvious things in the movie were
so subtle. He's like, well, Cole Seer, now not everyone's
gonna get this, but he's sears dead people. So we

(14:31):
find out that Cole is Malcolm's patient, and he's a
sweet boy. He's he's an angel, he's a talent, you know,
Jacob Tremblay wishes you know. But there there's something different
about Cole. He's not like the other boys, not like
the other Seers. And he speaks Latin and he opens

(14:55):
all the drawers in the kitchen or is that him
or is it we don't know. We meet his mom,
lyndsay here, that's totally and she's like, don't look at me.
So Cole and Malcolm have an appointment at Cole's house
and we learn more about him, like he made a
drawing that depicted this violent murder and he has a secret. Okay,

(15:19):
So meanwhile, um, Malcolm's home life is rough. He and
his wife keeps ignoring him, and we're like, why does
anyone into the crowd not know? Okay, never mind, but
like it's so like there is this thing with thrillers.
We're just talking about this backstage. There is this thing

(15:40):
with like thrillers that have a twist that you can
really only tell if they're a good movie when you've
seen it twice. Like if anyone is seen Parasite, I
will not spoil anything. There's a twist in the movie,
and when you see it the second time, you're like, oh,
this is an amazing movie because it gets even better
once you know the twist, whereas the sixth sense is
a little different. Once you know the twys, You're like, oh,

(16:03):
this is the worst thing I've ever seen in my
entire I can't wait. I have so many questions that
are going to poke some holes in this plot. We're
really going to show him. This movie was nominated for
Best Picture that year, I know, but like not a
good year for anyone. That's okay. So wife is ignoring

(16:27):
and his wife. Malcolm and Cole meet again and they're
making some progress, but there's something that's really troubling Coal
and we still don't know what it is. He has
an outburst at school. Then there's this birthday party incident
where some mean boys lock coal and a little cupboard,
and then he has some sort of seizure type thing.

(16:49):
Then Malcolm is with him in the hospital and Cole
says he's ready to tell Malcolm his secret, and the
trailer moment we get the line line, I see dead women.
Haley Joel Osman is a really good actor. He's you

(17:10):
know me. I don't like a lot of child actors,
but Haley Joel really knocks out of the park. He's perfect.
He's perfect in all subsequent roles as well. I have
a whole section later. Okay, good, Okay. So he sees
dead people, and the ghosts that he sees there everywhere.
They don't know that they're dead. He sees them all

(17:30):
the time, and it's just they're very melodramatic, these ghosts
that he sees, they apparently have all died very violent
deaths as well. There's no I thought that was because
of its like, oh, it's just people with unfinished business
who they're unfinished businesses. I want to scream at Haley
Joel Osman, like their unfinished business has never really made

(17:51):
that clear. They just want to yell at him and
scare him. It's a lot of people died having not
yelled at him yet, and that is what a as
them to pass on. I guess who knows This movie
makes no sense. So Malcolm assumes that Cole seeing dead
people is the result of a mental illness. But we

(18:12):
start to learn that there actually are dead people walking
around who torment and abuse and yellow at coal. So
Malcolm he's under a lot of pressure. He says he's
going to transfer Cole to another doctor because he needs
to spend more time with his wife's wife and because
his wife is getting a little flirty with some guy,

(18:34):
and Bruce Willis is acting out about it because he
doesn't know he's dead and so forth right, but Cold
begs Malcolm to help him and believe him because you know,
hashtag believe Haley. I think everyone in the crowd would
agree we as a fan base believe Haley. Joelw Hosmins.

(19:00):
So Malcolm starts to reflect back on his treatment of
Vincent the person from the beginning of the movie Christian Bale,
not Christian Bale, Donnie Wahlberg, and he plays back some
old tapes, and Malcolm realizes that Vincent had this same
seeing dead people curse, which we learn apparently only afflicts

(19:23):
little boys whose parents are divorced. That's Malcolm is obsessed
with divorce. Anytime you see him, like treating a patient,
the first thing about them is like first name, last name,
status of parents, marriage and that, like he's so, and
then he's like divorced. Okay, this kid is going to
be I'm like, you know, by that logic, half of

(19:46):
the planet would see people. Yeah, which we do. Well,
you were a child of divorce, y, yes, right now,
but I can see them. My parents are their marriage
is legally binding, so I can't see dead people. Have Yeah,

(20:06):
get them to sign the papers. Your life is going
to change. Bryce Willis is going to show up, Okay,
So Malcolm he realizes that the dead people that Cole
is seeing just want help from Coal. They want cold
to help them, and he thinks, he's like, if you

(20:27):
just listen to them, they'll go away. Um. But it's
still very unclear what some of the ghosts want to
help with, because we really only find out about one
of them, which is ghost She shows up. She's puking
everywhere and then feminists. Cole is like, Hi, how can

(20:48):
I help you? And this is his first customer service.
That is a lot of customer services. Someone puking at
you and you're being like, I don't mind this. Like
so we cut to Cole and Malcolm going to her
funeral and everyone thinks she died of a terminal illness,

(21:08):
but Cole helps uncover that Misha Barton was actually being
poisoned by her own mother. In a scene that hint
hint passes the Bechtel test when you know what your
mom is killing you and it passes. That was a
wild one. She was like, I want you to eat

(21:29):
your soup and don't complain about how it tastes. Passes.
This is one of my new favorite passes. It's really good.
So that has been resolved, and then Cole tells his
mom about his secret. There's this exchange about she's dressed

(21:50):
like grandmother, right, and Malcolm is like, Okay, I'm gonna
try to reconnect with my hint his wife. But but
it's because Cole says something that outside the context of
the movie is like, He's like, I know what you
should do talk to your his wife while she's asleep,
and I'm like, if he's alive, this is the scariest

