3rd Degree Racism, Big Ally Energy 6.26.20

In episode 660, Jack and Miles are joined by Inside Voices and Good Christian Fun podcast co-host Kevin T. Porter to discuss Wilmington police being fired over racist comments, third degree racism, racist hiring practices, a cop lying about a tampon in his coffee, Jenny Slate and Kirsten hell leaving roles where the voiced black characters, the Netflix top ten, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Fired Wilmington cop: “We are just going to go out and start slaughtering them f—— ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.” [Free read]
2. Black woman attacked by men wielding lighter fluid, racial slurs
3. The Difference Between First-Degree Racism and Third-Degree Racism
4. Sports Media Giant Bill Simmons Finds Himself Playing Defense
5. An off-duty cop says a tampon was put in his Target Starbucks Frappuccino. Target denies it.
6. Jenny Slate and Kristen Bell Leave Voice Roles as Black Characters
7. An Unexpected Movie Finally Dethroned ‘365 Days’ From The #1 Spot On Netflix
8. WATCH: Nice Guys: Dumbo Gets Mad - Makes You Fly (Lyric Video)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one, thirty nine,
episode five of J Daly's Like Guys to production of
I Heart Radio. This is the podcast where we take
a deep dive into America's share consciousness and say, officially,
off the top, fuck the Koch Brothers, fuck Fox News,
fuck Rush Limbaugh, fuck fuck Section, fuck Sean Hannity, fuck

(00:21):
j K. Rowling. And now that we've got that out
of the way, it's Friday, June twenty. My name is
Jack O'Brien a k A Jack o' thigh in uh,
and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
co host, Mr Miles Crag Dennis surface Bap bapap. But

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So there was a lot of controversy with this a

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k A. Chrispy Meme Doughnut a Christie Yamagucci man who
submits to many a k s put this and said
to the tune of I'm a believer by smashed mouth. Now,
many people hopped in the replies and called out this
monkeys erasure um and I understand. I I totally get that.
A shout out to everybody who came to the defense

(01:25):
of the monkeys. But yes, I had to honor the mouth,
the smack mouch smash mouth version there was mouch. Well,
we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
by the hilarious and talented Kevin T. Porter. Hello, I'm here.
We're doing it. It's it's all good and the world
is getting better and better every day, isn't it every day?

(01:50):
It depends on how you look at it. There's you
can always find good. You can always find good, and
you can always you can you know, there's there's always
little you know, it's John chris Zensky has taught us recently,
there's always some good news. Like we always need a
little smile and we can find that every day if
we look hard enough. Do we know the origin story

(02:10):
of it yet? Like, aside from the press release boiler
plate version of like you know, he just felt like
it was the world really could use some good news
right now, and that's why we're calling it that. But
like do you. I feel like it was the most
cynical thing where it's like, Okay, you know what would
fucking kill right now is if we do some jankie

(02:31):
from my Kitchen show where it looks like a dad
telling you about the good of the world, They're gonna
eat that ship up and then we'll fucking sell off
the I P BA. You know how Krazinski do No.
I believe if if someone were to write an oral
history of s GN, it would be h thirty words
long and it would be John Krazinski's agent saying I

(02:51):
thought it would be a good play and we could
probably sell the I p and that would be the
That would be the oral history. Also with John Unfortunately,
and I hate to you know, Listen has has called
out on cancel culture gone too far. It's a question
we ask ourselves every day every But with John, he
is not he's he's not that. That's the whole image

(03:13):
of that stuff. I have friends at work post on
a quiet place. He yelled at editors, he threw stuff.
He's mean, he's not He's not a dad that wants
to throw a prom for teenagers. He's just like he's
just in the middle. Hollywood jerk. Yes, unfortunately, we may
be looking at an Ellen situation, folks, where things are

(03:35):
not as they appear. Oh that was my favorite. I
remember like looking fifteen years ago, no, maybe twelve years ago,
to be fair. It was the first time I had
heard someone who had survived that show, and it was like, no, man,
you gotta no no. And like, I remember my someone
I went to high school with dated the former DJ,

(03:56):
like one of the guys who was one of the
DJ and yes, that dude is Oh my god, dude,
he's like notes, it's it is. And you had a
very popular Twitter thread where you were just like, hey,
I'm board, why don't people share with me something that
was horror stories that was like like two or three

(04:19):
weeks into Quarantine and that felt like, well, this could
be my king Lear dethroning and defunding Ellen the Ellen Show.
And yeah, I was I was happy with I was
happy with the validation of that. What was the wildest
story that you got in your in reply to that call? Well,

(04:40):
they turned into like it got pretty jokey, like the
bigger guy and people were like she threw water on
my baby, or is like stuff that obviously didn't happen,
but the the the nail polished thing in which the
waitress to whom that actually did happen, logged on and
was replying and she's she's a comedian herself, where Ellen
went out to a restaurant and then because this waitresses

(05:02):
nail polish was chips, she called the restaurant the next
day to try to get the employee fired from the job.
That was probably one of the most egregious ones, I
would say. And then they were like playing more in
d M s of like people saying my wife used
to work on the show, and here's what she says, like, well,
I can't do anything with it, Like, I'm happy to
hear your confession, but it's not gonna I don't know

(05:25):
how productive it'll be. We're transmitting from the air ducts
in the studio exactly. We were actually talking on yesterday's
episode about Tina Fey and I noticed that you were
kind of responding to her attempting to get thirty Rock
out of jail, saying that you thought this had more

(05:46):
to do with you know, her reputation management than it
did any sort of sensitivity. Yeah, I mean especially and
and this is like unfortunately like a weird trend now
of late night comedy people apologizing for their use of
black face from the last twenty or so years or
sometimes like the last ten and then which begets a

(06:08):
wave of white people realizing that maybe it's kind of
weird if they voice black people and animated shows. But
I think I think in all those cases it's like, Okay,
there's definitely like corporate interests in play, and maybe there
is like legitimate change the heart whatever, you don't. You
never know what a person is going through with Tina Face,
specifically her her history on late race as it stands

(06:31):
currently would um I think beg to differ as far
as like her current statements go, Like there is definitely
a cognitive dissonance with that. And even like a episode
of Kimmy Schmidt from a couple of years ago, which
was meant to lambast anyone who would ever criticize someone
making art for being racially insensitive, in which Asian American

(06:55):
protesters vanish into smoke by being offended too much, that
doesn't strike me as the same woman that would say,
you know, I really care about kids not seeing black face,
and it would just really hurt my heart. If if
they were a fitted boy that there's the one that says,
I'm not in the apologeny business. I'm opting out of that.
So my thing with her is like, that's fine, continue
opting out of it. Like I don't need you to

(07:17):
be my my progressive savior. I don't want Seinfeld to
go back into Seinfeld and c G I black girlfriends
where there were none. Just be like old and problematic.
But don't pretend like that you weren't doing that. Yes,
you just be like, yeah that look, honestly, I'm off
that ship. And that sucks. But that's that's the record
of my evolution, I guess is there. I don't is

(07:40):
my favorite example, because he confused his like you know,
getting so rich that he wasn't funny anymore and like
couldn't relate to human beings anymore with being rejected by
progressive culture. Uh, and it was just like extra embarrassing. Yeah,
there's just a certain tax bracket after which you're range
just stops evolving. It would appear and like, and I'm

