Apocalypse 2050, PUNK’D? Again? 6.5.19

In episode 406, Jack and Miles are joined by poet Melissa Lozada-Oliva to discuss Ivanka and John Bolton being booed in the UK, if internet shutdowns are safe, Nancy Pelosi playing 9-D chess, if town halls are helping the 2020 presidential candidates, MTV bringing back Singled Out and Punk'd, a new study about the end of civilization due to climate change, concerning YouTube algorithms, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. The most interesting moment of the Trump-May news conference happened before it began

2. Internet shutdowns don't make anyone safer

3. Nancy Pelosi Is Smart, Part 895

4. Are all of these town halls actually making any difference in 2020 polling?

5. MTV Is Rebooting Punk'd and Singled Out

6. Quibi: The next Go90, or streaming unicorn?

7. New Report Suggests ‘High Likelihood of Human Civilization Coming to an End’ in 2050

8. This graphic explains why 2 degrees of global warming will be way worse than 1.5

9. Framing Climate Change as a 'National Security Threat' Is Dangerous

10. On YouTube’s Digital Playground, an Open Gate for Pedophiles

11. WATCH: Shy Girls - Drain

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet. I'm welcome to Season eighty five, Episode three,
Joe Days eight Guys, a production of I Heart Radio.
This is a podcast we take a deep dive into America,
share consciousness, and say officially off the top Buck Coke Industries,
Fox News, fuck off. It's Wednesday, June five, two to
a nine team. My name is Jack O'Brien, a k

(00:21):
Jacksie driver for rankin Kin Jacks Freestyle, and I'm thrilled
to be joined as always by by co host Mr Miles.
Somebody once told me the zide guys gonna roll me,
need help to make every dad. He was sounding kind

(00:45):
of high with his coal house ach O'Brian. I think
his name was Miles Gray. Wait, there's more well home,
take start, come, don't stop coming. There's some taco bell
and I hit the ground running. Didn't make sense, No
MEXI mel but your tummy gets full, better, lose your belts.
So much to do, so much to see. So what's
up with Miles is e d You'll never know If

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you don't go, you'll never shown your heat. Don't glow
pay now, you're a pot star, but the Coke bros
go play pay now, you're a rock star. Fuck Fox News.
Now get bade and as we play a good only
podcast stars quick. Yeah I don't honestly, I only know

(01:33):
the first half of the first verse. Oh that was impressive.
My a came from rich Jefferson at device No, um,
not Richard Jefferson, the former Nets player Jefferson. Yeah yeah,
this is Dick Jefferson. Richard Jefferson. Yeah. Um yeah. They
even got your your your habit of calling your stomach tummy,

(01:55):
my tummy, keeping my tummy fl tom tumaru. Uh. Well
that was great, fans, very extensive. Okay, Well, we're thrilled
to be joined in our third seat by the talented
Melissa Losado Oliva Hia Oliva. Thank you for the effort. Yeah.

(02:23):
How are you doing. I'm doing good, you are. I'm
excited to be here. You're not from l A right now.
I live in New York. How you like in l A. Um,
it's cool. I am confused by the car culture. I
think you mean, like all the low riders, Yeah, all
the all the bird scooters those as I guess. Like

(02:43):
I was walking down a sidewalk and then it slowly
became not a sidewalk and then I was almost hit
by a truck. Oh yeah, yeah, because we have an
aggressive pedestrians. Yeah, agenda based on the city planning. Yeah, basically.
I also don't know how to drive. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
you're good though, you know, have a good tour guide
with you. Yeah I do. Yeah, so you're Jamie Loftus
is good for him. Yes, she's my pal, she's your pal.

(03:06):
She's been showing around l A. Yeah, she's the best. Wait,
so there was a sidewalk that just ended and went
into a yeah shell Silverstein. It like it became really skinny,
I guess, right, and then it's like yeah, and then
I was like tit rope walking on a concrete strip.

(03:27):
I thought you're gonna say, the sidewalk turned into a car,
Like maybe there's some confusion. You're a poet, so like
I could see like a magical realism thing happening. I
don't know. Yeah, the sidewalk turned into a car. And
then my memories from childhood, my father, that's right, just
make that up. Oh yeah, off the dome you should

(03:49):
go on death poetry slam? Yeah? Is that still? Did
people ever tell you that you should go in death?
So I used to watch this videos like that's so
excited about them? Um, and watching I'm like, what was this? Yeah?
Do people still get down like that because you're a
poet and don't you know it? But is that? How
big is slam poetry? Now? You know it's it's there

(04:12):
are pockets still it kind of like imploded like most
art communities do. Yeah, they're not like any competitions this
year or whatever. I think like the DPL, like the
poetry launch of l A like still is a thing. Yeah,
pretty cool, So we should go things. And when I
go there, I don't mean here at a t I'm there,

(04:34):
take my hat off. I have no hair, my child,
so I'm saying it could be my hair all the
like breathe. All the best poems rhyme. I've always said
Dr SEUs Shell Silverstein sometimes, Um, that's what my agency
told me. If it doesn't rhyme, it's not a poem.
What what is? Like? The most mainstream thing is deaf

(04:55):
poetry jam. The most mainstream slam death poetry. Slam him. Fuck.
I don't know my tattoo is wrong because that's the
that's where my mind immediately goes as death poetry. The
most mainstream that like poetry has broken through in the past.
Like I guess, like the most mainstream would be like

(05:16):
button poetry. Have you heard of it? It's like button button,
who's got the button? Yeah, it's just a man with
a bunch of buttons. It's like they like would go
to like poetry sims and record poets and then like
make viral videos out of that animate them or something. Yeah,
and then maybe like three minutes of a thing. So
that'd be like the I guess like the most mainstream thing.

(05:37):
I don't know, Yeah, deaf poetry jam is like I
think it dead. I think I think it's like they're
like trying to bring it back. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know,
onto the next thing, to the next thing, the next Well,
we're thrilled to have you, and we're going to get
to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
we are going to tell our listeners a few of
the things we're talking about today, such as the fact

(05:58):
that Punked and singled Out are coming back on mobile
on an app you can't download yet called quimby or
Quick Keep Keep By, Bye bye bye whatever, And if
you search the name of it right now, you get
the Bible quiz. Yeah in the app store. Oh like
que be like quiz Bible. Yes, I would do pretty

(06:21):
good on that. I think we're gonna just check in
with President on his trip to the u k. How
he's dealing with the feedback he's getting from the British people. Uh.
We're going to talk about the government uh being able
to shut down the internet or governments around the world
being able to shut down the internet. Uh. We're gonna

(06:41):
talk about whether Nancy Pelosi is playing nine D chess
or ten D chess. We're gonna talk about whether town halls,
these televised town halls that Democratic candidates are doing, whether
they're actually like affecting whether they have a shot at
the nomination or not. There's a new report out it's
a civilization is going to collapse by We're gonna talk

(07:04):
about that. So no need to deal with climate change. Yeah, no,
it's because of climate change. Yeah, but I'm saying because
it's gonna end like who cares, right, because that's what
that's But I feel like that's the effect of all
these articles have on people like you. Keeping I don't know, man,
my sense of like creeping nihilism just like, uh, not
that we personally feel like there's nothing to do with it,
but I feel like there's a subconscious effect if you're