(22:13):
thing that's ever been set. Like, imagine waking up and
someone you love being like, I just wish I could connected.
I feel like text me, I know, just yeah. But

(22:34):
but like Haley Joel Osmi gives this advice because he
knows Bruce Willis is dead, and Bruce Willis just receives
it like never thought. Okay, That's what I'm unclear about.
Does Haley Joel know that he definitely does? Yeah, that's
what when he says all the time, he's like, literally
right now, I'm saying dead people. Wait, am I the

(22:56):
am I alone here? I thought that he didn't know.
He definitely knows. He definitely, Like he gives hints all
the time that he knows. My interpretation maybe I'm giving
m night Shine like too much credit, but my interpretation
is he doesn't tell Bruce Willis that he's dead because
if he tells him he's dead, Bruce Willis will disappear,
he'll go away, and he doesn't want Bruce Willis to

(23:17):
go away because daddy issues. However interpreted, I interpreted knows
that he had no idea and he was like, Oh,
here's a child psychologist conveniently here to help me. Did
you underestimate Hayley John Osman. He well, no, because at
the end he says like, this is the last time

(23:37):
I'm going to see you, huh, because he knows that,
Like I think maybe he figures it out by the end.
Maybe I don't know. I literally I was like, he
doesn't know, just like we don't know. Well. It's like,
I mean, the logic of this movie relies on Bruce
Willis his character being very stupid, which he is, but
it's like there's multiple scenes where it's like if you

(23:59):
were Lee Joel Osmond and there was a strange man
in your hospital room that your mom had never met,
you would be like, mom, you know, but like but psycho,
but a psychologist, But like we don't. I mean, Bruce
Willis just shows up and he's like, I'm You're like,
I don't know. I think Hayley Joel Osmond knows. Well.
One of my questions that would poke holes in the

(24:21):
story logic is like how did this patient doctor relationship start.
That's why I feel like Hayley Joel Osmond just accepts
it because he can tell when people are dead, and
he's like, oh, this ghost seems like less bleeding than usually. Like,
let's see where this goes? Got it? Okay, well this

(24:42):
has just crumbled my entire life. I could be wrong.
I don't know that. I want to take a poll.
Can we who read it the way that Jamie reads it?
That Hayley knew that grando applause? Okay, okay, A fair
amount of people okay, rand up, applause who did not know?

(25:03):
And I thought that Cole does not know that he's
a ghost. Okay, okay. So we have some MENSA members
in the room, and we have some people's master's degrees
in the room. You know, being a MENSA member costs
sixty how much? Anyways, I don't know. I mean, I

(25:26):
guess it doesn't. I mean, at the end of the day,
how hard was and they trembled thinking about that? I
mean not there's so many plot holes? Um okay? So
they So Bruce Wallis is like, I gotta go reconnect
with my wife, and then his attempt to do that
makes him learn that he's been dead the whole time

(25:51):
because he was shot. He was killed whenever when when
shot him? Yes, and uh, that's the movie. And then
we're like, wow, it's perfect. No notes, Okay, I mean

(26:12):
should we start with like what a dogshit child? Psychologist?
Malcolm is like alive or dead. He's he's trash, he's
so bad. Like he we've already sort of talked a
little bit about his like obsession with divorce, where he's
like divorce equals mental illness equals ghosts. Like he's like

(26:34):
really taking it a long way. And then another thing
that I noticed just throughout the movie is he also
has a like a strong aversion to medicating any sort
of mental illness. There's this really dramatic shot when he's
first of all, watching his wife shower. She doesn't know
he's there, and then he so, okay, weird to start,

(26:58):
and then he it pans over and there's a very
dramatic shot of her bottle of zoe loft, and he's
like like, first of all, everyone on the planets is
all like like what are you taught? Like? And he's
a psychologists, a psychologist. I'm like, oh my god, have
you never prescribed someone zoved? You? Probably should, you know.

(27:21):
So he's he's like so deeply shocked that his wife
would dare to go so far as to take Zolf
and then when Cole tells him, you know, I see
dead people that are around me all the time. And
then Malcolm like reassesses his like evaluation of Colon. He's like, oh,
it's like worse than I thought. He might need hospitalization

(27:44):
and medication, and then proceeds to not do anything about it.
Like he's just like, well, we'll just meet like several
more times. I'll go to his play. So that's like
also dr patient, Like that breaches something right, Like imagine
if if my like therapist came to like here, I

(28:06):
would be like get stage less talk. But like, but
in theory, that's very unprofessional, Yes, I think so. But
one okay, but one thing I did like that Bruce
Willis does was when he leaves the first place he
goes to two plays. Also he's like school has so
many plays, which goes into the whole daddy issues thing
that I have later. But um, at the end of

(28:28):
the first play, he's like, well it was better than cats,
and You're like, you fucking idiot, like this was not
better than and then we're like, oh, well, I never
was there ever. A cat's so clever imagine, and there's
and there's also like, first of all, like Hailey Hilsmond

(28:49):
wishes he was Skimble Shanks in his wildest dreams and
he could have done I have no doubt, but you know,
which was a majority British cast. But all that to say, um,
you know what is that phrase about people? Is it?
People in glass houses? Shouldn't throw stones? M night shimels
coming after Cats? I'm like, it's all bad, honey, Like

(29:13):
it's all you can't be like in the middle of
the sixth sense the stupidest movie ever and be like
Cat sucked, right, I'm like, sir, it all sucked. Like
calm down, I okay, I don't think this movie is terrible.
I don't. I don't think it's terrible. I just think
it's dumb. It's very stupid. Dumb movies are fun all

