What Women Want with Laci Mosley

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have
women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing
it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and welcome to the
Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Lofton, my name is
Caitlin Darante, and this is our podcast about the portrayal

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of women in movies. That's right, and how movies usually
do a bad job. Yeah, we use the I don't
I need to like wake up? This is earlier than
we usually record. It's ten. I am, yeah, I do.
I will say the fury of this movie does kind
of drive me, and how today I will go, I
just used to wake myself up into it. So we

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use the Bechdel test, uh media metric created by Alison
Bechdel that we use as a starting off point. But
there's a lot more to talk about than the Bechdel
Test alone. Indeed, and of course the Becktel test, if
you're not familiar, requires the at a piece of media.
A movie, let's say, has two female identifying characters who

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are named. They must speak to each other, and their
conversation cannot be about men who informed by an impending reboot.
I haven't seen any of the reviews of the impending reboot.
I have not seen reviews. I have seen the trailer
several times. I have too. Yeah, which I don't think

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it looks good, but I think it has been at
least given a little bit more thought in terms of
basically everything than this movie what women want. I hope
it's good. Yeah, I hope it's good. I will probably
see it. I just I'm a Taragi p Henson stand

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so usually go. I don't know. I'm just like, I
don't think a reboot of a rom com is strange
to me? Right, and this, I mean, okay, well, we'll
get into it. There's there's too much. In fact, I
feel like this movie took me like five hours to
watch because I kept having to pause and like take
notes and be like what did he just say? Like

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what it was? It was exhausting, went into a blind
furious this type. Well, well, before we jump in, let's
introduce our guest. She is an actress. She is a comedian.
You remember her from our Ten Things I Hate About
You episode. It's Lacey Mosley. Hey back so good that

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was fun. I had a good time of here yelling
about that movie. Fun. Yeah, yelling. I mean it keeps
it keeps my blood pressure where it needs to be,
rightly up, almost bursting out of my skin. I can
feel the blood moving through my veins. Yeah, I feel that, right,
that's normal. It's good to remember. It's good to remember that.

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Uh yeah, so what women want? It's a two thousand movie.
It was a hit, big hit, seventy million dollar budget,
which is like, what for for? Who? Why are you
that much? I think to make mel Gibson dance for
that long? That was talking about one of the more

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upsetting things of it. But it made almost four million dollars.
Oh my god, people domestically or like internationally, I'm wikipedialy,
so it's probably total everywhere, just cleaning up. I mean,
this is kind of like maybe on the later end

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of peak Mel Gibson, like when people would go to
see a movie. It feels crazy now, but just because
he was in it, people would be like the thing, Okay,
the first thing that drives me crazy is this was
directed by a woman, Nancy Myers, who hasn't who's all
over the place. Yes, we've covered several of her movies
that she's directed, including The Parent Trap, The Lindsay Lion one,

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and The Holiday and the Intern, which is one of
my favorite bad movies. Oh yeah, that's a good one.
What if old people wanted to work? And like Robert
de Niro's The Underdog movie, I was like, Okay, I
guess yeah, let's see Anne Hathaway's the villain. Like it's
just Oh, I love it. She's also made some some stinkies.

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She's made a Father of the Bride Part one and two.
I haven't seen that. Haven't seen. It's complicated. Oh it's complicated,
was true? I like it complicate. Marilyn a movie. I'm like,
sign fash that ship was bad, But I said, I

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didn't see it. It's complicated. I kind of did funk
with it. I think I I like more Nancy Myers
movies than I dislike, even The Holiday, as stupid as
it is. Like rich white lady fantasy, one day when
I become a rich white lady, I too would share

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my house and have an eventure. Yes, they don't even
have an adventure though that at the other people's houses.
The whole time. They don't even go outside for me,
that's an eventure. It's pre AIRB and B. It was
a simpler time. Just being in someone else's house was
why we're like, whoa this is? And then and then

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Jack Black. My favorite part of that movie is the
movie does not consider Jack Black hot enough to kiss. Well.
Jude Law is shown actively fucking the whole movie. Jack
Black gets a little peck on the cheek at like
the last second, and they're like, that's all you get,
normal looking person. Anyways, I I now that I'm looking

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at her, I mean I I She's definitely got some
problematic faves, but in general, this I would say is
my least favorite movie of hers. Yeah. Yeah, What Women
Want is a movie that I hate. So um it
was a fun to hate watch. There's a version of
this that I could imagine, like making a drinking game

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and getting very fucked, like just drink every time you're upset,
and then you die in alcohol Police. Yeah. It's crazy
how frustrated this movie is so quickly. I've never seen
an opening montage just goes. It's like, whatever this is

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leading up to it was not worth it at all.
So Lacy, what's your history with this movie? When did
you first see it, you know. So I saw this
movie when it came out of two thousand. Remember I
remember seeing this movie I'm Gonna put an age on myself.
I was nine, and I liked this movie because I
was a problematic child. I mean I had to go

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back and look at my tweets from even college and
I was like, who is this bit ruined my life?
I deleted man ship, I paid for one of those
services and wiped all my ship clean. I said, I
don't know that bitch. I ain't never knew her, and
nobody can prove that I did. Everyone has to wipe
who they were pres before I talked to other people.

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Lord Jesus, But I remember enjoying this movie. I remember
kicking to this movie like, oh this is funny, yes,
mal um my god the time of my life where
I said yes, mal oh child. But so I remember
enjoying it. I remember being like, oh, I loved drom
comms and I've always loved comedy obviously, So I remember

(07:49):
being like, oh, this movie is killing me. Look he
now he sympathized with the women because he heard their thoughts.
Oh lord no, so yeah, that has has me problematic. Lacy, Hey,
we were all there, all there, fully there, Jamie, what
about you? Uh? This was my mom's favorite movie, of

(08:10):
mom's favorite movies, that makes sense. My my friend was
saying the same thing. He's like every mom in Wisconsin
fucking squirts for this movie, like they're my mom had
this on VHS. I remember, I like, I don't think
I saw it. I've seen it in like bits and
pieces on TV over the years. I think this was
the first time I've seen it all the way through.

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But I knew this story because my mom would. My
mom would use this movie and Click as like ways
to impart life lessons to me, where with Click she'd
always be like, you know, you really can't go back.
She's just a demented woman. She's just you know, you
can't go back. Really, there's no rewind button. I wish

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I had a click. But but what women want was
like when she it was so funny, she was like,
I mean she might still be struggling through, uh the
whole because she loved mel Gibson and h had has
had a lot to work through. But yeah, my experience
was I'm pretty sure I saw like chunks of it

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on like TNT over the course of years, but this
is my first time all the way through, and it
was a journey, right, It's a journey I'll never forget.
And I hate to say it, but it like it
has like the pacing and the parts of all Nancy
Myers movies that I do like. So it was weird
to see a movie that was like paced and looked

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and sort of sounded like a movie that I have
liked but have everything filled in with horrible bullshit. See.
I think the pacing is one of this movie's worst things.
And there's a lot wrong with it because first of all,
it's two out over two hours, which is way too
long for rom com Yeah, and it like it just

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feels like it takes a really long time for the
romantic story to get going, and then in the last
two seconds yet to be like Judy Greer, don't yeah,
there's always and that it was still funny. We'll get
to that. That was like, it's interesting. I think if
I enjoyed mel Gibson, like if I thought he was

(10:20):
like a Zaddie or something, but I would understand the
pacing more because I'd be like, oh, they'd be like,
you know, I'm watching this movie because I have a
hard on for Mel Gibson, so, you know, having dancing
ship and as he's not he's not charming like an
uncle in this movie. He was quite I remember how
old he was. I remember thinking he looked young in
the movie. I don't know, I think that I'm like two.

(10:43):
I guess it was a long fucking time ago. But
people were like, yeah, I would I want this scene
to go on longer. Why is that dancing seems so long?
I don't even know. It felt like like they took
his resume and was like, well, what has he not
done in the movie yet, Let's do his ex Let's
do to accent, you know what he's talking about the
TV Let's do it shot. Let's just do a Sean Connery.

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And they all saw they were just picking off the resume.
Let's do to dance thing, Let's go to dancing n
and yes, not in the script. And then he turns
on bitch and then he takes his shirt off, and like,
this is not what bitch should be playing during is
a shirtless Mel Gibson. That's the opposite of what that
song stands for. I God, I did love to I mean,

(11:30):
although I do love to see Mel Gibs and get electrocuted.
That was fun. That was tight. Oh yeah, because he's
trying to electrocute himself. And then at the and he
accidentally gets electrocuted. Before going to a doctor, He's like,
let me just get drunk and electric a second time,
which could have cut the movie short, especially with the

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amount of electrocution. They showed like they zoomed out from
the building and it was like an explosion. He was
hit by lightning. Know where he could? Yeah, he wakes
up on his couch. My history with the movie is
I don't think I saw it the whole way through
either until just watching it to prep for the episode.