(08:04):
sure there are people where it's like they make valuant
efforts to do something different. But if it feels like
there is like an intersection of like this age and
this much money, and it's just like farewell, like we'll
try again with the next generation, like up the last
grip of the balloon. Yep, there it goes all right,
never mind. But with the streaming stuff. The streaming stuff

(08:26):
bugs me though, because it's like, all right, well, now,
no one will ever need to hold Tina Fe to
account for all that stuff, because it'll just like ten
years from now when someone is actually watching thirty Rock
for the first time, they'll just like never know about
it and she gets to get out Joe free card
for that, and I'll look like a creep, like I'm
at a coffee shop, like a Tina Fee truth them,

(08:46):
like just so you know, I got the DVDs at
Dirty Rock. Yeah, if you if you download the torrents,
you can see up to be truly just like stand
by it. It's it's more painful that goes for you
to Zach Braf stand by your black face on scrubs
because they just pulled those as well, Oh did they? Yeah,

(09:09):
he didn't even know. He didn't I was okay, I
didn't even know he did black face on I've never
seen scrubs really, but Okay, there we go. It's just
a yeah, it's weird because it's like different times, it's
like yeah, that was like two thousand seven though it
was that like you know that like Michael Scott era
of humor, where it was basically it was just sort

(09:29):
of like we can point out racism, and that's the
level of sort of wokeness that will engage in. We're like,
we're not going to be like that's funny because it's racist,
Like that's funny because it's racist. That's gross actually, and
that's really awkward that that person would do something so racist.
But then that's where it'll end, like the sort of
examination of that behavior. And then and I think it's

(09:52):
fully because the white liberals there was just like a
moment of time and culture that hopefully will pass where
like they're predominant in media as long as they said no,
trust me, like I'm not racist, and like I totally
get it. Like that's how you get Sarah Silverman saying
the inn word a bunch in her stand up and
things like that, where it's like this isn't quite Hopefully,

(10:15):
we're getting to the point where I don't think you
can ironically emulate a thing without somewhat sincerely emulating the
thing at all. And I'm sure you guys have talked
about the Megan Ameram tweets at this point as well.
Uh we touched on him, I think last week. But yeah,
I mean I think that's it was funny because I
remember seeing her tweets from like a good Place where
she would put down all of her ideas for businesses,

(10:36):
like from a good place, and like whenever was Asian restaurants,
Like the paragraph was like this thick of ideas Italian
restaurants with this like she had a good mind for
Asian puns, it seems at all times. Yeah, very unfortunate. Yeah,
so we'll see what happens, because I think, yeah, there's
a lot of comedians out there to who like know
her well and they're like, they're like, I don't believe
her to be like a nasty person, but I'm also

(10:58):
going to say I'll believe it when I see it,
when I see the actual work being done, rather than
like you know my heart, you know my heart, you
know where I'm coming from, right. But I think those
people that would be more skeptical and and try more
holistically to hold a person like that to account. Will
not be in a hiring firing position over a person
like that, Yeah, for sure, you know what I mean. Like,

(11:19):
it's not like Mike Sure is gonna be like this
person I've worked with for twelve years, and I don't
think like Bill have her for the next show. It
like kind of it materially doesn't really have a consequence.
Probably where is that Cat Cohen that has a consequence?
For sure? Unfortunately or more fortunately depending We're going to

(11:39):
get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're
talking about. We're gonna talk about overt racism in the
police who were fired, uh and just the transcript of
what of what they said on on camera. We're also
going to talk about the Lynwood vikings, which is something

(12:01):
that was covered on behind the police Robert Evans is
and propagandas look back at the history of policing, recent
history of policing, there being a white supremacist gang operating
out of the l A. Sheriff's office. Also, you know, well,
we'll check in with that cop who had a tampon
putting his frappuccino, uh to to see where that investigations

(12:25):
at about something justice for the right. Finally, we'll talk
about Kristen Bell and Jenny Slate suving themselves out of
voicing persons of color on animated shows, and we'll check
in with the Netflix top ten and probably do a
do a watch on one of the pieces of content

(12:48):
that's trending right now. All of that plenty more, But first, Kevin,
we like task our guests, what is something from your
search history that's revealing about who you are? Well? One
of the last things from ice or history truly was
Scrubs black face because I was like, I think I
saw every episode that show. I have no memory of
this and the like doing something a bit with like

(13:11):
Donald face on or something. Yeah, they were like switching places,
so like Faison had white face on. I think, what
about white face? Yeah exactly, I can't wait till we
tackle that moment. What about well? I mean right now,
if you saw, like on Twitter, James W. Jones was
trending because people were like, um, this black guy was

(13:34):
Anakin Skywalker who is a white So what's why is
Jenny Slate? That's like the discourse I'm seeing on Twitter
from nerds. But again, a lot of people are like,
I'm sure Star Wars fans would live like the one
speck of darkness of blackness in that entire franchise from
Lando or something to be if that were, like, yeah,

(13:55):
it shouldn't have been James Earl Jones. Otherwise it pretty
would have been a fully, fully fully white. Yeah. That's
a very bad faith argument. Although canonically, um, I believe
that job of the Hut is um is Hispanic. Okay, alright,

(14:15):
I think that. I think the the other thing about
James Old Jones too is that he like didn't want
to even be credited as in the beginning. I feel
like that was like one of those things that he felt.
It was sort of like, dude, I'm just voicing this
other thing. I just I'm not in this movie. Don't
worry about me. Did he make some wild financial deal
with the back end or something? He must have? I mean,

(14:35):
that's I think all the great people who are just
like are gone because they're so rich, had the like
Devil's deal of royalty points, like Keanu Reeves with the Matrix.
Everybody who was involved in the original Star Wars was
intensely embarrassed about it before it came out and became
a monster hit. Right. I think they were still embarrassed,
but they were like, oh, I guess so this is

(14:56):
where we're at. But right, you think it's one of
those things that like they're mad at the people who
like it's like this sucks, bro, Probably you think this
is good? Fuck all right, I guess I'll Alec Guinness
trillion dollar? Is this? Harrison Ford was. I did not
like the movie at all. I could see all of
them being that way, maybe except for Hamil always thought

(15:19):
it was great because he was the star. He could
he he might be the one that's like just like yeah,
out of lock stuff of Like, No, I think it's
pretty good. Actually it's like fun. It's power converters fucking
bent over at Tashi station. You're sucking? What is what

(15:42):
something you think is underrated? Kevin? I think is underrated?
Going on walks, man, I think going on a nice
long walk and this isn't even like the like Pandemic
and quarantine a side. One of my favorite pastimes was
put on my bow's headphones and then just walking over
round the beautiful streets of Pasadena California for hours to

(16:04):
get my steps in, to burn some cows, and just
to to see my city, burn some cows, say hi
to some pals. You know what, burn cows and say
hi to pals, which is what you know? Social distance
walks are? How long? How what's like the duration of
a typical Kevin T. Porter walk? So well? For so
the way my life is uh kind of structured right now. Uh,

(16:28):
it is limited in the sense of I'll run in
the morning and then I will come back and then
shower up, do some work, and then I'll take a
little walk breaks throughout the day where then I'll maybe
go out for like twenty minutes at time, come back
twenty minutes at a time come back, or maybe like
an hour at a time and come back. So like, yeah,
anywhere between like ten ten to forty five minutes, I