(29:35):
the time. For example Cats, of course, can I ask
my questions? Ask your questions? Thank you so much. Okay,
So the movie does a little bit to show the
Malcolm and his his his wife have grown apart and
they don't really talk anymore. But we're to believe that
he's been dead for several months. He's been doing for

(29:57):
a while, and then it's like we just I'm mean,
the story logic is so bizarre where it's like, I mean,
and most people did suspend their disbelief, like I mean,
including me, and but it's like we're to believe that, um,
Bruce Willis has not spoken to his wife, had a conversation,
they wouldn't have had sex or like kissed or anything

(30:18):
like that, which I mean, it happens, but like I mean,
if you're not even having a conversation, eventually you're gonna
be like, hey, you like okay, So like that would
be me like day two, I mean I would be like,
excuse me, past the but what does he been eating? You? Right?

(30:41):
What does he She's been making dinner for one And
then like day fifty, he's like I'm hungry, Like what
you would you humor me, Jamie and you pretend to
be my wife and I'll be dead Bruce Willis, and
You're just gonna have to ignore everything I day because
I'm dead right, Okay, I'm horny for someone. Also, it

(31:05):
is kind of okay, wait, can I break um the
fact that it has only been a couple of months,
and she's like, I should probably be fucking I'm like,
you know what, everyone grieves differently. I'm okay with a
very horny grief. Okay, So you're my bed his wife
and his wife. Hey, honey, how was your day at work? Honey?

(31:28):
Did you have Why are you ignoring me? Did you
have a bad day? Something wrong? Yeah? That's also we
were to believe that she hasn't talked about it at all,
like he's never walking on her on the phone, being

(31:49):
like so about my husband's assets, like right, or like
the funeral, the funeral? Where was he what? Or I
mean it was it? Are we supposed to believe that
maybe he like came to said but then we okay,
someone saying yes. But then it's also like he's acting
like we've been growing apart for months and so I

(32:11):
don't know, I don't know. It doesn't make sense. But
it was nominated for many oscars, not the first time. Okay.
So does Malcolm not notice or care that he apparently
has only one patient and it's and one outfit, one outfit,

(32:32):
one outfit, yeah, his his sweater. Does he not notice
that no one seems to talk to him except a
small child? Um? No, he does. He thinks people are
talking around him all the time, but no one ever
direct Imagine if no one ever directly addressed you, you
would just feel like you were in junior high again,
Like it would be he's just living in right. No

(32:55):
one seems to notice he exists, but he doesn't notice that.
Does he think he's getting paid? Right? This jig goes
on for a while and you're like, is Tony Colette
supposed to be paying it? But it's like, I guess
they only see what they want to see, which is
like such a like throwaway line that excuses a lot
of plot holes. He's sending her like ghost bills. She's

(33:17):
not replying to his ghost invoices. You know we've all
been there, right, next question, Um, So various times when
it seems like Cole would be under adult supervision because
he seems to be with Malcolm, then you realize he
was just like alone in that hospital room, alone, walking

(33:39):
the halls of his school at night, alone, walking around
in a park like he was just like always a
talking talking talk no one. If you saw a tiny
little Haley Joel Osman baby talking to no one, you
would be like, I'm abducting you, you know, like you
might do that here my son. Now I don't know someone,
but some would do something. If not that, they would

(34:04):
be like are you, where's your mom? What's going on?
And then also why after Vincent Gray kills himself, why
does Cole never see him? Because he would be a
ghost unless he doesn't have any unfinished business. I guess
his business was to kill Bruce Willis. He was like,
I'm out, I don't know, we don't we have no

(34:25):
background for him. They're just like, well, child of divorce,
So clearly you're gonna want to kill Bruce Willis. Although
I think Vincent Gray is maybe one of the more
realistic characters in the story because he showed, I mean,
the ends don't justify the I don't know if I'm
using that phrase correctly, but you know, he does say, hey,

(34:46):
Bruce Willis, you're a shitty psychologist. You said because I
was divorced, I would like my parents were divorced. I
was satan and now you will pay Like that part
shouldn't have happened. But like up till then, he was
like really on a roll. He was a bad child psychologist. Also,
he's always violating hippo laws because he's like telling his

(35:07):
life about his patient. Nation that's not allowed. It's I know, well,
it's well because he has to talk about his job
to his wife, because we don't know anything about his
wife other than she's like, I feel neglected, and then
he dies we do find out. So if we're talking
about I mean, unfortunately, there's really not a ton of

(35:29):
discussion to be had about his wife because we know
so little about her other than she was married to him.
And then she's sad that she's not around anymore. She says,
home watching the wedding tape, you know, the whole bit
she's wearing out the VHS. There's one scene where we
see her at work at I think an antique shop

(35:49):
that sells jewelry. But the one thing we see her working,
she's like gaslighting a couple into buying a diamond ring
they clearly can't afford. Um. And then the unnamed female character,
one of the only non white characters in the movie, Um,
she's talking to her future husband and and she and

(36:12):
you know, it's just like it's kind of the classic
trope of like women be desiring blood diamonds, and and
so his wife, you know, gaslights the couple into being like, no,
this is actually a good idea and so that scene
is bad. Also, why is that scene really there? Does that? Uh?

(36:35):
What happens after that is the guy who's like who's
interested in her and who Bruce Willis is jealous of.
She she like gives him a gift. But we didn't
need the scene prior to that at a thing, We
didn't really need everything. I mean, I'm like, I didn't
all the scenes. You're like, I guess I could take
or leave it, Like, but that was a weird one.