(07:26):
constantly being fed a diet of like the world's gonna end.
Yeah you said that, and I was like, oh, thank god, right, yeah,
but it's gonna be really bad, Like it's not gonna
be like, it's not gonna be tight. Yeah, it's not
gonna be tight, or it's not gonna be like an
asteroid comes and like takes us out one day. It's
gonna be like, uh, you know resources, not the town,

(07:49):
the road, town, south, the southeast, inherit the earth. Yeah,
it's going to be like the road, which is where
my mind immediately goes anytime people are talking about change,
because I have kids now, so I'm like, oh, yeah, um,

(08:10):
that's what I say, mother, mother, motherfuck. Well, these kids
are gonna slow me down the apocalypse. And that's exactly
I gotta po We're running from marauders. We gotta get
to Buston, we gotta get to Southie. Um. And then finally,

(08:31):
just thinking of the gatekeepers trying to enter South Buston,
what are you looking for a pal please? We need food,
Patriots for life or what who's the greatest socks player
ship named three Bruins. You know, Bill Buckner was like
a great baseball player, the dude who let the ball

(08:53):
go through his legs. Really yeah, he was like a
really great but we only know him. We only know
him as the dude to let the ball go to
whoop seed and seeing that would get you access to
the Kingdom, right, because the post apocalypse is going to
be like the town, and also like the town in
that there are no helicopters because if you introduce police

(09:17):
helicopters to that movie, it doesn't make anything anymore, right,
Like we got to get to the bridge. The cops
can't follow us into South. It's not like they have that. Uh.
And also we're gonna talk about a weird YouTube trend,
just weird. But first, Melissa, we like to ask our guests,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are? Um? Okay, so two things inter related.

(09:40):
The first is I was on a plane and I
searched can you bring vitamins on a plane? And that
was followed up by acute radiation poisoning? Um, yeah, I've
been watching Chernobyl. Yeah, And then I was like, well,
these vitamins get radiation and then radiation poison Yeah, and

(10:01):
that's that's not true. It's not I mean, I don't know.
I never found out some you know that flight attendants
get radiation poisoning just from being closer to the sun. Yeah,
really yeah, just from being above the clouds all that time.
They get like they slowly get radiation poisoning in ore,
like a certain percent like a small percentage, but enough

(10:21):
for it to be noticeable. Statistically, they're more likely to
die from certain types of cancer because they're closer to
the sun. Wow. Yeah, lesson to us all. Yeah, by
the way, that was my response to you saying you
watched Chernobyl was the most cheerful anybody's been about that show,
because everyone's like when they tell me to watch it, like,

(10:44):
fucking head, dude, just watch it. It's so good, but
it's so up. It's really fucked up. I was listening
to the accompanying podcast, Yeah, Radiation Poison for Life was it?
It's all real Soviet Union. Um yeah, it's like really

(11:04):
I talked about this on Ethnically ambigu As yesterday too. Yeah,
I'm like obsessed with it. Yeah, yeah, the Chernobyl podcast.
If you're going to listen to another podcast, which I
don't recommend, but if you have to, that's a good
one to check out if you're watching that show. What
is something you think is overrated? Um? Something I think
is overrated lately as like inspirational language, especially like coming

(11:27):
out of the poetry world. Everything is like do you
and yourself? Are you a woman of the world? Um?
I was just at this conference when this woman was like, everybody,
stand up, close your eyes and think of a woman
who was dead and and talk to this woman. Do
you talk to this woman the way you talk to yourself?
And then she was like I tricked you into loving yourself. Um.

(11:51):
It was just like creepy and scary and yeah, I
feel like it's just like dead dead to me. The
same thing as like yeah, wait, so what do you
mean this is go a wave right now? It's like
a trend in that in the in the poetry world
of like being mad inspirational, Yeah, being like mad inspirational,
or like the same thing where it's like it's just
like empty words, like saying like representation matters, when really

(12:12):
you're just saying like, oh I hope people who look
like me. You're telling me to shop at Target, you know, like, yeah,
performative wokens what Yeah, that's miles of new character woke by.
But that's good initiate virtue signaling sequence. But yeah, I
I do feel like America especially gets on this sort

(12:36):
of positivity for the sake of positivity kick, whereas other
countries are like I'm said today, and that's because something
is making me sad and that is appropriate to the
situation sometimes, or just addressing the conditions that are bringing
about these things, like where it's like, oh no, no,
don't worry about your dad. Just fucking read this T

(12:57):
shirt right, Yeah, it's unhelpful. Yeah, you can't have happiness
without I. Um, I don't know without without I, or
it's just happiness even I Ness, man, think about it.
It's like your highness Wow, wow, dang you guys. You

(13:20):
guys are both poets highness, thank you, Dang. Are there
any like because I feel like inspirational poetry is has
a huge presence on Instagram. Are there any poets who
are popular on Instagram that you actually respect or any
good uses of poetry on Instagram or social media? Yeah?

(13:43):
I mean I think like Instagram is cool and that
it's like a good way to get yourself out there
and like get your work out there, um and whatever.
In the capitalist engine, it's hard to it's hard to
do that. Um, so it's a good way to hustle,
I guess. Um. But because of that, it kind of like,

(14:05):
you know, there's like a weird commodification of like clicks
and likes, right, and it begins to pervert the art. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um,
but yeah, I would say there's a like, you know, Yesica,
she's um l a bass she's pretty cool. Yeah, and
she put their poetry on yeah, all of her stuff
on Instagram. Yeah. Uh. What is something you think is underrated? Um?

(14:30):
I was thinking, I really I don't know how Okay, Like,
would you rather questions I think are underrated? Yeah? Um
yeah like parties? Yeah, I think you just like find
out a lot about a person. Yeah, hit me with one. Um, okay,
would you rather um, Okay, this one's like weird, this

(14:52):
one's extremely involved. Um, would you rather have no dietary
issues at all but just poop for one day? The
whole day? You poop all day? Um, but the poop
like slides out of your neck, or you have no
dietary but you like don't have any dietary issues. You

(15:13):
just don't have to poop ever, and that's one day
a year. Yeah, it's one day a year. You like
schedule it one day that the only time you pooper.
Do you poop regularly the rest of the year, you
don't don't at all? Okay? Yeah okay? Or or or
you just remain the same, same dietary issues, same whatever. Wow,
I realized my gastro intestinal privilege because I typically don't

(15:37):
have dietary issues. Well, actually, I can't eat pizza when
I'm drinking because the acidity and tomato ste makes me vomit.
So you're one of poison me offer me pizza when
I'm drunk. But I know so much about you. Yeah,
you know what part of me? I like the most
revealing things. I like to pop. I like to pop,
I know. Yeah, So one day, like out my neck,

(15:57):
I need minutes every day watching you. When you say
out of your neck, it's coming out of like up here,
like a gill through your mail. Or do you have
ship guilt? I guess I guess it's a ship guilty.
The science of it. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing that one. Yeah,
well really yeah, I would love to do full day