(16:50):
think is a is a great zone for It's like
it's almost like rather than cigarette breaks, You're like, and
I'll do a walk break. Yeah. The opposite of what
of what that does to your body are very Wait,
you are smoking on these walks right fully? Yeah? No,
And I got I don't understand. I got one of
those masks with the hole in it so you can
keep smoking as you walk. He's got one of those

(17:11):
harmonica neck braces, but it just filled with fifteen cigarettes.
Oh my god, I actually do have a harmonica neck brace,
and now I really want to do that and take
pictures of it. That's a good idea. Hey, that's the
album cover for your next album? Yeah? What is? What's
something you think is overrated? Overrated? Okay, Now I don't

(17:32):
have a good argumentative foundation for this, but right now
I'm going to say the Sopranos. And I don't even
know if I agree with this what I'm saying now.
Oh no, but I'm just now this is who I am.
But I have I'm starting to watch it for the

(17:53):
first time because of the excess of free time that
we all have now, and it feels like the Golden age,
like these are the greatest shows of all time from
like from the golden age of television, like the turn
the nineties into the two thousands, it was The Wire,
the Sopranos, mad Men, and Breaking Bad like that was
kind of the cultural critical consensus. I watched Breaking Back

(18:14):
in Real Time, loved it. Never watched The Wire, watching
a couple of seasons of mad Men and bailed on it,
but I want to start that up again. And then
the Sopranos. I remember watching the pilot when I was
like thirteen years old, and then I just never picked
it up again. So now now I'm back in it,
and I like it and I think it's really enjoyable.
But I don't know if it's like this is clearly
the great American novel of our time, and it is

(18:38):
like Strange Wire is the great American novel. Yeah, that's
what people say too, and people say that about Man Man.
A bunch of novels in the Sopranos kind of walks
that weird line to where you have deeply fucked up
characters who are racist, homophobic, etcetera. But they're doing the
thing where it's like, yeah, but we know these characters
are bad. But for a certain group of people at
the time, it's sort of nor it would be like, yeah,

(19:00):
can talk like it's like fucking Sopranos talk when you
you know, fucking use like slurs and ship like that.
But the elegance of the show, I think is that
despite that, they find these ways to use humor and
like these weird quirks about these characters to suddenly get
you to like give a ship about someone who's like
a violent murderer or hit man or whatever. And it's

(19:22):
that's like, those are the moments where I find most enjoyable,
where I'm like, suddenly I'm laughing at someone I would
normally think it's just an absolute villain. But the writing,
I think is what makes it super fun too to watch. Yeah,
and it's funny too in this current moment to watch
it and like alternating essentially a watching habit of like, okay,

(19:43):
I'm going to watch their teeth and just finished Selma.
All right, here's two episodes of Sopranos, and then back
to like to do the right thing, and it is
and even too just like on a on a gender thing,
like all four of those shows or I don't know
the wire if it isn't much, but all those are
about difficult white men who are like actually bad and
kind of antihero in nature and so kind of it's

(20:06):
interesting to go back to that time when that felt
like novelty and like real original and and and to
try to get back into that mindset of like, oh yeah,
like and trying to get back into that cultural mindset
of it was never seen before in quite that same way.
But now it kind of just feels like an exercise.
But that's only because it was so influential that it did.

(20:27):
Just like the course of TV. Yeah, I mean with
that the Sopranos, would we even have Ozark And wouldn't
that be a sad thing? Is that good? No? I
mean it's fine, it's fine. I feel like I don't know. Yeah,
I feel like everybody was talking about it, but I
guess that was because of quarantine, like it every show
that's coming in, and I was like, yes, get it

(20:48):
out now. Yeah, no, I think that's the case. Now
Ozar Ozark plays like a dumb guy is trying to
write breaking bad. Yeah, that's the vibe that I got.
But very incredibly watchable, incredibly watchable, great snack food TV.
It's amazing to look at the history of like mobsters
and how influential shows like Godfather and uh Sopranos are.

(21:12):
Godfather in particular, like invented a lot of the ideas
of the American mafia, like having those higher level like
family values that was something that like didn't exist at
all in the American mafia before before the Godfather and
then everyone was like, oh, this is this is much
cooler than what we do, which is go go around

(21:33):
like breaking parking meters to get the change out of it,
you know, turning on each other. Yet Yeah, and then
and then Sopranos I feel like talked about that was like, yeah,
like they're just I think there's aren't there scenes Miles
and Sopranos where they talk about The Godfather and like

(21:55):
how great it is. Yeah, and also that it's funny
too because like they'll getting back to you know, back
in the the you know, the old guys. They would
never do something like that, like you know, like they
like this sort of like reminisce. But then you're also thinking,
like are they talking about a period that predates even
The Godfather coming out and they're still using their Godfather
informed perception of these Like it's weird when like with

(22:17):
what you're saying to even look at those scenes when
they're like going back into the fifties and sixties, um
and like what the Jersey Mob look like. Then yeah,
inventing traditions that don't exist. Also, as a as a
Bruce Springsteen fan, very fun to watch. Stephen van zant
and is a little too pay doing work. What a
great actor for that show and his wife, his wife too,

(22:39):
Like it's just like the van Zance as the Dante family,
and I'm like, I love this. I love it very strange,
although part of me wonders if, like my um full
lack of love for the show comes from I feel
like I might be a dumb dumb with some mafia stuff.
I don't know if I've ever really connected with like
an organized crime or mafia movie, even watching even watching
The Irishman when they were like an hour or two

(23:01):
of like, Okay, the Labor Union wants this, I'm like,
how what do they control? Like it feels like the socialists. Yeah,
it feels byzantine and put in political to me. Did
you watch Lila Hammer, That show Steve Van's ant was
on after The Sopranos Gangster in Norway? Yeah. Although the

(23:21):
Springstein does have a cameo in season Billboard alone, I
was like, I can't do it, like you guys, this
is too much. Don't don't drag me into this territory now, like,
let little Stevie from the Eastreet Band just be little Stevie. Yeah,
I think that's right. That was like Netflix's first show
before right, people forget that. Yeah, we were like the

(23:42):
Company House of Cards, Bill, It's like no dog Lily
hammer off that back, Steve. Yeah, that was when their
model was invest in the fifth guy in Sopranos and
see if he can carry a whole show because that
show was popular. Uh. And then they went a little
further three seasons, three seasons, Kevin, what is the myth?

(24:07):
What's something people think is true you know to be false? Uh?
I thought about this a lot in in in thinking
about myths in particular. One myth maybe the existence of Hell.
And I'm here to say Hell isn't real. Thank you.
That's a load off my shoulders. Boy, Jack's pissed that

(24:27):
Hell isn't real. What's Catholic? Man? You're kind of you're
kind of disrupting a lot of teachings right now. Yeah.
There's something that I read at some point about how
the existence of of Hell has has like some connotation
with like societies that I don't know, it's like more
impactful on the moral makeup of a society than you

(24:49):
would think, like belief in hell. Absolutely, Yeah, I mean
it kind of gets into I'm sure, I'm sure it's
conversant with the conversations about prison reformed stuff and like
the idea of justice, and I'm sure it's got to
influence so many things. I do you have like ultimate
justice in a way? Oh? Man? Hell huh. I mean

(25:11):
it's just say, you know, like when I was tripping
and like reading books like in cause like what if
like this is hell right now? How do we know that?
So like Buck bro hand me that bomb? Yeah no,
well okay, Miles kind of just stole my whole argument.
So I guess I can't dispel the myth fully. Did

(25:33):
you grow up fearing Hell? Yeah? I did not, really.
I Like when I was really young, I tried to,
like think of I could never get my mind around
the idea of eternity, like I just did. It didn't
seem possible to me. So then like I couldn't. I
just couldn't do it. I gave up when I was
five and gave up on hell. At five, I just

(25:56):
gave up on like understanding it. You hate to hear that, man,
I think I did. I think I did, though, because
like my nightmares were always me doing bad things and
like get in trouble like me, like like what I
used to have this recording nightmare where someone would like
force me to do drugs. UM, when when I was
like five or six or something. God, yeah, what happened?