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But I thought that I had, And I think it's
just because I've seen the trailer for this movie a
million times. Like I remember seeing the trailer when the
movie was coming out, and then I just that made
me think that I had seen it or I knew
the premise and not, so I think maybe I've seen
parts of it. In any case, there was so much
that I didn't remember or didn't know about, and I

(12:35):
am furious about it. But shall we get into the recap?
I guess. So there's so many subplots to tackle I
feel like this movie needs two subplots. Gone, Yes, there's
so many there's so many women in his life. So
suddenly the Judy Grew storyline like makes mental illness is

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what it isn't in every single way, but to the
point where it did make me laugh where she just
want I just was somewhere like I wish he'd killed me.
It was like, so, whoever wrote this has never been
depressed the day in their fucking life. That's not what
It's crazy. He almost killed me and I loved them

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like she wanted to kill herself because she didn't get
a promotion, or like that's just not enough. The way
suicidality is handled is it's just completely wrong, to the
point where I'm like, all right, I'm down to laugh.
This is the thing that's never happened before. Right, Maybe

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that's what they were going for. I don't know. I
hope so, because they're like, this is a way to
treat suicide and not have it be in the realm
of reality, because if it was to fit the tone
of the movie, which just to me is like, then
just don't have it. I haven't get rid of it.
But also I love that he doesn't notice that she's
suicidal to the end, but he does notice that she's funny.

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He says like, he's like, oh, you know what, we
should have her as a copywriter. She's very funny. Every
time I bump into her, she's like, well, she would
have murdered me. He does notice, but he totally brushes
it off. He's like, she's funny. Suicidal, but funny, and
that's what matters. And then he finds and then he's like,
she's not here. Oh no, she meant all those suicidal

(14:29):
thoughts she was having better go to her apartment. So
she does anyway, didn't he like, doesn't he find her
suicide note? And then but then she's there and they're like,
she's like, what are you doing here? I'm like, well,
he's holding your suicide note. So this has to be
a conversation or just tell him to leave. But he's like,

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ha ha, you are funny. Do you want to be promoted?
And then she's like, oh, y, he would fixed my suicide.
I don't care. Before he fixed our suicide. He has
a whole moment to himself about his own ship, like
he's like, comes in, it's like this, don't kill yourself
then she's like, oh, why are you here. Then he's like,

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I can't hear your thoughts. Say some thoughts. I'm saying thoughts.
Let me think about me. It turns around to himself
about his own life, and then it's like, right, right,
right right, don't kill yourself much. He goes back to it, Oh,
there's something more urgent here. Ah, you what it's. He

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takes a break from stopping this woman's suicide to be like,
oh my god. The third act of the movie, it's
still happening. There's a lot of moments in this movie
where mel Gibson is really like mugging to nobody that's
like one of them. There's the moment he's in the
department store and he's hearing thoughts. He's like, it's like

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you look completely like out of your mind. And then
later when he's like, oh, this thing that I have
is actually a gift, and he's like running down the
street and like getting close to women to like hear
their thoughts, and he's like he immediately starts abusing it,
but with the permission of a woman. So we're supposed
to think that's okay, because it's like, oh, Bette Midler's

(16:17):
old trifle mask I used to love bet Miler came out, Oh, Chad,
but back when I used to love So she just
comes out as like, mal, you have a gift, go
use that ship. Everybody comes back never never. She's not
even credited in the movie, which is why she doesn't
appear in the credits. That's very funny. When she saw that,

(16:40):
she was like, I don't know. She's like, never mind,
take me out. Actually I don't know, but you're in question.
I used to love you, man, I had your album
anyway another time. So the story, I'll get through this
as quickly as possible because there's so much to talk about.
But okay, So we meet Nick Marshall played by Mel Gibson.
He is a player. He's a manipulator of women. He

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has an ex wife who feels that he never understood her.
He has a fifteen year old daughter named Alex who
he's never really connected with. There's this woman named Lola
who works at a coffee shop that he keeps trying
to ask out. We see him at work. He's up
for a big promotion as a creative director at the
ad agency where he works, but he doesn't get it
because Darcy McGuire Helen Hunt's character is hired instead, and

(17:27):
Nick knows of this person and thinks that she is
a bitch on wheels quote from the movie It's ridiculous. Yeah,
she is hired over him because his boss played by
Alan Alda, is like, we need it's a woman's world
out there, you know, the how how could he? How could?

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He's like, younger women are buying stuff, so we like
need to cater to that demographic. So that's why he
hires Darcy and she comes in. She's like, hey, let's
figure out how to advertise this box of products to women,
expensive box of products that everyone gets. And Nick is
all like, what a fucking bitch she is for like

(18:10):
doing her job. The like the low key framing of
like yeah, like the whole point of this movie is
to sell products to women that are too expensive that
they don't need. So it's a real capitalist love story
where you're entering yeah, yeah. Yeah. So then there's a
five minute scene of him dancing to Frank sinatra Um,

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which does not need to be in the movie. I
guess it's trying to endear us to him, because otherwise
he's so irredeemable. But anyway, he's getting more and more naked,
and you're just like, oh no. And so as he's
trying these different products and he's struggling with him because
he doesn't understand women. Um, and he's talking to himself

(18:52):
way too much. He like accidentally, like prat Fall style,
electrocutes himself with a hair dryer in a bathtub. That's fun.
He's also listening to Bitch. He's listening woman. Yeah, Atlantis Morrisett. No,
I always think always it's someone else who is not

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Atlantis Morsett, but I always think it's Alanis mor Set. Yeah,
just because it's got bitch in the title. Sounds like
a nineties attus. Meredith Brooks. Yes, that's the one. I
don't did she make any other song. I think she's
had a few other hits. Maybe I don't know that's her.
That's her song. Hard to say Sorry, I'll to all you,
Meredith Brooks. Fans out there are screaming heads are gonna

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come for us with Mary be My mentions are demolished,
so our apologies. But anyway, so when he wakes up,
he discovers that he can hear women's thoughts. Is it
because you got electrocuted by an enchanted women's hair product,
I thought, because he had on all the ladies, all

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the ladies on the nail polish, and he had on
the leg although and I did not like that his
nails were perfectly painted. I was like, well, how to
fund he pay his nails so well? And he got
a top coat on. Get the funk out here? Really,
no damn top coat? Now do that out of here? Yeah. Um.
So then he's like, oh my god, I'm going crazy.

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Why can I hear these women's thoughts? And there's like
this pitch meeting that he performs badly because he learns
that a bunch of women think that he is a jerk,
and he is genuinely shocked. He's like what I was
starting to think, nobody likes. But also when he can
first hear that though there's I mean, we can break

(20:43):
these down to detail later. But the way that the
thoughts were kind of depends on what the scene is,
because at first he's walking down the street and women
are thinking about the most stereotypical women thinking like estrogen
and other women's like child rearing. Well, the next one's
like calories that I do the right thing in the kitchen,

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I don't know. But then but then when he gets
the office, then it gets like more critical of him.
But if first ever women are only ever thinking about
him for a few exceptions, yeah, the thought the thoughts
were first you, like you said, all women's thoughts like
oh my push china, oh nips and lady bits and

(21:28):
men maybe, And then it turns it's just everything is
about him, and every woman in his life completely thinks
and works for him, even in their own brains. They're
not free of being obsessed with him. With mel Gibbs, yeah, okay.
So then meanwhile, his daughter Alex is staying with him.
She's got a boyfriend who uh, he doesn't like. She

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and her dad are not getting along. And then he
can hear his daughter's thoughts too, and he's all like,
oh no, how dare my daughter have any sexual feelings?
And then he tries to reverse what has happened by
re electrocuting himself, but it does not work. He just
gets electrocuted. He just gets electrocuted but survives and he's fine.

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So he goes to his former marriage counselor played by
Bette Midler, and she's like Wow, this is actually a gift.
This is a good thing for you. You have to
learn from this and if you know what women want,
then you can rule, she says, and he's like like
why who are And then there's also like supposed to

(22:34):
be the justification for him being a complete piece of
ship with this new gift, but it's like a woman
told him to you all ask for it? Yeah, Yeah,
this movie finds so many ways to blame what's happening
on women. It's like he was raised by a bunch
of floozies, old times holes, and they taught him to

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be this misogynistic and they said, touch my ask because
I'm a floosi hole in vegues, Like what did the
very forgetting his ex wife absolves him of everything? It's
not like and which also like if you think about
it for two seconds, makes no sense of like, oh,
he was raised by a single mother who is like

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working in Vegas, but he hates women, like it just doesn't.
I think they were trying to say that because he
was raised by what is deemed to be not respectable,
you know, women who obviously don't have any self esteem
because there flos then obviously how could he respect woman
because he's never known a woman who respected herself. Exhausted

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directed by a woman, this movie and co written by
a woman, and I know it's shame on everyone involved
in this movie has like very little respect for any
like woman who isn't like white and working in an office.
Because even at the end in that scene with his
daughter where the daughter was like, and then he gives

