The Social Network with Demi Adejuyigbe

Let the hacking begin on this episode where Jamie, Caitlin, and special guest Demi Adejuyigbe discuss The Social Network live at SF Sketchfest!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have
when inum, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands
or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best
start changing it with the beck Do Cast. Welcome to
the beck Do Cast. Wow, San Francisco, how are you there?

(00:29):
Are there there? It's a light excitement. Yeah, thanks for coming.
My name is Caitlin Darante. Oh jeez, my name is
Jimmy Loftus. Thank you, and yeah, we're this is our
second year at us off sketch fust. We're very happy
to be here. Indeed, um, I don't do you have

(00:50):
what do you have any San Francisco thoughts? I was
like them, Well, we spent a lot of time figuring
out what movie to do. We're like, jeez, what could
we do well? But in all serious is last year
we were like not thinking about location. So we did

(01:10):
like a movie that took place and we did The
Breakfast Club last year, which takes place in Chicago, where
it was anyone, Oh, that's a good question. Was anyone
here at our show last year? Yes? Oh the rest
of you are fucking fake. That was a test and
you failed. But yeah, so so this year we chose
a movie that at least partially takes place nearby. Yeah.

(01:34):
I'm very curious because I think that, um, it's possible
that some people in the audience outweigh us in uh knowledge,
for the context of this movie. Does anyone here work
in tech or has worked in tech or been traumatize
had your life traumatized by the tech industry? Just like,
just cheer, just cheer. Okay, So everybody, Okay, more people

(01:56):
did have listened to a Okay, I'm very excited to
hear your insights. Um, I love I love a good
tech dystopia story. Yes, they're not enough of them. I
know I'm not local to them. I want to know
you know. Uh so, is anyone here new to the show?
Has anyone not listened to the show before? Don't be

(02:17):
anyone second? Row, We're gonna come into the audience like cats.
Oh I wish we were talking about cats. Why don't
you your discussion to have? Um? Okay, great, Well, this

(02:38):
is a feminist movie podcast where we use the Bechdel
test sometimes called the Beckdel Wallace test, to start a
discussion about how women are portrayed in famous movies. What's
the Beckdel test, I'd love to tell you thank you.
It is sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test. I said

(02:59):
that did ship. Thank you for listening to me. Jesus,
I'm so sorry. It's okay. So that works. I just
said Jesus. It doesn't pass. Oh no, but what if
Jesus is a woman? It's an ariana grande also comma Jesus. Anyway,

(03:25):
The Becktel test, if You're not familiar, requires that two
female identifying characters in a movie talk to each other
about something other than a man, and by our standards,
it just has to be a two line exchange of dialogue.
Do movies pass it? Not often. I have an example

(03:45):
of something that I hope passes. Hey Jamie, Hey, Caitlin,
let the hacking begin. Oh that still gets a bodily risk,
a full body response from me. And I don't even
like I feel nothing for Mark Zuckerberg or Jesse Eisenberg.
But when, but when he says, let the hacking begin,

(04:07):
because you're like you, but like, what is going on?
Why do I feel that way? He's getting ready to
like put sexist things on the Internet, and I'm still like, oh,
it's bad. We're all flawed. We're all growing. It's fine. Yeah, yeah,
we're doing the social network. By the way, we're doing
the social network. Oh yeah, and uh clap if you

(04:32):
have seen this movie. Okay, and has anybody not seen
this movie? First ahead, I love there's so much boldness
going on in San Francisco. Uh, well, we're going to
ruin it for you. And yeah there is. I think
that's all the orders of business that we do attend to.

(04:53):
Business is over, yes, and now let the fun begin.
We have a guest. We have a guest, a returning man.
Let's get this out of the way. The person about
to come on stage is a man. He is a man,
and for that we're like, we know, we're aware. But
he's one of the few men that were allowed to

(05:15):
continue to allow to come back because he's a he's
a good um. He's one of the goods. I think
it's on a list of three or four. Yeah. Yeah.
But he's a writer. He's a comedian. You know him
from past episodes of ours, including Star Wars, The Force
Awakens and Paddington It's dummy, did you eBay hi hi hi,

(05:50):
Thank you for apologizing for men advance of me coming
out cause I was going to be all right, well,
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Women. Women be apologizing all the time,
so you can say it. Yeah, um, DEMI, can you
tell the audience what your shirt says? Because the way
when you're wearing your sweater, the shirt is I'm going

(06:10):
to take Yeah, I my shirt says Josie and the
Pussycats is the best movie ever, which is just a truth. Unfortunately,
I didn't realize until leaving this morning that when I
wear this coat it just looks like it says and
the pussy is best movie. And of all the podcasts
to be doing today, I don't want this that to

(06:34):
be what I come on stage with as one of
the three or four good men. I can't tarnish my
repentation that quickly. Yeah, that reflects poorly on us as well.
They thought one of the only good men more a
shirt that said and the pussy I mean that sounds
like a feminist movie. I think that's like Uncanny Valley feminism.

(06:56):
That's like what a starting male feminist would say, like
and the Pussy is the best movie? When do you
think about it? The only movie I watch is ironically
doesn't pass the back test. It doesn't know anyway, so
the social network dummy. What is your history relationship with

(07:19):
the movie? I this is one of my favorite movies ever.
I think it is truly one of the finest films
of the decade. I this movie is very special to
me because I did not like watch movies a lot
growing up my parents and like show me movies or anything.
So it wasn't until like I went to college and
was like, let's see what's out there that I like
really like dug Into film. And I remember seeing this

(07:41):
movie specifically was when I like because I remember everyone
was like, oh, the Facebook movie. That's gonna be dumb,
and I remember I went to see and I was like,
this is gonna be all right, and I can't just
be like oh shit, okay, and I was like, Oh,
this is what cinema is. But yeah, I think it's
a fantastic movie and I'm very excited to talk about it, Jamie.
What's your history? I also really love this movie. In

(08:06):
spite of it all, I think this movie came out
like the second I got to college, I'm pretty sure.
And I remember that they were passing out a lot
of merch because I went to college in Boston as well.
So they were like, all right, we gotta be given
out Social Network mouse pads to all the kids. That's
what they want. So I I still somewhere have my
Social Network mouse pad that says punk, Genius, trader, billionaire,

(08:31):
the Social Network and it's just like grainy, high corontrast
picture of Jesse Eisenberg that I really But my secret
anecdote about The Social Network that I didn't tell you
before the show is that when I was a freshman
in college, there were two big movies coming out that
had to do with Boston, and they let students choose

(08:51):
which previous screening they wanted to go to, and it
was The Social Network and The Town The Town, and
I went to see the Town. I saw The Town
for free at Fenway Park. It was very cool. John
Hamm was there. You wore a hat? Really? Oh you
sure did? Yeah? No, and that that's like if you've

(09:13):
seen The Town, you're like, oh boy, this is the
worst thing I've ever seen. Um. And then I saw
The Social Network later and it's one of my favorite movies. Yeah, Caitly,
what's your history of this movie? I also really liked
this movie, although I feel differently about it than I
used to feel. UM. Let me just give you a
little bit of context for me, I was a freshman

(09:36):
in college at the very moment that Facebook was taking off.
So I went to Penn State University for my undergrad
boo um, because I can't wait to talk about my
master's degree tonight. But I was at Penn State in
fall of two thousand four when they were like, we're
adding in more colleges. I remember when it used to

(09:56):
be the Facebook dot com. I remember when it suddenly switched.
I signed up from my account in October two thousand four.
I was like in it. So when all the events
of the movie are unfolding, I was like, it's like
I was there UM. And then when I lived in Boston,
I lived a two minute walk from the Thirsty Scholar,

(10:18):
which is the bar that the first scene of the
movie takes place in UM, and then I would go
there after that movie came out and they had changed
all the menu items to like the social network burger
and it's like okay, And then of course I went
to UM. I don't like to bring this up, but
I did go to Boston University and get a master's

(10:39):
degree in screenwriting, and there's high thank you so much.
There's high be you visibility in this movie because all
be you girls or bitches, and I didn't have to
study because I went to be you and that's what
you learned about. But he was actually right toxic masculine

(11:00):
and he wins again. I had. I've been to the
Thursday Scholar a couple of times and there was definitely
a Mark Zuckerberg referencing Martini on the menu. It wasn't
called the zuck teeny, but what if it was? Wait,
is it called the Mark teeny? It was called them?
A Mark teeny would be way better that Now. I

