July 18, 2018 • 34 mins
Housebound and suffering from mental collapse, Charlotte (Jennifer Bates) receives an encouraging message from an unlikely herald (Mary Kraft). Dr. Hayes (John Schmedes) requests Charlotte’s special assistance in a personal investigation into the circumstances of Karen’s crime.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The control group contains scenes of realistic violence and graphic sexuality.
It is intended for mature listeners. This episode specifically contains
depictions of sexual abuse that may act as a trigger.
Audience discretion is advised. If I am ever to get
better again, I must cooperate with doctor Hayes. I can
(00:26):
trust Doctor Hayes. In the field of psychiatric medicine. It
was an exciting time, a time of innovation and discovery
with doctor Hayes, a time when mental health institutions struggled
to redefine themselves, to become something more than repositories of
the sick. Unorthodox methods and aggressive therapies were not only permitted,
(00:50):
but encouraged. I can trust Dr Hayes. This is a
record of that time when I am absolutely this is
the controlled and only by fully cooperating with Dr Hayes,
can I ever hope to become well again. I have
no sceners. Yeah, morning, Dr Hayes. I'm wondering if you'd
(01:23):
be interested in signing this card along with everyone else.
It's been three days since Charlotte was transported back to
her home. Debbie, the patients and I thought it might
give Charlotte a little encouragement to send her a greeting card.
Absolutely not. I'm sorry. Remind her that she spent two
fruitless years on the ward. That's going to cheer her up.
(01:48):
It would be best if she just forgot she was
ever here and just started to live her old life again.
Don't you think, Oh, come on, not again, Charlotte, Charlotte,
(02:18):
come on, breath, You just you're just you're having another
You gotta snap out of it. Three weeks now? What? What? Enough? Yeah,
you're gonna talk today or you're just gonna do huh?
(02:38):
Say it? What? Why am Why can't why can't look
at me what I'm talking to you? Listen to me, Charlotte.
You gotta get out of this bed. You've got to
get out of the house. Go somewhere, do something. No, no,
(03:03):
I'm not sending you back to that madhouse. So that
lunatic doctor he fried your brain. Okay, he's made a
goddamn zombie out of you. And the scary thing is,
the really scary thing is that he's got you wanting
to go back for more. I'm not going to allow that.
(03:26):
You don't understand. The Central State Hospital at New Canaan
is the source of my health and my happiness. I
depend on Dr Hayes from my well, like living with
a broken phonograph. He sees things in me, Bird, that
(03:48):
no one else sees. He listens to me. Without his care,
I could not survive. You're never going back to that place, Charlotte. Never.
You're home. Now, you're my wife, I'm your husband. Things
were broken, but we're going to fix it. We're gonna
(04:08):
try again. Okay, No, no, I can't. I can't go
through that pain again. Bird, I can't. You can't. You
don't know. It was my child too. Remember, you seem
to forget that. It wasn't an it she was she
(04:35):
she had a name. I'm going to work, gonna be
late again. It's almost nine. I don't want to go out.
Don't go out. Stay locked up in this tomb if
you want to. But I'll be goddamn if I'm if.
(04:56):
I'm gonna let you back into that madhouse. Do you
hear me? Yeah, I hear you. You're so far away.
I'll see you this evening. It's it's almost nine. It's
(05:25):
almost nine, it's almost nine. Might at the Showcase Cinema.
I witness news at noon six and eleven weekdays on
(05:47):
w e A L t V Channel twelve. You know, ladies, now,
wife's just chock full of surprises, isn't it. We all
know the bad ones that den then your fender when
you come out of the supermarket. Hate that one, the
phone call from the principal's office because little Johnny has
broken a window. Now, when those things happen, it's important
(06:10):
to remind yourself of the other surprises, the good ones.
Flowers on your birthday from your sweetie, a postcard from
an old friend. Well, today we'll be talking about surprises,
and you know what, we may have a surprise or
two for you as well. This is Woman's World. It's
(06:35):
time for a Woman's World with Helen Puckley, brought to
you by Ultra Tlensing Cream. When clean enough isn't clean enough,
trust Ultra Clensing Cream to give your world the sparkle
it deserves Ultra Flensing Cream. And now here's our hostness,
(06:57):
Ms Helen Huckley. It's Thursday, and you know what that means.