(24:00):
us what with a tongue ring, and then he was like,
I can't believe he kissed us with a tongue ring.
Just to say that again, They're like, no, we have
to also let mel Gibson happy. He's a feminist icon
and people want to hear it. Oh sorry, So he
uses what now He also believes to be this gift

(24:23):
to take out Lola or to ask her out, and
he's like, don't worry, I won't hurt you. He's reading
all our thoughts. She's manipulating her goodness um, and she
really likes him. So he's like basically taking advantage of
the situation. And then back at the office, he goes
to Darcy and he learns via her thoughts that she

(24:45):
wants to land the Nike Women's division as a client.
Do you think maybe Nike gave this movie a little
bit of money to repeat itly call them the most
feminist friend that's ever existed. There's like a very long
scene where Helen Hunt is like, okay, so Nike, as

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we know, loves and respects women in every way, and
this is like what we have to do to just
put on display how much women should be buying Nike products.
And they gives him like, yes, of course Nike and women.
When they make out, she's moaning, oh, Nike, just do

(25:26):
it subtle advertising shout out to goodness. Um. So he's like, hey,
I'll help you with Nike. And then their boss comes
in and he's like, hey, let me get to read
on something. And then Nick steals all of her thoughts
and uses them as his own. Not the first time
he's done this. He already tried it with Anagasta, but

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it backs successful. So now he's better at stealing. He's
better at it. And because he's still trying to sabotage
Darcy and get her fired because he still wants her job,
he's trying to get on his daughter's good side by
offering to buy her prom dress. Um. He goes on
that date with Lola and they have sex and he's
bad at it at first, and then he starts he's like,

(26:11):
wait a minute, if I just listen to her thoughts,
I'll be good at sex, and then that works to me.
Really overacts her way through it, but I enjoyed it
the whole thing. She's like Mel Gibbs, bis good naked.

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Then he starts bonding with various women at his office
and he Sarah Paulson's there so many great women and
their talents are completely wasted on but they gotta check, honey,
that check get the money. I mean, I guess if
you're like an up and coming like actress, that's like,

(26:57):
do you want to be in a Nancy Myers movie?
You're like sure, but they were like the Twists, it's
the worst Nancy. Um. So then he and Darcy start
to work together on the pitch for Nike, and he
uses his mind reading powers to make her think that
they're on the same wavelength um. And then she thinks uh,

(27:18):
and he knows her thoughts that she might be attracted
to him, and then she looks at his penis and
that scene that I think is from the trailer, but
the penis twice I looked at his penis. I don't know,
I looked at it again. I kind of giggled. But
also I shouldn't have. She reacts in a way that
is like not subtle, and she could have just been

(27:40):
like oops. Um. So then they start to flirt and
they go onto this like romantic dinner. They kiss, uh,
and then later Lola is like, wait a minute, remember
when you had sex with me? You're gay? And he's like, yeah,
it was. There's so much done talk with that scene.
We'll get there. Um. And then in the pitch meeting

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to Nike, he started he's feeling guilty about having stolen
her ideas, but she's like, no, no, no, you do
the pitch meeting. So he does it, and he nails it.
Everyone in Nike's immediately like where can I side this guy?
I want to give him my vagina? So brutal. And

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then Ellen Alda's like, wow, this darcy lady, what a
mistake that was. So he fires her because he thinks
that she hasn't done anything. And then Nick's like, wait
a minute, no, the good ideas were actually hers. You've
got to hire her back. And then the various subplots
that don't need to be in the movie. Come to

(28:46):
a conclusion where he has to go to proms. He
has goes to prom. They walk him through the whole prom.
Look it com nobody has to be in high school
for the problem to happen. Forty six years old and

(29:07):
fucking prom, this cne ass man and they talk. He
gets it with no problem. He approaching a teenage girl.
He's like, hey, do you know my daughter? She's got
brown hair, and oh the brown haired girl, yeah, she's
in there. And then her his daughter, is like, I
can't believe in telling you this. I was gonna freak,

(29:29):
but then guys are bad. And then he was like,
he was like, listen, I know what it's like to
be a woman, because for like three days, I know
what it's like to be a woman. And if he's
kissing a slut with a tongue ring, just come home
and take a nap. And she's like, I forgive you
for not being there. Oh it's a mess. Also, his

(29:55):
ex wife calls it. There's so many unnecessary scenes in
this movie where like his ex Woy didn't need to
call him from a cruise, We didn't need to see
the crew at all. They paid for a whole cruize
million dollars. You can see the cruise. Let's get a boat.
She can't afford it. She's like, I'm on a cruise. Anyways,

(30:16):
I don't know if prom's going well. It's like, right, flex,
I don't appreciate that. They're just like, fucking, let's go
a whole prom. You mean it is chased through Chinatown
to get to Judy Greer's apartment save her life. Like
it's just there's so much like New York City is

(30:37):
ours Chicago. It's not even New York City, you know
where the advertising happens. It's Chicago, where of course there
are advertising firms. And but like there's that scene where um,
Sarah Paulson's like, hey, boyfriend, you can write from anywhere.
If I want to be in advertising, I have to
work in Chicago. Like okay, maybe I don't know. So

(31:01):
I feel bad for everyone who had to be in
this movie. So all these subplots like come doing and
he saves Rudy Career's life. That's the whole thing. And
then finally he gets ahold of Darcy and he's like
he admits to stealing her thoughts and manipulating her and
all of this stuff, and then she's like, well, but
does he really does? Like he the way he explains

(31:23):
it to her is weird where he's like, I was
stealing all your ideas and she wasn't. She does not
question it at all. Maybe she was also writing them
down somewhere, but she's never like, what did you go
into my computer? Like, she's like okay, she's like, oh
that's not cool, and you're fired, which that was fun,

(31:44):
but it's fun. She does fire him, but then she's like,
but you're still my boyfriend, so you're fired from my job,
but you're hired to my flag now gets to work,
so there that lass soon as a mess. She also

(32:05):
there's so many I'm like if she get her job
because she doesn't check to see if she's actually been rehired.
After the man who's like, I've been lying to you
the whole time is like, actually I was reading your
thoughts and you're fired, but also you're rehired, and she
was just like, ah, do I really have my job back?

(32:25):
Man who laed to me this whole time, you're fired,
let's kiss and then they kiss and then it is
mercifully over two hours later it's over. It was a
long movie, so we got to take a quick break.
But we'll come right back for the discussion. And we

(32:48):
are back. Where to start? I don't know. I don't
even know. I mean, like we touched on some of
it in their recap. The first thing that stood up
out to me was, like you were saying, lace, you
have the beginning sequence another expensive not important because it's
the child in Vegas being grown up in smoking cigars
and being kissed all like as an eight year old.

(33:11):
That whole sequence is like, well, this is setting us
up for a fucking disaster. Uh so that I mean,
we I don't know how if there's much more to
say about it, because like many things in this movie,
the topic of his mother and his upbringing is never
brought up again. And the thing that was problematic about
the child's upbringing wasn't all the women around him. It

(33:33):
was just that one man who had him smoking cigars,
counting money, and was that and then he was like
getting back to work, was that man from child gives

(33:54):
in his his accountant, like his account is like an
eight year old. He's like start counting this. He's like,
fucking he just like wanders into central casting, like the
women were actually lovely, they were like, oh hard, and
he grew up about so many nice women. But I
guess because they had the breasts out and they were
they were the thoughts of the time, he hated them.

(34:18):
It really, it makes no sense the whole intro. And
again it's like words put into his ex wife's mouth,
so it seems like the way she's explaining it is like,
because he grew up around like women that aren't to
my standard, that's why he's a raging misogynist. But then
the movie's like, no, but she's right, because look, he's

(34:38):
a raging misogynist. And then we get to the first sequence,
which in the first I was trying to clock it.
In the space of five minutes, he sexually harasses his
housekeeper within an inch of her life, including slapping her ass,
calling her babe, make me a sandwich, the whole nine yards.
Then he gets to work, he bumps into a woman

(35:00):
so she spills coffee and then he grabs her titty
and it's just like, oh, I'm sorry, and then she's like, oh,
she loves it. Hit her own purpose with this. That
bothered me because I was in my head weighing would
I rather a man grab my titty or spill my
coffee on me on purpose? And I was like, I
would my outfit. She's like, I'm like you my whole

(35:23):
ship up, didn't grab my titty. And then I'm gonna
be like thank you so much, Mr sir, Like that
was the most unrealistic part of the movie, like it
bloves this to me on purpose, and then you grab
my whole titty. And then she was like, it's like
when she snapped out that shirt is ruined and you
were assaulted. That's not good. Then he goes to Marissa Tomay,

(35:43):
who in this scene says no to him three times,
where he's like, oh's your god me and she's like no,
I'm not your type, which is like sure whatever, and
then he's like, yeah, sure, I got grande nick and
then she's like she's like no, I don't want to
and then he touches her hand. He's like who with
you and with me? There's a sucking line behind him
and she's like no, I don't think so, and then