(36:56):
And and yeah there is is he named there's like,
there's some guy who is interested in her and then
she's like, but but I can't, you know, because she's
not um through her grief process, which which is I
think like a valid arc. But that's the most you
get out of her, is like she is someone who
has lost her spouse recently and is like not sure

(37:20):
if she's ready to move on. That all makes sense, um,
but that's like literally all we get, right. I mean, overall,
the women who are in the story are really only
there because of their relationships to the two main male characters,
Mothers and Wives. That's just Mothers and Wives and the

(37:41):
Tony Collette character is slightly more important. Yeah, I think
the most important female character, which is like I'm not
saying that much, but they cast Tony Collette, you know,
so you're like that's significant, right, her character, I mean
I like her character. I think we are told that
she she's a single parent because divorce equals ghosts, and

(38:05):
she's a single parent. She has two jobs, but we
don't know what either of them are, right, which is like,
all right, I'm not ti one was you know, we
got you know, but she's it's just supposed to be
like she's working very hard, and then it's a Tony
Collette role in the nineties or early two thousands, so
she's like, what's going on with my son? Right? Yeah,

(38:26):
although I would say so what little we do know
about her, right, is that she she's divorced, she's working
two jobs. She is really good, a really good mother.
She's very caring and attentive. I think she's like appropriately
concerned for Cole's safety while also being like frustrated by
his at times alarming behavior because he's being haunted by ghosts.

(38:49):
But then her also like she's frustrated by her own
inability to help him, Like there's that scene where she's
just like they're kind of arguing about this like Bumblebee pendant,
and she's like, I'm so I'm tired in my body,
in my mind, in my heart, and like you can
tell she's like trying very hard to be a good
mother and she just has a son who sees dead people.

(39:11):
So how do you mean mothers in the audience that? Um? Yeah, No,
I mean I I I like her character, and I
also think that we don't in like pop culture in general,
you don't get a ton of mother son's stories that
um play out eventually as positively as this one does.

(39:33):
I feel like there's and and this movie has this
as well, but there's a lot of father son's stories
because men be making movies about their problems. Um. But
I think that like mother's son relationships are kind of
under represent and father daughter as well. But um yeah,
So so I like that you understand why Tony Colette

(39:55):
feels frustrated. It doesn't seem irrational at all. And you
also understand why Cole is an of is to tell
her because he doesn't want to be labeled as, you know,
an unstable child of divorce, which Bruce Willis is labeling
him ask um. So I like their relationship and I
also like because I sort of forgot, I forgot about

(40:15):
the scene, the scene where she stresses Velma at the end,
which does make me cry, um because I'm easily manipulated,
but um where their relationship resolves is and the way
that sort of Haley Joel Osmond proves to Tony Collette
that she should believe Haley Joel Osmond is he, you know,

(40:35):
shares an anecdote about his grandmother, her mother who passed away,
and they're crying and she believes him, and you don't know.
I'm like, what is she going to do now? Like
we don't really know, but you're like, okay, They're okay.
She believes him and they're going to figure it out,
which I think was like a lovely mother son relationship
arc indeed, especially because in that moment we realize that

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Haley Joel Osmond's character is a feminist icon because he's
trying to help women pass the Bechdel test. He's like, hey, mom,
Grandma says, Hi, she saw you at the dance recital
and she wants you to know that you make her
proud every day. And Tony class not catching on. She's like,
uh huh. I'm like, no, you have to talk to her,

(41:23):
Come on there. Haley Cosmond's okay, his entire character, like
his name is cold, but it's like it's Haley to Osmond,
um his whole character. I like his character. I think
Cole is a little sweetie pie. He's a troubled boy.
But he's literally being haunted by every plot ghost. Every

(41:45):
plot relevant ghost is haunting him. All the non plot
relevant ghost who knows where they are. Um, But I
like the first ghost that he's able to break through
with is Misha Barton, So he's help helping women expose
their mother's crimes feminists. Um, he's an ally. He's an ally.

(42:05):
He just is Um. But but what I really do
like about the way, and it's like I don't know
how intentional this is, because I don't think that this
is like a movie that's like meant to show like
young people a role model through this haunted child. But
maybe I don't, we don't know. But but in general,
I mean I think it would be kind of like

(42:26):
an easy, bad writing thing to have, you know, because
like Haley draw Osmond's character is being bullied like other
boys who are very like, you know, emulating macho behaved
Tommy to Tamas Seema. He's a cough syrup commercial so
he's the best actor in the world. He's like that

(42:46):
character hilarious icon, uh, feminist icon Tommy tamas you know,
um question mark. But you know we see all we
see other other young boys like bullying Haley Joel Osmond,
and he's very like typically like macho ways and Haley
Jelosmond doesn't respond with like toxicity. He's just like, I've

(43:10):
got bigger fish to fry. I look Tommy Tennessineo, we'll
deal with him later. We've got we've got ghosts that
are screaming, like so scratching him and they're scratching him.
Why are they scratching him? He's so nice. Also, on
the rewatch the special effects in this movie. I'm like,
I looked up because I'm like, maybe this movie was

(43:32):
made for fourteen dollars, but it was not. It was
they had a forty million dollar budget in so like
even more now. But if you look at there's a
scene where you see, um, I mean, you know, female
ghosts representations pretty good in this movie. But one of
the first ones is a mother who has um. We're
to like she split her wrists. We don't find anything

(43:54):
else out other than she wants to scream like her
unfinished business. We don't know. I think she it's implied
that she has an abusive husband, right, but it's like,
what's Haley joel Osma going to do about that? Anyway?
But but when when she turns and we see the
special effects, it's literally like I party, like like it's
like the effects are not there. It's just like, yeah,