It's time to open the mail bag here on Woman's
World and we're gonna see what's on the minds of
our viewers out there and who knows. Maybe today will
(07:18):
be the day that Charlotte gets a message from an
old friend, maybe an old flame, and suddenly the day
will look just a little bit brighter. Now, our first
letter here comes from uh Lena here in New Canaan,
and she writes as a housewife and mom. I've often
wondered why it is that today is the day Dr
(07:40):
Hayes is going to come for you, when some of
my friends secretarial jobs don't get that same satisfaction. What
about talking? It's kind of like that old anage about
walking a mile and another person's moccasins. If you wish
to become well, you you really must obey his every
(08:00):
instruction and comply with his every wish. Kids homesick from school,
or or making a second trip to the market right
before your husband's you might want to get dressed because
he will come for you today. And really, with ladies,
without his care, he simply could not survive. In fact,
before we went on the air today, my producer showed
(08:22):
me your phone was going to ring newspaper and it's amazing.
In five seconds, just about every person who interviews said
that three believed they would be happier to had more time,
more money won. But they ask you ladies like, h
let's let's just hold it for just a second. That
(08:44):
shouldn't quickly? Is someone going to answer that? Charlotte, M hmm.
Don't you think you should answer? What if? What if
it isn't him? Why don't you pick it up and
(09:07):
find out? Hello? Hello, Charlotte. Dr Hayes. Is it really you?
It really is? How have you been getting it along?
Not so good? That's so good. I was worried about that.
(09:28):
I mean Central State Hospital and Canan is the source
of my health and happiness. That's right, Charlotte. You're exactly right.
And I depend on you, Dr Hayes for my well
being as well. You should, you know, Charlotte. To remain well,
you must obey my ever reinstruction and comply with my
(09:51):
every wish. That's right. Without my care, Charlotte, you cannot survive.
I understand that. Now, Dr to Hayes, is it true?
Dr Hayes? My mother and what she said? What's that Charlotte?
Helen Huntley, Oh, Helen Huntley said something to you. Can
(10:16):
you believe it? What she said? That you're coming for me?
She was right? In fact, I was going to see
if you could be ready and take five minutes. How'd
that be? That would that would be wonderful. Dr Hayes, great,
(10:40):
it will be so good to see you again, Charlotte.
It'll be nice to see you again. To dry, I'm
sorry about about what happened when I was leaving, When
I was trying to leave. That matters now now who
you well? Was he a ten thirty then? And Charlotte,
(11:06):
under the circumstances, I think it'd be best if you
don't mention Mr Birke. We don't want to upset him. No,
of course, not our little secret. Yes, yes, anything you
said doors see it a bit. Goodbye, Dr Mao. The
(11:30):
rain stacked, the clouds part and a door opens just
for you. Sorry for the way you're holding for Marcus Stevenson. Hello, Hi,
(12:32):
Dr Stevenson. This is Videri Wilburn. You probably don't remember me,
but I was a student of yours class of forty nine.
Sorry I don't there was a d that's me, yes,
my maiden name. Sorry? Fine, fine, how are you Mrs Wilburn? Now? Yes,
I'm fine. Thank you for asking. I'm calling because I'm
(12:57):
hoping you can give me some information about something, sure
if I can. I'm award head nurse at the Central
State Hospital in New Canaan. Congratulations, I knew you'd landed
in a good spot. Thank you. And um, we've begun
to do some research with a group. May I speak candidly?
Dr Stevenson. Of course, I'll try to do the same.
(13:19):
Good Thank you. The group is the Society for the
Investigation of Human Ecology. I think they've also supported some
research work there. Are you familiar with it? Very familiar.
They've underwritten some of my research. What's the name of
the director there at New Canaan, Ryan Walter Hayes hay
(13:41):
don't know him, but he's in good company. The Human
Ecology program supports skitting June just Kinna. Even Margaret need
is on the pay roll. Okay, okay, okay, um just
m hmm. What's on your mind? Since we started working
(14:02):
with them? Okay, we've begun to focus less on long
term care and more on experimental therapies that, at least
in my view, are questionable ethically speaking. And you blame
the s I G Or do you blame the head
of your department? I don't know where it's coming from.
(14:23):
I don't know what to do about it. If you
feel a patient's life or mental well being or in danger,
hang up, phone them and request an inquiry. Is that
the case, No, not exactly tell me. Then we no
longer seem to be concerned with improving our patient's quality
of life. All of a sudden, we're using them as
(14:45):
guinea pigs. I understand now, you do. Absolutely. The route
of the problem is not what the doctor is doing
or the society is doing. It's how you're looking at him.