(11:22):
just want to think of all the drinks that could
be named after market the most boring man to ever live? Sure, Oh,
why wasn't it the Zuckerburger the social social network for
god missed opportunity? I mean, I think you could get
David Finch Fries. Okay, you guys do the podcast. Yeah,

(11:52):
I do feel like more coming. I do think like
the greatest trick this movie plays have the many things
that it does, is it does managed to make Mark
Zuckerberg look like an interesting person who has emoted or
felt a thing. I was gonna say, because when I
saw your shirt backstage, I was reminded of my image
of Mark zucker wearing and I was like, this movie

(12:13):
makes him look very smart, like everything we've seen to him. Since,
I'm like, no, you're not as You're not as much
of a like quote unquote genius as this movie wants
you to be. Right, he was not a punk, nor
a genius nor a profit Oh it said profit too,
profit of what like? There of what like causing wars

(12:33):
that he causes? Like what is he? Okay, a lot
of zuckheads and the Jesus this is this is a
Facebook sponsored event. We're learning Mark Zuckerberg is here. No,
Mark Zuckerberg literally caused a genocide. But go off, audience,
kins my shirt. This is an actual aim message that

(12:54):
Mark Zuckerberg sent back in the day, and it says
you can be unethical and still be lead gold. That's
the way I live my life. Ha ha. So he
does have a personality. It's chaotic evil. Should we should
we recap the movie? Let's do it well real quick.

(13:15):
I just hopefully did you come up with some zucker beer.
It's not no, Yeah, you're right, it's not a is
verbally appraising thirty minutes from now. Yeah, yeah, keep keep
keep thinking about it. Okay, So the story of the
social network, we meet Mark Zuckerberg. That's Jesse Eisenberg. Of course,

(13:37):
he's a student at Harvard studying computer stuff. Did they
say what is his could you I feel like in
two four you can major in computers? Yeah? Is it? Like? Like,
is he a programmer? Is he a software engineer? Is
he does he write code? What? Typing? Who knows? He's

(14:01):
just drinking easy so he's doing that and then um,
the movie opens on a date that he is on
with his girlfriend at the time, Erica Albright, played by
Rooney Mara, and he is a condescending asshole to her,
so she breaks up with him, and that night he

(14:22):
takes his frustration to live journal, and he's like, although,
I mean, has anyone here ever taken their frustration to
live journal before? Like those of us that were there
for live journal, that's where we were taking our frustration.
Give him some slack. What I was saying is Mark
Zuckerberg innocence. Also, his live journal is called zuck on It,

(14:45):
which is true. That was the name of it. All
of the blog posts and the name of the blog
are tragically factually accurate. Everything where he sounds like a
dumb asshole is accurate. Everything where he sounds like a
smug Aron Sorkin character is a smug Aaron Sorkin mind.
And when you rewatch the movie, it's pretty easy to

(15:05):
figure out which is which. Like Mark Zuckerberg never said
you have the minimum of my attention, you have the
minimum amount like that was that's that's a West Wing line,
and then when he said zuck on it, Mark Zuckerberg
said that, like anyway, So he calls Erica Albright a

(15:26):
bit and then he's like, but I need something to
take my mind off her. And then he says his
fingers at the hacking begin We're like, wow, and I
wanted them to put his clammy hands near me. Gross,
Mark Zuckerberg. I mean, he just looks like he needs
to be toweled off, you know, he just looks like

(15:47):
a light. A light sheens on him at all time. Gross.
So he hacks into several Harvard like dorm houses or
however that works. I don't even know, and there's like, sid,
what's that? They explain it step by step in the film.
I'm so sorry. Recited. I mean like Harvard houses. Is
that like a Harry Potter house or is that just

(16:08):
like the name of a dorm building. I think it's
just like the dorm building. Okay, did anyone here go
to Harvard? At least one person does. We've been in it.
That's our girl. Yeah, she has to go back to Harvard.
And mean, feel free to bully her on the way out. Whatever,
ye don't bully her. So the Harvard houses have these

(16:29):
like student databases that have like students pictures on them,
So he hacks into all of those and um creates
facemash dot com where people can compare two side by
side photos of women and decide who is hotter. Because
he is a feminist and well, that's yeah, visibility of
women right right. He's like, we need to give these

(16:49):
women a platform. Those two photos next to each other.
Of the women that passes the Pectel test, yes, um,
because we know what their names are, which is a
breach of data. So the list currently is me and
Mark Zuckerberg, who are the other two? Oh, the Winkle bosses,
of course. And then his friend Eduardo Savern played by

(17:14):
Andrew Garfield comes in and helps with the algorithm. So
then they send facemash dot com to a few people,
and they send it to some people, and they send
it to some people to the extent where it gets
so popular in these but it goes viral in one
night and it crashes Harvard's network. Then we cut to
a few years later, because the movie cuts back and

(17:35):
forth between hearings that Mark Zuckerberg is in because many
people are suing him. Yeah, I think that that's supposed
to be taking place in like I think two thousand
and eight, seven or eight whens are happening. Got it.
We see him back at Harvard. We meet Tyler and
Cameron Winkle boss. They We discussed this earlier today with

(18:00):
some people who are in the audience. But obviously both
win comps Twins should have been played by Alpha Molina,
very clear he would have killed it absolutely. Instead, they're
played by Army Hammer. Well, Army Hammer and some other
guy who then they deleted his face from the movie
and controls the control vied Army Hammer's face. That's a

(18:23):
true fact. Do not forget whoever that guy was. Josh Pence,
Josh Mike Pence's nephew, babe. We also meet the Winklevoss
is associate Divian Norrendra played by Max Ming mcguel aka
that guy from The Handmaid's Tale. Yes, Divia Nerrendra is

(18:46):
Indian and Max is not. Whoopsies he yeah, Edward O.
Saver is Brazilian and Andrew Garfield is not. Okay, Um okay,
I think we that that's really the issue. Maybe if

(19:08):
Andrew Garfield were less of a chameleon. Ah, he's British.
I always forget that. Who cares? So these guys hear
about Zuckey's little facemash things as they call it in
the movie, and they want him to do the programming
for something. They came up with, Harvard Connection, which is

(19:31):
a dating an elitist dating website for Harvard students because quote,
women want to get with guys who go to Harvard. Um. Okay,
so Megan, I have a question, she um do Is
that actually true? Okay? Wait, okay, we're gonna repeat that.

(19:59):
Oh okay, I okay. So it was always be be
you girls to bed Wellesley girls to wed Harvard girls
to talk to. That's not even clever or does it was?
Okay Harvard girls for their heads. The problem there is

(20:23):
it just sounds like Harvard Girls for head. Well maybe
it was work shopped in the brilliant what is their
shitty comedy magazine, sorry, the Lampoon. They were yeah, they're
a board of the Rings. I'm like, oh, I'm bold
over by this comedic brilliance. Jeez. Okay, So the Winkle

(20:52):
bosses are like, yeah, program Harvard connection for us, please,
and Zuckerberg agrees to help them. But there I has
inspired him slash he stole it. Who knows what really
happened to create another website and he pitches it as
a business proposition to Eduardo and you'll never guess what

(21:13):
it's called, the Facebook dot com. Eduardo fronts a thousand
dollars in starter cash, and then they get to work
on writing the software. Is that coding? They go on
squares based dot com and and that's when the real
work begins, which brings us to our advertiser. I'm getting

(21:42):
squares face. UM, we would love your money, please sponsor us. UM. So,
while this is happening, Eduardo has gotten punched by the Phoenix,
this exclusive final club. And to all of you not
ivy leaguers out there, I also don't know what that means.
It's like it's like a fancy frat club. I think,

(22:05):
so crimes one day? Is that what the movie Skulls
is about? The skulls? Okay, great, God, we cleared that up.
So he's gotten punched by the phoenix, and Mark Zuckerberg
is very jealous of this, and that plays apart through
the rest of the movie. And then Zuckerberg is also

(22:26):
like dodging all the winklebosses attempts to like talk to him,
dodged in the Winkies. Yeah, they're coming at him. Where
their paddles, right, He's just dodging them. I wish they
had swung the paddle. There should have just been one
scene where they see him across the quad. Men's a
ten minute chasing and he's like things that chasing that

(22:48):
they describe, and like, why didn't they think? I just
want one scene of like him standing next to the
Harvard Statue, like pretending to be a statue, and it's like,
wait a minute, he turns back and then like an
army hammers like Jay get the Benny Hill music in there,
a real dark version from Trent Resider of course. Of course,