(44:17):
it's Halloween makeup that they're wearing. And then Misha Barton
has like a CVS brand like ghost makeup on her um.
Going back to the mother son relationship because I I
also quite like the way it plays out, especially because
so you know she's a single mother. We're not totally

(44:40):
sure how recent the divorce was, or how recently his
dad left, or how long he's been seeing ghosts, but
we have to assume since the day alcause there's all
those photos on the wall where like Tony Klauds like
what's this little shimmer in this photograph? And there was
some of h Well, then that challenges I thought it
was like, oh, your father and I got divorced and

(45:03):
that second is like boop, like ghosts have logged in. Oh,
so it's just like you're born with it. Maybe he
thought it was once your parents get divorced, you see ghosts.
Maybe it's that when you have a baby who sees ghosts,
it's so much pressure on your marriage that you get divorced.

(45:23):
Oh is a self fulfilling prophecy. You're like, why is it?
Why are there so many orbs in this picture of
our son? And then they break up? So really, when
you what you're saying is the divorce is Haley Joel
Osmond's fault, and we love to hear that the divorce
was the child's fault. I don't wishing interesting you would say,

(45:49):
but the relationship between mother and son in a lot
of movies you would see that dynamic play out where
like the boy would be like, when's daddy coming home?
Where's my dad? Like, either in an implicit or an
explicit idea that the mother isn't enough he needs a
male parental figure. I agree with that, but I would

(46:09):
also because Cole doesn't do that. But yeah, well, but
because it's like you know, it's Tony Collett, like it's
made very clear that she is a good mother, she's
trying her best to understand. But but then you kind
of I feel like m Night Shamling kind of has
it both ways because Bruce Willis comes in, he becomes

(46:29):
this parental figure. He's showing up to plays, he's showing
up to the hospital, he's doing these quote unquote fatherly duties,
and it's I feel like the plot would have you
believe that Haley Joe Osmond wouldn't have been able to
resolve his issues without this ghost father figure appearing and
then like probably kind of dramatically disappearing. But I don't know.

(46:52):
I was sort of because I was like, oh, that's
cool that, Like I do I love the mother son relationship.
But but I feel like there's also the slight implication
by the movie that Tony Colett couldn't have gotten the
job done on her own, like they ghost Daddy needed
to come in for a few weeks. Wasn't a ghost,
so she can't help with the ghosts, I know, which

(47:12):
is just like rude. It's like Tony could be a
ghost if she wanted. He didn't tell her, but I
I don't know. Yeah, it was like it wasn't like
I I and again I'm just like, I don't know
who who was thinking this hard about it. I think
we're we have like thought a few laps around the
first draft of the script, but um, I don't know.

(47:33):
I feel like there is the implication that it's still
like that nuclear family dynamic that is able to accomplish
what the story wants to. I see what you're saying,
but I feel like Bruce willis who knows how long
he's been stalking Cold before they actually start talking to
each other. But I feel like it's implied that he's
only around for maybe a few weeks or a couple

(47:55):
of months or so before he then like disappears, because
it's like he needs to help Cole needs to help
Mischelle Barton for some reason. And then everyone's fine, question
like we don't know they need to help each other
like ather On me but there, but I don't know. Yeah,
the I said, ultimately, the doomsday clock is at a

(48:18):
hundred seconds. That's what I'm gonna start saying when I
run out of idea. Ok Uh, there is like there's
a few times when you learn that like Cole wears
his dad's like glasses, or like the frames of his
glasses or like his watch. Maybe it's just like a
small attempt to be like I wish my daddy was

(48:40):
still here. But it's not overwhelming. But then yeah, because
you know, Bruce Willis does sort of step into be
his his dad, his father. Yeah, I don't know, like yeah,
most of the stuff. I mean, I feel like there's
a version of this movie that would have like hit
on that theme way harder, in a more egregious way. Um,
But as it is, I mean, I mean, it's it's fine. Yeah,

(49:03):
it's fine. We do see Tony Collect's character doing laundry
in two different scenes. Well, who else is gonna do it? Well,
that's true, two scenes is unnecessary. One scene max one
scene we're like, well this is you know, like she's
obviously who else would be doing it in two scenes

(49:25):
where like what are her jobs? She has two jobs?
Why does she let her son roam around at night
with nobody? There's with ghosts? Where is the babysitter at
where is she? Or we don't know? Sorry, it's funny
to be inclusive with my babysitting. I'm trying to look

(49:45):
through my notes to see if I have anything else,
I wrote down a lot of female ghosts, a lot
of female ghosts. Um. I also, I mean I don't
even really know. Again, I'm just like, what really does
this plot point serve? He's able to help Misha Barton
ghost who's being killed by her mom, but we get

(50:06):
no insight as to like what's going on there, and
so that seemed just to me mostly read this very bizarre.
Misha Barton gets him the VHS evidence tape that she's
conveniently recorded, and then Haley Joe Osmond goes to her
father and it's like, here's evidence, and he's like, let

(50:26):
me watch it. During the way during the field, he
pops it in during the wake from a kid he's
never met who was there alone, because again Bruce Willis
is dead, he's at his wake alone, and like in
any other world it would be like a SpongeBob car too,
but like but in this case, this eight year old

(50:48):
standing important evidence about his daughter, and we see the
mother doing the like the Munchausen's by proxy thing she's doing,
and again in a very over the top visual signifiers
of like the thing that is clearly poison has like
a little X symbol on it, Yeah, what was that bottle?