I'm the problem in a sense. You're the ward nurse,
head nurse. Yes, caretaker, you use that word yourself. I
(15:06):
did I care for my patients. There's no shame in that.
Never said there was. But that's not research. Look, I'm
not trying to condescend, but just listen for a moment
and try to understand. There are two ways, basically to
approach research and experimentation. One, you have a goal, a target,
(15:31):
and you're trying to find the best means of achieving it. Yes,
when you medicate a patient or perform some other therapy,
it is to achieve a specific aim. Yes, that's right.
The other method is to explore something, find out what
its properties are. Its effects, its potential, it's dangers, and
(15:54):
once you really understand it, then you decide how it
can be applied. But you can't minister a treatment for
a specific goal until you fully understand it. Are you
with me so far? Yes? This is what the society is.
This is what they encourage. Summer Hill always said, have
(16:14):
you met Mr summer Hill yet? Yes? I used to
say this was like taking the tiger out of its cage,
taking off its leash, letting it run around, see if
it can be trained. Excuse me, sorry, but when you
say the tiger, what are you referring to? What? You're
(16:37):
still looking at this through people expand your vision. The
tiger is the thing whose potential you want to understand
so you can figure out how to use it to
your advantage. Got it? No, you don't. I can tell
you don't explain it to me. The tiger can be
(17:00):
many things. Everything is a potential tiger. Right now, my
primary focus is lysurgic acid diathylamide. To me, that's the tiger.
For me to understand its properties, I have to study
its effects on a broad sampling of people in various doses,
under various conditions. What will it be good for I
(17:22):
don't know yet, but eventually its usefulness will become apparent
in someone else's study. The tiger might be anthrax or botulism.
Now here's what you need to know to reorient your thinking.
To the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology. I'm
a tiger. They provide me with the resources and freedom
(17:44):
to study what I want. They don't require me to
hand over specific results that would be shortsighted science through
a people. They were to let me off the lease
to see what I'm capable of. Everyone everything is a
potential tiger. What the s i h E does is organized, cultivate,
(18:07):
collect data, analyze the data, connect the strands that might
emerge between all the different subprojects they're supporting, and determine
how this knowledge can be most effectively applied. Dr Stevenson,
who is the s I I just told you, No,
you didn't. Who are they? You know the question? I'm
(18:31):
asking doctor? If you know the question? The new must
suspect an answer. I want to hear you say it.
I want to know. The Society for the Investigation of
Human Ecology is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the advancement
of psychiatric study through the financial and logistical support of
(18:52):
independent research. I began working with him way back when
they were the Sick Fund. They liked what we were doing,
and we're always strong orders. So when the s i
h e. Was established, we came to them highly recommended.
They don't steer my research. They provide forty dollars a
year and financial assistance to my department. That's really are
(19:12):
I need to know about the society. We have a
sort of gentleman's agreement that I don't inquire into their
other areas of operation, and they allow me to pursue
the work I want to pursue wherever that path may lead.
And I'm afraid that's all the time I'm willing to
share with you. Hold, please, if I could just ask
you one you were always a bright woman, verdery, what happened?
(19:38):
Excuse me? You seriously mean you haven't figured this out already?
Or do you just not want to know? M hm?
(20:02):
And this looks good right here? Charlotte, All right, this
is Charlotte that this is a motel? Dry? Yes, what
(20:24):
why are you bringing? Bringing me to a motel? Don't
get the wrong idea, Charlotte. There's a reason for this
for our session to occur here in this place. I
don't understand. No, you don't understand, and you won't understand
until you come inside, until we begin the session. You've
(20:48):
always expressed an interest in aiding my research, have you not?
I have that moment is now. There's nothing worse than
a doctor who thinks him knows everything. He was happy
to rest on his accomplishments. But you know I'm not
that kind of doctor, don't you, Charlotte. I've always admired
(21:10):
you for that. I don't know everything. I'm always searching
for answers, a better understanding of the human mind. In
order to do that, I have to be adventurous. When
a man of science discovers a threshold to understanding, he
(21:33):
has an obligation to step through it. However strange you're
intimidating it may seem. Does that makes sense? Absolutely? And
there's something I've been curious about, and I think the
only place I can gain that knowledge is up there
(21:57):
in that room. Which true? Are you gonna help me, Charlotte?
Or am I going to drive you back to Bert's house?
You know I'll help you. You know I'll do anything.
It's funny all these months, I've just been waiting for
you to trust me enough. I just need to get
(22:21):
my cases from the back. Hello, uh, I help you.