(26:20):
I don't know many what kind of drugs did? They
fortunated they would so I didn't know about drugs, So
they would cut my thumb and then pour powder on
the cut. Uh, and that was how that was how
they got me. Um. And then what would happen? Like
you would your mom would be like, Jack, you're on drugs?
Go to exactly, Oh my goodness, gracious? And what was

(26:43):
it like the drug free America? Like how did you
get that connotation with the drugs and everything? I think
it must have been the p s A S. I mean,
you know, I'm growing up in the Reagan era and
like grow a lot of TV, a lot of like
very special episodes of people, you know, doing drugs having
their life run by drugs. Um. Turns out drugs are

(27:05):
awesome and uh, they're too good. They're not nobody's going
to force you to pour them in your thumb cut though.
But yeah. Now we cut to two weeks from now
when Daily's eyeguys listeners. There's an epidemic of thumb, cutting powder,
putting into horrible infection. Children are going to the I

(27:26):
c U and record numbers from this podcast. The least
efficient way to do cocaine, cut your thumb and then
pour terrible, terrible infection. Yeah yeah, but I didn't even
get into your system that way. I don't think. I mean,
it was could absorbent, but then I feel like then
it was just like necrotize from a terrible infection, Like

(27:46):
it's gotten necrotic and I got a cool, like purple thumb. Now, yeah,
I don't think I had a fully realistic view of
drug use when I was like seven years old. That's
why I gotta you gotta get your kids started early,
you know, so they don't have the weird dreams. Show
them the wire, so him how to break open a

(28:08):
light bulb and get busy with it. What the heck
is that? Really? Don't get Kevin, I can't corrupt you.
I know. I do have a lack of knowledge with
drugs that is comforting to me like you do. And
there's a spill. Oh my god. All right, let's take

(28:28):
a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back.
So we're gonna talk about a couple just sort of
staggering out in the open. Examples of racism from police.

(28:51):
There is a cop who was caught on video just
basically fantasizing about murdering black men, using the N word constantly, uh,
saying I can't wait, God, I can't wait for like
basically a race war, talking about how he's arming himself

(29:13):
up for it. And another police officer who he's talking to,
who's on board for the most part, And these are
words of a person who's legally like allowed to murder people.
And they were It was not like a new a
young this was a long time officer. So the full

(29:34):
conversation is definitely worth reading because I think it makes
it clear just like what we're up against. And I
don't know how you read that and still feel comfortable
with their being armed police in the United States. The
examples keep adding up, or the proof is becoming more
available to people who really want to see, like what

(29:56):
the you know, what put the police force in this
country has evolved into, and like what are the elements
within it? In this bushel of apples, man, there's some
there's some bad ones, there's some white supremacist ones. There
are guys who are horny for a race war that
the intent in their voices of like fantasizing about it
is really just if someone's like I just need a reason,

(30:20):
because that's really what it is. I'm ready to kill
black people. Unfortunately I need a reason to do it.
So I will join and I will go to an
occupation where there is a monopoly on violence the police
force because we are we exclusively have the rights to violence.
If you are violent at all, the police will come,

(30:40):
doesn't matter what context, because violence is for the state
and for the police to do on you. And you
have people who are just saying I just need a
fucking reason, um, and they're walking around the streets and
even to like what you know, a countless people not
aside from like Danielle who was talking about her own
family and other people I know who has had parents
in law enforcement and who have had to several relationships

(31:02):
in the last month because of they began to question
what their parents were doing over the last few years.
Like I've heard you say some really wild shit over
the years. How do how could I ever know you've
never done something fucked up out there, even if you
didn't realize it. Even if you didn't realize it. But
how do I know that if you don't trust me,
there's all kinds of stuff and to know that this

(31:23):
is out there is frightening. But again, this is a
terror that has been known forever for certain people in
this country. But yes, I hope every time we're hearing
about this, whether it's even police and Milwaukee who are
abdicating their responsibility to follow up on people saying children
were abducted and the neighborhood is going on their own
to find justice, that we can see that there are

(31:44):
these issues that we have to correct. There's nothing is
getting better where only I think now people just are
willing to see how bad it is and now you're
there's a taste of it. It tastes like shit. Yeah,
I know people use the apple metaphor a lot and
bad apple or like oh, I mean, although the rest
of that phrases one bad apple ruins the bunch, which

(32:07):
I think people realize. Also, I don't know if we've
talked about the possibility that maybe just apples are bad
for you, maybe you shouldn't eat apples at all, and
maybe apple is a food group is not something you
need in your life. But if but Adam and Eve
and and Johnny apple seed, right, no, an apple I'm
in even so Eve took the apple and then created

(32:29):
original sin in our falle world that we live in.
So that iPhones iPhones, but the iPhones, you know, that's
part of the common grace that God has given us.
But then in in a way, an apple has ruined
our lives forever, So abolish apples. But you know, like
what happens after, right, Like because Jackie you wrote this

(32:49):
in there of you know, these people have been operating
above the law for a long time, and in the
last month, the world is changing very quickly. For these
people who were able to murder and kill and maim undisturbed,
are suddenly finding themselves in a world where people are
paying a lot more attention, realizing not only are they overpaying,

(33:13):
are overpaid and bleeding budgets, uh when they can go
to people who actually need money. But they're also these
reforms coming and these structural changes that essentially could put
them out of the job. You know, like when you
have these uh you know, like in certain places that
have completely revamped their police departments, it's like they fire everybody.

(33:34):
Everybody is to reapply. So I have a feeling there
are cops out there who would even if they reapply,
they'd be like, look, we gotta be real, man, your
record is a fucked up. There's no fucking way you're
gonna like that was back then. But this is the
reason why we dismantled this department, is to make sure
we know everybody who's in there. And unfortunately you don't
pass the test. What happens to these other officers afterwards,

(33:56):
who are just angry white people who are just used
to killing black people undisturbed? What? And yeah, I guess
that is their secondary fantasy is to be like, well,
then it's civil war, and then it's there is no laws,
and then that's how I can just act this out
all the time. Yeah, I mean it's still I'd say
it's still preferable to you know, fire them all, abolish

(34:17):
the police. But when we do, a lot of them
are going to turn into a very dangerous, like you know,
white supremacist terror organization. And we just need to as
a society grapple with the fact that we don't take
white supremacists uh domestic terrorism seriously, and it's going to
it's going to be a problem for a long long time. Um,

(34:40):
it's still preferable because they won't legally be allowed to
murder people. Um, but I do think we need to
be prepared that these are neo Nazis and openly violent
white supremacists. Um. And I mean so on behind the police.
Robert Evans is mini series that he's doing with Propagate,
and do they talk about an active white supremacist gang

