Biden Abortion Record Soo Bad, Anti-Choice Dark Money 05.05.22

In episode 1241, Jack and Miles are joined by superproducer, podcaster, and co-host of Comic Con Meta*Pod, Joelle Monique to discuss… This wasn’t a grassroots effort, so please stop talking like this was…ITS DARK MONEY, The Supreme Court’s AntiDemocratic, Anti-Progress Bent Is Not New, Biden’s Abortion Record is F--king Terrible and more!

1. The Supreme Court’s AntiDemocratic, Anti-Progress Bent Is Not New
2. Justice Denied: Why do we still tolerate the Supreme Court?
3. Biden’s Abortion Record is F--king Terrible
4. Texas abortion: Biden vows 'whole-of-government' response to new law
5. Even Biden’s Allies Have No Clue What He’s Doing on Abortion
6. Joe Biden's long evolution on abortion rights still holds surprises
7. Biden’s Budget Would Scrap Decades-Old Rule And Permit Federal Funding Of Abortions

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to thirty five,
Episode four of Dirt da LS Like guys stay production
of My Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we
take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Is Thursday,
May five, which you know that's that's the day, you know,

(00:21):
if you're so conclined, there you go, all right. I
think there's like a couple of other things. It's oh,
National World Password Day. Also, hell yeah, I also update
those passwords. Yeah, and National Cartoonist Station a cartoonists know. Yeah,
animators in the parts of utilizing their unions make better

(00:41):
workspace exactly exactly. We supports you your cartoonist creations, and
I just generally I think we all like any chance
we get to update our passwords. So I think that's
shoutout to highlight. Yeah, everybody in news the help. My
name is Jack O'Brien ak potatoes, Oh Brian, and I'm

(01:02):
thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Mr Miles Gray. Miles Gray. But you know what, I
saw some really great Star Wars references for May the
Fourth be with you for yesterday. But you know, I
just want to do a couple the Phantom Munch's Attack
of the Stones, the Empire, smokes Black and Miles uh

(01:23):
a return of the Red Eyes. Okay, shout out to
Fight of the night Man on a discord for those
Is that is that Fight of the night Man? Is that?
Is that a reference to something man? Fighter of the
night Man? It's from It's Always Sunny? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I knew that. I just wanted the listeners not still

(01:45):
left down by our little in joke. And it's funny too.
I'm not a culture I'm not the biggest It's Always
So any fan, but I've I've only I've experienced the
right ones where people think I'm literate, So you know, yeah,
I think we've had this exact conversation and I just
forgot probably well, Miles. We are thrilled to be joined
by an executive producer behind shows like Fake Doctor's Real

(02:08):
Friend and Welcome to Our Show. You've heard her on
pop Culture Happy Hour, read her at Culture, The A
V Club Teamboat Page, many more. She is the host
and executive producer of the comic com metapod. It is
the brilliant and talented Joel Monique. What's Up? Marble Defender

(02:30):
Back in Action Star Wars Lady Purple Lipstick don I've
got more names coming. We're cooking them. My guys, hair
looking good, yes, Miles, Me and my whole day. When
you texted me, we were in a meeting and we
were like, what's up, Jane Jackson with the poetic Justice braces,
Like this is the best compliment I've ever didn't You

(02:53):
got your hair done? And then you popped on that
car and I was like, Okay, Janet over there, you
think I didn't know, Like we need to get you
that little Cabby hat bill that you had outfit. Yeah,
and Joel, your new show dropped yesterday, Yes, it did
on me the four anniversary Star Wars Day special celebrating

(03:18):
all things Star Wars co host Hector Navarro and I.
If you all know Hector, you should get to know him.
He's an incredible host. He does a SpongeBob podcast for
I Heart and Nickelodeon. But I knew him back in
the day when he was on DC Streaming Network, and
his knowledge is so deep. The man has a library

(03:38):
of books and DVDs that he rents out to his friends.
So yeah, I mean like he keeps a catalog of everything.
It's really impressive. We once watched a bunch of Marvel
movies in like canonical order, and just him and I
are talking about him back and forth, and so I
knew that. Like when l a comic con came to
I heard and like, hey, let's partner up and do something,

(03:58):
and they wanted to bring a convention two ears every week.
I was like, that's got to be actor in me.
And we did a whole bunch of tests and they
were like, we like the chemistry and it worked, and
so I was so excited to do the show. But
then comic CON's booking people were like, we're gonna help
you get great guests. And the first person they got
for us was John Carlo was supposed to do and
I was like, mine, we're gonna talk to the icon

(04:20):
of performing, Like just he's mof Gideon in the Mandalorian,
but some of you might know him as bugging out
from do the right thing, maybe gusts from breaking bad.
I mean tree truly iconic level performer, and he bears
his soul to us. We cried together over our love
of Sondheim, I mean actual tears when he starts talking

(04:43):
about you know, the impact fans have had on him,
and so that was a great conversation. And then we
pivot and we talked to Kevin Kiner, who's done the
most music other than John Williams for the Star Wars universe,
and that was an incredible conversation talking about you know,
he's does the theme music for two of my favorit characters,
Pocoon and Asoka Tano. It was great. It's so lovely,

(05:04):
I mean, and it was a trivia battle between two
Star Wars fandoms, so it's, uh, the Droid Builders and
the mandome work. So these are fan clubs to get
together and design droids and create Mandalorian armor and then
go to conventions and hang out and you pick them
in a battle of wits like a trivia contest too. Yeah,
we did family feud style trivia. It was great. That

(05:28):
feels like it was like fun and theory. And then
they like whoever lost that had had to uh, you know,
disappear off for a couple of months. But I think
the point difference was like by five or ten points,
so there was no devastating loss, I'll say that. And
then they both got nice little prize packages at the

(05:50):
Wonderful Well Joel, we are going to get to know
you a little bit better in a moment. People should
go listen to that show right now, first episode it. Yeah,
but before we get to know you better, some things
we'll be talking about later on. We're obviously gonna be
talking about the Supreme Court, the leaked decision, and just

(06:12):
like trying to put all this into greater context, this
particular movement which keeps getting referenced as like a grassroots
effort by conservatives incorrect. Well, we'll explain why, just how
incorrect that is. We'll take a look at the Supreme
Court just in general across the twentieth century, what what
their whole kind of m O has been continues to be.