I'd like to see a room, alrighty double the queen? Um.
(22:44):
Would it be possible to look at a particular room?
How do you mean look at? I'd like to rent
a room for the night, but i'd like to I'd
like to get a specific room if that's possible, Room
five twelve? Is that available? Room five? It's a single
(23:07):
for the same price. I could give you a double,
it's fine. How much that eight fifty? Cash? Or charge? Cash?
Care to sign in? Uh m hm, any name of dude.
But I need something, of course, not at twenty dollar fifty?
(23:31):
Is your change? Thanks? Check out as noon. If you
end up staying that long? Mm hmm. Can I help
you with your bags? And that won't be necessary? Thank you?
Can I carry one of those free phone? I got it?
Just push the button? So this is it? Not the
(24:18):
way I would have decorated, but Charlotte, yes, First off,
I'm going to give you something to help you relax.
Give me your your left arm. Fine, okay, little prick,
(24:43):
there we go. I feel all right? Yes, good now,
take this valise. I want you to go into the
bathroom and put these things on. Okay, everything you find
in the bag I want you to wear, and I
(25:03):
don't want you to come out until I tell you
all right, all right, I'll just need a minute to
set up anything you say, Drys m h h. Hi,
(25:47):
this is ken you said I should call if anyone
ever and a man and a woman asked for room
five twelve, yes specifically, M No, No they didn't. He's
signing under the name Asa Kimball. No, no idea, not
(26:14):
five minutes ago. Yes, sir, we'll do all right in there, Charlotte. Yes,
(26:42):
come closer to the door. I want to tell you
what to do. I'm here. Good. Are you wearing clothes?
I am? How do they make you feel? Sholotte? M M,
I don't know. These aren't my clothes. And you would
(27:08):
never wear clothes like these, would you? No? You know
who would wear clothes like these, Charlotte. A prostitute would
wear clothes like these. These are these are clothes for
a whore, Charlotte. You know who wear clothes like these?
Karen does Karen Myers? Remember Karen? Yes? Good? Good, Because
(27:36):
when you open the door and come out here. I
want you to be Karen Myers. You don't want me
to be Karen, that's all right. I want you to
just look like her or act like her. I want
you to be Karen. Be Karen, that's it, yeah, and
(28:01):
not need correct. I want you to step out here,
and I want you to be Karen Myers. Why do
you want me to be caring? Because that's what I
want and because it's what I'm telling you to do.
(28:22):
And that's all the reason there needs to be, Charlotte.
To remain well, you must obey my every instruction. You
must comply with my every wish without my care. You
don't have to do that, doctors. If you'd rather be
(28:43):
Karen and not myself, if that's what you want it,
I'll do it all right. Then here we go. If
I am ever to get better again, I must come up. Please, Charlotte,
(29:07):
I can trust. Is this what do you want to do? Absolutely? Yes?
Step into the white Let me see you. Doctor. You
look wonderful, Karen, exactly as I imagine you, cheap toddaries sexy.
(29:30):
This is how you look that night when you brought
Ronald Grant into this room. If I ever tell me, Karen,
did you undress for him? Or did he address you
on absolutely healthy? Undress me? I'll show you're right. What
(29:51):
did he pay? Ten dollars? Twenty dollars? Twenty dollars? Here
you go, Garrett, great, Well that buy me what I want? Yes? No, Charlotte,
what is it you're wearing your wedding rings? I'm sorry,
I didn't even think I take them off. They're my
(30:13):
wedding rings. Karen doesn't have wedding rings. You shouldn't have them.
Take them off when I'm absolutely healthy? What should I
do with that? But them on the night stands? Better? Now?
I have hold still? How does that feel, Karen? To
(30:43):
get better? This is what Ronald Grant felt like? I
can trust dr that night? Was Ronald Grant the kind
of man that needed encouragement? Karen? How did he take
control of you? Karen? I can trust drs only when
(31:06):
I absolutely I don't want to do I'm showing you
just let me do this the way I want to
do it, and don't ask questions. I know exactly what
I want. You put the money on the dresses. Then
(31:29):
that I loved you to temporary ownership, Ronnie, you belong
to me, Karen mothers, that's right, and I can do
whatever I want with you without any moral or ethical obstruction. Professor,
(31:53):
you really know how to talk to a one command
and control. Karen. That's what I want? What heavenly man?
What underneath it all? Hello? Ken? They still upstairs? Yes, sir?
(32:33):
All h Are they many calls? Outside? Calls or front desk? Nothing?