(16:17):
ship guiling that you can schedule. It doesn't just like
happen out of nowhere. You can't then think about that
like you never have like you never have a situation
where you're like, right, oh, then I wouldn't mind camping
at Coachella, right yeah, right, Okay, But here's the thing.
What if like something important was coming up, like someone's wedding,
but you had already like scheduled your ship day what

(16:40):
I mean, yeah, that wedding. Yeah, I don't like weddings.
Or you'd be like, guys, I'm going to be in
the bathroom the whole time I am here. Just do
not come in here, right because you'll see something that
will actually completely change your world. That would be amazing. Yeah,
make it happen like this. That's that was a good
brain exercise, right, yeah exactly, Like what limits will you

(17:02):
go to? Yeah? But I think I think generally I
would have a bias towards always like doing something weird
to change in my life, just because like I don't
know that I'm a seeker, you know, Um, so I
mean not to just to take this completely somewhere else.
But there's a website called Conversation Starters World and they

(17:23):
have a collection of the best would you rather questions? Really,
I would like to read. Would you rather lose the
ability to read? Or lose the ability to speak? Heard
from the booth? From the booth, there was a groan,
but he scheduled his shoes. Yeah, he's having a digestive.

(17:46):
So for you lose ability to read a losing that
he speaks, Oh my god, to learn, you end your
ability to learn, or end your ability to express yourself. Basically,
can I like is writing like? Can I like? They
can't communicate? If you can't read the you definitely can't write.
But if I can't speak, can I still write? No,
you could speak and then maybe someone will can dictate.

(18:06):
If you want to hack thing, I think you can
hack this because I think the text to speech applications
are going to be getting better and better. So now
you're going to have the robot thing. But you cannot
live in the modern world without being able to read. Okay,
how about this? Would you rather be covered in fur?
Covered in scales? M hm um for because then you

(18:28):
could remove it? What do you mean you could like
skin removal with laser search. So you're just you're just
looking to hack all these ships you're not even looking at. So, like,
have you seen wolf Girl where she performing it? It's
like movie with Tim Curry, but it's about this girl

(18:49):
who like her like Gypsy mother. It's like very fucked up.
She like drops her off at a carnival because she's
covered in fur. She's like a freak. Then she grows
up and she's like wolf Girl in the carnival. And
then she meets this like skinny white man who's like
really gross, but he falls in love with her and
he's like, oh, by the way, my mother is a
scientist and she is like coming up with a cure

(19:10):
for people like you. And then she takes it without
letting him know. But the more she takes it, the
more feral she gets. She becomes like a beautiful, like
naked woman, but she's like a wildish. She don't work clothes,
she'd be eating rost. Clearly somebody's fetish. Yeah, that was
just working man, Like what if Janet was just like

(19:31):
a fucking animal and she was just had for fun. Bill,
I'm your assistant and I can hear you out loud.
I'm sorry anyway, be covered in what is a myth?
What's something people think is true? You know to be false?
By the way, great underrated. That was a lot of fun.

(19:51):
Um Oh man, wait what is it? What is something?
It's just anything that you think most people think is
one way that's the other way. Okay. Can I do
a thing that I think is like a theory kind
of like okay, okay, I have a theory that um
uh okay, what was that? The Earth is flat? And
I feel you ever think about the earth? Yeah, nobody

(20:15):
seen the edge. I have a theory that Ariana Grande
is such a good singer because she has no sense
of self and that's why she's like a really good impersonator.
She just like has a really good ear and she's
like that's why she's like it's like pretending to be
like brown. Wow. So she actually has no idea who
she is. She's like, all ears is my my Okay, yeah, wow,

(20:41):
that's you went. You went in her fucking brain right there.
Have you ever read h Yeah, he has a story
uh called I think it's called Shakespeare, but it might
not be, but it's a it's about Shakespeare. And that's
his exact like reading of how Shakespeare became Shakespeare is

(21:01):
he was like a completely empty vessel, and so he
just like pulled in other people's personalities and like just
paid such close attention. It's really interesting because it's like, yeah,
he he just tries to like figure out what the
internal life of somebody who was like a millennial genius,
like a once in a millennium genius would be, and

(21:23):
it's like probably a defect of some sort. Yeah. Wow.
So Shakespeare also like Ariana Grande yea, Yeah, I mean
Ariana Grande, the Shakespeare of the modern world. Yeah, yes,
So that my guess. That's interesting though. But that's interesting
to think of, like how you're because she's really amazing

(21:44):
at doing impersonations and things, and then but her as
herself seems like a version of a person. She thinks
a cipher. Yeah, because I remember, like very early on
her career, I did an interview with her and I
wasn't sure if I was talking to like actually her
the whole time. I was like, I can't nail her down.
Did you ask her the question? Is Ariana in the room? Exactly?

(22:06):
I'm like, with Ariana, stand up right, now close your eyes.
I'll talk to her. I just tricked you how to
love yourself. I know. I was like asking her. She's like,
liked like opera and I was like, oh, do you
like the classics? She's like, I love the Pirates of Penzance.
And I was like, okay, cool you. I thought you're

(22:27):
gonna do some touring dot But okay, all right, well ship,
we have figured out Ariana Grande, We have nailed a couple.
Would you rather We're gonna take a quick break. But
I'm just gonna say this show is off to a
great start, guess, and we're back. And uh so the

(22:57):
President Donald Trump is having issues. Uh he's having a
difficult time trying to digest the response he's getting from
the people of London. It seems like because he believes,
uh that the people when they're booing him are actually cheering.
That's what he said, dozens of people cheering me on

(23:18):
his didn't didn't you say that? Like Fox was also saying,
like when Ivanka stepped out, they were like, oh, they're
they're not booing her. Everyone is like in full court
press denial mode, right right, because like when it comes
to Trump, the projects that are actually well wishers, and
they say, there's that's fake news. Cut to all this

(23:40):
footage of all all y'all Londoners out in full force
flying the Trump blimp, baby blimp and ship. Everything has
only shown they do not want you there. They think
you are a disgrace because they have eyes and morals
and they made Brexit happen. Yeah, and they still are
like what about this, dude? But yeah, And then on
Fox and Friends there was a moment where Ivanka was

(24:03):
like leaving with John Bolton, like from ten Downing Street
and there are people who could see down there. The
second should come out booze. But Brian kill Amede, I mean, look,
he knows it's the president's favorite show. He probably knew
Daddy was watching. So he's like, I have to fucking
spin this so I don't actually acknowledge that maybe she's
also reprehensible that I'll play the clip for you just
you can hear the mind twisting that Brian Kilmed had

(24:25):
to do. Again, comes Bunk and John Baldwin, uh and
some security the National Security Advisor and Ivanka Trump walking
across together. It does and it's not for a Vanka's
for John Balton he loves it. Fucking take that. I

(24:49):
eat that ship. Oh I'm sorry, I eat booze for breakfast.
Keep him coming like moons deep hated, disgusted that it
was like Bassie too, like are people hitting tones? I
have not heard? Yeah, And it's funny because when she
first comes out, like you could hear her process that
there were people making sounds, and I think she's used
to cheering most of the time, so she kind of