(06:36):
And we'll look at Joe Biden's abortion record. Um, all
of that plenty more. First, Joel, we do like to
ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Oh? Yeah, well,
this morning I caught myself on the Disney Grand California
Adventure page. Do you want some research? My birthday is
coming up past year. I dropped everything, including New York

(06:58):
and saw some Broadway musicals one of my favorite gal
pals and it was amazing. But I haven't done Disney Halloweenia,
and all my friends say it's amazing, and I want
to do I want to be there when you know,
Mickey's and his like vampire costume and it's so cute.
And then Ogi Bookie is there and I'm a booky
and they turned the Hunted Mansion into the night right

(07:19):
before christ It's so cute, So I want to go
and do that. And then there's also a spa and
you can just walk into the park, which I think
is the most ideal way to do Disney. Like you're
in the hotel and then you just walk directly into Uh.
I think it's you know, you're right outside of the gates.
You can go California Adventure or Disneyland, whichever. It takes

(07:40):
two seconds to walk from your hotel room. And you know,
if in the middle day you're overheating and you go
take a nap, you right back your hotel and then
flip and her around and come back out. And that
is the change, you know what I mean. I mean
when it's nighttime and I want to go back to
Star Wars Land because the lighting has changed because there's
no trees over Tony California Adventure and so it looks
completely different, super cool. Yeah, absolute and ten percent. I

(08:02):
want to do that, So I'm really excited. I think
I'm gonna do it. It's gonna be ungodly expensive for
no reason, but I kind of don't care. It's my birthday,
so I'm gonna I'm spend the money I want to do. Yeah,
I mean for what why what's the point of what's
the point of toiling if not to indulge our interests
when our free times? You know? Yeah? Wait, wait, but

(08:25):
when's your when's your actual birthday? October one? Okay, okay, God,
So you're you're you're you're making sure, you're you're looking
out there, you're getting a long view of making sure
it's the right move. Okay, yeah, I'm looking it. Letting
the friends know who wants to pop in? What's going Yeah, okay,
baller ship. I think I ever heard of it is
like if you like you live locally, you're like, you know,
I'm getting I'm going to I'm going to Disneyland with

(08:45):
the hotel room. I'm gonna Gosneyland for a couple of days. Yeah.
Cool and needs some escapism. Yeah, they'd be like, sir,
your pupils are so dilated, we can't let you in
the park. I'm like, oh, that's cool. I'm just called
is playing as Pikachu. I was not aware of the

(09:07):
So starting October one they have like sort of a
Halloween theme or it's actually the end of August through
the end of October. So it's the longest season at
Disney is Halloween season. Because if you're Halloween head you
like to dress up, there's a good chance you're also
a Disney Head. I want to go hang out over it.
The overlap is large, right, Yeah, And since you you

(09:30):
brought up vampires, we do have to ask you what
is your opinion on do our vampire fangs hollow like
as in you through yes, or they just big bitey
bity teeth just for the wound of a vein and
then they suck out like you know. I would say

(09:52):
old vampires, like really old vampires, the ancient kind that's
just bone, you know, because they're not really do in
the clean bite and walking away from it you're pretty
much destroyed. But these new age vampires who like don't
want to kill with their bite or whatever, you know,
they're like semi vegan vampires. I think they're hollow. I
think they've evolved in the hollow fans. Wow, this is

(10:15):
the first Some people, most people we talked to their
either or, and you you've put in the Darwinian argument
for the evolution towards a hollow fang. Okay, because look
at our more recent vampires, Like they're clean, they come
up from their victim, no blood on them, they're like
gentlemen and ship. I feel like you can't do that
if you're just puncturing with bone or new blood everywhere. Yeah,

(10:37):
I feel like there's some vampire movies or cartoons that
I've seen where the person doesn't know that they've been bit,
Like it's kind of a weight, which just late, which
has more in common with a mosquito, which is like
gang on Twitter has pointed out that is like we
keep saying it's a reverse like snake bite because snakes

(10:58):
like inject them through the fangs, but it's actually just
they're just biting mosquitoes. Yeah, sounds a lot less scary,
but ten times more annoying. Slot them away, like you
no stead of a tiny red well, you have everlasting life,
and your life is very strange and yeah, no more sunrises,

(11:22):
but eternal beauty, I mean, give there you go. And
if there was like two different types at various times,
I do feel like it would make sense that the
ones who have to just like open a massive wound
in someone's neck would probably be the ones that were
more likely to die off because yeah, yeah, humans are

(11:43):
going to apex Predator the ship out of that. They're like,
in no way, we are mass killing machines and we
will devoue. You can't do this. What is something do
you think is overrated? As a person who really like
loves fashion, I love reading a Vogue magazine, Harper's Bizarre
if you will, of the fashion world and their goofy
nous and their eccentric nous. The Met Gala is really

(12:05):
overrated to me. And here's why no one follows theme. Okay,
I know we say it every year the Met gall
of fans go on to the twitters and we're like,
what they went through the whole effort of making a theme.
They brought in specific art pieces. A lot of times
the meal goes along with the theme why would you
come dressed? Not as the theme? What is the point?
And this year they did the Gilded Age one of

(12:26):
the fancy is most like extreme time. You could have
done giant parasols, huge hats, I mean, hoop skirts four days.
It's literally the era of corsets. And everyone was like
ongoing in black, which first of all, it's the guilded
age is all about color, too much black, lots of
like lace underwear things. Some people got it, some people

(12:49):
were about it. Gigi hadid you know, at first, I
was like, I don't understand the entire like latex red
leather corset hant thing. But then with the coach, she
was like, oh no, I'm gonna really, I'm gonna with
the silhouette and give you, you know, give you perfect
time period, which works. Sara Jessica Parker was working out
of three separate centuries, but it came together. It was

(13:09):
mostly in line with theme. And then who's the director
of something like forty year It's on Netflix, So hold
I'm a finder because she knocked it out of the park,
doing the sort of like oh too, black women of

(13:29):
the era, highlighting the seamstresses who were behind a lot
of the classic designs. Rhonda Blank Rhonda Blanc is an
incredible director. She directed this movie called The forty year
old version about a woman who's interested in getting into
like hip hop and reconnecting with her writing roots. It
is a setting performance. But her outfit for the gala

(13:53):
was like giant white head wrap, like knife billowing skirt.
It was in doble, and I really appreciated was she
brought to the theme. I think my favorite outfit was
Pete Davison with his his tanner, his self tanding spray.
Oh god, his new tattoos. You can not look did

(14:15):
you not look a little tan to you? Yeah? I
mean that's what happens when you get with the Kardashian
Your your beauty glow up routine begins immediately because creaking
on more cameras than you ever thought existed in your
whole life. So again, he's got it's literally keeping up
with the Kardashians. He's got put work. Also, I love
how like just how odd the theme of the Gilded Age.