They're quiet, all right. If anyone up there tries to
make a call, don't let it out. If you hear
any unusual noise in the next ten minutes or so,
just ignore it. You never saw me come in here today, okay,
(32:56):
never saw you before in my life. What do you? Yeah?
What are you going to do there in my room?
It's only fitting that I go on up and introduce myself.
No trouble please. M The Control Group is a production
(33:31):
of How Stuff Works, written and directed by Brett Wood,
recorded and mixed by Rob gal m m hmmm two
The control group contains scenes of realistic violence and graphic sexuality.
It is intended for mature listeners. This episode specifically contains
depictions of sexual abuse that may act as a trigger.
Audience discretion is advised. If I am ever to get
better again, I must cooperate with doctor Hayes. I can
(00:26):
trust Doctor Hayes. In the field of psychiatric medicine. It
was an exciting time, a time of innovation and discovery
with doctor Hayes, a time when mental health institutions struggled
to redefine themselves, to become something more than repositories of
the sick. Unorthodox methods and aggressive therapies were not only permitted,
(00:50):
but encouraged. I can trust Dr Hayes. This is a
record of that time when I am absolutely this is
the controlled and only by fully cooperating with Dr Hayes,
can I ever hope to become well again. I have
no sceners. Yeah, morning, Dr Hayes. I'm wondering if you'd
(01:23):
be interested in signing this card along with everyone else.
It's been three days since Charlotte was transported back to
her home. Debbie, the patients and I thought it might
give Charlotte a little encouragement to send her a greeting card.
Absolutely not. I'm sorry. Remind her that she spent two
fruitless years on the ward. That's going to cheer her up.
(01:48):
It would be best if she just forgot she was
ever here and just started to live her old life again.
Don't you think, Oh, come on, not again, Charlotte, Charlotte,
(02:18):
come on, breath, You just you're just you're having another
You gotta snap out of it. Three weeks now? What? What? Enough? Yeah,
you're gonna talk today or you're just gonna do huh?
(02:38):
Say it? What? Why am Why can't why can't look
at me what I'm talking to you? Listen to me, Charlotte.
You gotta get out of this bed. You've got to
get out of the house. Go somewhere, do something. No, no,
(03:03):
I'm not sending you back to that madhouse. So that
lunatic doctor he fried your brain. Okay, he's made a
goddamn zombie out of you. And the scary thing is,
the really scary thing is that he's got you wanting
to go back for more. I'm not going to allow that.
(03:26):
You don't understand. The Central State Hospital at New Canaan
is the source of my health and my happiness. I
depend on Dr Hayes from my well, like living with
a broken phonograph. He sees things in me, Bird, that
(03:48):
no one else sees. He listens to me. Without his care,
I could not survive. You're never going back to that place, Charlotte. Never.
You're home. Now, you're my wife, I'm your husband. Things
were broken, but we're going to fix it. We're gonna
(04:08):
try again. Okay, No, no, I can't. I can't go
through that pain again. Bird, I can't. You can't. You
don't know. It was my child too. Remember, you seem
to forget that. It wasn't an it she was she
(04:35):
she had a name. I'm going to work, gonna be
late again. It's almost nine. I don't want to go out.
Don't go out. Stay locked up in this tomb if
you want to. But I'll be goddamn if I'm if.
(04:56):
I'm gonna let you back into that madhouse. Do you
hear me? Yeah, I hear you. You're so far away.
I'll see you this evening. It's it's almost nine. It's
(05:25):
almost nine, it's almost nine. Might at the Showcase Cinema.
I witness news at noon six and eleven weekdays on
(05:47):
w e A L t V Channel twelve. You know, ladies, now,
wife's just chock full of surprises, isn't it. We all
know the bad ones that den then your fender when
you come out of the supermarket. Hate that one, the
phone call from the principal's office because little Johnny has
broken a window. Now, when those things happen, it's important
(06:10):
to remind yourself of the other surprises, the good ones.
Flowers on your birthday from your sweetie, a postcard from
an old friend. Well, today we'll be talking about surprises,
and you know what, we may have a surprise or
two for you as well. This is Woman's World. It's
(06:35):
time for a Woman's World with Helen Puckley, brought to
you by Ultra Tlensing Cream. When clean enough isn't clean enough,
trust Ultra Clensing Cream to give your world the sparkle
it deserves Ultra Flensing Cream. And now here's our hostness,
(06:57):
Ms Helen Huckley. It's Thursday, and you know what that means.