(25:10):
like sort of pepped up and then with that boo
wave hit her face kind of just turned a little bit,
but she still try to keep her you know, pageant
queen vibe up. And it's John Bolton and he loves it,
you know, because he lives on a steady diet of
self loathing. Yes, So is that the continuation of that sentence?
I love? Yeah. I mean because Fox knew, like what

(25:32):
you're hearing, there's probably what's going on in Trump's head
where he's like he loves it. So this is actually
good things. Actually he's dunking on them right. Um, he
was somehow stuffed at the rim, but I turned that
into a dunk. So let's talk about this is something
that we talked about after the terror attack in Sri

(25:53):
Lanka that their government had actually shut down the Internet
for a day or at least shut down Facebook and
social media. And at first I was like, that's probably
a good thing because Facebook has spread like so much
disinformation and hate and caused genocides in some cases. But

(26:14):
apparently this is becoming a go to move for governments,
like specifically autocracies, and because you you in inhibit their
ability to organize probably when you take away social media.
So it is a board story. Yeah, So worldwide, Bloomberg
is reporting that shutdowns of all or part of the

(26:37):
Internet in countries rose to a hundred and eighty eight
government interventions in the last year, up from seventy five
and two thousand sixteen. So, um, I don't know, man,
that's that's scary because you know, it hasn't happened in
the US. But like you kind of think, oh, well,

(26:57):
they'd never get away with shutting down the internet the USA,
But like how would how would they not get away
with it? Who would catch them? The media? Who's not
who's on the internet? Yeah, how are you going to
get them? You're gonna go to your local news stand
and uh yeah, I mean all it's gonna take is
who knows if like goes south for Trump, and like,

(27:20):
you know, a lot of people suspect it's going to
be a shaky transition of power. What kind of weird
ship could happen then, you know, I mean it's uh.
And also when you think of a lot of it too,
like as people become more and more disillusioned and disenfranchised
by capitalism, you are going to see people take up
to take to the streets to exercise their power to

(27:42):
be like, Okay, I get it. One percent of you'all
own this ship, but there's of us and we're fucking angry,
and I'm gonna take your ship now. But I can
see the Internet shutting down then too, or it's like
um yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh. This came up over
the weekend because Google Cloud went down I think for

(28:04):
other reasons, not because the government was shutting it down,
but just testing if they could shut it. People were
wondering if this was the government like testing a kill switch.
Do you guys like back everything up? No, I back
every website I go to up on a hard drive.

(28:24):
That would be excessive. I only back that thing. Yeah,
everything on hard drives, everything on old c ds. You
know what I mean, CDR WS, CDR W plus is
you know what I mean? Um, you know, oddly enough,
I just don't take care of a lot of my media,
Like everything is so transient to me. I'm like, am
I really gonna look at photos that I took three

(28:45):
years ago? Probably not, because half the time I'm just
taking photos of dumb ship that like I'll never be
like gather around kids. This is when Junip played at
Outside Lands. Jose Gonzalez's voice would haunt me. It's like
a Swedish what's that guy's name? Who's who's saying you
got a friend? James Taylor? O, God, yeah, James Taylor

(29:08):
saying you got a friend in me. He's saying a
version of you you got down in a need. That
was my eighth grade graduation song. We wanted it to
be Saved Tonight by Eagle Light Cherry and the schools
like that blasphemous We're going to fight the break of dawn.
Save Tonight was like the controversial thing. You know, everyone

(29:31):
was like, it's got to be safe to eighth grade
graduations a whack as fuck. Just a backstory, Remember I
told you the person whose whole personality was the sugar
Ray video Fly was shot at my godmother's back. Here
she led the charge on making safe tonight grade graduation song. Wow, hero,

(29:52):
my god, I'm sorry I interrupted you the worm Now
it's okay. I was just going to ask them, like
Lulu thing, which was like, do you think her like
children are going to be as like curious about like
our pictures as we are about our parents and my parents,
And you're like, oh, ship got the like yeah right there,
Like dad had a six pack. Yeah, there wasn't bullshit
in the food. And also we're doing cocaine. Yeah, yeah,

(30:15):
cocaine was good. Was a diet. We called him pet pills.
It was math. I think so because I think we
always have a fascination with our parents. We only know
our parents as like these Disney creatures that we make
like perfect or whatever. Unless you know, however you're raised,
he might come to the realization they're not perfect. But
I think on some level every kid always wants to

(30:36):
kind of know, like what was life like before I
fucked it all up? According to what you say when
you and like the thought experiment of like if I
ran into my dad, he was my age should be tight?
Would I like him? Yeah? Would would he be tight?
Would he be tight? Would he not like? Would I
would my dad try to like flirt with me? Oh wow,

(30:59):
here's some Artie mcflish. Well, that is actually the thought
experiment that led to the writing of Back to the Future.
The writer like had the thought would I like, what
if I could go to high school with my dad?
Would I get in a way like would my mom
be like I'm actually feeling this dude, right, And I'm like,
you're my mom? But whoa incons recreated the thought process

(31:25):
that led to Back to the Future. Yeah, yeah, I
do wonder though, because there's going to be so much
more video and chi yeah, and like content that's been created,
you know, like they'll be like I found your YouTube channel, Dad.
I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, that's
still I thought YouTube died in the franchise Wards. I

(31:47):
could disappear tomorrow. My kids would have plenty of me
to yeah deal with. There's plenty algorithmsdcast. They could take
a bunch of material from Cracked whatever this podcast and
create a yeah, like a machine learned version of you. Yeah,
like that Black Mirror episode. Good Black Mirror. Yeah, well
that was a company that was saying, like you could
take emails and social media stuff and then like create

(32:09):
a chatbot that would at least mimic your the way
you spoke and like the ship so you wouldn't hear
a voice, but you could just log on and be like,
I uploaded my dad's emails to this, and now I
could talk to the email. That was how the black
Mirror your what's black Mirror? Um, it's a black superhero.
Oh the dude who got bit by the radioactive mirror. Uh?

(32:33):
All right, let's talk about Nancy Pelosi, a black guy
who got bit black. Uh. Uh So there's a pharmaceutical
bill she's touting, uh that would help solve runaway drug pricing. Yeah.
I mean, look, she's got a bill right on the surface,

(32:55):
we're talking about things that will help people, that will
that will move of this society into a place where
we're not treating people as if their profits. I think
the Internet will get shut down when we're on the
way to having that moment. Anyway. Uh So, the deal is,
this is a new bill that's basically empowers the Health

(33:16):
and Human Services Secretary to negotiate lower drug prices for
what they say, at least twenty five prescription drugs each year,
and if the negotiation is unsuccessful, uh, like another office
would then be allowed to set a price closer to
the typical amount that is being charged in other countries,
because obviously, like we have the most lidy prices for
pharmaceuticals that you should go broke if you have asthma

(33:39):
or diabetes. So it sounds fine, but when you look
at who the funk the HHS secretary is, Alex Aser.
He is a former drug company exact and pharma lobbyist,
So what the funk is he going to do to
negotiate with his home He's like, yeah, bro, they sent
me to negotiate with y'all. What do you wanna do?
Raise a five? Let's do it. Um. So that's why