(23:14):
then he's almost done with the Facebook dot com and
ready to launch, and then his friend Dustin Moscovitz a k.
Timmy from Jurassic Park, is like, Hey, there's this girl
in when your classes. Do you know if she's single?
Do you know if she's interested in dating anyone? And
then Mark Zuckerberg is like, that's what Facebook is going
to be like, and I love it's complicated. Did anyone

(23:36):
ever list their status? Is it's complicated on Facebook before?
Because that is like the ballsiest thing anyone could do.
I did, and so did I. Here's no, here's the thing,
here's the thing when I did it because I was
very single and wanted to seem so much more interesting
than it was. Like, well, it's complicated, you'll just have

(23:57):
to ask me to find out. And everyone's like, we
don't give a ship. I can't very close ones in
high school to setting my stats to it's complicated, and
you can set it to it's complicated with you can
do like people in my high school would be like, okay,
so I'm technically single, but it's complicated with Joey, like

(24:21):
you could give so much information about the status of
your heart. I miss it. I mean, it's hard to
figure out what people are where people are at now,
and now we just gotta tweet at all. Yeah, now
you just gotta do horny tweets and see what happens
disaster and shout out to my boyfriend and who's here.

(24:41):
Then the site goes live and several Harvard students sign
up for it right away, and then the winkle Fosses
find out about it and they're like, he's still the idea.
More and more people are signing up. Eduardo wants to
site to start generating revenue, and then Zuckerberg is like, no,
Facebook is cool all Mark zucker It cares about his cool,
but I do think it's funny that like Eduardo wants

(25:03):
to be like pop up at like that that would
have been a bad idea. And then they meete a
couple of women, Christie and Alice, who think Mark and
EDWARDO are so cool and they cannot wait to suck
their dicks, and then Harvard to head right right, yea,

(25:23):
as things should go. Then Mark runs into his ex
girlfriend Erica at a bar and he's like hey, and
she's like fuck you, and then either like to retaliate
or to impress her or something, he's like, we have
to expand to ye in Colombia and Stanford every time

(25:44):
a woman rejects him. In this movie, Mark Zuckerberg's like
Facebook needs to be bigger, Like he just pull off
the rails. He bought Instagram because someone called him Mark right. Yeah. Yeah. Also,
I just I'm like, the peak of that scene is
when she says good luck with your video game, which

(26:04):
is like the best line ever. It's it's the coldness reverberates.
I love it. Yes, I love the Erica character. I
don't care how realistic. It was based on a person
who zuck On it references, but they changed the name

(26:25):
and then they make up some of the interactions. But
like she I just love her character so much. She's
the only person in the movie who's ever correct. It's like,
it's good. Meanwhile, we meet Sean Parker, the founder of Napster,
played by Justin Timberlake, Which what are they saying? They're
like Justin Timberly in the movies like funk the music industry,

(26:47):
it's broken. It's like, what are you saying? Justin? Justin
Timberly is so confusing as an actor because you're like
sometimes he's good, but like he's like he's not a
good actor, but he he keeps getting me of the
way to thinking he might be a good actor. He
has an incredible agent. He dies, but then he also like,

(27:09):
wasn't Yogi Bear Riley and the Trolls movies? He's good
in the trolle for him one for the studios, he's good,
but he's yeah, yeah, he's like, I don't know, I
liked him and wish upon a star. That's a good
d com. Okay, he wasn't model behavior. Yeah, yeah, he's

(27:32):
an okay actor. He's better than Joey Fatone. Well yeah,
then so Sean Parker discovers Facebook and he's like, oh,
what's this cool thing? And then then he ses that
line where he's like, all I need to do is
find you. You're like oh. And then Mark and Eduardo

(27:59):
and Sean Parker have a meeting together, and at Sean's suggestion,
Zuckerberg rent a house in Paulo, Alto for the summer,
and he hired some interns. The whole thing keeps expanding.
Eduardo was off in New York City trying to find advertisers,
but things with Eduardo and Mark are getting more and
more tense, and freezes the account. Yeah, He's like, you

(28:22):
could have jeopardized Facebook, and then Edward was like, I know,
he's just trying to get your attending. There's such babies,
It's so funny. They're just crying about Facebook all day.
Peter Teal makes a big investment in Facebook. Peter Teel,
who famously believes that drinking blood of young people will

(28:42):
make you live longer. Just one more scene that I
want to added to this movie. Oh, I would love
a little Peter Tell offering Mark Zuckerberg a shot of
his nephew's blood. That should have been the role that
Timberlake played. Yeah. So there's now like money and office

(29:04):
space associated with Facebook, and Facebook now has almost a
million members. And Eduardo is called to the office so
that they can inform him that his shares, which he
originally owned thirty four percent of, had been diluted down
to point zero three percent, And all the people in

(29:26):
the crowd are like, oh my god. I've seen this
movie upwards of fifteen times, and today was the first
time where I understood what happened there, because I was like,
what diluted? And then they were I saw the part
where it's like they add more investors, Like, oh, because
we had more of the percentage. Okay, they I mean

(29:47):
it is kind of funny, like Eduardo is made out
to be I think by far the most sympathetic character
in the movie. But ultimately Edwardo sever and I have
some fun information about what he has since done, which
is played the country and evaded seven hundred million dollars
in taxes. But but he at the time, it's like
he truly did, Like, I mean, he lost six months

(30:10):
of his life in a thousand dollars and we're like
crying for him this very He also now has five
percent of Facebook and is like a jillionaire. So he's fine,
He's doing fine. He's fine. He lives in Singapore now
and he likes it. I'm so glad to hear that.
But Edwardo in the movie is like, I'm suing your ass.

(30:32):
Zuckerberg pends all the flash forwards where we see all
of those hearings, and then the movie ends with Mark
Zuckerberg requesting Erica Albright as a friend on his own website,
just after Rashida Jones absolves him of any guilt associated
with She's like, you're not actually an asshole, Mark Zuckerberg.

(30:53):
By you're like, but what about the whole movie? Uh,
and then there's all the title cards that it's like,
you know, Zuckerberg had to pay millions of dollars to
the Winkies. The Winkies never got their paddles back, and
I think that's that's the movie's movie. Yeah, where where

(31:21):
should we start? Well with the discussion of this, do
you do you have a context corner? Do you want
to start with? There's so much context for this movie
that I think that probably people in the audience also have.
So if there's anything that I say during the context
that you have more info on, feel free to raise
your hand. We'd love to hear if anyone has any
dark secrets. Um, this is the place where we're going

(31:44):
to get them. So there's really not that much to
say about the production of the movie other than like
other actors considered blah blah blah. But this is directed
by David Fincher, written by Aaron Sorkin, And you're like, oh,
to annoying male personalities like consistently turn out good work.
This could go so many ways. Um, it turns out

(32:04):
well in this case. But most of I mean most
of the context for this just involves like what actually
happened and what didn't and in the most funny instances,
how people portrayed in this movie ended up reacting. Um, So,
Mark Zuckerberg, you're not gonna believe this does not like
this movie very much. He doesn't like it. He Aaron

(32:26):
Sarkin interviewed a lot of people for this movie, and um,
a lot of people interviewed with him on the agreement
of anonymity. So a lot of the stuff that people
can't verify happening in the movie, it's very possible it
did happen, but he can't. He has to like Watergate
it or whatever. He can't give away his sources. He's
a real woodword about it. Um. I mean a lot

(32:48):
of stuff is true, Like the Winkle Boss stuff is
almost universally true. They actually did throw the Harvard rule
book to try to, you know, take a billion dollar
company away from Mark Zuckerberg because they're stupid and it's funny. Um,
the Winklevoss is now today. They are you know, their
ass cracked deep in bitcoin. They love bitcoins so much

(33:11):
they have a billion dollars in bitcoin. My favorite fact
about the Winkies is and they call him the Winkle
vis I'm like the Winkies anyways, I'm a fan of
Winkle vs. Wink vs. The Twins launched wink Decks, which,
oh no, we have some wink Ducks investors over there.

(33:33):
They're they're they're like, I we we don't talk about it. Um.
It was literally it was just like some metric that
traced the current cost of bitcoin and the financial like
the the US Financial Commission Department. Whenever the funk found
out about it and they're like, oh what is this?
Then they shut it down. Uh so they're billionaires, but

(33:56):
they shut down wink Decks. So good. They are the
example of failing upwards repeatedly. Yes, I mean, it's like
who because they came from a ton of money, they
funked up a lot. They placed sixth in the Olympics.