(35:05):
that was operating out of an l. A. Sheriff's uh precinct,
Like it was the l A. Sheriff's precinct called the
Lynwood Vikings, And when you go to the Wikipedia page,
it's all like wanton racist hate crimes and it just ends.
It's never like dealt with. It's never like and then

(35:25):
they were like rooted out. There's a suit that requires
the L. A. Sheriff's Department to pay nine million dollars
in damages. And one of the guys they framed for
murder gets out of prison after decades of being spent there.
But there they're still out there and this is like
not that far from where Robert Fuller was hanged. Um,

(35:49):
so it's it's just I don't know, man. There there's
a woman in Wisconsin who was attacked with lighter fluid
by for frat boys stay in second and third degree burns,
and the media is just kind of not really covering
it again because since the beginning of all of these
uprisings and protests, I've been saying, these systems respond every

(36:14):
time to something, right if there it's just like a
living organism, if it feels that it is in threat,
it will have to defend itself. So the police are
on the back foot the first couple of months. Now
they're they're really out here with their full blown like
we're victims. We're gonna brutalize people on camera, Like another
cop is gonna remind me I'm doing illegal chokes on
black people on camera. There's a lot where you're seeing this,

(36:39):
you know, like just in the moment where a lot
of people I think felt good of like, Okay, we're
on the verge of reform. You also see where the
media comes into your point and sort of isn't allowing
this to be part of the main discussion anymore of
being like, yeah, let's keep this, let's keep stoking this
flame of being like we need to actually reform the police,
and we are just seeing the uh, the backlash. I

(37:02):
just feel like in every single thing, like whether it's
policing or it's even uh performers not doing the voices
of black characters, there's gonna be the response where the
racists have to come out and show themselves because that's
just what it is. So if it's the you know,
Jenny Slate thing, then people are like, well what about
James Earl Jones, Like that's just the nature like it.
There's always going to be a response from people of

(37:24):
this other side of this ideology. And I think that's
what we have to keep looking at, is every time
ground is made or improvements are made, there will always
be a push back from these systems, whether that's white
supremacy or what have you. But this is this is
going to be constant. I think being reminded of that
uh fact will help people stay focused on this because again,

(37:46):
you know, the media really they yeah, they really don't
give a funk as much now unless it's like unless
things are burning down. There isn't much room for that
because we're completely on like Bill Barr huh, Like he's
a he's a career, he's a crime on he's a creep. Yeah.
I think the last month is the first time that
I have aligned in my in conservative families disdain for

(38:07):
like mainstream media stuff. So before mainstream media was like, oh,
they're fearmongering about COVID nineteen, it's actually just the flu
it's not bad, blah blah blah, or like the mainstream
media won't tell you about this hashtag plandemic. And then
the idea of like the way that the mainstream media
did cover BLM protests in the movement, especially the first
couple of weeks in all the like couch fainting and

(38:32):
pearl clutching about the looters and all this, and and
like how they frame things and what they put their
their focus and attention on. That was the first time
that social media did feel like a net positive for
the world in the sense of like distribution invisibility, which
is like in truly like it may have been one

(38:53):
of the only and I'm sure there's like been plenty
of social uprisings where social media has been like a
like an important component of it, But with the BLMS,
it just felt like unimpeachable, like putting together like these
montages of lap D brutalizing the police over a video
of Eric Garcetti being like I love you, son to
chief more and things like that. It just felt unimpeachabul

(39:15):
So I think I think it's sad that that civilians
have to be held to a higher standard with this
stuff in terms of vigilance than elected in officials and
civil servants. But the people who run these you know,
news organizations are white liberals typically, And it's exactly what

(39:35):
like Martin Luther King was talking about, like well intentioned
white liberals, um like be aware because that's not how
we get to real justice because it's you can tell
just how the news operates, like even the people who
run the newsrooms have a certain threshold for how much
discomfort they're willing to even have go through their air

(39:55):
waves of Like I don't know, it's should we really
keep talking about out like this colonizers stuff like that's
kind of getting heavy. I don't know, Like should we
just talk Like you go to MSNBC right now, there
isn't a single headline having to do with anything that
was related to the uprisings and protests that have been
going on. It's about you know, Biden having a lead.

(40:17):
You know what's going on with COVID nineteen. Trump has
bad polls, there's nothing about Brianna Taylor's you know, murderers
still being out there only getting fired. What's happening in
other cities? Uh, you know barely. I just barely saw
something about Elijah McClain. How the governor is asking that
that case be actually investigated now. But this is how

(40:37):
the me like because a lot of people they really
think the media is the fucking world, and unfortunately, when
they fall into that, they will look at this and go, Okay,
I think I think racism has been solved, but we're
still out here saying like, oh my god, but this
is how it works. They can't they can't really shine
the light on themselves right now. They're just incapable. Um.
And that's why I like the the lack of diversity, inclusion,

(41:00):
and especially when you look at the media, like this
is the kind of thing you get, Yeah, I mean that.
There There's a guy John Rice who has written in
the Atlantic and talked on New York Magazine's podcast about
what he calls third degree racism, and he kind of
describes it as it's like the most omnipresent type of discrimination.

(41:22):
It kind of undergirds every part of American companies basically, uh,
like white owned and run companies. Um, And it's third
degree and that it's like not intentional, it's passive and
maybe less acutely damaging than the stuff we were just
talking about, but it's omnipresence makes it as damaging on

(41:45):
the on the whole. I'll just read like what he
wrote in his article in the Atlantic. He said, employers
whose efforts to increase diversity lack the same analytical and
executional rigor there just taken for granted and every other
part of their business engaging practices that disadvantaged black people
in the competition for economic opportunity. Like, it needs to

(42:06):
be a goal that you're tracking with metrics. It needs
to be like you would any other part of your
business that you want to succeed in. It can't just
be a thing that you make a gesture at every
once in a while when people are looking. Yeah, but
that's but that's all people. A lot of people just
know how to do and there aren't they aren't around

(42:27):
enough people to tell them that's bullshit. That's not change
at all. That's you. That's like you just being like
oh sorry, sorry, sorry. That's the equivalent of like just
being like, oh sorry, that's it. That's all you did
was apologized. Because if you're really you know, if you're
really looking at this as an issue, then take like
then think about it to your point, Jack, Like, if
you're gonna use analytics and figure out how you're gonna

(42:49):
boost your profit margins or whatever business goal you have,
you're gonna do that more than being like, yeah, we
need more of that, So just do that and uh,
I'll talk to you at the end of the quarter.
Like You've got to have a stre ategy. It's the
same thing with dismantling systemic racism. You have to have
a strategy. You have to have a way of looking
at it and quantifying it, because I think the thing
that people do is be very disingenuous and act like

(43:10):
it isn't a measurable thing. Like even though there's so
much data to say, uh, these cities are segregated like this,
there is your data right there. There's so much that
you can look at to help inform your decision making.
Say oh wow, like it's not just that I have
to hire people, it's like that I have to make
my company a place that allows black people and a

(43:32):
diverse group of people a pathway into stable income to
you know, generate wealth, because that's the Unfortunately, the name
of the game here is like you have to be
in here and then you have to buy real estate
because that's just the American cycle um and a lot
of places too. But that if you're not thinking like that,
then yeah, you're gonna get all this bullshit, these empty
gestures that ring hollow, Like after you get the bone

(43:55):
or off from the press release and then you're like, oh, yeah, yeah,
it probably had schedule program. It feels like most of
the time that stuff has the social efficacy of like
the leading old tweets rather than Okay, well, what's the
thing moving forward, what's the commitment, what's the change, where's
the money going, what's the practice now? I don't even
know if you guys at all followed the Ringer stuff

(44:18):
for the Bill Simmons stuff this past week. I have
it in here actually, Oh is that true? Oh gracious yeah,
because well he specifically addresses one of the things that
Bill Simmons raises, the whole pipeline thing. He's like, well,
you know that we didn't have the ability to hire
a more diverse staff because we were like didn't have
the money and there wasn't you know, we were just

(44:40):
still starting out. And it's like he, uh, you have
the money to what underpay people of color like you
normally do. Like what then is that? He said? He said,
when executives used that excuse that there's like a small
pipeline of talent, uh, he asks them, Oh, yeah, how
many black people did you have at your wedding? Because
we're not the band right exactly, and that is yeah.