(33:59):
I've were like, what the funk is this bill? Like
it's really doesn't make sense. It's like just based on
the environment we're in right now, this would not help anybody.
And now, and I think it was in the New
Republic or No Mother Jones, um, this one opinion writer
was saying like, well, this could be something a little
more forward thinking now, you know, like we like on

(34:21):
the surfaces, you're like, this is a non deal, Like
this doesn't even make sense, why would this happen? But
what if a Democrat wins and it's in the White
House and then the new administration would already have a
law in place that would allow the new HHS Secretary
to renegotiate drug prices and you don't need a fucking
single Republican vote to do it. And then because right now,

(34:46):
I mean, at worst prices won't change right with this
with this HHS secretary, or probably could go up um
and then at best maybe goes down a little. But
if this is already signed into law, then you have
a stealthy way to just sort of get your new
plans in motion once somebody takes a White House. So
that's why some people like, is this nine D chess
or is this terrible fucking governance where you're just trying

(35:07):
to work with this government with this administration who probably
won't help anybody um and give them a win. But
I think, you know, it's interesting to sort of consider
like what is going on, like what what is really
the deal here with this bill? And I think GOP
Congress people are kind of onto it. Because they're not
exactly supporting the bill because I think they can see
it could be a set up move for a little

(35:29):
pharma checkmate. But you know, I don't have really I
don't really have much hope or faith when it comes
to set the drug prices. Pharmaceutical executives will just change
things for our good their own, with only themselves over
overseeing the process. They're like lower costs, Um, do you

(35:50):
know how much it costs to heat my marble floors?
Fuck off? I mean, this is a question that people
had about Nancy Pelosi when it comes to impede, like
whether she's slow rolling things because she knows that there's
going to be an impeachment, but she wants to like
draw out all the facts or comes from a place
a pair of privileges and completely out of touch of

(36:11):
the existential threat that this administration faces people who aren't
like her, or there's that too, I don't know. Yes,
being casual, it's like, oh, we can do it at
the ballot box, like really telling these black and brown people,
these LGBTQ people, these every everybody else who is looking
down the barrel of a gun constantly and be like yeah,
I can wait till November, right, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

(36:31):
thank you, Maybe stay on until then. Yeah, And that's
thinking of like even now with like those ICEED attentions
ICEED detainees, or that that internal memo came out basically
them saying a lot of these depths were preventable Jesus,
and then that there were kids left advance for like
thirty nine hours and ship trying to reunite with their families,
Like ship is fucked up and we're trying to That's

(36:52):
why it's a On one hand, I wish she could
at least communicate that she understands the the existential threat
that's posed and be like, I'm not saying it's not
important what I need to do. I'm just trying to
let y'all know we have to get this is what
I'm thinking. But then again, that's political strategicy that she
probably don't want to, you know, show her hand. But
I think, you know, the cries for impeachment are growing

(37:12):
louder and louder, and even like even in leadership, like
you have people basically coming up being like, yeah, I
think in peachment is inevitable, like James C said that, Yeah, yeah,
I mean it needs to happen. We will see all right. Well,
speaking of and that election, the town halls with that
you know CNN and Fox News are doing with the

(37:35):
thirty different candidates, people who have thrown their hat in
the ring for president. Yeah, I mean they've been kind
of the main way that people have shown their face
to to the American public. And apparently people have not
seen anything that's really changed how they were thinking up
to that point in these because uh, a poll was

(37:58):
just released. The found that their approval ratings are like
how they're doing in the polls hasn't really changed at
all from before to after their town halls. Yeah, there's
not like a lot of people were like, oh man, yeah,
I get in front of a different audience. This will
probably help, This will help. And Washington Post did pretty
thorough analysis and they said the biggest impact for anybody

(38:23):
with polling numbers came from campaign announcements. Like that's when
they saw bumps or people that like very interested. A
town hall aired and they're like yeah, like okay, something's
on TV. It's the field is just so crowded and
like when it comes to like some of these uh,
not lesser, but lesser no, we'll call him lesser candidates. Uh.
People just if you're not fully engaged with that candidate,

(38:45):
like chances are you're not tuning in for because it's
there's too much noise right now. Um. But the people
who did kind of get bumps were people who were
like at the higher end, like the Biden sanders Is
of the world. They got bumps from there a little
bit like a town hall no no, no, I mean
I'm sorry more mostly Kamala Harris, Karma Harris and Bernie Sanders, um,

(39:07):
and so you know, those things had a slight effect,
but nothing where they'd be like, hey, that was a
good move you did that town hall because that helped here.
The only person who was actually an exception was pe Bud.
He kind of went because that first basically town hall
like made people be like, oh, who's this guy? Yeah,
I feel like I kicked off the whole media wave.
Yeah it did. And his Twitter they showed there was

(39:28):
a graph of his Twitter interactions like the day after
it's a hockey stick like it goes. So that helped him.
But then there are other people like you know, Christian
Jilibrand she just had one and had like an interesting
moment on Fox, like dunking on Fox, and those are
like the moments you hope for. But we don't know.
There hasn't been pulling in the wake of that town hall,

(39:50):
so we don't know how much that helped her. But
I know she's still struggling to get like to qualify
for debates. Yeah, I mean, I don't Television is a
bad way to who find information. Like people aren't going
to tune in unless they just want to see more
of what they already like about the person. So I
get worried about people who only tune into TV to

(40:10):
find information to you know. Yeah, I think for this
to be a big swing, it would have to be
with people who like have tuned in or are deciding
to tune into like all twenty town halls and then
like make their decision. And that's just like the internet exists.
We can just go read articles about these people. We

(40:31):
don't need to, right. It's funny and also too, I
wonder if subconsciously, like when you turn on the TV,
like if you're already putting yourself and like I'm going
into a world of wonder and fantasy where like that
it works on you because normally just there for entertainment.
So then suddenly when you're looking at like images of
things that should move you, you're like, that's a weird show. Yeah,

(40:52):
you don't have to interact with it the way you
do with like the internet. Yeah, it's a fully passive medium. Yeah, yeah, totally, um,
but it at the same time, it can be hugely influential.
But I think it it's sort of the overall like
with Trump, the fact that he got like triple the
coverage of any other Republican candidate. You know, that's a

(41:14):
over time and the fact that it was just so overwhelming,
Like the the preponderance of TV coverage does influence people. Yeah,
I just feel like a single appearance is not gonna
swing things. So it's got to be frustrating to be
like number sixteen through number six through twenty. Yeah. Well

(41:38):
that's why I think maybe the debate stage will change things.
You know, when you see people like call each other out.
I mean, I don't know how deep. We're not quite
into mud mud time yet, but I have a feeling
when you start comparing people on stage side by side,
that will probably help people a little bit more to
be like, oh, you know, what actually when I put
this person next to this person, I don't like that

(41:59):
one someone. Mud time is the one day year that
you mud time. Guys, what a terrible time for beato
Arour to choose for this to be his mud time
on the debate stage. Could not get an answer in
poll numbers in the toilet, could not hear him through
his ship guilt, couldn't articulate one answer. What a bad choice?