(34:16):
They were so I mean we everyone on stage here
has placed much higher in the Olympics. Second shot put. Uh, Eduardo,
I mean we've already referenced. The main thing with EDWARDO
is that he is Brazilian born and is portrayed by
a white actor. Um, which we'll we'll talk about in

(34:37):
a bit, Uh Edward. I mean, but but we shouldn't
be crying for Edwardo because he has UM. I'll just
read the official source. UM. He renounced his US citizenship
in September and therefore avoided and estimated seven million dollars
in capital gains taxes. He has UM. He says that

(34:59):
the this is just because he really likes Singapore, and
he denies he left the US to avoid paying seven
hundred million dollars. He's just like, Singapore is dope, you guys.
And so no one has been seeing much of him
lately because he lives in Singapore. I also every tech person,
and I know it's like probably maybe normal for people here,

(35:21):
but anytime you read, like, first of all, any time
you read a rich person's controversy section, it's so funny. Um,
because with Eduardo Saffron, it's like, like controversy with Jumio,
and you're like, what, that's a company that existed, controversy
with Quickie. You're like, so he was involved with and

(35:43):
then later had fallings out with both Quickie and Jumio. Um.
What else? Most of the characters in this movie are real. Uh.
Mark Zuckerberg doesn't like the portrayal of him in this movie,
which I mean, I guess I get that. But some
things that reasons you shouldn't feel bad for Mark Zuckerberg include, uh,

(36:04):
he's his star. I mean, he's been selling your data
to the government for a long time. He was helping
spread war propaganda in a number of countries. He caused
a genocide in me and mar by doing so, he
Mick fucked our election, which is why we're all here,
you know, like there's no no one should at But
but he went to a Costco last month, so he

(36:26):
was just like us. He's really the stars are just
like us. I really do, genuinely believe that Mark Zuckerberg
and a woman who was completely erased from this movie,
his wife, his wife Priscilla. I think that they went
to a Costco and called the paparazzi on themselves, so
the paparazzi would see them looking at TVs at Costco

(36:47):
and be like, oh, we forgive them, Like what were they?
If I saw a photo of them at Costco, I'd
be like, why is Mark Zuckerberg gonna buy Costco? Right?
Like I don't. There's no part of me that thinks
that man goes out like shot by anything Costco. Yeah,
So so Mark Zuckerberg has described the movie as quote

(37:07):
kind of hurtful unquote. The credits always like and and
this doesn't reflect on our discussion, but as far as
I know, it does seem like the movie takes a
lot of liberties in terms of giving Mark Zuckerberg first
a personality that's discernible at all. Um. But also it

(37:28):
seems it seems like, based on interviews and just more
research done about him, there's a lot written by people
who have interviewed him at length that he is a
very boring person who is not even socially adept enough
to say most of the things that are said in
the movie. So, which is like, imagine not being smart
enough to say the worst errand stork in line. Ever. Um,

(37:49):
I could I could buy the I could buy the
I could buy the club. I could buy the Phoenix Club,
and I could I could turn it into my and
then and then yeah, that this is Mark Zuckerberg will
like you uh you you you have all of my attention,
like he's a boring man. My favorite anecdote that I've
come across by someone who did work in the tech

(38:11):
industry whose identity I will obscure is this is what
it's like to work around Mark Zuckerberg when he's trying
to talk to women. Okay, so when Cheryl Sandberg started
working at Facebook as the CEO, and she's of course
a feminist icon just kidding, google her. She's the scariest
person alive. Um. But Mark loves her, and so he

(38:33):
has taken around the office say hey, this is your
new boss. And he introduced her to I guess a
group of female employees and said something akin to Hi,
this is Cheryl Samberg. She is your new boss. She
is so smart, she is so cool. Look at her hair.
It's so pretty. You should all try to have hair
like Cheryl's. By that was the whole. So that's like

(38:58):
what Mark Zuckerberg is actually like. And I, for one,
I'm glad they didn't commit that to film. I prefer
the toxic, misogynist Mark Zuckerberg. Then look at her pretty hair.
It sounds like a bad like a like a tagline
pitch for Barbie, like on the Guys like First Days, Like,

(39:19):
all right, she's smart, she's cool. You gotta have hair
like her. That's all I got. Yeah, well I hope
you buy it. Um oh and some of the um
just like he did give out cards that said I'm
CEO bitch, that's a true story. That is very true.
Then yeah, most of the other context stuff I think
will fit into our discussion there. Like UM, this movie

(39:42):
was UM at the time of its release. I think
one of the first movies we've covered that was called
out for its sexism when it came out, Because this
movie came out in so it was around the time
that people were starting to realize women were around for
the first about ten years ago it became visible, and
so there was a lot of criticism of this movie

(40:04):
of how I treated women at the time, to the
point where it warranted a response from Aaron Sorkin. You know,
he really does his best to to justify this. So
here's what he had to say at the time. Quote
Facebook was born during a night of incredible misogyny. The
idea of comparing women to farm animals and then to

(40:26):
each other based on their looks, and then publicly ranking them.
It was a revenge stunt, aimed first at the woman
who had mostly recently broke his heart, and then at
the entire female population of Harvard more generally. I was
writing about an angry and deeply misogynistic group of people.
These aren't the cuddly nerds we made movies about in
the eighties, what you know, the ones that were date

(40:48):
raping women the continuing the quote, sorry he didn't say that,
they're very angry that the cheerleader still wants to go
out with a quarterback instead of the men parentheses always brave,
who are running the universe right now. The women they
surround themselves with aren't women who challenge them parentheses, and frankly,

(41:09):
no woman who could challenge them would be interested in
being anywhere near them close parentheses. He finishes these women,
whether it's the girls who are happy to take their
clothes off and dance for the boys or Eduardo's psycho girlfriend,
are real, I mean really real, unquote so feminist icon

(41:31):
Aaron sor Kim Uh, my thirty minute alarm just went off.
It's a great time to say, Aaron, poor ribs. Now
back to the quote. If you're like I loved it, yeah,
I think that really sort of removes his responsibility and

(41:54):
how bad this movie depicts women, especially like just doubling
down on the psycho thing, where it's like, what does
it add to the story to make her the way
that she is, Like, what does her portrayal add to this?
What does having that one line where like the women
are playing video games and like like we know what
that is. It's like there's so many moments I'm like,
what is this for? Exactly? Like I like, I I

(42:16):
think his first point, which is that men who were
in early Silicon Valley where misogynists. Yes, right, but that
doesn't mean that like that absolves him of responsibility to
show any of those women outside of their like what
he deems is their like narrative relevancy. It doesn't mean
that he had to write women only as obstacles in

(42:39):
the story, like obstacles or vehicles for exposition, that would
then does like disappear forever? Or poor Rashida Jones who
has to stomp and basically break the fourth wall at
the end of the movie and be like Mark Zuckerberg
not a bad guy like her and her whole role
in this movie is just going so wait and just

(43:00):
like saying what we just saw. Also she just recaps
the scene we just saw, makes it seem like he
might be fusable, and then at the end it's like
innocent and it's it's just so yeah, Aaron Sorkin, like,
I mean whatever, we could talk about how Aaron Sorkin
and David Fincher have depicted women all day long, but

(43:22):
we simply don't have time. They're both you know, not
feminist icones. They're and and on top of it, I mean,
David Fincher is an asshole, but Aaron Sorkin is annoying.
He thinks he's so smart, he's such a He had
to sit at his computer and write, you know what's
better than a million dollars and then he was like, like,

(43:45):
he's about to come a billion. It took him a
lot of takes too. He was like, all right, formula
no no dead for a while. Oh God, I just
like it's his writing is so obnoxious. But sometimes in

(44:05):
this movie, I feel like it works a lot of
the time because he's supposed to. Like sometimes with aaron's
orkins writing, I feel like it's unclear of whether the
character is supposed to sound like a pretentious asshole or
if it's just something aeron's Orkin wrote down. But on
this movie, for the most of the part, for the
most part, it fits. Well. That's the thing I spent

(44:26):
the first several years enjoying this movie and thinking like, oh,
Mark Zuckerberg, what a cool, smart, punk genius prophet, because
like the writing is such that almost every scene of
the movie ends with like this epic like Mike drop
like come back, like oh, he sure showed them, And