(14:38):
You know, it's it's frightening, you know what I mean,
massive inequality and child labor. But hey, you know this
ball out and nothing but Hillary's dresses dedicated to Harriet Tubman,
So you know, problems resolved. Let's see it giveth and
it taketh truly. I also thinks metgal is overrated because

(15:01):
I don't know who any of these designers are. For
the most part, people are like, oh, and they're wearing Louis.
I mean I know Louuia. Yeah, okay, Carolina Herrara, I
know that one. But like there were some I don't know. Yeah,

(15:28):
you're like, where my favorite designers Gilding. Hey, what is
something you think is underrated? Oh, candles are underrated and
the interest of disappearing from this plane of existence. I've
gotten really into a company called can Trip Candles? Do
you D and D themed candles, which are my favorite

(15:50):
thing in the whole world. They got one of the
smells like a library, one that smells like an adventure dungeon.
When that smells like identifies it's just like red wine
pane and smoke, which I really really enjoy. They're amazing.
I have taken them to D and D games. It
really helps set them. We already have like mood lighting.
We got a whole board. We're doing the storytelling. You

(16:11):
have the candles saying that you're practically in that dungeon. Baby.
It is amazing. So if you're into that kind of.
I go check out Cantrip candles. But candles in general, yes, yes,
I owned, Woman Owned Like it's a beautiful space. You
gotta go check it out. What I really love about
it is it's ah like, just candles in general have
the ability to just like bring stress relief to you

(16:34):
kind of immediately in a way that a product that
costs five ninety nine can rarely do. Get them on
the cheap, They're real fragrant, they last for a pretty
long night. It's a good deal, is what I'm saying.
And if you're fancy enough to do the thing where
you break down the little bit of waxes left and
re melt and build new candles, kudos to you. I

(16:54):
haven't gotten there yet in my recycling, but um as
there continues to deteriorate, I aspire to be kind of
person who can save and reuse wax. Yeah I'm not
doing I'm not into that level of alchemy yet. But
Her Majesty actually went to school with Christoph from can Trip.
Really Yeah, that's like how I first heard about it.

(17:15):
And she was like, yeah, my friend from school as
this candle store we went. I was like, what the
and yeah, we've got a few, We've got a few
can trips. Yeah, I I grew up the associating scented
candles with just Yankee candle, just that store in the mall,
And it's the equivalent of you know, like car air
fresheners is just bad and overwhelming, and they don't smell

(17:38):
like anything as much as just air fresheners. And yeah,
I've recently had my eyes opened to the fact that
you can you can have really like great smells, but yeah,
don't smell like you're burning a scented candle. I love
a smoky like wood fire scented anything. Man. I'm telling

(18:03):
you when it when I get those crackling with candles
I talked about this winter, my house smell like you
came over to Karen's crib. Okay, I'd like to change
my candles for the seasons. Yeah, you got to eat
a fresh linen in the summer. You know, you want
to get your pine and cranberry on in the winter.
Really m hm. And so it's C A N T R.

(18:27):
I P Yes, candles nice, go check them out. Given
me your business. Let's dope. So your favorite, you would say,
is the is the den of thieves from them. Yeah, totally.
It's again like red wine, and it's like the most
masculine candle you can buy. Good, Uh, what makes your

(18:48):
whole house smell like warm and inviting? And then I
just bought the like walk through the Forest, I think,
which is cool because you do a lot of trail
checking in D N D and so, and you did
a candle for that. And I think they have an
ocean one, which I want to get because we've been
spending a lot of time on a boat lately, and
I have a candle for that. So I was just
building the parchment one and it just didn't feel right.

(19:09):
So you know, I'll eventually collect them all as if
they were pokemon, and so that we have a candle
for every situation, the situation for every candle. Yeah, all right,
let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

(19:31):
And we're back, so you know, we're I think we're
all still working through processing. Enraged at what was revealed
in the leaked Gorsage decision seems to be foreshadowing that
they're going to overturn Row and do it in a
very aggressive fashion. That seems to just be like, yeah,

(19:54):
and we can come for fucking anything. Go fund yourselves,
all of you, each and everyone. But like just kind
of taking a step back and looking at the way
the news is covering this has covered it. You hear
the word grassroots thrown out there a lot that this
is a grassroots movement, which suggests that it's like a

(20:15):
a popular uprising that like naturally kind of percolated up
from this large anti choice movement that's just happened on
the streets, and that that's not the case. And Miles,
you put together some some good thoughts on just like
kind of putting putting this in perspective of what exactly
we're seeing when it's whether it's grass I mean, clearly

(20:38):
they are activists, because they're violent anti choice activists out there.
Who are you know, normal people who have a really
violent agenda. But like when you look at sort of
when you're sort of tracking how we got here, you
know a lot of people have said, like, see the Republicans,
they got out and vote, and they consistently got out,
and like that's how we got this. Well, my and

(21:00):
and I guess on a certain level they do vote,
but it wasn't because they're like, here's our thing, folks
are gonna get out because we're gonna make sure we're
gonna strip people's human rights away. When you really look
at sort of the Republican Party, right in nineteen seventy
six is when the party decided to like fully embrace
being anti choice and making it part of the official
party platform. And it wasn't because they believed innocent souls

(21:21):
were being lost to the you know, blight of abortion.
They were they're they're sitting there, you know, they're looking
at power. Then they said, who else can we bring
into the party to mote like that's motivated to keep
voting for us? Oh, that's right, evangelicals. So if we
make this part of who we are, then we're bringing
in a whole group of other voters so we can
begin to you know, eke out our our wins at

(21:43):
a at a higher rate and have something that is
you know, and that appeals to this group emotionally, and
it and it and it's worked. You know, it's it's
driven out a lot of people to come vote around
this issue. Despite right only thirty percent of Americans wanting
Road to be overturned. Because with the evangelicals, not only
do you bring it more people into the base. But
you also have an issue of making abortion a new

(22:05):
way to push back against the civil rights movement and
another way to control people because as we all know,
reproductive rights and the lack of safe abortion access is
going to affect the poorest people in the country, and
that's typically the most affective people are going to be
people of color. So this all kind of came together
in a very opportunistic way. And you know, they've they

(22:28):
haven't had the majority vote in seven of the eight
last presidential left. No, not at all. And this has
been you know, throughout the eighties and nineties, and the
odds like this was this is useful for both parties.
The Republicans could dangle the carrot of overturning Row to
to get the base uh, you know, motivated, and Democrats
raised the specter of overturning Row also to be like, oh,