(42:25):
And what would you do about the family separation? Okay, okay,
what about you, Bernie? Yeah, we we still are not
at the point in the two thousand and sixteen election
where Trump entered the race. So that's also worth keeping
in mind that the winning candidate had not yet entered

(42:46):
the race in our last presidential election. All Right, we're
gonna take another quick break. We'll be right back, and
we're back, and so are punked and single out Baby,

(43:09):
single out, um Man, singled out. We were just thinking
about the fact that it was hosted by Chris Hardwick
and Jenny McCarthy. Yeah, yeah, just like two of the Yeah,
they're problematic figures. They're two people who probably wouldn't be
asked to host now, even for Nostalgia's sake, they be

(43:31):
like yeah, yeah, but um I remember singled Out. I
loved it because I was only like twelve or some
ship at the time. I didn't know what was going on. Yeah,
and I was just like I like McCarthy, yeah, like
in conjunction with next or like same philosophy? What is it?

(43:51):
Oh much worse? It was a TV sound stage and
there would be one person and they would bring a
group of a hundred like extras out and then they
would like narrow it down by like fifty right. It
was almost like family, right, yeah, like do you like

(44:12):
salty or sweet? And like people who chose salty would
all be eliminated and then there would be like fifty
left and they'd keep like eliminating people and it was yeah,
I don't know, it was like didn't care because you
couldn't see them, like it was always like then they
would be like and this is the person you matched
up with, and they're like, oh sentient, maga hat thank you. Um,

(44:36):
but yeah, it's coming back, uh, just because you know,
I I heard the calls of my generation demanding singled
and punked, come back and get ready all because it's
coming back to one of the I mean the most
sought after platforms quite quick quick quick quick, be quieby
quite by quiet quigon gin like are these real? Word?

(44:58):
Like what? Ye oh? Man? Naming a startup is like
fucking god? Can you imagine people like the marketing people
who are like, like, you gotta call mark man. He
came up with Twitter, Quibi, Zonias, and Bell Vericos fans.
I don't know, so this one named Vera he named them.

(45:20):
But yeah, this one is going to be on queebie.
And but the thing is, it's like a mobile only
platform and each each shows you get twenty episodes that
are under ten minutes in length. Yes, so this is
filling a need that we were all begging for somebody
to come in and fill another video platform just for phone,
just for phone, this one just for phone and YouTube

(45:42):
link TV shows. We were all thinking that. We're all
thinking that because I'm a baby boomer, CEO is seven
years behind of what's actually happening, and no one who
works for me tells me the truth because they don't
want to get fired. So I continue to tank my
multibillion dollar company into the ground. Um, but it's not
even live as of this recording. Uh to go to

(46:04):
the website. It's like it's a partnership between Jeffrey Katzenberg
and Meg Whitman. Jeffrey Kattenberg is a huge you know,
Hollywood mover and shaker and Meg Whitman. Who's that again? Oh?
She remember she ran for governor in California and I
had to organize a few different protests actions against her.

(46:26):
Yeah she was. She was like, I was the CEO
of Hewlett Packard and now I'm here to fuck your
state up. And yeah, I remember there was a thing
we did with a bunch of nurses, like a nurses association,
where everybody wore Meg Whitman wigs. Yeah. This wasn't even
for his job working in the lobbying industry. And this

(46:46):
is just Miles when he gets pissed at somebody, I
just put a wig on, put my wigs on, call
up my nurse gang, and we come before you. That's
why we're gonna be at the eye Hoop on sunset
this Sunday. Please join us for action against this terrible,
terrible company. Stop playing with us. Um. But yeah, the
thing that this reminds me of, because I was in
a was working on a content thing with a partnership

(47:09):
with Jeffrey Katzenberg and Verizon, and it was yeah, they
were like it was really bit and big on go ninety.
The ship did not go there was also it didn't
even go one. It didn't even go one. Uh to
the left Samsung's milk video. Do you remember that? Oh
my god, that's right. Yeah. So this happens like almost annually.

(47:33):
There's like a big, you know, boatload of just like
a cruise ship full of money pulls up to Los
Angeles and it's just like, we're gonna do a proprietary
video platform and like you guys start making videos for it,
and then a bunch of talented creative people like make
a bunch of content and it goes onto this platform

(47:55):
that immediately like goes under right, and it's like, if
you're not a Verizon customer, how the funk? No one
gives a funk about going ninety. So like they just
don't think of how these media environments even work, which
is why I go back to this idea of like
these super out of touch old dudes making deals. Me like, yeah,
this is the future, you know how I know I

(48:17):
thought of something, So yeah, that's my that's the hook,
I'm hanging my ship on The Digi Day article says,
don't bet against Jeffrey Katzenberg. Okay, ba okay, bab alright,
bab If it ain't dream Works, I don't know what
is that? Quickly sounds too much like ku lude to me.
Wow quibby, Yeah yeah, it sounds like quibble quibble, Yeah, quaalude.

(48:41):
I think you're just thinking of because you want quaaludes,
which is fine. Evil men in charge? Yeah yeah, right,
this whole thing too, even with punked, right, so they're saying.
The People magazine article about it says now that technology
can really augment reality the upcoming Punk three but promises
to pull the boldest pranks on the biggest stars in Hollywood.

(49:03):
I'm sorry, you're not pulling the boldest pranks on the
biggest stars in Hollywood for ten minutes on a mobile
sunk out of here. You think they're gonna be like, oh, yeah,
I want to be on your platforms an about But
what are they doing like when they're this that line, Now,
the technology can really augment reality, Like what are they
fucking thinking? Like faking people? Yeah, they're like, oh, I
found this sex tape with your dad I was fucked up.

(49:27):
You were punk? Now, like your dad is such a
creepy word. Yeah, why choose that one, ch Um, Well,
if you think that is going to bring about the
collapse of civilization, I've got a new report that says
it's not gonna happen. That's not a good way to

(49:49):
talk about this story. Uh. So, a scientist and a
former energy executive have drawn on a type of analysis
called system analysis and basically say that catastrophic consequences are
more likely than most people assume from climate change, and
they're unavoidable without an immediate World War two level mobilization

(50:13):
of all the forces within like all of the countries, uh,
starting yesterday, starting uh to alter the trajectory of like
the global economy. Um. But they're basically saying that all
these different things, you know, like half a degree more
and like there will be more storms, and like all

(50:34):
these things are gonna build on each other, and uh,
you know, systems require a bunch of things to stay
stable for for them to operate properly, and so the
second you start like adding instability to those systems, it's
gonna get fucked up. Um. Yeah, yeah, See, if you

(50:54):
if you have boomer parents who don't get it, you'd like, Okay,
I think the environment is like your engine block. Okay,
Now what happens when even if if let's say a
fluid line transmission line goes out, how's the car working?
Oh it's pretty fucked up? Yeah, But to think about
that with the earth never mind. Just smoke your cigar
and where you keep listening to Jimmy Buffett fucking album? Um? Yeah,

(51:19):
I uh yeah, So what I got like twenty years years?
Okay you should I'll be like sixties. Yeah, I'll be seventy.
I'm good with you, quick steel. But you know, yeah,
when you have kids, it's kind of it's like, oh,
you're gonna be just hitting the prime of your life.