(44:49):
it makes you think and and like the thesis statement
of the movie is Brashida Jones's line being like, You're
not an asshole, You're just trying so hard to be.
And I think the movie once audiences to think like, oh,
he's really actually he's tortured and nice. And now rewatching
the movie for this episode, which I did four times,

(45:12):
rewatched it four times because there's it's so I had
to watch it because there's so much dialogue. It was
giving me whiplash. I think that the music is so loud,
you're like Aaron Sorkin was like, there needs to be
one word of dialogue for every dollar that Michael Zuckerberg has,
and Mike Zuckerberg the entire script as Mike Zuckerburg. Then

(45:37):
the finding replaced that there end. That's how little I
think of Mike. I know his name is Mark, Mike,
don't he's gonna He's gonna buy Costco just despite you
both has has anyone here ever worked for Mike? Always
have some people who work for Mike? I thought, truly,

(46:00):
I'm just like that. I don't know how San Francisco works.
I'm like, it's everybody just like how where all movie stars?
Because we live in l A. I mean, yeah, yeah. Anyway,
So before I messed up the hilarious punchline of my joke, um,
there's so much the dialogue is very dense in the movie,
so I had to watch it so many times to

(46:21):
be like, what did you catch every sexist phrase that
was set? I eventually did, yes after my fourth watch.
But so now the point that I'm trying to arrive
at is that, like the it's he's an asshole Mark Zuckerberg, okay,
and that and by that I mean him as a character.

(46:42):
Mark Zuckerberg as a character is an insufferable asshole, but
the movie wants you to think that he's very cool. Well,
and we were talking about this earlier today of like
how that is kind of a very slippery slope that
you tread when you're writing a biopic like this, Because
I feel like, yeah, like my need on this movie
has changed over time and that's more a reflection on

(47:03):
like me and how the world has changed around me
than it is on the movie itself maybe, And like, yeah,
when I watched it originally, I'm like, oh, Mark Zuckerberg
is well and also the marketing punk genius, like he's
a punk genius prophet, because that was how it was marketed.
But then when you watch it, I think, like, all
the elements of like he is an asshole are there,

(47:25):
but there's other movies, like we're talking about Vice a
little bit kind of chose this line in a way
as well, where you see it's a it's a movie
that makes fucking Dick Cheney look cool, and you're like,
what was it? What was that important to do? There
was there a pressing need for that where all the
facts and indications that he is not a cool person

(47:45):
to be admired are there, But the way that the
movie is presented to you is saying something a little
bit different. And so yeah, this is kind of like
one of those weird uncanny things. Should we talk about women?
I can't What if I was like, no, I forgot,

(48:07):
I forgot? Should we start with the Erica Albright? Uh,
you know, sort of the best character in the movie. Yeah,
Erica Albright's played by Ruoney mara Is. I think that
the opening scene to this movie is truly like one
of my favorite scenes ever ever. It's really good. I mean,
there's that line at the end of like I want

(48:28):
you to know that you'll think that women don't want
to be with you because you're a nerd, and it's not.
It's because you're an asshole. And wouldn't that line have
been so much more effective if the last line in
the movie wasn't You're not an asshole? But oh well,
you know they will try it again. Um. But I
like her character a lot. I think something that was
stood up to me when I was just researching how

(48:49):
this movie was received in two thousand time was there
are a lot of people who were criticizing the movie
for its treatment of women, rightfully so, referring to this
character as a feminist kill joy um, which we love.
But I think watching the movie, like I like her portrayal.
I think she's very hard on him from the very beginning.

(49:11):
You know exactly why he's nagging her, he's talking down
to her, he's treating her like ship, and she breaks
up with him right away because why wouldn't you? And
when he comes back talking to her about his dot com,
she's like, good luck with your video game. She's great.
I love her that. I like to think I like

(49:32):
to think that she never responds to his friend request
at the end. That's like the best possible PostScript that
she just deletes in. It's like I don't care at all,
right if she's just like, actually a more I'm with
Tom from my space she showed him. Do you feel
like that last scene? The whole thing about Rashida Jones

(49:54):
is lyne that undercuts it is like when you say
you're you're not nastural, you're just trying to be It's like,
what's the difference if you're trying to be a person
makes And it's sort of it's sort of sets up.
Mark Zuckerberg could be this like just sad, pathetic nerd
who really just wants to be loved, And it's like, yeah,
but the path to him being loved for some reason
is like I have to blaze a trail of bodies

(50:15):
in my path, of people who like didn't bow at
my feet, and that means like talking shit about women
and like fucking over my friends and who it's like, no,
you're an asshole. Erica's right. It's weird that they let
that be the end of the movie. Times from my
Space is a lucky man. I think, yeah, like it's
totally and and and I mean, unfortunately, there's not even

(50:35):
that much we can say about Rashida Jones's character, who's
named Maryland. I guess, uh where. I think that Aaron
Sarkin is kind of trying to do Aaron Sorkin at
least feels tangentially aware that he is not good at
writing female characters, to the point where he feels like
he needs to justify it by being like, um, actually,
I'm really good at it, like he did in that quote.

(50:58):
So what I'm I read of what he's doing with
Maryland's character is Marylyn is a lawyer. She's in the
room at all of these Um is it a deposition here?
I don't know. Fireside, she's at the Zuck Chats, the

(51:18):
Winkies are there, at Wardo's there and everyone's having a
good time. And but she's there, and we are told
several times she's very good at her job. She knows
what she's doing. And I feel like Aaron Sorkin kind
of does that to offset, like, oh, maybe if I
say she's good at her job, even though I never
have to show it, it'll be fine and no one
will notice that she's just recapping scenes and then absolving

(51:40):
the protagonist of any guilt's um But you know, we
see you, we see you. She's not given much to say,
but what she does usually say is something where she's
just so impressed by our friend Mike Zuckerberg's Your Psycho
twenty two hundred, and she's written in such a way.

(52:01):
She were like, she can't even get like one fact right,
and he's like, no, twenty two thousand, and she's like
and then at the end he asks her out, and
then she doesn't even say. She's like, I can't like,
but it's like she wants to. She just they were
just laying out crimes on crimes on crimes on crimes,
crimes that this man had done all day long. He's

(52:23):
being a dick, he's being horrible. He's extorted like millions
and billions of dollars. And he's like, do you want
to get food? She's like, maybe, like, what's a boy?
I know? I feel so bad for Rashida Jones. Can
we go back to Erica first. Yeah, so okay, she
is a great character, but like the story only affords

(52:46):
her like I don't know, seven or eight minutes of
screen time, Like we hardly get to see her, and
she's I think, along with Christie, the female character we
see the most, and it's like seven's hardly anything. Yeah,
and the movie frames the whole reason like Mark creates
and expands Facebook is to like teach her a lesson

(53:10):
for not being with him almost which kind of brings
us into so the fact that Priscilla Mark's future wife
is if the story were historically accurate, Priscilla would be
present in the story at some point because she's known
Mark since about two thousand three. They've become involved in

(53:31):
two thousand five, so at the point that the hearings
are being shown, they would have been in a relationship
for years. He wouldn't be Facebook friend requesting Erica Albright
that we know of, um Man, I don't like I
genuinely of The one thing I'll say about Mark Zuckerberg
is I don't think that he's a cheater. I don't
think anyone wants him. Um So, I think he's loyal.