(22:49):
we gotta you gotta give us some money because they
might do this. But in the early odds is really
when things begin to change and the influence of dark
money groups really increased as it relates to how Supreme
Court justices are picked and what the sort of bare
minimum is for somebody to be a judge that is
getting the blessing from a group like the Federalist Society.
So again, dark money groups are basically political spending groups

(23:11):
that are structured as nonprofits that do not have to
disclose where their funding comes from. There's many different kinds
of nonprofits. Certain nonprofits do have to disclose where every
single dollar that they receive, where that comes from. Others
do not, and those are the dark money groups because
it allows for gigantic donations of millions of dollars to
go in and you don't know where it came from,

(23:34):
and they're free to spend that money however they like now.
Specifically right groups like the Judicial Crisis Network and the
Federalist Society have had the biggest influence. And Leonard Leo,
who is a longtime senior executive at the Federalist Society,
has had the ears of the last two Republican presidents,
Trump and Bush. He was even Trump's judicial like advisor basically,

(23:56):
and at the same time he was telling Trump these
are people who should be judges or justices. He was
running this network of dark money groups to exert their
influence in these different confirmation here and so it started
with Alito and Roberts and again every single time they
start injecting money. To give you an idea of the
count of like kind of money that they put in,

(24:17):
it's about ten million dollars per nominee. And they have said,
you know, we've we spent a lot of money. We
spent around ten million blocking Merritt Garland's nomination, and we
spent about ten million each on ten million each on Kavanaugh,
Gorsitch and Coney Barrett. And when you look at how
this money moves, right right before Cony Barrett's nomination began,

(24:38):
the Judicial Crisis Network got a fourteen million dollar donation
from one donor, and it only and they spent about
ten millions. Whether that's ads, whether that's putting pressure on
senators to vote to confirm, or you know, just to
prop them up, putting up flowery ads about a judge,
what have you. That's where that money is being spent.

(24:59):
And if you just really think about it, one person
can single handedly fund the media blitz to confirm or
block a nominee, you know, because that's just sort of
the amounts of money that's moving. And this is why
I think we experience this extreme level of minority rule
right now because you have two presidents that lost the
popular vote in Trump and Bush, they appointed five Supreme
Court justices and through that have stripped away the rights

(25:23):
of millions. And it's not because the Republicans are getting
out and consistently voting. Yes, that's part of the process,
but in a in a much larger scale, we're we're
we don't really report on the fact that so many
of our policies that are shaped are coming from the
very wealthy, and that's who, at the end of the
day is sort of at the wheel at what kinds

(25:44):
of policies these politicians are trying to legislate. And we
don't need Democrats to just tell people to vote. They
can use the fucking power that they actually have right
now to do things in the interim. You know, many
people have pointed to the fact that Biden can make
sure the FDA can guarantee access to the abortion peel
or Blue states can help expand access to abortion using

(26:05):
Medicaid funds to help the people that would inevitably be
crossing state lines to get a safe abortion. So as
the moneyed powers that stand you have on the on
the many, i mean most capitalists, they want. They want
to vaporize as the federal government so they can privatize everything,
and then the process strip away things like our privacy rights,
our ability to organize as workers, and safety regulations so

(26:29):
they can conduct business in a way that is just maximum,
that provides maximum benefit for their profit earning business. And
the biggest impediments to those profits is having to treat
people like they are humans. And the best way to
get rid of those hurdles is by controlling the Supreme Court.
Because now we're in a situation where Aldo has basically said,
the gist of what his opinion is saying is if

(26:51):
that ship isn't literally in the Constitution when they wrote it,
I don't know if that's the right. Yeah, that's been
like up and now in a statement to stand on,
given all the things that weren't right when the Constitution
was written, given the fact that like it's meant to
be a living document, I I can't understand. I can't
wrap my mind around how they think it's going to listen.

(27:18):
I'm torn on is this the grasping death rattle of
a dying like breed in that you know, folks who
are super dedicated to the constitution not as a starting point,
but as the finish line or if it's at the

(27:38):
beginning of the end, not to be too dark, but
also what the fuck opens the door? Right, because think
about all these things that happened since the civil rights movement,
all that's on the table essentially based on the logic
that's being presented in this draft that we've read. Yeah,
I mean, black people were not a full person in

(27:59):
in a constitution. I just don't know. I just don't
know what you could possibly be thinking. How you think
that's going to work. I mean, I think the most
you know, what a lot of states will probably emboldened
to do is to try and begin to chip away
at people's access to contraception. Yeah. Yeah, that feels like
the easiest thing, the next step that they can continue
because a lot of people wrongfully say things like I

(28:21):
U D S are abortion. They're not. Yeah, but we
we can begin to see because the access to contraception,
those things are decided in the fifties or sixties. I
believe for married and unmarried people that that's another thing
that I'm like, man, maybe that decision was wrong too.
It's a it's such a transparent thing that's happened where
these people are put there by you know, people who

(28:46):
are elected due to wealthy donors. They then enact legislation
on the Supreme Court that makes it so that you know,
like they are obliterating campaign finance restrictions, which makes America
into an olig oligarchy. That the number of seven of
eight presidential elections, seven of the past eight presidential elections

(29:12):
were democratic majority results and the one win it was
for Republican incumbent after nine eleven, like when the nation
had lost its fucking mind, Like the it's a it's
a pretty clear majority at this point, and this is

(29:32):
just not a majority rule country. It's a capital rural
country at this point. And it's like not even is it.
But like the fact that we that this isn't the
number one thing, like the number one angle on the
front page of the New York Times, like is part
of the problem. This is a country that is also
so bad at talking about like class and you know,

(29:57):
the just outsized influence of corporate rations and the wealthy
it's um and and the idea that it gets that
they get to couch. It is like a grassroots thing
as opposed to a you know, oligarchy. Seizing power from
the majority of Americans and putting they're very extremist ideas

(30:20):
into into action is pretty crazy. Yeah, there's a call
from the same group that organized the Women's Rights March,
the pussy Hat Ladies. In what was seen right after
that Orange you took office, they had that really Aardvrentages

(30:40):
basically just a very vocal demonstration of was like, hey,
we're here and we see you, but didn't yield, to
my knowledge, a lot of actual results. There's a call
to for women to just like not spend money for
like starting next week, like for an entire week, to
do their best to not like engage in the economy