(36:05):
he's like sure, and then at the end she's like, Okay,
you know what's crazy about that is I've seen so
many movies do that thing, but the guy like gets
increasingly charming and it works. But I've never seen even then,
I'm like, this is not real life. I said, no,
tell you your ask this because no, you went because like,
please stop asking me increasingly creepy and it works. That

(36:27):
was the weird thing for me. And I was like, this, mother,
I didn't even get no more charming. He was like,
go out with me, go out with me, this dick
out with me. I'm gonna touch you now. He also said,
I don't know how where the Starbucks sizes were at
it this time, but he's he's as grande, which is medium.
He's like, I've got a medium sized d some of

(36:50):
this that's like it's more of a tall, small dick.
So we're still a lot out of the first five
minutes of the movie. He oh, okay. So then and
now he's at work, he says that horrible joke to
that woman where he was like, is it crazy how
your wife doesn't suck your dick anymore? And she's like

(37:10):
ha ha ha. And then he goes up to his
friend who I thought was breck and Meyer but wasn't.
That's the only way I think I've described that. I
thought that he was the guy from The Walking Dead.
Oh it could have been, but it's neither of that
bigger lady like who wasn't bigger, she was Hollywood fat,
like a normal size pa. She's a six and she's

(37:34):
trying to eat a don'tnut. He's like, put that down,
fat bitch. It's in passing. He's just walking. It's insane.
And then and then he like the first five minutes
end when he's at Sarah Paulson and Sarah and he's
just like, I think that's like the least bad of
the interactions, but it's still bad because he's just condescending
to her and he's like, get my coffee, blah blah blah,

(37:56):
and that is how the movie starts. He's sexually her
is no less than like ten people batchas and salt. Yeah, well,
here's the thing about like everything women ate he does
in the first five minutes of the movie, it's really
the joke about the joke was incoherent, the one about

(38:17):
you was crazy. After ten years work still sus but
your wife still doesn't suck. I'm getting divorced and no, shure,
you're getting divorced. Well, that's okay. So he's set up
to be this like horrible misogynist. I guess as the
audience were supposed to see that he's a misogynist, but

(38:38):
he's also the protagonist who we're like, ah, he's charming,
and so what if he's assaulting and harassing women. It's weird.
It wasn't even that charming Gibson's fault because I just
think mel Gibson is inherently not charming. But this guy
is not charming. Nothing he did. I was like, I
could see how somebody would get away with this, Like
I was always like, no, the like the uncanny Valley

(39:02):
of like us needing to believe Mel Gibson is hot
is like on par with like the Polar Express. You're
just like they're no, this looks wrong, Like everything about
this is wrong. I feel tricked. I feel like was
like this man is sexy to y'all know, we never
never said this, we said so it's a listening. Then,

(39:23):
so whenever he can start to hear women's thoughts, he
realizes that all of the comments who's been making have
been not received well and that he has not been
respecting women. So to me, it feels like this movie
attempts to make a feminist message. I don't think it
succeeds or works at all, But I don't know that

(39:44):
that I don't That's what is Like a lot of
moms love this movie, and that is baffling to me.
But I'm like, is I don't know? It's not feminist
in any way, but I did. There are moments where
you can tell the movie thinks it's doing right and
you're just like, because I think the message of the
movie is supposed to be or the thing that the

(40:06):
like filmmakers intended for the audience to take away was that,
oh man, this this guy who doesn't respect women until
he's forced to like get inside their heads and like
learn that he's been sexist to them this whole time.
So he has to like change his attitude about women
if he wants to keep having sex with them. He's
got to learn he's gotta listen. Like there is like

(40:27):
an attempt atta like men should listen to women more.
This being revolutionary at the time, I think I'm kind
of like, I mean, we're progressively getting more feminists, you know,
as the years go on, or at least starting to
listen to women. The structures, the infrastructures that keep women
and people of color still exist or keep us down
that you know, they exist, um still and they're going

(40:48):
very strong. But at least there are mediums where we
can be heard. So I feel like this movie was
probably like if you were in solitary confinement and then
somebody lets you like walk around a prison cell, You'd
be like, oh damn, look at me, I got a toilet,
I gotta bit. Is it something like you'd be like,

(41:08):
like that is a step up? You still in jail,
like it just got a little room to move around.
Now you got the tuns in a while, no more.
It's just like crazy, difend if this movie, well, I
don't know, Like I feel like we're all too young
to really know what was then. But like if the

(41:29):
first movie that was like hey guys, maybe listen to
women for the first time in two thousands, they're like,
holy sh it, everyone's got to see this movie, like
not this revolutionary, like what that talk? Maybe you won't
grab my breast my shirt. It's also just crazy that
a movie called What Women Want stars Mel Gibson. It's

(41:53):
told from his point of view. It's about a guy
who never stops manipulating women until maybe the very very end.
And it also doesn't help that it's Mel Gibson and
he is a notorious racist and notoriously anti Semitic and
women he's got some mean voicemails, he's left women he's

(42:14):
absolutely like, which rings true in the movie. I think
that's why I don't. He's not even a little bit charm.
You can't because they're so hard to men who get
away with doing because you'd be like, mostly fine men.
My mom works in HR and was always like, you know,
we never get any reports about hot guys. That's just
what doesn't happen. And I was like, it's not okay still,

(42:35):
but there are some people who get away with more
because you're like, you kind of fine, let's still happen though,
because I feel like I think today, I think it's
an individual basis. I don't think there's a person alive
who can be disrespectful to a group of people and
someone's not going to find it disrespectful. But I think
that there are people who get a little bit more
case by case acknowledgement than others, and that does not

(43:00):
in of those and it does seem something like a
movie like this could reinforce uh, And a lot of
movies reinforce ideas like that. We're like, when hot guys
harass you, it's fine because you're supposed to like want
so that's well, we live in hell. Well this movie

(43:21):
is so this movie. Also it reinforces the idea that
women are impossible to figure out, that they never say
what they mean, that we aren't like clear communicators. Also
that when you're walking around, you're just like estrogen and
that should think full complete sentences. That was what was
bothering me. I was like, how much of my day
do I actually spend thinking like, oh my god, I

(43:42):
looked at his penis. I thought, I'm having stundering in
my head, Like in my head, I'm stuttering in my head.
Also the fact that he finds out he has this ability,
and then first he thinks it's a curse, and then
when he whenever bet Middler convinces them that it's actually
a gift, he's like, well, hey, it's fine. Then for

(44:05):
me to just completely be so invasive and read women
literally read women's thoughts in order to figure them out
and trick them and manipulate them like this makes him
so irredeemable throughout the entire movie, and then the movie
like makes the attempt to him standing at his house

(44:29):
and then him being like, it's so hard for me
to lie and say that I'm gay because I'm obviously
so straight. Obviously it'll stop fucking women. You know, I'm
going to make this concession for you because I read
your mind and tricked you into banning me. Like he
spent so much of this the time of this movie

(44:51):
stealing women's ideas, totally steamrolling them, gaslighting them into being like, no,
this was my idea, and just it's horrible that first
scene with on a gas star, why is your name?
I believe so say it wrong? But like when he's
first starting to realize that he can be a thought grifter,

(45:15):
he like steals an idea from one of the female
employees in the room, says it but says it kind
of wrong, and then immediately because I don't know, like,
I guess's idea also doesn't sound good, but it's like Adville,
what you take when you need to to fake a
headache so you don't have sex with your man? Right,
I was like, this is already too long of a

(45:36):
journey for a single billboy, I'm having an ad bill
tonight because I don't want to have your dick. What
is this? And then they'll givs and tries to communicate
women can't say that idea, I gotta take inset, don't forget.
Like that's how our women also attestament to help our
women have to go to just say they don't want

(45:58):
to have I have to take an add bill. You
have to buy advil, not because you needed, because you
need to fake addict because like a gentle pill in
front of your because women are so frigid that we
never want to have sex with our husbands or whatever.
And also if you don't want to, you can't just
say something. You need to insure. You have to like

(46:21):
ruin your liver and your kidneys with like medicine you
don't need. So then so then mel Gibson tries to
present that idea as his zone and then Helen Hunter
is like, what are you talking about? And then mel Gibson,
instead of being like, I'm sorry, that wasn't a good idea,
he then weaponizes it against the person whose idea it was.
He goes up to on a gas star and he's like,

(46:41):
you don't fuck your husband, do you? And then she
was like what. He's like, you fake your orgasms, don't you.
And she's like, no, I never fake my orgasms. And
he's like fuck you and he sits down. You're like, yeah, oh,
if he's supposed to be good at advertising, like you
can't tell what a good ideas and what a bad
idea is. Like you were just like, all right, which

(47:03):
one of these bitches is thinking right now? Okay, let
me get that thought. Woman has got to be good. Also,
don't forget that he interrupted the other woman who was
trying to pitch Helen Hunt an idea. He's like, wait
a minute, let me interrupt a man's talking. Here's my
stupid idea about advil. And that's the same woman who

(47:23):
he was like, wives don't suck enough, nick anyways, Like
that was the same lady. Yeah, And yet we're supposed
to feel that he has been redeemed by the end
of the movie, and then he's so the majority he is.
So he finds someone who is very so Helen Hunt's
really good at her job, and he steals her thoughts