(51:09):
What was it there? What is it? I don't know.
She pours in it. She she's like bleaching soup. So
we see her do the soup bleach, and then she
goes to Misha Barton like stopped saying the soup tastes
like bleach. Yeah, and we have no insight. I mean,

(51:30):
it's like I didn't know about even the term munchausens
by proxy until like the whole Gypsy Rose case like
five years ago, and let's talk about it after the show.
But I feel like munchausens by proxy and like the
idea of keeping someone sick intentionally was not a like
pop culture Like people didn't know about this then. So

(51:51):
the fact that it pops up and then her husband
like just confronts her and it's like why world, why
did you bleach the soup? And she just goes and
that's that's the last week. Does she get arrested? Like
do we get in the explanation? Like we get nothing?

(52:12):
And when I first saw this movie, I'm like, wow,
she seems like a real bit Like I'm like, but
that's clearly there's so much going on there. Then there's
so like it's such a complicated issue for m Night
ten to choose to be, Like, let me present this
very complex mental illness in one scene with characters you
don't know. I think there's a lot that gets like

(52:35):
seeds that get planted in the first movie that call
for a sequel. I think there should be a sequel
to the Sixth Sense. I think it should be called
the seventh Sense, even though that doesn't make sense. But
like again, like what happened? I want to know what
happens with like now that like he has a friendly
relationship with ghosts. Now I guess at the end that
we're supposed to believe, So like what does that look like?

(52:57):
You have to be careful though, because they will make
that movie. We don't actually want it. If anyone is listening,
that's like, maybe we should know we don't want it,
you know, because what it was that they just did
that with um the Shining, They were like, what if
the people are wondering, You're like, no one is wondering
what happened to Dan, Like no one gives a funk

(53:17):
what happened to Danny? So I just sorry, Hey, let's
talk about Hayley Joel Osmond for a second. He's had
a lot of great roles. Kaitlin. Maybe you've seen him
most recently in that Zac efron Ted Bundy movie, and
you wee see that he's he's he's he's finding that.

(53:38):
His whole role in that is he goes up to
Ted Bundy's ex girlfriend and who's like, I wish you
could get over Ted Bundy. That's his whole role. He's crying,
He's like, I I just Ted Bundy is cock blocking
me at every turn. Like so, he's not given much,
but he does a good job. My favorite post sixth

(54:00):
sense Haley Joel Osmond role is the movie sex Ed.
Has anyone on the planet besides me seeing sex Ed? Okay?
So sex Head is a movie that is currently streaming
for free on something called to Be Anyway Heny where

(54:20):
am I to Be? I was like what the fuck
is to be? And I downloaded it to watch the
sex said. Sex Ed is a movie where Haley Joel
Osmond plays a sex ed teacher named Ed. That's really
all you need to know to want to watch it.

(54:40):
But he plays a sex said teacher named Ed. He's
trying to he's having a bit of a dry spell,
but he's talking about sex all day, so he's horny.
Rhada Play is his best friend slash Landlord. She shows
up every few scenes to give exposition and then she disappears.
Um anyways, at the end, Hayley Joel Osmond has sex.

(55:02):
Whoa spoilers sorry and then whatever you like. At the end,
he was dead the whole time. You gotta watch sex said,
it's onto b Um, here's something that's sort of relevant
to what we normally discuss. Um. So there's there's a

(55:25):
component in this movie, and it's recurring in a lot
of like horror thriller movies. But um, something's happening to
someone and no one believes them at first. Um, and
groups of people who are often not believed. I see
where this is going. Children, like we see in the
sixth sense, women ever heard of him? Um, seniors, you know,

(55:48):
basically any marginalized group. And there's like there's a line
of dialogue where Cole says, like, please believe you believe me? Right?
How will you help me if you don't believe me?
And that's just you know, poignant. I think that that's good. Yeah,
like it it does like make it clear that like
and and that's also like What is preventing Cole from

(56:08):
having any sort of resolution with his mother is that
he's so afraid that she won't believe him, and that
if he tells her the truth that she will disown
him or love him less or whatever. The internal logic
is that, yeah, am I Shevelin accidentally made a point, right.
There's even that scene where he says like, like, no
one knows my secret. I can't even tell my mom

(56:30):
because I don't want my mom to look at me
in the way everyone else does, like I'm a freak,
so like because it's it's very sleep Um let's talk
about um m I Chavelin for a second, because I
I mean, for he gets a lot of ship from people.
He has made more good movies than you think. Okay,
but in all, seriously, is am I Chavelin? I think

(56:52):
when I was very young, he was one of the
first non white directors I was aware of that was
wildly successful period. I mean, I think like when I
was a kid, I knew of Spike Lee, but I
wasn't old enough to see his movies. And then they're
like and and then I could watch m Night Chamelin movies,
So he did like I mean he did make I mean,
this movie was wildly successful. He basically got a blank

(57:15):
check for the rest of his career, um for better
or wars um after making this movie. And so I
think that, like that is worth acknowledging. And that is
like a very impactful thing because you know, directors are
still overwhelmingly male, but also overwhelmingly white of any gender.
So the fact that you know, this is a director
who um he he grew up in Philly, but he's

(57:37):
the son of immigrants, and like that is a really
powerful cool thing. And so I just wish his movies
were better. So you know, there's a lot, but but
I like, yeah, I think he was truly one of
the first non white directors I knew of and was
very you know in in the zeitgeist if you will. Um.