It's time to open the mail bag here on Woman's
World and we're gonna see what's on the minds of
our viewers out there and who knows. Maybe today will
(07:18):
be the day that Charlotte gets a message from an
old friend, maybe an old flame, and suddenly the day
will look just a little bit brighter. Now, our first
letter here comes from uh Lena here in New Canaan,
and she writes as a housewife and mom. I've often
wondered why it is that today is the day Dr
(07:40):
Hayes is going to come for you, when some of
my friends secretarial jobs don't get that same satisfaction. What
about talking? It's kind of like that old anage about
walking a mile and another person's moccasins. If you wish
to become well, you you really must obey his every
(08:00):
instruction and comply with his every wish. Kids homesick from school,
or or making a second trip to the market right
before your husband's you might want to get dressed because
he will come for you today. And really, with ladies,
without his care, he simply could not survive. In fact,
before we went on the air today, my producer showed
(08:22):
me your phone was going to ring newspaper and it's amazing.
In five seconds, just about every person who interviews said
that three believed they would be happier to had more time,
more money won. But they ask you ladies like, h
let's let's just hold it for just a second. That
(08:44):
shouldn't quickly? Is someone going to answer that? Charlotte, M hmm.
Don't you think you should answer? What if? What if
it isn't him? Why don't you pick it up and
(09:07):
find out? Hello? Hello, Charlotte. Dr Hayes. Is it really you?
It really is? How have you been getting it along?
Not so good? That's so good. I was worried about that.
(09:28):
I mean Central State Hospital and Canan is the source
of my health and happiness. That's right, Charlotte. You're exactly right.
And I depend on you, Dr Hayes for my well
being as well. You should, you know, Charlotte. To remain well,
you must obey my ever reinstruction and comply with my
(09:51):
every wish. That's right. Without my care, Charlotte, you cannot survive.
I understand that. Now, Dr to Hayes, is it true?
Dr Hayes? My mother and what she said? What's that Charlotte?
Helen Huntley, Oh, Helen Huntley said something to you. Can
(10:16):
you believe it? What she said? That you're coming for me?
She was right? In fact, I was going to see
if you could be ready and take five minutes. How'd
that be? That would that would be wonderful. Dr Hayes, great,
(10:40):
it will be so good to see you again, Charlotte.
It'll be nice to see you again. To dry, I'm
sorry about about what happened when I was leaving, When
I was trying to leave. That matters now now who
you well? Was he a ten thirty then? And Charlotte,
(11:06):
under the circumstances, I think it'd be best if you
don't mention Mr Birke. We don't want to upset him. No,
of course, not our little secret. Yes, yes, anything you
said doors see it a bit. Goodbye, Dr Mao. The
(11:30):
rain stacked, the clouds part and a door opens just
for you. Sorry for the way you're holding for Marcus Stevenson. Hello, Hi,
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Dr Stevenson. This is Videri Wilburn. You probably don't remember me,
but I was a student of yours class of forty nine.
Sorry I don't there was a d that's me, yes,
my maiden name. Sorry? Fine, fine, how are you Mrs Wilburn? Now? Yes,
I'm fine. Thank you for asking. I'm calling because I'm
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hoping you can give me some information about something, sure
if I can. I'm award head nurse at the Central
State Hospital in New Canaan. Congratulations, I knew you'd landed
in a good spot. Thank you. And um, we've begun
to do some research with a group. May I speak candidly?
Dr Stevenson. Of course, I'll try to do the same.
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Good Thank you. The group is the Society for the
Investigation of Human Ecology. I think they've also supported some
research work there. Are you familiar with it? Very familiar.
They've underwritten some of my research. What's the name of
the director there at New Canaan, Ryan Walter Hayes hay
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don't know him, but he's in good company. The Human
Ecology program supports skitting June just Kinna. Even Margaret need
is on the pay roll. Okay, okay, okay, um just
m hmm. What's on your mind? Since we started working
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with them? Okay, we've begun to focus less on long
term care and more on experimental therapies that, at least
in my view, are questionable ethically speaking. And you blame
the s I G Or do you blame the head
of your department? I don't know where it's coming from.
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I don't know what to do about it. If you
feel a patient's life or mental well being or in danger,
hang up, phone them and request an inquiry. Is that
the case, No, not exactly tell me. Then we no
longer seem to be concerned with improving our patient's quality
of life. All of a sudden, we're using them as
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guinea pigs. I understand now, you do. Absolutely. The route
of the problem is not what the doctor is doing
or the society is doing. It's how you're looking at him.