(47:44):
and presents the messes on which she doesn't really push
back on ever his bizarre yeah, where she's like, that's
so crazy. I was just thinking that. But then even
so if she was just thinking that, then like we're
going it together. Like there, I don't because the thought
is is that women are so insecure and that like, oh,
she got this job. But come on, guys, we all

(48:05):
know she got the job because she's a woman. She
had to push China and needed one to really reform
at our company. So here she is, and Alan Arkin
like says buck Alan, He says that, he literally says,
like you're not gonna believe this, but women are making
purchases out there, so he like do he like tokenizes

(48:29):
her before we even meet her. And then she is,
I mean and that that's like a whole other like
that they made it true. They didn't actually even make
her smart because she never says any of your ideas
like out loud. It's that he steals them from her
head and realizes that she's smart, which otherwise he would
not have or Yeah, I don't know what would have

(48:50):
happened if he didn't. I feel like maybe he might
have crashed and burned, because then she would have been
good at her job. I think things would have worked
out much better for her if he couldn't read her
he wasn't around, because then he would have he wouldn't
have gotten the promotion. He still wouldn't have been good
at his job. She was having the good ideas, and
she wouldn't have wanted to hang out with him because
she heard he was an asshole. Because I feel like
the movie tried to make it seem like, well, if

(49:12):
he wasn't dealing the thoughts, would she have ever said them?
And I was like, oh, Ry, probably, yeah, I think
she would have. So. Also, the advertisement that he stole
from her head and then formulated into the ad was
still about men, like the ad at the end of
the day was about men. It was like the road
that you run on. It doesn't care if you have

(49:34):
on lipstick. It doesn't care if you're old or you're young,
like a man would care. It will call you back,
unlike that man that you're dealing with, Like this road,
it's better than a man. Like what's this road? If
you wanted to it, probably make it come better than
a man. What is happening? Like the road is It's

(49:55):
just it's fucking ridiculous, and then the women are like,
oh I love it, Yes, sign me up. The road
is for unforkable women. Jesus Christ. We got to take
another quick break, but we'll come right back. Another thing

(50:16):
I wanted to say about the Ellen Alda character and
that whole situation is Eleanorda doesn't hire a woman to
give her a professional opportunity or to like diversify the
company's employees. He only does it so that they can
make money. And he thinks that like, oh, well, if
we do this, then like we're going to pull in
a whole different demographic of people and that will make

(50:37):
us money. And I feel like that's a lot of
what the thinking is in like Hollywood still, where it's like, well,
we don't really care about, you know, showing the stories
of women or people of color or queer people, but
it's trendy to do right now, and people seem to
be paying money to go see those stories, so let's

(50:57):
do it. And it's like they're capitalized on a movement
rather than like actually giving people a platform to tell
their stories because they actually care about doing that and
about it. Yeah, And it's like if you're commenting on
it in the movie. That's one thing. But they're not
they're not doing they're saying, look, yes, white men are
more interesting than all of you hetero white men. We're

(51:18):
the best, We're the most interesting. But apparently Itches is
out here buying ship. So God, let's get one of
those ones with the boobs in here so that we
can get some of that money. Melankuson says, I hear
she is a bit on wheels, and then Alan Alder
rep that is very funny. There is Okay, I'm sorry,

(51:39):
there's something very funny about why on wheels is she
moving really fast? So she has this reputation apparently as
being like, I guess a ball buster something like that,
So why wouldn't she, whenever she's in this job be
more outspoken and like being unless like maybe this or

(52:00):
reputation was not earned or who I mean, It's hard
to say, but I think it's because she was a boss,
like a woman in a position of power. Immediately she
has to be a bit because that's how jobs were,
that's how people has a better position than you, and
she is unfortunately it is she's yeah, yeah, it's the

(52:21):
whole thing is confusing. And then the romantic pursuit and
their romantic relationship is also very troubling, where first he
absolutely hates her just based on her reputation alone. He
hates he resents the fact that she was hired instead
of him for this promotion. He does all this stuff
to undermine her, steals her ideas. Oh and then whenever

(52:43):
she's first introduced, there's like this weird, like male gaze
shot of just her legs where he's like on the
ground picking up a pen or something and he's like
looking at her legs and then it like pans up
and this like weird male gaze shot that like doesn't
need to happen, but I guess it's to establish that, like,
oh wow, she is attractive and they're going to end
up together. Like this is overly critical, but it is

(53:06):
of mel Gibson, so I don't think it matters. I
think he has a dead tooth. I kept pausing it
to be like, I think he has a dead tooth.
I think Mel Gibson has a dead tooth, which would
a dollar budget. You can get you a laugh too,
real quick cut the cut the fucking Vegas scene and
get this man a tooth, right, we need Jerry Bruckheimer

(53:29):
in there to get him some veneers. He had a
shadow tooth. It was haunting me. Yeah, Bruckheimer would not
be having any of this. No better to take him out,
put in a new set anyting like how are you
supposed to be extra super fun? And then he's kind
of dead tooth. Also, like that moment in the beginning

(53:49):
where she's speaking and she does like it seems like
she's on top of her ship. She comes in with
some products she already has to work for everyone to do,
and he's like with his foil. I think the guy
who's his best friend is meant to be a foil
of Like, yeah, Mel Gibson's trash, but look at this creepy,
little more trash guys. He's shorter and he's got a
douche face. Right, he's got to be worse than Mel.

(54:12):
What is this guy's purpose? But they're sneakering and undermining
her as she talks, and then when even when they
begin to become friends. It was very disturbing to me
because there is a power dynamic of this is your boss, dude,
and he never treats her like she's his boss. He
grabs her chair. That's on wheels and pulls it close
to him. Yeah, right, well their work, and yeah he's

(54:34):
like her underling. And it's never it's always she's like
I thinking about like someone who works for you, being
like get over here. I'm like, what, I'm gonna pull
your chair. No matter who did that to me, I
would probably also sick. And she's like, I'm I don't

(54:57):
feel and she's like he's like I don't care, Like
oh gosh, so yeah, he's doing all this whole stuff.
And then I mean, not to mention the very unequal
power dynamic of him being able to hear her innermost thoughts,
he has. What he should have done when he realized
he has this ability is go to like Walden Pond
and close himself up in a cabin and never leave again.

(55:19):
Like that's what a good person would have done. But
instead he's like, oh, I can hear every woman's thoughts.
Better take advantage of this. I don't know what he
I don't like. I have no suggestion for what he
should have done, except for like, not what he did.
I don't know. I mean the way that like the
magic of the hearing women's thoughts is very vague and

(55:42):
that's fine whatever, Like there's no way to explain it
that is going to make any fucking sense. But he's
stealing women's thoughts and weaponizing their own innermost thoughts against them,
and then on top of that, the writing of their
thoughts is like non sense. And the fact that he
has to get so physically close to a woman to

(56:04):
hear her thoughts, he's like, ah ha, and like my
least favorite one but also the most egregious one. Was
like when he literally like, there's such a women joggers
are constantly assaulted. It's like a known thing. But he
gives him just stands directly behind one and jogs after

(56:25):
her to hear her thoughts. I'm like, she thinks you're
going to kill her? Like that's and how are her
thoughts not about that? Like this man, okay, put my
car Kei's in between my fingers, Like these are the
real thoughts of this woman you're jogging behind. Also, Loretta
divine being in this movie. Loretta. I feel like Loretta

(56:46):
is the Samuel Jackson, like the black woman Samuel Jackson
just like up in movies with the same accent. And
I'm like, Loretta, how did you get it? This movie,
her coaches attracted to him. She's like someone that whe chocolate,
because that's what black women are thinking about white men.
But my first thought, all the color in this movie,

(57:06):
which of which there are not many, are like relegated
to either like service jobs and areolds and then they're
they're just like made the butt of a joke, mostly,
like especially with Loretta Divine, because it's like, look how
horny she is. Isn't that hilarious? So horny for him?
He would never think, right, it is funny that a
woman would be attracted to mel Gibson, But it's like,

(57:30):
you have fucking Loretta Divine here. Use her correctly makes
the housekeeper character too. I think that it seems like
this movie assumes that it can say a lot of
horrible things as long as the woman it's being done
against thinks something later. But to me, that makes it
way worse because they never actually say anything. So you

(57:52):
just realize that like women are nervous or like afraid
in this world and like in the real world a
lot of the time, to you, like they're they're not
going to say what they think because they're afraid of
someone retaliating on them. His housekeeper is like clearly like
hates him but doesn't want to get fired, but so
has to like take this abuse from him in order

(58:13):
to remain. Like there's just so many dark subplots that
are played as jokes where it's like, well, we at
least now we know she thinks he's an asshole, and
like she knows he's a worthless alcoholic. It's like, yeah,
this is not good, Like we're we gotta help her. Yeah,
you got to help her. But I think it was
like more treated like women. We know you feel this

(58:33):
way around men, So enjoy this movie where you realize
all other women are in constant fear and discomfort around men,
but they're celebrate have because there's no Catharsis, because they're
just like, yeah, they don't escape, there's predicament, be stupid, right.
They never women never verbally challenge any of the men.