(45:05):
He His point is that like a lot of the time,
people are hiring from like their pool of social connections,
and they're not doing it because they're thinking out loud,
I want a gate keep. They're doing it because it's
the easy thing to do. It's the it's easier to
let people who you know know somebody who is at
your wedding, and it's just it's self perpetuating. It's it's

(45:30):
but yeah, the Simmons thing was interesting, Kevin. I I'd
love to hear your thoughts on that. Uh. And as
someone who has like really I I love a lot
of the Ringer content stuff. I listened to some of
those shows regularly and and probably read the website regularly,
but very disappointing stuff. I mean it. Bill Simmons has

(45:51):
been kind of showing his ass the last month as
far as like the conversation goes, even in his first
podcast back with Ron Russilo from from the protests, where
they were just like very flippant and and really insensitive
about just like lutera blellshit and stuff like that. But um,
the thing from the New York Times piece that was

(46:14):
really offensive that people rightfully kind of zeroed in on,
as as the language that said so much I was
talking about like even so even in in in the
sense of their podcast where like on some of those
shows they would have on more guests of color or
more different kinds of people, and then over time it's
just been like for their Rewatchables podcasts, it just became

(46:36):
the same three guys who are you know, senior staff
at the at the website, in their white males. And
the thing Bill Simmons said was this is an open
mic night as far as like proven talent and stuff,
which just like, yeah, I feel like even that, like
that is the stuff that we have to be so
vigilant and identifying and understanding the kind of like thought

(47:00):
processes that that lead to that moment. By the way,
it is an open mic night. Bill Simmons did give
his fourteen year old daughter a podcast on the Okay, yeah,
I guess it's not open mic night because comedians do
those generally, but not just like guys, you know, yeah,

(47:22):
especially like in a lot of industries. I mean, I
can only speak from entertainment comedy myself, but I've only
been able to move up because of my proximity to whiteness.
I've never had a black person give me a job
ever in entertainment. Ever, I've only had the job because
I knew white people who were who were vacating that position,

(47:46):
who used to work there, who I worked with previously
and are now in a position to higher But that's
the game a lot for a lot of uh, non
white people to get into industries that are so so
homogeneous like this. It's very like there's no way to
do it because it's not like you're gonna go on
on Craig's List and see an add to be a

(48:06):
writer's assistant for the next NBC show. That's just not
how it works. Like you have to know somebody who
knows somebody who knows somebody, and if you're if you're
already like trying to enter a very white scene and
you are not white, there's like extra work you gotta do,
Like you gotta have to You're gonna have to figure
out who these people are that are worth knowing and
that can offer you opportunity, because at the end of

(48:27):
the day, it comes like it comes very differently than
a lot of people who I just see like, oh Ship,
Like wow, how did you get that job? Like I
didn't even know they were hiring, And they're like, oh yeah,
like my friends X like used to run that thing
and now he's at U t A. But he like
he knew me, like he knows my cousin and then
so he just had me come through and like yeah,
like I was doing some ship like my last game,

(48:47):
I was like, what the funk? Like that's how you'll
get jobs. It almost feels like that's like a more
sinister microcosm of what you see happening with like film
industry stuff, where it's so prevalent right now to make
based on pre existing i P because it's like it's
a known quantity and it's a safe bet so okay,
we're gonna do a live action remake of Little Mermaid

(49:09):
or whatever they're doing. And so so that being like
a broader, less harmful example of the more micro stuff
that is fear based decision making the worst kind, yeah,
which is like trusted, Like, Okay, well I know Steven
and I grew up across the street from it. He
can hold it down, I guess, but it's like he
doesn't have an original thought in his body and he

(49:30):
can only speak in quotes from the movie Old School,
Oh my God, and you're like, you're running this whole
day but old School. Yeah right, I mean, like, but
you know, very specific time, but you know, it's that's
kind of that's the game. Uh. And I think that's
why people need to look, you know, like these jobs

(49:52):
and stuff are like I think white people don't realize,
like a ball like this employment is like a ball
y'all got, and you pass it around to people that
you already have been making eye contact with. So the
ball only gets passed around to people you already know,
and then there are people trying to get in the game,
and how the fund do I catch this ball? And
I'm like, okay, So I'm gonna need to get near

(50:12):
this person who's in the game. Uh, they will know
who I am, and then now I at least they
know who I am, and that that's there's a chance
the ball could come my way. And the problem is,
like you're saying, Kevin, it's all fear based because if
they just took what's odd is like to someone who's
getting hiring someone, it's like it's a risk to you know,
maybe go out there and someone you don't know, but

(50:33):
you know what you're the chances of you finding someone
really good are much higher than just settling on someone
you don't have to worry about. And it's the same
thing with the ideas the movies suck because it's ideas
like from the business standpoint of the film industry, don't
have to worry about it's not like a risk. But
all this ship is like not entertaining anymore. And now
we're like, fuck you, bro, just watch Korean movies. Then

(50:54):
like at least they're doing some shit like and not
just like racing and repeating stuff. It's like and that,
and they're not even seeing the benefit of being like, dude,
do something different, like it's gonna it will naturally energize things.
You know, it will be stagnant if you just continue
to stay in your comfort zone. I mean, and that
isn't that's beyond just your business practice, is just a
way of living too, you know, like you need to

(51:16):
go outside of what you know to truly begin to
like build your world of experience and try and see
things differently. Otherwise, Yeah, you're just playing yourself because you're
looking at the same fucking stuckle wall all day. That's
that's the world. Yeah, and it kind of makes everyone
a victim of that stuff too, because in a way,
like white people become like not as much of a victim,
but a victim of it by their own like always

(51:39):
just being like trapped in this morass of mediocrity by
not ever wanting to get out of that zone. And
I think, and I think, especially in creative environment, decision
makers rob themselves of a lot of excellence and potential
from the and and just even yeah, when you when
you miss out on people like that who aren't part
of the normal, you know, like comedy guys sort goal,

(52:00):
where like I feel like that's every like most writer's rooms.
And then just take the chance you're gonna something new,
will happen, would will already be energizing, and if you're
hiring then like, you don't that it's I don't know,
it just seems so easy. But again, we were running
these examples where companies are like, and we're gonna do
the right thing now. It's like that could have been
done so long ago, and it really wasn't that hard,

(52:22):
aside from the fact that you just agreed now that
it's bad, yeah exactly. I mean they're choosing third degree
racism over you know, actual like success. They have to
because the like it will make your company better. Studies
have found that people who are with people like themselves
in a group like problem solving setting have a higher