(51:42):
That's civilization. That's what fox me up when I think
about having a kid, because I'm like, everything I'm reading
says that child will just like look at a wall
of flame. Um. But you know, I was literally on
the maagin of my seat, like what I was going

(52:02):
to say to put this home? Can feel better about it? Well?
I think honestly, you know, you'd hope at some level, right,
I feel like at least public sentiment is moving in
the right direct direction and slowly, you know, like the
UK just had like their longest streak of no coal
energy like that that they've ever had. There's all this
incremental ship but like, I don't know, man, Like the

(52:24):
way we've looked at how our modern society works, like
either something has to happen financially for people with the
sun up, or something so fucking horrific that they're gonna
be like maybe we should do something. Because then that's
the problem with climate changes, that it doesn't have that
big horrific event that like everybody can mobilize around, like uh,

(52:46):
you know, Nazism. It's just a gradual like boiling frog
scenario where things just get worse and worse. But uh,
you know, this year's only a little bit worse than
last year. It's a lot where twenty years ago. But
we don't really think about that because I'm not true
that one summer in the World Cup, she was like

(53:08):
one nineteen one a couple of days. So that's why
things are getting cooler because last summer when my a
C went out, she was only one fifteen oh, And
that's how I put it into perspective point. Sometimes I
wonder if like socialism can only happen if an apocalypse happens.
Probably Yeah, well again, you know, I think in America, America,
of course, I mean we're the whole world. Yeah, um,

(53:30):
I mean we spend a lot of money to give
socialism and communism. Um and watch like Chernobyl and whatever.
The Soviet Union was like corrupt, but all of those
people were like, yes, I will like go into this
nuclear reactor for my country. Right. Also, communism is not
socialism autocratic and dictatorial right right? Um, Like I was,

(53:53):
I was listening to a podcast from five thirty eight
where they were talking about like whether you know there's
this uh perception that there is this huge right word
movement of uh you know, people going towards autocratic governments
around the world, and they were pointing out that there's
a lot of other examples where people are going towards

(54:16):
like green parties and like the who also tend to
be nationalist. But um, you know, and that makes sense
with this, so I could see things changing, people making
more and more radical changes because things are getting so
dire with with climate change. But uh, that also opens

(54:38):
things up to you know, things changing radically and people
deciding to make a huge right word swing and you
know then then all bets are off. Um, so yeah,
just something to think about. Warm, yeah, exactly, get you yeah,

(54:59):
get your get your vight pen store up on them things, man,
because you have a plan. Did you see that tweet
from the dude who was like, how are they gonna
funk with me? With this bug out bag? And it
was like forty guns and someone was like, well, you're
gonna die of thirst because there's no water there. It's
like all these guns and like knives and ship and

(55:21):
like not a single piece of food or drink knives, right, okay, um,
all right, let's talk about what a creepy place. YouTube
is the creepiest fucking ship, I mean, wigged me. Then
we talked a lot about how you know, you'll go
on a video being like I just want to see

(55:41):
liberals owning Trump and suddenly that is a good impression
to me. Yeah yeah, okay um, and then it like
you'll end up on some weird dark ship or how
typically people just want to start off like watching debate
videos and suddenly you're getting red pilled on like the
al right, YouTube world. So there was a study being
done when this Harvard researcher was like sort of looking

(56:02):
at the effects of YouTube, like specifically in Brazil, and
there was this mom who, like her ten year old daughter,
had uploaded a video of of like this, her daughter,
ten year old and her friends like playing in like
out of pool or something. And her daughter was like,
oh my god, the videos I got like two thousand
views and she's like, Okay. Then like a couple days
I was like videos four hundred thousand views and she's like,

(56:23):
what the funk y'all are just playing? This is not
even a long clip. This is not even good content,
is this? So come to find out, the people who
are watching it, we're not uh fans of home videos. Yeah,
this is not four in a thousand of your extended family. This.
These people were being like, we're getting there because of
the algorithm. Now, the whole thing is that from this

(56:45):
article says YouTube's automated recommendation system, which drives most of
the platforms billions of views by suggesting what users should
watch next, had begun showing the video to users who
watched other videos of prepubescent, partially clothed children. A team
of researchers has found so the algorithm is purely operating
on like what you like? You like that, Here's more
of that, here's more of that. Okay, what can I

(57:05):
tangently find this kind of like that? Okay, chew on that,
and then you end up going to this dark ass place.
So the sometimes people aren't even look starting off watching
young children videos again, it's it says that a user
who watches Arati videos might be recommended videos of women
who became conspicuously younger, and then women who posed provocatively

(57:26):
in children's clothes. Eventually, some users might be presented with
videos of girls as young as five or six wearing
bathing suits or getting dressed or doing a split on
its own. Each video might be perfectly innocent, a home movie, say,
made by a child, any revealing frames or fleeting and
a peer accidental, but grouped together, their shared features become unmistakable.
So what they did, all these people are like, okay,

(57:46):
we need to this can just be a coincidence. Let's
fucking do run experiment. They worked this algorithm thousands of
times to just understand what is going on, like how
are we getting from point A to point B? And
they just saw exactly how is functioning. When they and
this is again from the article quote. When they followed
recommendations on sexually themed videos, they noticed something they say
disturbed them. In many cases, the videos became more bizarre

(58:09):
or extreme and placed greater emphasis on youth. Videos of
women discussing sex, for example, sometimes led to videos of
women in underwear or breastfeeding, sometimes mentioning their age nineteen eighteen,
even sixteen. Some women's solicited donations from sugar daddies or
hinted at private videos. After a few clicks, some played
more overtly pre pubescence, uh posing in children's clothing from
their YouTube would suddenly begin recommending videos of young and

(58:31):
partially clothed children than a near endless stream of them
drawn primarily from Latin America and Eastern Europe. So when
they ask YouTube for comment, this is what they said.
It's not clear to us that necessarily our recommendation engine
takes you in one direction or another when it comes
to kids. We just want to take a much more
conservative stance for what we recommend. That's it. So they
basically just shrugged, I don't know, No, I don't think

(58:53):
it's a problem. Is it's just this is the kind
of this is that runaway tech knowledges and they're like, hello,
you're serving Like a lot of the times too, there
could be kids put their social media handles and videos
because they they're mimicking what they see influencers do. And
then suddenly, now predators on the internet can contind you
and begin grooming you. YouTube as a social media platform. Yeah,

(59:17):
so this is like the the response was so lack luster.
They've been like wow, all they said it was like,
we don't think it goes one way or another. I mean,
look at all the people who say if people are
getting radicalized through YouTube videos people, and then you come
to this, it's like there is a rabbit hole effect
that you're creating. And they also hate that term, like, oh,

(59:37):
we don't like to say rabbit hole. We'd like to
say bunny bunny, bunny pitting the floor that you go
down and then when you come on the other side,
it's all fucked type. But yeah, yeah, I mean this
is you know, it's impossible for them to truly address

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this while maintain profitability because it's not like it's not
like there's a dude somewhere who's like tag this as
like child barely clothed it's just reacting to people clicking
on it from other videos and like seeing that pattern
and identifying it like just algorithmically. And if you needed