(31:00):
as a vocal opportunity to say like, hey, don't funk
with us. Based off of you know, Iceland's similar protests
and what was that like, I think, I don't know
if it will work. I don't know if there's it
seems like a thing that upper middle class and up
folks can do. I don't know. You know, back when

(31:23):
I was making like seven fifty an hour, if that
would have been an option to just not spend money,
I gotta get on the bus. I gotta do X
Y and Z in order to support myself. But I
do like the idea potentially of being like, can we
as a vocal majority say we'll just keep our money
then and you can't have it because that's the only
like language that you guys speak, And it doesn't seem

(31:45):
we can do much beyond you know, they're in to
take away our money is the only thing that really
speaks to companies, I think anyway, from a large group
of people saying like, hey, we'll take your stock if
we have to. What do we need to do? Right
and it but it also goes back to this reflective individualism,
like we are inside this system where massive corporations outside

(32:09):
of our control and above all of us are making
these decisions that take away the rights of individuals, And
then the answer seems to always reflectibly go to like
we need to demonstrate harder, we need to you know,
vote harder, and we need to like in this case,
And I like, I think any any action is great,

(32:31):
like I'm but I do feel like the way that
like this system is just irrevocably fucked right now is
underrated by a lot of the kind of initial responses
which are like, well, we gotta like this is what
people in Latin American countries did to get abortion rights,

(32:55):
Like we need to do that too, and like that
may that may be true, but like we also are
like at the tail end of a long period of
this system just actively like robbing people of their individual rights. Right.
And yeah, you know too, again, like when you talk
about all the money that's swirling around, you think of

(33:16):
how all like these decisions are really made in advance
by wealthy people, whether it's like overturning Row or even
go back to like Clinton right and repealing the Glass
Stiegel Act, which basically Casino fied Wall Street. That it's
we have people who are like come from Goldman Sacks,
end up running the Treasury, lean on Bill Clinton and

(33:36):
others to be like, hey man, what we need to
do is make it real easy to allow investment banks
and retail banks and insurers to merge into one thing,
which ended up us having to you know, we we
we saw it happen in two thousand and eight. And
again you even look at the people within that industry,
like Robert Rubin, who was at the at the Treasury

(33:58):
at the time. He ends up going to City Group
right after and he even like got he was like
even leaning on Clinton to be like you have to
pre approve a merger between city Group and Travelers as
part of like this bill. And you can see that
all of the so many people in the government, these
monumental bills, they're always outside aims, right, it's not necessarily
just for the bent like that. They're like, this is

(34:19):
actually what we need for the country. No, it's this
guy from Goldman Sacks, other people from other places end
up in the White House and they're like, hey man,
so I'm here to hook up the homies, so let's
let's begin to do that. And you know, some people
can win off that. But more importantly, this is going
to help our industry and we can case it in
whatever argument we need to. But we're like, it's not

(34:40):
we're not we're not regularly talking about how much moneyed influence.
We can point to so many of our ills because
people were enriching themselves with some of these policy decisions.
And like, apparently if you do, then it's like too
extreme to be on like CNN or fucking MSNBC or
this interested in it because it inevitably is going to

(35:02):
cause some kind of examination of what what the role
of corporations are in our in our media and our
politics and things like that. And in a fully corporate
like corporate tized, ad based you know, media format that
can't always happen luckily we can. We're not, I guess
we're not enough of a threat where people are trying
to pull to say, oh, this is this is too

(35:24):
dangerous or whatever, even though this is ad supported. But
you look at like larger companies. If a network is
wholly owned by a company that's also making like war machines,
they're less likely to talk about the military industrial complex there.
And we because of all so many things become obscure.
We're like coming out of this fog where like in
a car accident where not many people realize that the

(35:46):
thing is fully has been broken for a very long time. Yeah, no, no,
I I don't, I don't, I don't know, I don't know.
It's it's very dark and scary times, particularly when you
follow a lot of abortion rights activists and there like
Night of learning the news was just so traumatic from

(36:11):
the perspective of like, okay, well we'll start telling the
stories of our mothers then and what they had to do.
It's just like, oh, we definitely can't go back there.
And then you know a lot of them were like
your action plans to figure out which doctors know how
to perform abortions, can you talk to that doctor not
on the record about whether they'd be willing to do
that post it being league Like, I mean, the things
that people are already having to try to comprehend doing,

(36:35):
you know, just to survive, just to you know, keep
more women alive and more people with uterus is alive.
It's it's a lot. And yeah, this, when you look
at something like this, you just seem more and more like,
you know, what started off as courting evangelicals, the Republicans
also like, you know what, I think we can also
use patriarchy of misogyny to get people motivated. It might

(36:58):
not even be necessarily not Maybe some of the people
don't really don't care if it's about hell and saving
a soul. They actually like the idea that we can
tell somebody with a uterus now you can't do that.
You can do this though I can't do that, And
it's just you know, more control. And I think over
time it morphs into these things, and we're now at
a point where people are asking, well, what what needs

(37:21):
to be done. Well, you know a lot of people
have been saying from the beginning to expand the court,
put term limits on these justices and things like that.
But we still seem to be in a phase where we're,
you know, where we've been waiting for a response from
the federal government since that law in Texas passed, and
Joe Biden was like, just to wait whole government response,

(37:43):
whole of government response. Yeah, we're about to talk about that,
but yeah, scary times, especially when you take into account
to like even before women weren't typically the target of
prosecution around cases of abortion, and since like they've started
pushing back laws and in states that seems to be

(38:05):
the strategy. Is like a woman who comes in with
a still birth like that gets investigated for what happened
in her own body. A woman was arrested in Indiana
like what a year two years ago before having a miscarriage. Like, Yeah,
the the things they're going after, the things that they're

(38:28):
trying to do, you know, even even just trying to
do it's right now. Yeah, And I think a lot
of people to like, throughout all this, we're almost like
we're confused because we're like did we ever actually have progress?
You know, like are are we still the same country?
But we the people have moved forward, but the policies haven't,

(38:49):
and we're constantly having like a reconciliation or reckoning with
what the messages, what the lived reality is, what the
sentiment is of people, and how like they or if
they feel like they're own completely different spaces, like they're
they're not in agreement? Yeah, and is it like that
we're taking away? Right? So it's like, you know, to
be honest, most people never really had a lot of

(39:10):
these rights anyway, you know when you consider like the
amount of like recognized safe abortion clinics that were actually
in the country even after way, even after Row, Like
what is the situation? And I don't know, Like part
of me is like, are are we really? Do we
think of all the progress we've We've definitely made so
much progress, but there's been so much ship going back