(52:45):
degree of confidence in you know, the answer they come
to or the solution they come to, and a lower
level of success. And I think that's like, just keep
that in mind. It's going to be comfortable and more
mediocre if you are just like working with and hiring
people who are like yourself. It's just gonna be you

(53:05):
guys are gonna be like, yeah, yeah, totally, this is
we nailed it, and you're gonna be wrong. Right, All right,
let's take a quick break and we'll be right back,
and we're back real quick. I don't think we got

(53:26):
a chance to talk about They looked at the security tape,
they checked the receipts on that cop who uh said
there was a tampon place as uh frappuccino uh, and
there's nothing that that didn't happen. Um, So it seems
like the police are really out of touch with the
wonders of video, like they're that was not real. I

(53:52):
thought the tampon bab fucking near with his flo paccino
was the real story and that's not. Oh god, then
who so are people being mean two cops? I don't
get it. It's all these stories are so incredible because
it is watching like watching law enforcement officials essentially right

(54:14):
fan fake of their own persecution in real time is
an incredible exercise to see, Okay, what would be the
most egregious Why guess a tampon? What would a guy
like me get it? I guess I would get a
frappuccino place and like just kind of the A two
B two see and and you know, historically, um, Starbucks
has uh less we forget has perpetuated a lot of

(54:39):
fake anti police violence when the when the young lady
wrote pig on the guy's cup exactly self harm? You know,
is this self harm? They're truly just a vile group,
you know what I mean. Like, and then when you
look broadly at the conservative movement against Starbucks killing Christmas

(55:02):
with their like not putting crosses on their Christmas cups,
it's it's like a lesser version of that, but it's
still the same sort of idea that like you can
get everybody outraged by claiming Starbucks is attacking you. Yeah, well,
I have like the morals to actually follow through on
any of like their supposed boycotts or anything, because at

(55:24):
the end of the day, their their brains are fully
fucked off consumer culture. Like there's no way that they're like, Yeah,
you know what, I've really thought about my place in
this consumer cycle, and actually giving my money to Starbucks
isn't what I want. Aside from them destroying Christmas, I
just think as an enterprise, it's probably not a good
idea for me to participate. It's not that's not what
it is. It's just pump faking. That's all these people do,

(55:46):
just a pump fake. I'm I won't go Okay, then
don't fuck you. We're doing the same thing. And watch
they still go and they shut the funk up, and
now they're just well, not alright, pig on my own cup. Okay, idiot,
you're still here and you gave them your money. Fucking dummy.
Now we're getting this news in just now, but from
the at Starbucks official account, they've announced that the new

(56:07):
holiday cups will be cops on their cups. They're gonna
put cops in stand outfits on their holiday cups, making
everybody happy. Oh man, just saying, pop pop po down
the Let's talk about Kristen Bell and Jenny Slate. Uh.

(56:27):
They have subbed themselves out as performers because they were
voicing persons of color on Big Mouth and Central Park respectively.
Yeah so I mean great, great, Hey make space. That's
that's great. They took a second. Their statements were like, yeah,
when I just, you know, the last month, just trying

(56:49):
to think of how I may have participated any kind
of racism or kept people out of a job or something,
I realize it's I'm playing a half black actor, and yes,
the character is half white, and I am white, and
then that could be my half and then That's why
it's okay, is what I told myself. But then I
realized it was black erasure, and I was also taking

(57:11):
up the spot for someone else who could be having
a nice income as a voice over actor, because Jenny
Slate and Kristen Bell are not struggling at all. They
are I know, Kristen Bell is a very kind landlord.
So I have a feeling they you know, they're they're
doing the right thing, because that's precisely they they're looking
at it and making that decision. But this is like

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the easy stuff too. It's almost like, yeah, you could
these you know, people of color can also do voice acting.
And there was a few articles showing how there are
a few like white voice actors who are voicing characters
who are not white, and just sort of like, yeah,
this is like a thing that we can also talk about.
But then it kicks off the whole fucking Darth Vader
discussion with people on the right. The recency of these

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of these voices, too, is what makes it funny. I
feel like Chris and Bell with the you know, Everyone's
purple or whatever that kid's books she she put out
aple weeks ago. I think we're getting more of a
clear sense of where her and Dax might fall on
certain Yeah, but that central part came out like two

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weeks ago. It's not like it's surely not like you
know the first thing. Yes, Like it's not like even
even in Scribes or thirty Rock where it's like it
was fifteen years ago on blah blah blah. But it's
like Central Park came out on Apple TV plus two
weeks ago and they're like, oh, you know, upon further inspection.

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The thing with with both of those cases is I
feel like the instant Hanks Area says, you know what,
I'm not doing a poo anymore that I feel like
just should be. That's it, Like it's game over for
is this writer like I don't know, and it's a
complicated quitch like Hank is Area who got grandfathered in

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from a much more racist time and I'm probably much
more racist writing staff. He's saying no to it in
response to like legitimate criticism, So why would it ever
be Okaya as Arias said he's done. In February, he
said he was done doing a pooh. Yeah, that's why,
I mean, oh, you're saying if okay, God, I'm confused

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once he says he's done, like everybody else should like
that should have been a wave. It should have been
like there should have been a cascade of press releases
of like oh ship, yeah, is Aias not doing that?
That's like that example everyone has in the back of
their mind. They're like, well, you know, Hanker z Aria
does that pool, So it's not hard exactly. It's an
example that gives permission. And even on a woke as

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health show like BoJack Horseman where Alson Bree is playing
an Asian character, like, it's just everyone's given. Everyone's given
each other permission in these teeny tiny little ways. Guys,
let's check in with the Netflix top ten real quick
Altered Carbon season two. Oh, I hope it's still up there.

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So we skipped last week and the Netflix Top ten
went wild in the meantime. Uh, we've got some new entries,
so three sixty five days still still they're still in
the top four. Uh. For most of last week, I
noticed it was at number one, So America stays horny.
Uh to the point that number six is that uh

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the full porno that Carl and I were talking about.
That's like, I don't know it's actual people having actual
sex on camera, but it's wrapped in like a moody
European film. It's from the guy who made Enter the Void. Uh,
it's okay, But so that that broke into the top ten.

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Let's see the Flora's lava. What do we know about
the Floora's lava other than I know a friend of
mine is on episode nine and I did enjoy watching
her cross Oh it's a fucking obstacle course show. Okay,
I mean I like obstacle core shows. You know, shout
out to Japanese culture. You know, we see you take

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we stee you see we see you stealing the culture.
But um, yeah, I like the thing that Jamie tweeted
yesterday about nut Job. At the time of her tweet,
it was number four and she was like, America, let's
unpack this, um because yeah, I wonder I know nut
Job is going to be some kind of just absolutely bizarre,

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tone deaf animated thing. Uh we've already seen this off
corn Yeah, two thousand fourteen three D computer animated heist
comedy where they're stealing it's I think squirrels stealing nuts.
That's awesome. Will Arnette Brendan Fraser and Gabrielle Iglesias. Fluffy himself.