(57:58):
But also he ru and Avatar, so I don't know,
um oh some people disagree, okay, but yeah, I oh.
I also wanted to mention m Night Shimelin's which was
a wild year. So this was like The sixth Cents
was his big breakout movie. He wrote and directed it,

(58:18):
but prior to that he was like a Hollywood writer.
He would do a lot of like third or fourth
drafts of movies that were basically done and then they're like,
we gotta give it the m night touch. So his
film credits in addition to the sixth cents are he
did punch up on She's All That, and he wrote

(58:40):
and is credited as the soul writer of Stewart Little.
What a wild year for him, Like I he hasn't
had a year like that. I mean, he doesn't have
to punch up Stewart Little anymore. But that was a
fun movie. I never saw it, but yeah, like that

(59:02):
was that was the year where he was like crossing
over between being like a punch up writer and then
like this twisty oh tour. But you know, like Stewart Little,
it slaps, It's good, It's lass Gina Davis, isn't it goodness?
Pays his mother? I do like the my Shamalans. Basically,

(59:24):
his whole ethos is summarized in one line of dialogue
in this movie where Bruce Willis is like telling Cole
a bedtime story about a prince who was driving a lot,
and then Haley Joel Osmond is like, you've never told
a story before, have you? You have to add some
twists and also I'm nic shimally does the he sometimes

(59:48):
like m night Shanalin. I love him, and then sometimes
you're like your confidence is really for like it's it's difficult, um,
because what he does and a lot of directors do this,
but he specifically said like I'm basically this generation's Alfred Hitchcock.
And Alfred Hitchcock would play a small role in all
of his movies. So movie one was like, I gotta

(01:00:10):
be in this because otherwise I will people know I'm
Alfred Hitchcock now. Um, So he plays a small role
in this movie, gives himself a cameo and all of them. Yeah,
just I think that that's what Alfred Hitchcock did. He
would be in a few seconds of every movie. And
I particularly love like even in some of his worst movies,

(01:00:30):
the m I Childman cameos are always so fun. He's
always like a park ranger being being like, no, go
into those woods, see what happens. Like he's always like
introducing them into danger. It's fun. He should act more.
He doesn't seem like a bad actor. Um. There is
a Chucky Cheese reference in this movie. Visibility is important,

(01:00:53):
but it's also Tony Collette needs to explain. I don't
was that supposed to be some sort of class thing.
Like they're like Tony Colette and Haley Joe Osmond are
at this like fancy, nice birthday party and the mother
at the fancy birthday party doesn't know what chucky cheese
is and to like it's all embarrassed, and she's like,
well it's it's the greatest place on her all right,

(01:01:15):
because she goes chucky like chucky just what I say
every time? Oh man, it's the best. It is the
best place on earth. You know. I've been many times
with you, I know for my birthday is of course. Yeah.
So they mentioned chucky cheese and cats and they can't
take that away from So do you anything else? I

(01:01:38):
think that's about it. We're running a bit out of time.
Do we have any times for questions or comments? Time
for a few questions, comments come up to the mic,
so we can up to the mic. There's one person,
one brave soul. Oh come on, I love her sweaters.

(01:01:58):
What's your name? My name's d what's your question? My
sex head, that's what they call me. Your reputation proceeds.
My question is who do you think Alfred Molina would
play in this for asking, um, who would Alfred? I

(01:02:19):
think he could be Mischa Barton Ghost and all my fantasies. Unfortunately,
Alfred Billina takes a role from a woman. Um, he
could be Barton Goes. He could be he could? I
think the one role he could. I think he would
have genuinely been a good Bruce Willis. Um he could.
I mean he's a chameleon. He Oh, speaking of chameleon,

(01:02:39):
he could have been the killer at the beginning, because
then you would get to see him without his shirt on.
That that's the answer. I'll do it. He's the killer
at the beginning, and then we get to see him
in his little underwear. Yeah, and oh my god, what
if that was the only question? Uh, my name's Ivan,

(01:03:00):
and I believe that in Tommy's whatever his last name?
Uh yes, And I think in his first scene he
explains to uh queer icon Haley Joel Osman what improv
is like he's explaining improv. Um. My question is as

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a as a non binary comedy fan, how do you
feel about the sixth sense actually being about Haley Joel Osment,
non binary icon trying to make it in comedy, but
having to deal with Tommy does annoying know it all?
Improv says that white man. Oh my god, I was

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just wondering your take on that thing. I thank you.
Oh my god. Wait a second, I need to process
for a second. Okay, it's a Joker. It's the prequel
to Joker. It's literally you fast forward. Tony Collette is

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Joker's mom. No, I'm kidding, but no, but wow, what
if this is all about Hayley chill Osmond's journey? Should
the upright Citizen's breakid? He's like I saw a ghost
and then I learned the power of yes, son, and
now my life is he really did? I mean literally,
all he does is yes and the ghost and he listens.

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That's such a big part of listens. He listens to
the ghosts, you know, and he doesn't respond irrationally because
that would be a bad scene. Wow, Wow, everyone should
take class is a good good I guess that's what
we're saying there. That's why I first I had that
written down of like the worst character in the story

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happens to mention improv can't be a mistake, can't be
a mistake, something to consider any other I think we
have time for one more question comment if if such
a thing exists. Yes, I have a bit of a
two parter. I'm sorry, I'm afraid this is this is
contrary to the spirit of the of the show, but

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I wanted to comment on your your outfit for a moment.
What if I was like stormed out. It's I mean, okay,
so we have we have like seventies themed children's bedsheet,
homemade mini skirt cowboy themed. One of them is topless. Oh,
I mean you'll find that all of it. Okay, I

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don't have the best view. It's incredible. You have a
single pocket in the middle of your chest, like I
found a piece of popcorn in it. It's like pockets. Yeah,
it's amazing. I'm sorry, thank you, thank you. Related to movies,
for for a long time, there was there was a
great controversy on one of the popular Beckdel websites. I'm

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sorry if you've already covered this, but the Lego movie,
whether or not it passed the beck Deel hast hinged
on whether or not you considered Princess Unikitty a woman,
and I was hoping that you could weigh in on that.