(39:30):
and forth, Like you take a step forward, you take
two back, you take three forward, one back, and you're like,
how much actually have we moved forward? On to continuum?
And I find myself constantly trying to think about that, Like, right,
I know, these laws passed and that's good. But I'm
still looking at statistics of like death rates and other
things as it relates to a myriad of issues, and
I'm like where I Yeah, just a difficult time. There's

(39:55):
a great quote from Marianne Kabba, who's an abolitionist. It
says hope is a discipline, which I think is you know,
apt for the times, and I mean, how much progress
is slow? Unfortunately it doesn't happen rapidly. I think examining

(40:17):
it as what ground are we not willing to seed
and how much further can we push for a better
world for the majority, and focusing really on on that
kind of hope is good. I think understanding who is
trying to take away our rights and discerning that from
you know, what our neighbors. You know, I mean you

(40:39):
said before, like people are pro abortion, are you know?
I think I think we have to remember that there's
more of us and we are stronger in spirit than
you know. Then they're agreed and it's going to take
time though, and it might get scary along the way unfortunately. Yeah,

(41:01):
And you know, and I think it's it's disheartening to
when we you know, we're we're sort of indoctrinated with
this idea that you know, like that we vote the
people in and then they make the laws to help,
you know, keep people safe. But all like all we
read about is the lack of safety we have and

(41:22):
confused leadership and that really it's such a it's such
a like defeating thing for a lot of people to
grasp because we're looking for solutions. But invest time in
your community, people. I can't stress it strongly enough. Build
into your own communities because you will have a much
firmer and clearer idea of what is actually happening around you.

(41:45):
And when you see frightening change or people trying to
lead your community and direction that you know is wrong
or unsafe, you can take action at a local level.
And I really think that's going to be our solution
going forward, small local steps, because if they can't touch
us there, then it's gonna be much harder for them
to operate on a large scale without us. Yeah, in

(42:09):
places we've definitely seen progress go in the wrong direction.
Is caging of humans, right, Like in the United States,
the increased power and you know, budgets and militarization of
police and like those are human you know, those are

(42:29):
directly things that are used to take away human rights.
I mean, obviously in the case of caging, like that
is exactly what it is designed to do. And yeah,
this this feels like it's part of a larger hole
and not a necessarily a new thing that is just

(42:51):
like the result of some extremists on the Supreme Court,
which I feel like it is the way some people
are are greeting greeting it. Yeah, all right, let's let's
take a quick break. We'll come back and talk Biden.

(43:16):
And we're back and Biden that, as we mentioned, promised
a whole of government response to Texas anti choice laws.
And then I'll just read from some senators about like
what what that whole of government response looked like. Not

(43:37):
a peep, Senator John Tester told The Daily Beast when
asked if you'd heard anything about the whole of government approach.
They haven't shared that with me, said Senator Tim Cain,
and and so forth. There there was nothing. Now they're
saying that, you know, they're they're starting to have emergency
meetings with the White House about how to protect abortion access.

(43:58):
But that before Monday's bombshell leak, they hadn't talked to
any specifics with with Biden with the administration, and it's like,
are we surprised given his history historical relationship to the
concept of abortion. Yeah, So in nineteen four he literally said,

(44:19):
I don't think that a woman has the soul right
to say what should happen to her body that Joe
Biden said that voted against using Medicaid to fund abortions
and even exceptions for victims of rape and incest in
addition to concerns for the life of the mother. So
those were he he voted against taking those exceptions into account,

(44:44):
and eight one he voted to remove them exceptions in
what is considered the most far reaching ban on federal
funds ever enacted to Congress. Voted several times to keep
federal workers from using health insurance to pay for abortions.
As president, he did omit omit the High Amendment, which
denies insurance coverage for abortion through government sponsored plans like Medicaid.

(45:07):
So he didn't didn't didn't use that in his budgets,
but he supported the High Amendment as recently as while
he was campaigning in Yeah, that is yis yeah, I
mean it's yeah, there's even a tweet from the Potus

(45:29):
account to and it's like, all right, we know what
we gotta do, Like elected officials, we gotta do everything
we can to make this happen, and the voters got
to make sure they protect the pro choice politicians and
elect them. But you also look at the same time,
like this guy is campaigning for like Henry quay Are,

(45:50):
who is like an anti choice Democrat, and so I
was like Jim Clyburn and Nancy Pelosi and the party's
leadership is getting behind an anti choice Democrat and you know,
so so it's like hard to so much as self
inflicted with this too, like we're not like the Democrats
aren't even consistent, Like the Republicans are like nomen like

(46:10):
we're like we are anti choice. Democrats are like, well,
you know, like if this guy works for him over there,
that's fine, but because we gotta win these elections. But
it's that sort of normalization I think really dulled the
sense of urgency for Democrats for what the last fifty years, Right,
So practical practical practicalities and like, uh, following the polling

(46:37):
and then not following the polling when it means actually
doing something that helps people. Yeah, it's I don't know,
it's cowardly. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't
even know. I don't even know. I mean it's I mean,
they're playing in our faces though, like I mean in

(46:58):
a way that's sort of horror dying in the same
way that they're doing it with these students. But we
don't we don't know if we do some loans or not.
We can't forgive. We're just not sure what would that
look like. Even we have billions of dollars to do
I don't know military things, but it couldn't possibly figure
out how to do this. We can keep delaying them, though, um,
we can't. We can't just stand up and saying the

(47:19):
other work because the Republicans will go crazy. We understand
that the majority of people are pro abortion and believe
women have rights to their bodies. But what could we
possibly do. Oh gosh, they promise us they're not going
to change it, and that that's just law. They said
it in their hearings, and so we have to believe them.
I mean, it's a constant naivete from them, and I
think it's famed, which is pretty exhausting and I can't

(47:40):
understand why other than cowardice, like I have to face
these people and I don't want them to be mad
or I'm not sure, you know, people might be mad.
We really seems to oil down to people might be
mad at me. And so I can't make these life changing,
generationally impactful changes that are necessary immediately despite having the

(48:04):
power to do so. And I think this is in
general right that we have. We have too many people
like who are anchors on cable news and who are
politicians who are so wealthy that they have their their
their idea of what a working person is is maybe
when they were twelve, you know what I mean, And

(48:27):
they and they're operating from that concept of what it
means to be a wage worker, what it means to
be a single parent, and are not fully connected with
what that reality. I keep saying this over and over.
That's the big that's that's so clear. That's why they're confused.
That's why they are like, whoa wait, no, oh this