(58:55):
It's just their thoughts, which again perpetuates the idea that
it's like, well, women are never saying what they mean,
and we're impossible to figure out. We're just like keeping
everything to ourselves. But at the same time, we're always
thinking about you, always thinking about mel Gibson specific we
can't help ourselves. Poor Sarah Paulson another another great character
actress who has nothing to do here, like just and

(59:18):
they pointed that in the movie even it's like I
have a degree from and I like to get his coffee,
which is ironic because that's all she does in this movie. Yeah,
she probably really does have to. She's like a very talented,
like added actress. And then there's that scene where she's
like she's like yeah, She's like, do you realize I
have an Ivy League education and that running your errands

(59:39):
has put me into therapy? Why don't you take me
seriously and give me some real work to do? Oh yeah,
I remember why. It's because I have a vagina. And
it's like, okay, here's this again. This movie is attempt
at being like, see you, we're doing like a feminist
thing here, right, And it's like no, sorry, Nancy. Two
secretaries who have nothing, one of them is played by
Delta Park and they're like, this is okay because we

(01:00:00):
have a blonde and brunette, so no one can say
it's a dumb blonde because we all have a brunette.
And just think ever, did either you see the decor
in his office it's all like Vegas pin ups, like
he's got some mommy problems on display in his office
because it's all old school pin ups that he goes

(01:00:22):
in with his two of his two secretaries. Who I mean,
I'm like, what is this commenting on? Like just no,
no thoughts whatsoever. They just they're like, no, we say
what we mean, and what we mean is mel Gibson rules,
just like and that's the only thought we have. Dear
straighten his tie and we brushed the lint off of
him when he comes in. What is this? Are these women?

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I don't don't know. There's there are many women characters
in this movie, but often they only get a handful
of scenes or just like a couple of scenes and
we don't see them again, or they were part of
a wacko subplot, like the Judy character. And you know,
we already touched on how irresponsibly depression and like suicidal

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ideation is handled in this movie, but like, yeah, what
was anyone thinking? No one was thinking that whole I mean,
the Judy Grew thing. It's like, I don't I don't
even know how deep I feel like we we basically
touched on it because they're high. I have a male
dog taking up too much space. Excuse me, I don't

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I don't know. The Judy Grew thing is is a
fucking disaster, and I feel like analyzing it too closely
is almost just like what's the point because I'm just
thinking about it in the first place. I do want
to talk a little bit about his relationship with his daughter,
because that's frame we get. We don't really get to
know his ex wife very well, except for the fact
that he fucking hates her at the end. We don't

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really know if that relationship has changed or how justified
it was in the first place. Also, he tries to
kiss her on the mouth at her own wedding to
another man, like came in and just slack the funk
out of her. He's like, but first yeah, he's like,
can I kiss you? And she's like yeah, and she
thinks it's gonna be like a cheek kiss and he

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goes into her mouth and he's like and then the
guy did they get to be? Her new husband is
obviously some type cast of whatever, a dorky man it's
supposed to look like. It's like, looks she went from
this hot male gibsonstad to this cornball, dorky spain like
there there. It reminded me of the new dad or

(01:02:30):
new boyfriend in The Santa Claus, like where it's like
where Tim Allen supposed to look like a super alpha
because this other guy's wearing a sweater. You're just like,
I don't believe I can't respect this man wearing a sweater.
Right if they're like he's wearing a sweater and he
loves you, funk off. You could have had it bad
with me. You could, because they'll be sufferating with a

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sexy man. It's worse in the Santa Claus because I
don't even think time Ellen was ever like position as
a sexy person, so it's just confusing. Has never been attractive. Also,
like he's a Republican, yeah, yeah, the like the relationship

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with his daughter, Yeah, he's so irresponsible with his daughter.
Every person in his life is an afterthought, which was
really disturbing to me. Like he catches his daughter making
out with a do she kid who's eighteen and looks
like trouble, and then he's like, get up, you can't
have none of my daughter's vagina, and then then they

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both leave together, right right, Well, good job, Mel. Now
they're just gonna elsewhere. You want to have sex with
my daughter in an alley, you go won't be a
mock ouch like kicks them out that whole Oh. Another
scene that went on way too long is the scene
to what a Girl Wants like Christian Acular, where his

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daughter's trying on prom dresses for five minutes, just spinning
in a chair. Reaction. This is how much people thought
we loved Milk Gibson. And they were like, we don't
have to put dialogue in and we don't need jokes.
The girl doesn't even have to say anything. Let's just
keep showing Mills chair. I think Mello just like I
just finished a two o one class and I kind

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of want to show off what I've got. It starts improvi.
He does the same thing in the dancing and makeup scene,
but the spinning in a chair, I'm like, I don't
even know if they're in the same room when this
is being filled, because he's just yeah, maybe they were.
They're like, look, Mel has a very tight schedule. We're
just gonna shoot him spinning around, and he's gonna say next, next, next,

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There's no way, thank you, next, thank you? Next gave
us that. I was like, how would dare you? But
maybe they weren't in the same room for that. Now
I'm starting to think that that was one of those
like where they just had a tennis ball as an
eyeline for her when they shot her ship, and was like,
just male is gonna be right there? You just be
like dad, because he says thing that really corresponds with

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what she's saying. The reactions never line up. I'm like,
I guess it's not two thousand and I don't. But like,
all the dresses are horrible, horrible. There's no wide shot,
there's no two shot. Oh my god, they were never
any I think there because because he's trying to she
has she has like a leather jacket on one of

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and he keeps trying to pull it off. And then
there's another one where he's like trying to put his
hand in. It wasn't his hands, it was his whole body.
Unfortune unfortunately we had to see his whole body circus
kind of like c g I hands. Dresses were very bad,

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and she chooses one of the worst ones and he's like, yes,
you look amazing, and then she looks in because she's
a girl. She looks in the mirror and things, I
wish I had some boobies to fill out this DRez
and then were like, oh, their relationship is going well.
But then they have a dinner together and I mean,

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basically he's saying like, hey, don't fuck. I know I've
never done anything for you. I don't even know you are,
but it's critical you don't fuck, and she's she's I mean,
one of the better moments for her where she's like, no,
fuck you, I'm leaving. But then that scene ends. That

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scene ends with apparently every other woman in the restaurant,
who are all facing him for some reason, have an
opinion on the conversation they could not have possibly heard, right,
I guess the people's conversations. It's it's what is it?
I don't know what is tired. And then their storyline

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ends when she doesn't fuck because she's crying at the
prom and then he's like, thank god, you didn't fuck,
And that's sort of where that's left, Like there's no
acknowledgment of like her sexuality, and he never accepts because
of the way that storyline plays out, he never has
to accept that his daughter is growing up. He literally

(01:07:10):
tucks her in like a little girl, and it's like,
I'm a great dad. I gotta go leave the house
and funk Helen Hunt. Like he also didn't know that
she was going to the prom. He didn't he forget
off like like you know, parents usually like see you
off for taking pictures of you, Like the mom calls
from a cruise like, hey, something's wrong with our kid.

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It's and then he has just he gets that call
fresh off of saving Judy GRI's life and it's like
ship the prom, Like are you serious? He's going from
a suicide rescue to a prom and there and then
he gets to the prom and he's like, hey, I'm
sorry I forgot prom and she's like, that's not what
it is. I was like, but it could be like, yeah,

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it's the whole like eight simple rules of dating my
teenage daughter kind thing where it's like like why I
get that, you Like, parents want to you know, protect
their children and stuff like that. But we see so
much of these stories of like parents, especially the father's
being like, well, she's my baby girl, so no one,
no other boys can touch her. I have control over

(01:08:19):
her body and her sexuality. Why is this weird male
ownership of daughters. I don't mean it's a huge thing.
My daughter don't fuck the best day there was a
girl and I don't know what religion this ceremony is
affiliated with, but it's basically like something that happens when
you're in your early teens where you do this weird

(01:08:41):
ceremony your dad. It's like a promise. You get a
promise ceremony with your dad, Like I promise I won't
fuck dad. I'm married to you, dad, until I'm married
to some other man who owns me, and then I
we won't fun because that's weird, but we'll dance together
and gives me really close and take like creepy pictures

(01:09:05):
together with like girl sitting on her dad's lap a
lot of the time. I mean, I don't want to
be disrespectful to any really, but like that is that
it's like a weird property Paul, before we keep I
watched this movie with my boyfriend last night and thank

(01:09:26):
you so much with a man that loves me. But
he had a little theory was he reading your thoughts?
If he is, he is very horrible because uh no,
I have to explicitly tell him every thought I'm having
and I do. Uh So, his theory was that mel
Gibson when the hair dryer hits the water the first time,