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Oh my god, I don't know. I we haven't done.
I mean Flora's Lava is like definitely departure from scripted
things we have been assessing. But when we have number one,
it's been number one, and then yeah, maybe that I think,
then maybe we just need to understand why because when
three six five Dennis was number one, we we had

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to go boldly into that softcore. So yeah, oh this
bullet is basically French, fast and furious. You should definitely
watch three sixty five Days. It's a it's a cinematic biz.
It's so fucking off the rails with its like lack

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of acknowledging consent and like what it means to be
in a relationship or what love is. Like so many
times you're like, oh my god, he grabbed this woman
by her neck and then made out with her and
she's like, all right, I'll stay. You're right, Why it
out with her with his wiener? Oh well not that well,
I mean that's not that's what we're talking about. Off
the rip, the uh ten thousand foot altitude of Fallacio scene,

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there's a lot of there's a lot of head in
that movie, a lot ahead. Well, a friend of mine
asked me to watch it in life text her while
I was doing it, So maybe I'll do that tomorrow night.
Oh yeah, I can really imagine it. I was constantly
like about to pass out because I could not believe
that this is a thing that many Americans were like, Yeah,

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pretty cool that Jeff Dunham is one of the voices
in The nut Job. No, he's not Lena's brother. I
love We never talked about that nepotistic ride. She took
hon to the talk. I know she you know her
fortune is built on puppet culture. Yeah, racist puppet culture.

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But her whole career was her showing up at parties
with like New York Times writers and being adorable when
she was like seven years old because her parents were
like society people. Well yeah, and then you're like, hi, David,
maman's daughter being my thing too, so that nobody will
be able to say no to this show. And then hello,
Brian Williams daughter come being my right. This is a
bunch of that. They should have not They should have

(01:04:10):
called it instead of girls, they should have called it daughters.
Someone's daughters. That's the thing we were talking about the
other day of just Again, how like the industry works.
Like even in l A, all the celebrity kids, producer kids,
exact kids, they go to one of three high schools,
and then all the films end up coming out of
alumni of these schools, and you're like, I almost like, Okay,
where'd you go to? Harvard west Lake A crossroads? Time

(01:04:32):
to abolish high school? Thank you, You're welcome home. Yeah,
just just PC learning just the Yeah, I was on
school and I turned out great, fantastic The nut Job.
I mean, maybe I have to watch The nut Job
because as I was watching the preview, I was also, uh,
you know, hanging out with my sons and they were

(01:04:54):
laughing uproariously. I just don't know, is it too do
I want to expose them to this. I feel like
it's probably not good. I've already polluted their brands with
Trolls World Tour. You do the woke dad thing like
where you're watching the problematic movie and you pause and
you're like, let me explain what's happening here, son, What
they're trying to tell you, what they're trying to indoctrinate you?

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With okay, because this is already trying to put you
on the rat race where you're trying to attain in
this case acorns. But we call them dollars out here
because we are living in a system. And then they're like,
they just start crying because they want to watch the cards. See,
this is why I can never have children, because I
don't want to do John Oliver explainers every two year,

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iome welcome, and if you think wackos accent is inappropriate,
it's because it is. Guys are really good, John, I
can only do welcome, welcome, welcome, Well, fuck you, Helen,
you knew I wasn't going to be in the break room.

(01:06:01):
Does anyone have a John Oliver like non sequiturs Twitter
account that are just like just out of context lines
that you would believe it would be like, yeah, I'm
not going I'm not coming to the break room to sing.
No that that'd be cool though, Oh we love Sazo,
we stand yeah. Oh wait before we get there, do

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we decide it's nut job or Flora's lava? Nut Job?
I'm gonna watch the nut job. You're gonna watch the
Floora's lava because I actually every time you watch a
kids movie. For this you come back with like a
fucking you look so deep into the matrix of the film.
I get like stressed out where I'm like, I'm an

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idiot because this guy is like, yeah, I mean I
don't know what they're actually trying to say about this
genre of music controls. And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
this is good. I have this guy on the kid movie.
I would recommend Flora's Lava. I I enjoyed what I watched.
All right, I'm going all right, so Floria's Lava and
nut Job. Do do you listen or whatever you want
to land on for Monday? Kevin, it's been a pleasure
having you. Where can people find you, follow you, enjoy you.

(01:07:08):
You can follow me at Kevin t Porter everywhere. You
can listen to my podcasts Inside Voices are good Christian
fun wherever you get your pods. And then you know,
peep me on Letterbox. We're all on letter box now right,
moviewing our movies, showing our histories, making our lists. What
a fun time? Uh? And is there a tweet or

(01:07:30):
some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh
you know what in in in preparation for this. I
did find a tweet that loud from at auto O
t t O Fernandez. He tweeted, I'm not b I
p OC, I'm o J. I thought it was free

(01:07:56):
terrific tet miles where can people find you and follow you?
And what's the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram Miles
of gray Also my other podcast for twenty day Fiance.
If you like pop in it's a ride, It is
a ride. Um, okay, let's see a tweet that I like.

(01:08:19):
This one is from at we Are More Amara. It says,
are there any black owned planets I can move to? Uh?
And what else is there? Another one is from at
Ben Meckler says, is it all millennials that can attach
every formative sexual experience in their life to a DVD
menu that was playing on repeat in the background? Or
are we a micro generation? Um? Some tweets I've been

(01:08:45):
enjoying at speech Leash tweeted writing about US food the
way The New York Times covers Asian fruit in a
nation torn by racial conflict, One unlikely food unites to
those accustomed to chopsticks, The greasy part soll known as
a burger a sort of split bow. Is crude and messy,
yet it encapsulates a nation's violent past, uh, which I

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thought was perfect. And then Dan Johnson tweeted, Hi, welcome
to Chuck e Cheese. Everything is visibly dirty and our
mascot as a rat eat some pizza near a sneezing child.
Come on down for some rat pizza at our child casino.
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Bryan.

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You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're
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we post our episodes and our footnote we link off
to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
as well as the song we ride out on miles
What's that going to be? This is a track from
a group called Dumbo Gets Mad uh and they are

(01:09:55):
very interesting group. Uh and I this is the first
time I heard of this group. It's a like a
Itali in band, but they started playing around l A
a couple of years ago, and they have a very
like psychedelic psych pop disco feel and like they kind
of record the tape so it feels almost like very
old school, but the rhythms are good, Like this one

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has a very great samba beat to it and it's
called makes You Fly. So this is a great This
is just a great one to take into the weekend.
Oh one other thing I do want to say this weekend,
if you are interested in really fantastic visual art, I
have to recommend that there is a forty eight hour
stream of this piece by this artist, Arthur Joppa. It's

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called Love is the Message. The message is Death, and
he's a really amazing artist. It's like this, it's it's
a thing you could only watch in museums prior to
you know, the last month with everything going on, and
it's this. You know, it's a lot of found and
original footage that is described as you know, the it's
exploring the Black American experience and it's a very very

(01:10:57):
powerful piece and it's like stream anywhere. Um. A few,
like different museums are streaming this just for this weekend. UM.
And he's an incredible artist from Tupelo, Mississippi. But search
for Arthur jafas Uh. Love is the Message, the messages death.
It's a very very powerful piece that is absolutely recommended viewing.

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If you are so inclined to engage with material like that,
and I hope you will, how long you do? It's
not that long. It's not like a full on yeah,
it's it's a it's a it's a shorter piece. I
want to I can't definitely, not like an hour or
anything like that. I thought you said it was forty
eight hours more. Oh no, no, they're all they're playing

(01:11:38):
it forty eight hours. It's being streamed for forty eight
hours this weekend from today Friday up. More manageable? All right, Well,
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Party then I feel fiction. Cannot let things that can't

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get me upset. I can't really do this thing. Pleased
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