(53:57):
I think he's loyal to his wife, so that was slander.
Priscilla has also called the movie hurtful. She's she's written
out of it entirely. Um, and I think that, like
I I get the narrative reason for doing that, But
that's only because like what you were saying that Aaron

(54:17):
Sorkin kind of uses Erica Albright as this like narrative
engine to fuel Mark's need for revenge, right, because when
he sees her at that bar and she refuses, rightfully
refuses to like go somewhere and talk to him, because
she's like, you called me a bit on the internet,
you like body women to farm. And he's like, I

(54:39):
didn't end up actually doing that. It's like shut up, apologize, um,
and she's like, no, screw you, like I'm here with
my friends. And then he like runs away and he's
like we have to expand Facebook. We have to add
every school in the world, and like, yeah, she's like
poised as just like this tool within the narrative to
just like motivate him further, right, Like, yeah, we we

(55:02):
never find out really anything about her other than she
goes to be you and she's the best character. Yeah,
those are the things we know some other women in
the movie dacote to Johnson's in this movie. That was
the pleasant of that. I don't think I knew who
Dakota Johnson was the last time I saw this movie. Neither. Yeah,

(55:22):
brave of us to not know. We hadn't seen Fifty
Shades of Gray yet. Um. But there are some other
women in this movie who challenge Mark Zuckerberg for his
sexist behavior, because, make no mistake, that is mostly what
he is doing in this movie is being sexist. Um.
But these these women appear so infrequently and are given

(55:44):
so little narrative significance that they like you forget that
they're even there most of the time. But there's like
Rooney Mara is the main person who does this. And
then like when you see the montage of men rating
women on face mash, there's a shot of a girl
who comes in. She's like, that's my roommate, and I

(56:06):
think she's supposed to be like disgusted but unclear. But
then there's another she's proud, She's proud, I recognize her. Wow,
that's my roommate. Um. But then we cut to another
shot of a few women looking at facemash dot com
with like disgusted looks on their face, and then one

(56:26):
of them says, oh, this is pathetic. And then there's
that female student in his class who passes him a
note that says you dick um, and then he and
then and then Jesse Eisenberg gives this really dramatic pout.
He's like me dick oh no, and then he Leah

(56:48):
starts to leave the class, and then he answers a
question right, and we're like, oh, he's great, right exactly,
because every scene ends with like him being like I'm
the smartest person ever. And then there's like mention of
women's groups like going after him and being like face
Mash was mean, But they're always like just framed as
being like pesky obstacles and we don't even like see

(57:09):
it's unfold on screen. Right. Well, that's the main I
think issue with how women are written. They're only written
as obstacles, obstacles dressing. Yeah. So it's like the movie
tells you, oh, what he's doing to women with face
Mash is really bad, but the cinematography tells you, here's
a lot of sexy women, and let's film them at

(57:30):
parties and they're wet, like the the like written stuff
versus what David Fincher brings to the table is because
there's that famous like juxtaposed montage. Right, I went to
film school and and it's like the nerd boys coding,

(57:51):
doing their coding on the computer, um to to do
face mash not. And that's juxtaposed against the cool Harvard
boys in their final club inviting a bus full of
women into their party. And then we see shots of

(58:11):
them like taking their clothes off, making out with each other,
like just acting as like sexualized set dressing basically, and
I'm like, I keep trying to figure out what the
intention of this montage is. I have an idea, Well,
the best I could come up with is just that like, look, men,
whether they're like popular and cool or like nerds, neither

(58:35):
group likes women. But which is true? Which is true?
But then there's like kind of no comment on that.
By the moment, there's like there's it's just like and
now you get to see women kissing each other for
men's pleasure, and then and then there's no commentary. Yeah,
there's no there's well should we talk about Christie? Yes? Yes?

(58:58):
Uh so, Brent the song is in this movie and
I love Brenda Song. We're like, yes, Wendy, woo there
she is. Does anyone here Wendy who come coming warrior? Yeah,
hopefully a d coming. Yes, I don't know anything about London.
Tipton's in the movie. I'm watching it right. So Brenda

(59:20):
Song is amazing and she is is I think, very
much done dirty in this movie. Um. So she plays
a character name it's Chrissie Christie, Christie Christie who has
a friend named Alice who will we don't know. And
she gives Mark Huckerberg a blowjob in the bathroom. She

(59:41):
gives sheaves regret that sweet Harvard head that we've heard about,
which these two, these four people go into two bathroom
stalls right next to each other, and we're supposed to
be like, damn, may God at all. I would be like,

(01:00:02):
you can both hear your best friend in the world
getting their dick sucked right now? How are you? How
is this great for you? You guys are in a
all right, it's there. It's framed as if and they

(01:00:23):
act as if it's the best thing that happened. We
got croupies and which is which is strictly how they're
framed throughout the movie, Alice disappears pretty quickly from the narrative,
but Christie remains. We first meet Christie when Mark Zuckerberg
is saying something racist about her but that she's out

(01:00:43):
of ear shot for towards Eduardo. Um. They all later
hook up. Christie is in a relationship with Eduardo and
then I mean, she doesn't have a lot of narrative
impact she's around she I think the most impact she
has in the longest scene she's in, which is when
um Sean meets up with Eduardo and says, drop the

(01:01:03):
eighth cleaner, Like that's that scene. She spends the entire
scene being like, WARNO, calmed down, give me another apple, Tenny.
That is her contribution. She gets apple tenies and because Sean,
that's the also the only I'm like, I wonder if
Aaron Sorghum is even trying to be sexist or if
that was just happened to be how sexist he is.
But the only time someone directly addresses her in that

(01:01:25):
scene is when the waiter comes by and it's like,
what would you like and Sean turns to we were like, oh, yeah,
Brenda's song is in this scene, and justin Timber, like
like you choose, and she's like apple tennis and that's
all she says. The scripts probably is like Sean turns
to her, giving her agency and he's just like yeah,

(01:01:50):
I did it, yeah, just like yeah, it's like another
day's work. Yeah, And then he puts his male feminist
T shirt bout gone and goes to bed. Tomorrow begins
production on Molly's Game, My female protagonist movie. Uh he's
a weird man, but yeah, so so. Christie Is is

(01:02:15):
sidelined for most of the part she's in, and then
very suddenly Eduardo goes to Palo Alto and then comes
back and all of a sudden, Christie has just she's
gone off the rails and she is all of a sudden,
we have no information to believe that she is a
jealous girlfriend. Prior to this, she's very chill. She's ordering

(01:02:35):
Apple Apple teen, she's around. All of a sudden, she
shows up and Andrew Garfield's dorm and is like I
sent to forty seven texts and like she's just is
made to seem so irrational so quickly. There's nothing that
I saw to indicate that she was like at all.
She lights his ship on fire, and then two seconds

(01:02:57):
later is like, are you leaving? Like they just make
her seem so irrational out of nowhere, and it's it's
just because she's being written as an obstacle to him
very suddenly that's her importance in that scene. She's in
the way of Eduardo being with Facebook. Can I give
an honest to God, like what I truly believe happened here.

(01:03:17):
I think that they shot the movie or like wrote
it all that had it done, got to the end,
and someone was like, what happened to Christie? And they're
like and they went back. They went back. We're like,
we gotta write her out somehow, and they're like make
her crazy. And he's like, I don't want anything to
do because it's like all in one scene. If it's
turn happened, the scene could be excise from the movie
and it would just be like, oh right, I guess

(01:03:38):
Brenda Song died right right? But they do. I feel
like they do worse than just make her disappear. They
like make her every like negative girlfriend trope that exists
that she lights it on fire and we see her
he's and and then so we have to understand when
he dumps her and then she's gone from the movie

(01:03:59):
and like a perfect that. I like that, that makes sense.
I also love her line, have you ever seen me
wear a scarf? Is? That? Was like that was their
version of like, she's got to hate the scarf for
some reason, she's never had a scarf. There we go,
She's know what a scarf is? Like? There, what's this?

(01:04:20):
She was what the fund is there? That doesn't go
on my on my foot? He's like, no, they even
a scarf. She's like, are you fucking me with me
right now? I don't know what this is? I let
fire it just it was so ridiculous and just like

(01:04:41):
a character that has been like insulted in the first
line of dialogue, ignored for an hour and then there
and then immediately like gotten rid of by being like, oh,
she's like yeah, the crazy Troupe, It's yeah. She's it's
so inconsistent the way she's characterized. And then there's that
scene where Mark has decided to expand and he's delegating

(01:05:02):
to Timmy from Drastic Park. He's like, your marketing or something.
You're Timmy, not the actor, but the dustin whatever. He
has twelve billion dollars isn't that upsetting? Yes, he should
be illegal, Bernie. We're making Dustin illegal, thank you. Yeah,
I want everybody involved in Facebook to go to jail.