I'm the problem in a sense. You're the ward nurse,
head nurse. Yes, caretaker, you use that word yourself. I
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did I care for my patients. There's no shame in that.
Never said there was. But that's not research. Look, I'm
not trying to condescend, but just listen for a moment
and try to understand. There are two ways, basically to
approach research and experimentation. One, you have a goal, a target,
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and you're trying to find the best means of achieving it. Yes,
when you medicate a patient or perform some other therapy,
it is to achieve a specific aim. Yes, that's right.
The other method is to explore something, find out what
its properties are. Its effects, its potential, it's dangers, and
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once you really understand it, then you decide how it
can be applied. But you can't minister a treatment for
a specific goal until you fully understand it. Are you
with me so far? Yes? This is what the society is.
This is what they encourage. Summer Hill always said, have
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you met Mr summer Hill yet? Yes? I used to
say this was like taking the tiger out of its cage,
taking off its leash, letting it run around, see if
it can be trained. Excuse me, sorry, but when you
say the tiger, what are you referring to? What? You're
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still looking at this through people expand your vision. The
tiger is the thing whose potential you want to understand
so you can figure out how to use it to
your advantage. Got it? No, you don't. I can tell
you don't explain it to me. The tiger can be
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many things. Everything is a potential tiger. Right now, my
primary focus is lysurgic acid diathylamide. To me, that's the tiger.
For me to understand its properties, I have to study
its effects on a broad sampling of people in various doses,
under various conditions. What will it be good for I
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don't know yet, but eventually its usefulness will become apparent
in someone else's study. The tiger might be anthrax or botulism.
Now here's what you need to know to reorient your thinking.
To the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology. I'm
a tiger. They provide me with the resources and freedom
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to study what I want. They don't require me to
hand over specific results that would be shortsighted science through
a people. They were to let me off the lease
to see what I'm capable of. Everyone everything is a
potential tiger. What the s i h E does is organized, cultivate,
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collect data, analyze the data, connect the strands that might
emerge between all the different subprojects they're supporting, and determine
how this knowledge can be most effectively applied. Dr Stevenson,
who is the s I I just told you, No,
you didn't. Who are they? You know the question? I'm
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asking doctor? If you know the question? The new must
suspect an answer. I want to hear you say it.
I want to know. The Society for the Investigation of
Human Ecology is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the advancement
of psychiatric study through the financial and logistical support of
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independent research. I began working with him way back when
they were the Sick Fund. They liked what we were doing,
and we're always strong orders. So when the s i
h e. Was established, we came to them highly recommended.
They don't steer my research. They provide forty dollars a
year and financial assistance to my department. That's really are
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I need to know about the society. We have a
sort of gentleman's agreement that I don't inquire into their
other areas of operation, and they allow me to pursue
the work I want to pursue wherever that path may lead.
And I'm afraid that's all the time I'm willing to
share with you. Hold, please, if I could just ask
you one you were always a bright woman, verdery, what happened?
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Excuse me? You seriously mean you haven't figured this out already?
Or do you just not want to know? M hm?
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And this looks good right here? Charlotte, All right, this
is Charlotte that this is a motel? Dry? Yes, what
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why are you bringing? Bringing me to a motel? Don't
get the wrong idea, Charlotte. There's a reason for this
for our session to occur here in this place. I
don't understand. No, you don't understand, and you won't understand
until you come inside, until we begin the session. You've
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always expressed an interest in aiding my research, have you not?
I have that moment is now. There's nothing worse than
a doctor who thinks him knows everything. He was happy
to rest on his accomplishments. But you know I'm not
that kind of doctor, don't you, Charlotte. I've always admired
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you for that. I don't know everything. I'm always searching
for answers, a better understanding of the human mind. In
order to do that, I have to be adventurous. When
a man of science discovers a threshold to understanding, he
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has an obligation to step through it. However strange you're
intimidating it may seem. Does that makes sense? Absolutely? And
there's something I've been curious about, and I think the
only place I can gain that knowledge is up there
(21:57):
in that room. Which true? Are you gonna help me, Charlotte?
Or am I going to drive you back to Bert's house?
You know I'll help you. You know I'll do anything.
It's funny all these months, I've just been waiting for
you to trust me enough. I just need to get
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my cases from the back. Hello, uh, I help you.
I'd like to see a room, alrighty double the queen? Um.
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Would it be possible to look at a particular room?