(48:49):
I thought I thought this this this ship used to
work ten years ago. Well, yeah, ten years ago, there
weren't as many people, really like grappling with their own debt,
their lack of upward mobility and things like that, and
there they're now aging into a point where they're a
larger cohort of people who vote. And I think that's
the other part we're experiencing too, is like the people

(49:10):
who represent as a lift have no idea what life
is like in America, right, and so there's no That's
why there's no sense of urgency. Everything feels like, from
well from their perspective, Okay, yeah, this is bad, but
we can do this, we can do this, we can
do this. Um yeah, yeah. So I don't know, Like

(49:32):
I think people have made the argument he's not equipped
to leave this fight, but I I think it's like
he actively has been working against women's reproductive rights for
most of his career. So regardless of what he may
say now, it's pretty clear that there's a reason behind
his inaction. And I don't know, I don't know if

(49:53):
it gets better if like for political expediency he changes
and you know, uses this to his advantage. But it's
pretty fun that we find ourselves in this position. Yeah,
I mean yeah, and right now, I think the one
thing's the only thing that is of benefit is like,
you know, blue states are codifying those rights and trying

(50:18):
you know, some you know, some local officials are trying
to say, like we need to do whatever we can,
like if we're like a blue state surrounded by red states,
like how we help people like in Illinois or like
Maryland where you're like in these places where a lot
of like you're kind of where people might head to.
And we and we do see that discussion beginning, but

(50:38):
that seems to be out of people who understand the
urgency of it and are connected to those resources and
trying to move immediately. And then you know, up at
the highest level, there's just like now we're you know,
half of the discussion is like who leaked it? Why
did they leak it? And they're like there's even a
cynical version of like the Democrats leak it to try
and like get people to wake up. You That's so

(51:00):
strange to me because my mind immediately was like, okay,
so some hero was like not on my watch and
released the papers. It was like people need to know
before it becomes in action. But then I saw some
talking head and I don't remember who it was, but
they were like, oh, well, maybe the Republicans did it
so no one could back out maybe the Democrats did
it as a way of embarrassing the court, and I
was like, that seems so I mean, even if that

(51:23):
is the case, it seems so beyond like I don't
care really like who what the alternative method or reasoning was.
It just matters that, like that does not happen. If
we can stop it, if there is any kind of
way to not make you know, people with Yoush's second
class citizens, that would be great. It's super awesome. Yeah.

(51:44):
The New York Times is covering the perception of politicization
as like I think that was like the top story
on on Wednesday morning was like people on both sides
are like dismayed at the growing politicization of the court,
and you know, suddenly with this leak business, we're seeing
a Supreme Court that has succumbed to the evil politics

(52:08):
where their sides and these are you know, supposed to
be the law priests calling balls and strikes, except you know,
Alex Schmidt on yesterday's episode was pointed to this thing
by Ian Millheiser, a book I think they're called this
thing by Ian Millhuser, a book by E. Millizer called Injustices.

(52:30):
That's just like kind of a twentieth century history of
the Supreme Court, and it is it's it's very instructive.
I guess that's like they are almost uniformly pushing in
the direction of Congress will put something into action, they

(52:50):
will use that interpretation or that law to like protect
businesses or corporations. There's like a great anecdote in the
about or a horrifying anecdote about how like after Congress
started like putting rulings for like due process into place
so that like, you know, white supremacist states couldn't just

(53:11):
use whatever means they wanted to to cage freed slaves.
They the Supreme Court took that and started applying it
to like things like a case that came before them
where eight year old were working in coal mines and
people are like, that's not okay to have eight year

(53:33):
olds working in coal mines and like having you know,
being killed frequently constantly because they're eight and they're working
in a fucking coal mine. They were like that, you're
messing with the due process of like the coal corporations,
or you know, you're messing when some somebody tried to

(53:53):
get like a sub sixty hour work week and less
than ten hours in a single day for New York bakers.
They came through and said that the law violated the
liberty of bakery owners to negotiate contracts with their employees.
Like they take the progressive ideas in the government, like

(54:15):
they are supported by people, and they use it to
protect corporations. So, by the New York Times logic of
like politicization being a problem, the Supreme Court is like
allowed to do a very political thing of siding with
businesses who make their one percent lifestyle is possible. They're

(54:38):
just not allowed to disagree with each other publicly. When
they do that is essentially like the message that that
is sending down. Yeah, that's that has been their thing.
They've been pro business, they've been very conservative, and then
when they occasionally have a liberal or progressive leaning decision,

(54:58):
it's with fail something that is actually emerging within the public.
So they're just there to agree with the public and
like occasionally crystallize things like gay marriage into law after
people have already you know, come to that decision on
their own. So they're not really doing anything for us.

(55:21):
They're just taking away our rights well empowering businesses, and
that's been the case for the entire twentieth century, right,
and it's like there's no branch of government that is
free of that. Yeah, it's get It's like I said, man,
these people need to be wearing fucking NASCAR jackets with

(55:43):
all their fucking donors on it. So when they walk
into the capital, you're like, Okay, so your fis or
your Dow Chemicals, your your three M, you're this company.
Because that is so much of what how and age
like how someone's votes are determined based on who they're
beholden to, and I don't know why, there's just that

(56:05):
we with like there just needs to be again, more
discussion around how all of this is working, rather than
treating it like this abstraction that we can't figure out
what's going on, what's happening? How did how did we
get here? We fucking know. Because when the power dynamic
isn't such where politicians are beholden to the people, that

(56:26):
has been completely obliterated, and votes are just a means
to an end to legitimize the decisions that these politicians
make on behalf of their wealthy donors. And that's the
situation we're in, and it's just going to continue to evolve,
Like we're saying, like, since you know fucking the Supreme Court,
what do you want to do? Hey, what do you know?
Oh what? They they're they they're making you treat you

(56:48):
these eight year olds like human workers. No, man, you're
violating that eight year olds right to exploit themselves out
of sheer desperation because of a system we help set up.
Or like some dumbass editors. If you don't want to
have a baby, don't have sex, sir, I don't know
if you know how anything. No one forced you to
have sex. Do you have you heard of the term rape?