(01:05:26):
That's pretty good, except for the Winkle Bosses. They can stay.
They're in my cabinet. But we're switching the American economy
to wink coins. Andrew Yang's like, everyone gets one wink

(01:05:46):
coin a month. Um. I feel like Andrew Yang and
the Winkle Bosses know each other. It does seems like
they know each other for sure. They text. I don't
know anyway. So there's that scene where Mark is delegating

(01:06:07):
tasks to his roommates who are now all billionaires, and
then Christie and Alice or like, can we do anything
to help? And Mark is just like no, moving on
dustin your head of marketing, Like yeah, And then Sean
Parker's treatment of female characters is kind of the same.
There's very strong suggestions by the movie that I'm like,
I wonder if Aaron Sorkin had research that indicated this,

(01:06:29):
because it comes up a lot of times, but I
couldn't find anything on it that that Sean Parker is
around underage women a lot and like applying them with
alcohol the entire time. Anytime Sean Parker is around a woman,
someone walks in the room, is like, how old is
that woman? Like such a strong allegation. There's got to
be something to there. There was like I looked so

(01:06:51):
hard to see, like is there bait? But so I
just have to imagine it was one of his interviews
or he's mean like that was just but I mean
that that like drug right on the Palo Alto house.
That was true and like, but there was nothing indicated
about the age of people there. So Sarkin knows something
we don't. I don't know join this Patreon. I don't know.

(01:07:12):
He screwed out by Napster somehow, and he's like, I'll
show you. Yes, he was an independent uh. I also
love that in his very first scene they sort of
set him up as like, well, he's a good guy
because he knows everything about this this college girl. Yes.
I was confused about how that scene was supposed to
come off. The sem of referencing is the Dakota Johnson
scene whereas we first meet Sean Parker, he's dressed in

(01:07:35):
a crisp white linen waking up after a one night stand,
as if that's ever happened, Like, imagine someone looking nice.
I'm like, I would prefer they were out of my house.
But he wakes up he's at a college student's house.
He is not a college student, that's what we know.
And then there's immediately that that you know, thing that
goes through where he checks to you know, Dakota Johnson says, oh,

(01:07:58):
you're not fifteen or something, and he's like, no, or
you because it's just that is how the movie treats him,
maximum which like fool me once, right, right, But then
as she is like, I bet you don't remember anything
about me, and then he remembers too much everything about her,
and he's like, I remember you. Your name is blah

(01:08:18):
blah blah, you go to blah blah blah. Your social
Security number is zero. Like he knows so much, and
I think this is supposed to come off as oh,
he's a nice guy, But to me, I'm like, if
someone knew and even if I told them that much,
and then I slept with him and they woke up
at my house and they're like, your name is Jamie
Bethany Loftus. I would be like, oh my god, leave

(01:08:40):
my apartment. It feels like you're in like Minority Report.
You just woke up like here's your identity. But it
also feels like he woke up in the middle of
the night and memorize these facts because he's like, this
happens all the time. I'm not gonna And that's when
you put on that clean shirt. Think yeah, this scene,
this scene is there to remind you that justent timber
like it's actually not a good actor, because that's the

(01:09:00):
scene where he does the crisp white linen and then
he's like, yeah, this is your name, this is where
you come from, and and she's like, okay, I'm gonna
take a shower. And then he opens her laptop which
is open to the Facebook dot com and he goes oh.
We're like, oh my god, he's got like a boner. Yeah,
he's like. And then he's like, well what is this.

(01:09:22):
She's like, it's Facebook. Everyone loves it. And then he's like,
I gotta find you, Margaret. This is my favorite. It's
like an evil an evil villain line. He's like, I
have to find you big. You're like, all right, he's
a terrible actor. He's the worst actor of all time.
I like when he flinches though that that part is
so when Andrew Gard feels about to punch him. I

(01:09:45):
also I don't remember like the context of how we
all looked at the Internet in like two thousand eight
or whatever. But if you open someone's computer and saw
a website you didn't recognize, you wouldn't be like, wait
a minute, what is What's so? Like he's he's a
media like something's here, Like I want five versions of
this scene where he opens it. It's like asked dot com.

(01:10:09):
Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I want to find and
replace version of this movie where it's just like it's
the entire thing is just like geo cities. Every line
is dubbed like if you were inventor of geo cities,
you would invent a geo city. I want the line
from me where he's like, and now I have to
do is find you, Jeeves. There's something something similar happens

(01:10:38):
to what you're talking about, dummy. Earlier in the movie
where apparently everyone on Earth reads Mark Zuckerberg's live journal,
because there's a student at BU who like comes into
Erica Albrid's dorm room with a bra and he uses
a transphobic slur. But uh, and he would have only
known anything about that if he had read Mark Zuckerberg's blog,

(01:11:02):
like everyone's blogging to zuck on it their home. Yeah,
this is back when they were only like five web pages.
That was another one of my favorite badly written like
oh yeah, Eron Sorkin didn't grow up with the internet
lines where like Erica's roommate walks into the room and
it's like, Erica, he's blogging about you, and you're like,

(01:11:25):
no one has ever said that, thank you, nameless female character. Right. Um,
So to conclude what I think we were originally talking about,
Christie has not treated well in the movie. So, I
mean the way Asian women especially are talked about and
then depicted in the movie is really not good, very disrespectful. Yeah,

(01:11:51):
and and and it's kind of like this is another
thing that it's like, Um, Aaron Sorkin had the source
material to not do this, Like Mark Zuckerberg, for all
of his war crimes, did have female friends in college. Um,
and female friends that like he hung out with and
knew the names of and didn't yell at his mommy, mommy,

(01:12:14):
and I'm where was mrs Z? The mrs Z visibility
wasn't an all time loan in this um But what
were we talking? Oh no about the whole Asian women thing.
I do feel it feels like a curious choice given
that like Zuckerberg's wife is an Asian woman, yes, and
that he was dating her while this movie was supposed
to have been happening. And there's like like that line before,

(01:12:37):
like when they go to the a pie party and
they talk about how Jewish men and Asian women like
are like meant to be together, and I was just like,
this feels pointed and unnecessary. It's like, like, what what
are the filmmakers trying to accomplish with that? It was
very very weird. Yeah. And then there's also I mean
what we were talking about a little bit earlier, and

(01:12:58):
we've referenced as there's a few um characters in this
movie who were people of color who were played by
white actors, which you're just like, Okay, David Fincher, we
get it. Yes, Well, if it's yourself was busy, then
I guess right, you're like Jesus Christ. This movie was

(01:13:21):
produced by Kevin Spacey, and there was my my boyfriend
Isaac Brave. Wow, what was pointing out? Nay, I would say,
explaining to us the fact that no, he's great, he'll

(01:13:43):
be selling mer chapter the show. Um. But he was
telling us when we were rewatching the movie last night
that there are multiple producers of this movie who have
been on the lowly to express. Um. We're talking obviously
Kevin Spacey been on the low Leader Express. I believe
David Fincher was on that list of names. Scott Reuden

(01:14:05):
is also on that list of name. So we have
three major players involved in the social network that have
been on Jeffrey Epstein's plane. So, um, just a reminder
that we live in hell. Thank you. Do you think
that they were on that plane only because they were
looking for Sean Parker. We're doing research, like you're just like, Uh,

(01:14:27):
Aaron Sorkin not invited on the plane? So um, feminist horrible? Um.
Does anyone have any other final thoughts? Uh? No, we've
barely scratched the surface, and yet we're running. And I

(01:14:49):
have a quote from Mark Zuckerberg that I wanted to
share about what he like. He was basically asked, well,
if what Aaron Sorkin wrote wasn't what happened during the
making of Facebook, what was happening and I'll do my
best Mark Zuckerberg here, Okay, but I think it's such
a big disconnect from the way people who make movies

(01:15:09):
think about what we do in Silicon Valley. We're building stuff.
They just can't wrap their head around the idea that
someone might build something just because they like building things.
So that's what Mark Zuckerberg said is actually happening. They
were building things. That was That's all that was happening.

(01:15:30):
Ignore the blood shed. Um um. I think we have
a few moments for some audience questions and comments and contributions.
Does anyone and if you have something, we have another mix.
So if you want to come up and do we
have any Oh yeah, so come on down, come on down.

(01:15:52):
Oh yeah, uh so I actually came out. I didn't
watch a movie. I just love you guys. And I'm
not clear if we covered or not. Is or is
not the movie about a network that was bitten social?
Oh question, thank you so much. So this is for

(01:16:17):
people who follow me on Twitter and who are familiar
with the very stupid joke. I refuse to stop doing it.
The movie is not about a network bitten by a
radio active social and that's why it's bad. Thank you
so much. None of the reasons we described. I might
argue that it is if the network is just the
Internet as a whole, in the radio active social is

(01:16:39):
the final clubs. Okay, that's an interesting proposition, but you're wrong.
This leaves it in a gray area for me. Still,
I'd like answer, Oh, I can't don't have anything, thank you,
thank you? Does anyone else? Hi? What's your name? Name?