(01:09:48):
mel Gibson dies and then his version of Hell is
having to hear what women think, and that's what the
whole movie is. I was like, whoa, okay, where this
is like his Groundhog Day purgatory style, Like the last
thing he wanted in life was to know what women
were thinking. And I'm like, you're giving the reading of

(01:10:09):
this movie way too much credit, but I wasn't. I
do enjoy that theory, and maybe since because that's why
he's trying to like electrocute himself again to stop it.
Oh my gosh. Um. I wanted to quickly talk about
the scene where his daughter and her boyfriend walk in
on him while he's trying on all like the different

(01:10:29):
quote feminine products, and it's meant to be this like
hugely embarrassing moment for him because like movies and society
in general love to make fun of men when they're
doing anything that might be considered feminine. So you know,
he's got on the tights and the nail polish and
all this stuff, and it's always framed was like, Wow,
how embarrassing for him, because like mixing traditionally feminine things

(01:10:54):
with traditionally masculine like with a traditionally man is so weird.
And this movie is no exception. It does that very thing,
which is bad. And then I feel like there's like that,
I mean, can we hit that homophobic storyline? We must? Yeah,

(01:11:14):
So what happens here is basically that, uh, he used
the god of sex. Now apparently he has sex with
Lola and she's really into him, and she thinks the
sex was great, and he doesn't call her because now
he's falling in love with Darcy. So then Lola basically
stalks him and like hangs outside of his building, like

(01:11:38):
her face pressed up against the window, like how do
you casually for something? And then she's like I've been
here for six hours, like my hands pressed on the
window and my face like peering inside, Like that's an
uncomfortable physician to hole for six hours. And then she's like,
wait a minute, you didn't call me, and and you're

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you're sensitive and you think like a woman and you
act like a woman and all this stuff, so that
must mean you're gay, right, And he's like huh, and
then he's hearing her thoughts and she's like, if he's
not gay, I'll be so sad and upset, and so
to like not hurt her feelings, he struggles to say

(01:12:20):
yet because I'm gay, and then she's like, how gay?
And he's like, is gay? Is that getting Like it's
like that, like what part of this isn't so funny?
You just touched my bread? Coffee's like she's loving it.

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It's also weird because it's like, is this the conception
that people have of homosexuality is like, Oh, because I'm gay,
I'm no longer a man, Like I'm no longer masculine anyway,
I'm no longer man, I'm a woman. Respect is bad
and so why that's not how anything works? And it's like,
but not only is like listening and respecting a woman

(01:13:05):
makes you gay, and that's really bad. That's the worst
thing you can do. He has to really, it's supposed
to be an equal exchange that he listened to this
woman's thoughts, like, first of all, harassed the ship out
of her to get this date. They listened to all
her thoughts and manipulated her to have sex with her.
They did not call her first six days ghosted her

(01:13:26):
so hard that she showed up to his damn house.
Him saying that he's gay is supposed to be a
fair and equal exchange, right, What it's not. I mean,
it's it's like very obviously insulting to any queer person
that he's like, oh yeah, I'm gonna take this opportunity

(01:13:47):
so that i can ghost this woman effectively, which is horrible.
Every Her opinions on queer people are horrible. His reinforcing
that and taking advantage of it as a horrible and
just the implication of like what being gay means in
this scene is weird. It's weird. But also this felt

(01:14:10):
like a moment that was written by a woman as
a as a former not woke and still always waking
up much more every day. Even as we talked, like
me referencing like, oh, like attractive men don't get written
up for sexual arrassment as much. It's like, oh, wow,
that is something that is ingrained in me, because I'm
supposed to think that if you're attractive, that, oh you

(01:14:32):
can disrespect me or be you know, inappropriate. Right, even
that moment, I was like, whoa, that's still something that's
in my mind. Thank you, But like I think a
woman brother, because I think a common thing that a
lot of women do to escape unwanted male advancements is
be like, I'm gay, And I think that this was

(01:14:53):
supposed to be like, oh, that that's that's what we
use on the men that we don't want all the time,
so they will leave a slone. Either we say we're
property like I have a boyfriend, or we say I'm
gay and then I my brain has no way to
want you physically, so you shouldn't feel bad that I
don't want you. And I was like oh, and then
he uses that same that's supposed to seem like a

(01:15:16):
moment I think it's supposed to appeal to women like, look,
a man did this thing that we have to do
because we just can't say no with our own agency
because men won't accept that right like you, there's no
option for like she has to prove in furious and
I guess that is the position males put in. It's like, well,

(01:15:37):
if I'm single, what can I say? Why can't I
say I didn't want her without just rejecting someone clearly?
But it's different because it's like if mel Gibson rejected her,
She's not gonna attack him, like something isn't like going
to He's not going to be I feel like that
the reason women are afraid to reject it because of
our fear of being hurt by men physically or killed.

(01:16:01):
And that's why this moment is even more gross to me,
because I feel like it's trying to liken what we
do sometimes to be safe, as oh, look, he's doing
it totally point, he's doing it because he's a coward,
because he's fearing for his safety exactly. And that's why
I was like, this is and I think that's I

(01:16:21):
think that's their underlying justification for doing something horrible to
so many different people in this moment of like trying
to treat homosexuality like it's this, I think they were
trying to be like, but look now we're using it
like how you women use it when you're not actually gay,
when it's like we don't if if which if women
are still doing that, please don't like that's not good,
like just like and I know like we do have to,

(01:16:45):
like our our safety is sometimes in in danger when
we reject certain types of unhinged men. But still a
common thing that people do I see it on the
internet all the time, like if you don't like the guy,
just tell him you're getting what. But it was a
thing that like I can't blame women who have done
it because I'm like ship, like men will kill you

(01:17:06):
if you need to escape, like to escape, right, but
it's not right. And I think that moment for me,
I looked at it and I was like, this is
and it's just totally played for a joke in every way, Like, man,
he really got away with that. And then he you
get the feeling he feels a little bit bad, but
never enough to apologize and never I mean, you know,
the second that interaction over, he's just going to go

(01:17:26):
to a different coffee shop and that's it. And he
doesn't have to apologize to her because he's gonna apologize
to the respectable woman that he cares about, so he
don't got to apologize as this other woman he completely
fucked over, like not a working class person who you
felt like a service. She's I want to be actress
who makes coffee, which means her life is worse. So
she's fucking silly and you don't need to respect her.

(01:17:48):
And she's I mean, it sounds like she was told
to like play it dumb, oh for sure, because can
be subtle. She is not here, No, it's frazzled and
anxious in these moments and showing up at his house.
So yeah, they tried to play her like I think
in the minds of men, the women that they toy with, like, oh,

(01:18:10):
this woman is just a dumb bimbo. It's okay if
I disrespect her because she doesn't respect herself, which is
it's not all of the side bars. Let me look through. Oh,
I just like, I mean, I feel like I'm missing
so much. I mean even just like the list of
the like women's products that they have to figure out

(01:18:32):
how to target two women which are also just it
reminds me of that scene in Elf, kind of where
it's like, oh, the girls want dolls and like make
up kids Indoda, and it's like everything that would be
considered a woman's product of stuff like anti wrinkle cream,
mescara lipstick like like stuff capitalist, feminist like and that's

(01:18:55):
never addressed in any way of like, yeah, we need
to sell these really expensive products to women because the
world has taken such a concerted effort to make them
seem like they need to look a certain way, blah
blah blah. That's just it also doesn't make any sense
because if we're even talking into like a heteronormative society
where we do force this kind of shot on women,
I'm pretty sure if they just know about great Lash,

(01:19:17):
like we know, we know where to get it Great Lash,
We're gonna go buy it. Like, I don't think you
have to target with They're the demographic right for that,
and lipstick and for pantyhose. Everything exactly been already buy.
Should you be trying to sell I don't know, like
a car engine the women or something that something hard
snario typically women aren't in the market for. Wouldn't that

(01:19:40):
be that would have been a child challenge? And the
way that like mel Gibson interacts with these products when
he's trying them on, like the thing that I was like,
like when he does the legwix and I just don't
need any more scenes of men. I thought of the
forty year old virgin. You're like, oh my god, actually
hard like they're just like obviously it hurts. But his

(01:20:04):
reaction to that is like why did these women do
this to themselves? And they're like, because you would have
nothing to do with them if they didn't, because you're
fucking nightmare. But he does. That's not It's just it's
like when like men make fun of women for taking
so long to get ready, and it's like, well, we
only do that because you've placed such unrealistic standards of

(01:20:25):
beauty on us. Shower, you wash the crack of your ass,
and I'm supposed to be excited, but I gotta go
in the room like a fucking demolition and the hair
out of my boticles and paint my face and dam
myself in the eye with maskra shit. What? And then
also the last thing in that box of women's products

(01:20:47):
was a visa card because women be shopping women, why
does she I should go to put that in? But
she's like, and also here's a visa card, just acause
you didn't know how it works. Yeah, the little women
use the visa card to buy Like, oh, no, one's
good at their jobs. No, they really are not. In