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to have enough people like monitoring all these different nations
and all these different videos, uh, you know, YouTube wouldn't
be able to stay in business. So there, and I
mean that's like same deal with Facebook, or they would
be able to stay in business, but they wouldn't be
nearly as pro child views, like for kids using YouTube

(01:00:45):
like innocently like actually kids just watching kids content that
is a huge revenue stream. Oh yeah, so and a
lot of experts like you could just do one thing,
just stop take children's content or anything with kids out
of the algorithm. Just remove that is a thing it
can draw from to suggest videos. Then people aren't gonna
be fucking going there. They're just gonna they'll cycle through

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all the ship that you're leaving in there. But there's
but the but YouTube is like, well there's such a
big traffic driver. It would hurt creators who rely on clicks.
It's just like they're only they're only thinking about their
own money. But meanwhile, you're you have like this soft
weird softcore child pornographers or ship that people who are

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interested in this kind of fucked up ship or not
that the videos themselves are sucked up, but looking at
videos that are not intended for anything other than like
this memory or something to then sexualize these kids or whatever.
I think also to think like there's so many like
prepubescent like kids who think that they're going to be
YouTubers like as a career and like want to be influencers,

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and like, I don't know, it's just like golf feeding
into the same creepy thing. Yeah, yeah, like that's actually
a very common like what do you want to be
when you not like movie star or like best player
in the NBA, but like YouTube influencer because yeah, then
you just live your life on YouTube and everybody loves you.
Or even like talking to younger kids, like you know,

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like kids who are still in school and I'm like,
what what do you want to do? And they're like,
I want to I want to be like a model,
and then they put their time on Instagram Instagram model
and I'm like, god damn, Like yeah, you know, then
people don't do shit, right, But also like but that's
that's who we that's who's exalted in their world of
like these are the top people you know. For me,

(01:02:31):
it was Will Smith. It's telling also maybe like state
of the economy, or like these kids are like this
is how I'm going to get a job, Like this
is how I'm going to make money, and like feed myself.
They're looking at broke millennials like we're the first generation.
Be like, I have to commodify my being because I
have no job, I have no job prospects, so I

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must make myself the product. And then kids are looking
up at that. That's the cool older sister, cool older whoever.
You're like, Okay, modify your being. That's that's that's another
path you can take. So if anything, if for parents
out there, be like make sure your kids aren't if
they're under eighteen, check out what they're uploading to YouTube.

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And also like if you really have videos you want
to share, make them ship's private, and just distribute the
link because then at least that way, it's only people
who you know who have the link are going to
see it. But but this is definitely a potential risk
because YouTube doesn't give a fuck whether whatever the content is.
It could be extremism, it can be things like inappropriate

(01:03:34):
content with kids. It doesn't give a fuck. I mean,
I wonder if the ship is going on on like
Instagram too. I'm sure it is, right. I wonder probably
through the explore page or something. I mean, that's all
algorithmically based, isn't that Like yeah, I'm sure, but I
guess if it doesn't seem like very smart the Instagram algorithm,

(01:03:55):
because like I like the NBA video once and all
I get NBA videos. It just seems like it's kind
of basic maybe compared to the YouTube algorithm. Yeah. Yeah,
it kind of harder to go down a whole in Instagram,
I think, right, yeah, yeah, Well the food ones I
go scroll to. My eyes go dry when I see

(01:04:16):
like cheat melted cheese for whatever reason, I'm like, go on,
I love videos or like they'll make a kiss and
they just lifted up without the cheese, and I'm like, oh,
ship reading and ship people who are just uploading that
for home cooking, Miles, Jesus Christ, you're sick. And then
I go to Tacose Elevanado. It's pretty good. Go there, cool, Melissa,

(01:04:39):
it's been a pleasure of having you. Thanks for having me.
Where can people find you? Um? You can find me
through the algorithm and also Ello Melissa, which is like
Hello Melissa, but without the Melissa exactly from Pirates is

(01:04:59):
it Puppet? Hello, Hello Puppet. Um. You can also listen
to my podcasts, Say More Podcasts with Olivia Gatwood streaming everywhere.
What I'll Do, What I'll do on that podcast. Um,
it's like a conversational podcast. We interview people and things
that they're experts on. So nice. We interviewed Jamie about
corporate feminism and like a doula, someone who worked in

(01:05:20):
gay porn. Yeah nice? What's like all those people you
interviewed Jamie about all those subjects? She's I know, she's
so talented. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh? Um,
I really like this one. Let me see this is
Alex B. Tanner. Why is every single book title things

(01:05:43):
we lost in the fire when we were girls and
we didn't talk about all the things we never told
our mothers the fire? Uh? Miles, where can people find you?
You can find me and follow me on Twitter and
Instagram at Miles of Gray. Two tweets I like. One
is from Reductress and you know thematically ties into what

(01:06:05):
we're talking about this phone from reductor says how to
get over baby fever by remembering the earth is dying. Yeah,
and one more from the onion because it just felt
I've been saying it over and over. It's it's an
image of like this dude in a hoodie like talking
to this woman who looks so disinterested, and it says,

(01:06:25):
man directs full force of anecdote towards single person after
the rest of group moves on to different topic. Which
is a thing, man, when people be hitting you with
that fucking common deer the group talk. I do not
like the no, no, no, when you're just like this
is more for you than anything. You're not trying to
convey any information, right, Like I get it. The dude

(01:06:47):
to Chipotle loves you. Do you want me to just
leave you in here? Sometimes though, you know, people who
do that, they can't actually register that you are talking
shipped back to them. I've noticed when people get on
that ship with like yeah, I'm about they get this
momentum going to go oh yeah, and I are like
are you serious, and like they're like no, I am,

(01:07:09):
and I'm like wow. I wonder if those people become
YouTubers just talking to themselves. That's why they call me
black mirror. They're looking to me and they see whatever
they need see right there. Yeah. Uh Stella Donnelly stand
tweeted can someone write an article on millennials killing the
doorbell industry by texting here? Um and damn and Martha

(01:07:33):
Kelly tweeted life hack for folding fitted sheets, stuff them
into a closet and a messy ball. Honestly, who gives
this ship? Yeah, so you put them ships out and
it's like wrinkly. But also who can see that because
you got the top sheet and you've got the motherfucking's link.
Oh yeah. And then Pixelated Boat tweeted a screencap of
an article title Leaked footage suggests a big Jeopardy shock

(01:07:55):
is on the way, and he said answers must now
begin with about a being about a boom. It's answer time, motherfucker. Uh.
You can find me on Twitter at Jack on the Store, O'Brien.
You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're
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about in today's episode, as well as the song we write. Apple.

(01:08:39):
This is from Shy Girls and the track is called Drain.
I'm not feeling drained, but the z is rocking okay,
and your boots will be knocking because it's got a
funky to it and a hip tank, a hip tang. Yeah,
like from that guy. There's a dude who talking about
hot sauce and called the hip tang my boone daddy

(01:09:00):
something anyway, so on, um, but yeah, Drained by Shy Girls.
All right, we're gonna write out on that. We will
be back tomorrow because it is the daily podcast by
Change Jane Jane Jane Jane Jane. I don't make a

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house call later than the woman name seen it on
full push. Just spit it out, not see it on
the maightdis something's got them up in the just set
it off.