(01:17:00):
Hi names Jamie? Hi? Hi, jam I also went to
college in Boston. Yes, I know, we know, of course
we know. So we know that Mark Zuckerberg isn't exactly human.
So I have to ask on the range wet scabs
or dry scab? Does Mark? Okay, the question being for

(01:17:23):
those of you who aren't familiar with the age old question,
does beetle juice come wet scabs or dry scabs? Jamie
seeks to extend this question further. Does Mark Zuckerberg come
Mark Zuckerberg's Halloween character? I think yes, I think he's
Halloween cannon um and he comes lines of code? Do

(01:17:45):
you do you think he comes lines of code? You
think he comes content? I think I'm gonna go I'm
gonna I'm still gonna go dry for this one, and
just a reminder, the sound of coming dry scabs kind
of sounds like a deck of cards being shuffled, um,
whereas coming wet scalps sounds like a laser jet printer
printing full color pages. Every time Marks like aberg comes,

(01:18:09):
it's the beginning of the matrix. That's my fear. I've
Code coming down the window. Oh, that's just Marks first
come at the thing with that movie. Interesting, that's what
he was referring to with that line, like if you
knew what you were looking for, you would have seen
it out my window. Just his lines of I'm I'm

(01:18:38):
all for team Code Come, could come any other Yeah,
come on down. I think Code comes one of the
companies that's in the controversy section first week. Hello. Hi, Hi,
I'm Adrianna. Hi. So I just kind of want to
get your take. How do you think that Sarkin would

(01:19:00):
have handled all the me and mar and like us, Senate,
would you handled it? Yes? Well, there's a sequel coming
out this, The Social Tutorwork, an extremely social network movie.
That's it. The um, how would I I don't know,

(01:19:20):
I mean, I don't trust Aaron's or going to handle
anything responsibly or will. Really, I think he would have
probably taken about what happened and then made it sound
five hundred times more annoying than what actually happened. I
think he's like, what if the people in me and
mar were really quippy like and you're like, that's not
the point of the story, sir um. Yeah, he would

(01:19:42):
have just been really obnoxious about He would have done
a lot of research and then somehow still done a
major disservice to everybody involved. I think it would have
just been like that scene in the newsroom where Gabby
Gifford's get shots and then everyone's running around and like
coplays fix you plays. If you haven't seen that scene,
please please go and watch. That is the quintessential Wow.

(01:20:04):
We really let Aaron Sorkin do this multiple times, right.
It sucks because when it works, it worked really well,
and when it's horrible, you clenched so hard your whole
seal like it's like wild, we have time for one word, person,
you ask at the same time. All right. So I

(01:20:24):
did notice that Christie did actually have a prompt for
why she went crazy, and it was that he didn't
change his relationship status on his Facebook and his excuse
was that he didn't know how right though he wrote
the original code, but the algorithm the whole, so he

(01:20:45):
was lying in that scene. Yeah, he was lying. I
thank you for that. Thank you. Yes he is a asshole.
Thank you. And then you've caught up. God damn it. Hi,
I'm Ashley. I really loved what you guys said about

(01:21:06):
justin timber Lake. But as someone who has watched his
Man in the Woods trailer several dozen times and made
fun of it and has it probably memorized, I was
hoping because I know you guys are almost out of time,
but if you had any more material on Justin Timberlake,
I would just really like to hear. Um. Okay, I
genuinely I think well, first of all, justin Timberlake is

(01:21:29):
I think a good ish musician. I think that Future
Sex Love Sounds is one of my still one of
my favorite albums. I will sometimes turn it on during
a date, which I wouldn't recommend. Um. I've also turned
on the Jeks during a date. So um, justin here,

(01:21:51):
I mean, I think it's the most talented of like
he maybe one of the few boy band people who
is marketed as the most talented and is the most
talented because they were always trying to be like Nick
Carter's such a good singer, and you're like, but I
can hear him, like, you know, so I'm trying to
stop gaslighting me. He's not good. It clearly Brian's the star, right,

(01:22:13):
So Brian was the star than from Backstreet Boys. Everyone
was just being mean to Brian because he had a
hard condition that was literally he was really embarrassing. I
went to see the Backstreet Boys the night before eleven
and no coincidence, anyways, I wanted to see that. That

(01:22:39):
was my first time seeing the Backstreet Boys, and I
loved Brian so much. And I was eight, and I
brought a sign that said I heart you, and the
heart was damaged because he had a heart condition. I
said I. I was like, I broke and like, funked
up heart you, Brian. So you did that on purpose?

(01:23:01):
I did. I thought I was being empathetic to his
heart condition. That's what I have to say about justin Timberley. Also,
I love you, guys, and I'm sorry to compliment a man.
During the Bechtel cast, Demi Daddy Kiss is one of
my favorite songs. Thank you. Some of you have no

(01:23:23):
context for that phrase, and I'll keep it that way. Yeah,
don't take up too much space. Steal it, steal it
off of Napster. Also, lastly, apparently Shaun Parker did not
found Napster. He had best co founded it, but generally

(01:23:44):
he was just a high ranking employee who took all
the credit. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, well the
show's over. No, I'm kidding. It doesn't pass the Becktel test. Also,
it doesn't. It doesn't even like Okay, so women are
barely in the same room together in the movie. But

(01:24:05):
I feel like, at the very least, the attorney that
represents Eduardo and uh Rashida Jones could have said, give
them two lines, I want to go to Chipotle. No,
it could have also just stopped at Montage and had
the women that are kissing just like I really like

(01:24:26):
kissing you Christie, Yeah you too, Margot, and then get
right back at it. Yeah, I've been like feminist text done.
But no, it does not pass the Backdel test. What
would we rate this on her nipple scale zero to
five nipples based on its representation of women? Um, I'm
going to give it like a half nipple and it's
all for Erica Albright, who is not a real person,

(01:24:50):
and most of the other characters in the movie she's
based on a real person. But we should have seen her.
This story should have been told from her point of
She should have been like Delilah from Hey there, Delilah,
and like it's me she should but whatever. Anyways, Yeah,
I'll also go half nipple. I'm giving mine to Christie

(01:25:10):
because Wendy Wood deserved better. I feel like I can't
go higher, so I'm also gonna go half nipple, and
I'm gonna give mine to Sharon, who for those of
you who have seen the movie, oh, exactly right, she's
the woman who can't catch a beer bottle. Right, Mike

(01:25:32):
Zuckerberg hurls two beers at her and they both shot.
I wish that scene went on forever. I think it's great,
especially because you know, David Fincher does like a hundred
takes of everything, so they could have been like, all right, newtake, alright,
just put all of them in the editing time back after.

(01:25:53):
I also love that her entire introduction is this is
my Sharon, and then just like you don't have anything
more to really do the thing about Sharon is she
can't catch a beer bottle? Where is the franchise script
for that said, Sharon can't catch a beer bottle? Right?
Fellas well, Demi, thank you so much for being here.

(01:26:16):
Give it up for bang uh and and elite third
time guests. Yes, you've joined a club, a final club,
a bile club if you will, so now you don't
need to invent something that will ruin us all. My
best friend mine, where can people follow you online? I'm

(01:26:40):
at Electra lemon on Everything and uh watch Ionia. I
believe it's on Hulu and Paddington. While you're at it,
watch Paddington. Thank you so much for coming to the
show and we'll see you next year. Thank you all right, gang,
that's our live show on the social network ding. We

(01:27:05):
have so many people to thank, First of all, uh
to our wonderful guest Demi Didju e Bay, as well
as everyone who came for crying out loud that such
a fun show, so fun. Thanks for coming. Thanks for
anyone who bought merch that really helps us out. Thanks
to everyone who asked a question or made a comment.
Thank you too. Oh I don't remember their name off
the top of my head. But um, the person who

(01:27:26):
made us the laser cut Paddingtonton's. That was real. That
was a thrill. I carry it with me like a
totem from an inception. Oh my gosh, I love my Paddington's.
Because whoever you are pleased tweet at us or like
post on Instagram, you did at the time. I just
wish I can remember. Yeah, we're we're horrible, We're bad,
but we're kids. We're canceled. But please let us know

(01:27:50):
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It was really Thank you so much for that nice, nice,
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to Isaac Taylor, uh and uh yeah in a sketch
fest for having us again. Everyone was so lovely and
h we packed out the damn place. It was such
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(01:28:15):
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(01:28:37):
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