(01:21:09):
some people's jobs. I truly don't understand. He has two
secretaries with no thoughts, But he asked the woman with
a degree to get him his coffee, Like, don't you
have two the secretaries with the het what do you do?
Do you have? And they're like, we're going to the
forty fourth floor. What also, your office is biggest ship?
Like so bridge bigger? Could it get? It's Oh, and

(01:21:33):
don't forget the part where Sarah Paulson's boyfriend from Israel
gives Mel Gibson a yamica. Yes, I forgot about that.
He probably like took that off the set at the
end of the day of shooting and then like burned
it or something because it hates Jewish people. This is

(01:21:53):
this is still to this day the second highest grossing
rom com ever. You're kidding to this day these days,
that's why they remaking the ship. They're they're like, well
it worked. Yeah. The only thing that's oh, this isn't.
The only more successful round coom is My Big Fat
Greek Wedding. Oh that's fascinating. What next? Right between My

(01:22:17):
Big Fat Greek Wedding and Hitch was good. I got
to revisit Hitch. I loved it when it came out,
and I was thinking about the show obviously as I
was watching this, I had a two part of it.
I fell asleep last night. I had to just pose
it and then watched the list in the morning stas is,
I can't take it. My brain was like, no, stop

(01:22:37):
too much. I was helping me. Yeah, but I was
really trying to think of like did women talk to
each other? And that one girl did talk to herself,
but that doesn't count. That doesn't count. Yeah, you would
think with all the characters, can we see who were
women in this movie, they would interact more, But as
far as I could tell, I was shocked, they only

(01:22:59):
interact with male Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, they barely interact
with other men. From what I could tell. There's a
bunch of scenes at the very beginning of women talking
about Nick to other unnamed women who do not respond,
so by no means do any of those tests. We
see Lola talking to her female colleague in the coffee

(01:23:20):
shop about her auditioned but she, the other characters, is unnamed,
so that does not pass. Um Alex mel Gibson's daughter
in the movie, Um talks to her mom Gig. Mostly
they talk about either Cameron or mel Gibson, but there's
a tulne exchange where one says I'm going to miss
you and the other one says I'm gonna miss you too.

(01:23:40):
But she's only saying that they're gonna miss each other
because her mom is about to go on a heatero
honeymoon with a man, so on a bata we have
to um. And then Dina, that's the character who Um
is starting to pitch an idea to dark See about advil,

(01:24:01):
but their conversation only happens in the background and it's
immediately interrupted by Nick, who's like, wait a minute, I'm
a man and I have an idea, so it's my turn.
And then Um, Darcy's assistant who's played by Arden Marine
Um talks to Darcy a couple of times, but I
don't think that character is ever named. And then Alex

(01:24:21):
has a like a three line exchange with a few
of her friends about prom dresses, but the friends are
never named, so they're like, there's just a handful of
times where women do interact, but it's almost always about men,
or the other characters aren't named, or I don't know.
I think the daughter mother exchange, I can't this movie, no,
I would say, because especially yeah, I guess by our

(01:24:43):
rules that would technically pass. But also it's such that's
not a meaningful conversation, like it's we hardly see women
interacting and it what women want is male Gibson and
nothing else. No flawed premise. Flawed premise from the jump,

(01:25:04):
like the name of the movie, what a dirty ash trick?
Like you're like, what woman? What? Yes, I'm a woman?
Is this what I want? I wanted to dance to
phrase the national for five minutes. I want to watch him.
I want to watch oh man abs. I don't know,
o lord. The fact that we see milk Gibson's abs

(01:25:28):
is why so long? It was so long that I
counted them and noticed how much they were on the screen. Really,
I feel like when you started looking at a body
part and you know, like you're like, I'm looking at abbs,
It's like they lingered. And then also when he was
having sex with Marissa Tomay, her thoughts went straight to, wow,

(01:25:51):
he's got such a great body. I'm like, stop gaslighting me, stoping.
She does make fun of his tall penis, and by
tall mean oh gosh, well it doesn't pass the back time.
I don't think so either. Okay, um, well, I'm gonna
go ahead and give this zero nipples. I mean everything.

(01:26:14):
From the horrible way in which the romantic story plays out,
the idea that women only have thoughts that are about
traditionally female things, or they only have thoughts about mel Gibson,
just the way the Queerness istrays, the way queerness is portrayed,

(01:26:37):
the way the suicidality has handled, the way that just everything,
everything is mishandled in this movie. And it's like very
feeble attempts to make a feminist message feminist four to
the year two thousand are just do not land or
hold up in any sort of way today. And I
don't even know that they would have been that year either,

(01:26:59):
really afensive on everybody. It's just horribly done in every
single way. So it's another example of you know, media
that is you know, created and directed and co written
by women that really fucking misses the mark. But as
we have all admitted earlier in this episode, you know,
but we've were growing. We all as people are continuing

(01:27:23):
to wake up. So hopefully Nancy Myers is doing that also,
wake up. It's not too late to stop. It snows
join us. Um. So, yeah, this is a piece of
ship movie and it gets zero nipples. Yeah, I'm the same.
Zero nipples is just a fucking disaster on every level.

(01:27:44):
The fact that it was so popular. Is it just
means that, Yeah, we gotta keep we gotta keep questioning
stuff just because the movie says, Hey, this is what
you want. Don't don't. You don't have to be a
great You don't have to agree. It's okay, you don't
have to see the movie. Uh, you know, I God,

(01:28:04):
I the only thing I'm grateful for is this movie.
I mean, I guess it is being remade, but like
it doesn't seem to have much of a following or
a legacy anymore, especially for a movie that was this popular,
like it made more money than Pretty Woman. But there's
like movies like that, we'll still have a fan base.
And yeah, like it's not not everything about every rom

(01:28:27):
com that was successful in this era is completely abhorrent
the way this is zero yeah, zero, it's it's the worst.
And Mel gives it as ugly what a piece of ship. Zero. Anyway,
I'll give it um one cat nipple can't be a
human nipple because this movie is really inhumane. Um. I

(01:28:52):
remember this one from my childhood, and I remember, like,
I guess, oh, I don't even know how I enjoyed it,
but it was nine, so you know, Lacy I'm not
gonna I think the nostalgic nine year old me is like,
you can have like an animal nipple. You know. This
is why, because there's so many women that I love
in this movie. Um, they're not utilized at all, but

(01:29:16):
I do love seeing them. And I'm an actor, so
sometimes I look at stuff and I'm like, oh, girl,
but you got that chick though, So thanks Nancy for
getting a bunch of women paid at least a supporting role.
Sag rate Um, but unfortunately this movie can have no
real lady nipples at all because it's so fucking abhorrent.
I didn't even realize and store we started breaking down

(01:29:38):
that Mersa Tomay gay scene, how disturbed it is on
so many different levels. It's just this is bad. Guys.
I don't want this, and I'm a woman, Yeah, I
don't want it. Please ask any woman today if this
is what they wanted. And I guess we should have
known because you called the movie what Women, but you

(01:30:00):
ain't call none of us beforehand, like hey, what do
you want? This is what you want? You just decided
this is what I wanted. I think the remakes should
also be called what Women Want, because this time it's
at least a woman who's the protagonist of the story,
and we will get a sense of what she wants.

(01:30:20):
But hearing is men's thoughts just seems like a hall
like like I think they tried to make this is
I think your boyfriend has onto something about this maybe
being male Gibson's hell and this. But it's not a
fair flip because hearing men's thoughts really would be my
own personal hall. I don't want to know what they
they can They're already doing too much with their face
and the has and the mouth and their actual words.

(01:30:40):
So men are allowed to say whatever they want, right,
so we know what they're thinking. Hey, Blue sweat a
nice ass? What else is back there? I don't want
to know. I don't write what they're saying is going
through a little bit of a filter, So like what
is what is not unfiltered? Yes, I don't want to know. Well,

(01:31:01):
we'll see. This was a trial. Yes, thank you for
joining us. Sorry that we keep making you watch these
upsetting movies two hours so long, but thank you so
much for being here. We love you dearly. Where can

(01:31:21):
people follow you online? What would you like to plug? Oh?
You can follow me at d I V A l
A C I DVA Lacey on all platforms, Twitter, Instagram,
vm oh send me your money. Other people know I
scam one up in my daily life. I'm known for it. Yes,

(01:31:43):
thank you blessing the people by scamming them. Um, I
so hope Bechtel tests. This is a show that it's
about four women. Um, that I am one of the
leads and called Florida Girls. And it'll be out in
April on Pop TV, also beaming on either Netflix or Hulu.
I'll have more fo by then. But it's about four

(01:32:04):
women and it's a comedy and we never talk about men.
We don't give a funk about them. And it's very
very fun. Yes, um. And I'll be on Single Parents
on ABC uh next month. Also yeah, um, not talking
about men either. Yeah yeh never talked about working. Yes.

(01:32:30):
And then if you're in l A, you see the theater. Um,
you can see me on Mama on mid night or
Leroy on Harold Nights. Awesome. Let's go to the show's Jamie.
Oh goodness. Um. We are on social media as well
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(01:33:13):
We'll see you next time. Bye bye,

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