(57:09):
Do you know what it means? Like? And then causing
women to have to like share the horrific stories to
sort of articulate against your point. It's just because again
we have a bunch of dudes really making a bulk
of the decisions, a bulk of white men making the decisions,
and a ton of white women just supporting that white

(57:31):
supremacistic goal. Yeah, and everyone's internalized, mysie, like everyone is
dealing with so much as this is all happening. But again,
to to it's I think it's just really harmful for
articles to be written that are like confused or like
how we got here and we're not constantly like like
just ringing the alarm that like this is this this
isn't a representative democracy obviously, but never really was a republic,

(57:56):
what have you. But it's just a it's a full
on you know that we have too many corporatized politicians
now and Washington, DC is merely the venue to help
set business policy and we're just in real time having
to react to that, whether it's tax cuts for them
or cutting off people's health care or whatever. And that's
the confusion, I think is that we were not the

(58:19):
mainstream sort of tone on all of this is we've ceased.
We've for a long time, we have not been a country,
I don't know, maybe ever, we've never been a country
that is looking at every single person that lives here
as a human being and and that there's a certain
level of inalienable rights that applies to every single living

(58:39):
person in the country. Yeah. And this is the one
thing that is notable about this is that other countries,
as I think one of you said earlier, like other
countries have not been moving in this direction on reproductive
rights and abortion rights, like it really at all and

(59:02):
suddenly the US is like moving rolling things back in
a way that you know what, when you read about
countries that prohibit access to abortion, you like immediately see
like it's it's a fucking nightmare. It's an absolute nightmare.

(59:24):
And the thing that they're trying to institute is a
absolute nightmare. And like that that would be a great
front pitch story for The New York Times to tell
like that this is out of step with everything around
the world, and like that this is where we are
now and it makes sense that we're here because of
the system that we have in place. Mm hmm. And yeah.

(59:49):
All the while, you know what, the Republicans just continue
to like end the just in public, be like we
don't we hate we hate you. If you have a uterus,
we hate you. If you're not Christian, we ate you.
If you're not sis gender, we hate you, if you're
not white. Yep, that's it. We're telling you that that's
where we're at. And we're and we're like, Okay, somebody

(01:00:10):
somebody go toe to toe with this and the the
I and we're not. We're not seeing the kinds of
responses that we need and would to be honest, this
is something that has been a fifty year issue that
could have been addressed, but just it just seemed I
think it's beneficial for both sides to kind of keep
reaching for it. I'm gonna reach. Look, I got that

(01:00:31):
thing on me, I could overturn row, and then the
other versions, like they got that thing on him, they
could overturn the row, you know. And that's and then
we just go in circles and and and now we're here. Yeah,
and in the meantime, they've readlined us to death. So
like even if when we try to vote them out
and my grand voice is heard, it's become statistically challenging

(01:00:54):
to do so. And look how quickly we saw DHS
beating people up who were protests, people who are pro
abortion out there in l A. I saw the clips
fucking DHS Goon's rolling out and just what the fuck already,
But again, they're showing you what to stay, they're showing
you the steaks already, like when they're okay, so you're

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here for that too. And so that's another thing. Body autonomy,
you know, police violence, that's don't don't think any of
that's gonna change, because you're gonna now we're just saying
we will be met with violence. Even if you're there
to say I'm I'm not even saying you need less
money ful. I'm here to say people deserve body autonomy,
and now you want to fucking rough people up over that. Yeah, alright,

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Well that's been an episode, Joe, Well that's been Sorry.
It is always such a pleasure having you on the show. Yeah,
where can people find you and follow you and hear you?
Yeah for news that is not this but Star Wars
and Comic Base. If you need to enjoy some escapeism,

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come check out Comic Con, Meta Pod wherever you get
your podcasts, and you can follow me all over the
internet at weal when he gets j O E L
E M O and a Q you E. I have
two tweets I want to share. One's a little dark,
one's a little hopeful. So here we go. First, one
comes from Angry Black Lady. That's amount of gandy. She's
a lawyer, she's pretty dope. When she tweeted this on

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the night of May second, when we found out everything,
it's just tonight's aject planic makes it clear that people
aren't ready for what's about to happen. Get ready, get
your affairs in order figure out whether or not you're
willing to break the lot of help a friend get
an abortion, and how far you're willing to go. Response
to that, someone said, get ready nothing in writing, don't
say funk about ship over the phone, don't take take
secrets to the grave. To the grave. We have each

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other's backs. We shut our goddamn mouse. We didn't hear anything.
You don't know anything. You only love people harder than ever,
which I think is a great message and sort of
aspirational to hear. A lot of abortion rights activists who've
been on the ground doing the work for years have
plans and are ready to go. And along those line.
Jennifer Gunter, who goes by doctor Jim Gunter on Twitter,

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who is the vagina doctor, and she is amazing. She
has an incredible podcast. She said, there's something concrete you
can do today to support abortion. Look up your doctor
see if they are a member of the a p
log that is the American Association of Pro Life o
b g y NS. This is a medical hate group
that spreads lies about abortions. If your doctor's listed, try

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to get a doctor who isn't. Look it up if
they took down their logs, But feel free to call
your doctor and just straight up ask them, give the information,
share it with people you know who might go to
that doctor. If we can stop it at least somewhat
at the source. If you can make sure you have doctor,
that's an ally that can go along with helping you
in the future. So some advice. Yeah, Miles, where can

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people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying?
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
of Gray. Also, you know, if you like ninety day Fiance,
check out for twenty Day Fiance. And if you like basketball,
and I know you probably do because the playoffs are
just rumbling and bumbling, check out Matt Boosts Jackie Basketball podcast.

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Yeah jaw jaw Rostafari. Demetrius came, uh, let's just agree
with what you said in a vaguely gairman. Oh I
think I would be yeah, okay, uh yeah Rostafari. So
the first some tweets I like David at Underscore. D
J asked four or five, we're talking about the four
day work week? Tweeted my company just announced moving to

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a four day work week. Let's go dreams you love
the game here that and then another tweet I like
is from a beautiful woman at Tamagotchi No tweeted hung
out with my boyfriend's mom for too long. Was like, damn,
I love this bits We're like literally the same person.

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Then I was like, oh, let's just go watch John Morant.
Let's I guess on Twitter. That's what I been doing
to keep the best put up and again two nights ago. Anyways,

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as well as a song that we think you might

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enjoy miles with song do you think people might have? Today?
We're gonna go out on a track called Guessing Games
with the artist dev Lemon's she's a musician, you know, uh,
host of song Psyche but also you know I've had
a good a K a K miss iPad a K
A d lemmy a K Lord lem Quad and her

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her music is delp. This track, Guessing Games feels like
a you sort of psych pop R and B. The
keys are very like Etherial, the vocals are very cool
and you know, just something a little bit different, familiar
but just slightly tweaked. So this is dev Lemons with
Guessing Games. Alright, Well, go check that out. The Daily
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We are back this afternoon to tell you what is
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