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Caitlin I, of course have seen both Lego movies. Um,
I do consider Princess Unikitty a woman? Do they refer
to her in the movies with she her? I think so,
I think they do, right, I've seen the movies, but
I think I think so. I don't know. When I

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watched the Lego movie, I'm just like, I have a
crush on Phil Lord. Yes, take away from that, I
think we just have to cover the Lego movie. Now. Yeah,
that's really adequately answer your question. We should? We should?
I think like a soft yes, a soft yes. And
speaking of the Bechdel test, does this movie the sixth

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Cents pass? Dies? Well? I mean it's kind of okay.
So I say, when a mother kills her child that
is also a female child, it passes. But I mean
that her first name, she's such an insignificant character. I

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feel like, I feel like one feels like she's really important.
For some reason. There's an argument to be made for
it passed because we do know Misha Barton's character's name,
which is Kira, right, and then we know her last name,
and then it's there's the Mr and Mrs character. First

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of all, I think it's really funny if that scene
passes the back to second. I feel like because like
if it would be a little different for me if
the father was given a first name and the mother wasn't.
But neither of them were given a first name. They
are Mr and mrs. We do find it out forget
so I say, bleaching your daughter's soup cannon? Okay, then

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I'll say yes as well. Um so give it up
for the six cents for murdering of several women. Um uh,
let's write the movie on our nipple scale. I truly
have no idea, so zero of five nipples based on
its representation of women. I mean, it's quite neutral. It's

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not this movie doesn't hate women. It's not brutal and
cruel to women the way that a lot of movies,
especially from that year where I mean between fight Club
movies that like m Night Shimelin worked on, like Cruel
Intentions comes out this year The Mummy Never Been Kissed.
A lot of like really regressive movies that treat women horribly.

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This movie doesn't do that. So feminist text, No, I'm kidding.
I mean I think it just sort of makes the
choice is made at some point of like I don't
know how to write female characters, so I won't, which
is not the solution to that problem, but it's it
is better than saying I'm going to write female characters

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to complete stereotypes and to like only service the male
characters I want to. And there's no narrative reason whysoever
why the child who sees dead people couldn't be a
little girl. There's no reason why the child psychologists couldn't
have been a woman. Like it's just yeah, the movies
were like, well, these better be male characters. No one,
we'll say it right, And there is I mean, there's

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like some I think it is nice that I don't
know who like busting this trope benefits. But the idea
of like the quote unquote evil child who is like
communicated with by the other world is usually made out
to be fully the villain of the movie, where you've
got like the bad seed, you've got Damien from the
Omen and usually if like a kid can communicate with

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the other side, they are the devil. But in this
case they're the sweetest baby angel whoever lives. It's progressive.
It's progressive in terms of children who can speak to ghosts,
so you know, and again because he's helping women talk
to other women. He's advocating for Misha Barton ghosts. Um,

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I don't know, it's like a one and a half. Yeah,
you know, because you're just like women are there and
they're they're they're not that important to the story, but
they're you know, the male characters aren't cruel to them.
They're they're they're costs playing. Sure, sure they're Scooby Doo
cos they're sure. They're only like wives, mother's daughters, very

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stereotypical female roles. Yes, but one and a half one
and a half, and I'm going to give one to
Tony Collette and then I'm going to give the last two.
It doesn't feel right to get Taylee Joel Osmond is
too young to give him a nipple in this smoothie,
So I'll give it to um mommy murderer, Mrs bleach soup.

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I believe her character's nipples. I'll give my one and
a half nipples to his wife because she deserved better.
We should have learned more about her. The only thing
we know is that she is sad and on so loft,
I guess, which is horrible. Remember to talk to your
loved ones while they sleep. That will solve all your problems. Um,

(01:11:31):
thank you so much for coming. Give it up for yourselves.
All right, folks, that was our episode on the sixth Sense.
We did want to add in really quickly that the
evening after this we did watch Sex Said on two
Be And that's not an endorsement of two because the
movie is wildly offensive and also just boring and hard
to watch. Yeah, it is. So when we recommended you

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watch it during the live show, we weren't joking. We were,
but we didn't even realize we shouldn't have even recommended
it as a joke. It's wildly problematic and we're so
we're withdrawing. We take back the recommendation. But you know,
as you heard it killed in the room, so true,
so to be is canceled. Moving on, Thank you to

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everyone who came to the show. That was such a blast,
and of people who came to the stand up show afterwards.
We love our Philadelphia fans. Thanks to anyone who asked
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(01:12:36):
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Of course, we did not know before we chose that
topic that Sharon was voting for Biden, so we just

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to cover our own asses. It was too late. But
so my one last thing is that during the live
show towards the end, when people were making audience were
like you know, asking questions and making comments and stuff. Um,
someone asked a question about whether or not the Lego
movie passes the Bichtel Tesla. There's this whole discussion on it, well,
it does un a kitty does she count as a woman.

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And I totally forgot to mention that un a kitty,
whether or not she identifies as a human woman, she
definitely does have eight nipples. And as cat facts with Caitlin,
thank you. This is and we're recording this a month
and a half later, I was like editing the episode
and everyone the whole thing is like it sounds like
I'm gearing up to be like, well, I have the

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answer to this and it's that you and a kitty
has eight nipples, and then I just like didn't remember
my own bit, so I'm doing it now. I like it,
you get it, Thank you so much and with that,
have a great week. Yeah you say it's day safe
Bye bye