How do you mean look at? I'd like to rent
a room for the night, but i'd like to I'd
like to get a specific room if that's possible, Room
five twelve? Is that available? Room five? It's a single
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for the same price. I could give you a double,
it's fine. How much that eight fifty? Cash? Or charge? Cash?
Care to sign in? Uh m hm, any name of dude.
But I need something, of course, not at twenty dollar fifty?
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Is your change? Thanks? Check out as noon. If you
end up staying that long? Mm hmm. Can I help
you with your bags? And that won't be necessary? Thank you?
Can I carry one of those free phone? I got it?
Just push the button? So this is it? Not the
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way I would have decorated, but Charlotte, yes, First off,
I'm going to give you something to help you relax.
Give me your your left arm. Fine, okay, little prick,
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there we go. I feel all right? Yes, good now,
take this valise. I want you to go into the
bathroom and put these things on. Okay, everything you find
in the bag I want you to wear, and I
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don't want you to come out until I tell you
all right, all right, I'll just need a minute to
set up anything you say, Drys m h h. Hi,
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this is ken you said I should call if anyone
ever and a man and a woman asked for room
five twelve, yes specifically, M No, No they didn't. He's
signing under the name Asa Kimball. No, no idea, not
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five minutes ago. Yes, sir, we'll do all right in there, Charlotte. Yes,
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come closer to the door. I want to tell you
what to do. I'm here. Good. Are you wearing clothes?
I am? How do they make you feel? Sholotte? M M,
I don't know. These aren't my clothes. And you would
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never wear clothes like these, would you? No? You know
who would wear clothes like these, Charlotte. A prostitute would
wear clothes like these. These are these are clothes for
a whore, Charlotte. You know who wear clothes like these?
Karen does Karen Myers? Remember Karen? Yes? Good? Good, Because
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when you open the door and come out here. I
want you to be Karen Myers. You don't want me
to be Karen, that's all right. I want you to
just look like her or act like her. I want
you to be Karen. Be Karen, that's it, yeah, and
(28:01):
not need correct. I want you to step out here,
and I want you to be Karen Myers. Why do
you want me to be caring? Because that's what I
want and because it's what I'm telling you to do.
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And that's all the reason there needs to be, Charlotte.
To remain well, you must obey my every instruction. You
must comply with my every wish without my care. You
don't have to do that, doctors. If you'd rather be
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Karen and not myself, if that's what you want it,
I'll do it all right. Then here we go. If
I am ever to get better again, I must come up. Please, Charlotte,
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I can trust. Is this what do you want to do? Absolutely? Yes?
Step into the white Let me see you. Doctor. You
look wonderful, Karen, exactly as I imagine you, cheap toddaries sexy.
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This is how you look that night when you brought
Ronald Grant into this room. If I ever tell me, Karen,
did you undress for him? Or did he address you
on absolutely healthy? Undress me? I'll show you're right. What
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did he pay? Ten dollars? Twenty dollars? Twenty dollars? Here
you go, Garrett, great, Well that buy me what I want? Yes? No, Charlotte,
what is it you're wearing your wedding rings? I'm sorry,
I didn't even think I take them off. They're my
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wedding rings. Karen doesn't have wedding rings. You shouldn't have them.
Take them off when I'm absolutely healthy? What should I
do with that? But them on the night stands? Better? Now?
I have hold still? How does that feel, Karen? To
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get better? This is what Ronald Grant felt like? I
can trust dr that night? Was Ronald Grant the kind
of man that needed encouragement? Karen? How did he take
control of you? Karen? I can trust drs only when
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I absolutely I don't want to do I'm showing you
just let me do this the way I want to
do it, and don't ask questions. I know exactly what
I want. You put the money on the dresses. Then
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that I loved you to temporary ownership, Ronnie, you belong
to me, Karen mothers, that's right, and I can do
whatever I want with you without any moral or ethical obstruction. Professor,
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you really know how to talk to a one command
and control. Karen. That's what I want? What heavenly man?
What underneath it all? Hello? Ken? They still upstairs? Yes, sir?
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All h Are they many calls? Outside? Calls or front desk? Nothing?
They're quiet, all right. If anyone up there tries to
make a call, don't let it out. If you hear
any unusual noise in the next ten minutes or so,
just ignore it. You never saw me come in here today, okay,
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never saw you before in my life. What do you? Yeah?
What are you going to do there in my room?
It's only fitting that I go on up and introduce myself.
No trouble please. M The Control Group is a production
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